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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ?" It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology " And no one has ener been killed in the name of capitalism | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology " 20 million of their own citizens in the USSR. Great bunch of lads. | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology And no one has ener been killed in the name of capitalism" do you class yourself as a communist Lionel ? | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ?" Is the woman actually a self-confessed communist or is this putting two and two together and making five? Notwithstanding, considering the broad variety of political leanings that seem to be acceptable these days - why shouldn’t communism be acceptable? I mean our current Prime Minister and Government have taken propaganda and control to a whole new level with their right-wing ideology, so why shouldn’t there be people around whose ideologies lie at the other end of the spectrum? | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? Is the woman actually a self-confessed communist or is this putting two and two together and making five? Notwithstanding, considering the broad variety of political leanings that seem to be acceptable these days - why shouldn’t communism be acceptable? I mean our current Prime Minister and Government have taken propaganda and control to a whole new level with their right-wing ideology, so why shouldn’t there be people around whose ideologies lie at the other end of the spectrum? " Last time I checked communism wasnt responsible for 2 world wars. | |||
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"Lionel's one of those 'it wasn't REAL communism (TM)' What a maroon" What's a maroon? | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? Is the woman actually a self-confessed communist or is this putting two and two together and making five? Notwithstanding, considering the broad variety of political leanings that seem to be acceptable these days - why shouldn’t communism be acceptable? I mean our current Prime Minister and Government have taken propaganda and control to a whole new level with their right-wing ideology, so why shouldn’t there be people around whose ideologies lie at the other end of the spectrum? Last time I checked communism wasnt responsible for 2 world wars." I’ll take that as a yes then lol | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? Is the woman actually a self-confessed communist or is this putting two and two together and making five? Notwithstanding, considering the broad variety of political leanings that seem to be acceptable these days - why shouldn’t communism be acceptable? I mean our current Prime Minister and Government have taken propaganda and control to a whole new level with their right-wing ideology, so why shouldn’t there be people around whose ideologies lie at the other end of the spectrum? Last time I checked communism wasnt responsible for 2 world wars.I’ll take that as a yes then lol" Eh? | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? Is the woman actually a self-confessed communist or is this putting two and two together and making five? Notwithstanding, considering the broad variety of political leanings that seem to be acceptable these days - why shouldn’t communism be acceptable? I mean our current Prime Minister and Government have taken propaganda and control to a whole new level with their right-wing ideology, so why shouldn’t there be people around whose ideologies lie at the other end of the spectrum? " To be fair I am not convinced HMG is far right...more central than that | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? Is the woman actually a self-confessed communist or is this putting two and two together and making five? Notwithstanding, considering the broad variety of political leanings that seem to be acceptable these days - why shouldn’t communism be acceptable? I mean our current Prime Minister and Government have taken propaganda and control to a whole new level with their right-wing ideology, so why shouldn’t there be people around whose ideologies lie at the other end of the spectrum? To be fair I am not convinced HMG is far right...more central than that " Really? Just recently … Making it illegal in any context to enable an asylum seeker to enter the country under any circumstances (putting the RNLI and other SOLAS adherers at risk of prosecution). Making any kind of “loud” protest illegal. What next? Interfering with BBC impartiality, lying in Parliament, lying to win an election! It could get as bad as that quote easily. Oh, wait a minute… | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? Is the woman actually a self-confessed communist or is this putting two and two together and making five? Notwithstanding, considering the broad variety of political leanings that seem to be acceptable these days - why shouldn’t communism be acceptable? I mean our current Prime Minister and Government have taken propaganda and control to a whole new level with their right-wing ideology, so why shouldn’t there be people around whose ideologies lie at the other end of the spectrum? To be fair I am not convinced HMG is far right...more central than that Really? Just recently … Making it illegal in any context to enable an asylum seeker to enter the country under any circumstances (putting the RNLI and other SOLAS adherers at risk of prosecution). Making any kind of “loud” protest illegal. What next? Interfering with BBC impartiality, lying in Parliament, lying to win an election! It could get as bad as that quote easily. Oh, wait a minute… " BBC impartiality...BBC are one thing but not impartial | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology And no one has ener been killed in the name of capitalism" Nobody said Capitalism is perfect but it's a walk in the aprk compared the mass atrocities committed under communist regimes | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology And no one has ener been killed in the name of capitalism Nobody said Capitalism is perfect but it's a walk in the aprk compared the mass atrocities committed under