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"Russian donations and Russians given tax haven status. Developers donate and planning laws are relaxed. I’m sure neither of these connections are anything but above board. " Obviously a labour politician receiving money from what many would consider to be an enemy state would recieve the same dearth of headlines. | |||
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"Interesting that a post showing the sleaze at the top receives little attention. Maybe it’s become so accepted that it’s ok these days. Think I’ll buy myself a politician . Gavin must be a bargain based on his performance . Erm can anyone lend me a tenner?? " Like I said if it was a labour or snp story the usual suspects would be creaming themselves. The level of hypocrisy in here is off the scale | |||
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"Nah they just ignore threads like this and instead start numerous threads about the labour party " There's always at least one trying to defend the indefensible. We'll see... | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate." Feel free to debate and defend Tory corruption if you wish. | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate. Feel free to debate and defend Tory corruption if you wish." Who said I would defend it? I've just told you the reason why people avoid these threads and you reply with that. You have no interest in debate as I have already said, its why people don't engage. | |||
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"Nah they just ignore threads like this and instead start numerous threads about the labour party There's always at least one trying to defend the indefensible. We'll see..." It's the head in the sand approach. Said it before but it bears repeating .but if this was someone like..oh I dont know.. a former labour leader..the media would have an utter meltdown But never let it be said that Tories are told what to think by the likes of the mail. | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate. Feel free to debate and defend Tory corruption if you wish. Who said I would defend it? I've just told you the reason why people avoid these threads and you reply with that. You have no interest in debate as I have already said, its why people don't engage." I literally just invited you to "debate" and defend Tory corruption right above.  | |||
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"That's funny When there was a thread on the liverpool councillors I dont recall one person,including me,defending them. Must be my memory." Did I say anything about anyone defending anyone on any thread?? | |||
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"Nah they just ignore threads like this and instead start numerous threads about the labour party There's always at least one trying to defend the indefensible. We'll see... It's the head in the sand approach. Said it before but it bears repeating .but if this was someone like..oh I dont know.. a former labour leader..the media would have an utter meltdown But never let it be said that Tories are told what to think by the likes of the mail." Like th Joe Anderson thread which has 3 posts?? Yes 3. | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate. Feel free to debate and defend Tory corruption if you wish. Who said I would defend it? I've just told you the reason why people avoid these threads and you reply with that. You have no interest in debate as I have already said, its why people don't engage. I literally just invited you to "debate" and defend Tory corruption right above. "Who said I wanted to defend them?? | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate. Feel free to debate and defend Tory corruption if you wish. Who said I would defend it? I've just told you the reason why people avoid these threads and you reply with that. You have no interest in debate as I have already said, its why people don't engage. I literally just invited you to "debate" and defend Tory corruption right above.
Who said I wanted to defend them??"Defend em or not. Up to you. It's just very odd that I literally invited you to debate. Then you said I didn't want the thing I'd explicitly invited you to do. | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate. Feel free to debate and defend Tory corruption if you wish. Who said I would defend it? I've just told you the reason why people avoid these threads and you reply with that. You have no interest in debate as I have already said, its why people don't engage. I literally just invited you to "debate" and defend Tory corruption right above.
Who said I wanted to defend them??
Defend em or not. Up to you. It's just very odd that I literally invited you to debate. Then you said I didn't want the thing I'd explicitly invited you to do."Yeah, you've completely missed the point of my first post. Keep the echo chamber alive  | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate. Feel free to debate and defend Tory corruption if you wish. Who said I would defend it? I've just told you the reason why people avoid these threads and you reply with that. You have no interest in debate as I have already said, its why people don't engage. I literally just invited you to "debate" and defend Tory corruption right above.
Who said I wanted to defend them??
Defend em or not. Up to you. It's just very odd that I literally invited you to debate. Then you said I didn't want the thing I'd explicitly invited you to do.
Yeah, you've completely missed the point of my first post.
