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"He's had this to say: "Much as we can't be associated with calls to defund the police, we urgently need to challenge our own attitude to people taking the knee." He's right about taking the knee - but he's had a bit of an irony bypass on defunding the police. People already associate the Tory Party with defunding the police; or, if they don't, they should. After all, according to Home Office figures, between March 2010 and March 2018, police forces in England and Wales lost 21,732 officers - a drop of 15%. Unless the Home Office, Tory at the time, got its figures wrong." It's ok Johnson said he was going to hire loads more. A bit like someone shooting you and then taking you to hospital and saying they saved your life. | |||
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"He's had this to say: "Much as we can't be associated with calls to defund the police, we urgently need to challenge our own attitude to people taking the knee." He's right about taking the knee - but he's had a bit of an irony bypass on defunding the police. People already associate the Tory Party with defunding the police; or, if they don't, they should. After all, according to Home Office figures, between March 2010 and March 2018, police forces in England and Wales lost 21,732 officers - a drop of 15%. Unless the Home Office, Tory at the time, got its figures wrong." So to make this post more accurate you have to remember between 2010 to 2015 the UK government was a coalition government. Wouldn't want you to give out false information would we. | |||
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"Imagine taking an action and then other people telling the world why you are doing it? " It proves that some people took it as gesture politics when the players have to come out and explain that its not.Dont you keep banging on about clear messaging? | |||
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"He's had this to say: "Much as we can't be associated with calls to defund the police, we urgently need to challenge our own attitude to people taking the knee." He's right about taking the knee - but he's had a bit of an irony bypass on defunding the police. People already associate the Tory Party with defunding the police; or, if they don't, they should. After all, according to Home Office figures, between March 2010 and March 2018, police forces in England and Wales lost 21,732 officers - a drop of 15%. Unless the Home Office, Tory at the time, got its figures wrong. So to make this post more accurate you have to remember between 2010 to 2015 the UK government was a coalition government. Wouldn't want you to give out false information would we." True that yes but what that meant was the lib Dems were partially responsible for all decisions but as they have said since they were able to affect albeit to a minor degree the more radical cuts wanted by the Tories who held the highest offices.. The cuts have been consistent across the services that the ordinary man, woman and children use in all areas since 2010.. | |||
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"He's had this to say: "Much as we can't be associated with calls to defund the police, we urgently need to challenge our own attitude to people taking the knee." He's right about taking the knee - but he's had a bit of an irony bypass on defunding the police. People already associate the Tory Party with defunding the police; or, if they don't, they should. After all, according to Home Office figures, between March 2010 and March 2018, police forces in England and Wales lost 21,732 officers - a drop of 15%. Unless the Home Office, Tory at the time, got its figures wrong. So to make this post more accurate you have to remember between 2010 to 2015 the UK government was a coalition government. Wouldn't want you to give out false information would we. True that yes but what that meant was the lib Dems were partially responsible for all decisions but as they have said since they were able to affect albeit to a minor degree the more radical cuts wanted by the Tories who held the highest offices.. The cuts have been consistent across the services that the ordinary man, woman and children use in all areas since 2010.." Obvs Tories are quite embarrassed about the policies brought in during that coalition period. | |||
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"The BLM movement highjacked the taking the knee gesture and it proves that a lot of people associate it with them when players have to come out and explain its not politically motivated." So that is the new excuse line… god give me strength! Let just say it straight…. The players told you why! You decided you knew better than the players! So it’s either an ignorance issue.. a condescension issue… or a not listening issue So which is it?  | |||
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"The BLM movement highjacked the taking the knee gesture and it proves that a lot of people associate it with them when players have to come out and explain its not politically motivated. So that is the new excuse line… god give me strength! Let just say it straight…. The players told you why! You decided you knew better than the players! So it’s either an ignorance issue.. a condescension issue… or a not listening issue So which is it? "
You couldnt make it up could you?
Implying the players were taking a stand against racism but they didnt actually know what they were doing?
It's quite amusing watching the desperate backtrack tbf.
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"The BLM movement highjacked the taking the knee gesture and it proves that a lot of people associate it with them when players have to come out and explain its not politically motivated. So that is the new excuse line… god give me strength! Let just say it straight…. The players told you why! You decided you knew better than the players! So it’s either an ignorance issue.. a condescension issue… or a not listening issue So which is it? "Or don't give a fcuk issue? Let's allow everyone to express their own opinions and be tolerant | |||
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"The BLM movement highjacked the taking the knee gesture and it proves that a lot of people associate it with them when players have to come out and explain its not politically motivated. So that is the new excuse line… god give me strength! Let just say it straight…. The players told you why! You decided you knew better than the players! So it’s either an ignorance issue.. a condescension issue… or a not listening issue So which is it?
Or don't give a fcuk issue? Let's allow everyone to express their own opinions and be tolerant"You are fully entitled to not give a fuck about young players being racially abused by their own supporters  | |||
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"It's like it's some kind of game. The level of people trying one-upmanship is fucking unreal in here." In what way exactly? The way I see it the players have decided to make a gesture about racism. A big chunk of society has said they are wrong. You either agree with the players or with the types of patel and johnson. Cant see where 1 upmanship comes into it at all. | |||
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"It's like it's some kind of game. The level of people trying one-upmanship is fucking unreal in here. In what way exactly? The way I see it the players have decided to make a gesture about racism. A big chunk of society has said they are wrong. You either agree with the players or with the types of patel and johnson. Cant see where 1 upmanship comes into it at all." Yeah. You wouldn't see it. Happens on almost every thread. And from both sides of the central line. Besides this thread was actually about police funding cuts  | |||
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"It's like it's some kind of game. The level of people trying one-upmanship is fucking unreal in here. In what way exactly? The way I see it the players have decided to make a gesture about racism. A big chunk of society has said they are wrong. You either agree with the players or with the types of patel and johnson. Cant see where 1 upmanship comes into it at all. Yeah. You wouldn't see it. Happens on almost every thread. And from both sides of the central line. Besides this thread was actually about police funding cuts "It was also about his position on taking the knee | |||
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"The BLM movement highjacked the taking the knee gesture and it proves that a lot of people associate it with them when players have to come out and explain its not politically motivated. So that is the new excuse line… god give me strength! Let just say it straight…. The players told you why! You decided you knew better than the players! So it’s either an ignorance issue.. a condescension issue… or a not listening issue So which is it? "Not an excuse at all this is the trouble with this topic nobody can have a reasonable debate. The booing of taking the knee has been going on since thy started doing it over a year ago and my guess is because people have associated it with the BLM movement, people didn't boo the take a stand campaign by kick it out they applauded it and stood together, are you telling me all these people have suddenly become racist ? | |||
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"It's like it's some kind of game. The level of people trying one-upmanship is fucking unreal in here. In what way exactly? The way I see it the players have decided to make a gesture about racism. A big chunk of society has said they are wrong. You either agree with the players or with the types of patel and johnson. Cant see where 1 upmanship comes into it at all. Yeah. You wouldn't see it. Happens on almost every thread. And from both sides of the central line. Besides this thread was actually about police funding cuts
It was also about his position on taking the knee"Yeah OK then  | |||
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"It's like it's some kind of game. The level of people trying one-upmanship is fucking unreal in here. In what way exactly? The way I see it the players have decided to make a gesture about racism. A big chunk of society has said they are wrong. You either agree with the players or with the types of patel and johnson. Cant see where 1 upmanship comes into it at all. Yeah. You wouldn't see it. Happens on almost every thread. And from both sides of the central line. Besides this thread was actually about police funding cuts "I am sorry… the steve baker quote was about taking the knee … how silly of me to answer back to someone talking about taking the knee…..
Well again I am glad that I have been told what I should be taking about…. | |||
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"It's like it's some kind of game. The level of people trying one-upmanship is fucking unreal in here. In what way exactly? The way I see it the players have decided to make a gesture about racism. A big chunk of society has said they are wrong. You either agree with the players or with the types of patel and johnson. Cant see where 1 upmanship comes into it at all. Yeah. You wouldn't see it. Happens on almost every thread. And from both sides of the central line. Besides this thread was actually about police funding cuts
It was also about his position on taking the knee
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"It's like it's some kind of game. The level of people trying one-upmanship is fucking unreal in here. In what way exactly? The way I see it the players have decided to make a gesture about racism. A big chunk of society has said they are wrong. You either agree with the players or with the types of patel and johnson. Cant see where 1 upmanship comes into it at all. Yeah. You wouldn't see it. Happens on almost every thread. And from both sides of the central line. Besides this thread was actually about police funding cuts
I am sorry… the steve baker quote was about taking the knee … how silly of me to answer back to someone talking about taking the knee…..
Well again I am glad that I have been told what I should be taking about…."Who told you what you should be talking about? The OP shows the Steve Baker quote and then goes on to speak about the governement getting their figures wrong. The problem here is people only focus on what they want to see, not the whole OP | |||
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"It's like it's some kind of game. The level of people trying one-upmanship is fucking unreal in here. In what way exactly? The way I see it the players have decided to make a gesture about racism. A big chunk of society has said they are wrong. You either agree with the players or with the types of patel and johnson. Cant see where 1 upmanship comes into it at all. Yeah. You wouldn't see it. Happens on almost every thread. And from both sides of the central line. Besides this thread was actually about police funding cuts
I am sorry… the steve baker quote was about taking the knee … how silly of me to answer back to someone talking about taking the knee…..
Well again I am glad that I have been told what I should be taking about….
Who told you what you should be talking about?
The OP shows the Steve Baker quote and then goes on to speak about the governement getting their figures wrong. The problem here is people only focus on what they want to see, not the whole OP"You mean like you wanting to just talk about the police spending figures and we can just forget about the rest….. | |||
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"It's like it's some kind of game. The level of people trying one-upmanship is fucking unreal in here. In what way exactly? The way I see it the players have decided to make a gesture about racism. A big chunk of society has said they are wrong. You either agree with the players or with the types of patel and johnson. Cant see where 1 upmanship comes into it at all. Yeah. You wouldn't see it. Happens on almost every thread. And from both sides of the central line. Besides this thread was actually about police funding cuts
I am sorry… the steve baker quote was about taking the knee … how silly of me to answer back to someone talking about taking the knee…..
Well again I am glad that I have been told what I should be taking about….
Who told you what you should be talking about?
The OP shows the Steve Baker quote and then goes on to speak about the governement getting their figures wrong. The problem here is people only focus on what they want to see, not the whole OP
You mean like you wanting to just talk about the police spending figures and we can just forget about the rest….."The OP said he is right regards taking the knee. What is there to say unless I disagree? | |||
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"It's like it's some kind of game. The level of people trying one-upmanship is fucking unreal in here. In what way exactly? The way I see it the players have decided to make a gesture about racism. A big chunk of society has said they are wrong. You either agree with the players or with the types of patel and johnson. Cant see where 1 upmanship comes into it at all. Yeah. You wouldn't see it. Happens on almost every thread. And from both sides of the central line. Besides this thread was actually about police funding cuts
I am sorry… the steve baker quote was about taking the knee … how silly of me to answer back to someone talking about taking the knee…..
Well again I am glad that I have been told what I should be taking about….
Who told you what you should be talking about?
The OP shows the Steve Baker quote and then goes on to speak about the governement getting their figures wrong. The problem here is people only focus on what they want to see, not the whole OP"If you wanna talk about the tories making massive cuts causing untold damage and then alledgly hiring more police officers,whilst conveniently they,and the liberals,made the cuts in the 1st place, I'm all ears. | |||
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"It's like it's some kind of game. The level of people trying one-upmanship is fucking unreal in here. In what way exactly? The way I see it the players have decided to make a gesture about racism. A big chunk of society has said they are wrong. You either agree with the players or with the types of patel and johnson. Cant see where 1 upmanship comes into it at all. Yeah. You wouldn't see it. Happens on almost every thread. And from both sides of the central line. Besides this thread was actually about police funding cuts
I am sorry… the steve baker quote was about taking the knee … how silly of me to answer back to someone talking about taking the knee…..
Well again I am glad that I have been told what I should be taking about….
Who told you what you should be talking about?