communist regimes " There is a difference between believing in a political concept and the behaviour of the leaders of a country who purport to follow that political concept. It is not even a point to debate that socialism and socially democratic countries are fairer societies and tend to be happier places than countries that have more conservative administrations. The logical thought process for some people might be simply that they would prefer an even more radical version of socialism whereby everyone works collectively for the improvement of society. | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology And no one has ener been killed in the name of capitalism Nobody said Capitalism is perfect but it's a walk in the aprk compared the mass atrocities committed under communist regimes There is a difference between believing in a political concept and the behaviour of the leaders of a country who purport to follow that political concept. It is not even a point to debate that socialism and socially democratic countries are fairer societies and tend to be happier places than countries that have more conservative administrations. The logical thought process for some people might be simply that they would prefer an even more radical version of socialism whereby everyone works collectively for the improvement of society. " So by that logic you'd ok with a member of the fascist party sitting on the Sage committee And communism is not social democracy but you seem to think that its impossible to be too far left and that only good things will happen the further left you go | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology And no one has ener been killed in the name of capitalism Nobody said Capitalism is perfect but it's a walk in the aprk compared the mass atrocities committed under communist regimes " How many people have died under capitalism? | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology And no one has ener been killed in the name of capitalism Nobody said Capitalism is perfect but it's a walk in the aprk compared the mass atrocities committed under communist regimes How many people have died under capitalism? " Far less than uncle joe stalin killed. | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology And no one has ener been killed in the name of capitalism Nobody said Capitalism is perfect but it's a walk in the aprk compared the mass atrocities committed under communist regimes How many people have died under capitalism? Far less than uncle joe stalin killed." He knows this, best to just ignore  | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology And no one has ener been killed in the name of capitalism Nobody said Capitalism is perfect but it's a walk in the aprk compared the mass atrocities committed under communist regimes How many people have died under capitalism? Far less than uncle joe stalin killed. He knows this, best to just ignore "S#####y 12m Ww2 80m Vietnam 2.5m Colonialism.. Congo and india alone 35m Withoittaking into account the countless other wars between capitalist powers over the centuries Other figures have estimated over 100m So rather unsurpsringly. You are both factually incorrect. But do please ignore me  | |||
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"Control of the population is a Stalinist policy , that’s a far away from communist ideas of Marx and Engels , even though Stalin derived from it , but similar like Maoism - it’s a far way off Apart from that - control over the population is also a crave of capitalist plutocratic forces who at current are the ones turning the wheel " Too late To right wingers . stalinism is the same as communism. | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology And no one has ener been killed in the name of capitalism Nobody said Capitalism is perfect but it's a walk in the aprk compared the mass atrocities committed under communist regimes How many people have died under capitalism? Far less than uncle joe stalin killed. He knows this, best to just ignore
S#####y 12m
Ww2 80m
Vietnam 2.5m
Colonialism.. Congo and india alone 35m
Withoittaking into account the countless other wars between capitalist powers over the centuries
Other figures have estimated over 100m
So rather unsurpsringly.
You are both factually incorrect.
But do please ignore me
"But why exterminate and starve your own population? You can also count the good old USSR in the 2nd world war figures in the fight against fascism. The body count on their front was horrendous. And you seemingly haven’t counted the body count in the proxy wars fought on their behalf. | |||
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"I think a mix of socialist policies and capitalist are the way. Like the Scandi models left and right use. That doesn’t go far enough for the eat the rich types granted. But they have deeper issues I suppose. If people take a look at the Countries with Communism today you can see how bad they are. They all still knock off their own citizens strange that. " How many world leaders did Castro try and topple again? | |||
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"I think a mix of socialist policies and capitalist are the way. Like the Scandi models left and right use. That doesn’t go far enough for the eat the rich types granted. But they have deeper issues I suppose. If people take a look at the Countries with Communism today you can see how bad they are. They all still knock off their own citizens strange that. How many world leaders did Castro try and topple again?" None he was too busy shagging and killing his subjects for backing the wrong guy. | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology And no one has ener been killed in the name of capitalism Nobody said Capitalism is perfect but it's a walk in the aprk compared the mass atrocities committed under communist regimes How many people have died under capitalism? Far less than uncle joe stalin killed. He knows this, best to just ignore
S#####y 12m
Ww2 80m
Vietnam 2.5m
Colonialism.. Congo and india alone 35m
Withoittaking into account the countless other wars between capitalist powers over the centuries
Other figures have estimated over 100m
So rather unsurpsringly.
