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"Gavin Williamson has explained that if we can improve Latin skills it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America. "et stultus! | |||
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"Gavin Williamson has explained that if we can improve Latin skills it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America. "Serously? | |||
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"Gavin Williamson has explained that if we can improve Latin skills it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America. "I can find articles about Gavin Williamson wanting to introduce Latin to some schools, but I can't find anything where he says "it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America." Have you got the link for this? | |||
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"I was fortunate enough to be taught Latin and Classical Greek at school. It's given me an insight and appreciation of the English language (ever noticed though, that all our military terms are French - surveillance, reconnaissance, curfew etc., and it must break the hearts of some radio operators to be obliged to say "M'aidez", "seelonce feenee (silence fini)" or "(en) Panne Panne"), but was no help whatsoever in learning German, French or Spanish, and was a positive disadvantage when I attempted to learn (modern) Greek. IMHO a great idea, but the reasoning behind it absolute nonsense..." I'm sure it will be absolutely invaluable in day to day life. I'm sure there isnt a practical solution which cant be solved with a basic grasp of latin  | |||
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"Latin, and its history, is a useful tool in law, medicine, science, music, theology, philosophy, art, and literature. Luckily for you guys, it's not a requirement for a job in McDonalds. "What's wrong with working in Macdonalds? | |||
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"Latin, and its history, is a useful tool in law, medicine, science, music, theology, philosophy, art, and literature. Luckily for you guys, it's not a requirement for a job in McDonalds.
What's wrong with working in Macdonalds?"Nothing, if that's all you aspire to. Anyway, why learn Latin when basic English is such a struggle? | |||
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"Well, lets what it's useful for: Medical. Great for a Career as a Doctor or Surgeon Or other health professional. Most Sciences have a base root in Latin. Great for careers in physics or teaching or astrophysics. Et-al. Learning other Languages: Such as Chinese, Russian, German. Have common word roots. Which is great for business people and learning and teaching languages. Most of the philosophies have a root in Latin. So add teaching too. Theology has probably the deepest Latin roots of all. Law. Latin has deep roots in Latin and is quoted almost daily by Law professionals, and most of our Laws have titular meaning. Beyond that - there's not much to Learning Latin at all. " Absolutely. For kids who are high academic achievers learning latin is incredibly useful. | |||
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"Well, lets what it's useful for: Medical. Great for a Career as a Doctor or Surgeon Or other health professional. Most Sciences have a base root in Latin. Great for careers in physics or teaching or astrophysics. Et-al. Learning other Languages: Such as Chinese, Russian, German. Have common word roots. Which is great for business people and learning and teaching languages. Most of the philosophies have a root in Latin. So add teaching too. Theology has probably the deepest Latin roots of all. Law. Latin has deep roots in Latin and is quoted almost daily by Law professionals, and most of our Laws have titular meaning. Beyond that - there's not much to Learning Latin at all. Absolutely. For kids who are high academic achievers learning latin is incredibly useful." Indeed - I missed Structured Grammar from my main list. | |||
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"Latin, and its history, is a useful tool in law, medicine, science, music, theology, philosophy, art, and literature. Luckily for you guys, it's not a requirement for a job in McDonalds.
What's wrong with working in Macdonalds?
Nothing, if that's all you aspire to. Anyway, why learn Latin when basic English is such a struggle? "So everyone you works in Macdonalds will be there for life? Are you saying I struggle with basic English? | |||
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"Still waiting for the link to an article where it states "it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America." As none have so far been offered, I can only assume that this part is a lie. Other than that, it's a minister wanting to introduce further education that could potentially be useful in careers that require a bit more than basic skills. What kind of dimwit can possibly argue against education?" Who cant understand basic English? | |||
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"One only has to look at the magnificent eloquence of our PM , to see how invaluable it would be. "I wouldn’t rate his use of the English language let alone Latin. | |||
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"Lots of scoffing over something that could prove useful for the younger generation. Master one Latin based language and the rest come easy. It’s not actually a bad idea. " It does make one wonder what other forms of education some people have scoffed at and ignored throughout their lives. However, floors don't sweep themselves. | |||
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"Lots of scoffing over something that could prove useful for the younger generation. Master one Latin based language and the rest come easy. It’s not actually a bad idea. It does make one wonder what other forms of education some people have scoffed at and ignored throughout their lives. However, floors don't sweep themselves. "I think that the point of the OP was to scoff at a Government Minister for suggesting we have a bit more of what has 'always' made the country tick. Latin is so deeply set into everything we are and do, as to be an irremovable facet of our cultural makeup. It has been proved above that to scoff at that notion was just plainly wrong. | |||
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"Lots of scoffing over something that could prove useful for the younger generation. Master one Latin based language and the rest come easy. It’s not actually a bad idea. It does make one wonder what other forms of education some people have scoffed at and ignored throughout their lives. However, floors don't sweep themselves. "When you said unable to speak english were you including yourself ,as you seem unable to answer a simple question? So far you have implied people on here work for McDonalds and sweep floors.. mocking their supposed levels of education. Are you aware there are rules about insulting people or do you need a hand reading them? | |||
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"Pot,kettle,black" Is that Latin? | |||
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"Lots of scoffing over something that could prove useful for the younger generation. Master one Latin based language and the rest come easy. It’s not actually a bad idea. It does make one wonder what other forms of education some people have scoffed at and ignored throughout their lives. However, floors don't sweep themselves.
