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"Whilst I realise the subject line does have some musical rhythm about it, Is this too little, too late Or is it "I told ya so" Or is it, "let them fight for their own resolution" It's months since JB started to pull US troops out of Afghani. Over the last week or two, the Tellyban have trounced into most cities / counties. Eventually, when the capital city is being threatened, Boris pops out of his lair and a Cobra meeting is announced. For me, this suggests that Boris is no more of a Cobra snake than a grass snake. IN fact, in my opinion he is nothing more than a snake in the grass." I don't think much of boris, or the way Biden just pissed off out. The afghans needed more time to be ready for taking over, yes 20 years is a long time but think they were getting there. They even had an air force in the making, but now left without adequate support. We should have been there in a supportive capacity and at much less cost. Its a disaster! The government say Britain leads the way but we don't, | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. " Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. " No great surprise to anyone other than the experts | |||
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"Whilst I realise the subject line does have some musical rhythm about it, Is this too little, too late Or is it "I told ya so" Or is it, "let them fight for their own resolution" It's months since JB started to pull US troops out of Afghani. Over the last week or two, the Tellyban have trounced into most cities / counties. Eventually, when the capital city is being threatened, Boris pops out of his lair and a Cobra meeting is announced. For me, this suggests that Boris is no more of a Cobra snake than a grass snake. IN fact, in my opinion he is nothing more than a snake in the grass." I don't think that the UK has any influence on the situation. I don't know if we were even consulted about the withdrawal. Informed, I expect. The meeting and recall of Parliament is window dressing. | |||
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"Looks like Afghanistan likes the taliban, they didn't have to fight, just strolled in...... now the game has changed. Are there civilians or is it a terrorist state? Just asking. " Alternatively, they don't want to be killed. That could be an option, couldn't it? | |||
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"Looks like Afghanistan likes the taliban, they didn't have to fight, just strolled in...... now the game has changed. Are there civilians or is it a terrorist state? Just asking. Alternatively, they don't want to be killed. That could be an option, couldn't it?" Yrs, they're sick of endless war., that's all they've had | |||
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"Looks like Afghanistan likes the taliban, they didn't have to fight, just strolled in...... now the game has changed. Are there civilians or is it a terrorist state? Just asking. Alternatively, they don't want to be killed. That could be an option, couldn't it? Yrs, they're sick of endless war., that's all they've had " Why is that? Seriously? Seems there's a 50 50 split, hence endless argument via war, now non taliban have fled, others agree in general terms or don't really disagree enough to make a stand, like ex labour voters! It's their country and now they have it, hurray, or should the west empire builders step in? Looks like that's a no. | |||
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"Looks like Afghanistan likes the taliban, they didn't have to fight, just strolled in...... now the game has changed. Are there civilians or is it a terrorist state? Just asking. Alternatively, they don't want to be killed. That could be an option, couldn't it? Yrs, they're sick of endless war., that's all they've had Why is that? Seriously? Seems there's a 50 50 split, hence endless argument via war, now non taliban have fled, others agree in general terms or don't really disagree enough to make a stand, like ex labour voters! It's their country and now they have it, hurray, or should the west empire builders step in? Looks like that's a no. " 1. I disagree with invading 2, after commiting into war shouldn't have just fucked off like that but mainly number one. I agrew with you, afghan is their country, their saying was "you have the watches but we have the time" | |||
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"Looks like Afghanistan likes the taliban, they didn't have to fight, just strolled in...... now the game has changed. Are there civilians or is it a terrorist state? Just asking. Alternatively, they don't want to be killed. That could be an option, couldn't it? Yrs, they're sick of endless war., that's all they've had Why is that? Seriously? Seems there's a 50 50 split, hence endless argument via war, now non taliban have fled, others agree in general terms or don't really disagree enough to make a stand, like ex labour voters! It's their country and now they have it, hurray, or should the west empire builders step in? Looks like that's a no. 1. I disagree with invading 2, after commiting into war shouldn't have just fucked off like that but mainly number one. I agrew with you, afghan is their country, their saying was "you have the watches but we have the time" " I think he was a taliban man.. Hehe bet he was | |||
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"Looks like Afghanistan likes the taliban, they didn't have to fight, just strolled in...... now the game has changed. Are there civilians or is it a terrorist state? Just asking. Alternatively, they don't want to be killed. That could be an option, couldn't it? Yrs, they're sick of endless war., that's all they've had Why is that? Seriously? Seems there's a 50 50 split, hence endless argument via war, now non taliban have fled, others agree in general terms or don't really disagree enough to make a stand, like ex labour voters! It's their country and now they have it, hurray, or should the west empire builders step in? Looks like that's a no. " Oh i agree, taliban just as bad as Saudi Arabia but no one criticises them! Oh no! The tories kiss their arses | |||
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" It's their country and now they have it, hurray, or should the west empire builders step in? Looks like that's a no. " Yep, no lucrative contracts getting dished out to the tory pie scoffing tory donor building companies ! Boo hoo, haha  | |||
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"Looks like Afghanistan likes the taliban, they didn't have to fight, just strolled in...... now the game has changed. Are there civilians or is it a terrorist state? Just asking. Alternatively, they don't want to be killed. That could be an option, couldn't it?" Well, in Western society, most of us don't want to be killed. However, in Islamist culture, being killed can be martyrdom. So maybe they DO want to be killed? | |||
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"Johnson attends COBRA meeting , must have finnished writing his book and be unable to find a donor to stump up for an exotic holiday" Isn't this the true purpose of the new Royal Yacht Britannia? We live in a world where even Jim Davison owns a yacht. Where is Boris on this radar? | |||
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"Shouldn't have been there to start with. Period. " Wasn't it Tony Blair's Labour government that decided to send British troops there or was he only Iraq | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us." They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? " Yep, the americans wanted the afghan army to fight the taliban but obviously they didn't on the whole as there was a special group who would be killed anyway so fought the taliban to the death... chilling | |||
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"Looks like Afghanistan likes the taliban, they didn't have to fight, just strolled in...... now the game has changed. Are there civilians or is it a terrorist state? Just asking. Alternatively, they don't want to be killed. That could be an option, couldn't it? Yrs, they're sick of endless war., that's all they've had Why is that? Seriously? Seems there's a 50 50 split, hence endless argument via war, now non taliban have fled, others agree in general terms or don't really disagree enough to make a stand, like ex labour voters! It's their country and now they have it, hurray, or should the west empire builders step in? Looks like that's a no. " Labour voters don't risk death. Usually. It was a fairly coherent point otherwise. The problem is for all those peoe, especially women, had a view of freedom and something better. If people flee this country in fear, I assume that they will not be welcome here unless they worked for us directly, at a stretch. | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? " Alternatively, they have no faith in their leaders? The ones who left as soon as it got a little warm. The ones who were corrupt to the core. Perhaps they were leaving to be with their families because they don't trust anyone else to? I'm not going to judge them on that. I'm not there facing it. You can call them cowards if you wish. | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? Alternatively, they have no faith in their leaders? The ones who left as soon as it got a little warm. The ones who were corrupt to the core. Perhaps they were leaving to be with their families because they don't trust anyone else to? I'm not going to judge them on that. I'm not there facing it. You can call them cowards if you wish." no one said they were cowards, youve used that word, why? lol the question asked was why should the west do it for them? as for people in this country