FabSwingers.com forum: Will Afghanistan sink Biden?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Will this end with him getting forced out?

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By *unnyPairCouple
over a year ago

Seminole

He is pathetic. Not compared to anyone else...just pathetic. Was pathetic as a VP, has a pathetic family, a pathetic view of minorities, a pathetic view of working class, a pathetic view of the military he is commander in chief of and is manipulated at every turn because he deep down knows he is pathetic and their ideas must be better than his. No mean tweets though.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Will this end with him getting forced out?"

Why should it?

It was Trump, not Biden who negotiated the US withdrawal with the Taliban.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

The US administration calculated a 90 day period for the Taliban to take power.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Nope i would guess that most Americans are glad they are out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is an utter humiliation for the US and UK but it was Captain Bonespurs who started the withdrawal, not Biden. It just shows how utterly pathetic the right are to attack Biden for implementing their plan.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

It was a NATO operation, not just the US and UK!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was a NATO operation, not just the US and UK!"

Where did the majority of troops come from?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"It was a NATO operation, not just the US and UK!

Where did the majority of troops come from?"

Several countries had more troops than the UK.

The US had the biggest number, some 3500 at the start of the year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was a NATO operation, not just the US and UK!

Where did the majority of troops come from?

Several countries had more troops than the UK.

The US had the biggest number, some 3500 at the start of the year. "

Then it's a humiliation for them too, and a tragedy for the Afghan people we promised so much to.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"He is pathetic. Not compared to anyone else...just pathetic. Was pathetic as a VP, has a pathetic family, a pathetic view of minorities, a pathetic view of working class, a pathetic view of the military he is commander in chief of and is manipulated at every turn because he deep down knows he is pathetic and their ideas must be better than his. No mean tweets though. "

Not a fan then

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"Will this end with him getting forced out?"

No - but after mid-term elections, it's likely to make him a lame duck and it'll bugger his chances for a 2nd term (if he ever had any).

It's interesting to note - like it or not - that the Taliban have (effectively) taken control of the whole of Afghanistan with minimal bloodshed; something the USA/UK and their allies were never able to do.

Why? Well, because the Taliban, fucking awful as they undoubtedly are, were not resisted.

The uncomfortable truth is that most Afghans would rather be alive, under a shit government, than die resisting it; particularly the men, for whom it won't be anywhere near as bad.

The Afghans, of course, are not unique in preferring life, no matter how low in quality, to being dead.

The mantra "Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees" is bullshit a lot easier to spout - especially for the 99% of us with no military training - than it is to live up to.

The Taliban are shite. That they are in power without a civil war and huge bloodshed is good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The pictures this morning of sky full of choppers was very reminiscent of the mad scramble out of Saigon at the end of the Vietnam debacle.

An embarrassing shambles for the US, and by association, for the UK too....

Utterly shameless!!

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By *rickydicky718Man
over a year ago

cleckheaton

Between Trump and Biden they have put all the afghan people in danger. I worked out there for 4 years and made alot of friends. We had afghan people working with us and now they and their whole families are in danger of persecution and death. I hope to hod NATO Get to grips with this before genocide starts.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

"It was a NATO operation, not just the US and UK!"

Yep, and sure Putin, Jinping and Lukashenko are laughing thier bollox off today, shaking in thier boots of the mighty Alliance.

NATO has again proven to be ineffective, disorganised bunch of clowns only capable of destruction of countries.

We are going to pay a very heavy price from Afghanistan itself along the loss of respect for an organisation that can only fight within itself..

I thought Iran, Ireland, Lebanon and the Cold War of the 80s were bad times. Another periah state siding up to Russia and China, "mission accomplished" using the words if an ex US president.

Vietnam, Iraq, Syria and now Afghanistan, how many more countries will they turn inside out and walk away for it to implode into oblivion..

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Will this end with him getting forced out?"

No… he is enacting a trump policy decision…..