When you said unable to speak english were you including yourself ,as you seem unable to answer a simple question?
So far you have implied people on here work for McDonalds and sweep floors.. mocking their supposed levels of education.
Are you aware there are rules about insulting people or do you need a hand reading them?
"The word "English" has a capital "E", and unless you're blind, one uses ones eyes to read so I wouldn't need a "hand". Good effort, though - when are you next free to sweep my floors? | |||
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"Lots of scoffing over something that could prove useful for the younger generation. Master one Latin based language and the rest come easy. It’s not actually a bad idea. It does make one wonder what other forms of education some people have scoffed at and ignored throughout their lives. However, floors don't sweep themselves.
When you said unable to speak english were you including yourself ,as you seem unable to answer a simple question?
So far you have implied people on here work for McDonalds and sweep floors.. mocking their supposed levels of education.
Are you aware there are rules about insulting people or do you need a hand reading them?
The word "English" has a capital "E", and unless you're blind, one uses ones eyes to read so I wouldn't need a "hand". Good effort, though - when are you next free to sweep my floors? "Ha ha Sorted | |||
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"Lots of scoffing over something that could prove useful for the younger generation. Master one Latin based language and the rest come easy. It’s not actually a bad idea. It does make one wonder what other forms of education some people have scoffed at and ignored throughout their lives. However, floors don't sweep themselves.
When you said unable to speak english were you including yourself ,as you seem unable to answer a simple question?
So far you have implied people on here work for McDonalds and sweep floors.. mocking their supposed levels of education.
Are you aware there are rules about insulting people or do you need a hand reading them?
The word "English" has a capital "E", and unless you're blind, one uses ones eyes to read so I wouldn't need a "hand". Good effort, though - when are you next free to sweep my floors?
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"Still waiting for the link to an article where it states "it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America." As none have so far been offered, I can only assume that this part is a lie. Other than that, it's a minister wanting to introduce further education that could potentially be useful in careers that require a bit more than basic skills. What kind of dimwit can possibly argue against education?" Would you fund Latin or Maths if you had a limited budget . No one argues against education. The discussion is priorities surely? | |||
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"I'm still waiting for the link to an article where it states "it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America." Falsely embellishing a fact with a lie does not make the whole post factual." Got to say after some searching I cannot find where it is said to "enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America". Like I said my son has been learning this for the last year or so at his local school and I would agree with some others here it has helped him with learning French to the point where he has now chosen French language as a option for his exams which was definitely not something he was keen on a couple of years ago so I actually think it has had a positive affect for him. | |||
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"Latin was taught in my school to a select few. They were rubbish at physics so Latin was the alternative. I only know of three of them today. Ones a pilot so of no use, ones a receptionist if she tried using it she’d be sacked, and the third is a farmer’s wife so maybe she uses it to speak to the vet!, I’m all for broadening education but being better at maths and english would be more appropriate to get funding attention. Life skills would help too such as how to manage money. Given that English is the most internationally spoken language followed by Spanish we are well tooled up for international travel and trade. " Where as it was taught at my School and some of the alumini have gone on to great things. I wouldn’t discount it. The Maths and English being on point should be par for the course. I also agree life skills such as budgeting should be part of the curriculum. We used to have a woeful thing called General Studies for A level and that was a waste of time. | |||
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"Latin was taught in my school to a select few. They were rubbish at physics so Latin was the alternative. I only know of three of them today. Ones a pilot so of no use, ones a receptionist if she tried using it she’d be sacked, and the third is a farmer’s wife so maybe she uses it to speak to the vet!, I’m all for broadening education but being better at maths and english would be more appropriate to get funding attention. Life skills would help too such as how to manage money. Given that English is the most internationally spoken language followed by Spanish we are well tooled up for international travel and trade. Where as it was taught at my School and some of the alumini have gone on to great things. I wouldn’t discount it. The Maths and English being on point should be par for the course. I also agree life skills such as budgeting should be part of the curriculum. We used to have a woeful thing called General Studies for A level and that was a waste of time. " Your pint is valid but seeing how even the basic skills are missing in maths etc then Latin is not a priority for the vast majority and shou,d not be given priority over other more widely useful subjects! | |||
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"Still waiting for the link to an article where it states "it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America." As none have so far been offered, I can only assume that this part is a lie. Other than that, it's a minister wanting to introduce further education that could potentially be useful in careers that require a bit more than basic skills. What kind of dimwit can possibly argue against education? Would you fund Latin or Maths if you had a limited budget . No one argues against education. The discussion is priorities surely? " Well, let's see what it's useful for: Medical. Great for a Career as a Doctor or Surgeon Or other health professional. Most Sciences have a base root in Latin. Great for careers in physics or teaching or astrophysics. Et-al. Learning other Languages: Such as Chinese, Russian, German. Have common word roots. Which is great for business people and learning and teaching languages. Most of the philosophies have a root in Latin. So add teaching too. Theology has probably the deepest Latin roots of all. Law. Latin has deep roots in Latin and is quoted almost daily by Law professionals, and most of our Laws have titular meaning. Latin serves to teach: Structured Grammar. Beyond that - there's not much to Learning Latin at all. Education doesn’t have to be 'either or', it can just as often be 'as well as'. | |||