You are both factually incorrect.
But do please ignore me
But why exterminate and starve your own population?
You can also count the good old USSR in the 2nd world war figures in the fight against fascism. The body count on their front was horrendous.
And you seemingly haven’t counted the body count in the proxy wars fought on their behalf.
"Because stalin was a ductator. Funny how the big lovers of capitalism conveniently forget about the s@@@@ trade. | |||
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"I think a mix of socialist policies and capitalist are the way. Like the Scandi models left and right use. That doesn’t go far enough for the eat the rich types granted. But they have deeper issues I suppose. If people take a look at the Countries with Communism today you can see how bad they are. They all still knock off their own citizens strange that. How many world leaders did Castro try and topple again? None he was too busy shagging and killing his subjects for backing the wrong guy. " Whilst America do it on routine basis. | |||
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"I think a mix of socialist policies and capitalist are the way. Like the Scandi models left and right use. That doesn’t go far enough for the eat the rich types granted. But they have deeper issues I suppose. If people take a look at the Countries with Communism today you can see how bad they are. They all still knock off their own citizens strange that. How many world leaders did Castro try and topple again? None he was too busy shagging and killing his subjects for backing the wrong guy. Whilst America do it on routine basis. " Systemically kill their own citizens in the name of a political belief? I don’t think so. | |||
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"I think a mix of socialist policies and capitalist are the way. Like the Scandi models left and right use. That doesn’t go far enough for the eat the rich types granted. But they have deeper issues I suppose. If people take a look at the Countries with Communism today you can see how bad they are. They all still knock off their own citizens strange that. How many world leaders did Castro try and topple again? None he was too busy shagging and killing his subjects for backing the wrong guy. Whilst America do it on routine basis. Systemically kill their own citizens in the name of a political belief? I don’t think so. " I'm not sure deliberately misquoting me is really going to help you win your argument. America have routinely got rid of other countries leaders,have many communist gmnts done this? | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology And no one has ener been killed in the name of capitalism Nobody said Capitalism is perfect but it's a walk in the aprk compared the mass atrocities committed under communist regimes How many people have died under capitalism? Far less than uncle joe stalin killed. He knows this, best to just ignore
S#####y 12m
Ww2 80m
Vietnam 2.5m
Colonialism.. Congo and india alone 35m
Withoittaking into account the countless other wars between capitalist powers over the centuries
Other figures have estimated over 100m
So rather unsurpsringly.
You are both factually incorrect.
But do please ignore me
"So communists dont have modern slavves, have you forgotten the salt mines, Vietnam was nothing to do with capitalism it was a fight between two ideological views so if you're counting that then both sides have blood on their hands, WW2 was not capitalism either, How is the research on workers rights going, have asked you four times now, I wonder why you wont answer | |||
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"Enslaving an entire race of people and seeing them as inferior because of colour of their skin,racist theories which have lasted 100s of tears6,is apparently a 'walk in the park'" Horrendous. Are people being kept in indentured servitude in communist countries today? | |||
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"Enslaving an entire race of people and seeing them as inferior because of colour of their skin,racist theories which have lasted 100s of tears6,is apparently a 'walk in the park' Horrendous. Are people being kept in indentured servitude in communist countries today? " Yep in China. How many people are being trafficked around the world today for other people to make money? I can freely admit that some horrendous things have been done in the name of communism. Then again I'm not arguing that one system Is perfect whilst the other is the epitome of evil. | |||
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"I think a mix of socialist policies and capitalist are the way. Like the Scandi models left and right use. That doesn’t go far enough for the eat the rich types granted. But they have deeper issues I suppose. If people take a look at the Countries with Communism today you can see how bad they are. They all still knock off their own citizens strange that. How many world leaders did Castro try and topple again? None he was too busy shagging and killing his subjects for backing the wrong guy. Whilst America do it on routine basis. Systemically kill their own citizens in the name of a political belief? I don’t think so. I'm not sure deliberately misquoting me is really going to help you win your argument. America have routinely got rid of other countries leaders,have many communist gmnts done this?" Well for a start behind the Iron curtain most of the governments in Eastern Europe were puppets for them. And when they had an uprising they crushed them ruthlessly. Then you can look at Angola Ethiopia etc. Skipping across from the Horn of Africa we can then have a look at the Middle East and the shenanigans there. And that’s before we stop off in Afghanistan where successive governments western and Soviet have had their arse handed to them. | |||