The whole timetable was ludicrous… telling the opposition exactly when you were going to leave was not the wisest decision

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By *unnyPairCouple
over a year ago

Seminole

Just like we disclosed our Iraq withdrawal.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Biden is a ridiculous president but he'll probably ride it out

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By *unnyPairCouple
over a year ago

Seminole

Just loving CNN covering Biden’s failures.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

It was piss poor policy to begin with… that you can point the finger at the trump administration…

It is piss poor execution of piss poor policy… that you can point the finger at the Biden administration…

Neither side of the aisle looks good coming out of this… there are no points to be scored here

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By *harisajidanWoman
over a year ago

london

No. Biden made the right decision, just bad execution.

And this piss poor decision and debacle/disaster lies with the Bush administration.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

Trump did begin this saga but Biden had the power to either overturn the decision or at least modify the plans. He is commander in chief at the time it was implemented. No idea how the American public will view this other than being glad its nearly over. The responsibility is Biden's alone

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Trump did begin this saga but Biden had the power to either overturn the decision or at least modify the plans. He is commander in chief at the time it was implemented. No idea how the American public will view this other than being glad its nearly over. The responsibility is Biden's alone"

Yes and no…..

Trump agreed to it at Doha, trump actually sped up the leaving process between his election defeat and bidens inauguration… trump put in some of his own people at the DOD to slow down any Biden changes…

But yes.. if you are going to give Biden credits for the vaccine rollout the you have to criticise him for this execution of policy….

It’s not like we didn’t see this coming… the US left the Kurds high and dry so why did we expect this to be different!

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

Yes and no…..

But yes.. if you are going to give Biden credits for the vaccine rollout the you have to criticise him for this execution of policy….

It’s not like we didn’t see this coming… the US left the Kurds high and dry so why did we expect this to be different! "

Yep that's why I mentioned trump started the saga and if he had still been in power I doubt the situation would be any different. I know exceptionally little about American politics and presidential power's but would be surprised if a new president did not have the power to overturn or change a policy that is flawed. Either way as always the military are left to try and make the best of a bad situation

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Those poor people. Regression in the name of progression.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looks like the USA Got rid of the most pathetic lying piece of crap TRUMP and from what I see Biden is doing a better job. Pathetic indeed that they ever had an excuse for a human being in power namely DONALD TRUMP

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

“It’s hard to believe this has to be said, but unlike this president, I’ll do my job and take responsibility, I won’t blame others.”

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I don't think the situation will get Biden the boot immediately. He's obviously damaged by it, though. (Yes I know Trump started and agreed the withrawal, but Biden was in the hot seat when this whole thing went down.)

But I also think it could get much worse for him if there are some v public atrocities by the taliban.

It's the people of the country you've gotta feel really sorry for. 20 years as a warzone. Then they just got thrown to the wolves.

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By *ermite12ukMan
over a year ago

Solihull and Brentwood

I would say, no matter what Biden did. It would be wrong in the eyes of Trumps core supporters:

If he left the troops in place and one soldier suffered an injury. The righties would be shaking their fists saying that if Biden had got the soldiers out when they were supposed to. Then everything would have been ok.

So he's got the troops out. As per Trumps plan and the righties are still unhappy.

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By *awgItMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

This withdrawal will age well, just like the one out of Saigon. Krystal and Saagar just had a very good segment about it. After $trillion spent on securing the country while training the Afgan military, they didn't even try to resist the taliban insurgence. There's no amount of years, dollars and lives that can be spent further to improve the situation, so why postponing it?

True, the withdrawal was terribly botched but still necessary. Maybe 10 years too late even

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

It's difficult for this to go too badly for Biden.

Very few of the West's public want a continued presence in Afghanistan. It's difficult for those who opposed the the invasion (broadly the left) or those who supported a withdrawal (broadly the right) to complain. Although they will give it a go in the short term.

