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"Would you of still voted out of the EU? " so another thread to moan about brexit well done you thinking outside the box lmao | |||
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"I would definitely vote leave now!!" Why is that? | |||
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"I'd always vote on favour of something that removes government and bureaucracy which I felt Brexit did The more minimal we can make government the better " Brexit did the entire opposite of what you wanted, ask anyone business trying to export. | |||
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"I'm gonna make a prediction without reading above. Brexit voters will still say they'd vote for Brexit, despite all the problems it's caused. People rarely want to admit they were conned. And they rarely get angry at those who conned them. Instead, they dig in and insist all is well. And they often get angry at those pointing out they were conned. " So don't point it out. It serves no purpose. We have no choice but to make he best of it. It's only a problem if people claim that things are better when they aren't. Not many people are, only that it hasn't been a disaster,as hollow a victory as that may be. I would vote the same way. The only substantive outcome has been the creation of animosity over a topic where there was none before. | |||
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"I'm gonna make a prediction without reading above. Brexit voters will still say they'd vote for Brexit, despite all the problems it's caused. People rarely want to admit they were conned. And they rarely get angry at those who conned them. Instead, they dig in and insist all is well. And they often get angry at those pointing out they were conned. So don't point it out. It serves no purpose. We have no choice but to make he best of it. It's only a problem if people claim that things are better when they aren't. Not many people are, only that it hasn't been a disaster,as hollow a victory as that may be. I would vote the same way. The only substantive outcome has been the creation of animosity over a topic where there was none before." My oblique point was a 1st step would be Brexit voters being honest with themselves and others. They were flogged an utter lie. Johnson/Gove/Cummings et al are the ones who deserve to be the target of anger over Brexit. They should be booted out of office. (1 down now cummings is out.) It's also hard to solve problems and make the best of it while we have a government that lies routinely, that indulges in large scale corruption, that shows utter disregard for rules and laws, that doesn't seem to care about the lives of its citizens. A government that can't be trusted by other countries or even its own citizens. Again, the best way to move on would be to boot them out. PS people claim Brexit is better than it is all the time. Again it would be easier to move on if we were all just honest about the fact Brexit was sold on a lie. | |||
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"I'm gonna make a prediction without reading above. Brexit voters will still say they'd vote for Brexit, despite all the problems it's caused. People rarely want to admit they were conned. And they rarely get angry at those who conned them. Instead, they dig in and insist all is well. And they often get angry at those pointing out they were conned. So don't point it out. It serves no purpose. We have no choice but to make he best of it. It's only a problem if people claim that things are better when they aren't. Not many people are, only that it hasn't been a disaster,as hollow a victory as that may be. I would vote the same way. The only substantive outcome has been the creation of animosity over a topic where there was none before. My oblique point was a 1st step would be Brexit voters being honest with themselves and others. They were flogged an utter lie. Johnson/Gove/Cummings et al are the ones who deserve to be the target of anger over Brexit. They should be booted out of office. (1 down now cummings is out.) It's also hard to solve problems and make the best of it while we have a government that lies routinely, that indulges in large scale corruption, that shows utter disregard for rules and laws, that doesn't seem to care about the lives of its citizens. A government that can't be trusted by other countries or even its own citizens. Again, the best way to move on would be to boot them out. PS people claim Brexit is better than it is all the time. Again it would be easier to move on if we were all just honest about the fact Brexit was sold on a lie. " Yes I wonder where are the millions of pounds we were supposed to save gone | |||
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"I'm gonna make a prediction without reading above. Brexit voters will still say they'd vote for Brexit, despite all the problems it's caused. People rarely want to admit they were conned. And they rarely get angry at those who conned them. Instead, they dig in and insist all is well. And they often get angry at those pointing out they were conned. So don't point it out. It serves no purpose. We have no choice but to make he best of it. It's only a problem if people claim that things are better when they aren't. Not many people are, only that it hasn't been a disaster,as hollow a victory as that may be. I would vote the same way. The only substantive outcome has been the creation of animosity over a topic where there was none before. My oblique point was a 1st step would be Brexit voters being honest with themselves and others. They were flogged an utter lie. Johnson/Gove/Cummings et al are the ones who deserve to be the target of anger over Brexit. They should be booted out of office. (1 down now cummings is out.) It's also hard to solve problems and make the best of it while we have a government that lies routinely, that indulges in large scale corruption, that shows utter disregard for rules and laws, that doesn't seem to care about the lives of its citizens. A government that can't be trusted by other countries or even its own citizens. Again, the best way to move on would be to boot them out. PS people claim Brexit is better than it is all the time. Again it would be easier to move on if we were all just honest about the fact Brexit was sold on a lie. Yes I wonder where are the millions of pounds we were supposed to save gone " Maybe they were just given to a Tory mate. That sort of thing seems to happen rather a lot. | |||
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"I think that I would vote differently. Both outcomes have many problems but we seem to have created a whole lot more! Which was never the intention. " Brave and honest post Mercury.  | |||
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' would. To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. " "Things are demonstrably worse than they were before Brexit." "Ah yes but I believe we won't see the benefits for 20 years so there is no argument to be had." "Yes but people feel they were lied to and the fisheries and farming industries are being sold down the river." "They need to wait 20 years to realise the benefits." "But most of them will be out of business within a year." "20 years..." | |||
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' would. To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. "Things are demonstrably worse than they were before Brexit." "Ah yes but I believe we won't see the benefits for 20 years so there is no argument to be had." "Yes but people feel they were lied to and the fisheries and farming industries are being sold down the river." "They need to wait 20 years to realise the benefits." "But most of them will be out of business within a year." "20 years..."" Those business that fail are those that never prepared as I pointed out. Probably in trouble pre-brexit anyway. Just have something to hang it on now. I'm not going to enter into the argument, not debate as the only debaters on here are mastur, in agriculture because I have already covered that in other threads. Things aren't demonstrably worse because of Brexit unless you search then out. There are arguments on both sides, both are entrenched I never said it would take 20 years to see the benefits of Brexit. I did say only ill informed people, on both sides expected those benefits would happen overnight. | |||
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' would. To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. "Things are demonstrably worse than they were before Brexit." "Ah yes but I believe we won't see the benefits for 20 years so there is no argument to be had." "Yes but people feel they were lied to and the fisheries and farming industries are being sold down the river." "They need to wait 20 years to realise the benefits." "But most of them will be out of business within a year." "20 years..." Those business that fail are those that never prepared as I pointed out. Probably in trouble pre-brexit anyway. Just have something to hang it on now. I'm not going to enter into the argument, not debate as the only debaters on here are mastur, in agriculture because I have already covered that in other threads. Things aren't demonstrably worse because of Brexit unless you search then out. There are arguments on both sides, both are entrenched I never said it would take 20 years to see the benefits of Brexit. I did say only ill informed people, on both sides expected those benefits would happen overnight. " So you’re saying that fishing businesses are failing not because they were sold down the river by the government but because they believed what they were told and failed to prepare as if they were lied to? And farmers are going to go to the wall not because we are doing trade deals that allow them to be massively undercut by products produced in countries with lower standards but because they failed in some way to prepare for that? | |||
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' would. To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. "Things are demonstrably worse than they were before Brexit." "Ah yes but I believe we won't see the benefits for 20 years so there is no argument to be had." "Yes but people feel they were lied to and the fisheries and farming industries are being sold down the river." "They need to wait 20 years to realise the benefits." "But most of them will be out of business within a year." "20 years..." Those business that fail are those that never prepared as I pointed out. Probably in trouble pre-brexit anyway. Just have something to hang it on now. I'm not going to enter into the argument, not debate as the only debaters on here are mastur, in agriculture because I have already covered that in other threads. Things aren't demonstrably worse because of Brexit unless you search then out. There are arguments on both sides, both are entrenched I never said it would take 20 years to see the benefits of Brexit. I did say only ill informed people, on both sides expected those benefits would happen overnight. So you’re saying that fishing businesses are failing not because they were sold down the river by the government but because they believed what they were told and failed to prepare as if they were lied to? And farmers are going to go to the wall not because we are doing trade deals that allow them to be massively undercut by products produced in countries with lower standards but because they failed in some way to prepare for that? " I've already answered these questions in previous threads. People need to read beyond the headlines and what they see on the internet. The EU did much more damage to both community's. | |||
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' would. To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. "Things are demonstrably worse than they were before Brexit." "Ah yes but I believe we won't see the benefits for 20 years so there is no argument to be had." "Yes but people feel they were lied to and the fisheries and farming industries are being sold down the river." "They need to wait 20 years to realise the benefits." "But most of them will be out of business within a year." "20 years..." Those business that fail are those that never prepared as I pointed out. Probably in trouble pre-brexit anyway. Just have something to hang it on now. I'm not going to enter into the argument, not debate as the only debaters on here are mastur, in agriculture because I have already covered that in other threads. Things aren't demonstrably worse because of Brexit unless you search then out. There are arguments on both sides, both are entrenched I never said it would take 20 years to see the benefits of Brexit. I did say only ill informed people, on both sides expected those benefits would happen overnight. So you’re saying that fishing businesses are failing not because they were sold down the river by the government but because they believed what they were told and failed to prepare as if they were lied to? And farmers are going to go to the wall not because we are doing trade deals that allow them to be massively undercut by products produced in countries with lower standards but because they failed in some way to prepare for that? I've already answered these questions in previous threads. People need to read beyond the headlines and what they see on the internet. The EU did much more damage to both community's. " Nothing to do with Brexit then? And not the fault of our lying, cheating Tories? | |||
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"Definitely more now than before" Why? | |||
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' woul To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. " best post of the day but there’s some on here won’t like it | |||
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' woul To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. best post of the day but there’s some on here won’t like it " Pretty sure a 20 year delay wasn't mentioned during the Brexit campaign. And I thought Brexit was supposed to be wonderful for us. And I thought we held all the cards. And I thought it was the easiest deal in history. And I thought there was gonna be no increassed red tape. And I thought it was gonna be wonderful for our fishing industry. And I thought the EU needed us more than we needed them. etc etc etc | |||
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' woul To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. best post of the day but there’s some on here won’t like it Pretty sure a 20 year delay wasn't mentioned during the Brexit campaign. And I thought Brexit was supposed to be wonderful for us. And I thought we held all the cards. And I thought it was the easiest deal in history. And I thought there was gonna be no increassed red tape. And I thought it was gonna be wonderful for our fishing industry. And I thought the EU needed us more than we needed them. etc etc etc " He isn't saying there will be a 20 year delay to any supposed benefits. This is why this same debate goes on and on, time and time again. People only read what they want to read and twist it to suit. | |||