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"Enslaving an entire race of people and seeing them as inferior because of colour of their skin,racist theories which have lasted 100s of tears6,is apparently a 'walk in the park' Horrendous. Are people being kept in indentured servitude in communist countries today? Yep in China. How many people are being trafficked around the world today for other people to make money? I can freely admit that some horrendous things have been done in the name of communism. Then again I'm not arguing that one system Is perfect whilst the other is the epitome of evil." Communism kept people in identikit homes. Eating identikit shit that they had to queue for. And had them watching state sanctioned television. What a boring miserable life. That certainly doesn’t appeal to my lifestyle. Have at it. | |||
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"I think a mix of socialist policies and capitalist are the way. Like the Scandi models left and right use. That doesn’t go far enough for the eat the rich types granted. But they have deeper issues I suppose. If people take a look at the Countries with Communism today you can see how bad they are. They all still knock off their own citizens strange that. How many world leaders did Castro try and topple again? None he was too busy shagging and killing his subjects for backing the wrong guy. Whilst America do it on routine basis. Systemically kill their own citizens in the name of a political belief? I don’t think so. I'm not sure deliberately misquoting me is really going to help you win your argument. America have routinely got rid of other countries leaders,have many communist gmnts done this? Well for a start behind the Iron curtain most of the governments in Eastern Europe were puppets for them. And when they had an uprising they crushed them ruthlessly. Then you can look at Angola Ethiopia etc. Skipping across from the Horn of Africa we can then have a look at the Middle East and the shenanigans there. And that’s before we stop off in Afghanistan where successive governments western and Soviet have had their arse handed to them. " I'm fairly sure thats not the question.i asked. America tried to assinate Castro on many occasions They toppled the Shah of Iran | |||
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"Enslaving an entire race of people and seeing them as inferior because of colour of their skin,racist theories which have lasted 100s of tears6,is apparently a 'walk in the park' Horrendous. Are people being kept in indentured servitude in communist countries today? Yep in China. How many people are being trafficked around the world today for other people to make money? I can freely admit that some horrendous things have been done in the name of communism. Then again I'm not arguing that one system Is perfect whilst the other is the epitome of evil." Nor am I. There are three things I believe a state should provide. Education Welfare Healthcare. I just don’t agree with killing your own citizens, starving them and keeping them in stagnation. | |||
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"Enslaving an entire race of people and seeing them as inferior because of colour of their skin,racist theories which have lasted 100s of tears6,is apparently a 'walk in the park' Horrendous. Are people being kept in indentured servitude in communist countries today? Yep in China. How many people are being trafficked around the world today for other people to make money? I can freely admit that some horrendous things have been done in the name of communism. Then again I'm not arguing that one system Is perfect whilst the other is the epitome of evil. Communism kept people in identikit homes. Eating identikit shit that they had to queue for. And had them watching state sanctioned television. What a boring miserable life. That certainly doesn’t appeal to my lifestyle. Have at it. " Capitalism has people starving, freezing to death on the streets whilst other people have their own islands. Have at it | |||
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"I think a mix of socialist policies and capitalist are the way. Like the Scandi models left and right use. That doesn’t go far enough for the eat the rich types granted. But they have deeper issues I suppose. If people take a look at the Countries with Communism today you can see how bad they are. They all still knock off their own citizens strange that. How many world leaders did Castro try and topple again? None he was too busy shagging and killing his subjects for backing the wrong guy. Whilst America do it on routine basis. Systemically kill their own citizens in the name of a political belief? I don’t think so. I'm not sure deliberately misquoting me is really going to help you win your argument. America have routinely got rid of other countries leaders,have many communist gmnts done this? Well for a start behind the Iron curtain most of the governments in Eastern Europe were puppets for them. And when they had an uprising they crushed them ruthlessly. Then you can look at Angola Ethiopia etc. Skipping across from the Horn of Africa we can then have a look at the Middle East and the shenanigans there. And that’s before we stop off in Afghanistan where successive governments western and Soviet have had their arse handed to them. I'm fairly sure thats not the question.i asked. America tried to assinate Castro on many occasions They toppled the Shah of Iran " The soviets tried to interfere in all those countries either to prop up their puppet or instal one of their own. Time and time again the great game was played during the Cold War. And my parents were part of it. | |||
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"Enslaving an entire race of people and seeing them as inferior because of colour of their skin,racist theories which have lasted 100s of tears6,is apparently a 'walk in the park' Horrendous. Are people being kept in indentured servitude in communist countries today? Yep in China. How many people are being trafficked around the world today for other people to make money? I can freely admit that some horrendous things have been done in the name of communism. Then again I'm not arguing that one system Is perfect whilst the other is the epitome of evil. Nor am I. There are three things I believe a state should provide. Education Welfare Healthcare. I just don’t agree with killing your own citizens, starving them and keeping them in stagnation. " Fairly sure know what on here is arguing that Where is America in terms of health care,in relation to other countries? | |||