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"Latin was taught in my school to a select few. They were rubbish at physics so Latin was the alternative. I only know of three of them today. Ones a pilot so of no use, ones a receptionist if she tried using it she’d be sacked, and the third is a farmer’s wife so maybe she uses it to speak to the vet!, I’m all for broadening education but being better at maths and english would be more appropriate to get funding attention. Life skills would help too such as how to manage money. Given that English is the most internationally spoken language followed by Spanish we are well tooled up for international travel and trade. Where as it was taught at my School and some of the alumini have gone on to great things. I wouldn’t discount it. The Maths and English being on point should be par for the course. I also agree life skills such as budgeting should be part of the curriculum. We used to have a woeful thing called General Studies for A level and that was a waste of time. Your pint is valid but seeing how even the basic skills are missing in maths etc then Latin is not a priority for the vast majority and shou,d not be given priority over other more widely useful subjects! " I don’t think it is being given priority? | |||
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"Latin was taught in my school to a select few. They were rubbish at physics so Latin was the alternative. I only know of three of them today. Ones a pilot so of no use, ones a receptionist if she tried using it she’d be sacked, and the third is a farmer’s wife so maybe she uses it to speak to the vet!, I’m all for broadening education but being better at maths and english would be more appropriate to get funding attention. Life skills would help too such as how to manage money. Given that English is the most internationally spoken language followed by Spanish we are well tooled up for international travel and trade. Where as it was taught at my School and some of the alumini have gone on to great things. I wouldn’t discount it. The Maths and English being on point should be par for the course. I also agree life skills such as budgeting should be part of the curriculum. We used to have a woeful thing called General Studies for A level and that was a waste of time. Your pint is valid but seeing how even the basic skills are missing in maths etc then Latin is not a priority for the vast majority and shou,d not be given priority over other more widely useful subjects! I don’t think it is being given priority? " I admit I don’t know as not read the full announcement. Funding is limited though and if there’s spare then fine with me. So good to go. Do we have spare funding? | |||
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"Latin was taught in my school to a select few. They were rubbish at physics so Latin was the alternative. I only know of three of them today. Ones a pilot so of no use, ones a receptionist if she tried using it she’d be sacked, and the third is a farmer’s wife so maybe she uses it to speak to the vet!, I’m all for broadening education but being better at maths and english would be more appropriate to get funding attention. Life skills would help too such as how to manage money. Given that English is the most internationally spoken language followed by Spanish we are well tooled up for international travel and trade. Where as it was taught at my School and some of the alumini have gone on to great things. I wouldn’t discount it. The Maths and English being on point should be par for the course. I also agree life skills such as budgeting should be part of the curriculum. We used to have a woeful thing called General Studies for A level and that was a waste of time. Your pint is valid but seeing how even the basic skills are missing in maths etc then Latin is not a priority for the vast majority and shou,d not be given priority over other more widely useful subjects! I don’t think it is being given priority? I admit I don’t know as not read the full announcement. Funding is limited though and if there’s spare then fine with me. So good to go. Do we have spare funding? " Yeah think 4m has been set aside for it. I’m all for it. It’s worth a trial. | |||
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" Yeah think 4m has been set aside for it. I’m all for it. It’s worth a trial. " I'm still shocked that it isn't already/still taught! | |||
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"I'm still waiting for the link to an article where it states "it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America." Falsely embellishing a fact with a lie does not make the whole post factual." Maybe it was in a French newspaper as i cant find anything either. | |||
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"Any chance we can take the arguing elsewhere please? " Maybe if you had picked up on the person who 1st started thrwowlmg out insults..you may have a degree of legitimacy. As it is.. no your ok. | |||
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"Any chance we can take the arguing elsewhere please? Maybe if you had picked up on the person who 1st started thrwowlmg out insults..you may have a degree of legitimacy. As it is.. no your ok." So you want to continue arguing? Why? | |||
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"How about you ALL quit with the arguing and just once talk about the OP?" Nah your ok Some of us have issues with people saying you cant read because you dont agree with them. | |||
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"How about you ALL quit with the arguing and just once talk about the OP? Nah your ok Some of us have issues with people saying you cant read because you dont agree with them." Then use the reply privately button or complain to a MOD. | |||
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"Any chance we can take the arguing elsewhere please? Maybe if you had picked up on the person who 1st started thrwowlmg out insults..you may have a degree of legitimacy. As it is.. no your ok. So you want to continue arguing? Why? " Because when someone makes cracks about Macdknalds and sweeping floors,they should be picked up outside ,and not just agreed with as they arent criticising the gmnt. | |||
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"Any chance we can take the arguing elsewhere please? Maybe if you had picked up on the person who 1st started thrwowlmg out insults..you may have a degree of legitimacy. As it is.. no your ok. So you want to continue arguing? Why? Because when someone makes cracks about Macdknalds and sweeping floors,they should be picked up outside ,and not just agreed with as they arent criticising the gmnt." Nobody agreed with them to the best of my knowledge. You were left to it. Just chill. | |||
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"Lots of scoffing over something that could prove useful for the younger generation. Master one Latin based language and the rest come easy. It’s not actually a bad idea. It does make one wonder what other forms of education some people have scoffed at and ignored throughout their lives. However, floors don't sweep themselves.
