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By *drian Hardthrob OP   Man
over a year ago

Worcester

Stagnant productivity, a decade of very little wage growth, child poverty on the increase, a housing crisis made worse from the pandemic, a shrinking standard of living and now, a looming rise of inflation on the horizon...

Am I over thinking this or is the UK fucked?

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By *ugehandsMan
over a year ago

Fife/ Newcastle

Your over thinking it. But welcome to first world problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stagnant productivity, a decade of very little wage growth, child poverty on the increase, a housing crisis made worse from the pandemic, a shrinking standard of living and now, a looming rise of inflation on the horizon...

Am I over thinking this or is the UK fucked?"

I think we are on the way to failing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stagnant productivity, a decade of very little wage growth, child poverty on the increase, a housing crisis made worse from the pandemic, a shrinking standard of living and now, a looming rise of inflation on the horizon...

Am I over thinking this or is the UK fucked?"

Yep, but worrying never fixed anything (if your worried that is)

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs


"Stagnant productivity, a decade of very little wage growth, child poverty on the increase, a housing crisis made worse from the pandemic, a shrinking standard of living and now, a looming rise of inflation on the horizon...

Am I over thinking this or is the UK fucked?"
It will be for some people but not for others

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By *mateur100Man
over a year ago

nr faversham

Never understood why people want pay rises for doing the same job yet fail to understand the link to inflation.if you want a rise in real terms, get promotion or move to a better paid job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never understood why people want pay rises for doing the same job yet fail to understand the link to inflation.if you want a rise in real terms, get promotion or move to a better paid job. "

Easier said than done

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By *yphodMan
over a year ago

London

I think we as a nation have lost our way a little. Anything we get good at we then sell off. I also think as a nation we are less proud of what we do. Having worked all over Europe and especially Germany there is a very different attitude to work. On the while Germans will try and do the best they can whereas the Brits try to do as little as possible. I think that may have been due to a little over confidence, i.e. post colonial Empire and post WWII.

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By *ack4NinaCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthen

Not sure we’re a failing state. We have so much going for us in this country. We’re a get on with it, pull together nation but unfortunately this strength has been exploited and is now a weakness. Levelling up, nah it’s now a case of putting up with shit we don’t need to.

We used to be a country that others look to in times of uncertainty etc. Now, they think we’ve lost the plot!

It won’t last forever though… cycles and all that!

Good luck x

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'


"Stagnant productivity, a decade of very little wage growth, child poverty on the increase, a housing crisis made worse from the pandemic, a shrinking standard of living and now, a looming rise of inflation on the horizon...

Am I over thinking this or is the UK fucked?"

Not at all - like all countries in the World we have our problems - many of them very similar - in fact I think of any that are unique.

But we need to think like the Ghostbusters, thinking positive, acting positive, usually turns out to be positive.

Now. Lotus position and breath everybody.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never understood why people want pay rises for doing the same job yet fail to understand the link to inflation.if you want a rise in real terms, get promotion or move to a better paid job. "

Maybe they want their contribution to increased productivity or profits recognised?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Nah it’s all going to be ok.

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By *mateur100Man
over a year ago

nr faversham


"Never understood why people want pay rises for doing the same job yet fail to understand the link to inflation.if you want a rise in real terms, get promotion or move to a better paid job.

Maybe they want their contribution to increased productivity or profits recognised?"

That's as maybe but my point is it fuels inflation so in real terms there is no pay rise, in most cases it's a real terms pay cut.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never understood why people want pay rises for doing the same job yet fail to understand the link to inflation.if you want a rise in real terms, get promotion or move to a better paid job.

Maybe they want their contribution to increased productivity or profits recognised?

That's as maybe but my point is it fuels inflation so in real terms there is no pay rise, in most cases it's a real terms pay cut."

Unless pay rises match inflation, which by and large people are happy with. What people do not want is to be worse off.

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By *ack4NinaCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthen

You are partly right in that get promotion better jobs etc. But that’s a given in the society we have in the west. There’s always dangling carrots.

But, you are waaaaaaay of the mark the way you use inflation in your argument. Not going to explain it as it’s literally too big a subject. Suggest you spend the next month or so researching and coming back with a cohesive position. But suffice to say many variables not least QE or AKA free money straight off the money press . If there’s too much of something it becomes less valuable. But the products and services you procure do not devalue. Crazy eh!

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By *mateur100Man
over a year ago

nr faversham


"You are partly right in that get promotion better jobs etc. But that’s a given in the society we have in the west. There’s always dangling carrots.