This time around I suspect that the Taliban will keep a tight lid on terrorist exports so that they can make money from exporting opium and minerals.

Horrible situation for anyone wishing to educate themselves or better their country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was a NATO operation, not just the US and UK!"

It was declared an illegal war by the UN

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Something I haven't seen mentioned yet. This might be a Suez moment for the USA. Especially with China waiting in the wings.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"Between Trump and Biden they have put all the afghan people in danger. I worked out there for 4 years and made alot of friends. We had afghan people working with us and now they and their whole families are in danger of persecution and death. I hope to hod NATO Get to grips with this before genocide starts."

Nothing to do with a Bunch of looney religious nuts rampaging the country then!

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"It's difficult for this to go too badly for Biden.

This time around I suspect that the Taliban will keep a tight lid on terrorist exports so that they can make money from exporting opium and minerals.

Horrible situation for anyone wishing to educate themselves or better their country."
make money ?so it’s not really about religion it’s just plain old money ?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

The Leader of the Taliban has already had high level talks with China, some weeks ago.

Its in the Chinese interests to ally themselves in Afghanistan. There are trillions of dollars of minerals ready to be mined, and many millions of dollars of opium to destabilise the West.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"The Leader of the Taliban has already had high level talks with China, some weeks ago.

Its in the Chinese interests to ally themselves in Afghanistan. There are trillions of dollars of minerals ready to be mined, and many millions of dollars of opium to destabilise the West. "

….. and having the ability to control supply of oil and gas pipelines running through the country.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"It's difficult for this to go too badly for Biden.

This time around I suspect that the Taliban will keep a tight lid on terrorist exports so that they can make money from exporting opium and minerals.

Horrible situation for anyone wishing to educate themselves or better their country.make money ?so it’s not really about religion it’s just plain old money ?"

Always.

Religion is often a justification to impose control and retain power. "God said".

You can see that the world over throughout history.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"The Leader of the Taliban has already had high level talks with China, some weeks ago.

Its in the Chinese interests to ally themselves in Afghanistan. There are trillions of dollars of minerals ready to be mined, and many millions of dollars of opium to destabilise the West.

….. and having the ability to control supply of oil and gas pipelines running through the country."

In a decarbonising world?

You're thiking short term like our politicians and corporations.

Where's the lithium and other rare earth's? What are they used for?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"The Leader of the Taliban has already had high level talks with China, some weeks ago.

Its in the Chinese interests to ally themselves in Afghanistan. There are trillions of dollars of minerals ready to be mined, and many millions of dollars of opium to destabilise the West. "

China is not Russia. They want a stable West to buy their stuff.

They just don't want anyone to interfere with the internal control of their population. That describes a world of horrors of course.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

Nothing to do with a Bunch of looney religious nuts rampaging the country then!

it was the same over here in the 1920s, women were for raising kids/house work and the men went out to work and down pub afterwards and no one invaded us to tell us any different!

Men over here should get a grip and put us bitches back in our place! Posts like mine happen if you let the girls read and write! its against the rules of nature!!!!

Is any of that bidens fault or trumps, no, but biden could have organised it all better, dont think he expected the afghan government to just roll over!

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

At the moment it looks like Afghanistan is more likely to sink BoJo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He was shut our of the intelligence briefings by the Trump administration during transition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will this end with him getting forced out?

No - but after mid-term elections, it's likely to make him a lame duck and it'll bugger his chances for a 2nd term (if he ever had any).

Why? Well, because the Taliban, fucking awful as they undoubtedly are, were not resisted.

The uncomfortable truth is that most Afghans would rather be alive, under a shit government, than die resisting it; particularly the men, for whom it won't be anywhere near as bad.

The Afghans, of course, are not unique in preferring life, no matter how low in quality, to being dead.

The mantra "Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees" is bullshit a lot easier to spout - especially for the 99% of us with no military training - than it is to live up to.