The OP shows the Steve Baker quote and then goes on to speak about the governement getting their figures wrong. The problem here is people only focus on what they want to see, not the whole OP
If you wanna talk about the tories making massive cuts causing untold damage and then alledgly hiring more police officers,whilst conveniently they,and the liberals,made the cuts in the 1st place, I'm all ears."As I said to Fabio, what is there to talk about if I agree with the OP | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?" Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel " So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?  | |||
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"The BLM movement highjacked the taking the knee gesture and it proves that a lot of people associate it with them when players have to come out and explain its not politically motivated. So that is the new excuse line… god give me strength! Let just say it straight…. The players told you why! You decided you knew better than the players! So it’s either an ignorance issue.. a condescension issue… or a not listening issue So which is it?
Or don't give a fcuk issue? Let's allow everyone to express their own opinions and be tolerant
You are fully entitled to not give a fuck about young players being racially abused by their own supporters
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"The BLM movement highjacked the taking the knee gesture and it proves that a lot of people associate it with them when players have to come out and explain its not politically motivated. So that is the new excuse line… god give me strength! Let just say it straight…. The players told you why! You decided you knew better than the players! So it’s either an ignorance issue.. a condescension issue… or a not listening issue So which is it?
Or don't give a fcuk issue? Let's allow everyone to express their own opinions and be tolerant
You are fully entitled to not give a fuck about young players being racially abused by their own supporters
Where did you read that lionel?"The bit where you said dont give a fuck | |||
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"The BLM movement highjacked the taking the knee gesture and it proves that a lot of people associate it with them when players have to come out and explain its not politically motivated. So that is the new excuse line… god give me strength! Let just say it straight…. The players told you why! You decided you knew better than the players! So it’s either an ignorance issue.. a condescension issue… or a not listening issue So which is it?
Or don't give a fcuk issue? Let's allow everyone to express their own opinions and be tolerant
You are fully entitled to not give a fuck about young players being racially abused by their own supporters
Where did you read that lionel?
The bit where you said dont give a fuck "And you tagged on "about young players being racially abused by their own supporters" I never mentioned that you did | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate? "Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction? The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better! So which was it? | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?"Attack the victim(the ones who have been racially abused)to divert attention from their own abhorrent attitudes. It's a standard Tory trope which has served them well down the years. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?"I think you will find it was her saying that that prompted a statement from the players not the other way round. Just out of interest do you think it its ok to boo the gesture or not? | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?"What did she mean by gesture politics? | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?"That's Priti's problem. Given the abuse she's taken for being brown, being female, etc; she really ought to know better. However, she is so staggeringly stupid, she's incapable of considering the consequences of her actions. Then again, why should she? Despite all her ignorance, stupidity, insensitivity, inadequacy and vile character flaws; she's ended up Home Secretary. Being the way she is, hasn't held her back. That tells you all you need to know about how appallingly low standards in UK governance have fallen. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?I think you will find it was her saying that that prompted a statement from the players not the other way round.
Just out of interest do you think it its ok to boo the gesture or not? "The players get paid sh!t loads, to play football, the fans get ripped off with ticket prices. Why can't the players do it in their own time and not the fans time? | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?
Attack the victim(the ones who have been racially abused)to divert attention from their own abhorrent attitudes.
It's a standard Tory trope which has served them well down the years. "No one is attacking the victims or diverting attention some of us are trying to have a serious debate that's how you find out other peoples way of thinking. Try debating its what the forum is for rather than trying to disrupt it . | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?
That's Priti's problem. Given the abuse she's taken for being brown, being female, etc; she really ought to know better. However, she is so staggeringly stupid, she's incapable of considering the consequences of her actions.
Then again, why should she? Despite all her ignorance, stupidity, insensitivity, inadequacy and vile character flaws; she's ended up Home Secretary.
Being the way she is, hasn't held her back. That tells you all you need to know about how appallingly low standards in UK governance have fallen."And yet so many UK voters keep putting them in office | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. " Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand | |||
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"He's had this to say: "Much as we can't be associated with calls to defund the police, we urgently need to challenge our own attitude to people taking the knee." He's right about taking the knee - but he's had a bit of an irony bypass on defunding the police. People already associate the Tory Party with defunding the police; or, if they don't, they should. After all, according to Home Office figures, between March 2010 and March 2018, police forces in England and Wales lost 21,732 officers - a drop of 15%. Unless the Home Office, Tory at the time, got its figures wrong. So to make this post more accurate you have to remember between 2010 to 2015 the UK government was a coalition government. Wouldn't want you to give out false information would we." Fair point. Consider that straw firmly clutched. Or fig leaf in place, if you prefer. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?
That's Priti's problem. Given the abuse she's taken for being brown, being female, etc; she really ought to know better. However, she is so staggeringly stupid, she's incapable of considering the consequences of her actions.
Then again, why should she? Despite all her ignorance, stupidity, insensitivity, inadequacy and vile character flaws; she's ended up Home Secretary.
Being the way she is, hasn't held her back. That tells you all you need to know about how appallingly low standards in UK governance have fallen.
And yet so many UK voters keep putting them in office"Indeed. Proving standards haven't only fallen in governance. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?
That's Priti's problem. Given the abuse she's taken for being brown, being female, etc; she really ought to know better. However, she is so staggeringly stupid, she's incapable of considering the consequences of her actions.
Then again, why should she? Despite all her ignorance, stupidity, insensitivity, inadequacy and vile character flaws; she's ended up Home Secretary.
Being the way she is, hasn't held her back. That tells you all you need to know about how appallingly low standards in UK governance have fallen.
And yet so many UK voters keep putting them in office
Indeed. Proving standards haven't only fallen in governance."Your ok you have wee Nicola and your football team only appears on the big stage every 20 years or so. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?I think you will find it was her saying that that prompted a statement from the players not the other way round.
Just out of interest do you think it its ok to boo the gesture or not?
The players get paid sh!t loads, to play football, the fans get ripped off with ticket prices. Why can't the players do it in their own time and not the fans time?"Fans don't get ripped off - none of them is forced to buy a ticket. Indeed, a lot of them didn't, on Sunday but they attended anyway. By coincidence that happened because Wembley/the FA didn't want to fund the police. So, when Italian fans were getting beaten up by English thugs, as the left the stadium, the boys (and girls) in blue were nowhere to be seen; because one of the wealthiest organisations in Europe didn't fancy coughing up for a genuine security presence inside their showpiece ground. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?
That's Priti's problem. Given the abuse she's taken for being brown, being female, etc; she really ought to know better. However, she is so staggeringly stupid, she's incapable of considering the consequences of her actions.
Then again, why should she? Despite all her ignorance, stupidity, insensitivity, inadequacy and vile character flaws; she's ended up Home Secretary.
Being the way she is, hasn't held her back. That tells you all you need to know about how appallingly low standards in UK governance have fallen.
And yet so many UK voters keep putting them in office
Indeed. Proving standards haven't only fallen in governance."So are you saying the electorate of UK are only getting what they deserve? I think the majority of the voters under the current system are, not to mention no viable alternative | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?
That's Priti's problem. Given the abuse she's taken for being brown, being female, etc; she really ought to know better. However, she is so staggeringly stupid, she's incapable of considering the consequences of her actions.
Then again, why should she? Despite all her ignorance, stupidity, insensitivity, inadequacy and vile character flaws; she's ended up Home Secretary.
Being the way she is, hasn't held her back. That tells you all you need to know about how appallingly low standards in UK governance have fallen.
And yet so many UK voters keep putting them in office
Indeed. Proving standards haven't only fallen in governance.Your ok you have wee Nicola and your football team only appears on the big stage every 20 years or so. "Even you can do better than that. Follow Boris' advice to the social media companies (who bear no responsibility for racism, just for not keeping it off their platforms) and up your game! LOL | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?I think you will find it was her saying that that prompted a statement from the players not the other way round.
Just out of interest do you think it its ok to boo the gesture or not?
The players get paid sh!t loads, to play football, the fans get ripped off with ticket prices. Why can't the players do it in their own time and not the fans time?
Fans don't get ripped off - none of them is forced to buy a ticket. Indeed, a lot of them didn't, on Sunday but they attended anyway.
By coincidence that happened because Wembley/the FA didn't want to fund the police.
So, when Italian fans were getting beaten up by English thugs, as the left the stadium, the boys (and girls) in blue were nowhere to be seen; because one of the wealthiest organisations in Europe didn't fancy coughing up for a genuine security presence inside their showpiece ground."A little over dramatic but basically yep that's what happened. Football has for many years been thus.  | |||
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Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?
That's Priti's problem. Given the abuse she's taken for being brown, being female, etc; she really ought to know better. However, she is so staggeringly stupid, she's incapable of considering the consequences of her actions.
Then again, why should she? Despite all her ignorance, stupidity, insensitivity, inadequacy and vile character flaws; she's ended up Home Secretary.
Being the way she is, hasn't held her back. That tells you all you need to know about how appallingly low standards in UK governance have fallen.
And yet so many UK voters keep putting them in office
Indeed. Proving standards haven't only fallen in governance.
So are you saying the electorate of UK are only getting what they deserve?
I think the majority of the voters under the current system are, not to mention no viable alternative"Yep. They deserve better. They just won't vote for it. Or, as you say, regarding the system, they can't - and that's the bigger problem. | |||
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"He's had this to say: "Much as we can't be associated with calls to defund the police, we urgently need to challenge our own attitude to people taking the knee." He's right about taking the knee - but he's had a bit of an irony bypass on defunding the police. People already associate the Tory Party with defunding the police; or, if they don't, they should. After all, according to Home Office figures, between March 2010 and March 2018, police forces in England and Wales lost 21,732 officers - a drop of 15%. Unless the Home Office, Tory at the time, got its figures wrong. So to make this post more accurate you have to remember between 2010 to 2015 the UK government was a coalition government. Wouldn't want you to give out false information would we. Fair point. Consider that straw firmly clutched. Or fig leaf in place, if you prefer." | |||
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Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?I think you will find it was her saying that that prompted a statement from the players not the other way round.
Just out of interest do you think it its ok to boo the gesture or not?
The players get paid sh!t loads, to play football, the fans get ripped off with ticket prices. Why can't the players do it in their own time and not the fans time?
Fans don't get ripped off - none of them is forced to buy a ticket. Indeed, a lot of them didn't, on Sunday but they attended anyway.
By coincidence that happened because Wembley/the FA didn't want to fund the police.
So, when Italian fans were getting beaten up by English thugs, as the left the stadium, the boys (and girls) in blue were nowhere to be seen; because one of the wealthiest organisations in Europe didn't fancy coughing up for a genuine security presence inside their showpiece ground.
A little over dramatic but basically yep that's what happened. Football has for many years been thus. "Good to know we agree - despite the drama. To get a bit more dramatic - nobody wants another avoidable disaster at a football ground. So, time to sort this shit out. | |||
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"It's like it's some kind of game. The level of people trying one-upmanship is fucking unreal in here. In what way exactly? The way I see it the players have decided to make a gesture about racism. A big chunk of society has said they are wrong. You either agree with the players or with the types of patel and johnson. Cant see where 1 upmanship comes into it at all. Yeah. You wouldn't see it. Happens on almost every thread. And from both sides of the central line. Besides this thread was actually about police funding cuts
I am sorry… the steve baker quote was about taking the knee … how silly of me to answer back to someone talking about taking the knee…..
Well again I am glad that I have been told what I should be taking about….
Who told you what you should be talking about?
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand " So to clarify Fans dont agree with players taking a knee but are behind a Campaign which fully endorses the gesture? | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand So to clarify Fans dont agree with players taking a knee but are behind a Campaign which fully endorses the gesture?" Racism should not be tolerated but the BLM taking the knee just winds people up. | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand So to clarify Fans dont agree with players taking a knee but are behind a Campaign which fully endorses the gesture?" They're not behind the gesture Lionel. You know this as well as everyone else does | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?I think you will find it was her saying that that prompted a statement from the players not the other way round.
Just out of interest do you think it its ok to boo the gesture or not?
The players get paid sh!t loads, to play football, the fans get ripped off with ticket prices. Why can't the players do it in their own time and not the fans time?
Fans don't get ripped off - none of them is forced to buy a ticket. Indeed, a lot of them didn't, on Sunday but they attended anyway.
By coincidence that happened because Wembley/the FA didn't want to fund the police.
So, when Italian fans were getting beaten up by English thugs, as the left the stadium, the boys (and girls) in blue were nowhere to be seen; because one of the wealthiest organisations in Europe didn't fancy coughing up for a genuine security presence inside their showpiece ground.