But, you are waaaaaaay of the mark the way you use inflation in your argument. Not going to explain it as it’s literally too big a subject. Suggest you spend the next month or so researching and coming back with a cohesive position. But suffice to say many variables not least QE or AKA free money straight off the money press . If there’s too much of something it becomes less valuable. But the products and services you procure do not devalue. Crazy eh! "

Pay rises are one of the causes of inflation

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By *ack4NinaCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthen

Awwww bless.

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast

it carnt be that bad theres plenty swimming to get in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it carnt be that bad theres plenty swimming to get in"

Swimming ?

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

quite a turn up - usually people argue wages are to low and want pay rises especially for the lowest pay. Now its a bad thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never understood why people want pay rises for doing the same job yet fail to understand the link to inflation.if you want a rise in real terms, get promotion or move to a better paid job. "

What kinda horseshit theory is that?! Surely inflation means the worth of everything goes up?! I don't want promotion or a different job, I like my job already! It should still pay me properly!

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By *mateur100Man
over a year ago

nr faversham


"Never understood why people want pay rises for doing the same job yet fail to understand the link to inflation.if you want a rise in real terms, get promotion or move to a better paid job.

What kinda horseshit theory is that?! Surely inflation means the worth of everything goes up?! I don't want promotion or a different job, I like my job already! It should still pay me properly! "

It means the cost of everything goes up. An inflation level pay rise will mean you are worse off

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By *ack4NinaCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthen

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes


"Never understood why people want pay rises for doing the same job yet fail to understand the link to inflation.if you want a rise in real terms, get promotion or move to a better paid job.

What kinda horseshit theory is that?! Surely inflation means the worth of everything goes up?! I don't want promotion or a different job, I like my job already! It should still pay me properly!

It means the cost of everything goes up. An inflation level pay rise will mean you are worse off"

Not everything goes up the same as the inflation rate and in fact some fall in value to. The rate is based on certain items only and is an average of those items.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Inflation is just a small part…the real threats at a governmental level are the wilful dismissal of existential threats such as covid/climate change and the erosion of democracy and human rights….oh and the vileness of ‘culture wars’ and the stoking of racism and xenophobia. Unless the other parties unite to get rid of the nasty party we’re heading for a one party state and perpetual inequality…not failed yet but certainly at risk

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"Inflation is just a small part…the real threats at a governmental level are the wilful dismissal of existential threats such as covid/climate change and the erosion of democracy and human rights….oh and the vileness of ‘culture wars’ and the stoking of racism and xenophobia. Unless the other parties unite to get rid of the nasty party we’re heading for a one party state and perpetual inequality…not failed yet but certainly at risk "
you have more chance of winning the lottery than getting the other partys to join forces,i saw something online earlier of starmer praising blair that should make those left supporting the labour parry happy i dont think

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

As long as the Bank of England keeps printing money we`re ok.

Inflation, National Debt are all private institutions trick to get the public to dip in their pockets. Reduce your spending increase your saving will avoid all the trickery thrown your way.

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By *ack4NinaCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthen


"As long as the Bank of England keeps printing money we`re ok.

Inflation, National Debt are all private institutions trick to get the public to dip in their pockets. Reduce your spending increase your saving will avoid all the trickery thrown your way. "

Actually as long as the Bank of England prints money we’re certainly NOT going to be ok. Or to be more precise those who are unaware (that amateur fella posting ) and those not prepared and finally those without hard assets will fall further behind as inflation kicks in. There seems to be a serious misunderstanding of what inflation actually is.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

We are told U.K. is a rich country but is it ? £2.2 Trillion in debt and rising , 37 th in the world on living standards , if we where a state in the USA U.K. would be second poorest state per person

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure if we are failing... But I feel we over inflate out sense of self worth and turn a blind eye to hard questions.

Unfortunately we are in a period of having to be right or wrong, which implies simple questions. So I'm not expecting a big change soon ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not sure if we are failing... But I feel we over inflate out sense of self worth and turn a blind eye to hard questions.

Unfortunately we are in a period of having to be right or wrong, which implies simple questions. So I'm not expecting a big change soon ..."

Sadly agree

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By *sussexyMan
over a year ago

Lewes


"Stagnant productivity, a decade of very little wage growth, child poverty on the increase, a housing crisis made worse from the pandemic, a shrinking standard of living and now, a looming rise of inflation on the horizon...

