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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

Ian Botham is our new trade envoy to Australia.

What does he know about international trade and negotiating them?

If this is a good idea, do explain why. I'm not sure that it's necessary to explain why it isn't...

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

why not? he is well known in Australia and its an unpaid job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you saying he knows nothing about international trade?

Does the fact that he was a professional sportsman automatically mean he has no other qualities?

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

He was a high-profile brexit supporter.

That's all that is required by the most corrupt, venal and incompetent government in this country's history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He was a high-profile brexit supporter.

That's all that is required by the most corrupt, venal and incompetent government in this country's history. "

Why wouldn't they choose people who supported Brexit?

I mean, you're not exactly gonna choose someone who opposes what you're trying to achieve are you?

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

A government is not supposed to have the specification of a cult.

Even if its own members are terminally useless, the appointment of officials and representatives surely should be made on the basis of appropriate experience and relevant knowledge.

Informed discussion and varying viewpoints have been replaced by slavish obedience to the cult leader and unquestioning loyalty to the project, despite all evidence demonstrating that it continues to visit disaster upon the country.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"A government is not supposed to have the specification of a cult.

Even if its own members are terminally useless, the appointment of officials and representatives surely should be made on the basis of appropriate experience and relevant knowledge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A government is not supposed to have the specification of a cult.

Even if its own members are terminally useless, the appointment of officials and representatives surely should be made on the basis of appropriate experience and relevant knowledge.

I've already asked another poster, but I'll ask you too.

Do you know that Sir Ian Botham has no knowledge of trade?

And again, why wouldn't they choose someone who supports the interests of the project?

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"A government is not supposed to have the specification of a cult.

Even if its own members are terminally useless, the appointment of officials and representatives surely should be made on the basis of appropriate experience and relevant knowledge.

I've already asked another poster, but I'll ask you too.

Do you know that Sir Ian Botham has no knowledge of trade?

And again, why wouldn't they choose someone who supports the interests of the project?

There is no evidence, that I am aware of, to suggest that former sportsman, media pundit and controversialist Botham has any relevant experience. If you know any different, perhaps you would like to enlighten us?

Knowledge, relevant experience and ability? Oh, sorry, I forgot; not important to the brexit cult leaders

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"Are you saying he knows nothing about international trade?

Does the fact that he was a professional sportsman automatically mean he has no other qualities?"

Ian Botham is a winegrower in Australia.

He knows about exporting wine to the UK.

He also has a financial interest.

Does that work for you?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

He has a huge profile in Australia, what does Eric Cantona know about making beer or Johnny Depp about aftershave lol they still make good poster boys, enhance the brand.... brand UK.

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

In his own words on his appointment to the Lords.

He said: “I’m enjoying it and will be at Westminster more often when we get back to normal, especially when they are debating something I know about – like sport or the countryside. Not much point if it’s a trade deal with Japan.”

Fortunately there is no hint of a conflict of interest as an exporter of Australian wine...

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"In his own words on his appointment to the Lords.

Fortunately there is no hint of a conflict of interest as an exporter of Australian wine..."
Do you not understand what a trade envoy does either?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you saying he knows nothing about international trade?

Does the fact that he was a professional sportsman automatically mean he has no other qualities?

Ian Botham is a winegrower in Australia.

He knows about exporting wine to the UK.

He also has a financial interest.

Does that work for you?

So he does know something about trade between the UK and Australia?

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Prince Andrew was trade envoy to US which means he can claim diplomatic immunity regarding the Virginia Guthrie case.

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"In his own words on his appointment to the Lords.

Fortunately there is no hint of a conflict of interest as an exporter of Australian wine...Do you not understand what a trade envoy does either?"

Sure. They "sell" UK exports.

That is as detailed as the role is. The point is that he does not, actually, have any knowledge of what that entails as he said himself.

Is a conflict of interests an issue or not?

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"Are you saying he knows nothing about international trade?

Does the fact that he was a professional sportsman automatically mean he has no other qualities?

Ian Botham is a winegrower in Australia.

He knows about exporting wine to the UK.

He also has a financial interest.

Does that work for you?

So he does know something about trade between the UK and Australia?"

I know "something" about trade between the UK and Australia but no conflict of interest.

Might it be better to have someone who knows a lot about trade between the UK and Australia and the wider region as our trade envoy?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Are you saying he knows nothing about international trade?

Does the fact that he was a professional sportsman automatically mean he has no other qualities?

Ian Botham is a winegrower in Australia.

He knows about exporting wine to the UK.

He also has a financial interest.

Does that work for you?

So he does know something about trade between the UK and Australia?

I know "something" about trade between the UK and Australia but no conflict of interest.

Might it be better to have someone who knows a lot about trade between the UK and Australia and the wider region as our trade envoy?"
Do you know what a trade envoy does it doesn't seem so by your comments.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

as some people havent got a dictionary...

envoy... a messenger or representative, especially one on a diplomatic mission.

He isnt actually selling anything, he is just waving the flag. Not literally lol but he might do

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"as some people havent got a dictionary...

envoy... a messenger or representative, especially one on a diplomatic mission.