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' woul To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. best post of the day but there’s some on here won’t like it Pretty sure a 20 year delay wasn't mentioned during the Brexit campaign. And I thought Brexit was supposed to be wonderful for us. And I thought we held all the cards. And I thought it was the easiest deal in history. And I thought there was gonna be no increassed red tape. And I thought it was gonna be wonderful for our fishing industry. And I thought the EU needed us more than we needed them. etc etc etc He isn't saying there will be a 20 year delay to any supposed benefits. This is why this same debate goes on and on, time and time again. People only read what they want to read and twist it to suit." I thought it was strongly implied. I could have misread it, though. So when do you think we'll see all these Brexit benefits? | |||
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' woul To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. best post of the day but there’s some on here won’t like it Pretty sure a 20 year delay wasn't mentioned during the Brexit campaign. And I thought Brexit was supposed to be wonderful for us. And I thought we held all the cards. And I thought it was the easiest deal in history. And I thought there was gonna be no increassed red tape. And I thought it was gonna be wonderful for our fishing industry. And I thought the EU needed us more than we needed them. etc etc etc He isn't saying there will be a 20 year delay to any supposed benefits. This is why this same debate goes on and on, time and time again. People only read what they want to read and twist it to suit. I thought it was strongly implied. I could have misread it, though. So when do you think we'll see all these Brexit benefits?" Here we go again 
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' woul To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. best post of the day but there’s some on here won’t like it Pretty sure a 20 year delay wasn't mentioned during the Brexit campaign. And I thought Brexit was supposed to be wonderful for us. And I thought we held all the cards. And I thought it was the easiest deal in history. And I thought there was gonna be no increassed red tape. And I thought it was gonna be wonderful for our fishing industry. And I thought the EU needed us more than we needed them. etc etc etc He isn't saying there will be a 20 year delay to any supposed benefits. This is why this same debate goes on and on, time and time again. People only read what they want to read and twist it to suit. I thought it was strongly implied. I could have misread it, though. So when do you think we'll see all these Brexit benefits? Here we go again
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"Definitely more now than before Why?" why because im happy how it's going. ok government could and should be better but I can't change that for me I see it's helping improve jobs and living most I no either getting better pay or better job's I voted for what I thought would be better for me and it is rest I don't give a fk about. | |||
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' woul To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. best post of the day but there’s some on here won’t like it Pretty sure a 20 year delay wasn't mentioned during the Brexit campaign. And I thought Brexit was supposed to be wonderful for us. And I thought we held all the cards. And I thought it was the easiest deal in history. And I thought there was gonna be no increassed red tape. And I thought it was gonna be wonderful for our fishing industry. And I thought the EU needed us more than we needed them. etc etc etc He isn't saying there will be a 20 year delay to any supposed benefits. This is why this same debate goes on and on, time and time again. People only read what they want to read and twist it to suit. I thought it was strongly implied. I could have misread it, though. So when do you think we'll see all these Brexit benefits? Here we go again
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' woul To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. best post of the day but there’s some on here won’t like it Pretty sure a 20 year delay wasn't mentioned during the Brexit campaign. And I thought Brexit was supposed to be wonderful for us. And I thought we held all the cards. And I thought it was the easiest deal in history. And I thought there was gonna be no increassed red tape. And I thought it was gonna be wonderful for our fishing industry. And I thought the EU needed us more than we needed them. etc etc etc He isn't saying there will be a 20 year delay to any supposed benefits. This is why this same debate goes on and on, time and time again. People only read what they want to read and twist it to suit. I thought it was strongly implied. I could have misread it, though. So when do you think we'll see all these Brexit benefits? Here we go again
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' woul To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. best post of the day but there’s some on here won’t like it Pretty sure a 20 year delay wasn't mentioned during the Brexit campaign. And I thought Brexit was supposed to be wonderful for us. And I thought we held all the cards. And I thought it was the easiest deal in history. And I thought there was gonna be no increassed red tape. And I thought it was gonna be wonderful for our fishing industry. And I thought the EU needed us more than we needed them. etc etc etc He isn't saying there will be a 20 year delay to any supposed benefits. This is why this same debate goes on and on, time and time again. People only read what they want to read and twist it to suit. I thought it was strongly implied. I could have misread it, though. So when do you think we'll see all these Brexit benefits? Here we go again
Read what he said, he didn't imply whatsoever that it'll take 20 years.
So when do you think we will see all these brexit benefits?
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"Definitely more now than before Why?why because im happy how it's going. ok government could and should be better but I can't change that for me I see it's helping improve jobs and living most I no either getting better pay or better job's I voted for what I thought would be better for me and it is rest I don't give a fk about." So you don't care that the country has lost a shitload of money? You're not worried about the threat of looming food shortages? You don't care that entire industries are crashing? You don't care that food is literally rotting in fields for a lack or pickers? Or that food is being thrown away due to a lack of drivers? etc | |||
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Read what he said, he didn't imply whatsoever that it'll take 20 years.
So when do you think we will see all these brexit benefits?
I asked that too. Do you think we'll ever get an answer?"No, you won't get an answer. Why? Because its been done to death. Its the remainers go to question to try get someone to put a time frame on it. I haven't at any point put a time frame on any of it and won't be doing so. | |||
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Read what he said, he didn't imply whatsoever that it'll take 20 years.
So when do you think we will see all these brexit benefits?
I asked that too. Do you think we'll ever get an answer?
No, you won't get an answer. Why? Because its been done to death. Its the remainers go to question to try get someone to put a time frame on it.
I haven't at any point put a time frame on any of it and won't be doing so."Could you list a couple of tangible benefits of brexit or aren't there any? | |||
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Read what he said, he didn't imply whatsoever that it'll take 20 years.
So when do you think we will see all these brexit benefits?
I asked that too. Do you think we'll ever get an answer?
No, you won't get an answer. Why? Because its been done to death. Its the remainers go to question to try get someone to put a time frame on it.
I haven't at any point put a time frame on any of it and won't be doing so.
Could you list a couple of tangible benefits of brexit or aren't there any?"You seem to think I'm se sort of Brexit Messiah, or even a leave voter. This thread isn't for Brexit Benefits etc. There's plenty of other thread for that  | |||
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Read what he said, he didn't imply whatsoever that it'll take 20 years.
So when do you think we will see all these brexit benefits?
I asked that too. Do you think we'll ever get an answer?
No, you won't get an answer. Why? Because its been done to death. Its the remainers go to question to try get someone to put a time frame on it.
I haven't at any point put a time frame on any of it and won't be doing so.
Could you list a couple of tangible benefits of brexit or aren't there any?
You seem to think I'm se sort of Brexit Messiah, or even a leave voter.
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Read what he said, he didn't imply whatsoever that it'll take 20 years.
So when do you think we will see all these brexit benefits?
I asked that too. Do you think we'll ever get an answer?
No, you won't get an answer. Why? Because its been done to death. Its the remainers go to question to try get someone to put a time frame on it.
I haven't at any point put a time frame on any of it and won't be doing so.
Could you list a couple of tangible benefits of brexit or aren't there any?
You seem to think I'm se sort of Brexit Messiah, or even a leave voter.
This thread isn't for Brexit Benefits etc. There's plenty of other thread for that
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"This thread is indicative of today's society. Today, but better still yesterday. No long term thinking. Only ill informed people thought things would change overnight, over a month or even a year. Today's society has no concept of long term. Where has the money gone? I think we all know the answer is that question, but because it doesn't fit the agenda it will be dismissed. Has Brexit affected me personally? No, nothing has changed. Business wise? No, nothing has changed, but then the businesses I work with both in the UK and the EU were prepared. Many others weren't. Too many. Would I vote the same way again. Yes, of course and as it was pointed out earlier, most people on either 'side' would. To get a proper view of the question, ask it again in 20 years. In 20 years time and probably an awful lot sooner, we will have a much more pragmatic relationship with the EU. The ideological fantasy of Brexit is unravelling day by day and it is inevitable that sooner, or later we will realign ourselves via some form of union with our closest trading partners for the simple reason that it makes sense. Nobody voted for a Brexit that damages the economy, negatively affects businesses, causes us to be rule-takers and places restrictions on our freedoms. As soon as it becomes clear that this is what Brexit is doing, then we can start to plan a more appropriate relationship with our closest trading partners. A relationship that is based on pragmatism and realism." I'd love that to be the case but you had better tell negotiators on both sides of the table because I don't think they understand. | |||
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Read what he said, he didn't imply whatsoever that it'll take 20 years.
So when do you think we will see all these brexit benefits?
I asked that too. Do you think we'll ever get an answer?
No, you won't get an answer. Why? Because its been done to death. Its the remainers go to question to try get someone to put a time frame on it.
I haven't at any point put a time frame on any of it and won't be doing so.
Could you list a couple of tangible benefits of brexit or aren't there any?
You seem to think I'm se sort of Brexit Messiah, or even a leave voter.
This thread isn't for Brexit Benefits etc. There's plenty of other thread for that
It’s ok to say there aren’t any you know?
Keep going, you'll just waste your own time "“It's Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” | |||
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Read what he said, he didn't imply whatsoever that it'll take 20 years.
So when do you think we will see all these brexit benefits?
I asked that too. Do you think we'll ever get an answer?
No, you won't get an answer. Why? Because its been done to death. Its the remainers go to question to try get someone to put a time frame on it.
I haven't at any point put a time frame on any of it and won't be doing so.
Could you list a couple of tangible benefits of brexit or aren't there any?
You seem to think I'm se sort of Brexit Messiah, or even a leave voter.
This thread isn't for Brexit Benefits etc. There's plenty of other thread for that
It’s ok to say there aren’t any you know?
Keep going, you'll just waste your own time
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If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others "What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different? | |||
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If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?"No benefits then? Unless your classing ‘no change’ as a benefit ? | |||
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If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?
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How has your life been measurably improved by this so far?
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If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?
No benefits then? Unless your classing ‘no change’ as a benefit ?
Yes, I am"Clutching at straws? Apart from the huge cost, the NI border problems, fishing industry ruined, musicians who can’t properly tour EU countries etc etc everything is as it was? | |||
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How has your life been measurably improved by this so far?
Ask me in 2 years when we are all past most of the Pandemic.
It’s ok, you’ll have found another smokescreen by then so you may as well answer now "Or. I won't go by your rules and answer you in two years | |||
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How has your life been measurably improved by this so far?
Ask me in 2 years when we are all past most of the Pandemic.
It’s ok, you’ll have found another smokescreen by then so you may as well answer now "2 years will become 5 years then 10 years etc etc  | |||
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How has your life been measurably improved by this so far?
Ask me in 2 years when we are all past most of the Pandemic.
It’s ok, you’ll have found another smokescreen by then so you may as well answer now
Or. I won't go by your rules and answer you in two years "Excellent, I’ll await your next “Brexit would’ve been great had it not been for…….” answer that you think isn’t humiliating then x | |||
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"Except the one where we are not members of a Federal State, and we as citizens don't get to vote directly for those who run it.