Am I over thinking this or is the UK fucked?

Not at all - like all countries in the World we have our problems - many of them very similar - in fact I think of any that are unique.

But we need to think like the Ghostbusters, thinking positive, acting positive, usually turns out to be positive.

Now. Lotus position and breath everybody.

"

Lotus position....

Is that the one with your head in the sand?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Stagnant productivity, a decade of very little wage growth, child poverty on the increase, a housing crisis made worse from the pandemic, a shrinking standard of living and now, a looming rise of inflation on the horizon...

Am I over thinking this or is the UK fucked?"
Try looking at the investment and jobs being created, only today a wind farm turbine blade factory in Hull has announced it going to double in size there is good news all about if you care to look for it but only the doom and gloom makes the news these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stagnant productivity, a decade of very little wage growth, child poverty on the increase, a housing crisis made worse from the pandemic, a shrinking standard of living and now, a looming rise of inflation on the horizon...

Am I over thinking this or is the UK fucked?

Not at all - like all countries in the World we have our problems - many of them very similar - in fact I think of any that are unique.

But we need to think like the Ghostbusters, thinking positive, acting positive, usually turns out to be positive.

Now. Lotus position and breath everybody.

Lotus position....

Is that the one with your head in the sand?"

, there is a new yoga Brexit position, eyes shut, head up your arse, thinking about unicorns

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast


"Stagnant productivity, a decade of very little wage growth, child poverty on the increase, a housing crisis made worse from the pandemic, a shrinking standard of living and now, a looming rise of inflation on the horizon...

Am I over thinking this or is the UK fucked?Try looking at the investment and jobs being created, only today a wind farm turbine blade factory in Hull has announced it going to double in size there is good news all about if you care to look for it but only the doom and gloom makes the news these days."

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By *lixerMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

What kept the UK in existence for a long period was an empire from which to draw (steal) raw materials; it is a shadow of its former self and trade has shifted to a new area; the east. It is now on a steep path of decline.

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

Surely what will define the uk either way will be brexit

In a couple of years or so we should know the answer.

when the dust settles.

It will either be a success or failure ergo uk will either succees or fail with it

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

Succeed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yet, still one of the best place where to live that grants you a job and a life :p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The ???? gives everyone an opportunity, then if things go wrong they pay your rent and ensure you are helped to contribute. We are so lucky but we complain

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By *pertureTV/TS
over a year ago

New Ferry, wirral in stockings and sussies

already failed, with some of the most corrupt and venal politicians in the world.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"Surely what will define the uk either way will be brexit

In a couple of years or so we should know the answer.

when the dust settles.

It will either be a success or failure ergo uk will either succees or fail with it

"

Newsflash: Brexit is already a failure. Biggest fuck up that any country has voluntarily inflicted upon itself.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Surely what will define the uk either way will be brexit

In a couple of years or so we should know the answer.

when the dust settles.

It will either be a success or failure ergo uk will either succees or fail with it

Newsflash: Brexit is already a failure. Biggest fuck up that any country has voluntarily inflicted upon itself."

Interesting then that so many are risking their lives to come and live here? I mean if its so bad why are 1000 a day swimming across the channel? Just a thought.

There's a lot wrong. But there's clrarly a lot right.

Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining some of these folks should be asking as jfk said.. "ask not what your country can do for you. But ask what you can do for your country".

So.. What are you / we / me going to do to make it better?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"Surely what will define the uk either way will be brexit

In a couple of years or so we should know the answer.

when the dust settles.

It will either be a success or failure ergo uk will either succees or fail with it

Newsflash: Brexit is already a failure. Biggest fuck up that any country has voluntarily inflicted upon itself.

Interesting then that so many are risking their lives to come and live here? I mean if its so bad why are 1000 a day swimming across the channel? Just a thought.

There's a lot wrong. But there's clrarly a lot right.

Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining some of these folks should be asking as jfk said.. "ask not what your country can do for you. But ask what you can do for your country".

So.. What are you / we / me going to do to make it better?

"

Two points:

1. Perhaps thousands are risking there lives in the channel to get to England because even with the fuck ups our successive governments have made here, it is still preferable to the hell holes that the British have turned their countries into by centuries of colonisation and fighting our wars on their land.

2. Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining, some of the brexit architects and supporters should put their big girl pants on, admit what a fuck up they have caused, and do something to start fixing it.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Surely what will define the uk either way will be brexit

In a couple of years or so we should know the answer.

when the dust settles.