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"Enslaving an entire race of people and seeing them as inferior because of colour of their skin,racist theories which have lasted 100s of tears6,is apparently a 'walk in the park' Horrendous. Are people being kept in indentured servitude in communist countries today? Yep in China. How many people are being trafficked around the world today for other people to make money? I can freely admit that some horrendous things have been done in the name of communism. Then again I'm not arguing that one system Is perfect whilst the other is the epitome of evil. Communism kept people in identikit homes. Eating identikit shit that they had to queue for. And had them watching state sanctioned television. What a boring miserable life. That certainly doesn’t appeal to my lifestyle. Have at it. Capitalism has people starving, freezing to death on the streets whilst other people have their own islands. Have at it " So did the USSR but on a greater scale. | |||
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"I think a mix of socialist policies and capitalist are the way. Like the Scandi models left and right use. That doesn’t go far enough for the eat the rich types granted. But they have deeper issues I suppose. If people take a look at the Countries with Communism today you can see how bad they are. They all still knock off their own citizens strange that. How many world leaders did Castro try and topple again? None he was too busy shagging and killing his subjects for backing the wrong guy. Whilst America do it on routine basis. Systemically kill their own citizens in the name of a political belief? I don’t think so. I'm not sure deliberately misquoting me is really going to help you win your argument. America have routinely got rid of other countries leaders,have many communist gmnts done this? Well for a start behind the Iron curtain most of the governments in Eastern Europe were puppets for them. And when they had an uprising they crushed them ruthlessly. Then you can look at Angola Ethiopia etc. Skipping across from the Horn of Africa we can then have a look at the Middle East and the shenanigans there. And that’s before we stop off in Afghanistan where successive governments western and Soviet have had their arse handed to them. I'm fairly sure thats not the question.i asked. America tried to assinate Castro on many occasions They toppled the Shah of Iran The soviets tried to interfere in all those countries either to prop up their puppet or instal one of their own. Time and time again the great game was played during the Cold War. And my parents were part of it. " You seem to be missing the point I'm not arguing that totalitarianism is a great idea. But many of these accusations levelled against the worst aspects of communism, have also been done in the name of capitalism. | |||
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"I think a mix of socialist policies and capitalist are the way. Like the Scandi models left and right use. That doesn’t go far enough for the eat the rich types granted. But they have deeper issues I suppose. If people take a look at the Countries with Communism today you can see how bad they are. They all still knock off their own citizens strange that. How many world leaders did Castro try and topple again? None he was too busy shagging and killing his subjects for backing the wrong guy. Whilst America do it on routine basis. Systemically kill their own citizens in the name of a political belief? I don’t think so. I'm not sure deliberately misquoting me is really going to help you win your argument. America have routinely got rid of other countries leaders,have many communist gmnts done this? Well for a start behind the Iron curtain most of the governments in Eastern Europe were puppets for them. And when they had an uprising they crushed them ruthlessly. Then you can look at Angola Ethiopia etc. Skipping across from the Horn of Africa we can then have a look at the Middle East and the shenanigans there. And that’s before we stop off in Afghanistan where successive governments western and Soviet have had their arse handed to them. I'm fairly sure thats not the question.i asked. America tried to assinate Castro on many occasions They toppled the Shah of Iran The soviets tried to interfere in all those countries either to prop up their puppet or instal one of their own. Time and time again the great game was played during the Cold War. And my parents were part of it. You seem to be missing the point I'm not arguing that totalitarianism is a great idea. But many of these accusations levelled against the worst aspects of communism, have also been done in the name of capitalism. " You asked how many I answered. | |||
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"Enslaving an entire race of people and seeing them as inferior because of colour of their skin,racist theories which have lasted 100s of tears6,is apparently a 'walk in the park' Horrendous. Are people being kept in indentured servitude in communist countries today? Yep in China. How many people are being trafficked around the world today for other people to make money? I can freely admit that some horrendous things have been done in the name of communism. Then again I'm not arguing that one system Is perfect whilst the other is the epitome of evil. Communism kept people in identikit homes. Eating identikit shit that they had to queue for. And had them watching state sanctioned television. What a boring miserable life. That certainly doesn’t appeal to my lifestyle. Have at it. Capitalism has people starving, freezing to death on the streets whilst other people have their own islands. Have at it So did the USSR but on a greater scale. " So your argument against the worst excesses of capitalism is basically..well they do it? | |||