A little over dramatic but basically yep that's what happened. Football has for many years been thus.
Good to know we agree - despite the drama.
To get a bit more dramatic - nobody wants another avoidable disaster at a football ground. So, time to sort this shit out."I say sack em all and give the outrageous salaries to the needy | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand So to clarify Fans dont agree with players taking a knee but are behind a Campaign which fully endorses the gesture? They're not behind the gesture Lionel. You know this as well as everyone else does " You wanna just confirm that before I post a link from kick.it out fully supporting the gesture? | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand So to clarify Fans dont agree with players taking a knee but are behind a Campaign which fully endorses the gesture? They're not behind the gesture Lionel. You know this as well as everyone else does You wanna just confirm that before I post a link from kick.it out fully supporting the gesture?" I was talking about the fans. Do try to keep up | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?I think you will find it was her saying that that prompted a statement from the players not the other way round.
Just out of interest do you think it its ok to boo the gesture or not? "No… I think you will find it was her 2nd tweet that prompted the reaction from the England player who on his debut was racially abused in Bulgaria .. of which the first tweet was mentioned
So do I think it was okay to boo the gesture, freedom of speech… however if you decide to boo the gesture knowing the context behind the gesture because people had again and again told you the context behind the gesture….. then I think it’s fair game to assume you are against said context!
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate? "Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem. Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down. This is not new. The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said. Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political."Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political."By that logical because she comes from a family of immigrants, She would treat all immigrants with courest and respect. Which of course she does. | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand So to clarify Fans dont agree with players taking a knee but are behind a Campaign which fully endorses the gesture? They're not behind the gesture Lionel. You know this as well as everyone else does You wanna just confirm that before I post a link from kick.it out fully supporting the gesture? I was talking about the fans. Do try to keep up" The irony. I'll try again You said the fans were against taking the knee but fully supported kick it out. Kick it out are fully behind taking the knee. So explain that one to ne again. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Are you just trying different lines to see if any will stick or gain traction?
The fact is she called it gesture politics…. She either didn’t listen to what the players were saying, or thought she knew better!
So which was it?I think you will find it was her saying that that prompted a statement from the players not the other way round.
Just out of interest do you think it its ok to boo the gesture or not?
No… I think you will find it was her 2nd tweet that prompted the reaction from the England player who on his debut was racially abused in Bulgaria .. of which the first tweet was mentioned
So do I think it was okay to boo the gesture, freedom of speech… however if you decide to boo the gesture knowing the context behind the gesture because people had again and again told you the context behind the gesture….. then I think it’s fair game to assume you are against said context!
If You boo an anti racist stance… why should I believe you are not racist! "well i wouldn't boo so lets get that straight from the start but this is always the way it goes with threads about race if you are against something people assume you are racist even if you tell them you are not. You can be against a gesture and not the cause, take a look at Wilfred Saha he doesn't take the knee but is fully behind kick it out it doesn't mean he supports racism. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad."And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too? | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand So to clarify Fans dont agree with players taking a knee but are behind a Campaign which fully endorses the gesture? They're not behind the gesture Lionel. You know this as well as everyone else does You wanna just confirm that before I post a link from kick.it out fully supporting the gesture? I was talking about the fans. Do try to keep up The irony. I'll try again You said the fans were against taking the knee but fully supported kick it out. Kick it out are fully behind taking the knee. So explain that one to ne again." you are another one who cant see the difference between gestures and causes just because you are behind something doesnt mean you have to agree on everything. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?"No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?"
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"I'd love to know the source of this 'good number ' and why would foreign people use racial abuse to attack black players for missing a pen for England?" google yet again is your friend but heres a starter as i guess you dont have google. https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/social-media/2021/07/who-behind-online-abuse-black-england-players-and-how-can-we-stop | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess."Wow...just wow... | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow... "Foreign city fans I heard ..came over in disguise | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow...
Foreign city fans I heard ..came over in disguise
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow... "I know… excuse after excuse after excuse… You know when you are not surprised by people reaching… this! Some people will always find a way to excuse | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand So to clarify Fans dont agree with players taking a knee but are behind a Campaign which fully endorses the gesture? They're not behind the gesture Lionel. You know this as well as everyone else does You wanna just confirm that before I post a link from kick.it out fully supporting the gesture? I was talking about the fans. Do try to keep up The irony. I'll try again You said the fans were against taking the knee but fully supported kick it out. Kick it out are fully behind taking the knee. So explain that one to ne again." I said they cheered the linking of arms. I can type slower if it makes it easier for you | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand So to clarify Fans dont agree with players taking a knee but are behind a Campaign which fully endorses the gesture? They're not behind the gesture Lionel. You know this as well as everyone else does You wanna just confirm that before I post a link from kick.it out fully supporting the gesture? I was talking about the fans. Do try to keep up The irony. I'll try again You said the fans were against taking the knee but fully supported kick it out. Kick it out are fully behind taking the knee. So explain that one to ne again. I said they cheered the linking of arms. I can type slower if it makes it easier for you Its just not going in is it? 1 last go. They are against taking the knee. But they support an organisation which fully supports taking the knee. After this, I'm done." What are you not understanding about them not supporting a gesture linked to BLM but supporting a gesture endorsed by Kick It Out | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand So to clarify Fans dont agree with players taking a knee but are behind a Campaign which fully endorses the gesture? They're not behind the gesture Lionel. You know this as well as everyone else does You wanna just confirm that before I post a link from kick.it out fully supporting the gesture? I was talking about the fans. Do try to keep up The irony. I'll try again You said the fans were against taking the knee but fully supported kick it out. Kick it out are fully behind taking the knee. So explain that one to ne again. I said they cheered the linking of arms. I can type slower if it makes it easier for you Its just not going in is it? 1 last go. They are against taking the knee. But they support an organisation which fully supports taking the knee. After this, I'm done. What are you not understanding about them not supporting a gesture linked to BLM but supporting a gesture endorsed by Kick It Out" Right. So I'll repeat a point made me couple in lancs Black people should only protest against racism in a way that white people approve off? It's a simple yes or no question. | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand So to clarify Fans dont agree with players taking a knee but are behind a Campaign which fully endorses the gesture? They're not behind the gesture Lionel. You know this as well as everyone else does You wanna just confirm that before I post a link from kick.it out fully supporting the gesture? I was talking about the fans. Do try to keep up The irony. I'll try again You said the fans were against taking the knee but fully supported kick it out. Kick it out are fully behind taking the knee. So explain that one to ne again. I said they cheered the linking of arms. I can type slower if it makes it easier for you Its just not going in is it? 1 last go. They are against taking the knee. But they support an organisation which fully supports taking the knee. After this, I'm done. What are you not understanding about them not supporting a gesture linked to BLM but supporting a gesture endorsed by Kick It Out Right. So I'll repeat a point made me couple in lancs Black people should only protest against racism in a way that white people approve off? It's a simple yes or no question." Plenty of black people are against BLM and taking the knee. You clearly only see the colour of people's skin and lump them into one group. You should be ashamed | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand So to clarify Fans dont agree with players taking a knee but are behind a Campaign which fully endorses the gesture? They're not behind the gesture Lionel. You know this as well as everyone else does You wanna just confirm that before I post a link from kick.it out fully supporting the gesture? I was talking about the fans. Do try to keep up The irony. I'll try again You said the fans were against taking the knee but fully supported kick it out. Kick it out are fully behind taking the knee. So explain that one to ne again. I said they cheered the linking of arms. I can type slower if it makes it easier for you Its just not going in is it? 1 last go. They are against taking the knee. But they support an organisation which fully supports taking the knee. After this, I'm done. What are you not understanding about them not supporting a gesture linked to BLM but supporting a gesture endorsed by Kick It Out Right. So I'll repeat a point made me couple in lancs Black people should only protest against racism in a way that white people approve off? It's a simple yes or no question. Plenty of black people are against BLM and taking the knee. You clearly only see the colour of people's skin and lump them into one group. You should be ashamed "
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic." Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading." The topic is about England fans getting abused by england fans on twitter. You have suggested thsn an unknown number may come from abroad What relevance does this have to the English fans,listed above,you were punished and the many more who were not? | |||
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"Has anyone pointed out that kick it out are fully behind the taking the knee gesture yet ?Maybe they have but unfortunately that gesture has already been associated with the BLM movement and to some always will be, just like the swastika is associated with nazi,s or skinheads with right wing thugs. Exactly what I have said a hundred times They can try to disassociate it from the BLM riots as much as they like but people aren't suddenly going to forget what happened last summer Stick with linking arms for the Kick It Out campaign and the fans will cheer again. It's not hard to understand So to clarify Fans dont agree with players taking a knee but are behind a Campaign which fully endorses the gesture? They're not behind the gesture Lionel. You know this as well as everyone else does You wanna just confirm that before I post a link from kick.it out fully supporting the gesture? I was talking about the fans. Do try to keep up The irony. I'll try again You said the fans were against taking the knee but fully supported kick it out. Kick it out are fully behind taking the knee. So explain that one to ne again. I said they cheered the linking of arms. I can type slower if it makes it easier for you Its just not going in is it? 1 last go. They are against taking the knee. But they support an organisation which fully supports taking the knee. After this, I'm done. What are you not understanding about them not supporting a gesture linked to BLM but supporting a gesture endorsed by Kick It Out Right. So I'll repeat a point made me couple in lancs Black people should only protest against racism in a way that white people approve off? It's a simple yes or no question. Plenty of black people are against BLM and taking the knee. You clearly only see the colour of people's skin and lump them into one group. You should be ashamed
Why should I be ashamed?
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. The topic is about England fans getting abused by england fans on twitter. You have suggested thsn an unknown number may come from abroad What relevance does this have to the English fans,listed above,you were punished and the many more who were not?" As i said before read slowly read it all that means not just what i said but the person i was having a discussion with, it really helps to get the context of the conversation and stops me having to explain everything to you. | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. The topic is about England fans getting abused by england fans on twitter. You have suggested thsn an unknown number may come from abroad What relevance does this have to the English fans,listed above,you were punished and the many more who were not?As i said before read slowly read it all that means not just what i said but the person i was having a discussion with, it really helps to get the context of the conversation and stops me having to explain everything to you. "Right so there is no relevance whatsoever. Cool I'll leave you desperately digging that hole for yourself | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. The topic is about England fans getting abused by england fans on twitter. You have suggested thsn an unknown number may come from abroad What relevance does this have to the English fans,listed above,you were punished and the many more who were not?As i said before read slowly read it all that means not just what i said but the person i was having a discussion with, it really helps to get the context of the conversation and stops me having to explain everything to you.
Right so there is no relevance whatsoever.
Cool
I'll leave you desperately digging that hole for yourself
"Thanks but im not in a hole i can see why you think that though you seem pretty confused by a lot of posts on here. i bid you good day. | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading." Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. The topic is about England fans getting abused by england fans on twitter. You have suggested thsn an unknown number may come from abroad What relevance does this have to the English fans,listed above,you were punished and the many more who were not?As i said before read slowly read it all that means not just what i said but the person i was having a discussion with, it really helps to get the context of the conversation and stops me having to explain everything to you.
Right so there is no relevance whatsoever.
Cool
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Thanks but im not in a hole i can see why you think that though you seem pretty confused by a lot of posts on here. i bid you good day."Its probally something to do with the fact that literally everyone on here has called you out but do continue | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? " I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. The topic is about England fans getting abused by england fans on twitter. You have suggested thsn an unknown number may come from abroad What relevance does this have to the English fans,listed above,you were punished and the many more who were not?As i said before read slowly read it all that means not just what i said but the person i was having a discussion with, it really helps to get the context of the conversation and stops me having to explain everything to you.
Right so there is no relevance whatsoever.
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I'll leave you desperately digging that hole for yourself
Thanks but im not in a hole i can see why you think that though you seem pretty confused by a lot of posts on here. i bid you good day.