When you said unable to speak english were you including yourself ,as you seem unable to answer a simple question?
So far you have implied people on here work for McDonalds and sweep floors.. mocking their supposed levels of education.
Are you aware there are rules about insulting people or do you need a hand reading them?
The word "English" has a capital "E", and unless you're blind, one uses ones eyes to read so I wouldn't need a "hand". Good effort, though - when are you next free to sweep my floors?
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Sorted out. Just using the word "sorted" with no grammar or reference is meaningless.
You walked into that one old chap
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Forming sentences properly and using full stops are tough skills to master, but you'll get there one day. Keep at it slugger.
May I ask why you’re using thumbs at the beginning and end of you’re sentences?
Seriously? The thumb at the beginning of my post was at the bottom of the post I was quoting, so was automatically re-quoted along with the text.
So you ended with a thumb! You’re on a chat site posting thumbs and criticising others for their bad use of grammar. Now do you see my point?
It’s a chat room so relax and get the stick out of your arse!
This isn’t an English test it’s a chat room.
The thumb symbol was used correctly in my post as an affirmation to my final sentence, so your point is invalid. "A thumb is not in any way correct English so my point is very valid. His one word sorted wasn’t either but I repeat it’s a chat room. And especially for you | |||
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"Any chance we can take the arguing elsewhere please? Maybe if you had picked up on the person who 1st started thrwowlmg out insults..you may have a degree of legitimacy. As it is.. no your ok. So you want to continue arguing? Why? Because when someone makes cracks about Macdknalds and sweeping floors,they should be picked up outside ,and not just agreed with as they arent criticising the gmnt. Nobody agreed with them to the best of my knowledge. You were left to it. Just chill. " I'd suggest you re-read If I was coming out with that,I doubt very much I'd be just getting private PMS | |||
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"Still waiting for the link to an article where it states "it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America." As none have so far been offered, I can only assume that this part is a lie. Other than that, it's a minister wanting to introduce further education that could potentially be useful in careers that require a bit more than basic skills. What kind of dimwit can possibly argue against education? Would you fund Latin or Maths if you had a limited budget . No one argues against education. The discussion is priorities surely? Well, let's see what it's useful for: Medical. Great for a Career as a Doctor or Surgeon Or other health professional. Most Sciences have a base root in Latin. Great for careers in physics or teaching or astrophysics. Et-al. Learning other Languages: Such as Chinese, Russian, German. Have common word roots. Which is great for business people and learning and teaching languages. Most of the philosophies have a root in Latin. So add teaching too. Theology has probably the deepest Latin roots of all. Law. Latin has deep roots in Latin and is quoted almost daily by Law professionals, and most of our Laws have titular meaning. Latin serves to teach: Structured Grammar. Beyond that - there's not much to Learning Latin at all. Education doesn’t have to be 'either or', it can just as often be 'as well as'. " Hi Cat I can’t argue with any of that as it’s all valid. I’ve travelled the world a lot with business and never struggled to communicate. English works mostly. Unfortunately 99% of people will not be lawyers or doctors or professors. So it’s of limited value to all. I sort of studied law to degree level though never went to uni and the main thing you need above all is English. Whilst law has a lot of titles related that’s true, if you can’t read and understand a long sentence you’re stuffed. If you go to court the argument is precedent not Latin. Who can reference the law history books the best. Unfortunately I think learning is ‘either or’ at the moment through under funding. I also think the governments ( all parties) over the years have wasted huge sums constantly changing the way schools teach and are run. I was a governor for a few years and to witness the waste first hand seriously shocked me. The school I was financial governor for lost a teacher due to two extra children being moved out. So we needed to either increase the class sizes or find the money. £20k was earmarked by the government for capitol spending such as an outside classroom. We already had a modern school with an outside classroom. Easy, use that money and cut a few trips. Erm no you can’t do that you have to buy another outdoor class room because you spend or lose it next year. Nuts. Result we had higher class numbers and a shelter for parents waiting for their kids out of the rain. Oh and one less governor as my role was pointless. I personally think university should be free. Funding to the universities should be value based and pointless degrees should be stopped. I go on about education so don’t want to say no Latin but I do think we have other needs first. | |||
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"Any chance we can take the arguing elsewhere please? Maybe if you had picked up on the person who 1st started thrwowlmg out insults..you may have a degree of legitimacy. As it is.. no your ok. So you want to continue arguing? Why? Because when someone makes cracks about Macdknalds and sweeping floors,they should be picked up outside ,and not just agreed with as they arent criticising the gmnt. Nobody agreed with them to the best of my knowledge. You were left to it. Just chill. I'd suggest you re-read If I was coming out with that,I doubt very much I'd be just getting private PMS " As it it no you are ok. I find the whole arguing on here not worthy of my labour. Is tiresome and vapid especially when life is so good. Be cool. | |||
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"Any chance we can take the arguing elsewhere please? Maybe if you had picked up on the person who 1st started thrwowlmg out insults..you may have a degree of legitimacy. As it is.. no your ok. So you want to continue arguing? Why? Because when someone makes cracks about Macdknalds and sweeping floors,they should be picked up outside ,and not just agreed with as they arent criticising the gmnt. Nobody agreed with them to the best of my knowledge. You were left to it. Just chill. I'd suggest you re-read If I was coming out with that,I doubt very much I'd be just getting private PMS As it it no you are ok. I find the whole arguing on here not worthy of my labour. Is tiresome and vapid especially when life is so good. Be cool. "Course it is You just keep it up my friend You cant beat that sincerity | |||
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"Just gonna post this again since it seems increasingly relevant: It's just the tabloid headline of the day. Aim: to take attention off more important issues and to get the public arguing among themselves. Based on the evidence, it seems to have worked." I was reading something from this lad who works in Educatiion who was saying they want to revamp education completely. Wasmt there something about not teaching communism in schools? Maybe this is the media friendly 1st part of that? | |||
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"Any chance we can take the arguing elsewhere please? Maybe if you had picked up on the person who 1st started thrwowlmg out insults..you may have a degree of legitimacy. As it is.. no your ok. So you want to continue arguing? Why? Because when someone makes cracks about Macdknalds and sweeping floors,they should be picked up outside ,and not just agreed with as they arent criticising the gmnt. Nobody agreed with them to the best of my knowledge. You were left to it. Just chill. I'd suggest you re-read If I was coming out with that,I doubt very much I'd be just getting private PMS As it it no you are ok. I find the whole arguing on here not worthy of my labour. Is tiresome and vapid especially when life is so good. Be cool.