facing death, fuck britain was one of the most deadly places on the planet history wise lol mass hangings for eating a rabbit! most western countries have gone through a process of growth.... where some countries havent! | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? Alternatively, they have no faith in their leaders? The ones who left as soon as it got a little warm. The ones who were corrupt to the core. Perhaps they were leaving to be with their families because they don't trust anyone else to? I'm not going to judge them on that. I'm not there facing it. You can call them cowards if you wish. no one said they were cowards, youve used that word, why? lol the question asked was why should the west do it for them? as for people in this country facing death, fuck britain was one of the most deadly places on the planet history wise lol mass hangings for eating a rabbit! most western countries have gone through a process of growth.... where some countries havent! " I wasn't replying to you. I used the word "coward" because that was the implication of the phrase "but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen". If the poster wants to explain that statement they can. "lol" all you wish. Labour supporters don't usually face death in modern times though, do they. Are you implying that some people are incapable of "growth"? What are the circumstances that lead to that? Lack of stability, poor education and living conditions? Could a reason for that be continual conflict in the area in which they lived through external as much as internal influence? Is that worth a "lol" too? | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? Alternatively, they have no faith in their leaders? The ones who left as soon as it got a little warm. The ones who were corrupt to the core. Perhaps they were leaving to be with their families because they don't trust anyone else to? I'm not going to judge them on that. I'm not there facing it. You can call them cowards if you wish. no one said they were cowards, youve used that word, why? lol the question asked was why should the west do it for them? as for people in this country facing death, fuck britain was one of the most deadly places on the planet history wise lol mass hangings for eating a rabbit! most western countries have gone through a process of growth.... where some countries havent! I wasn't replying to you. I used the word "coward" because that was the implication of the phrase "but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen". If the poster wants to explain that statement they can. "lol" all you wish. Labour supporters don't usually face death in modern times though, do they. Are you implying that some people are incapable of "growth"? What are the circumstances that lead to that? Lack of stability, poor education and living conditions? Could a reason for that be continual conflict in the area in which they lived through external as much as internal influence? Is that worth a "lol" too?" Islam is 500 years behind the curve when it comes to "growth". Muslim countries are stuck in the 7th century with 21st century tech. In europe we only just worked out basic democracy late in the 1920s and our genersl behaviour in the west of europe remained pretty bad until the 1950s... with the koran in charge it will be hundreds more years before the secular revolution breaks through for the middle east and north africa. | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? Alternatively, they have no faith in their leaders? The ones who left as soon as it got a little warm. The ones who were corrupt to the core. Perhaps they were leaving to be with their families because they don't trust anyone else to? I'm not going to judge them on that. I'm not there facing it. You can call them cowards if you wish. no one said they were cowards, youve used that word, why? lol the question asked was why should the west do it for them? as for people in this country facing death, fuck britain was one of the most deadly places on the planet history wise lol mass hangings for eating a rabbit! most western countries have gone through a process of growth.... where some countries havent! I wasn't replying to you. I used the word "coward" because that was the implication of the phrase "but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen". If the poster wants to explain that statement they can. "lol" all you wish. Labour supporters don't usually face death in modern times though, do they. Are you implying that some people are incapable of "growth"? What are the circumstances that lead to that? Lack of stability, poor education and living conditions? Could a reason for that be continual conflict in the area in which they lived through external as much as internal influence? Is that worth a "lol" too? Islam is 500 years behind the curve when it comes to "growth". Muslim countries are stuck in the 7th century with 21st century tech. In europe we only just worked out basic democracy late in the 1920s and our genersl behaviour in the west of europe remained pretty bad until the 1950s... with the koran in charge it will be hundreds more years before the secular revolution breaks through for the middle east and north africa." Really? Has that always been the case? Perhaps a little reading about where a lot of mathematics and medicine and philosophy was evolving whilst Europe was in the dark ages. All societies face reversals either from within or without. There is no more of a problem with Islam than there is with Christianity or Judaism or Hinduism. It is purely a religion's use for power za nd control by people that causes a problem. Were the secular "religion s" of Nazism, nationalism or Communism any better for their peoe or their neighbours? | |||
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"Shouldn't have been there to start with. Period." Indeed. You could even argue that if the USA hadn't been so keen to fuck the Soviet Union up by supplying arms to the mujahideen, and just let them get on with it; the World Trade Center might still be standing. I guess they just wanted payback for all those communists defeating them in Vietnam. | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? Alternatively, they have no faith in their leaders? The ones who left as soon as it got a little warm. The ones who were corrupt to the core. Perhaps they were leaving to be with their families because they don't trust anyone else to? I'm not going to judge them on that. I'm not there facing it. You can call them cowards if you wish. no one said they were cowards, youve used that word, why? lol the question asked was why should the west do it for them? as for people in this country facing death, fuck britain was one of the most deadly places on the planet history wise lol mass hangings for eating a rabbit! most western countries have gone through a process of growth.... where some countries havent! I wasn't replying to you. I used the word "coward" because that was the implication of the phrase "but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen". If the poster wants to explain that statement they can. "lol" all you wish. Labour supporters don't usually face death in modern times though, do they. Are you implying that some people are incapable of "growth"? What are the circumstances that lead to that? Lack of stability, poor education and living conditions? Could a reason for that be continual conflict in the area in which they lived through external as much as internal influence? Is that worth a "lol" too?" Yes i can explain that, they have taken the pay the training and the equipment and are nowhere to be seen what is not true about that? You join the forces to serve your country and to protect your people and when the time comes you have to stand up and be counted otherwise dont join up in the first place.These people were not conscripted they signed up for it and when it counted let their country ,people and families down big time.I see no reason why estern troops should lose anymore lives for people who are not prepared to help themselves. | |||
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"Have you considered it’s probably all related to getting British nationals out of the country as a matter of priority and may, just may be laudable; but obviously not in you’re narrow minded and bigoted view hey?" Could you explain why my view is bigoted ? | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? " Well going by the last few weeks and days they werent given the right training and tools to defend their country. I am not saying the west should never have left Afghanistan but if you cant see the turmoil and chaos the country has been left in by the way they have gone about leaving Ill say no more on the matter. | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? Well going by the last few weeks and days they werent given the right training and tools to defend their country. I am not saying the west should never have left Afghanistan but if you cant see the turmoil and chaos the country has been left in by the way they have gone about leaving Ill say no more on the matter. " The fact that many of the Afghan army, police and security forces hadn't been paid for months, were fighting a force that doesn't respect the rules of war, and had leaders deep into corruption, probably took all the fight out of them. | |||