Its probally something to do with the fact that literally everyone on here has called you out but do continue
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you?" So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation " People never booed the take a stand campaign by kick it out when they all stood against racism, have all these people suddenly become racist then? or could they just be booing the taking the knee? i know what my money is on. | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation " I think the players really need to get permission from the likes of patel and the booing community before they take such action tbh. | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation I think the players really need to get permission from the likes of patel and the booing community before they take such action tbh." you see you are just being very silly again it doesnt show you in a good light when you find it impossible to debate. | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation People never booed the take a stand campaign by kick it out when they all stood against racism, have all these people suddenly become racist then? or could they just be booing the taking the knee? i know what my money is on." It’s simple, the vast majority of the crowd knew why they were taking the knee and respected the players and managers decision , the small minority that booed are either stupid, ignorant or racist , which one is it? | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation People never booed the take a stand campaign by kick it out when they all stood against racism, have all these people suddenly become racist then? or could they just be booing the taking the knee? i know what my money is on. It’s simple, the vast majority of the crowd knew why they were taking the knee and respected the players and managers decision , the small minority that booed are either stupid, ignorant or racist , which one is it? " Go back to the beginning of the thread and read it im not going over the same ground yet again all my thoughts are there. Maybe a small minority didnt like the gesture | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation People never booed the take a stand campaign by kick it out when they all stood against racism, have all these people suddenly become racist then? or could they just be booing the taking the knee? i know what my money is on. It’s simple, the vast majority of the crowd knew why they were taking the knee and respected the players and managers decision , the small minority that booed are either stupid, ignorant or racist , which one is it? Go back to the beginning of the thread and read it im not going over the same ground yet again all my thoughts are there. Maybe a small minority didnt like the gesture "The England players and management have explained on numerous occasions why they decided to take the knee, they even asked the fans not to boo. The ‘fans’ who decided to boo are either stupid , ignorant or racist , there really is no other reason . | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation People never booed the take a stand campaign by kick it out when they all stood against racism, have all these people suddenly become racist then? or could they just be booing the taking the knee? i know what my money is on. It’s simple, the vast majority of the crowd knew why they were taking the knee and respected the players and managers decision , the small minority that booed are either stupid, ignorant or racist , which one is it? Go back to the beginning of the thread and read it im not going over the same ground yet again all my thoughts are there. Maybe a small minority didnt like the gesture
The England players and management have explained on numerous occasions why they decided to take the knee, they even asked the fans not to boo. The ‘fans’ who decided to boo are either stupid , ignorant or racist , there really is no other reason . "Well i would imagine there was a proportion of all 3 at the match tbh but do you think that led to the abuse after , if they had won would it have happened? | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation People never booed the take a stand campaign by kick it out when they all stood against racism, have all these people suddenly become racist then? or could they just be booing the taking the knee? i know what my money is on. It’s simple, the vast majority of the crowd knew why they were taking the knee and respected the players and managers decision , the small minority that booed are either stupid, ignorant or racist , which one is it? Go back to the beginning of the thread and read it im not going over the same ground yet again all my thoughts are there. Maybe a small minority didnt like the gesture
The England players and management have explained on numerous occasions why they decided to take the knee, they even asked the fans not to boo. The ‘fans’ who decided to boo are either stupid , ignorant or racist , there really is no other reason . "possibly all 3 | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow...
I know… excuse after excuse after excuse…
You know when you are not surprised by people reaching… this!
Some people will always find a way to excuse "It's beyond the joke. The amount of straws being clutched at has turned the forums into a barn!
So let's recap...
Online tweets from abroad so only a "minority" here in the UK.
Vandalism of the Rashford mural by a bunch of Man City fans (Like anyone gives a shit what club they follow) so only a "minority" here in the UK.
If they won, it wouldn't have happened. The "minority" would have kept their thoughts to themselves...and waited for a more suitable time to let rip. Have I missed anything?
The icing on the cake is we continue to debate the protest and not the reason for it which the players have stated, even when it blows up in the nature it has in recent days. The offense is the fight against racism rather than the racism itself.
I read in another thread that we need "Leadership and Education" in tackling this problem. We lacked leadership from Johnson and Patel and we're not learning from these incidents so they will continue to happen until we accept that it's not just a "minority" of people.
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation People never booed the take a stand campaign by kick it out when they all stood against racism, have all these people suddenly become racist then? or could they just be booing the taking the knee? i know what my money is on. It’s simple, the vast majority of the crowd knew why they were taking the knee and respected the players and managers decision , the small minority that booed are either stupid, ignorant or racist , which one is it? Go back to the beginning of the thread and read it im not going over the same ground yet again all my thoughts are there. Maybe a small minority didnt like the gesture
The England players and management have explained on numerous occasions why they decided to take the knee, they even asked the fans not to boo. The ‘fans’ who decided to boo are either stupid , ignorant or racist , there really is no other reason . "Or maybe believe they also have a right to freedom of booing ? | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation People never booed the take a stand campaign by kick it out when they all stood against racism, have all these people suddenly become racist then? or could they just be booing the taking the knee? i know what my money is on. It’s simple, the vast majority of the crowd knew why they were taking the knee and respected the players and managers decision , the small minority that booed are either stupid, ignorant or racist , which one is it? Go back to the beginning of the thread and read it im not going over the same ground yet again all my thoughts are there. Maybe a small minority didnt like the gesture
The England players and management have explained on numerous occasions why they decided to take the knee, they even asked the fans not to boo. The ‘fans’ who decided to boo are either stupid , ignorant or racist , there really is no other reason .
Or maybe believe they also have a right to freedom of booing ?"Oh they do have the right to boo…nobody is saying that! However if people are booing knowing the context behind the gesture being done then they are either stupid, ignorant or racist …. So do you think most will claim ignorance or will be brave and come out? | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation People never booed the take a stand campaign by kick it out when they all stood against racism, have all these people suddenly become racist then? or could they just be booing the taking the knee? i know what my money is on. It’s simple, the vast majority of the crowd knew why they were taking the knee and respected the players and managers decision , the small minority that booed are either stupid, ignorant or racist , which one is it? Go back to the beginning of the thread and read it im not going over the same ground yet again all my thoughts are there. Maybe a small minority didnt like the gesture
The England players and management have explained on numerous occasions why they decided to take the knee, they even asked the fans not to boo. The ‘fans’ who decided to boo are either stupid , ignorant or racist , there really is no other reason . possibly all 3 "Probably, the same could be said about the Home Secretary | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation People never booed the take a stand campaign by kick it out when they all stood against racism, have all these people suddenly become racist then? or could they just be booing the taking the knee? i know what my money is on. It’s simple, the vast majority of the crowd knew why they were taking the knee and respected the players and managers decision , the small minority that booed are either stupid, ignorant or racist , which one is it? Go back to the beginning of the thread and read it im not going over the same ground yet again all my thoughts are there. Maybe a small minority didnt like the gesture
The England players and management have explained on numerous occasions why they decided to take the knee, they even asked the fans not to boo. The ‘fans’ who decided to boo are either stupid , ignorant or racist , there really is no other reason .
Or maybe believe they also have a right to freedom of booing ?
Oh they do have the right to boo…nobody is saying that! However if people are booing knowing the context behind the gesture being done then they are either stupid, ignorant or racist ….
So do you think most will claim ignorance or will be brave and come out?"A very simplistic view, you seem to be avoiding the question as to why the England fans were totally behind the "take a stand campaign" by kick it out and clapped when they liked arms before a match and why they have been booing at matches since they adopted the BLM taking the knee. Any thoughts? | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation People never booed the take a stand campaign by kick it out when they all stood against racism, have all these people suddenly become racist then? or could they just be booing the taking the knee? i know what my money is on. It’s simple, the vast majority of the crowd knew why they were taking the knee and respected the players and managers decision , the small minority that booed are either stupid, ignorant or racist , which one is it? Go back to the beginning of the thread and read it im not going over the same ground yet again all my thoughts are there. Maybe a small minority didnt like the gesture
The England players and management have explained on numerous occasions why they decided to take the knee, they even asked the fans not to boo. The ‘fans’ who decided to boo are either stupid , ignorant or racist , there really is no other reason .
Or maybe believe they also have a right to freedom of booing ?
Oh they do have the right to boo…nobody is saying that! However if people are booing knowing the context behind the gesture being done then they are either stupid, ignorant or racist ….
So do you think most will claim ignorance or will be brave and come out? A very simplistic view, you seem to be avoiding the question as to why the England fans were totally behind the "take a stand campaign" by kick it out and clapped when they liked arms before a match and why they have been booing at matches since they adopted the BLM taking the knee.
Any thoughts? "Because we have a Home Secretary who has said it’s ok to boo and a PM who refuses to condone the booing ?? | |||
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"What relevance is that an unknown no of tweets may have come from abroad? How is that in any way relevant to at least 3 people from this country have been convicted from this country?and doubtless countless more. There is no relevance what so ever to the issue of England fans sending players racist tweets. Its just another desperate deflection tactic.Read entirely what i wrote very slowly and you wont have to ask these questions you will have the answers and its not a desperate attempt to deflect you are doing that all by yourself by not reading. Do you agree/support the people who were boing the England players during the Euros? I have no problem people booing something they dont like that doesn't seem to be the issue. I believe people were booing the gesture of taking the knee not the cause but others believe they were booing the cause that seems to be the main debate on here how about you? So you agree with and support the people who booed the players even though the reasons for taking the knee have been explained by the players and manager on numerous occasions ? No, i think the people booing are ignorant, stupid or racist , there can be no other explanation People never booed the take a stand campaign by kick it out when they all stood against racism, have all these people suddenly become racist then? or could they just be booing the taking the knee? i know what my money is on. It’s simple, the vast majority of the crowd knew why they were taking the knee and respected the players and managers decision , the small minority that booed are either stupid, ignorant or racist , which one is it? Go back to the beginning of the thread and read it im not going over the same ground yet again all my thoughts are there. Maybe a small minority didnt like the gesture
The England players and management have explained on numerous occasions why they decided to take the knee, they even asked the fans not to boo. The ‘fans’ who decided to boo are either stupid , ignorant or racist , there really is no other reason .
Or maybe believe they also have a right to freedom of booing ?
Oh they do have the right to boo…nobody is saying that! However if people are booing knowing the context behind the gesture being done then they are either stupid, ignorant or racist ….
So do you think most will claim ignorance or will be brave and come out? A very simplistic view, you seem to be avoiding the question as to why the England fans were totally behind the "take a stand campaign" by kick it out and clapped when they liked arms before a match and why they have been booing at matches since they adopted the BLM taking the knee.