How has your life been measurably improved by this so far?
Ask me in 2 years when we are all past most of the Pandemic.
It’s ok, you’ll have found another smokescreen by then so you may as well answer now
2 years will become 5 years then 10 years etc etc "Of course it will but it’s quite funny to see the true believers humiliate themselves rather than admit they were taken in. | |||
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"Except the one where we are not members of a Federal State, and we as citizens don't get to vote directly for those who run it.
How has your life been measurably improved by this so far?
Ask me in 2 years when we are all past most of the Pandemic.
It’s ok, you’ll have found another smokescreen by then so you may as well answer now
Or. I won't go by your rules and answer you in two years
Excellent, I’ll await your next “Brexit would’ve been great had it not been for…….” answer that you think isn’t humiliating then x"Brexit has been a shit show and it is far from over, it is impossible to find tangible benefits right now, | |||
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How has your life been measurably improved by this so far?
Ask me in 2 years when we are all past most of the Pandemic.
It’s ok, you’ll have found another smokescreen by then so you may as well answer now
Or. I won't go by your rules and answer you in two years
Excellent, I’ll await your next “Brexit would’ve been great had it not been for…….” answer that you think isn’t humiliating then x"hahaha Nothing, absolutely Nothing humiliates me on here. However, I do hide behind my hands at some of the answers I read.  | |||
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"Except the one where we are not members of a Federal State, and we as citizens don't get to vote directly for those who run it.
How has your life been measurably improved by this so far?
Ask me in 2 years when we are all past most of the Pandemic.
It’s ok, you’ll have found another smokescreen by then so you may as well answer now
Or. I won't go by your rules and answer you in two years
Excellent, I’ll await your next “Brexit would’ve been great had it not been for…….” answer that you think isn’t humiliating then x
hahaha Nothing, absolutely Nothing humiliates me on here. However, I do hide behind my hands at some of the answers I read. "*write | |||
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"I seriously this thread has gone exactly how I thought it would. Yhats enough from me
If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?
No benefits then? Unless your classing ‘no change’ as a benefit ?
Yes, I am
Clutching at straws? Apart from the huge cost, the NI border problems, fishing industry ruined, musicians who can’t properly tour EU countries etc etc everything is as it was? "keep up mate the musicians thing as been resolved as will most things it just takes a bit of time like everything | |||
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"I seriously this thread has gone exactly how I thought it would. Yhats enough from me
If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?"So the benefit is we haven’t crashed off a cliff?? Cost of goods and services more expensive. If you trade only in U.K. you won’t feel this just yet but it’s coming. Jobs moving slowly to Europe Small firms closing due to e commerce issues on customs and further added cost . U.K. was the leader in small e commerce set ups. Those empty shelves that are starting to show. They will get worse in a the next few months as the driver shortage bites. It’s holiday time. Trade into NI badly affected. Retailers moving supply to EU as simpler. The fact that due to restricted logistics we will have less choice in the shops. Banking funds now in the EU rather U.K. reducing tax revenue. Workers leaving for the EU £18b lost tax. New standards to create No free movement so less easy to live and work anywhere Costs costs and more costs . It’s got to be paid for at some point. We’ve made people redundant and moved their jobs to Europe. No we’re not going bust but we have incurred seven figure costs which we will not allow to continue. We were experienced and prepared before you take that line. Government unpreparedness cost us a fortune. Infrastructure was and is still not in place. Europe will be our financial base going forward. So no buses going over a cliff just death by a thousand cuts. This amused me . We scrapped the remaining red passports ( in March ) at a cost of £8.5m to introduce polish made blue ones. The country is being run by idiots! To try and trade with China etc on equal terms is just a joke. We don’t have the strength. That is trumpeted as our future. Really, are you seriously believing that? Do people see how many engineers and technicians India and China etc are spewing out to compete in the world? 20 years to see any benefit? I’m curious what that benefit will look like? ( I think financial services which will benefit a few) Also if your 40 today not looking good for your future before you retire. Brexit is the greatest financial self harm ever inflicted on this country. It dwarfs the banking fuck ups and we are still paying for that all these years later. There is no Benefit to Brexit only the strengthening of the U.K. elite’s hold over the government. | |||
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"I seriously this thread has gone exactly how I thought it would. Yhats enough from me
If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?
No benefits then? Unless your classing ‘no change’ as a benefit ?
Yes, I am
Clutching at straws? Apart from the huge cost, the NI border problems, fishing industry ruined, musicians who can’t properly tour EU countries etc etc everything is as it was? keep up mate the musicians thing as been resolved as will most things it just takes a bit of time like everything "Has it? Not according to Elton John , anyway, it’s obvious that Brexit is no where near ‘being done ‘ | |||
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If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?
No benefits then? Unless your classing ‘no change’ as a benefit ?
Yes, I am
Clutching at straws? Apart from the huge cost, the NI border problems, fishing industry ruined, musicians who can’t properly tour EU countries etc etc everything is as it was? keep up mate the musicians thing as been resolved as will most things it just takes a bit of time like everything "…the Musicians bit hasn’t been resolved, it is the same as it was in Jan ‘19. More Govt lies, they have done nothing to improve touring visa’s… | |||
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If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?
No benefits then? Unless your classing ‘no change’ as a benefit ?
Yes, I am
Clutching at straws? Apart from the huge cost, the NI border problems, fishing industry ruined, musicians who can’t properly tour EU countries etc etc everything is as it was? keep up mate the musicians thing as been resolved as will most things it just takes a bit of time like everything "Keep up mate, musicians are saying that this is something they already knew about and does very little about the issues they face. They seem to think the government is trying to make out as if they have solved something when in reality is makes very little difference. | |||
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"I seriously this thread has gone exactly how I thought it would. Yhats enough from me
If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?
No benefits then? Unless your classing ‘no change’ as a benefit ?
Yes, I am
Clutching at straws? Apart from the huge cost, the NI border problems, fishing industry ruined, musicians who can’t properly tour EU countries etc etc everything is as it was? keep up mate the musicians thing as been resolved as will most things it just takes a bit of time like everything
Has it? Not according to Elton John , anyway, it’s obvious that Brexit is no where near ‘being done ‘ "ye mate I read it yesterday when where you talking to Elton ? | |||
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"I seriously this thread has gone exactly how I thought it would. Yhats enough from me
If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?
No benefits then? Unless your classing ‘no change’ as a benefit ?
Yes, I am
Clutching at straws? Apart from the huge cost, the NI border problems, fishing industry ruined, musicians who can’t properly tour EU countries etc etc everything is as it was? keep up mate the musicians thing as been resolved as will most things it just takes a bit of time like everything
Has it? Not according to Elton John , anyway, it’s obvious that Brexit is no where near ‘being done ‘ ye mate I read it yesterday when where you talking to Elton ?"Big article in the papers yesterday saying that the government were announcing nothing that hadn’t already been agreed and that it did next to nothing about the touring issues mate. | |||
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"I seriously this thread has gone exactly how I thought it would. Yhats enough from me
If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?
No benefits then? Unless your classing ‘no change’ as a benefit ?
Yes, I am
Clutching at straws? Apart from the huge cost, the NI border problems, fishing industry ruined, musicians who can’t properly tour EU countries etc etc everything is as it was? keep up mate the musicians thing as been resolved as will most things it just takes a bit of time like everything
Has it? Not according to Elton John , anyway, it’s obvious that Brexit is no where near ‘being done ‘ ye mate I read it yesterday when where you talking to Elton ?"Elton still isn’t happy, keep up mate | |||
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"I seriously this thread has gone exactly how I thought it would. Yhats enough from me
If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?
No benefits then? Unless your classing ‘no change’ as a benefit ?
Yes, I am
Clutching at straws? Apart from the huge cost, the NI border problems, fishing industry ruined, musicians who can’t properly tour EU countries etc etc everything is as it was? keep up mate the musicians thing as been resolved as will most things it just takes a bit of time like everything
Has it? Not according to Elton John , anyway, it’s obvious that Brexit is no where near ‘being done ‘ ye mate I read it yesterday when where you talking to Elton ?
Big article in the papers yesterday saying that the government were announcing nothing that hadn’t already been agreed and that it did next to nothing about the touring issues mate."okies buddy I’ll take your word for it | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps."You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times. | |||
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"I seriously this thread has gone exactly how I thought it would. Yhats enough from me
If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?
So the benefit is we haven’t crashed off a cliff??
Cost of goods and services more expensive. If you trade only in U.K. you won’t feel this just yet but it’s coming.
Jobs moving slowly to Europe
Small firms closing due to e commerce issues on customs and further added cost . U.K. was the leader in small e commerce set ups.
Those empty shelves that are starting to show. They will get worse in a the next few months as the driver shortage bites. It’s holiday time.
Trade into NI badly affected. Retailers moving supply to EU as simpler.
The fact that due to restricted logistics we will have less choice in the shops.
Banking funds now in the EU rather U.K. reducing tax revenue.
Workers leaving for the EU £18b lost tax.
New standards to create
No free movement so less easy to live and work anywhere
Costs costs and more costs . It’s got to be paid for at some point.
We’ve made people redundant and moved their jobs to Europe. No we’re not going bust but we have incurred seven figure costs which we will not allow to continue. We were experienced and prepared before you take that line. Government unpreparedness cost us a fortune. Infrastructure was and is still not in place.
Europe will be our financial base going forward.
So no buses going over a cliff just death by a thousand cuts.
This amused me . We scrapped the remaining red passports ( in March ) at a cost of £8.5m to introduce polish made blue ones.
The country is being run by idiots!
To try and trade with China etc on equal terms is just a joke. We don’t have the strength. That is trumpeted as our future. Really, are you seriously believing that?
Do people see how many engineers and technicians India and China etc are spewing out to compete in the world?
20 years to see any benefit? I’m curious what that benefit will look like? ( I think financial services which will benefit a few) Also if your 40 today not looking good for your future before you retire.
Brexit is the greatest financial self harm ever inflicted on this country. It dwarfs the banking fuck ups and we are still paying for that all these years later.
There is no Benefit to Brexit only the strengthening of the U.K. elite’s hold over the government.