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"Its pretty obvious after all this time that its impossible to get a country that has been tribal since the year dot to become westernized with a functioning gov and a rule of law. Get out as soon as possible training an afghan army has been a total waste of time and i guess the people training them knew this from the start. The tribal warlords will fight it out amongst themselves once we are out just as they have done for centuries. "  | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? Alternatively, they have no faith in their leaders? The ones who left as soon as it got a little warm. The ones who were corrupt to the core. Perhaps they were leaving to be with their families because they don't trust anyone else to? I'm not going to judge them on that. I'm not there facing it. You can call them cowards if you wish. no one said they were cowards, youve used that word, why? lol the question asked was why should the west do it for them? as for people in this country facing death, fuck britain was one of the most deadly places on the planet history wise lol mass hangings for eating a rabbit! most western countries have gone through a process of growth.... where some countries havent! I wasn't replying to you. I used the word "coward" because that was the implication of the phrase "but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen". If the poster wants to explain that statement they can. "lol" all you wish. Labour supporters don't usually face death in modern times though, do they. Are you implying that some people are incapable of "growth"? What are the circumstances that lead to that? Lack of stability, poor education and living conditions? Could a reason for that be continual conflict in the area in which they lived through external as much as internal influence? Is that worth a "lol" too?" its a forum, you dont have to be replying to me, if you want a private chat, private message? the labour comment was reference all countries have political splits! its just in afghanistan its along the lines.. women cant have an education lol and yes, clearly after 1000s of years some countries are still saying no books for you.... so no they havent progressed along side the rest of the world... how else can you see it? looks like they like living that way... i wouldnt want to, i mean no trans rights! Heeeelllllooooooo. | |||
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"Cobra meeting for what exactly, no real point when the withdrawal is now on the Talibans terms. Boris missed the boat again. From the sound of it, it all seems that a lot of assurances were made behind the scenes some weeks ago. Despite the current chaos, it is going to reduce life loss than a full out seige and fight for Kabul. " I think it was all sorted out in Doha and anyone who needed to know knew what was going to happen. | |||
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"Shouldn't have been there to start with. Period. Indeed. You could even argue that if the USA hadn't been so keen to fuck the Soviet Union up by supplying arms to the mujahideen, and just let them get on with it; the World Trade Center might still be standing. I guess they just wanted payback for all those communists defeating them in Vietnam." Russia did exactly the same thing in Vietnam. They gave the Vietcong and NVA IGLA's to take out American Helicopters and fast jets same as thee CIA arming the Mujahideen with Stingers to take out mainly MI-24 Hinds | |||
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"I think it was all sorted out in Doha and anyone who needed to know knew what was going to happen." I think that as well. The yanks knew full well what would happen, as did the British. What i think they didn't think about was the speed it would happen. The simple fact is most of the Afghan army were only in the army because it gave them a job and an income. They were not there because of a feeling of national pride, or serving their country. I know that and certainly any military minded person knows that as well. It wouldn't have mattered even if we had given and trained them in the use of high value aircraft.............they would have run away rather than fight. It boils down to a complete non understanding of a society that isn't actually a cohesive society at all. It's even now medieval at best, tribal at the very least. | |||
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"Diane Abbot has come out and said her thoughts are with the Afghan people who wont now be able to watch Eastenders and love island due to the telly ban. " | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. " Trump actually wanted out by May 1st, Biden slowed it down a little. Trump also made a "deal" with the Taliban unilaterally and without any government input (Taliban didn't want government in negotiations). What was the actual deal that was made? Let us leave without being shot at and we'll give you the country? The guy would be willing to sell anyone out or kick em under a bus. Biden rang a lot of truths the other night, if Afghanistan was so close to standing on its own two feet, then why did it only take 3 weeks to snatch it back? Even Russia managed at least 2 years. At first the news was shocking, but reality being it was inevitable. The country has never lay on solid foundations and constantly dogged by tribal wars. It is not and never could be a country with a central government and the West should never have tried to impose it. Our only hope for the people of Afghanistan is that they can live under Taliban as unless another Bim Laden pops up, we ain't ever again going to get involved which is where the rhetoric is in that they know what would happen to not allow again. Keeping thier heads down will avoid drawing attention from the West and allow them to be free to do as they wish with the population. We stood back on Syria now this needs to play out and as always, innocent people will die. This appears to be a civil war we have to step back and watch run its coarse or hope it can work out. How many more US, UK and NATO lives needed to be thrown into it, how much more money.. 300,000 soldiers again 80,000 Taliban. The government walked, the soldiers vanished. Next time we should avoid nation building and just deal with the issue at hand. | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? Alternatively, they have no faith in their leaders? The ones who left as soon as it got a little warm. The ones who were corrupt to the core. Perhaps they were leaving to be with their families because they don't trust anyone else to? I'm not going to judge them on that. I'm not there facing it. You can call them cowards if you wish. no one said they were cowards, youve used that word, why? lol the question asked was why should the west do it for them? as for people in this country facing death, fuck britain was one of the most deadly places on the planet history wise lol mass hangings for eating a rabbit! most western countries have gone through a process of growth.... where some countries havent! I wasn't replying to you. I used the word "coward" because that was the implication of the phrase "but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen". If the poster wants to explain that statement they can. "lol" all you wish. Labour supporters don't usually face death in modern times though, do they. Are you implying that some people are incapable of "growth"? What are the circumstances that lead to that? Lack of stability, poor education and living conditions? Could a reason for that be continual conflict in the area in which they lived through external as much as internal influence? Is that worth a "lol" too?Yes i can explain that, they have taken the pay the training and the equipment and are nowhere to be seen what is not true about that? You join the forces to serve your country and to protect your people and when the time comes you have to stand up and be counted otherwise dont join up in the first place.These people were not conscripted they signed up for it and when it counted let their country ,people and families down big time.I see no reason why estern troops should lose anymore lives for people who are not prepared to help themselves." It's all to do with religion. Most of the Afgan army were from the same religious group as the Taliban. | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. Trump actually wanted out by May 1st, Biden slowed it down a little. Trump also made a "deal" with the Taliban unilaterally and without any government input (Taliban didn't want government in negotiations). What was the actual deal that was made? Let us leave without being shot at and we'll give you the country? The guy would be willing to sell anyone out or kick em under a bus. Biden rang a lot of truths the other night, if Afghanistan was so close to standing on its own two feet, then why did it only take 3 weeks to snatch it back? Even Russia managed at least 2 years. At first the news was shocking, but reality being it was inevitable. The country has never lay on solid foundations and constantly dogged by tribal wars. It is not and never could be a country with a central government and the West should never have tried to impose it. Our only hope for the people of Afghanistan is that they can live under Taliban as unless another Bim Laden pops up, we ain't ever again going to get involved which is where the rhetoric is in that they know what would happen to not allow again. Keeping thier heads down will avoid drawing attention from the West and allow them to be free to do as they wish with the population. We stood back on Syria now this needs to play out and as always, innocent people will die. This appears to be a civil war we have to step back and watch run its coarse or hope it can work out. How many more US, UK and NATO lives needed to be thrown into it, how much more money.. 