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Because we have a Home Secretary who has said it’s ok to boo and a PM who refuses to condone the booing ?? "But they were booing before either of them got involved so that cant be the reason but thanks for trying all the others avoided that question. | |||
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"A very simplistic view, you seem to be avoiding the question as to why the England fans were totally behind the "take a stand campaign" by kick it out and clapped when they liked arms before a match and why they have been booing at matches since they adopted the BLM taking the knee. Any thoughts? " Any thoughts… yep, you keep coming back to this like it’s an excuse.. but it is in fact a red herring and whatsboutery So let’s go back to some actual facts This England team decided on which gesture they would use…. This England team explained to the world on many different occasions what said gesture meant to them…. Those are the facts….. the home sec decided to come out again said gesture…. The prime minister refused to condemn people booing said gesture!!! So again… if people knew what said gesture meant to those doing it, and people decided to still boo said gesture, do we call that ignorance, stupidity, or they are against meaning of said gesture.. which in this case would mean they would be racist…. Booing isn’t a neutral action… so let’s not make excuses | |||
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"A very simplistic view, you seem to be avoiding the question as to why the England fans were totally behind the "take a stand campaign" by kick it out and clapped when they liked arms before a match and why they have been booing at matches since they adopted the BLM taking the knee. Any thoughts? Any thoughts… yep, you keep coming back to this like it’s an excuse.. but it is in fact a red herring and whatsboutery So let’s go back to some actual facts This England team decided on which gesture they would use…. This England team explained to the world on many different occasions what said gesture meant to them…. Those are the facts….. the home sec decided to come out again said gesture…. The prime minister refused to condemn people booing said gesture!!! So again… if people knew what said gesture meant to those doing it, and people decided to still boo said gesture, do we call that ignorance, stupidity, or they are against meaning of said gesture.. which in this case would mean they would be racist…. Booing isn’t a neutral action… so let’s not make excuses " So what you're saying is that you can't explain why they cheer the linking of arms but boo the taking of the knee. Good job it's been explained for you numerous times | |||
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"So we now dont have freedom of speech in this country then. Person A makes a gesture which they are 100 % allowed to absolutely no argument, they say it's for reason 1. Person B says we believe said gesture is aligned to reason 2 and we will show that opinion by booing. Now tell me why person B doesnt not have, in a free society that right. You either believe in free speech or you dont, you cant pick and choose, except in a very very few circumstances such as encouraging violence. " Then person B did not listen to person A, and presumed they know better than person A what the intent of person A was Unless you are now trying to infer without any evidence that the motive of person A is somewhat less than genuine, in which case, person B still thinks that they know better than person A…. Basically person B is making a whole bunch of assumptions with nothing to back it up with…. But yeah…. Boo away!!!!! That is not the fault of person A… | |||
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"A very simplistic view, you seem to be avoiding the question as to why the England fans were totally behind the "take a stand campaign" by kick it out and clapped when they liked arms before a match and why they have been booing at matches since they adopted the BLM taking the knee. Any thoughts? Any thoughts… yep, you keep coming back to this like it’s an excuse.. but it is in fact a red herring and whatsboutery So let’s go back to some actual facts This England team decided on which gesture they would use…. This England team explained to the world on many different occasions what said gesture meant to them…. Those are the facts….. the home sec decided to come out again said gesture…. The prime minister refused to condemn people booing said gesture!!! So again… if people knew what said gesture meant to those doing it, and people decided to still boo said gesture, do we call that ignorance, stupidity, or they are against meaning of said gesture.. which in this case would mean they would be racist…. Booing isn’t a neutral action… so let’s not make excuses So what you're saying is that you can't explain why they cheer the linking of arms but boo the taking of the knee. Good job it's been explained for you numerous times " Ironic that you used the word “explained” in your reply…. Because that is what this England team have done SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING!!!!!!! So again… if you decide not to listen to them, that’s not on them!! | |||
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"A very simplistic view, you seem to be avoiding the question as to why the England fans were totally behind the "take a stand campaign" by kick it out and clapped when they liked arms before a match and why they have been booing at matches since they adopted the BLM taking the knee. Any thoughts? Any thoughts… yep, you keep coming back to this like it’s an excuse.. but it is in fact a red herring and whatsboutery So let’s go back to some actual facts This England team decided on which gesture they would use…. This England team explained to the world on many different occasions what said gesture meant to them…. Those are the facts….. the home sec decided to come out again said gesture…. The prime minister refused to condemn people booing said gesture!!! So again… if people knew what said gesture meant to those doing it, and people decided to still boo said gesture, do we call that ignorance, stupidity, or they are against meaning of said gesture.. which in this case would mean they would be racist…. Booing isn’t a neutral action… so let’s not make excuses So what you're saying is that you can't explain why they cheer the linking of arms but boo the taking of the knee. Good job it's been explained for you numerous times Ironic that you used the word “explained” in your reply…. Because that is what this England team have done SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING!!!!!!! So again… if you decide not to listen to them, that’s not on them!!" People have explained why they're booing and the players can say its nothing to with BLM all they like but it's hardly a coincidence that they started kneeling after the BLM riots is it. People dont just forget about stuff like that | |||
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"A very simplistic view, you seem to be avoiding the question as to why the England fans were totally behind the "take a stand campaign" by kick it out and clapped when they liked arms before a match and why they have been booing at matches since they adopted the BLM taking the knee. Any thoughts? Any thoughts… yep, you keep coming back to this like it’s an excuse.. but it is in fact a red herring and whatsboutery So let’s go back to some actual facts This England team decided on which gesture they would use…. This England team explained to the world on many different occasions what said gesture meant to them…. Those are the facts….. the home sec decided to come out again said gesture…. The prime minister refused to condemn people booing said gesture!!! So again… if people knew what said gesture meant to those doing it, and people decided to still boo said gesture, do we call that ignorance, stupidity, or they are against meaning of said gesture.. which in this case would mean they would be racist…. Booing isn’t a neutral action… so let’s not make excuses So what you're saying is that you can't explain why they cheer the linking of arms but boo the taking of the knee. Good job it's been explained for you numerous times Ironic that you used the word “explained” in your reply…. Because that is what this England team have done SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING!!!!!!! So again… if you decide not to listen to them, that’s not on them!! People have explained why they're booing and the players can say its nothing to with BLM all they like but it's hardly a coincidence that they started kneeling after the BLM riots is it. People dont just forget about stuff like that" | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow...
I know… excuse after excuse after excuse…
You know when you are not surprised by people reaching… this!
Some people will always find a way to excuse
It's beyond the joke. The amount of straws being clutched at has turned the forums into a barn!
So let's recap...
Online tweets from abroad so only a "minority" here in the UK.
Vandalism of the Rashford mural by a bunch of Man City fans (Like anyone gives a shit what club they follow) so only a "minority" here in the UK.
If they won, it wouldn't have happened. The "minority" would have kept their thoughts to themselves...and waited for a more suitable time to let rip. Have I missed anything?
The icing on the cake is we continue to debate the protest and not the reason for it which the players have stated, even when it blows up in the nature it has in recent days. The offense is the fight against racism rather than the racism itself.
I read in another thread that we need "Leadership and Education" in tackling this problem. We lacked leadership from Johnson and Patel and we're not learning from these incidents so they will continue to happen until we accept that it's not just a "minority" of people.
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"So we now dont have freedom of speech in this country then. Person A makes a gesture which they are 100 % allowed to absolutely no argument, they say it's for reason 1. Person B says we believe said gesture is aligned to reason 2 and we will show that opinion by booing. Now tell me why person B doesnt not have, in a free society that right. You either believe in free speech or you dont, you cant pick and choose, except in a very very few circumstances such as encouraging violence. Then person B did not listen to person A, and presumed they know better than person A what the intent of person A was Unless you are now trying to infer without any evidence that the motive of person A is somewhat less than genuine, in which case, person B still thinks that they know better than person A…. Basically person B is making a whole bunch of assumptions with nothing to back it up with…. But yeah…. Boo away!!!!! That is not the fault of person A… "No that's is not what person B is saying. They are saying WE believe that taking the knee is political, they have a right to that opinion. You have the opinion that brexit was bad, I have the opinion it's good, both are perfectly valid opinions, we can both say the others opinion is mistaken, it's free speech, I 100% agree the players have the right to take the knee if they wish too and I 100% agree that those who believe its political can boo. | |||
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels." Nothing judgemental in that then. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow...
I know… excuse after excuse after excuse…
You know when you are not surprised by people reaching… this!
Some people will always find a way to excuse
It's beyond the joke. The amount of straws being clutched at has turned the forums into a barn!
So let's recap...
Online tweets from abroad so only a "minority" here in the UK.
Vandalism of the Rashford mural by a bunch of Man City fans (Like anyone gives a shit what club they follow) so only a "minority" here in the UK.
If they won, it wouldn't have happened. The "minority" would have kept their thoughts to themselves...and waited for a more suitable time to let rip. Have I missed anything?
The icing on the cake is we continue to debate the protest and not the reason for it which the players have stated, even when it blows up in the nature it has in recent days. The offense is the fight against racism rather than the racism itself.
I read in another thread that we need "Leadership and Education" in tackling this problem. We lacked leadership from Johnson and Patel and we're not learning from these incidents so they will continue to happen until we accept that it's not just a "minority" of people.
I think its fairly obvious what's going on
People havemt got the front to say to say it,so its dressed up in whatabouttery and deflection "Yes the usual retort you must be racist if you dont agree with me, its an excuse or its whataboutery and deflection.
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow...
I know… excuse after excuse after excuse…
You know when you are not surprised by people reaching… this!
Some people will always find a way to excuse
It's beyond the joke. The amount of straws being clutched at has turned the forums into a barn!
So let's recap...
Online tweets from abroad so only a "minority" here in the UK.
Vandalism of the Rashford mural by a bunch of Man City fans (Like anyone gives a shit what club they follow) so only a "minority" here in the UK.
If they won, it wouldn't have happened. The "minority" would have kept their thoughts to themselves...and waited for a more suitable time to let rip. Have I missed anything?
The icing on the cake is we continue to debate the protest and not the reason for it which the players have stated, even when it blows up in the nature it has in recent days. The offense is the fight against racism rather than the racism itself.
I read in another thread that we need "Leadership and Education" in tackling this problem. We lacked leadership from Johnson and Patel and we're not learning from these incidents so they will continue to happen until we accept that it's not just a "minority" of people.
I think its fairly obvious what's going on
People havemt got the front to say to say it,so its dressed up in whatabouttery and deflection "It is fairly obvious what's going on. You've had your arguments dismantled yet again and your last resort is to imply that it must be because they're all racist. It's just boring now Lionel | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow...
I know… excuse after excuse after excuse…
You know when you are not surprised by people reaching… this!
Some people will always find a way to excuse
It's beyond the joke. The amount of straws being clutched at has turned the forums into a barn!
So let's recap...
Online tweets from abroad so only a "minority" here in the UK.
Vandalism of the Rashford mural by a bunch of Man City fans (Like anyone gives a shit what club they follow) so only a "minority" here in the UK.
If they won, it wouldn't have happened. The "minority" would have kept their thoughts to themselves...and waited for a more suitable time to let rip. Have I missed anything?
The icing on the cake is we continue to debate the protest and not the reason for it which the players have stated, even when it blows up in the nature it has in recent days. The offense is the fight against racism rather than the racism itself.
I read in another thread that we need "Leadership and Education" in tackling this problem. We lacked leadership from Johnson and Patel and we're not learning from these incidents so they will continue to happen until we accept that it's not just a "minority" of people.
I think its fairly obvious what's going on
People havemt got the front to say to say it,so its dressed up in whatabouttery and deflection
It is fairly obvious what's going on. You've had your arguments dismantled yet again and your last resort is to imply that it must be because they're all racist. It's just boring now Lionel "Erm. No actually because the argument that players shouldnt take the knee has been rather embarrassingly completely took apart. But well done for hanging in there | |||
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels. Nothing judgemental in that then." You couldn't make it up could you
And now you have to have studied Marx to turn on the news and see what happened during the BLM riots
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow...
I know… excuse after excuse after excuse…
You know when you are not surprised by people reaching… this!
Some people will always find a way to excuse
It's beyond the joke. The amount of straws being clutched at has turned the forums into a barn!
So let's recap...
Online tweets from abroad so only a "minority" here in the UK.
Vandalism of the Rashford mural by a bunch of Man City fans (Like anyone gives a shit what club they follow) so only a "minority" here in the UK.
If they won, it wouldn't have happened. The "minority" would have kept their thoughts to themselves...and waited for a more suitable time to let rip. Have I missed anything?
The icing on the cake is we continue to debate the protest and not the reason for it which the players have stated, even when it blows up in the nature it has in recent days. The offense is the fight against racism rather than the racism itself.
I read in another thread that we need "Leadership and Education" in tackling this problem. We lacked leadership from Johnson and Patel and we're not learning from these incidents so they will continue to happen until we accept that it's not just a "minority" of people.
I think its fairly obvious what's going on
People havemt got the front to say to say it,so its dressed up in whatabouttery and deflection Yes the usual retort you must be racist if you dont agree with me, its an excuse or its whataboutery and deflection.
its not surprising the problem has not been sorted out when people cannot even have a debate on the subject but are just labelled because they have a different view its a classic tactic and one that is impossible to defend online. "Personally, I'm not calling you racist. I don't know you well enough. I'm just confused as to why you're jumping through hoops to downplay the acts of racism witnessed after the final and the incidents that kept it in motion. | |||
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels. Nothing judgemental in that then. You couldn't make it up could you
And now you have to have studied Marx to turn on the news and see what happened during the BLM riots
"Hang on. The protests were allegedly aimed at the marxist aims of the blm. Now suddenly it's because black people protested against the police in America. Please try and get your story straight. | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow...
I know… excuse after excuse after excuse…
You know when you are not surprised by people reaching… this!
Some people will always find a way to excuse
It's beyond the joke. The amount of straws being clutched at has turned the forums into a barn!
So let's recap...
Online tweets from abroad so only a "minority" here in the UK.
Vandalism of the Rashford mural by a bunch of Man City fans (Like anyone gives a shit what club they follow) so only a "minority" here in the UK.
If they won, it wouldn't have happened. The "minority" would have kept their thoughts to themselves...and waited for a more suitable time to let rip. Have I missed anything?