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I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times. "Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said. I now have 2 broken heels | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels "And a blue passport | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport "And a big lorry park in Kent! | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport "aw looks like you’ve found yaself some new lads for ya tag team Lionel be steaming bud lol | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport aw looks like you’ve found yaself some new lads for ya tag team Lionel be steaming bud lol"Did you ever reply with what the Brexit benefits are? | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport aw looks like you’ve found yaself some new lads for ya tag team Lionel be steaming bud lol
Did you ever reply with what the Brexit benefits are?"no I didn’t I do apolagize mate wasn’t aware you make the rules so sorry | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport aw looks like you’ve found yaself some new lads for ya tag team Lionel be steaming bud lol
Did you ever reply with what the Brexit benefits are?no I didn’t I do apolagize mate wasn’t aware you make the rules so sorry "Yup I make all the rules, me. And you have to say what the benefits of Brexit are. I wish it wasn't so. But it's the rules. What can I do? | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport aw looks like you’ve found yaself some new lads for ya tag team Lionel be steaming bud lol
Did you ever reply with what the Brexit benefits are?no I didn’t I do apolagize mate wasn’t aware you make the rules so sorry
Yup I make all the rules, me. And you have to say what the benefits of Brexit are. I wish it wasn't so. But it's the rules. What can I do?"you could moan about brexit day in day out ?or wait you do my bad lol | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport aw looks like you’ve found yaself some new lads for ya tag team Lionel be steaming bud lol
Did you ever reply with what the Brexit benefits are?no I didn’t I do apolagize mate wasn’t aware you make the rules so sorry
Yup I make all the rules, me. And you have to say what the benefits of Brexit are. I wish it wasn't so. But it's the rules. What can I do?you could moan about brexit day in day out ?or wait you do my bad lol"This is really funny, in a Twilight Zone way. We're agreeing on another thread, whereas here... quite the opposite lol | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport "The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…  | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport aw looks like you’ve found yaself some new lads for ya tag team Lionel be steaming bud lol
Did you ever reply with what the Brexit benefits are?no I didn’t I do apolagize mate wasn’t aware you make the rules so sorry
Yup I make all the rules, me. And you have to say what the benefits of Brexit are. I wish it wasn't so. But it's the rules. What can I do?you could moan about brexit day in day out ?or wait you do my bad lol
This is really funny, in a Twilight Zone way. We're agreeing on another thread, whereas here... quite the opposite lol"lol it’s called life me and the wife do it all the time and by bedtime I agree she was right on everything she said today and I was wrong it’s the only way lol | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving… "But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked? | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?"Are you arguing that us getting these terribly patriotic new passports printed in Poland is a Brexit benefit? Is this the fabled benefit we've all been waiting for? | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Are you arguing that us getting these terribly patriotic new passports printed in Poland is a Brexit benefit? Is this the fabled benefit we've all been waiting for?"Learn to read. If I didnt say it, then I didn't imply it | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Are you arguing that us getting these terribly patriotic new passports printed in Poland is a Brexit benefit? Is this the fabled benefit we've all been waiting for?
Learn to read. If I didnt say it, then I didn't imply it"Then what are you saying? | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?"Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care "I need a new passport soon. | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care "I have actually. Just renewed the daughters a few weeks back | |||
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"I seriously this thread has gone exactly how I thought it would. Yhats enough from me
If only you had reeled off just a couple of the tangible benefits we have experienced because of Brexit you could’ve stopped it happening. Instead you chose not to, or were unable to.
As I've already said, this thread isn't for that. There's countless others
What are the disasters that have occurred as a result of the Tory handling of Brexit? I have a varied circle of friends and colleagues in a variety of business and employment areas, some remainers and some leavers and none of them are losing their homes, jobs, holidays, savings, health as a result of Brexit. It's pretty much as it was beforehand. No falling of a cliff and all that doom and gloom and that in itself is a benefit in my eyes. Is your current circumstance so different?
So the benefit is we haven’t crashed off a cliff??
Cost of goods and services more expensive. If you trade only in U.K. you won’t feel this just yet but it’s coming.
Jobs moving slowly to Europe
Small firms closing due to e commerce issues on customs and further added cost . U.K. was the leader in small e commerce set ups.
Those empty shelves that are starting to show. They will get worse in a the next few months as the driver shortage bites. It’s holiday time.
Trade into NI badly affected. Retailers moving supply to EU as simpler.
The fact that due to restricted logistics we will have less choice in the shops.
Banking funds now in the EU rather U.K. reducing tax revenue.
Workers leaving for the EU £18b lost tax.
New standards to create
No free movement so less easy to live and work anywhere
Costs costs and more costs . It’s got to be paid for at some point.
We’ve made people redundant and moved their jobs to Europe. No we’re not going bust but we have incurred seven figure costs which we will not allow to continue. We were experienced and prepared before you take that line. Government unpreparedness cost us a fortune. Infrastructure was and is still not in place.
Europe will be our financial base going forward.
So no buses going over a cliff just death by a thousand cuts.
This amused me . We scrapped the remaining red passports ( in March ) at a cost of £8.5m to introduce polish made blue ones.
The country is being run by idiots!
To try and trade with China etc on equal terms is just a joke. We don’t have the strength. That is trumpeted as our future. Really, are you seriously believing that?
Do people see how many engineers and technicians India and China etc are spewing out to compete in the world?
20 years to see any benefit? I’m curious what that benefit will look like? ( I think financial services which will benefit a few) Also if your 40 today not looking good for your future before you retire.
Brexit is the greatest financial self harm ever inflicted on this country. It dwarfs the banking fuck ups and we are still paying for that all these years later.
There is no Benefit to Brexit only the strengthening of the U.K. elite’s hold over the government.
thought you where in favour of the elite mate only yesterday saying how much you love the queen can’t get more elite than her bud "I’ll repeat foxy Read my post | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care
I have actually. Just renewed the daughters a few weeks back"Its great to see the EU supporting you then | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care
I have actually. Just renewed the daughters a few weeks back
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"I voted to remain and would again , Brexit has been a disaster why? Evidence please" What evidence would you like/accept? It’s been a complete shit show and it is far from over . | |||
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"I voted to remain and would again , Brexit has been a disaster why? Evidence please" Look around you just for starters- just how much it has polarised the country!! It wasn’t worth it just for that reason alone. | |||
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"Definitely more now than before Why?why because im happy how it's going. ok government could and should be better but I can't change that for me I see it's helping improve jobs and living most I no either getting better pay or better job's I voted for what I thought would be better for me and it is rest I don't give a fk about. So you don't care that the country has lost a shitload of money? You're not worried about the threat of looming food shortages? You don't care that entire industries are crashing? You don't care that food is literally rotting in fields for a lack or pickers? Or that food is being thrown away due to a lack of drivers? etc" no because I don't read the papers no food shortages here no food rotting away not seen any industries collapsing other than those that we struggling before covied and that's because most cheap labor have left so winner winner chicken dinner | |||
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"I voted to remain and would again , Brexit has been a disaster why? Evidence please What evidence would you like/accept? It’s been a complete shit show and it is far from over . " your usually evidence led just saying show us. | |||
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"I voted to remain and would again , Brexit has been a disaster why? Evidence please What evidence would you like/accept? It’s been a complete shit show and it is far from over . your usually evidence led just saying show us." For starters , The fuck up with the NI border? The fact we signed a deal that we now want to change? Your turn, a few tangible ‘benefits ’ | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care "Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week. | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week. "Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? "Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one. | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one."How about they could have been printed in the UK? British jobs? Not a single thing has got better because of Brexit. Nothing… | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one."Isn't it funny how all these remainers want us to be in the EU but if we now do trade with the EU it's (why not British jobs) | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
Isn't it funny how all these remainers want us to be in the EU but if we now do trade with the EU it's (why not British jobs)"One of the few benefits claimed by leave voters was a blue passport. The benefit proves to be worthless and in fact far more costly as the job to make the new style passport was given to Poland. Please explain unless you just happen to love the colour blue how this is a benefit ?? It’s an example of this government showing their true colours ( excuse the pun) . Cheapest not best value as workers in the UK lost their jobs. This is the level of our government’s skill in calculating a benefit . Less jobs and yet more money leaving the country. Well done Boris | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
Isn't it funny how all these remainers want us to be in the EU but if we now do trade with the EU it's (why not British jobs)
One of the few benefits claimed by leave voters was a blue passport. The benefit proves to be worthless and in fact far more costly as the job to make the new style passport was given to Poland.
Please explain unless you just happen to love the colour blue how this is a benefit ??
It’s an example of this government showing their true colours ( excuse the pun) . Cheapest not best value as workers in the UK lost their jobs. This is the level of our government’s skill in calculating a benefit . Less jobs and yet more money leaving the country.
Well done Boris "I see remainers here claiming its a supposed benefit in their usual sarcastic tones. Haven't seen any leavers say a blue passport is a benefit. You sure it was the loss of the UK passport contract that people lost their jobs? 'The 189-year-old company said annual operating profit fell 61% to £23m for the year to 30 March, hit by a fall in currency volumes and the loss of sanctions-hit Venezuela as a customer.' The issued 2 warnings in 2019 whilst still holding that contract. | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have" The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
How about they could have been printed in the UK? British jobs? Not a single thing has got better because of Brexit. Nothing…"I thought you said there was a problem getting one. I suppose its because its cheaper but would guess even if they did you would complain the paper is not made here. | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
How about they could have been printed in the UK? British jobs? Not a single thing has got better because of Brexit. Nothing… I thought you said there was a problem getting one. I suppose its because its cheaper but would guess even if they did you would complain the paper is not made here."Can you name any single benefit from Brexit, I can’t see any - happy to be proven wrong, should this be possible | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
How about they could have been printed in the UK? British jobs? Not a single thing has got better because of Brexit. Nothing… I thought you said there was a problem getting one. I suppose its because its cheaper but would guess even if they did you would complain the paper is not made here.
Can you name any single benefit from Brexit, I can’t see any - happy to be proven wrong, should this be possible "In trying to see the other side ... It was a lot easier to to it alone on the vaccine strategy. Less workers seems to be inflating wages in some areas so they may be better off in real terms even after this flows through to prices. There have been positive animal welfare reforms. Our fishermen will be able to catch a few more fish than before. Some companies with large UK weighting are doubling down on others leaving (eg nissan) creating jobs in those areas. We have a new lifeboat | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
Isn't it funny how all these remainers want us to be in the EU but if we now do trade with the EU it's (why not British jobs)
One of the few benefits claimed by leave voters was a blue passport. The benefit proves to be worthless and in fact far more costly as the job to make the new style passport was given to Poland.
Please explain unless you just happen to love the colour blue how this is a benefit ??
It’s an example of this government showing their true colours ( excuse the pun) . Cheapest not best value as workers in the UK lost their jobs. This is the level of our government’s skill in calculating a benefit . Less jobs and yet more money leaving the country.
Well done Boris
I see remainers here claiming its a supposed benefit in their usual sarcastic tones.
Haven't seen any leavers say a blue passport is a benefit.
You sure it was the loss of the UK passport contract that people lost their jobs?
'The 189-year-old company said annual operating profit fell 61% to £23m for the year to 30 March, hit by a fall in currency volumes and the loss of sanctions-hit Venezuela as a customer.'