300,000 soldiers again 80,000 Taliban. The government walked, the soldiers vanished. Next time we should avoid nation building and just deal with the issue at hand. " afaik Trumps agreement stipulated that the Taliban could not seize power once the US left. I really cant see him allowing what happened tbh especially as he had shown he doesnt fuck around with the drone strike on the Iranian General.Plus on the flip side it could be said that the Taliban was given 3 more months to prepare by Biden. I think will also find that alot of the Taliban command where released from Gitmo in prisoner transfers during the Obama Administration. Which Biden was also a part of. We/US should of left. The mission was never to nation build. But the way it has been done is absolutely abysmal. You have no one to blame other than the Biden Administration tbh. | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. Trump actually wanted out by May 1st, Biden slowed it down a little. Trump also made a "deal" with the Taliban unilaterally and without any government input (Taliban didn't want government in negotiations). What was the actual deal that was made? Let us leave without being shot at and we'll give you the country? The guy would be willing to sell anyone out or kick em under a bus. Biden rang a lot of truths the other night, if Afghanistan was so close to standing on its own two feet, then why did it only take 3 weeks to snatch it back? Even Russia managed at least 2 years. At first the news was shocking, but reality being it was inevitable. The country has never lay on solid foundations and constantly dogged by tribal wars. It is not and never could be a country with a central government and the West should never have tried to impose it. Our only hope for the people of Afghanistan is that they can live under Taliban as unless another Bim Laden pops up, we ain't ever again going to get involved which is where the rhetoric is in that they know what would happen to not allow again. Keeping thier heads down will avoid drawing attention from the West and allow them to be free to do as they wish with the population. We stood back on Syria now this needs to play out and as always, innocent people will die. This appears to be a civil war we have to step back and watch run its coarse or hope it can work out. How many more US, UK and NATO lives needed to be thrown into it, how much more money.. 300,000 soldiers again 80,000 Taliban. The government walked, the soldiers vanished. Next time we should avoid nation building and just deal with the issue at hand. afaik Trumps agreement stipulated that the Taliban could not seize power once the US left. I really cant see him allowing what happened tbh especially as he had shown he doesnt fuck around with the drone strike on the Iranian General.Plus on the flip side it could be said that the Taliban was given 3 more months to prepare by Biden. I think will also find that alot of the Taliban command where released from Gitmo in prisoner transfers during the Obama Administration. Which Biden was also a part of. We/US should of left. The mission was never to nation build. But the way it has been done is absolutely abysmal. You have no one to blame other than the Biden Administration tbh. " We have ourselves to blame too. Its far from over yet, a second wave of refugees has been reported, on top of 20,000 afghans being taken in. That's on top of those desperate enough to come over the channel in ill equipped boats. We spent enough on bombing civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, dropping indiscriminate moabs snd daisy cutters, its about time the money was spent on welfare for people here and abroad | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. Trump actually wanted out by May 1st, Biden slowed it down a little. Trump also made a "deal" with the Taliban unilaterally and without any government input (Taliban didn't want government in negotiations). What was the actual deal that was made? Let us leave without being shot at and we'll give you the country? The guy would be willing to sell anyone out or kick em under a bus. Biden rang a lot of truths the other night, if Afghanistan was so close to standing on its own two feet, then why did it only take 3 weeks to snatch it back? Even Russia managed at least 2 years. At first the news was shocking, but reality being it was inevitable. The country has never lay on solid foundations and constantly dogged by tribal wars. It is not and never could be a country with a central government and the West should never have tried to impose it. Our only hope for the people of Afghanistan is that they can live under Taliban as unless another Bim Laden pops up, we ain't ever again going to get involved which is where the rhetoric is in that they know what would happen to not allow again. Keeping thier heads down will avoid drawing attention from the West and allow them to be free to do as they wish with the population. We stood back on Syria now this needs to play out and as always, innocent people will die. This appears to be a civil war we have to step back and watch run its coarse or hope it can work out. How many more US, UK and NATO lives needed to be thrown into it, how much more money.. 300,000 soldiers again 80,000 Taliban. The government walked, the soldiers vanished. Next time we should avoid nation building and just deal with the issue at hand. afaik Trumps agreement stipulated that the Taliban could not seize power once the US left. I really cant see him allowing what happened tbh especially as he had shown he doesnt fuck around with the drone strike on the Iranian General.Plus on the flip side it could be said that the Taliban was given 3 more months to prepare by Biden. I think will also find that alot of the Taliban command where released from Gitmo in prisoner transfers during the Obama Administration. Which Biden was also a part of. We/US should of left. The mission was never to nation build. But the way it has been done is absolutely abysmal. You have no one to blame other than the Biden Administration tbh. We have ourselves to blame too. Its far from over yet, a second wave of refugees has been reported, on top of 20,000 afghans being taken in. That's on top of those desperate enough to come over the channel in ill equipped boats. We spent enough on bombing civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, dropping indiscriminate moabs snd daisy cutters, its about time the money was spent on welfare for people here and abroad " I can tell you now MOAB's are not used indiscriminately, seeing as only one was ever used in Afghanistan and was used to destroy an ISIS cave complex near the Pakistan border. Do you even know what a "Daisy Cutter" is. Its not a bomb but a type of fuse | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. Trump actually wanted out by May 1st, Biden slowed it down a little. Trump also made a "deal" with the Taliban unilaterally and without any government input (Taliban didn't want government in negotiations). What was the actual deal that was made? Let us leave without being shot at and we'll give you the country? The guy would be willing to sell anyone out or kick em under a bus. Biden rang a lot of truths the other night, if Afghanistan was so close to standing on its own two feet, then why did it only take 3 weeks to snatch it back? Even Russia managed at least 2 years. At first the news was shocking, but reality being it was inevitable. The country has never lay on solid foundations and constantly dogged by tribal wars. It is not and never could be a country with a central government and the West should never have tried to impose it. Our only hope for the people of Afghanistan is that they can live under Taliban as unless another Bim Laden pops up, we ain't ever again going to get involved which is where the rhetoric is in that they know what would happen to not allow again. Keeping thier heads down will avoid drawing attention from the West and allow them to be free to do as they wish with the population. We stood back on Syria now this needs to play out and as always, innocent people will die. This appears to be a civil war we have to step back and watch run its coarse or hope it can work out. How many more US, UK and NATO lives needed to be thrown into it, how much more money.. 300,000 soldiers again 80,000 Taliban. The government walked, the soldiers vanished. Next time we should avoid nation building and just deal with the issue at hand. afaik Trumps agreement stipulated that the Taliban could not seize power once the US left. I really cant see him allowing what happened tbh especially as he had shown he doesnt fuck around with the drone strike on the Iranian General.Plus on the flip side it could be said that the Taliban was given 3 more months to prepare by Biden. I think will also find that alot of the Taliban command where released from Gitmo in prisoner transfers during the Obama Administration. Which Biden was also a part of. We/US should of left. The mission was never to nation build. But the way it has been done is absolutely abysmal. You have no one to blame other than the Biden Administration tbh. We have ourselves to blame too. Its far from over yet, a second wave of refugees has been reported, on top of 20,000 afghans being taken in. That's on top of those desperate enough to come over the channel in ill equipped boats. We spent enough on bombing civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, dropping indiscriminate moabs snd daisy cutters, its about time the money was spent on welfare for people here and abroad " And those refugees should be vetted extremely well. Refugee doesnt = good, worked for the coalition doesnt = good either. Being a terp also doesnt mean you are good and deserve to be alllowed into this country. There are many cases of interpreter giving information to the Taliban and ISIS so they know where to place IED's and AT/AP mines. No one who served with the AA or Afghan Police trusted them as far as they could throw them | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. Trump actually wanted out