The Taliban are shite. That they are in power without a civil war and huge bloodshed is good."

I think you underestimate the people of that land. The majority want the Taliban, and at the very least if you disagree with that acknowledge they would rather the Taliban than US and British armed forces.

People forget, since Alexander the great people have tried to conquer that land with bigger armies and better military technology, yet no one has succeeded. So although they may not want the Taliban, they prefer them over anyone else, because at least they are Afghan

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Will this end with him getting forced out?

No - but after mid-term elections, it's likely to make him a lame duck and it'll bugger his chances for a 2nd term (if he ever had any).

Why? Well, because the Taliban, fucking awful as they undoubtedly are, were not resisted.

The uncomfortable truth is that most Afghans would rather be alive, under a shit government, than die resisting it; particularly the men, for whom it won't be anywhere near as bad.

The Afghans, of course, are not unique in preferring life, no matter how low in quality, to being dead.

The mantra "Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees" is bullshit a lot easier to spout - especially for the 99% of us with no military training - than it is to live up to.

The Taliban are shite. That they are in power without a civil war and huge bloodshed is good.

Strange post. You seemed to contradict yourself in record time.

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By *igNick1381Man
over a year ago

BRIDGEND

"Will this end with him getting forced out?

Why should it?

It was Trump, not Biden who negotiated the US withdrawal with the Taliban."

There's nothing wrong with pulling out of Afghanistan, the policy is sound

It's the execution, which is all Bidens responsibility, that's the problem

But nah, you just stick with 'orange man bad'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will this end with him getting forced out?

Why should it?

It was Trump, not Biden who negotiated the US withdrawal with the Taliban.

There's nothing wrong with pulling out of Afghanistan, the policy is sound

It's the execution, which is all Bidens responsibility, that's the problem

But nah, you just stick with 'orange man bad'"

the withdrawal has been terrible!,

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"Will this end with him getting forced out?

Why should it?

It was Trump, not Biden who negotiated the US withdrawal with the Taliban.

There's nothing wrong with pulling out of Afghanistan, the policy is sound

It's the execution, which is all Bidens responsibility, that's the problem

But nah, you just stick with 'orange man bad'

the withdrawal has been terrible!, "

I think they didn't expect the taliban to take control in a day! That there would be more time..... clearly it didn't play out..

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I think the American people should look very carefully at how Biden is handling this. His conferences are a car crash. He is often incoherent and seems confused. After what they have been through the previous four years they need some leadership they can trust in.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"Will this end with him getting forced out?

Why should it?

It was Trump, not Biden who negotiated the US withdrawal with the Taliban.

There's nothing wrong with pulling out of Afghanistan, the policy is sound

It's the execution, which is all Bidens responsibility, that's the problem

But nah, you just stick with 'orange man bad'

the withdrawal has been terrible!,

I think they didn't expect the taliban to take control in a day! That there would be more time..... clearly it didn't play out.."

Because of the corruption in that country most if not all of the governors of the individual provinces had probably already come to a deal with the Taliban to just roll over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will this end with him getting forced out?

Why should it?

It was Trump, not Biden who negotiated the US withdrawal with the Taliban.

There's nothing wrong with pulling out of Afghanistan, the policy is sound

It's the execution, which is all Bidens responsibility, that's the problem

But nah, you just stick with 'orange man bad'

the withdrawal has been terrible!,

I think they didn't expect the taliban to take control in a day! That there would be more time..... clearly it didn't play out.."

I think this is a huge miscalculation and one which suggests that the US (and others) hadn't a good idea of what was going on before making decisions.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"Will this end with him getting forced out?

Why should it?

It was Trump, not Biden who negotiated the US withdrawal with the Taliban.

There's nothing wrong with pulling out of Afghanistan, the policy is sound

It's the execution, which is all Bidens responsibility, that's the problem

But nah, you just stick with 'orange man bad'

the withdrawal has been terrible!,

I think they didn't expect the taliban to take control in a day! That there would be more time..... clearly it didn't play out..