The issued 2 warnings in 2019 whilst still holding that contract."Yes so losing a Uk government supply contract which they manufacture in the U.K. helps how exactly? | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. " I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU. | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. " agree jackal most jobs should be awarded to U.K. firms but to be fair isn’t your operation moving jobs out to the eu ?? | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
How about they could have been printed in the UK? British jobs? Not a single thing has got better because of Brexit. Nothing… I thought you said there was a problem getting one. I suppose its because its cheaper but would guess even if they did you would complain the paper is not made here.
Can you name any single benefit from Brexit, I can’t see any - happy to be proven wrong, should this be possible
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It was a lot easier to to it alone on the vaccine strategy.
Less workers seems to be inflating wages in some areas so they may be better off in real terms even after this flows through to prices.
There have been positive animal welfare reforms.
Our fishermen will be able to catch a few more fish than before.
Some companies with large UK weighting are doubling down on others leaving (eg nissan) creating jobs in those areas.
We have a new lifeboat "I’ll reply again as it’s quiet on here. Vaccines - we could always go it alone so not relevant it was our choice. Wages for staff shortage, true for the likes of HGV. drivers but examples of 28% will push some hauliers out of business or their customers who can’t afford increases on such a scale. But yes drivers who work for the likes of Tesco good news but smaller companies will fold limiting the general market even further. It’s not a good outcome regardless of inflation. Tesco offering £1000 sign on bonus so they don’t have to pay £2k for training a driver as they would rather poach. Animal welfare ?? We are planning to import hormone injected beef and poorly cared for sheep from Australia. Not a great outcome is it! I believe we could always impose the ban on transporting young calves lambs etc we chose not to. ( don’t know facts on this so happy to be corrected) More fish? The shellfish can’t be sold. We have lost Norwegian fishing grounds so overall a net loss. Increases costs to export fish means some companies have closed so pretty crap outcome. Ships are landing catches in Europe to avoid U.K. costs and paperwork so not good for U.K. markets. Agree Uk weighted companies now demanding government handout or they threaten to leave. So investment the U.K. tax payer is coughing up a lot towards. U.K. only trading business not as badly affected I agree but raw material increases along with associated freight and customs increases on raw materials will reduce margin or will be passed to the consumer. Less value in wages. Nice to have a new lifeboat I totally agree that’s good news and maybe helped by the increase in contributions since that arse Farage had his rant. So yes a Brexiteer indirectly helped pay for a new lifeboat. It’s a shit show of mammoth proportions and has done nothing but harm the UK. | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. agree jackal most jobs should be awarded to U.K. firms but to be fair isn’t your operation moving jobs out to the eu ??" Yes we are because those divisions are high volume low margin and the customers are in Europe. We can supply cheaper now from inside Europe due to increased freight and customs costs from the UK . So before all revenue on the those jobs came to the U.K. That will no longer be the case going forward. The revenue for those jobs is not paid for by the U.K. tax payer though, which is the most important part of government should buy British always if possible. | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU." No, but it was heralded as a Brexit positive to have blue passports as our break away from the EU so the irony seems to be lost on you. | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU. No, but it was heralded as a Brexit positive to have blue passports as our break away from the EU so the irony seems to be lost on you. " I was simply asking a question as its sometimes mentioned on here as a brexit negative but seems to have nothing to do with it (moving producction).I don't know why changing the colour of the passport is heralded as a positive so agree with you there but if the result is a different colour passport that seems to be to some peoples liking then they have what they promised | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU. No, but it was heralded as a Brexit positive to have blue passports as our break away from the EU so the irony seems to be lost on you. I was simply asking a question as its sometimes mentioned on here as a brexit negative but seems to have nothing to do with it (moving producction).I don't know why changing the colour of the passport is heralded as a positive so agree with you there but if the result is a different colour passport that seems to be to some peoples liking then they have what they promised" Sorry if I seemed to aggressive it wasn’t my intention. The colour could have been blue anytime we wanted. It wasn’t a restriction imposed by the EU. So maybe we should have had a referendum on the colour of our passports and left it at that.
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There have been a number of EU regulations over the years dealing with passport uniformity. One resolution in 1981 says the passport should be “burgundy red” in colour.
However, further resolutions in 2004 did not make reference to the colour of the front cover.
It is worth noting here that not all member state passports have burgundy covers. Most EU passports are some shade of red, but the passport for Croatia, which joined the EU in 2013, is dark blue.
The spokesperson said the 2004 regulations achieved harmonisation on security features and biometrics.
“However format and layout as well as issuing procedures remain within the competence of the Member States,” they said.
In its own statement today, ( December 2017) the Conservative party said the burgundy colour “was adopted” by the UK. It does not say this decision was forced upon the government.
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU. No, but it was heralded as a Brexit positive to have blue passports as our break away from the EU so the irony seems to be lost on you. I was simply asking a question as its sometimes mentioned on here as a brexit negative but seems to have nothing to do with it (moving producction).I don't know why changing the colour of the passport is heralded as a positive so agree with you there but if the result is a different colour passport that seems to be to some peoples liking then they have what they promised Sorry if I seemed to aggressive it wasn’t my intention. The colour could have been blue anytime we wanted. It wasn’t a restriction imposed by the EU. So maybe we should have had a referendum on the colour of our passports and left it at that.
The facts
There have been a number of EU regulations over the years dealing with passport uniformity. One resolution in 1981 says the passport should be “burgundy red” in colour.
However, further resolutions in 2004 did not make reference to the colour of the front cover.
It is worth noting here that not all member state passports have burgundy covers. Most EU passports are some shade of red, but the passport for Croatia, which joined the EU in 2013, is dark blue.
The spokesperson said the 2004 regulations achieved harmonisation on security features and biometrics.
“However format and layout as well as issuing procedures remain within the competence of the Member States,” they said.
In its own statement today, ( December 2017) the Conservative party said the burgundy colour “was adopted” by the UK. It does not say this decision was forced upon the government.
So blue was always up to us. "no problem I like the idea of a referendum on passport colours lol. good to see the production location is irrelevant to brexit. I suspect many gov contracts are done overseas and has been so for many years. Like you unless it simply cannot be done here then they should be kept local | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU. No, but it was heralded as a Brexit positive to have blue passports as our break away from the EU so the irony seems to be lost on you. I was simply asking a question as its sometimes mentioned on here as a brexit negative but seems to have nothing to do with it (moving producction).I don't know why changing the colour of the passport is heralded as a positive so agree with you there but if the result is a different colour passport that seems to be to some peoples liking then they have what they promised Sorry if I seemed to aggressive it wasn’t my intention. The colour could have been blue anytime we wanted. It wasn’t a restriction imposed by the EU. So maybe we should have had a referendum on the colour of our passports and left it at that.
The facts
There have been a number of EU regulations over the years dealing with passport uniformity. One resolution in 1981 says the passport should be “burgundy red” in colour.
However, further resolutions in 2004 did not make reference to the colour of the front cover.
It is worth noting here that not all member state passports have burgundy covers. Most EU passports are some shade of red, but the passport for Croatia, which joined the EU in 2013, is dark blue.
The spokesperson said the 2004 regulations achieved harmonisation on security features and biometrics.
“However format and layout as well as issuing procedures remain within the competence of the Member States,” they said.
In its own statement today, ( December 2017) the Conservative party said the burgundy colour “was adopted” by the UK. It does not say this decision was forced upon the government.
So blue was always up to us.
no problem
I like the idea of a referendum on passport colours lol.
good to see the production location is irrelevant to brexit. I suspect many gov contracts are done overseas and has been so for many years. Like you unless it simply cannot be done here then they should be kept local"We are lending the Ukraine money to build naval ships. 2 will be built here and six in the Ukraine. I know we get paid back on this but why not insist that at least four are built here. I believe arguments have started so this may have changed, A business I know supplied major technical service contracts to the MOD ( naval ) and on one contract were undercut by a Dutch company by a very small amount. £200k. The U.K. government true to form gave the job to another country to save the small difference. The contact was worth around £50m so not massive but every penny went to the Netherlands not the U.K. Utter short sighted madness. In tax alone the loss was multiples of the saving. Without taking into account the £50m spend in the U.K. economy. | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU. No, but it was heralded as a Brexit positive to have blue passports as our break away from the EU so the irony seems to be lost on you. I was simply asking a question as its sometimes mentioned on here as a brexit negative but seems to have nothing to do with it (moving producction).I don't know why changing the colour of the passport is heralded as a positive so agree with you there but if the result is a different colour passport that seems to be to some peoples liking then they have what they promised Sorry if I seemed to aggressive it wasn’t my intention. The colour could have been blue anytime we wanted. It wasn’t a restriction imposed by the EU. So maybe we should have had a referendum on the colour of our passports and left it at that.
The facts
There have been a number of EU regulations over the years dealing with passport uniformity. One resolution in 1981 says the passport should be “burgundy red” in colour.
However, further resolutions in 2004 did not make reference to the colour of the front cover.
It is worth noting here that not all member state passports have burgundy covers. Most EU passports are some shade of red, but the passport for Croatia, which joined the EU in 2013, is dark blue.
The spokesperson said the 2004 regulations achieved harmonisation on security features and biometrics.
“However format and layout as well as issuing procedures remain within the competence of the Member States,” they said.
In its own statement today, ( December 2017) the Conservative party said the burgundy colour “was adopted” by the UK. It does not say this decision was forced upon the government.
So blue was always up to us.
no problem
I like the idea of a referendum on passport colours lol.
good to see the production location is irrelevant to brexit. I suspect many gov contracts are done overseas and has been so for many years. Like you unless it simply cannot be done here then they should be kept local
We are lending the Ukraine money to build naval ships. 2 will be built here and six in the Ukraine. I know we get paid back on this but why not insist that at least four are built here. I believe arguments have started so this may have changed,
A business I know supplied major technical service contracts to the MOD ( naval ) and on one contract were undercut by a Dutch company by a very small amount. £200k. The U.K. government true to form gave the job to another country to save the small difference. The contact was worth around £50m so not massive but every penny went to the Netherlands not the U.K.
Utter short sighted madness. In tax alone the loss was multiples of the saving. Without taking into account the £50m spend in the U.K. economy. "Got any proof of this or is it just another someone i know post? | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU. No, but it was heralded as a Brexit positive to have blue passports as our break away from the EU so the irony seems to be lost on you. I was simply asking a question as its sometimes mentioned on here as a brexit negative but seems to have nothing to do with it (moving producction).I don't know why changing the colour of the passport is heralded as a positive so agree with you there but if the result is a different colour passport that seems to be to some peoples liking then they have what they promised Sorry if I seemed to aggressive it wasn’t my intention. The colour could have been blue anytime we wanted. It wasn’t a restriction imposed by the EU. So maybe we should have had a referendum on the colour of our passports and left it at that.