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"Life is good mate. I’m sat here in my field waiting for the rain to pass eating an apple. I actually had a decent discussion on here with Jackle where we didn’t wholly agree but could see each other’s point of view. To put things in perspective mate. You are arguing with a load of dick and tit pics over something that doesn’t really matter or make a difference. It’s all good and going to be ok. | |||
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"Just gonna post this again since it seems increasingly relevant: It's just the tabloid headline of the day. Aim: to take attention off more important issues and to get the public arguing among themselves. Based on the evidence, it seems to have worked." Yes we all jump in as we know a bit or “think” we do in my case
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You’re probably right the courts and newspapers being muzzled along with the still unpublished PPE contracts in addition to Russian funding should be raging top and centre.
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You’re probably right the courts and newspapers being muzzled along with the still unpublished PPE contracts in addition to Russian funding should be raging top and centre.
Surely the buffoon having yet another sprog is the main news?
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You’re probably right the courts and newspapers being muzzled along with the still unpublished PPE contracts in addition to Russian funding should be raging top and centre.
Surely the buffoon having yet another sprog is the main news?
I was surprised a sycophant didn't set up a thread congratulating him on impregnating another lady.
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"Still waiting for the link to an article where it states "it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America." As none have so far been offered, I can only assume that this part is a lie. Other than that, it's a minister wanting to introduce further education that could potentially be useful in careers that require a bit more than basic skills. What kind of dimwit can possibly argue against education? Would you fund Latin or Maths if you had a limited budget . No one argues against education. The discussion is priorities surely? Well, let's see what it's useful for: Medical. Great for a Career as a Doctor or Surgeon Or other health professional. Most Sciences have a base root in Latin. Great for careers in physics or teaching or astrophysics. Et-al. Learning other Languages: Such as Chinese, Russian, German. Have common word roots. Which is great for business people and learning and teaching languages. Most of the philosophies have a root in Latin. So add teaching too. Theology has probably the deepest Latin roots of all. Law. Latin has deep roots in Latin and is quoted almost daily by Law professionals, and most of our Laws have titular meaning. Latin serves to teach: Structured Grammar. Beyond that - there's not much to Learning Latin at all. Education doesn’t have to be 'either or', it can just as often be 'as well as'. Hi Cat I can’t argue with any of that as it’s all valid. I’ve travelled the world a lot with business and never struggled to communicate. English works mostly. Unfortunately 99% of people will not be lawyers or doctors or professors. So it’s of limited value to all. I sort of studied law to degree level though never went to uni and the main thing you need above all is English. Whilst law has a lot of titles related that’s true, if you can’t read and understand a long sentence you’re stuffed. If you go to court the argument is precedent not Latin. Who can reference the law history books the best. Unfortunately I think learning is ‘either or’ at the moment through under funding. I also think the governments ( all parties) over the years have wasted huge sums constantly changing the way schools teach and are run. I was a governor for a few years and to witness the waste first hand seriously shocked me. The school I was financial governor for lost a teacher due to two extra children being moved out. So we needed to either increase the class sizes or find the money. £20k was earmarked by the government for capitol spending such as an outside classroom. We already had a modern school with an outside classroom. Easy, use that money and cut a few trips. Erm no you can’t do that you have to buy another outdoor class room because you spend or lose it next year. Nuts. Result we had higher class numbers and a shelter for parents waiting for their kids out of the rain. Oh and one less governor as my role was pointless. I personally think university should be free. Funding to the universities should be value based and pointless degrees should be stopped. I go on about education so don’t want to say no Latin but I do think we have other needs first. " Hi Jackal, My first base for Latin was in Prep and I never forgot those first steps, for all of my life it has been there in one form or another. When I entered High, they were reinforced with a more formally educated and tested curriculum. I have never used Latin as a base to any occupation that I ever undertook, but my understanding across a wide variety of subjects and languages it has always served as a solid backdrop. I suppose it really depends on whether we want to support social mobility between our notion of 'classes' - or at least undertake to give it the best chance across the population as a whole. I think that a grounding in Latin is a good idea. In Medics and Law, it's probably essential if you want a career that goes above the base-line. I, too, believe the University should be a free. Also, that a 'mature' second chance return to University should be at least part funded. Students leaving school often just can not wait to get out into the big world, only to find that perhaps they were a little hasty and want another chance to get that degree as a mature student. | |||
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You’re probably right the courts and newspapers being muzzled along with the still unpublished PPE contracts in addition to Russian funding should be raging top and centre.