I think this is a huge miscalculation and one which suggests that the US (and others) hadn't a good idea of what was going on before making decisions. "

well the miscalculation was at the start 20 years ago, when they thought training and arming afghans would stop taliban, you can see the sense in that decision if you ignore many afghans are taliban!

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech

"I think the American people should look very carefully at how Biden is handling this. His conferences are a car crash. He is often incoherent and seems confused. After what they have been through the previous four years they need some leadership they can trust in. "

He looks to me as if he is suffering with some form of dementia, I think this is also why he doesn't do Q and A at the end of statements, his people only want him to read from the autocue and seem to want him off stage ASAP all the while, sad to see really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will this end with him getting forced out?

Why should it?

It was Trump, not Biden who negotiated the US withdrawal with the Taliban.

There's nothing wrong with pulling out of Afghanistan, the policy is sound

It's the execution, which is all Bidens responsibility, that's the problem

But nah, you just stick with 'orange man bad'

the withdrawal has been terrible!,

I think they didn't expect the taliban to take control in a day! That there would be more time..... clearly it didn't play out..

I think this is a huge miscalculation and one which suggests that the US (and others) hadn't a good idea of what was going on before making decisions.

well the miscalculation was at the start 20 years ago, when they thought training and arming afghans would stop taliban, you can see the sense in that decision if you ignore many afghans are taliban!"

Plus all the other failed invasions

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By *trideMan
over a year ago

Plymouth

It may depend upon whether or not the Taliban resume international terrorism attacks before Biden’s term is up.

I wonder how many of the refugees are terrorist infiltrators. Have the lunatic politicians thought of this?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Apparently his approval rating has dropped 9 points this week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depending on how much worse the evacuation gets and if American media covers it.

Interested to know how blairs comments are taken in America regarding the "imbecilic" comments

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"It may depend upon whether or not the Taliban resume international terrorism attacks before Biden’s term is up.

I wonder how many of the refugees are terrorist infiltrators. Have the lunatic politicians thought of this?

i know, scary!

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It was a NATO operation, not just the US and UK!"

That is not true. The Trump administration did it all, from getting the Taliban leader released frim a Pakistan jail to running down their troops numbers; ON THEIR OWN. They did not consult with anyone.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It may depend upon whether or not the Taliban resume international terrorism attacks before Biden’s term is up.

I wonder how many of the refugees are terrorist infiltrators. Have the lunatic politicians thought of this?

So what should they do about it? Keep them all out?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Interesting episode of The Briefing Room putting this in the context of US foreign policy as a whole rather than a single event:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000yv0h

The final outcome dependent on "events" I guess...

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By *trideMan
over a year ago

Plymouth

"It may depend upon whether or not the Taliban resume international terrorism attacks before Biden’s term is up.

I wonder how many of the refugees are terrorist infiltrators. Have the lunatic politicians thought of this?

So what should they do about it? Keep them all out? "

Yes, of course.

Like they should have kept the Covid carriers out.

It isn't rocket science!

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Will this end with him getting forced out?"

Doubt it but won't do him much good either. Just seen a clip of him at a media briefing type thing and it turns out he does not take questions from the press. One tried to ask and he said he is not supposed to take questions. He did allow the question but it was on Afghanistan to which he slapped the desk and walked off with no answer. That sort of thing will not do any good either

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"Interesting episode of The Briefing Room putting this in the context of US foreign policy as a whole rather than a single event:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000yv0h

The final outcome dependent on "events" I guess..."

Indeed. Although, just maybe - if Churchill was right about them - the Americans are about to do the right thing?

Only kidding - they haven't actually tried everything else yet.

I'd be unsurprised if we get a lot of "That didn't work; why don't we do it again?"

They're slow learners when it comes to foreign policy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently his approval rating has dropped 9 points this week. "