Keep the echo chamber alive "Yup I certainly missed your point that we're not open to debate when I invited you to debate. | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate. Feel free to debate and defend Tory corruption if you wish. Who said I would defend it? I've just told you the reason why people avoid these threads and you reply with that. You have no interest in debate as I have already said, its why people don't engage. I literally just invited you to "debate" and defend Tory corruption right above.
Who said I wanted to defend them??
Defend em or not. Up to you. It's just very odd that I literally invited you to debate. Then you said I didn't want the thing I'd explicitly invited you to do.
Yeah, you've completely missed the point of my first post.
Keep the echo chamber alive
Yup I certainly missed your point that we're not open to debate when I invited you to debate."It's the usual trick of saying something and then denying saying it. Best just ignored  | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate. Feel free to debate and defend Tory corruption if you wish. Who said I would defend it? I've just told you the reason why people avoid these threads and you reply with that. You have no interest in debate as I have already said, its why people don't engage. I literally just invited you to "debate" and defend Tory corruption right above.
Who said I wanted to defend them??
Defend em or not. Up to you. It's just very odd that I literally invited you to debate. Then you said I didn't want the thing I'd explicitly invited you to do.
Yeah, you've completely missed the point of my first post.
Keep the echo chamber alive
Yup I certainly missed your point that we're not open to debate when I invited you to debate."Your 'they'll be a defender along' tells people that you're not interested in debate. If you don't understand that statement, I can't help you | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate. Feel free to debate and defend Tory corruption if you wish. Who said I would defend it? I've just told you the reason why people avoid these threads and you reply with that. You have no interest in debate as I have already said, its why people don't engage. I literally just invited you to "debate" and defend Tory corruption right above.
Who said I wanted to defend them??
Defend em or not. Up to you. It's just very odd that I literally invited you to debate. Then you said I didn't want the thing I'd explicitly invited you to do.
Yeah, you've completely missed the point of my first post.
Keep the echo chamber alive
Yup I certainly missed your point that we're not open to debate when I invited you to debate.
Your 'they'll be a defender along' tells people that you're not interested in debate. If you don't understand that statement, I can't help you"If I'm wrong, prove me wrong. With ohhh what's the word? A debate? | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate." I’m not a labour supporter . I just think this is worth discussing as it’s at the heart of our so called democracy. | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate." It does seem a little like setting the stall out for an argument straight away. I think I have been guilty of doing it before as well. | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate. Feel free to debate and defend Tory corruption if you wish. Who said I would defend it? I've just told you the reason why people avoid these threads and you reply with that. You have no interest in debate as I have already said, its why people don't engage. I literally just invited you to "debate" and defend Tory corruption right above.
Who said I wanted to defend them??
Defend em or not. Up to you. It's just very odd that I literally invited you to debate. Then you said I didn't want the thing I'd explicitly invited you to do.
Yeah, you've completely missed the point of my first post.
Keep the echo chamber alive
Yup I certainly missed your point that we're not open to debate when I invited you to debate.
Your 'they'll be a defender along' tells people that you're not interested in debate. If you don't understand that statement, I can't help you
If I'm wrong, prove me wrong. With ohhh what's the word? A debate?"I have nothing to debate with you. Another poster has just said the same thing. The funny thing is, you know as well as I that I can't prove it alone, it'll need confirmation from other posters. If they cant/dont/won't confirm it then it just my opinion. Which I am entitled to. | |||
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"I'll take more interest in threads if they give a brief synopsis of the debate and a point of view, rather than just posting endless links. And Boris Johnson does not identify as "Alex". So why bother endlessly using that name? Just seems rather childish. " Fair point on the synopsis or initial view. | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate. Feel free to debate and defend Tory corruption if you wish. Who said I would defend it? I've just told you the reason why people avoid these threads and you reply with that. You have no interest in debate as I have already said, its why people don't engage. I literally just invited you to "debate" and defend Tory corruption right above.