The icing on the cake is we continue to debate the protest and not the reason for it which the players have stated, even when it blows up in the nature it has in recent days. The offense is the fight against racism rather than the racism itself.
I read in another thread that we need "Leadership and Education" in tackling this problem. We lacked leadership from Johnson and Patel and we're not learning from these incidents so they will continue to happen until we accept that it's not just a "minority" of people.
I think its fairly obvious what's going on
People havemt got the front to say to say it,so its dressed up in whatabouttery and deflection Yes the usual retort you must be racist if you dont agree with me, its an excuse or its whataboutery and deflection.
its not surprising the problem has not been sorted out when people cannot even have a debate on the subject but are just labelled because they have a different view its a classic tactic and one that is impossible to defend online.
Personally, I'm not calling you racist. I don't know you well enough. I'm just confused as to why you're jumping through hoops to downplay the acts of racism witnessed after the final and the incidents that kept it in motion.
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow...
I know… excuse after excuse after excuse…
You know when you are not surprised by people reaching… this!
Some people will always find a way to excuse
It's beyond the joke. The amount of straws being clutched at has turned the forums into a barn!
So let's recap...
Online tweets from abroad so only a "minority" here in the UK.
Vandalism of the Rashford mural by a bunch of Man City fans (Like anyone gives a shit what club they follow) so only a "minority" here in the UK.
If they won, it wouldn't have happened. The "minority" would have kept their thoughts to themselves...and waited for a more suitable time to let rip. Have I missed anything?
The icing on the cake is we continue to debate the protest and not the reason for it which the players have stated, even when it blows up in the nature it has in recent days. The offense is the fight against racism rather than the racism itself.
I read in another thread that we need "Leadership and Education" in tackling this problem. We lacked leadership from Johnson and Patel and we're not learning from these incidents so they will continue to happen until we accept that it's not just a "minority" of people.
I think its fairly obvious what's going on
People havemt got the front to say to say it,so its dressed up in whatabouttery and deflection Yes the usual retort you must be racist if you dont agree with me, its an excuse or its whataboutery and deflection.
its not surprising the problem has not been sorted out when people cannot even have a debate on the subject but are just labelled because they have a different view its a classic tactic and one that is impossible to defend online.
Personally, I'm not calling you racist. I don't know you well enough. I'm just confused as to why you're jumping through hoops to downplay the acts of racism witnessed after the final and the incidents that kept it in motion.
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow...
I know… excuse after excuse after excuse…
You know when you are not surprised by people reaching… this!
Some people will always find a way to excuse
It's beyond the joke. The amount of straws being clutched at has turned the forums into a barn!
So let's recap...
Online tweets from abroad so only a "minority" here in the UK.
Vandalism of the Rashford mural by a bunch of Man City fans (Like anyone gives a shit what club they follow) so only a "minority" here in the UK.
If they won, it wouldn't have happened. The "minority" would have kept their thoughts to themselves...and waited for a more suitable time to let rip. Have I missed anything?
The icing on the cake is we continue to debate the protest and not the reason for it which the players have stated, even when it blows up in the nature it has in recent days. The offense is the fight against racism rather than the racism itself.
I read in another thread that we need "Leadership and Education" in tackling this problem. We lacked leadership from Johnson and Patel and we're not learning from these incidents so they will continue to happen until we accept that it's not just a "minority" of people.
I think its fairly obvious what's going on
People havemt got the front to say to say it,so its dressed up in whatabouttery and deflection Yes the usual retort you must be racist if you dont agree with me, its an excuse or its whataboutery and deflection.
its not surprising the problem has not been sorted out when people cannot even have a debate on the subject but are just labelled because they have a different view its a classic tactic and one that is impossible to defend online.
Personally, I'm not calling you racist. I don't know you well enough. I'm just confused as to why you're jumping through hoops to downplay the acts of racism witnessed after the final and the incidents that kept it in motion.
Where have i down played it? i think it should be eradicated as soon as possible and there is no place for it in society.
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Unreal
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels. Nothing judgemental in that then. You couldn't make it up could you
And now you have to have studied Marx to turn on the news and see what happened during the BLM riots
Hang on.
The protests were allegedly aimed at the marxist aims of the blm.
Now suddenly it's because black people protested against the police in America.
Please try and get your story straight.
"You obviously didnt see the destruction they caused in London then. You seriously expect people to witness what happened in their capital city and then expect them not to boo the taking of the knee? Again, I think you're fully aware of the facts but I also think you must be starved of interaction or something. Who knows with you | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow...
I know… excuse after excuse after excuse…
You know when you are not surprised by people reaching… this!
Some people will always find a way to excuse
It's beyond the joke. The amount of straws being clutched at has turned the forums into a barn!
So let's recap...
Online tweets from abroad so only a "minority" here in the UK.
Vandalism of the Rashford mural by a bunch of Man City fans (Like anyone gives a shit what club they follow) so only a "minority" here in the UK.
If they won, it wouldn't have happened. The "minority" would have kept their thoughts to themselves...and waited for a more suitable time to let rip. Have I missed anything?
The icing on the cake is we continue to debate the protest and not the reason for it which the players have stated, even when it blows up in the nature it has in recent days. The offense is the fight against racism rather than the racism itself.
I read in another thread that we need "Leadership and Education" in tackling this problem. We lacked leadership from Johnson and Patel and we're not learning from these incidents so they will continue to happen until we accept that it's not just a "minority" of people.
I think its fairly obvious what's going on
People havemt got the front to say to say it,so its dressed up in whatabouttery and deflection Yes the usual retort you must be racist if you dont agree with me, its an excuse or its whataboutery and deflection.
its not surprising the problem has not been sorted out when people cannot even have a debate on the subject but are just labelled because they have a different view its a classic tactic and one that is impossible to defend online.
Personally, I'm not calling you racist. I don't know you well enough. I'm just confused as to why you're jumping through hoops to downplay the acts of racism witnessed after the final and the incidents that kept it in motion.
Where have i down played it? i think it should be eradicated as soon as possible and there is no place for it in society.
Unreal
Apart from when you questioned the player for holding patel to account or pointed to the actions of foreign people?"That is not down playing the abuse those players suffered, its disagreeing with you and mings on the cause of it. In fact i find it just as abhorrent that people such as yourself would use it to try and score some political point rather than focus on the problem im sure they would be very happy to have their cause highjacked to bash the government. | |||
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels. Nothing judgemental in that then. You couldn't make it up could you
And now you have to have studied Marx to turn on the news and see what happened during the BLM riots
Hang on.
The protests were allegedly aimed at the marxist aims of the blm.
Now suddenly it's because black people protested against the police in America.
Please try and get your story straight.
You obviously didnt see the destruction they caused in London then. You seriously expect people to witness what happened in their capital city and then expect them not to boo the taking of the knee?
Again, I think you're fully aware of the facts but I also think you must be starved of interaction or something. Who knows with you "It's rather simple The players have explicitly said they are taken the knee to protest against racism. Your little firm have spent the day coming up with increasingly colourful ways to explain why it's still fairly acceptable to boo them. It's been highly enjoyable tbf Little tip..personal remarks are frowned up on here ..so a little heads up for you | |||
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels. Nothing judgemental in that then. You couldn't make it up could you
And now you have to have studied Marx to turn on the news and see what happened during the BLM riots
Hang on.
The protests were allegedly aimed at the marxist aims of the blm.
Now suddenly it's because black people protested against the police in America.
Please try and get your story straight.
You obviously didnt see the destruction they caused in London then. You seriously expect people to witness what happened in their capital city and then expect them not to boo the taking of the knee?
Again, I think you're fully aware of the facts but I also think you must be starved of interaction or something. Who knows with you
It's rather simple
The players have explicitly said they are taken the knee to protest against racism.
Your little firm have spent the day coming up with increasingly colourful ways to explain why it's still fairly acceptable to boo them.
It's been highly enjoyable tbf
Little tip..personal remarks are frowned up on here ..so a little heads up for you
"You mean personal remarks like... The haven't got the front to say it, implying the people who disagree with you are racist. Those types of remarks? | |||
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels. Nothing judgemental in that then. You couldn't make it up could you
And now you have to have studied Marx to turn on the news and see what happened during the BLM riots
Hang on.
The protests were allegedly aimed at the marxist aims of the blm.
Now suddenly it's because black people protested against the police in America.
Please try and get your story straight.
You obviously didnt see the destruction they caused in London then. You seriously expect people to witness what happened in their capital city and then expect them not to boo the taking of the knee?
Again, I think you're fully aware of the facts but I also think you must be starved of interaction or something. Who knows with you
It's rather simple
The players have explicitly said they are taken the knee to protest against racism.
Your little firm have spent the day coming up with increasingly colourful ways to explain why it's still fairly acceptable to boo them.
It's been highly enjoyable tbf
Little tip..personal remarks are frowned up on here ..so a little heads up for you
You mean personal remarks like...
The haven't got the front to say it, implying the people who disagree with you are racist.
Those types of remarks?"How many times do I need to correct you What individual was that aimed at? | |||
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels. Nothing judgemental in that then. You couldn't make it up could you
And now you have to have studied Marx to turn on the news and see what happened during the BLM riots
Hang on.
The protests were allegedly aimed at the marxist aims of the blm.
Now suddenly it's because black people protested against the police in America.
Please try and get your story straight.
You obviously didnt see the destruction they caused in London then. You seriously expect people to witness what happened in their capital city and then expect them not to boo the taking of the knee?
Again, I think you're fully aware of the facts but I also think you must be starved of interaction or something. Who knows with you
It's rather simple
The players have explicitly said they are taken the knee to protest against racism.
Your little firm have spent the day coming up with increasingly colourful ways to explain why it's still fairly acceptable to boo them.
It's been highly enjoyable tbf
Little tip..personal remarks are frowned up on here ..so a little heads up for you
You mean personal remarks like...
The haven't got the front to say it, implying the people who disagree with you are racist.
Those types of remarks?"well he hasn't explained that one yet i have asked. | |||
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels. Nothing judgemental in that then. You couldn't make it up could you
And now you have to have studied Marx to turn on the news and see what happened during the BLM riots
Hang on.
The protests were allegedly aimed at the marxist aims of the blm.
Now suddenly it's because black people protested against the police in America.
Please try and get your story straight.
You obviously didnt see the destruction they caused in London then. You seriously expect people to witness what happened in their capital city and then expect them not to boo the taking of the knee?
Again, I think you're fully aware of the facts but I also think you must be starved of interaction or something. Who knows with you
It's rather simple
The players have explicitly said they are taken the knee to protest against racism.
Your little firm have spent the day coming up with increasingly colourful ways to explain why it's still fairly acceptable to boo them.
It's been highly enjoyable tbf
Little tip..personal remarks are frowned up on here ..so a little heads up for you
You mean personal remarks like...
The haven't got the front to say it, implying the people who disagree with you are racist.
Those types of remarks?
How many times do I need to correct you
What individual was that aimed at?"Individual? I said people who disagree. People is plural, not individual. Can you also explain 'most footy fans are thick'? | |||
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels. Nothing judgemental in that then. You couldn't make it up could you
And now you have to have studied Marx to turn on the news and see what happened during the BLM riots
Hang on.
The protests were allegedly aimed at the marxist aims of the blm.
Now suddenly it's because black people protested against the police in America.
Please try and get your story straight.
You obviously didnt see the destruction they caused in London then. You seriously expect people to witness what happened in their capital city and then expect them not to boo the taking of the knee?
Again, I think you're fully aware of the facts but I also think you must be starved of interaction or something. Who knows with you
It's rather simple
The players have explicitly said they are taken the knee to protest against racism.
Your little firm have spent the day coming up with increasingly colourful ways to explain why it's still fairly acceptable to boo them.
It's been highly enjoyable tbf
Little tip..personal remarks are frowned up on here ..so a little heads up for you
"Yes you've said that many times before and I've said that the knee bending is going to be associated with the BLM riots, no matter what the players say. It's actually quite ridiculous of them to expect that it won't be associated And a little tip for you, it wasn't a personal remark it was some good advice. Take it and you'll have a much happier life | |||
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"And the ironic thing is baker wasn’t the most starmer talked about at PMQs… it was Johnny mercer who said Tyrone Mings was spot on to pull up priti Patel So lets get this right Mings thinks Patel stirred up racial hatred? i personally would have thought that Patel being of Indian decent would be the last person a racist would listen to isn't she everything they hate?