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"Enslaving an entire race of people and seeing them as inferior because of colour of their skin,racist theories which have lasted 100s of tears6,is apparently a 'walk in the park' Horrendous. Are people being kept in indentured servitude in communist countries today? Yep in China. How many people are being trafficked around the world today for other people to make money? I can freely admit that some horrendous things have been done in the name of communism. Then again I'm not arguing that one system Is perfect whilst the other is the epitome of evil. Communism kept people in identikit homes. Eating identikit shit that they had to queue for. And had them watching state sanctioned television. What a boring miserable life. That certainly doesn’t appeal to my lifestyle. Have at it. Capitalism has people starving, freezing to death on the streets whilst other people have their own islands. Have at it So did the USSR but on a greater scale. So your argument against the worst excesses of capitalism is basically..well they do it?" I like capitalism. I like the ability for me to make as much money as I would like. Having come from nothing and having a lack of choice of clothes etc I am an unashamed consumer. I don’t like some governments policies. And I don’t think any government left right centre or commie has ever looked after the vulnerable well enough. For me that’s a policy decision and it’s never been made correctly. Yet it’s attainable. | |||
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"Enslaving an entire race of people and seeing them as inferior because of colour of their skin,racist theories which have lasted 100s of tears6,is apparently a 'walk in the park' Horrendous. Are people being kept in indentured servitude in communist countries today? Yep in China. How many people are being trafficked around the world today for other people to make money? I can freely admit that some horrendous things have been done in the name of communism. Then again I'm not arguing that one system Is perfect whilst the other is the epitome of evil. Communism kept people in identikit homes. Eating identikit shit that they had to queue for. And had them watching state sanctioned television. What a boring miserable life. That certainly doesn’t appeal to my lifestyle. Have at it. Capitalism has people starving, freezing to death on the streets whilst other people have their own islands. Have at it So did the USSR but on a greater scale. So your argument against the worst excesses of capitalism is basically..well they do it? I like capitalism. I like the ability for me to make as much money as I would like. Having come from nothing and having a lack of choice of clothes etc I am an unashamed consumer. I don’t like some governments policies. And I don’t think any government left right centre or commie has ever looked after the vulnerable well enough. For me that’s a policy decision and it’s never been made correctly. Yet it’s attainable. " If you can reign in the excesses of capitalism,and combine it with socialist policies,where the vulnerable are looked after,where lids gets a decent education, where wages are liveable, and it can be done. However we go the opposite way in this country. The most vulnerable members of society here, are the cause of our problems | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? It makes me wonder why calling yourself a communist is even acceptable given the millions that have died and been murdered under that ideology And no one has ener been killed in the name of capitalism Nobody said Capitalism is perfect but it's a walk in the aprk compared the mass atrocities committed under communist regimes There is a difference between believing in a political concept and the behaviour of the leaders of a country who purport to follow that political concept. It is not even a point to debate that socialism and socially democratic countries are fairer societies and tend to be happier places than countries that have more conservative administrations. The logical thought process for some people might be simply that they would prefer an even more radical version of socialism whereby everyone works collectively for the improvement of society. So by that logic you'd ok with a member of the fascist party sitting on the Sage committee And communism is not social democracy but you seem to think that its impossible to be too far left and that only good things will happen the further left you go" I am open minded, that’s all. It doesn’t pay to be stubbornly ignorant about what is going on in the world. By nature, I am a traditional one-nation Conservative. But I accept that other people have their views even if I disagree with them. | |||
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"Neither system is perfect that's clear. Some countries and cultures may be suited to one or the other so it's not always possible to compare countries. A comparison that may be interesting is Germany before the fall of the wall. One country, one people who use to be together but then split into east and west Germany under 2 systems" Very good point and puts the argument to bed full stop. As I said in theory communism is great in real life it is no different to a fascist state. Lily keeps on about looking after the vulnerable, I doubt many have issues with looking after them, the issue most have a problem with is those who wont contribute rather than those who cant, | |||
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"no, communism is as much an economic system as capitalism despite your attempt to bend fact to fit your narrative." I didnt say it wasnt, communism has a very clear economic system, and its disastrous for all except members of 'the party' | |||
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"because all successful chinese are party members" China is capilalist. Hence my post about communism and capitalism not being opposites | |||
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"China is capilalist. Hence my post about communism and capitalism not being opposites" narrative distortion alert. | |||