by May 1st, Biden slowed it down a little. Trump also made a "deal" with the Taliban unilaterally and without any government input (Taliban didn't want government in negotiations). What was the actual deal that was made? Let us leave without being shot at and we'll give you the country? The guy would be willing to sell anyone out or kick em under a bus. Biden rang a lot of truths the other night, if Afghanistan was so close to standing on its own two feet, then why did it only take 3 weeks to snatch it back? Even Russia managed at least 2 years. At first the news was shocking, but reality being it was inevitable. The country has never lay on solid foundations and constantly dogged by tribal wars. It is not and never could be a country with a central government and the West should never have tried to impose it. Our only hope for the people of Afghanistan is that they can live under Taliban as unless another Bim Laden pops up, we ain't ever again going to get involved which is where the rhetoric is in that they know what would happen to not allow again. Keeping thier heads down will avoid drawing attention from the West and allow them to be free to do as they wish with the population. We stood back on Syria now this needs to play out and as always, innocent people will die. This appears to be a civil war we have to step back and watch run its coarse or hope it can work out. How many more US, UK and NATO lives needed to be thrown into it, how much more money.. 300,000 soldiers again 80,000 Taliban. The government walked, the soldiers vanished. Next time we should avoid nation building and just deal with the issue at hand. afaik Trumps agreement stipulated that the Taliban could not seize power once the US left. I really cant see him allowing what happened tbh especially as he had shown he doesnt fuck around with the drone strike on the Iranian General.Plus on the flip side it could be said that the Taliban was given 3 more months to prepare by Biden. I think will also find that alot of the Taliban command where released from Gitmo in prisoner transfers during the Obama Administration. Which Biden was also a part of. We/US should of left. The mission was never to nation build. But the way it has been done is absolutely abysmal. You have no one to blame other than the Biden Administration tbh. We have ourselves to blame too. Its far from over yet, a second wave of refugees has been reported, on top of 20,000 afghans being taken in. That's on top of those desperate enough to come over the channel in ill equipped boats. We spent enough on bombing civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, dropping indiscriminate moabs snd daisy cutters, its about time the money was spent on welfare for people here and abroad I can tell you now MOAB's are not used indiscriminately, seeing as only one was ever used in Afghanistan and was used to destroy an ISIS cave complex near the Pakistan border. Do you even know what a "Daisy Cutter" is. Its not a bomb but a type of fuse " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-82 Moab is a precise weapon that only kills bad guys eh? Lol its indiscriminate by its size, But enough of you trying to argue on technicalities, those ordinance kills people indiscriminately , including some poor baskets getting in the way, Even the afghan president complained about the moab dropped on his country | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. Trump actually wanted out by May 1st, Biden slowed it down a little. Trump also made a "deal" with the Taliban unilaterally and without any government input (Taliban didn't want government in negotiations). What was the actual deal that was made? Let us leave without being shot at and we'll give you the country? The guy would be willing to sell anyone out or kick em under a bus. Biden rang a lot of truths the other night, if Afghanistan was so close to standing on its own two feet, then why did it only take 3 weeks to snatch it back? Even Russia managed at least 2 years. At first the news was shocking, but reality being it was inevitable. The country has never lay on solid foundations and constantly dogged by tribal wars. It is not and never could be a country with a central government and the West should never have tried to impose it. Our only hope for the people of Afghanistan is that they can live under Taliban as unless another Bim Laden pops up, we ain't ever again going to get involved which is where the rhetoric is in that they know what would happen to not allow again. Keeping thier heads down will avoid drawing attention from the West and allow them to be free to do as they wish with the population. We stood back on Syria now this needs to play out and as always, innocent people will die. This appears to be a civil war we have to step back and watch run its coarse or hope it can work out. How many more US, UK and NATO lives needed to be thrown into it, how much more money.. 300,000 soldiers again 80,000 Taliban. The government walked, the soldiers vanished. Next time we should avoid nation building and just deal with the issue at hand. afaik Trumps agreement stipulated that the Taliban could not seize power once the US left. I really cant see him allowing what happened tbh especially as he had shown he doesnt fuck around with the drone strike on the Iranian General.Plus on the flip side it could be said that the Taliban was given 3 more months to prepare by Biden. I think will also find that alot of the Taliban command where released from Gitmo in prisoner transfers during the Obama Administration. Which Biden was also a part of. We/US should of left. The mission was never to nation build. But the way it has been done is absolutely abysmal. You have no one to blame other than the Biden Administration tbh. We have ourselves to blame too. Its far from over yet, a second wave of refugees has been reported, on top of 20,000 afghans being taken in. That's on top of those desperate enough to come over the channel in ill equipped boats. We spent enough on bombing civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, dropping indiscriminate moabs snd daisy cutters, its about time the money was spent on welfare for people here and abroad I can tell you now MOAB's are not used indiscriminately, seeing as only one was ever used in Afghanistan and was used to destroy an ISIS cave complex near the Pakistan border. Do you even know what a "Daisy Cutter" is. Its not a bomb but a type of fuse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-82 Moab is a precise weapon that only kills bad guys eh? Lol its indiscriminate by its size, But enough of you trying to argue on technicalities, those ordinance kills people indiscriminately , including some poor baskets getting in the way, Even the afghan president complained about the moab dropped on his country " They also havnt been used for nearly 15 years.... even then they where mostly used for clearing Taliban cave networks. Would you rather infantry had gone in a cleared them? That would of been a bloodbath of epic proportions You will probably find that more Arrghan civillians havee been killed by old russian mines (They dropped tiny mines that looked like toys so kids had a habit of picking them up PFM-1's) and Taliban IED's than have ever been killed accidently by airstrikes overall | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. Trump actually wanted out by May 1st, Biden slowed it down a little. Trump also made a "deal" with the Taliban unilaterally and without any government input (Taliban didn't want government in negotiations). What was the actual deal that was made? Let us leave without being shot at and we'll give you the country? The guy would be willing to sell anyone out or kick em under a bus. Biden rang a lot of truths the other night, if Afghanistan was so close to standing on its own two feet, then why did it only take 3 weeks to snatch it back? Even Russia managed at least 2 years. At first the news was shocking, but reality being it was inevitable. The country has never lay on solid foundations and constantly dogged by tribal wars. It is not and never could be a country with a central government and the West should never have tried to impose it. Our only hope for the people of Afghanistan is that they can live under Taliban as unless another Bim Laden pops up, we ain't ever again going to get involved which is where the rhetoric is in that they know what would happen to not allow again. Keeping thier heads down will avoid drawing attention from the West and allow them to be free to do as they wish with the population. We stood back on Syria now this needs to play out and as always, innocent people will die. This appears to be a civil war we have to step back and watch run its coarse or hope it can work out. How many more US, UK and NATO lives needed to be thrown into it, how much more money.. 