It will either be a success or failure ergo uk will either succees or fail with it

Newsflash: Brexit is already a failure. Biggest fuck up that any country has voluntarily inflicted upon itself.

Interesting then that so many are risking their lives to come and live here? I mean if its so bad why are 1000 a day swimming across the channel? Just a thought.

There's a lot wrong. But there's clrarly a lot right.

Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining some of these folks should be asking as jfk said.. "ask not what your country can do for you. But ask what you can do for your country".

So.. What are you / we / me going to do to make it better?

Two points:

1. Perhaps thousands are risking there lives in the channel to get to England because even with the fuck ups our successive governments have made here, it is still preferable to the hell holes that the British have turned their countries into by centuries of colonisation and fighting our wars on their land.

2. Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining, some of the brexit architects and supporters should put their big girl pants on, admit what a fuck up they have caused, and do something to start fixing it."
how would you like them to fix it ?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"Surely what will define the uk either way will be brexit

In a couple of years or so we should know the answer.

when the dust settles.

It will either be a success or failure ergo uk will either succees or fail with it

Newsflash: Brexit is already a failure. Biggest fuck up that any country has voluntarily inflicted upon itself.

Interesting then that so many are risking their lives to come and live here? I mean if its so bad why are 1000 a day swimming across the channel? Just a thought.

There's a lot wrong. But there's clrarly a lot right.

Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining some of these folks should be asking as jfk said.. "ask not what your country can do for you. But ask what you can do for your country".

So.. What are you / we / me going to do to make it better?

Two points:

1. Perhaps thousands are risking there lives in the channel to get to England because even with the fuck ups our successive governments have made here, it is still preferable to the hell holes that the British have turned their countries into by centuries of colonisation and fighting our wars on their land.

2. Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining, some of the brexit architects and supporters should put their big girl pants on, admit what a fuck up they have caused, and do something to start fixing it.how would you like them to fix it ?"

Not a bloody clue. They're the ones that have broken it though, so a decent first step would be to fess up that they've fucked up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely what will define the uk either way will be brexit

In a couple of years or so we should know the answer.

when the dust settles.

It will either be a success or failure ergo uk will either succees or fail with it

Newsflash: Brexit is already a failure. Biggest fuck up that any country has voluntarily inflicted upon itself.

Interesting then that so many are risking their lives to come and live here? I mean if its so bad why are 1000 a day swimming across the channel? Just a thought.

There's a lot wrong. But there's clrarly a lot right.

Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining some of these folks should be asking as jfk said.. "ask not what your country can do for you. But ask what you can do for your country".

So.. What are you / we / me going to do to make it better?

Two points:

1. Perhaps thousands are risking there lives in the channel to get to England because even with the fuck ups our successive governments have made here, it is still preferable to the hell holes that the British have turned their countries into by centuries of colonisation and fighting our wars on their land.

2. Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining, some of the brexit architects and supporters should put their big girl pants on, admit what a fuck up they have caused, and do something to start fixing it."

1. The British ate the cause of every country that is a hell hole? That's a bit of a wild statement.

2. I haven't seen any Brexit supporters complaining or whining on here. Care to point some out?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Surely what will define the uk either way will be brexit

In a couple of years or so we should know the answer.

when the dust settles.

It will either be a success or failure ergo uk will either succees or fail with it

Newsflash: Brexit is already a failure. Biggest fuck up that any country has voluntarily inflicted upon itself.

Interesting then that so many are risking their lives to come and live here? I mean if its so bad why are 1000 a day swimming across the channel? Just a thought.

There's a lot wrong. But there's clrarly a lot right.

Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining some of these folks should be asking as jfk said.. "ask not what your country can do for you. But ask what you can do for your country".

So.. What are you / we / me going to do to make it better?

Two points:

1. Perhaps thousands are risking there lives in the channel to get to England because even with the fuck ups our successive governments have made here, it is still preferable to the hell holes that the British have turned their countries into by centuries of colonisation and fighting our wars on their land.

2. Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining, some of the brexit architects and supporters should put their big girl pants on, admit what a fuck up they have caused, and do something to start fixing it."

So just as a simple question. Do you think that we should not have been helping to try and defeat the taliban? I mean it was either wrong to try... In which case we have stopped trying so you should be happy that we have now withdrawn our services. Or it was right to try and our withdrawal from the nation building efforts is wrong. You cant have it both ways.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"Surely what will define the uk either way will be brexit

In a couple of years or so we should know the answer.

when the dust settles.