Just because Patel is of Indian descent doesn't mean her judgement can't be called into question. It's a habit here and with politicians to pull BAME MPs centre stage to downplay any honest conversations about racism and this is also part of the problem.
Ethnic minorities can be MPs and sports stars in the national set up but fail and the abuse will rain down.
This is not new.
The sad thing is when Bukayo Saka missed that penalty, we ALL knew what was going to happen. We saw it coming. The PM and the Home Secretary saw it coming...and they may have thought back to what they said.
Steve Baker is aware of the message the England squad was trying to send. If Patel hadn't labelled it "gesture politics" then it might not have become so political. Thats true but i would hazard a guess that a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad.
And the vandalism of the Rashford mural. Did people from abroad do that too?No did i say they all did anywhere? My guess its city fans but just a guess.
Wow...just wow...
I know… excuse after excuse after excuse…
You know when you are not surprised by people reaching… this!
Some people will always find a way to excuse
It's beyond the joke. The amount of straws being clutched at has turned the forums into a barn!
So let's recap...
Online tweets from abroad so only a "minority" here in the UK.
Vandalism of the Rashford mural by a bunch of Man City fans (Like anyone gives a shit what club they follow) so only a "minority" here in the UK.
If they won, it wouldn't have happened. The "minority" would have kept their thoughts to themselves...and waited for a more suitable time to let rip. Have I missed anything?
The icing on the cake is we continue to debate the protest and not the reason for it which the players have stated, even when it blows up in the nature it has in recent days. The offense is the fight against racism rather than the racism itself.
I read in another thread that we need "Leadership and Education" in tackling this problem. We lacked leadership from Johnson and Patel and we're not learning from these incidents so they will continue to happen until we accept that it's not just a "minority" of people.
I think its fairly obvious what's going on
People havemt got the front to say to say it,so its dressed up in whatabouttery and deflection Yes the usual retort you must be racist if you dont agree with me, its an excuse or its whataboutery and deflection.
its not surprising the problem has not been sorted out when people cannot even have a debate on the subject but are just labelled because they have a different view its a classic tactic and one that is impossible to defend online.
Personally, I'm not calling you racist. I don't know you well enough. I'm just confused as to why you're jumping through hoops to downplay the acts of racism witnessed after the final and the incidents that kept it in motion.
Where have i down played it? i think it should be eradicated as soon as possible and there is no place for it in society.
Unreal
Apart from when you questioned the player for holding patel to account or pointed to the actions of foreign people?That is not down playing the abuse those players suffered, its disagreeing with you and mings on the cause of it.
In fact i find it just as abhorrent that people such as yourself would use it to try and score some political point rather than focus on the problem im sure they would be very happy to have their cause highjacked to bash the government."And I quote So let's this straight mings think patel stirs up racial hatred? And now you are saying the players have had their cause highjacked? You realise people can actually read what you say? Just because alex has the attention span of a gnat.. doesnt mean we all have. | |||
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"Where have i down played it? i think it should be eradicated as soon as possible and there is no place for it in society. " What you said in regards to the online abuse: "a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad." For me, this is distancing from the issue. I'm not saying it didn't happen but us brits migrate too which could also account for the abuse abroad. Just because you tweet from another country doesn't necessarily mean you were born there. What you said in regards to the Rashford mural: "My guess its city fans but just a guess." Ok, this was a guess but as I stated in my original comment: who gives a shit?! For me, this is downplaying a horrible act of racism as some "rival club attack" when we all know it was much more. So am I wrong in my reasoning? Tell me. | |||
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels. Nothing judgemental in that then. You couldn't make it up could you
And now you have to have studied Marx to turn on the news and see what happened during the BLM riots
Hang on.
The protests were allegedly aimed at the marxist aims of the blm.
Now suddenly it's because black people protested against the police in America.
Please try and get your story straight.
You obviously didnt see the destruction they caused in London then. You seriously expect people to witness what happened in their capital city and then expect them not to boo the taking of the knee?
Again, I think you're fully aware of the facts but I also think you must be starved of interaction or something. Who knows with you
It's rather simple
The players have explicitly said they are taken the knee to protest against racism.
Your little firm have spent the day coming up with increasingly colourful ways to explain why it's still fairly acceptable to boo them.
It's been highly enjoyable tbf
Little tip..personal remarks are frowned up on here ..so a little heads up for you
You mean personal remarks like...
The haven't got the front to say it, implying the people who disagree with you are racist.
Those types of remarks?
How many times do I need to correct you
What individual was that aimed at?
Individual? I said people who disagree. People is plural, not individual.
Can you also explain 'most footy fans are thick'?"You really do need to get your facts straight you know? Its really not healthy. I was responding to a poster who said footy fans are thick. Now I'm sure you will admonish him ,just as you did with me | |||
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels. Nothing judgemental in that then. You couldn't make it up could you
And now you have to have studied Marx to turn on the news and see what happened during the BLM riots
Hang on.
The protests were allegedly aimed at the marxist aims of the blm.
Now suddenly it's because black people protested against the police in America.
Please try and get your story straight.
You obviously didnt see the destruction they caused in London then. You seriously expect people to witness what happened in their capital city and then expect them not to boo the taking of the knee?
Again, I think you're fully aware of the facts but I also think you must be starved of interaction or something. Who knows with you
It's rather simple
The players have explicitly said they are taken the knee to protest against racism.
Your little firm have spent the day coming up with increasingly colourful ways to explain why it's still fairly acceptable to boo them.
It's been highly enjoyable tbf
Little tip..personal remarks are frowned up on here ..so a little heads up for you
You mean personal remarks like...
The haven't got the front to say it, implying the people who disagree with you are racist.
Those types of remarks?
How many times do I need to correct you
What individual was that aimed at?
Individual? I said people who disagree. People is plural, not individual.
Can you also explain 'most footy fans are thick'?
You really do need to get your facts straight you know?
Its really not healthy.
I was responding to a poster who said footy fans are thick.
Now I'm sure you will admonish him ,just as you did with me
"Maybe reply+quote would help you out a bit there. How am I to know they aren't your words when you don't use it? Care to enlighten us on 'they haven't got the front to say it'. You've been asked enough times | |||
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" Where have i down played it? i think it should be eradicated as soon as possible and there is no place for it in society. What you said in regards to the online abuse: a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad. For me, this is distancing from the issue. I'm not saying it didn't happen but us brits migrate too which could also account for the abuse abroad. Just because you tweet from another country doesn't necessarily mean you were born there. What you said in regards to the Rashford mural: My guess its city fans but just a guess. Ok, this was a guess but as I stated in my original comment: who gives a shit?! For me, this is downplaying a horrible act of racism as some "rival club attack" when we all know it was much more. So am I wrong in my reasoning? Tell me. " Throw in the critism aimed at mings and the how can patel be racist angle? But no it hasn't been downplayed at all. | |||
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels. Nothing judgemental in that then. You couldn't make it up could you
And now you have to have studied Marx to turn on the news and see what happened during the BLM riots
Hang on.
The protests were allegedly aimed at the marxist aims of the blm.
Now suddenly it's because black people protested against the police in America.
Please try and get your story straight.
You obviously didnt see the destruction they caused in London then. You seriously expect people to witness what happened in their capital city and then expect them not to boo the taking of the knee?
Again, I think you're fully aware of the facts but I also think you must be starved of interaction or something. Who knows with you
It's rather simple
The players have explicitly said they are taken the knee to protest against racism.
Your little firm have spent the day coming up with increasingly colourful ways to explain why it's still fairly acceptable to boo them.
It's been highly enjoyable tbf
Little tip..personal remarks are frowned up on here ..so a little heads up for you
You mean personal remarks like...
The haven't got the front to say it, implying the people who disagree with you are racist.
Those types of remarks?
How many times do I need to correct you
What individual was that aimed at?
Individual? I said people who disagree. People is plural, not individual.
Can you also explain 'most footy fans are thick'?
You really do need to get your facts straight you know?
Its really not healthy.
I was responding to a poster who said footy fans are thick.
Now I'm sure you will admonish him ,just as you did with me
Maybe reply+quote would help you out a bit there.
How am I to know they aren't your words when you don't use it?
Care to enlighten us on 'they haven't got the front to say it'. You've been asked enough times"Right..so once again you have accused me of either making stuff up or misquoted me. Are you going to admonish the person who said it? | |||
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"I also find it quite amusing that most footy fans are thick but that they have all done individual research into the political origins of an American pressure group and are steadfastly opposed to the teachings of Marx and engels. Nothing judgemental in that then. You couldn't make it up could you
And now you have to have studied Marx to turn on the news and see what happened during the BLM riots
Hang on.
The protests were allegedly aimed at the marxist aims of the blm.
Now suddenly it's because black people protested against the police in America.
Please try and get your story straight.
You obviously didnt see the destruction they caused in London then. You seriously expect people to witness what happened in their capital city and then expect them not to boo the taking of the knee?
Again, I think you're fully aware of the facts but I also think you must be starved of interaction or something. Who knows with you
It's rather simple
The players have explicitly said they are taken the knee to protest against racism.
Your little firm have spent the day coming up with increasingly colourful ways to explain why it's still fairly acceptable to boo them.
It's been highly enjoyable tbf
Little tip..personal remarks are frowned up on here ..so a little heads up for you
You mean personal remarks like...
The haven't got the front to say it, implying the people who disagree with you are racist.
Those types of remarks?
How many times do I need to correct you
What individual was that aimed at?
Individual? I said people who disagree. People is plural, not individual.
Can you also explain 'most footy fans are thick'?
You really do need to get your facts straight you know?
Its really not healthy.
I was responding to a poster who said footy fans are thick.
Now I'm sure you will admonish him ,just as you did with me
Maybe reply+quote would help you out a bit there.
How am I to know they aren't your words when you don't use it?
Care to enlighten us on 'they haven't got the front to say it'. You've been asked enough times
Right..so once again you have accused me of either making stuff up or misquoted me.
Are you going to admonish the person who said it?"I haven't misquoted you. You said it with zero quotes above. That means they were your words. Care to enlighten us on 'they haven't got the front to say it' | |||
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"Once again you have said accused me if saying something I didnt say I wont bother asking again if you are going to pull up the person who originally said it,as we both know it's a waste of time. However if you are going to consistently pull me up at least try and ensure I actally said it "Are you now denying that you wrote those words? They are there in black and white for all to see. However, let's focus on something you surely can't deny. 'They havent got the front to say it' | |||
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"Once again you have said accused me if saying something I didnt say I wont bother asking again if you are going to pull up the person who originally said it,as we both know it's a waste of time. However if you are going to consistently pull me up at least try and ensure I actally said it
Are you now denying that you wrote those words? They are there in black and white for all to see.
However, let's focus on something you surely can't deny.
'They havent got the front to say it'"And be sure to name the people you were alluding to Lionel and please be very specific about exactly what you meant | |||
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"Once again you have said accused me if saying something I didnt say I wont bother asking again if you are going to pull up the person who originally said it,as we both know it's a waste of time. However if you are going to consistently pull me up at least try and ensure I actally said it
Are you now denying that you wrote those words? They are there in black and white for all to see.
However, let's focus on something you surely can't deny.
'They havent got the front to say it'"I'll try one more time. Earlier on in the thread the comment was made that all footy fans are thick. I was responding to that comment. It's really not that difficult to understand  | |||
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"Once again you have said accused me if saying something I didnt say I wont bother asking again if you are going to pull up the person who originally said it,as we both know it's a waste of time. However if you are going to consistently pull me up at least try and ensure I actally said it
Are you now denying that you wrote those words? They are there in black and white for all to see.
However, let's focus on something you surely can't deny.
'They havent got the front to say it'
I'll try one more time.
Earlier on in the thread the comment was made that all footy fans are thick.
I was responding to that comment.
It's really not that difficult to understand
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"Once again you have said accused me if saying something I didnt say I wont bother asking again if you are going to pull up the person who originally said it,as we both know it's a waste of time. However if you are going to consistently pull me up at least try and ensure I actally said it
Are you now denying that you wrote those words? They are there in black and white for all to see.
However, let's focus on something you surely can't deny.