The facts
There have been a number of EU regulations over the years dealing with passport uniformity. One resolution in 1981 says the passport should be “burgundy red” in colour.
However, further resolutions in 2004 did not make reference to the colour of the front cover.
It is worth noting here that not all member state passports have burgundy covers. Most EU passports are some shade of red, but the passport for Croatia, which joined the EU in 2013, is dark blue.
The spokesperson said the 2004 regulations achieved harmonisation on security features and biometrics.
“However format and layout as well as issuing procedures remain within the competence of the Member States,” they said.
In its own statement today, ( December 2017) the Conservative party said the burgundy colour “was adopted” by the UK. It does not say this decision was forced upon the government.
So blue was always up to us.
no problem
I like the idea of a referendum on passport colours lol.
good to see the production location is irrelevant to brexit. I suspect many gov contracts are done overseas and has been so for many years. Like you unless it simply cannot be done here then they should be kept local
We are lending the Ukraine money to build naval ships. 2 will be built here and six in the Ukraine. I know we get paid back on this but why not insist that at least four are built here. I believe arguments have started so this may have changed,
A business I know supplied major technical service contracts to the MOD ( naval ) and on one contract were undercut by a Dutch company by a very small amount. £200k. The U.K. government true to form gave the job to another country to save the small difference. The contact was worth around £50m so not massive but every penny went to the Netherlands not the U.K.
Utter short sighted madness. In tax alone the loss was multiples of the saving. Without taking into account the £50m spend in the U.K. economy. Got any proof of this or is it just another someone i know post?"Yes lots but giving out his name as proof on a swingers site is not something to encourage is it. Some extra detail is it was related to submarine navigation. I don’t care if you don’t believe me it was referencing a point on government incompetence in regards to tenders. | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
How about they could have been printed in the UK? British jobs? Not a single thing has got better because of Brexit. Nothing… I thought you said there was a problem getting one. I suppose its because its cheaper but would guess even if they did you would complain the paper is not made here.
Can you name any single benefit from Brexit, I can’t see any - happy to be proven wrong, should this be possible
In trying to see the other side ...
It was a lot easier to to it alone on the vaccine strategy.
Less workers seems to be inflating wages in some areas so they may be better off in real terms even after this flows through to prices.
There have been positive animal welfare reforms.
Our fishermen will be able to catch a few more fish than before.
Some companies with large UK weighting are doubling down on others leaving (eg nissan) creating jobs in those areas.
We have a new lifeboat
I’ll reply again as it’s quiet on here.
Vaccines - we could always go it alone so not relevant it was our choice.
Wages for staff shortage, true for the likes of HGV. drivers but examples of 28% will push some hauliers out of business or their customers who can’t afford increases on such a scale. But yes drivers who work for the likes of Tesco good news but smaller companies will fold limiting the general market even further. It’s not a good outcome regardless of inflation. Tesco offering £1000 sign on bonus so they don’t have to pay £2k for training a driver as they would rather poach.
Animal welfare ?? We are planning to import hormone injected beef and poorly cared for sheep from Australia. Not a great outcome is it! I believe we could always impose the ban on transporting young calves lambs etc we chose not to. ( don’t know facts on this so happy to be corrected)
More fish? The shellfish can’t be sold. We have lost Norwegian fishing grounds so overall a net loss.
Increases costs to export fish means some companies have closed so pretty crap outcome. Ships are landing catches in Europe to avoid U.K. costs and paperwork so not good for U.K. markets.
Agree Uk weighted companies now demanding government handout or they threaten to leave. So investment the U.K. tax payer is coughing up a lot towards. U.K. only trading business not as badly affected I agree but raw material increases along with associated freight and customs increases on raw materials will reduce margin or will be passed to the consumer. Less value in wages.
Nice to have a new lifeboat I totally agree that’s good news and maybe helped by the increase in contributions since that arse Farage had his rant. So yes a Brexiteer indirectly helped pay for a new lifeboat.
It’s a shit show of mammoth proportions and has done nothing but harm the UK.
"I voted to remain so trying to take the opposite side here. As much as we could have gone it alone when in the EU, chnacew are we wouldn't imo. And I agree there will be job losses too. I'm looking for some benefits for some. Likewise the fishes. Some will be winners if overal it's net losses (net losses. Fishes. Brilliant.) Tbf to some leave voters, the reduction in EU workers has happened (so is a benefit to them for whatever reason) and benefits of not being tied to EU law will take time to come through ... Our government has been a bit distracted (and some of that has been with covid, ammirite?) | |||
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"The annoying thing about the passports, is that the UK gave the business to a partly owned French company, but no UK company was "allowed" to tender for printing French passports. The French bent the EU rules, so it just wasn't possible. " I think most countries class passports as sensitive contracts so are produced in house as it were. We could have used the same approach afaik. But didn't. Which is the story of our relationship with the EU. | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
How about they could have been printed in the UK? British jobs? Not a single thing has got better because of Brexit. Nothing… I thought you said there was a problem getting one. I suppose its because its cheaper but would guess even if they did you would complain the paper is not made here.
Can you name any single benefit from Brexit, I can’t see any - happy to be proven wrong, should this be possible
In trying to see the other side ...
It was a lot easier to to it alone on the vaccine strategy.
Less workers seems to be inflating wages in some areas so they may be better off in real terms even after this flows through to prices.
There have been positive animal welfare reforms.
Our fishermen will be able to catch a few more fish than before.
Some companies with large UK weighting are doubling down on others leaving (eg nissan) creating jobs in those areas.
We have a new lifeboat
I’ll reply again as it’s quiet on here.
Vaccines - we could always go it alone so not relevant it was our choice.
Wages for staff shortage, true for the likes of HGV. drivers but examples of 28% will push some hauliers out of business or their customers who can’t afford increases on such a scale. But yes drivers who work for the likes of Tesco good news but smaller companies will fold limiting the general market even further. It’s not a good outcome regardless of inflation. Tesco offering £1000 sign on bonus so they don’t have to pay £2k for training a driver as they would rather poach.
Animal welfare ?? We are planning to import hormone injected beef and poorly cared for sheep from Australia. Not a great outcome is it! I believe we could always impose the ban on transporting young calves lambs etc we chose not to. ( don’t know facts on this so happy to be corrected)
More fish? The shellfish can’t be sold. We have lost Norwegian fishing grounds so overall a net loss.
Increases costs to export fish means some companies have closed so pretty crap outcome. Ships are landing catches in Europe to avoid U.K. costs and paperwork so not good for U.K. markets.
Agree Uk weighted companies now demanding government handout or they threaten to leave. So investment the U.K. tax payer is coughing up a lot towards. U.K. only trading business not as badly affected I agree but raw material increases along with associated freight and customs increases on raw materials will reduce margin or will be passed to the consumer. Less value in wages.
Nice to have a new lifeboat I totally agree that’s good news and maybe helped by the increase in contributions since that arse Farage had his rant. So yes a Brexiteer indirectly helped pay for a new lifeboat.
It’s a shit show of mammoth proportions and has done nothing but harm the UK.
I voted to remain so trying to take the opposite side here.
As much as we could have gone it alone when in the EU, chnacew are we wouldn't imo.
And I agree there will be job losses too. I'm looking for some benefits for some. Likewise the fishes. Some will be winners if overal it's net losses (net losses. Fishes. Brilliant.)
Tbf to some leave voters, the reduction in EU workers has happened (so is a benefit to them for whatever reason) and benefits of not being tied to EU law will take time to come through ... Our government has been a bit distracted (and some of that has been with covid, ammirite?)
"Nice to see you appreciate the humour. I have to come clean and admit it was accidental so can’t claim bragging rights damn it!
EU law has been replaced with miles more red tape so there won’t be any benefit. The reason 45% of our trade was with the EU was because it was so easy to trade with the EU. It really is that simple. We now have barriers and costs which hinder trade. Like I said just madness. | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
Isn't it funny how all these remainers want us to be in the EU but if we now do trade with the EU it's (why not British jobs)
One of the few benefits claimed by leave voters was a blue passport. The benefit proves to be worthless and in fact far more costly as the job to make the new style passport was given to Poland.
Please explain unless you just happen to love the colour blue how this is a benefit ??
It’s an example of this government showing their true colours ( excuse the pun) . Cheapest not best value as workers in the UK lost their jobs. This is the level of our government’s skill in calculating a benefit . Less jobs and yet more money leaving the country.
Well done Boris
I see remainers here claiming its a supposed benefit in their usual sarcastic tones.
Haven't seen any leavers say a blue passport is a benefit.
You sure it was the loss of the UK passport contract that people lost their jobs?
'The 189-year-old company said annual operating profit fell 61% to £23m for the year to 30 March, hit by a fall in currency volumes and the loss of sanctions-hit Venezuela as a customer.'
The issued 2 warnings in 2019 whilst still holding that contract.
Yes so losing a Uk government supply contract which they manufacture in the U.K. helps how exactly? "De La Rue are a private company who print for a variety of different countries. Should they lose all of their foreign contracts now and only have British contracts? Maybe all those other countries should take their contracts back to their own countries, as you'd like for the UK. That should really help them out. The fact is that they have been losing money and restructuring for years and the jobs losses are likely nothing to do with that one contract. | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
Isn't it funny how all these remainers want us to be in the EU but if we now do trade with the EU it's (why not British jobs)
One of the few benefits claimed by leave voters was a blue passport. The benefit proves to be worthless and in fact far more costly as the job to make the new style passport was given to Poland.
Please explain unless you just happen to love the colour blue how this is a benefit ??
It’s an example of this government showing their true colours ( excuse the pun) . Cheapest not best value as workers in the UK lost their jobs. This is the level of our government’s skill in calculating a benefit . Less jobs and yet more money leaving the country.
Well done Boris
I see remainers here claiming its a supposed benefit in their usual sarcastic tones.
Haven't seen any leavers say a blue passport is a benefit.
You sure it was the loss of the UK passport contract that people lost their jobs?
'The 189-year-old company said annual operating profit fell 61% to £23m for the year to 30 March, hit by a fall in currency volumes and the loss of sanctions-hit Venezuela as a customer.'
The issued 2 warnings in 2019 whilst still holding that contract.
Yes so losing a Uk government supply contract which they manufacture in the U.K. helps how exactly?
De La Rue are a private company who print for a variety of different countries. Should they lose all of their foreign contracts now and only have British contracts?
Maybe all those other countries should take their contracts back to their own countries, as you'd like for the UK. That should really help them out.
The fact is that they have been losing money and restructuring for years and the jobs losses are likely nothing to do with that one contract.