He isnt actually selling anything, he is just waving the flag. Not literally lol but he might do

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Exactly they use their influence or popularity to open doors for uk businesses nothing more but that seems lost on some.

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"as some people havent got a dictionary...

envoy... a messenger or representative, especially one on a diplomatic mission.

He isnt actually selling anything, he is just waving the flag. Not literally lol but he might do

Exactly they use their influence or popularity to open doors for uk businesses nothing more but that seems lost on some. "

Right. UK Parliamentarians. Influence or popularity you say? Sure

Lord Botham appointed to Australia

Baroness Hoey appointed to Ghana

Stephen Timms MP appointed to Switzerland and Liechtenstein

David Mundell MP appointed to New Zealand

Mark Eastwood MP appointed to Pakistan

Marco Longhi MP appointed to Brazil

Conor Burns MP appointed to Canada

Lord Walney [John Woodcock] appointed to Tanzania

Felicity Buchan MP appointed to Iceland and Norway

Sir Jeffrey Donaldson MP appointed to Cameroon, in addition to his role as Prime Minister’s Trade Envoy to Egypt

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

Better for someone to fully understand UK trade and industry as a trade envoy or not?

Better for them to have a conflict of interests or not?

We could go with yes/no as answers. We could

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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N/A

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"No

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N/A"
Thanks beat me to it.

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"No

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N/AThanks beat me to it.

So it would be worse for a trade envoy to know about trade.

Javing an export business in the country in which you are an envoy to is not a conflict of interest.

It's o e view of recruitment policy

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"No

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N/AThanks beat me to it.

So it would be worse for a trade envoy to know about trade.

Javing an export business in the country in which you are an envoy to is not a conflict of interest.

It's o e view of recruitment policy

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As i have said several times now i dont think you have a clue what a trade envoy does.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"No

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N/AThanks beat me to it.

So it would be worse for a trade envoy to know about trade.

Javing an export business in the country in which you are an envoy to is not a conflict of interest.

It's o e view of recruitment policy

would it be better if footballers understood the physical forces applied to a football? Yes it would but does it really matter? Not really lol

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

Would it be better for swimmers to understand the molecular make up of water?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

Would it be better for people who eat chocolate to go on a calorie counting course first?

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By *mateur100Man
over a year ago

nr faversham

"He was a high-profile brexit supporter.

That's all that is required by the most corrupt, venal and incompetent government in this country's history. "

I assume you are a supporter of the honest as the day is long labour party

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"No

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N/AThanks beat me to it.

So it would be worse for a trade envoy to know about trade.

Javing an export business in the country in which you are an envoy to is not a conflict of interest.

It's o e view of recruitment policy

As i have said several times now i dont think you have a clue what a trade envoy does. "

It's diplomacy and sales.

I've provided a list of the other trade envoys.

How doesord Botham fit in with that list?

Do any of them have financial interests in those countries?

Is it a good thing or a bad thing if they do?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"No

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N/AThanks beat me to it.

So it would be worse for a trade envoy to know about trade.

Javing an export business in the country in which you are an envoy to is not a conflict of interest.

It's o e view of recruitment policy

would it be better if footballers understood the physical forces applied to a football? Yes it would but does it really matter? Not really lol

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"Would it be better for people who eat chocolate to go on a calorie counting course first?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

Have I any connection to a chocolate producing country?

Do I own a shop, supermarket or have shares in one?

Does anyone know the answer to these questions? Tune in next week, for another tedious episode of SOAP

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"No

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N/AThanks beat me to it.

So it would be worse for a trade envoy to know about trade.

Javing an export business in the country in which you are an envoy to is not a conflict of interest.

It's o e view of recruitment policy

would it be better if footballers understood the physical forces applied to a football? Yes it would but does it really matter? Not really lol

Liking your own posts? Good arguments

The spammer returns.

I'll leave you to howl at the moon

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

If Botham was really interested in international trade for the UK then surely he should have campaigned for the UK to remain in the EU

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

Have to say that this is one of the funniest threads I have read on these boards

The attempts by some to slot every detail of everything into every appropriate hole in an appropriate and precise way is just totally inappropriate. Yet the more that they are told this, the more they try to do it.

Pretty soon, some will be asking, nay demanding, that buses wheels all wear in exactly the same way. Then blame, or vilify, some civil authority if they don't.

We live in the time of the minutia of everything and of nothing.

The Sun is shining, stop looking for rain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No

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N/AThanks beat me to it.

So it would be worse for a trade envoy to know about trade.

Javing an export business in the country in which you are an envoy to is not a conflict of interest.

It's o e view of recruitment policy

As i have said several times now i dont think you have a clue what a trade envoy does. "

Can you explain what you think a trade envoy does

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"No

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N/AThanks beat me to it.

So it would be worse for a trade envoy to know about trade.

Javing an export business in the country in which you are an envoy to is not a conflict of interest.

It's o e view of recruitment policy

As i have said several times now i dont think you have a clue what a trade envoy does.