Surely the buffoon having yet another sprog is the main news?
I was surprised a sycophant didn't set up a thread congratulating him on impregnating another lady.
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"Still waiting for the link to an article where it states "it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America." As none have so far been offered, I can only assume that this part is a lie. Other than that, it's a minister wanting to introduce further education that could potentially be useful in careers that require a bit more than basic skills. What kind of dimwit can possibly argue against education? Would you fund Latin or Maths if you had a limited budget . No one argues against education. The discussion is priorities surely? Well, let's see what it's useful for: Medical. Great for a Career as a Doctor or Surgeon Or other health professional. Most Sciences have a base root in Latin. Great for careers in physics or teaching or astrophysics. Et-al. Learning other Languages: Such as Chinese, Russian, German. Have common word roots. Which is great for business people and learning and teaching languages. Most of the philosophies have a root in Latin. So add teaching too. Theology has probably the deepest Latin roots of all. Law. Latin has deep roots in Latin and is quoted almost daily by Law professionals, and most of our Laws have titular meaning. Latin serves to teach: Structured Grammar. Beyond that - there's not much to Learning Latin at all. Education doesn’t have to be 'either or', it can just as often be 'as well as'. Hi Cat I can’t argue with any of that as it’s all valid. I’ve travelled the world a lot with business and never struggled to communicate. English works mostly. Unfortunately 99% of people will not be lawyers or doctors or professors. So it’s of limited value to all. I sort of studied law to degree level though never went to uni and the main thing you need above all is English. Whilst law has a lot of titles related that’s true, if you can’t read and understand a long sentence you’re stuffed. If you go to court the argument is precedent not Latin. Who can reference the law history books the best. Unfortunately I think learning is ‘either or’ at the moment through under funding. I also think the governments ( all parties) over the years have wasted huge sums constantly changing the way schools teach and are run. I was a governor for a few years and to witness the waste first hand seriously shocked me. The school I was financial governor for lost a teacher due to two extra children being moved out. So we needed to either increase the class sizes or find the money. £20k was earmarked by the government for capitol spending such as an outside classroom. We already had a modern school with an outside classroom. Easy, use that money and cut a few trips. Erm no you can’t do that you have to buy another outdoor class room because you spend or lose it next year. Nuts. Result we had higher class numbers and a shelter for parents waiting for their kids out of the rain. Oh and one less governor as my role was pointless. I personally think university should be free. Funding to the universities should be value based and pointless degrees should be stopped. I go on about education so don’t want to say no Latin but I do think we have other needs first. Hi Jackal, My first base for Latin was in Prep and I never forgot those first steps, for all of my life it has been there in one form or another. When I entered High, they were reinforced with a more formally educated and tested curriculum. I have never used Latin as a base to any occupation that I ever undertook, but my understanding across a wide variety of subjects and languages it has always served as a solid backdrop. I suppose it really depends on whether we want to support social mobility between our notion of 'classes' - or at least undertake to give it the best chance across the population as a whole. I think that a grounding in Latin is a good idea. In Medics and Law, it's probably essential if you want a career that goes above the base-line. I, too, believe the University should be a free. Also, that a 'mature' second chance return to University should be at least part funded. Students leaving school often just can not wait to get out into the big world, only to find that perhaps they were a little hasty and want another chance to get that degree as a mature student. " I agree. Especially with free University places. It’s a no brainier for a successful and skilled work force. | |||
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"Just text a lady I know who is disgustingly successful. She qualified for the bar in the UK and for no reason other than she fancied a challenge decided to go and practice law in France(I’m sure it wasn’t that simple). She found Latin from School to be a good base for her whole career. I was too busy trying to learn English so I didn’t even consider it sadly. " It's never too late to learn. | |||
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"Just text a lady I know who is disgustingly successful. She qualified for the bar in the UK and for no reason other than she fancied a challenge decided to go and practice law in France(I’m sure it wasn’t that simple). She found Latin from School to be a good base for her whole career. I was too busy trying to learn English so I didn’t even consider it sadly. It's never too late to learn. "Doubt it would do me any good in my field so would purely be for a vanity project. Got my hands full with carpentry as my superfluous self improvement project. | |||
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"Just text a lady I know who is disgustingly successful. She qualified for the bar in the UK and for no reason other than she fancied a challenge decided to go and practice law in France(I’m sure it wasn’t that simple). She found Latin from School to be a good base for her whole career. I was too busy trying to learn English so I didn’t even consider it sadly. It's never too late to learn.