300,000 soldiers again 80,000 Taliban. The government walked, the soldiers vanished. Next time we should avoid nation building and just deal with the issue at hand. afaik Trumps agreement stipulated that the Taliban could not seize power once the US left. I really cant see him allowing what happened tbh especially as he had shown he doesnt fuck around with the drone strike on the Iranian General.Plus on the flip side it could be said that the Taliban was given 3 more months to prepare by Biden. I think will also find that alot of the Taliban command where released from Gitmo in prisoner transfers during the Obama Administration. Which Biden was also a part of. We/US should of left. The mission was never to nation build. But the way it has been done is absolutely abysmal. You have no one to blame other than the Biden Administration tbh. We have ourselves to blame too. Its far from over yet, a second wave of refugees has been reported, on top of 20,000 afghans being taken in. That's on top of those desperate enough to come over the channel in ill equipped boats. We spent enough on bombing civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, dropping indiscriminate moabs snd daisy cutters, its about time the money was spent on welfare for people here and abroad I can tell you now MOAB's are not used indiscriminately, seeing as only one was ever used in Afghanistan and was used to destroy an ISIS cave complex near the Pakistan border. Do you even know what a "Daisy Cutter" is. Its not a bomb but a type of fuse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-82 Moab is a precise weapon that only kills bad guys eh? Lol its indiscriminate by its size, But enough of you trying to argue on technicalities, those ordinance kills people indiscriminately , including some poor baskets getting in the way, Even the afghan president complained about the moab dropped on his country " Is this the same president who jump into a helicopter with a load of cash and left his people to get slaughtered and is now living 5 star in another country? | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. Trump actually wanted out by May 1st, Biden slowed it down a little. Trump also made a "deal" with the Taliban unilaterally and without any government input (Taliban didn't want government in negotiations). What was the actual deal that was made? Let us leave without being shot at and we'll give you the country? The guy would be willing to sell anyone out or kick em under a bus. Biden rang a lot of truths the other night, if Afghanistan was so close to standing on its own two feet, then why did it only take 3 weeks to snatch it back? Even Russia managed at least 2 years. At first the news was shocking, but reality being it was inevitable. The country has never lay on solid foundations and constantly dogged by tribal wars. It is not and never could be a country with a central government and the West should never have tried to impose it. Our only hope for the people of Afghanistan is that they can live under Taliban as unless another Bim Laden pops up, we ain't ever again going to get involved which is where the rhetoric is in that they know what would happen to not allow again. Keeping thier heads down will avoid drawing attention from the West and allow them to be free to do as they wish with the population. We stood back on Syria now this needs to play out and as always, innocent people will die. This appears to be a civil war we have to step back and watch run its coarse or hope it can work out. How many more US, UK and NATO lives needed to be thrown into it, how much more money.. 300,000 soldiers again 80,000 Taliban. The government walked, the soldiers vanished. Next time we should avoid nation building and just deal with the issue at hand. afaik Trumps agreement stipulated that the Taliban could not seize power once the US left. I really cant see him allowing what happened tbh especially as he had shown he doesnt fuck around with the drone strike on the Iranian General.Plus on the flip side it could be said that the Taliban was given 3 more months to prepare by Biden. I think will also find that alot of the Taliban command where released from Gitmo in prisoner transfers during the Obama Administration. Which Biden was also a part of. We/US should of left. The mission was never to nation build. But the way it has been done is absolutely abysmal. You have no one to blame other than the Biden Administration tbh. We have ourselves to blame too. Its far from over yet, a second wave of refugees has been reported, on top of 20,000 afghans being taken in. That's on top of those desperate enough to come over the channel in ill equipped boats. We spent enough on bombing civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, dropping indiscriminate moabs snd daisy cutters, its about time the money was spent on welfare for people here and abroad I can tell you now MOAB's are not used indiscriminately, seeing as only one was ever used in Afghanistan and was used to destroy an ISIS cave complex near the Pakistan border. Do you even know what a "Daisy Cutter" is. Its not a bomb but a type of fuse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-82 Moab is a precise weapon that only kills bad guys eh? Lol its indiscriminate by its size, But enough of you trying to argue on technicalities, those ordinance kills people indiscriminately , including some poor baskets getting in the way, Even the afghan president complained about the moab dropped on his country Is this the same president who jump into a helicopter with a load of cash and left his people to get slaughtered and is now living 5 star in another country? " No. President karzai, most likely another one with dollars hanging out his pockrts probably | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. Trump actually wanted out by May 1st, Biden slowed it down a little. Trump also made a "deal" with the Taliban unilaterally and without any government input (Taliban didn't want government in negotiations). What was the actual deal that was made? Let us leave without being shot at and we'll give you the country? The guy would be willing to sell anyone out or kick em under a bus. Biden rang a lot of truths the other night, if Afghanistan was so close to standing on its own two feet, then why did it only take 3 weeks to snatch it back? Even Russia managed at least 2 years. At first the news was shocking, but reality being it was inevitable. The country has never lay on solid foundations and constantly dogged by tribal wars. It is not and never could be a country with a central government and the West should never have tried to impose it. Our only hope for the people of Afghanistan is that they can live under Taliban as unless another Bim Laden pops up, we ain't ever again going to get involved which is where the rhetoric is in that they know what would happen to not allow again. Keeping thier heads down will avoid drawing attention from the West and allow them to be free to do as they wish with the population. We stood back on Syria now this needs to play out and as always, innocent people will die. This appears to be a civil war we have to step back and watch run its coarse or hope it can work out. How many more US, UK and NATO lives needed to be thrown into it, how much more money.. 300,000 soldiers again 80,000 Taliban. The government walked, the soldiers vanished. Next time we should avoid nation building and just deal with the issue at hand. afaik Trumps agreement stipulated that the Taliban could not seize power once the US left. I really cant see him allowing what happened tbh especially as he had shown he doesnt fuck around with the drone strike on the Iranian General.Plus on the flip side it could be said that the Taliban was given 3 more months to prepare by Biden. I think will also find that alot of the Taliban command where released from Gitmo in prisoner transfers during the Obama Administration. Which Biden was also a part of. We/US should of left. The mission was never to nation build. But the way it has been done is absolutely abysmal. You have no one to blame other than the Biden Administration tbh. We have ourselves to blame too. Its far from over yet, a second wave of refugees has been reported, on top of 20,000 afghans being taken in. That's on top of those desperate enough to come over the channel in ill equipped boats. We spent enough on bombing civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, dropping indiscriminate moabs snd daisy cutters, its about time the money was spent on welfare for people here and abroad I can tell you now MOAB's are not used indiscriminately, seeing as only one was ever used in Afghanistan and was used to destroy an ISIS cave complex near the Pakistan border. Do you even know what a "Daisy Cutter" is. Its not a bomb but a type of fuse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-82 Moab is a precise weapon that only kills bad guys eh? Lol its indiscriminate by its size, But enough of you trying to argue on technicalities, those ordinance kills people indiscriminately , including some poor baskets getting in the way, Even the afghan president complained about the moab dropped on his country They also havnt been used for nearly 15 years.... even then they where mostly used for clearing Taliban cave networks. Would you rather infantry had gone in a cleared them? That would of been a bloodbath of epic proportions You will probably find that more Arrghan civillians havee been killed by old russian mines (They dropped tiny mines that looked like toys so kids had a habit of picking them up PFM-1's) and Taliban IED's than have ever been killed accidently by airstrikes overall " If American foreign policy wasn't as pathetic as it was (and still is btw) and the uk weren't so blindly subservient to the usa, we wouldn't have taken the path to war either in Afghanistan or in iraq in the first place! | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. Trump actually wanted out by May 1st, Biden slowed it down a little. Trump also made a "deal" with the Taliban unilaterally and without any government input (Taliban didn't want government in negotiations). What was the actual deal that was made? Let us leave without being shot at and we'll give you the country? The guy would be willing to sell anyone out or kick em under a bus. Biden rang a lot of truths the other night, if Afghanistan was so close to standing on its own two feet, then why did it only take 3 weeks to snatch it back? Even Russia managed at least 2 years. At first the news was shocking, but reality being it was inevitable. The country has never lay on solid foundations and constantly dogged by tribal wars. It is not and never could be a country with a central government and the West should never have tried to impose it. Our only hope for the people of Afghanistan is that they can live under Taliban as unless another Bim Laden pops up, we ain't ever again going to get involved which is where the rhetoric is in that they know what would happen to not allow again. Keeping thier heads down will avoid drawing attention from the West and allow them to be free to do as they wish with the population. We stood back on Syria now this needs to play out and as always, innocent people will die. This appears to be a civil war we have to step back and watch run its coarse or hope it can work out. How many more US, UK and NATO lives needed to be thrown into it, how much more money.. 