Can you explain what you think a trade envoy does "
I already have in an earlier thread.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

Settle this one finally . . .

Trade envoys

Trade envoys are a network of PM appointed parliamentarians, drawn from across the political spectrum.

The trade envoys engage with one or more emerging markets where substantial trade and investment opportunities have been identified by UK government.

They support the drive for economic growth by building on the UK’s existing relations with these markets and maximising bilateral trade, thereby generating real and long term benefits for the UK.

The Trade Envoy programme began in 2012 and continues to go from strength to strength.

There are 36 trade envoys covering 76 markets.

Maybe now we can wash the wall down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No

and

N/AThanks beat me to it.

So it would be worse for a trade envoy to know about trade.

Javing an export business in the country in which you are an envoy to is not a conflict of interest.

It's o e view of recruitment policy

As i have said several times now i dont think you have a clue what a trade envoy does.

Can you explain what you think a trade envoy does I already have in an earlier thread."

Ah ok, I haven’t read all the thread, what makes Ian Botham a good choice to be a trade envoy, especially as he has insulted the country and isn’t very popular over there ?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"No

and

N/AThanks beat me to it.

So it would be worse for a trade envoy to know about trade.

Javing an export business in the country in which you are an envoy to is not a conflict of interest.

It's o e view of recruitment policy

As i have said several times now i dont think you have a clue what a trade envoy does.

Can you explain what you think a trade envoy does I already have in an earlier thread.

Ah ok, I haven’t read all the thread, what makes Ian Botham a good choice to be a trade envoy, especially as he has insulted the country and isn’t very popular over there ? "
I have no idea? has he insulted the country and not popular? i didnt know that and would guess the person who ask him to do it didnt know either.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"Ian Botham is our new trade envoy to Australia.

What does he know about international trade and negotiating them?

Trade envoys in this category do not negotiate trade deals - they are flag wavers & promoters of trade ideas and investment in emerging markets - usually chosen from their experience in the field as a professional or as a famous celebrity. Celebrities have been paid to promote brands since the 30's. The UK as a sales brand is no different.

With enough interest, support and commitment, there is no reason why Sir Ian can't do a good job.

Go! Sir Ian.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"Ian Botham is our new trade envoy to Australia.

What does he know about international trade and negotiating them?

With enough interest, support and commitment, there is no reason why Sir Ian can't do a good job.

Go! Sir Ian.

yes but he has the nick name beefy and that might alienate vegans, should it be someone with the nickname cucumber... no too phallic? cabbage? no.... pickle lol

GO SIR BEEFY! hip hip hurray, tally ho......

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

Well at least he hasn't got the name 'whinging pom' lol.

Maybe he should be Boaty Mc Botham?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No

and

N/AThanks beat me to it.

So it would be worse for a trade envoy to know about trade.

Javing an export business in the country in which you are an envoy to is not a conflict of interest.

It's o e view of recruitment policy

As i have said several times now i dont think you have a clue what a trade envoy does.

Can you explain what you think a trade envoy does I already have in an earlier thread.

Ah ok, I haven’t read all the thread, what makes Ian Botham a good choice to be a trade envoy, especially as he has insulted the country and isn’t very popular over there ? I have no idea? has he insulted the country and not popular? i didnt know that and would guess the person who ask him to do it didnt know either.

He once stated that Australians are big and empty, just like their country . I like Ian Botham , his charity work is amazing

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"Well at least he hasn't got the name 'whinging pom' lol.

Maybe he should be Boaty Mc Botham?

yes lets go to the lowest common denominator every time.... it seems more and more of the population need mc nuggets....mc news... and a bus where all the tyres wear at the same rate to show true equality between said tyres and why are all tyres black! How can that be right! lol jeez everywhere i look i see injustice!

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"Well at least he hasn't got the name 'whinging pom' lol.

Maybe he should be Boaty Mc Botham?

Yup. If some had their way, it would be the Mao one-size-fits-all-suit for everyone.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"No

and

N/AThanks beat me to it.

So it would be worse for a trade envoy to know about trade.

Javing an export business in the country in which you are an envoy to is not a conflict of interest.

It's o e view of recruitment policy

As i have said several times now i dont think you have a clue what a trade envoy does.

Can you explain what you think a trade envoy does I already have in an earlier thread.

He once stated that Australians are big and empty, just like their country . I like Ian Botham , his charity work is amazing

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Right would this be when he was playing cricket by any chance? yeah i can now see why he isnt very popular over there now.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

Right would this be when he was playing cricket by any chance? yeah i can now see why he isnt very popular over there now.

Ozzies love Trash talk just like any other sporting nation. Unless they have suddenly become offended by it,

I really don't think that he has a problem.

Go! Sir Ian. Fly the Flag.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Right would this be when he was playing cricket by any chance? yeah i can now see why he isnt very popular over there now.

Ozzies love Trash talk just like any other sporting nation. Unless they have suddenly become offended by it,

I really don't think that he has a problem.

Go! Sir Ian. Fly the Flag."
almost imposdible to offen an ozzie lol

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