Who said I wanted to defend them??
Defend em or not. Up to you. It's just very odd that I literally invited you to debate. Then you said I didn't want the thing I'd explicitly invited you to do.
Yeah, you've completely missed the point of my first post.
Keep the echo chamber alive
Yup I certainly missed your point that we're not open to debate when I invited you to debate.
Your 'they'll be a defender along' tells people that you're not interested in debate. If you don't understand that statement, I can't help you
If I'm wrong, prove me wrong. With ohhh what's the word? A debate?
I have nothing to debate with you.
Another poster has just said the same thing. The funny thing is, you know as well as I that I can't prove it alone, it'll need confirmation from other posters. If they cant/dont/won't confirm it then it just my opinion. Which I am entitled to."So what's the point on this back and forth? You have nothing to say about Tory corruption on either side of the debate, it seems. For others, let's get to the point of the thread. Is johnson corrupt? Are the Tories corrupt? Proof? | |||
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"How it works round here is Labour supporters ignore threads on Labour. Conservative supporters are now ignoring threads like this. The reason? Certainly from my pov is that there's always 'there will be a defender along soon'. It attempts to close down debate before it's even begun, it certainly says to me that you're looking to 'win' and aren't actually interested in debate. Feel free to debate and defend Tory corruption if you wish. Who said I would defend it? I've just told you the reason why people avoid these threads and you reply with that. You have no interest in debate as I have already said, its why people don't engage. I literally just invited you to "debate" and defend Tory corruption right above.
Who said I wanted to defend them??
Defend em or not. Up to you. It's just very odd that I literally invited you to debate. Then you said I didn't want the thing I'd explicitly invited you to do.
Yeah, you've completely missed the point of my first post.
Keep the echo chamber alive
Yup I certainly missed your point that we're not open to debate when I invited you to debate.
Your 'they'll be a defender along' tells people that you're not interested in debate. If you don't understand that statement, I can't help you
If I'm wrong, prove me wrong. With ohhh what's the word? A debate?
I have nothing to debate with you.
Another poster has just said the same thing. The funny thing is, you know as well as I that I can't prove it alone, it'll need confirmation from other posters. If they cant/dont/won't confirm it then it just my opinion. Which I am entitled to.
So what's the point on this back and forth? You have nothing to say about Tory corruption on either side of the debate, it seems.
For others, let's get to the point of the thread. Is johnson corrupt? Are the Tories corrupt? Proof?"Lionel stated people ignored these threads and you stated people defend Tories. I was giving my opinion as to why the ignoring of these threads occurs
You chose to respond. My opinion hasn't changed, in fact probably even more so has been cemented. | |||
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"I keep trying to drag the thread back on topic. You seem to just want to argue off topic. I'm actually working hard not to argue at all. Moving on... Topic: Tory corruption. Views from either side." How can we speak about the topic 'Alex and the FT' For a start, who is Alex? The article is hidden behind a paywall | |||
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"I keep trying to drag the thread back on topic. You seem to just want to argue off topic. I'm actually working hard not to argue at all. Moving on... Topic: Tory corruption. Views from either side. How can we speak about the topic 'Alex and the FT' For a start, who is Alex? The article is hidden behind a paywall "Alex= Johnson. The FT story is an odd 1. I managed to read it somehow. Yet when I clicked another link, it blocked me with a paywall. The gist of the article (as far as I remember) is Johnson accepts cash routinely for access. There's a sort of fixer (an Eton chap) who has a long history of setting this all up. Also, the Tories got a shitload of cash from Russia. And Johnson buried the Russia report. | |||
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"I keep trying to drag the thread back on topic. You seem to just want to argue off topic. I'm actually working hard not to argue at all. Moving on... Topic: Tory corruption. Views from either side. How can we speak about the topic 'Alex and the FT' For a start, who is Alex? The article is hidden behind a paywall
Alex= Johnson.