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"because all successful chinese are party members China is capilalist. Hence my post about communism and capitalism not being opposites" I don't think China has always used a capitalist system but seem to have thrived ever since they started it (whenever that was). I class their government as communist but maybe not pure communist if that makes sense | |||
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"because all successful chinese are party members China is capilalist. Hence my post about communism and capitalism not being opposites I don't think China has always used a capitalist system but seem to have thrived ever since they started it (whenever that was). I class their government as communist but maybe not pure communist if that makes sense" all communism so far has been run as either autocratic capitalism or plutocratic capitalism. no so called communist state has delivered the means of production to it's population as of yet, in fact if the concept of being a state is applied it cannot be considered communist by default. | |||
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"because all successful chinese are party members China is capilalist. Hence my post about communism and capitalism not being opposites I don't think China has always used a capitalist system but seem to have thrived ever since they started it (whenever that was). I class their government as communist but maybe not pure communist if that makes sense" Yes that's about right. Their journey to communism under Mao is an interesting and bloody one. His wife played her part in the cultural revolution too and encouraged students to rise up and attack their tutors. It was a very gruesome affair | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ?" I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest. | |||
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"no, communism is as much an economic system as capitalism despite your attempt to bend fact to fit your narrative." | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest." Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world? | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest." I'm just going to assume that you're not quoting their statistics seriously and leave it there | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest. Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world?" they are huge contributors to medicins sans frontieres ... the massive positive effect they have had against ebola amongst other diseases in africa is absolutely astonishing. | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest. Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world? they are huge contributors to medicins sans frontieres ... the massive positive effect they have had against ebola amongst other diseases in africa is absolutely astonishing." With the help of 8 billion US dollars. Half of their medical profession work abroad just so they can make a living | |||
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"With the help of 8 billion US dollars. Half of their medical profession work abroad just so they can make a living " narrative distortion alert level 5 | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest. Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world? they are huge contributors to medicins sans frontieres ... the massive positive effect they have had against ebola amongst other diseases in africa is absolutely astonishing. With the help of 8 billion US dollars. Half of their medical profession work abroad just so they can make a living " So go clarify America give Cuba money so they can have a superior health care system? | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest. Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world? they are huge contributors to medicins sans frontieres ... the massive positive effect they have had against ebola amongst other diseases in africa is absolutely astonishing. With the help of 8 billion US dollars. Half of their medical profession work abroad just so they can make a living So go clarify America give Cuba money so they can have a superior health care system?" For use in foreign projects. Clear enough for you? | |||
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"With the help of 8 billion US dollars. Half of their medical profession work abroad just so they can make a living narrative distortion alert level 5" Presumably given your profile name you made all your money under a capitalist system. Unless you inherited it. How bourgeois of you. How about you put your money were your mouth is and give it all away and dont forget the properties that you own | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest. Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world? they are huge contributors to medicins sans frontieres ... the massive positive effect they have had against ebola amongst other diseases in africa is absolutely astonishing. With the help of 8 billion US dollars. Half of their medical profession work abroad just so they can make a living So go clarify America give Cuba money so they can have a superior health care system? For use in foreign projects. Clear enough for you?" So Commimist cuba have a far superior healthcare system than capitalist America | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest. Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world? they are huge contributors to medicins sans frontieres ... the massive positive effect they have had against ebola amongst other diseases in africa is absolutely astonishing. With the help of 8 billion US dollars. Half of their medical profession work abroad just so they can make a living So go clarify America give Cuba money so they can have a superior health care system? For use in foreign projects. Clear enough for you? So Commimist cuba have a far superior healthcare system than capitalist America " No they dont | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest. Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world? they are huge contributors to medicins sans frontieres ... the massive positive effect they have had against ebola amongst other diseases in africa is absolutely astonishing. With the help of 8 billion US dollars. Half of their medical profession work abroad just so they can make a living So go clarify America give Cuba money so they can have a superior health care system? For use in foreign projects. Clear enough for you? So Commimist cuba have a far superior healthcare system than capitalist America No they dont" Really? | |||