300,000 soldiers again 80,000 Taliban. The government walked, the soldiers vanished. Next time we should avoid nation building and just deal with the issue at hand. afaik Trumps agreement stipulated that the Taliban could not seize power once the US left. I really cant see him allowing what happened tbh especially as he had shown he doesnt fuck around with the drone strike on the Iranian General.Plus on the flip side it could be said that the Taliban was given 3 more months to prepare by Biden. I think will also find that alot of the Taliban command where released from Gitmo in prisoner transfers during the Obama Administration. Which Biden was also a part of. We/US should of left. The mission was never to nation build. But the way it has been done is absolutely abysmal. You have no one to blame other than the Biden Administration tbh. We have ourselves to blame too. Its far from over yet, a second wave of refugees has been reported, on top of 20,000 afghans being taken in. That's on top of those desperate enough to come over the channel in ill equipped boats. We spent enough on bombing civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, dropping indiscriminate moabs snd daisy cutters, its about time the money was spent on welfare for people here and abroad I can tell you now MOAB's are not used indiscriminately, seeing as only one was ever used in Afghanistan and was used to destroy an ISIS cave complex near the Pakistan border. Do you even know what a "Daisy Cutter" is. Its not a bomb but a type of fuse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-82 Moab is a precise weapon that only kills bad guys eh? Lol its indiscriminate by its size, But enough of you trying to argue on technicalities, those ordinance kills people indiscriminately , including some poor baskets getting in the way, Even the afghan president complained about the moab dropped on his country They also havnt been used for nearly 15 years.... even then they where mostly used for clearing Taliban cave networks. Would you rather infantry had gone in a cleared them? That would of been a bloodbath of epic proportions You will probably find that more Arrghan civillians havee been killed by old russian mines (They dropped tiny mines that looked like toys so kids had a habit of picking them up PFM-1's) and Taliban IED's than have ever been killed accidently by airstrikes overall If American foreign policy wasn't as pathetic as it was (and still is btw) and the uk weren't so blindly subservient to the usa, we wouldn't have taken the path to war either in Afghanistan or in iraq in the first place! " So we should of allowed AQ to plan another terrorist attack like the USS Cole bombing and the two terrorist attacks on the WTC? | |||
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"I don't really know why, but trump is being blamed for the Taliban resurging, the weird thing is that when he was in office, the US and the Taliban struck a peace deal. It seems the Taliban have realised they have free run now, the US can't really act against them or this 20 year war continues, which is a bad result for Biden, he either engages and risks a second term with his supporters or he keeps out of it and it will be taken as us weakness when the Russians step in. Trumps deal was to leave. Biden sped up the timetable and the taliban accelerated their takeover. Trump actually wanted out by May 1st, Biden slowed it down a little. Trump also made a "deal" with the Taliban unilaterally and without any government input (Taliban didn't want government in negotiations). What was the actual deal that was made? Let us leave without being shot at and we'll give you the country? The guy would be willing to sell anyone out or kick em under a bus. Biden rang a lot of truths the other night, if Afghanistan was so close to standing on its own two feet, then why did it only take 3 weeks to snatch it back? Even Russia managed at least 2 years. At first the news was shocking, but reality being it was inevitable. The country has never lay on solid foundations and constantly dogged by tribal wars. It is not and never could be a country with a central government and the West should never have tried to impose it. Our only hope for the people of Afghanistan is that they can live under Taliban as unless another Bim Laden pops up, we ain't ever again going to get involved which is where the rhetoric is in that they know what would happen to not allow again. Keeping thier heads down will avoid drawing attention from the West and allow them to be free to do as they wish with the population. We stood back on Syria now this needs to play out and as always, innocent people will die. This appears to be a civil war we have to step back and watch run its coarse or hope it can work out. How many more US, UK and NATO lives needed to be thrown into it, how much more money.. 300,000 soldiers again 80,000 Taliban. The government walked, the soldiers vanished. Next time we should avoid nation building and just deal with the issue at hand. afaik Trumps agreement stipulated that the Taliban could not seize power once the US left. I really cant see him allowing what happened tbh especially as he had shown he doesnt fuck around with the drone strike on the Iranian General.Plus on the flip side it could be said that the Taliban was given 3 more months to prepare by Biden. I think will also find that alot of the Taliban command where released from Gitmo in prisoner transfers during the Obama Administration. Which Biden was also a part of. We/US should of left. The mission was never to nation build. But the way it has been done is absolutely abysmal. You have no one to blame other than the Biden Administration tbh. We have ourselves to blame too. Its far from over yet, a second wave of refugees has been reported, on top of 20,000 afghans being taken in. That's on top of those desperate enough to come over the channel in ill equipped boats. We spent enough on bombing civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, dropping indiscriminate moabs snd daisy cutters, its about time the money was spent on welfare for people here and abroad I can tell you now MOAB's are not used indiscriminately, seeing as only one was ever used in Afghanistan and was used to destroy an ISIS cave complex near the Pakistan border. Do you even know what a "Daisy Cutter" is. Its not a bomb but a type of fuse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-82 Moab is a precise weapon that only kills bad guys eh? Lol its indiscriminate by its size, But enough of you trying to argue on technicalities, those ordinance kills people indiscriminately , including some poor baskets getting in the way, Even the afghan president complained about the moab dropped on his country They also havnt been used for nearly 15 years.... even then they where mostly used for clearing Taliban cave networks. Would you rather infantry had gone in a cleared them? That would of been a bloodbath of epic proportions You will probably find that more Arrghan civillians havee been killed by old russian mines (They dropped tiny mines that looked like toys so kids had a habit of picking them up PFM-1's) and Taliban IED's than have ever been killed accidently by airstrikes overall If American foreign policy wasn't as pathetic as it was (and still is btw) and the uk weren't so blindly subservient to the usa, we wouldn't have taken the path to war either in Afghanistan or in iraq in the first place! " That's true enough. Being an ally is one thing but that does not mean you follow blindly. I believe it was a Labour government that took us into both the WMD Iraq war and Afghanistan | |||
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"Wise politico forummers ... Any suggestions for background breading on this. My understanding of 9/11 was a fall out of the US v Russia Afghan troubles. Can imagine there is even more history before then too ..." Islamic Terrorists attack the USA mostly because they back Israel. Been the root cause since like the 80's | |||