Doubt it would do me any good in my field so would purely be for a vanity project. Got my hands full with carpentry as my superfluous self improvement project. "Hmmm? Only one phrase that I can think of . . . Lignum crucis arbor scientiae - The wood of the cross is the tree of knowledge. | |||
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"Still waiting for the link to an article where it states "it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America." As none have so far been offered, I can only assume that this part is a lie. Other than that, it's a minister wanting to introduce further education that could potentially be useful in careers that require a bit more than basic skills. What kind of dimwit can possibly argue against education? Would you fund Latin or Maths if you had a limited budget . No one argues against education. The discussion is priorities surely? Well, let's see what it's useful for: Medical. Great for a Career as a Doctor or Surgeon Or other health professional. Most Sciences have a base root in Latin. Great for careers in physics or teaching or astrophysics. Et-al. Learning other Languages: Such as Chinese, Russian, German. Have common word roots. Which is great for business people and learning and teaching languages. Most of the philosophies have a root in Latin. So add teaching too. Theology has probably the deepest Latin roots of all. Law. Latin has deep roots in Latin and is quoted almost daily by Law professionals, and most of our Laws have titular meaning. Latin serves to teach: Structured Grammar. Beyond that - there's not much to Learning Latin at all. Education doesn’t have to be 'either or', it can just as often be 'as well as'. Hi Cat I can’t argue with any of that as it’s all valid. I’ve travelled the world a lot with business and never struggled to communicate. English works mostly. Unfortunately 99% of people will not be lawyers or doctors or professors. So it’s of limited value to all. I sort of studied law to degree level though never went to uni and the main thing you need above all is English. Whilst law has a lot of titles related that’s true, if you can’t read and understand a long sentence you’re stuffed. If you go to court the argument is precedent not Latin. Who can reference the law history books the best. Unfortunately I think learning is ‘either or’ at the moment through under funding. I also think the governments ( all parties) over the years have wasted huge sums constantly changing the way schools teach and are run. I was a governor for a few years and to witness the waste first hand seriously shocked me. The school I was financial governor for lost a teacher due to two extra children being moved out. So we needed to either increase the class sizes or find the money. £20k was earmarked by the government for capitol spending such as an outside classroom. We already had a modern school with an outside classroom. Easy, use that money and cut a few trips. Erm no you can’t do that you have to buy another outdoor class room because you spend or lose it next year. Nuts. Result we had higher class numbers and a shelter for parents waiting for their kids out of the rain. Oh and one less governor as my role was pointless. I personally think university should be free. Funding to the universities should be value based and pointless degrees should be stopped. I go on about education so don’t want to say no Latin but I do think we have other needs first. Hi Jackal, My first base for Latin was in Prep and I never forgot those first steps, for all of my life it has been there in one form or another. When I entered High, they were reinforced with a more formally educated and tested curriculum. I have never used Latin as a base to any occupation that I ever undertook, but my understanding across a wide variety of subjects and languages it has always served as a solid backdrop. I suppose it really depends on whether we want to support social mobility between our notion of 'classes' - or at least undertake to give it the best chance across the population as a whole. I think that a grounding in Latin is a good idea. In Medics and Law, it's probably essential if you want a career that goes above the base-line. I, too, believe the University should be a free. Also, that a 'mature' second chance return to University should be at least part funded. Students leaving school often just can not wait to get out into the big world, only to find that perhaps they were a little hasty and want another chance to get that degree as a mature student. " You don’t need Latin for law but it s handy to know the terms . On everything you say I totally agree . I can’t disagree and i too want our children to have a broad quality education. Agreeing feels good . | |||
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"Still waiting for the link to an article where it states "it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America." As none have so far been offered, I can only assume that this part is a lie. Other than that, it's a minister wanting to introduce further education that could potentially be useful in careers that require a bit more than basic skills. What kind of dimwit can possibly argue against education? Would you fund Latin or Maths if you had a limited budget . No one argues against education. The discussion is priorities surely? Well, let's see what it's useful for: Medical. Great for a Career as a Doctor or Surgeon Or other health professional. Most Sciences have a base root in Latin. Great for careers in physics or teaching or astrophysics. Et-al. Learning other Languages: Such as Chinese, Russian, German. Have common word roots. Which is great for business people and learning and teaching languages. Most of the philosophies have a root in Latin. So add teaching too. Theology has probably the deepest Latin roots of all. Law. Latin has deep roots in Latin and is quoted almost daily by Law professionals, and most of our Laws have titular meaning. Latin serves to teach: Structured Grammar. Beyond that - there's not much to Learning Latin at all. Education doesn’t have to be 'either or', it can just as often be 'as well as'. Hi Cat I can’t argue with any of that as it’s all valid. I’ve travelled the world a lot with business and never struggled to communicate. English works mostly. Unfortunately 99% of people will not be lawyers or doctors or professors. So it’s of limited value to all. I sort of studied law to degree level though never went to uni and the main thing you need above all is English. Whilst law has a lot of titles related that’s true, if you can’t read and understand a long sentence you’re stuffed. If you go to court the argument is precedent not Latin. Who can reference the law history books the best. Unfortunately I think learning is ‘either or’ at the moment through under funding. I also think the governments ( all parties) over the years have wasted huge sums constantly changing the way schools teach and are run. I was a governor for a few years and to witness the waste first hand seriously