'They havent got the front to say it'
And be sure to name the people you were alluding to Lionel and please be very specific about exactly what you meant "It was a general comment It wasnt aimed at one particular poster. The comment was aimed at people who will never criticise the gmnt but womt admit their bias. I'll just leave the fact that you assumed I meant you were racists hanging there i think. | |||
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"Once again you have said accused me if saying something I didnt say I wont bother asking again if you are going to pull up the person who originally said it,as we both know it's a waste of time. However if you are going to consistently pull me up at least try and ensure I actally said it
Are you now denying that you wrote those words? They are there in black and white for all to see.
However, let's focus on something you surely can't deny.
'They havent got the front to say it'
I'll try one more time.
Earlier on in the thread the comment was made that all footy fans are thick.
I was responding to that comment.
It's really not that difficult to understand
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"Once again you have said accused me if saying something I didnt say I wont bother asking again if you are going to pull up the person who originally said it,as we both know it's a waste of time. However if you are going to consistently pull me up at least try and ensure I actally said it
Are you now denying that you wrote those words? They are there in black and white for all to see.
However, let's focus on something you surely can't deny.
'They havent got the front to say it'
And be sure to name the people you were alluding to Lionel and please be very specific about exactly what you meant
It was a general comment
It wasnt aimed at one particular poster.
The comment was aimed at people who will never criticise the gmnt but womt admit their bias.
I'll just leave the fact that you assumed I meant you were racists hanging there i think."Of course it was and of course you will | |||
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" Where have i down played it? i think it should be eradicated as soon as possible and there is no place for it in society. What you said in regards to the online abuse: a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad. For me, this is distancing from the issue. I'm not saying it didn't happen but us brits migrate too which could also account for the abuse abroad. Just because you tweet from another country doesn't necessarily mean you were born there. What you said in regards to the Rashford mural: My guess its city fans but just a guess. Ok, this was a guess but as I stated in my original comment: who gives a shit?! For me, this is downplaying a horrible act of racism as some "rival club attack" when we all know it was much more. So am I wrong in my reasoning? Tell me. " Its not me saying it its the chair of kick it out i posted a link they have been investigating it for years 70% of the abuse is coming from abroad.This is a fact and no way trying to distract from the issue i will post the link again read it for yourself. Yes as the mural is in Manchester and most are either city or utd fans my guess its a racist city fan but do accept i could have worded it better but the post i replied to did not say who gives a shit so go back and read what i replied to. https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/social-media/2021/07/who-behind-online-abuse-black-england-players-and-how-can-we-stop No one is trying to deny that their are still racist idiots going to football matches and its still a problem. | |||
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"He's had this to say: "Much as we can't be associated with calls to defund the police, we urgently need to challenge our own attitude to people taking the knee." He's right about taking the knee - but he's had a bit of an irony bypass on defunding the police. People already associate the Tory Party with defunding the police; or, if they don't, they should. After all, according to Home Office figures, between March 2010 and March 2018, police forces in England and Wales lost 21,732 officers - a drop of 15%. Unless the Home Office, Tory at the time, got its figures wrong." We are at a point in time where the current Conservative party doea not, actually, seem to have much to do with the one that came before. It does not seem to associate itself with I at all, so this is not actually that surprising. It xonti ually announces solutions to the problems called by its own policies. It gets reelected so what to do? | |||
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"Once again you have said accused me if saying something I didnt say I wont bother asking again if you are going to pull up the person who originally said it,as we both know it's a waste of time. However if you are going to consistently pull me up at least try and ensure I actally said it
Are you now denying that you wrote those words? They are there in black and white for all to see.
However, let's focus on something you surely can't deny.
'They havent got the front to say it'
And be sure to name the people you were alluding to Lionel and please be very specific about exactly what you meant
It was a general comment
It wasnt aimed at one particular poster.
The comment was aimed at people who will never criticise the gmnt but womt admit their bias.
I'll just leave the fact that you assumed I meant you were racists hanging there i think."Of course thats what you meant. You've never been shy in criticising government defence before. Suddenly you are
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So I explain what I meant and I'm called a liar
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"Once again you have said accused me if saying something I didnt say I wont bother asking again if you are going to pull up the person who originally said it,as we both know it's a waste of time. However if you are going to consistently pull me up at least try and ensure I actally said it
Are you now denying that you wrote those words? They are there in black and white for all to see.
However, let's focus on something you surely can't deny.
'They havent got the front to say it'
And be sure to name the people you were alluding to Lionel and please be very specific about exactly what you meant
It was a general comment
It wasnt aimed at one particular poster.
The comment was aimed at people who will never criticise the gmnt but womt admit their bias.
I'll just leave the fact that you assumed I meant you were racists hanging there i think.
Of course thats what you meant.
You've never been shy in criticising government defence before. Suddenly you are
Just own your own words for once. You'll probably even gain a little respect."Why would I want respect from a load of tories? Trust me..I'm mot that desperate. | |||
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"Once again you have said accused me if saying something I didnt say I wont bother asking again if you are going to pull up the person who originally said it,as we both know it's a waste of time. However if you are going to consistently pull me up at least try and ensure I actally said it
Are you now denying that you wrote those words? They are there in black and white for all to see.
However, let's focus on something you surely can't deny.
'They havent got the front to say it'
And be sure to name the people you were alluding to Lionel and please be very specific about exactly what you meant
It was a general comment
It wasnt aimed at one particular poster.
The comment was aimed at people who will never criticise the gmnt but womt admit their bias.
I'll just leave the fact that you assumed I meant you were racists hanging there i think.
Of course thats what you meant.
You've never been shy in criticising government defence before. Suddenly you are
Just own your own words for once. You'll probably even gain a little respect.
Why would I want respect from a load of tories?
Trust me..I'm mot that desperate.
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"Once again you have said accused me if saying something I didnt say I wont bother asking again if you are going to pull up the person who originally said it,as we both know it's a waste of time. However if you are going to consistently pull me up at least try and ensure I actally said it
Are you now denying that you wrote those words? They are there in black and white for all to see.
However, let's focus on something you surely can't deny.
'They havent got the front to say it'
And be sure to name the people you were alluding to Lionel and please be very specific about exactly what you meant
It was a general comment
It wasnt aimed at one particular poster.
The comment was aimed at people who will never criticise the gmnt but womt admit their bias.
I'll just leave the fact that you assumed I meant you were racists hanging there i think.
Of course thats what you meant.
You've never been shy in criticising government defence before. Suddenly you are
Just own your own words for once. You'll probably even gain a little respect.
Why would I want respect from a load of tories?
Trust me..I'm mot that desperate.
"What's wrong with having respect from people with opposing views? I respect most people on here regardless of their political thoughts. | |||
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"Once again you have said accused me if saying something I didnt say I wont bother asking again if you are going to pull up the person who originally said it,as we both know it's a waste of time. However if you are going to consistently pull me up at least try and ensure I actally said it
Are you now denying that you wrote those words? They are there in black and white for all to see.
However, let's focus on something you surely can't deny.
'They havent got the front to say it'
And be sure to name the people you were alluding to Lionel and please be very specific about exactly what you meant
It was a general comment
It wasnt aimed at one particular poster.
The comment was aimed at people who will never criticise the gmnt but womt admit their bias.
I'll just leave the fact that you assumed I meant you were racists hanging there i think.
Of course thats what you meant.
You've never been shy in criticising government defence before. Suddenly you are
Just own your own words for once. You'll probably even gain a little respect.
Why would I want respect from a load of tories?
Trust me..I'm mot that desperate.
Well I've never voted Tory in my life but by god you make me want to "Neither am I a Tory. Maybe I've voted for them but I've also voted for Labour | |||
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"Once again you have said accused me if saying something I didnt say I wont bother asking again if you are going to pull up the person who originally said it,as we both know it's a waste of time. However if you are going to consistently pull me up at least try and ensure I actally said it
Are you now denying that you wrote those words? They are there in black and white for all to see.
However, let's focus on something you surely can't deny.
'They havent got the front to say it'
And be sure to name the people you were alluding to Lionel and please be very specific about exactly what you meant
It was a general comment
It wasnt aimed at one particular poster.
The comment was aimed at people who will never criticise the gmnt but womt admit their bias.
I'll just leave the fact that you assumed I meant you were racists hanging there i think.
Of course thats what you meant.
You've never been shy in criticising government defence before. Suddenly you are
Just own your own words for once. You'll probably even gain a little respect.
Why would I want respect from a load of tories?
Trust me..I'm mot that desperate.
Well I've never voted Tory in my life but by god you make me want to
Neither am I a Tory. Maybe I've voted for them but I've also voted for Labour "Lionel Hutz: Tory stooge. Converting labour supporters to Torys one voter at a time | |||
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" Where have i down played it? i think it should be eradicated as soon as possible and there is no place for it in society. What you said in regards to the online abuse: a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad. For me, this is distancing from the issue. I'm not saying it didn't happen but us brits migrate too which could also account for the abuse abroad. Just because you tweet from another country doesn't necessarily mean you were born there. What you said in regards to the Rashford mural: My guess its city fans but just a guess. Ok, this was a guess but as I stated in my original comment: who gives a shit?! For me, this is downplaying a horrible act of racism as some "rival club attack" when we all know it was much more. So am I wrong in my reasoning? Tell me. Its not me saying it its the chair of kick it out i posted a link they have been investigating it for years 70% of the abuse is coming from abroad.This is a fact and no way trying to distract from the issue i will post the link again read it for yourself. Yes as the mural is in Manchester and most are either city or utd fans my guess its a racist city fan but do accept i could have worded it better but the post i replied to did not say who gives a shit so go back and read what i replied to. https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/social-media/2021/07/who-behind-online-abuse-black-england-players-and-how-can-we-stop No one is trying to deny that their are still racist idiots going to football matches and its still a problem. " I did read your post. What’s clear is you haven’t read mine. I stated “who gives a shit” not you.
I also said that I didn’t disagree with the tweets coming from abroad but questioned the nationality of those tweeting.
And yes, you could have worded your city statement better and the club is irelevent as racism is racism no matter what club you’re from.
My objection is protecting the government when it’s clear that the players needed protection in this instance. Also, debating the knee when we clearly have an issue of racism in football and society within the UK. So it’s all well and good saying there’s no place for it yet pull people up when they protest against it. This is the argument against Patel and Johnson. | |||
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" Where have i down played it? i think it should be eradicated as soon as possible and there is no place for it in society. What you said in regards to the online abuse: a good number of those racial tweets came from people who had never heard of pritti Patel let alone what she tweeted a week or so before a good number its been found came from abroad. For me, this is distancing from the issue. I'm not saying it didn't happen but us brits migrate too which could also account for the abuse abroad. Just because you tweet from another country doesn't necessarily mean you were born there. What you said in regards to the Rashford mural: My guess its city fans but just a guess. Ok, this was a guess but as I stated in my original comment: who gives a shit?! For me, this is downplaying a horrible act of racism as some "rival club attack" when we all know it was much more. So am I wrong in my reasoning? Tell me. Its not me saying it its the chair of kick it out i posted a link they have been investigating it for years 70% of the abuse is coming from abroad.This is a fact and no way trying to distract from the issue i will post the link again read it for yourself. Yes as the mural is in Manchester and most are either city or utd fans my guess its a racist city fan but do accept i could have worded it better but the post i replied to did not say who gives a shit so go back and read what i replied to. https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/social-media/2021/07/who-behind-online-abuse-black-england-players-and-how-can-we-stop No one is trying to deny that their are still racist idiots going to football matches and its still a problem. I did read your post. What’s clear is you haven’t read mine. I stated “who gives a shit” not you.
I also said that I didn’t disagree with the tweets coming from abroad but questioned the nationality of those tweeting.
And yes, you could have worded your city statement better and the club is irelevent as racism is racism no matter what club you’re from.
My objection is protecting the government when it’s clear that the players needed protection in this instance. Also, debating the knee when we clearly have an issue of racism in football and society within the UK. So it’s all well and good saying there’s no place for it yet pull people up when they protest against it. This is the argument against Patel and Johnson. "This is where you are misunderstanding me i am not against people protesting or trying to protect the government i just think that its a free country and if people associate the gesture of taking the knee with BLM movement they in a free society are in their rights to protest against it. I have already stated that personally i would not boo the gesture but think its absurd that people are willing to believe that these racists have been influenced by an Indian woman (someone they are supposed to hate) to hate someone else.Its nothing more than political point scoring as this booing of the gesture has been going on in grounds for about 18 months now. | |||
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