The FT story is an odd 1. I managed to read it somehow. Yet when I clicked another link, it blocked me with a paywall.
The gist of the article (as far as I remember) is Johnson accepts cash routinely for access. There's a sort of fixer (an Eton chap) who has a long history of setting this all up. Also, the Tories got a shitload of cash from Russia. And Johnson buried the Russia report."Accepts cash for access to what? I belive the 'Russian Report' is available. My stance on this is the same as any other topic, if there is wrongdoing then there should be convictions. End of. | |||
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"On further Tory corruption, there are also many examples of them giving huge amounts of money to their mates despite a lack of qualification and proven screw ups. Hancock was found to have broken the law about disclosing contracts. Gove was found to have diverted Covid funds to be used instead for polling on the Union. Jenrick helped a v rich property dev to avoid millions in taxes. On further Johnson corruption, he was gifted a free holiday to Mustique. A donor paid for his flat to be done up. A donor gifted him loads of expensive free food. They're just a few examples off the top of my head." All of which have been done to death on here. And will continue to be spoken about. Every week there is a thread about Tory corruption where not only 'the latest' thing is brought to light but everything else too. | |||
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"I keep trying to drag the thread back on topic. You seem to just want to argue off topic. I'm actually working hard not to argue at all. Moving on... Topic: Tory corruption. Views from either side. How can we speak about the topic 'Alex and the FT' For a start, who is Alex? The article is hidden behind a paywall
Alex= Johnson.
The FT story is an odd 1. I managed to read it somehow. Yet when I clicked another link, it blocked me with a paywall.
The gist of the article (as far as I remember) is Johnson accepts cash routinely for access. There's a sort of fixer (an Eton chap) who has a long history of setting this all up. Also, the Tories got a shitload of cash from Russia. And Johnson buried the Russia report.
Accepts cash for access to what?
I belive the 'Russian Report' is available.
My stance on this is the same as any other topic, if there is wrongdoing then there should be convictions. End of."My view is to question the rules if this is allowed in Parliament but not in industry. It’s bribery and corruption rules that don’t seem apply to our government . That’s what should be questioned. | |||
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"I keep trying to drag the thread back on topic. You seem to just want to argue off topic. I'm actually working hard not to argue at all. Moving on... Topic: Tory corruption. Views from either side. How can we speak about the topic 'Alex and the FT' For a start, who is Alex? The article is hidden behind a paywall
Alex= Johnson.
The FT story is an odd 1. I managed to read it somehow. Yet when I clicked another link, it blocked me with a paywall.
The gist of the article (as far as I remember) is Johnson accepts cash routinely for access. There's a sort of fixer (an Eton chap) who has a long history of setting this all up. Also, the Tories got a shitload of cash from Russia. And Johnson buried the Russia report.
Accepts cash for access to what?
I belive the 'Russian Report' is available.
My stance on this is the same as any other topic, if there is wrongdoing then there should be convictions. End of.
My view is to question the rules if this is allowed in Parliament but not in industry. It’s bribery and corruption rules that don’t seem apply to our government .
That’s what should be questioned.
"There absolutely should be convictions. Several Tories have been found to have broken the law. And, as far as I'm aware, they've faced no legal consequences whatsoever. | |||
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"Nah they just ignore threads like this and instead start numerous threads about the labour party There's always at least one trying to defend the indefensible. We'll see... It's the head in the sand approach. Said it before but it bears repeating .but if this was someone like..oh I dont know.. a former labour leader..the media would have an utter meltdown But never let it be said that Tories are told what to think by the likes of the mail." Thought it was the Daily Telegraph. The one that Boris calls Boss. | |||
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"But still they won the last election by a massive landslide because the opposition are inept, democracy is almost finished because of tribal devisive politics and silly point scoring threads like this proves where we are with it. Oh and by the way whatever happened to Keith Vaz that doyen of scruples and ethics ? "Yes they won the last election. Does that excuse their rampant corruption? | |||
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