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"Wise politico forummers ... Any suggestions for background breading on this. My understanding of 9/11 was a fall out of the US v Russia Afghan troubles. Can imagine there is even more history before then too ... Islamic Terrorists attack the USA mostly because they back Israel. Been the root cause since like the 80's" The cia and British intelligence toppling democracy in iran, early 1950s | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? Alternatively, they have no faith in their leaders? The ones who left as soon as it got a little warm. The ones who were corrupt to the core. Perhaps they were leaving to be with their families because they don't trust anyone else to? I'm not going to judge them on that. I'm not there facing it. You can call them cowards if you wish. no one said they were cowards, youve used that word, why? lol the question asked was why should the west do it for them? as for people in this country facing death, fuck britain was one of the most deadly places on the planet history wise lol mass hangings for eating a rabbit! most western countries have gone through a process of growth.... where some countries havent! I wasn't replying to you. I used the word "coward" because that was the implication of the phrase "but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen". If the poster wants to explain that statement they can. "lol" all you wish. Labour supporters don't usually face death in modern times though, do they. Are you implying that some people are incapable of "growth"? What are the circumstances that lead to that? Lack of stability, poor education and living conditions? Could a reason for that be continual conflict in the area in which they lived through external as much as internal influence? Is that worth a "lol" too?Yes i can explain that, they have taken the pay the training and the equipment and are nowhere to be seen what is not true about that? You join the forces to serve your country and to protect your people and when the time comes you have to stand up and be counted otherwise dont join up in the first place.These people were not conscripted they signed up for it and when it counted let their country ,people and families down big time.I see no reason why estern troops should lose anymore lives for people who are not prepared to help themselves." I didn't say that it wasn't true. I didn't say that Western troops should remain. 69,000 members of the Afghan security forces have died. Are they cowards? If not, what are you implying? Is it possible that they trusted that they would be supported better by the Western military than their corrupt government? | |||
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"It's all about the west having to sort the world and when they do they are empire building capitalist bastards lol How about Afghanistan helps the USA lol just once, just one little time? Instead of driving round in trucks with guns as if they are in the fucking A team, a popular tv show years ago lol Millions of Americans died fighting the British themselves Germany. ..... coz you want change or you don't!" One of the reasons that they are wealthy enough to tour theworld with lots of guns and bombs is because they did build empires. One of the reasons there are large parts of the world riven by ethnic a tribal conflicts is due to how they left the countries in their empires. Deliberately divided. Of course, it is quite understand what you ha e written. You sound quite angry though. | |||
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"It's all about the west having to sort the world and when they do they are empire building capitalist bastards lol How about Afghanistan helps the USA lol just once, just one little time? Instead of driving round in trucks with guns as if they are in the fucking A team, a popular tv show years ago lol Millions of Americans died fighting the British themselves Germany. ..... coz you want change or you don't! One of the reasons that they are wealthy enough to tour theworld with lots of guns and bombs is because they did build empires. One of the reasons there are large parts of the world riven by ethnic a tribal conflicts is due to how they left the countries in their empires. Deliberately divided. Of course, it is quite understand what you ha e written. You sound quite angry though." You imagine a lot! You made comment about Afghan lives lost, it's Their country! American lives were lost fucking the British Red coats off, lives lost in civil war.... lives lost stopping nazis, countries have to fight for their way of life, Afghanistan isn't, it likes taliban? | |||
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"Cobra meeting for what exactly, no real point when the withdrawal is now on the Talibans terms. Boris missed the boat again. From the sound of it, it all seems that a lot of assurances were made behind the scenes some weeks ago. Despite the current chaos, it is going to reduce life loss than a full out seige and fight for Kabul. I think it was all sorted out in Doha and anyone who needed to know knew what was going to happen." . , Raab probably thought the same while enjoying his holiday | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? Alternatively, they have no faith in their leaders? The ones who left as soon as it got a little warm. The ones who were corrupt to the core. Perhaps they were leaving to be with their families because they don't trust anyone else to? I'm not going to judge them on that. I'm not there facing it. You can call them cowards if you wish. no one said they were cowards, youve used that word, why? lol the question asked was why should the west do it for them? as for people in this country facing death, fuck britain was one of the most deadly places on the planet history wise lol mass hangings for eating a rabbit! most western countries have gone through a process of growth.... where some countries havent! I wasn't replying to you. I used the word "coward" because that was the implication of the phrase "but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen". If the poster wants to explain that statement they can. "lol" all you wish. Labour supporters don't usually face death in modern times though, do they. Are you implying that some people are incapable of "growth"? What are the circumstances that lead to that? Lack of stability, poor education and living conditions? Could a reason for that be continual conflict in the area in which they lived through external as much as internal influence? Is that worth a "lol" too?Yes i can explain that, they have taken the pay the training and the equipment and are nowhere to be seen what is not true about that? You join the forces to serve your country and to protect your people and when the time comes you have to stand up and be counted otherwise dont join up in the first place.These people were not conscripted they signed up for it and when it counted let their country ,people and families down big time.I see no reason why estern troops should lose anymore lives for people who are not prepared to help themselves. I didn't say that it wasn't true. I didn't say that Western troops should remain. 69,000 members of the Afghan security forces have died. Are they cowards? If not, what are you implying? Is it possible that they trusted that they would be supported better by the Western military than their corrupt government?" what is the size difference between the Afghan military and the taliban ? I read Afghan 350 thousand taliban 75thousand I may be wrong tho | |||
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"As I see it it doesnt really matter which presidents fault it is or was , it matters what is happening there now and how a country and its people has been abandoned and left in such a terrible mess. I really dont know how some politicans, including our own can sleep at night. Do they actually believe the excuses and bullshit they keep giving us. They have had 20 years to get their shit together they have had the training and been given the tools to defend the country but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen.If they are not prepared to fight for their families and freedom why should the west do it for them? Alternatively, they have no faith in their leaders? The ones who left as soon as it got a little warm. The ones who were corrupt to the core. Perhaps they were leaving to be with their families because they don't trust anyone else to? I'm not going to judge them on that. I'm not there facing it. You can call them cowards if you wish. no one said they were cowards, youve used that word, why? lol the question asked was why should the west do it for them? as for people in this country facing death, fuck britain was one of the most deadly places on the planet history wise lol mass hangings for eating a rabbit! most western countries have gone through a process of growth.... where some countries havent! I wasn't replying to you. I used the word "coward" because that was the implication of the phrase "but what happens when it comes to it they are nowhere to be seen". If the poster wants to explain that statement they can. "lol" all you wish. Labour supporters don't usually face death in modern times though, do they. Are you implying that some people are incapable of "growth"? What are the circumstances that lead to that? Lack of stability, poor education and living conditions? Could a reason for that be continual conflict in the area in which they lived through external as much as internal influence? Is that worth a "lol" too?Yes i can explain that, they have taken the pay the training and the equipment and are nowhere to be seen what is not true about that? You join the forces to serve your country and to protect your people and when the time comes you have to stand up and be counted otherwise dont join up in the first place.These people were not conscripted they signed up for it and when it counted let their country ,people and families down big time.I see no reason why estern troops should lose anymore lives for people who are not prepared to help themselves. I didn't say that it wasn't true. I didn't say that Western troops should remain. 69,000 members of the Afghan security forces have died. Are they cowards? If not, what are you implying? Is it possible that they trusted that they would be supported better by the Western military than their corrupt government?what is the size difference between the Afghan military and the taliban ? I read Afghan 350 thousand taliban 75thousand I may be wrong tho " How big is Afghanistan and how dispersed were the troops? Were they well supplied? How was their morale? Did they trust their leaders? Are they cowards? Do you have enough information to make a judgement? | |||
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