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
Isn't it funny how all these remainers want us to be in the EU but if we now do trade with the EU it's (why not British jobs)
One of the few benefits claimed by leave voters was a blue passport. The benefit proves to be worthless and in fact far more costly as the job to make the new style passport was given to Poland.
Please explain unless you just happen to love the colour blue how this is a benefit ??
It’s an example of this government showing their true colours ( excuse the pun) . Cheapest not best value as workers in the UK lost their jobs. This is the level of our government’s skill in calculating a benefit . Less jobs and yet more money leaving the country.
Well done Boris
I see remainers here claiming its a supposed benefit in their usual sarcastic tones.
Haven't seen any leavers say a blue passport is a benefit.
You sure it was the loss of the UK passport contract that people lost their jobs?
'The 189-year-old company said annual operating profit fell 61% to £23m for the year to 30 March, hit by a fall in currency volumes and the loss of sanctions-hit Venezuela as a customer.'
The issued 2 warnings in 2019 whilst still holding that contract.
Yes so losing a Uk government supply contract which they manufacture in the U.K. helps how exactly?
De La Rue are a private company who print for a variety of different countries. Should they lose all of their foreign contracts now and only have British contracts?
Maybe all those other countries should take their contracts back to their own countries, as you'd like for the UK. That should really help them out.
The fact is that they have been losing money and restructuring for years and the jobs losses are likely nothing to do with that one contract.
I agree with all you state but how does losing work from the U.K. government help in any way to keep those U.K. jobs? "How many people actually lost their job due to the contract 10,s 100,s 1000,s 10,000,s and wasn't the reason we had to offer the contract to eu countries because we were still in due to the remainers trying to stop brexit? | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
Isn't it funny how all these remainers want us to be in the EU but if we now do trade with the EU it's (why not British jobs)
One of the few benefits claimed by leave voters was a blue passport. The benefit proves to be worthless and in fact far more costly as the job to make the new style passport was given to Poland.
Please explain unless you just happen to love the colour blue how this is a benefit ??
It’s an example of this government showing their true colours ( excuse the pun) . Cheapest not best value as workers in the UK lost their jobs. This is the level of our government’s skill in calculating a benefit . Less jobs and yet more money leaving the country.
Well done Boris
I see remainers here claiming its a supposed benefit in their usual sarcastic tones.
Haven't seen any leavers say a blue passport is a benefit.
You sure it was the loss of the UK passport contract that people lost their jobs?
'The 189-year-old company said annual operating profit fell 61% to £23m for the year to 30 March, hit by a fall in currency volumes and the loss of sanctions-hit Venezuela as a customer.'
The issued 2 warnings in 2019 whilst still holding that contract.
Yes so losing a Uk government supply contract which they manufacture in the U.K. helps how exactly?
De La Rue are a private company who print for a variety of different countries. Should they lose all of their foreign contracts now and only have British contracts?
Maybe all those other countries should take their contracts back to their own countries, as you'd like for the UK. That should really help them out.
The fact is that they have been losing money and restructuring for years and the jobs losses are likely nothing to do with that one contract.
I agree with all you state but how does losing work from the U.K. government help in any way to keep those U.K. jobs? How many people actually lost their job due to the contract 10,s 100,s 1000,s 10,000,s and wasn't the reason we had to offer the contract to eu countries because we were still in due to the remainers trying to stop brexit? "A relatively hi tech UK company which employs over 2000 people mostly in the U.K. is struggling so the governments answer is to award nearly £500m of their existing business to another country weakening the company further. De la rue questioned the validity of the winning tender which was over £100m cheaper. But have now accepted they lost. So now £500m of tax payers money is going to France, the Netherlands and Poland . Not one penny is being spent in the U.K. all money lost to our economy out of government incompetence. The national security alone meant we could keep printing within the U.K. so the business could easily have been awarded to a U.K. company. We don’t have to tender it. French passports are made by Imprimerie Nationale, the state-run French printing organisation, with the French government having made the decision not to put the job out to tender, as allowed under EU rules. Even if it was a rule of the EU which it wasn’t why didn’t they then delay the process? They could easily have waited to be out if the EU by adding an addendum to the existing contract so on both counts your Brexit comment is not valid. It’s just bad government at the tax payers expense yet again. | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
Isn't it funny how all these remainers want us to be in the EU but if we now do trade with the EU it's (why not British jobs)
One of the few benefits claimed by leave voters was a blue passport. The benefit proves to be worthless and in fact far more costly as the job to make the new style passport was given to Poland.
Please explain unless you just happen to love the colour blue how this is a benefit ??
It’s an example of this government showing their true colours ( excuse the pun) . Cheapest not best value as workers in the UK lost their jobs. This is the level of our government’s skill in calculating a benefit . Less jobs and yet more money leaving the country.
Well done Boris
I see remainers here claiming its a supposed benefit in their usual sarcastic tones.
Haven't seen any leavers say a blue passport is a benefit.
You sure it was the loss of the UK passport contract that people lost their jobs?
'The 189-year-old company said annual operating profit fell 61% to £23m for the year to 30 March, hit by a fall in currency volumes and the loss of sanctions-hit Venezuela as a customer.'
The issued 2 warnings in 2019 whilst still holding that contract.
Yes so losing a Uk government supply contract which they manufacture in the U.K. helps how exactly?
De La Rue are a private company who print for a variety of different countries. Should they lose all of their foreign contracts now and only have British contracts?
Maybe all those other countries should take their contracts back to their own countries, as you'd like for the UK. That should really help them out.
The fact is that they have been losing money and restructuring for years and the jobs losses are likely nothing to do with that one contract.
I agree with all you state but how does losing work from the U.K. government help in any way to keep those U.K. jobs? How many people actually lost their job due to the contract 10,s 100,s 1000,s 10,000,s and wasn't the reason we had to offer the contract to eu countries because we were still in due to the remainers trying to stop brexit? "We had to offer it because we hadn't classed them as security data. Under WTO rules there are still rules about offering public projects out to tender. As far as I can tell this is an issue with HMG. Not the EU. | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
How about they could have been printed in the UK? British jobs? Not a single thing has got better because of Brexit. Nothing… I thought you said there was a problem getting one. I suppose its because its cheaper but would guess even if they did you would complain the paper is not made here.
Can you name any single benefit from Brexit, I can’t see any - happy to be proven wrong, should this be possible
In trying to see the other side ...
It was a lot easier to to it alone on the vaccine strategy.
Incorrect, we could do our own think like others - Sweden for example
Less workers seems to be inflating wages in some areas so they may be better off in real terms even after this flows through to prices.
Really - its the workers fault?
There have been positive animal welfare reforms.
We could have done the same within the EU
Our fishermen will be able to catch a few more fish than before.
Not actually true - ask a fisherman, especially as they can’t sell now…
Some companies with large UK weighting are doubling down on others leaving (eg nissan) creating jobs in those areas.
Maybe give us a net number? Honda is gone
We have a new lifeboat "As the RNLI is publicly funded, that isonly from the generosity of people who dislike Farage. Thank you for trying, but you have provided no examples of benefits - there are none… | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
Isn't it funny how all these remainers want us to be in the EU but if we now do trade with the EU it's (why not British jobs)
One of the few benefits claimed by leave voters was a blue passport. The benefit proves to be worthless and in fact far more costly as the job to make the new style passport was given to Poland.
Please explain unless you just happen to love the colour blue how this is a benefit ??
It’s an example of this government showing their true colours ( excuse the pun) . Cheapest not best value as workers in the UK lost their jobs. This is the level of our government’s skill in calculating a benefit . Less jobs and yet more money leaving the country.
Well done Boris
I see remainers here claiming its a supposed benefit in their usual sarcastic tones.
Haven't seen any leavers say a blue passport is a benefit.
You sure it was the loss of the UK passport contract that people lost their jobs?
'The 189-year-old company said annual operating profit fell 61% to £23m for the year to 30 March, hit by a fall in currency volumes and the loss of sanctions-hit Venezuela as a customer.'
The issued 2 warnings in 2019 whilst still holding that contract.
Yes so losing a Uk government supply contract which they manufacture in the U.K. helps how exactly?
De La Rue are a private company who print for a variety of different countries. Should they lose all of their foreign contracts now and only have British contracts?
Maybe all those other countries should take their contracts back to their own countries, as you'd like for the UK. That should really help them out.
The fact is that they have been losing money and restructuring for years and the jobs losses are likely nothing to do with that one contract.
I agree with all you state but how does losing work from the U.K. government help in any way to keep those U.K. jobs? "It doesn't help clearly but I'm yet to see that these jobs would have been kept. De La Rue actually had a turn up in their latest report so maybe, just maybe losing the passport contract has had either no effect on them at all. | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
Isn't it funny how all these remainers want us to be in the EU but if we now do trade with the EU it's (why not British jobs)
One of the few benefits claimed by leave voters was a blue passport. The benefit proves to be worthless and in fact far more costly as the job to make the new style passport was given to Poland.
Please explain unless you just happen to love the colour blue how this is a benefit ??
It’s an example of this government showing their true colours ( excuse the pun) . Cheapest not best value as workers in the UK lost their jobs. This is the level of our government’s skill in calculating a benefit . Less jobs and yet more money leaving the country.
Well done Boris
I see remainers here claiming its a supposed benefit in their usual sarcastic tones.
Haven't seen any leavers say a blue passport is a benefit.
You sure it was the loss of the UK passport contract that people lost their jobs?
'The 189-year-old company said annual operating profit fell 61% to £23m for the year to 30 March, hit by a fall in currency volumes and the loss of sanctions-hit Venezuela as a customer.'
The issued 2 warnings in 2019 whilst still holding that contract.
Yes so losing a Uk government supply contract which they manufacture in the U.K. helps how exactly?
De La Rue are a private company who print for a variety of different countries. Should they lose all of their foreign contracts now and only have British contracts?
Maybe all those other countries should take their contracts back to their own countries, as you'd like for the UK. That should really help them out.
The fact is that they have been losing money and restructuring for years and the jobs losses are likely nothing to do with that one contract.
I agree with all you state but how does losing work from the U.K. government help in any way to keep those U.K. jobs? How many people actually lost their job due to the contract 10,s 100,s 1000,s 10,000,s and wasn't the reason we had to offer the contract to eu countries because we were still in due to the remainers trying to stop brexit?
A relatively hi tech UK company which employs over 2000 people mostly in the U.K. is struggling so the governments answer is to award nearly £500m of their existing business to another country weakening the company further.
De la rue questioned the validity of the winning tender which was over £100m cheaper.
But have now accepted they lost.
So now £500m of tax payers money is going to France, the Netherlands and Poland . Not one penny is being spent in the U.K. all money lost to our economy out of government incompetence.
The national security alone meant we could keep printing within the U.K. so the business could easily have been awarded to a U.K. company. We don’t have to tender it.