It will either be a success or failure ergo uk will either succees or fail with it

Newsflash: Brexit is already a failure. Biggest fuck up that any country has voluntarily inflicted upon itself.

Interesting then that so many are risking their lives to come and live here? I mean if its so bad why are 1000 a day swimming across the channel? Just a thought.

There's a lot wrong. But there's clrarly a lot right.

Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining some of these folks should be asking as jfk said.. "ask not what your country can do for you. But ask what you can do for your country".

So.. What are you / we / me going to do to make it better?

Two points:

1. Perhaps thousands are risking there lives in the channel to get to England because even with the fuck ups our successive governments have made here, it is still preferable to the hell holes that the British have turned their countries into by centuries of colonisation and fighting our wars on their land.

2. Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining, some of the brexit architects and supporters should put their big girl pants on, admit what a fuck up they have caused, and do something to start fixing it.

So just as a simple question. Do you think that we should not have been helping to try and defeat the taliban? I mean it was either wrong to try... In which case we have stopped trying so you should be happy that we have now withdrawn our services. Or it was right to try and our withdrawal from the nation building efforts is wrong. You cant have it both ways. "

Perhaps you should reread the thread. The topic is brexit, nobody was talking about the taliban. The question you asked was what would you/we/me do about brexit, my reply was that the first step should be for the brexit architects to admit what a mess they have made because absolutely nothing can be done while the ones that caused it are still claiming that everything is rainbows and unicorns.

PS. My point 1 was still nothing to do with the taliban, and everything to do with refugees trying to come here from all over the world after centuries of the British colonising anywhere that they could, mistreating the peoples that lived there, fighting wars in their countries, stealing their wealth. The taliban have got rock all to do with why we owe a debt to people from Nigeria (exploiting their oil), the West Indies (building fortunes on involuntary labour in plantations), India (the East India Company) and any number of other countries. Before you say it, no we weren't the only ones involved in wrecking these places but we had one of the biggest empires and hence owe one of the biggest debts.

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells


"Stagnant productivity, a decade of very little wage growth, child poverty on the increase, a housing crisis made worse from the pandemic, a shrinking standard of living and now, a looming rise of inflation on the horizon...

Am I over thinking this or is the UK fucked?"

You are definitely over thinking this. Although to be fair this is probably one of worse times the country has had in your lifetime. You've lived through a couple of recessions and that's about it.

If you were around in the 1970's and early 80's you would see how much better the country is now. Back then.

Most of the country was on strike.

Miners striking for over 30% pay increase.

Three day working week.

No rubbish collection for months.

Massive unemployment.

Lots of riots.

Lots of power cuts.

Etc etc.

Things are not good at the moment but they will improve.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Stagnant productivity, a decade of very little wage growth, child poverty on the increase, a housing crisis made worse from the pandemic, a shrinking standard of living and now, a looming rise of inflation on the horizon...

Am I over thinking this or is the UK fucked?

You are definitely over thinking this. Although to be fair this is probably one of worse times the country has had in your lifetime. You've lived through a couple of recessions and that's about it.

If you were around in the 1970's and early 80's you would see how much better the country is now. Back then.

Most of the country was on strike.

Miners striking for over 30% pay increase.

Three day working week.

No rubbish collection for months.

Massive unemployment.

Lots of riots.

Lots of power cuts.

Etc etc.

Things are not good at the moment but they will improve.

"

Very true... Also a bit more awareness and education about what is happening in states that are genuinely failed might help answer the question.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Surely what will define the uk either way will be brexit

In a couple of years or so we should know the answer.

when the dust settles.

It will either be a success or failure ergo uk will either succees or fail with it

Newsflash: Brexit is already a failure. Biggest fuck up that any country has voluntarily inflicted upon itself.

Interesting then that so many are risking their lives to come and live here? I mean if its so bad why are 1000 a day swimming across the channel? Just a thought.

There's a lot wrong. But there's clrarly a lot right.

Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining some of these folks should be asking as jfk said.. "ask not what your country can do for you. But ask what you can do for your country".

So.. What are you / we / me going to do to make it better?

Two points:

1. Perhaps thousands are risking there lives in the channel to get to England because even with the fuck ups our successive governments have made here, it is still preferable to the hell holes that the British have turned their countries into by centuries of colonisation and fighting our wars on their land.

2. Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining, some of the brexit architects and supporters should put their big girl pants on, admit what a fuck up they have caused, and do something to start fixing it.