shocked me. The school I was financial governor for lost a teacher due to two extra children being moved out. So we needed to either increase the class sizes or find the money. £20k was earmarked by the government for capitol spending such as an outside classroom. We already had a modern school with an outside classroom. Easy, use that money and cut a few trips. Erm no you can’t do that you have to buy another outdoor class room because you spend or lose it next year. Nuts. Result we had higher class numbers and a shelter for parents waiting for their kids out of the rain. Oh and one less governor as my role was pointless. I personally think university should be free. Funding to the universities should be value based and pointless degrees should be stopped. I go on about education so don’t want to say no Latin but I do think we have other needs first. Hi Jackal, My first base for Latin was in Prep and I never forgot those first steps, for all of my life it has been there in one form or another. When I entered High, they were reinforced with a more formally educated and tested curriculum. I have never used Latin as a base to any occupation that I ever undertook, but my understanding across a wide variety of subjects and languages it has always served as a solid backdrop. I suppose it really depends on whether we want to support social mobility between our notion of 'classes' - or at least undertake to give it the best chance across the population as a whole. I think that a grounding in Latin is a good idea. In Medics and Law, it's probably essential if you want a career that goes above the base-line. I, too, believe the University should be a free. Also, that a 'mature' second chance return to University should be at least part funded. Students leaving school often just can not wait to get out into the big world, only to find that perhaps they were a little hasty and want another chance to get that degree as a mature student. You don’t need Latin for law but it s handy to know the terms . On everything you say I totally agree . I can’t disagree and i too want our children to have a broad quality education. Agreeing feels good . "Gain without pain lol. | |||
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"What percentage of children are going to go on to become lawyers or doctors? But great to be able to make that choice from a greater width of skills.
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"I was fortunate enough to be taught Latin and Classical Greek at school. It's given me an insight and appreciation of the English language (ever noticed though, that all our military terms are French - surveillance, reconnaissance, curfew etc., and it must break the hearts of some radio operators to be obliged to say "M'aidez", "seelonce feenee (silence fini)" or "(en) Panne Panne"), but was no help whatsoever in learning German, French or Spanish, and was a positive disadvantage when I attempted to learn (modern) Greek. IMHO a great idea, but the reasoning behind it absolute nonsense... I'm sure it will be absolutely invaluable in day to day life. I'm sure there isnt a practical solution which cant be solved with a basic grasp of latin "with Lionel on this it must be a joke surely to fucking god | |||
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"What percentage of children are going to go on to become lawyers or doctors? But great to be able to make that choice from a greater width of skills.
"0.0018% of the population are lawyers/solicitors. 0.0044% of the population are doctors. I'm not sure making children study Latin is anything other than an arrogant and retrograde flight of fancy from a bunch of posh boys and girls who studied Latin in prep schools and Eton. Perhaps teaching something that will be useful to the many, rather than the few, would be a better idea. | |||
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"Just text a lady I know who is disgustingly successful. She qualified for the bar in the UK and for no reason other than she fancied a challenge decided to go and practice law in France(I’m sure it wasn’t that simple). She found Latin from School to be a good base for her whole career. I was too busy trying to learn English so I didn’t even consider it sadly. It's never too late to learn.
Doubt it would do me any good in my field so would purely be for a vanity project. Got my hands full with carpentry as my superfluous self improvement project.
Hmmm? Only one phrase that I can think of . . .
Lignum crucis arbor scientiae - The wood of the cross is the tree of knowledge.
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"Gavin Williamson has explained that if we can improve Latin skills it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America. "I don't disagree but maybe push modern languages if we want to do business with the rest of the world? | |||
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"Gavin Williamson has explained that if we can improve Latin skills it should enhance the prospects for UK businesses wanting to export to Latin America.
I don't disagree but maybe push modern languages if we want to do business with the rest of the world? "Think you will find the bit about business with Latin America is not the whole truth and nothing but the truth as nobody has been able to find a link where he actually said that mate. I dont think this is anything new at all my son has been learning Latin for the last 18 months or so at his local school, so obviously schools and academy's have been able to add this to the curriculum if they wished for some time. At least it is not forced upon my son as final subject that he must choose for his options like religious education now is. | |||
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"What percentage of children are going to go on to become lawyers or doctors? But great to be able to make that choice from a greater width of skills.
0.0018% of the population are lawyers/solicitors.
0.0044% of the population are doctors.
I'm not sure making children study Latin is anything other than an arrogant and retrograde flight of fancy from a bunch of posh boys and girls who studied Latin in prep schools and Eton.
Perhaps teaching something that will be useful to the many, rather than the few, would be a better idea."What % are nurses or other medical professionals? Work in biomedical research? Read physics or chemistry at university level? How many people study linguistics? Literature? Classics? Architecture? Geology? Archaeology? History? Latin is a gateway language as well as being a great way of learning how to learn. Not to mention the structure of Latin being so well defined that it makes it ideal practice for learning language as a precursor to computer coding... | |||
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"Latin, and its history, is a useful tool in law, medicine, science, music, theology, philosophy, art, and literature. Luckily for you guys, it's not a requirement for a job in McDonalds.
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