French passports are made by Imprimerie Nationale, the state-run French printing organisation, with the French government having made the decision not to put the job out to tender, as allowed under EU rules.
Even if it was a rule of the EU which it wasn’t why didn’t they then delay the process? They could easily have waited to be out if the EU by adding an addendum to the existing contract so on both counts your Brexit comment is not valid.
It’s just bad government at the tax payers expense yet again.
"As you say its preferable to keep contracts in the UK unless of course the saving from going elsewhere is substantial. I don't blame the government for shopping around for a better deal as its tax payers money as long as they consider all elements not just the headline figure. Obviously the current government are responsible for contracts awarded now but I doubt using foreign companies is unique to this government. I would expect both Labour and conservative governments have done it quite a bit in the past | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU. No, but it was heralded as a Brexit positive to have blue passports as our break away from the EU so the irony seems to be lost on you. " as any remainers ever mentioned blue passports it’s leavers who keep ranting on about them ffs | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU. No, but it was heralded as a Brexit positive to have blue passports as our break away from the EU so the irony seems to be lost on you. as any remainers ever mentioned blue passports it’s leavers who keep ranting on about them ffs " Got to i agree with you here I haven’t really seen brexit supporters saying anything about blue passports one way or the other, it has been the people that wished to remain who say this and the sunny uplands thing or whatever it is, I dont recall anyone from the brexit side saying this, just the remain side. To answer the ops question I voted remain but after some the antics that have surrounded the EU and there attacks on Astra zenica and there attitude towards vaccines and there production that at best slowed there rollout and at worse caused extra loss of life, millions of doses wasted that could have been given to countries that wanted them whilst Europe's leaders played political games, then I do feel this time I would vote differently. | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU. No, but it was heralded as a Brexit positive to have blue passports as our break away from the EU so the irony seems to be lost on you. as any remainers ever mentioned blue passports it’s leavers who keep ranting on about them ffs Got to i agree with you here I haven’t really seen brexit supporters saying anything about blue passports one way or the other, it has been the people that wished to remain who say this and the sunny uplands thing or whatever it is, I dont recall anyone from the brexit side saying this, just the remain side. To answer the ops question I voted remain but after some the antics that have surrounded the EU and there attacks on Astra zenica and there attitude towards vaccines and there production that at best slowed there rollout and at worse caused extra loss of life, millions of doses wasted that could have been given to countries that wanted them whilst Europe's leaders played political games, then I do feel this time I would vote differently. " Which attacks changed your mind the most ? I was annoyed at macron and his inability to communicate science. But he's not really the EU. | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU. No, but it was heralded as a Brexit positive to have blue passports as our break away from the EU so the irony seems to be lost on you. as any remainers ever mentioned blue passports it’s leavers who keep ranting on about them ffs Got to i agree with you here I haven’t really seen brexit supporters saying anything about blue passports one way or the other, it has been the people that wished to remain who say this and the sunny uplands thing or whatever it is, I dont recall anyone from the brexit side saying this, just the remain side. To answer the ops question I voted remain but after some the antics that have surrounded the EU and there attacks on Astra zenica and there attitude towards vaccines and there production that at best slowed there rollout and at worse caused extra loss of life, millions of doses wasted that could have been given to countries that wanted them whilst Europe's leaders played political games, then I do feel this time I would vote differently. Which attacks changed your mind the most ? I was annoyed at macron and his inability to communicate science. But he's not really the EU. " Thank goodness we have Boris, friend of scientists everywhere… | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU. No, but it was heralded as a Brexit positive to have blue passports as our break away from the EU so the irony seems to be lost on you. as any remainers ever mentioned blue passports it’s leavers who keep ranting on about them ffs Got to i agree with you here I haven’t really seen brexit supporters saying anything about blue passports one way or the other, it has been the people that wished to remain who say this and the sunny uplands thing or whatever it is, I dont recall anyone from the brexit side saying this, just the remain side. To answer the ops question I voted remain but after some the antics that have surrounded the EU and there attacks on Astra zenica and there attitude towards vaccines and there production that at best slowed there rollout and at worse caused extra loss of life, millions of doses wasted that could have been given to countries that wanted them whilst Europe's leaders played political games, then I do feel this time I would vote differently. Which attacks changed your mind the most ? I was annoyed at macron and his inability to communicate science. But he's not really the EU. Thank goodness we have Boris, friend of scientists everywhere… "we get the politicians we deserve | |||
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"I don't know the actual reason why they are being made in Poland though I guess they were cheaper. Does anyone have any knowledge as to is this due to brexit. In other words if we had remained in the EU with the original passports would production gave remained in the UK or gone to Poland anyway. I have not seen evidence either way so maybe some here have The contract with De La Rue was due to finish and was going to tender regardless. And please explain why giving the contract to another country is better for UK jobs? This is beyond Brexit stupid this is just poor government. It didn’t matter if it was more expensive the money kept people in work in the U.K. I also prefer contracts to be awarded to UK firms but have you any evidence it was moved to Poland because of Brexit or could it be the case this would have happened even if we were in the EU. No, but it was heralded as a Brexit positive to have blue passports as our break away from the EU so the irony seems to be lost on you. as any remainers ever mentioned blue passports it’s leavers who keep ranting on about them ffs Got to i agree with you here I haven’t really seen brexit supporters saying anything about blue passports one way or the other, it has been the people that wished to remain who say this and the sunny uplands thing or whatever it is, I dont recall anyone from the brexit side saying this, just the remain side. To answer the ops question I voted remain but after some the antics that have surrounded the EU and there attacks on Astra zenica and there attitude towards vaccines and there production that at best slowed there rollout and at worse caused extra loss of life, millions of doses wasted that could have been given to countries that wanted them whilst Europe's leaders played political games, then I do feel this time I would vote differently. Which attacks changed your mind the most ? I was annoyed at macron and his inability to communicate science. But he's not really the EU. Thank goodness we have Boris, friend of scientists everywhere… we get the politicians we deserve "Hasn't that always been the case. We get a government that wins most seats in the system we have and that every party knows very well. Not as representative as PR but we don't have that so have to deal with what we have. To change the government at least one of the other parties need to convince people to change their vote | |||
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"Are some people now arguing that getting something which is worse than what we had before is a Brexit benefit? Yes, it’s not as shit as some people said it would be, get out the bunting
I'll make sure to wave my flag extra hard, if that helps.
You just need to believe harder, and click your heels together three times.
Believed as hard as I could. Clicked my heels together like you said.
I now have 2 broken heels
And a blue passport
The irony of course being that it is printed in Poland - Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving…
But how is this possible? I thought trade with EU nations was fucked?
Have you tried getting a passport recently? & our in denial Govt don’t actually care Yep went to the post office they did it all online including the photo and got my nice new blue passport within a week.
Thank you Poland, managed to win the contract and still deliver in spite of Brexit - maybe the answer is to buy everything from the EU? Yes they print them whats the problem with that they are issued in the uk and as i said there is no problem with getting one.
Isn't it funny how all these remainers want us to be in the EU but if we now do trade with the EU it's (why not British jobs)
One of the few benefits claimed by leave voters was a blue passport. The benefit proves to be worthless and in fact far more costly as the job to make the new style passport was given to Poland.
Please explain unless you just happen to love the colour blue how this is a benefit ??
It’s an example of this government showing their true colours ( excuse the pun) . Cheapest not best value as workers in the UK lost their jobs. This is the level of our government’s skill in calculating a benefit . Less jobs and yet more money leaving the country.
Well done Boris
I see remainers here claiming its a supposed benefit in their usual sarcastic tones.
Haven't seen any leavers say a blue passport is a benefit.
You sure it was the loss of the UK passport contract that people lost their jobs?
'The 189-year-old company said annual operating profit fell 61% to £23m for the year to 30 March, hit by a fall in currency volumes and the loss of sanctions-hit Venezuela as a customer.'
The issued 2 warnings in 2019 whilst still holding that contract.
Yes so losing a Uk government supply contract which they manufacture in the U.K. helps how exactly?
De La Rue are a private company who print for a variety of different countries. Should they lose all of their foreign contracts now and only have British contracts?
Maybe all those other countries should take their contracts back to their own countries, as you'd like for the UK. That should really help them out.
The fact is that they have been losing money and restructuring for years and the jobs losses are likely nothing to do with that one contract.
I agree with all you state but how does losing work from the U.K. government help in any way to keep those U.K. jobs? How many people actually lost their job due to the contract 10,s 100,s 1000,s 10,000,s and wasn't the reason we had to offer the contract to eu countries because we were still in due to the remainers trying to stop brexit?
A relatively hi tech UK company which employs over 2000 people mostly in the U.K. is struggling so the governments answer is to award nearly £500m of their existing business to another country weakening the company further.
De la rue questioned the validity of the winning tender which was over £100m cheaper.
But have now accepted they lost.
So now £500m of tax payers money is going to France, the Netherlands and Poland . Not one penny is being spent in the U.K. all money lost to our economy out of government incompetence.
The national security alone meant we could keep printing within the U.K. so the business could easily have been awarded to a U.K. company. We don’t have to tender it.
French passports are made by Imprimerie Nationale, the state-run French printing organisation, with the French government having made the decision not to put the job out to tender, as allowed under EU rules.
Even if it was a rule of the EU which it wasn’t why didn’t they then delay the process? They could easily have waited to be out if the EU by adding an addendum to the existing contract so on both counts your Brexit comment is not valid.
It’s just bad government at the tax payers expense yet again.
As you say its preferable to keep contracts in the UK unless of course the saving from going elsewhere is substantial. I don't blame the government for shopping around for a better deal as its tax payers money as long as they consider all elements not just the headline figure. Obviously the current government are responsible for contracts awarded now but I doubt using foreign companies is unique to this government. I would expect both Labour and conservative governments have done it quite a bit in the past"Let’s assume you and your wife are the U.K. your neighbours are France. You need the lounge painting so your choice is pay your wife £100 or pay the neighbours. If your wife has the money you may benefit . If your neighbours have the money you get a little paint but they keep all the cash to spend where they like. If the neighbour does it for £50 you are still £50 down and no benefit. Sending all the money abroad at even half price does not save anything . It’s 100% cost and no benefit to the U.K. economy. I agree lots of governments have been equally guilty but the Tories claim to be the party of business. One of De la Rue’s sites Liz Truss is MP for. Like her new global deals that don’t benefit us she seems to have missed this gem too. | |||
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"Who gives a fuck it happened, now let’s move on." Only those who’s business loses out with investment and jobs put at risk. Otherwise fuck em all then until it’s your job! | |||
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"Who gives a fuck it happened, now let’s move on. Only those who’s business loses out with investment and jobs put at risk. Otherwise fuck em all then until it’s your job! " Still won’t change anything so why spend time and energy moaning about it. | |||
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