So just as a simple question. Do you think that we should not have been helping to try and defeat the taliban? I mean it was either wrong to try... In which case we have stopped trying so you should be happy that we have now withdrawn our services. Or it was right to try and our withdrawal from the nation building efforts is wrong. You cant have it both ways.

Perhaps you should reread the thread. The topic is brexit, nobody was talking about the taliban. The question you asked was what would you/we/me do about brexit, my reply was that the first step should be for the brexit architects to admit what a mess they have made because absolutely nothing can be done while the ones that caused it are still claiming that everything is rainbows and unicorns.

PS. My point 1 was still nothing to do with the taliban, and everything to do with refugees trying to come here from all over the world after centuries of the British colonising anywhere that they could, mistreating the peoples that lived there, fighting wars in their countries, stealing their wealth. The taliban have got rock all to do with why we owe a debt to people from Nigeria (exploiting their oil), the West Indies (building fortunes on involuntary labour in plantations), India (the East India Company) and any number of other countries. Before you say it, no we weren't the only ones involved in wrecking these places but we had one of the biggest empires and hence owe one of the biggest debts."

Perhaps you should re read the op...

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare


"

Things are not good at the moment but they will improve.

"

You dont know that.

In normal circumstances yes this is what you would say.

Things move in cycles,ups and downs.

But with brexit nothing is garunteed

It will either succeed or fail

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells


"

Things are not good at the moment but they will improve.

You dont know that.

In normal circumstances yes this is what you would say.

Things move in cycles,ups and downs.

But with brexit nothing is garunteed

It will either succeed or fail"

It will improve, I don't know when but it will definitely improve.

With the will of government and people things will improve. Most people like to improve their lives.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"Surely what will define the uk either way will be brexit

In a couple of years or so we should know the answer.

when the dust settles.

It will either be a success or failure ergo uk will either succees or fail with it

Newsflash: Brexit is already a failure. Biggest fuck up that any country has voluntarily inflicted upon itself.

Interesting then that so many are risking their lives to come and live here? I mean if its so bad why are 1000 a day swimming across the channel? Just a thought.

There's a lot wrong. But there's clrarly a lot right.

Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining some of these folks should be asking as jfk said.. "ask not what your country can do for you. But ask what you can do for your country".

So.. What are you / we / me going to do to make it better?

Two points:

1. Perhaps thousands are risking there lives in the channel to get to England because even with the fuck ups our successive governments have made here, it is still preferable to the hell holes that the British have turned their countries into by centuries of colonisation and fighting our wars on their land.

2. Perhaps rather than constant complaining and whining, some of the brexit architects and supporters should put their big girl pants on, admit what a fuck up they have caused, and do something to start fixing it.

1. The British ate the cause of every country that is a hell hole? That's a bit of a wild statement.

2. I haven't seen any Brexit supporters complaining or whining on here. Care to point some out?"

Ref brexit - first three sentences of quoted section - my comments are direct response to that post and to subsequent discussion.

Ref British responsibility for troubles elsewhere in world and hence debt owed to refugees and asylum seekers - see my comments elsewhere in this thread. UK is not the only one to have exploited other countries for centuries, but given size of British empire that was built on suffering of others, UK does owe plenty.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Stagnant productivity, a decade of very little wage growth, child poverty on the increase, a housing crisis made worse from the pandemic, a shrinking standard of living and now, a looming rise of inflation on the horizon...

Am I over thinking this or is the UK fucked?

You are definitely over thinking this. Although to be fair this is probably one of worse times the country has had in your lifetime. You've lived through a couple of recessions and that's about it.

If you were around in the 1970's and early 80's you would see how much better the country is now. Back then.

Most of the country was on strike.

Miners striking for over 30% pay increase.

Three day working week.

No rubbish collection for months.

Massive unemployment.

Lots of riots.

Lots of power cuts.

Etc etc.

Things are not good at the moment but they will improve.

"

The 1970’s were not that bad actually.

There was no such thing as zero hours contracts and there was a real middle-class in society and it contained unskilled people who had well-paid and secure jobs, jobs for life in some cases. Families could comfortably buy a house and own a car.

The end of the “comfortable” post-war era came with Thatcherism when the entire structure of the economy shifted from people, to profit.

The 1970’s really were not all bad. As always, some jobs and some industries were fraught, but for the rest, especially unskilled people in secure jobs - life was quite comfortable.

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