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"Cuba also has an excellent education system " It's improved a lot but only because it was so dire in the first place | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest. Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world? they are huge contributors to medicins sans frontieres ... the massive positive effect they have had against ebola amongst other diseases in africa is absolutely astonishing. With the help of 8 billion US dollars. Half of their medical profession work abroad just so they can make a living So go clarify America give Cuba money so they can have a superior health care system? For use in foreign projects. Clear enough for you? So Commimist cuba have a far superior healthcare system than capitalist America No they dont Really?" Yes really. They've long been known to manipulate their figures | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest. Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world? they are huge contributors to medicins sans frontieres ... the massive positive effect they have had against ebola amongst other diseases in africa is absolutely astonishing. With the help of 8 billion US dollars. Half of their medical profession work abroad just so they can make a living So go clarify America give Cuba money so they can have a superior health care system? For use in foreign projects. Clear enough for you? So Commimist cuba have a far superior healthcare system than capitalist America No they dont Really? Yes really. They've long been known to manipulate their figures "
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"Presumably given your profile name you made all your money under a capitalist system. Unless you inherited it. How bourgeois of you. How about you put your money were your mouth is and give it all away and dont forget the properties that you own " you're displaying such hate ... presume or assume all you want ... whichever, your suppositions are based on wild surmise ... stick to the topic of debate and kerb your hate | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest. Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world? they are huge contributors to medicins sans frontieres ... the massive positive effect they have had against ebola amongst other diseases in africa is absolutely astonishing. With the help of 8 billion US dollars. Half of their medical profession work abroad just so they can make a living So go clarify America give Cuba money so they can have a superior health care system? For use in foreign projects. Clear enough for you? So Commimist cuba have a far superior healthcare system than capitalist America No they dont Really? Yes really. They've long been known to manipulate their figures
Of course they do"Just like matey above from Glasgow who believes that communist countries have the lowest covid infection rates. You couldn't make it up. Except they do | |||
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"Presumably given your profile name you made all your money under a capitalist system. Unless you inherited it. How bourgeois of you. How about you put your money were your mouth is and give it all away and dont forget the properties that you own you're displaying such hate ... presume or assume all you want ... whichever, your suppositions are based on wild surmise ... stick to the topic of debate and kerb your hate "Pointless even arguing. Clearly nothing good will ever good from communism despite stats on healthcare proving otherwise | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest. Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world? they are huge contributors to medicins sans frontieres ... the massive positive effect they have had against ebola amongst other diseases in africa is absolutely astonishing. With the help of 8 billion US dollars. Half of their medical profession work abroad just so they can make a living So go clarify America give Cuba money so they can have a superior health care system? For use in foreign projects. Clear enough for you? So Commimist cuba have a far superior healthcare system than capitalist America No they dont Really? Yes really. They've long been known to manipulate their figures
Of course they do
Just like matey above from Glasgow who believes that communist countries have the lowest covid infection rates. You couldn't make it up. Except they do"The trump post truth Era in full effect | |||
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"Richard Madely interviews a SAGE Communist Scientist on breakfast TV and criticised for bringing up her politics and asking if her views to control the population are based on Communist beliefs.. Does it make you wonder ? I highly doubt it. There are four communist states in the world. All have much lower infection rates than us, three are significantly lower, two have the lowest. I'm just going to assume that you're not quoting their statistics seriously and leave it there" I'm quoting these statistics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:COVID-19_Outbreak_World_Map_Total_Deaths_per_Capita.svg which is complied from two sources provided in the description. | |||
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"Presumably given your profile name you made all your money under a capitalist system. Unless you inherited it. How bourgeois of you. How about you put your money were your mouth is and give it all away and dont forget the properties that you own you're displaying such hate ... presume or assume all you want ... whichever, your suppositions are based on wild surmise ... stick to the topic of debate and kerb your hate "No hate but blatant hypocrisy certainly gets up my nose | |||
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" Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world?" Indeed. I recently learned that they've managed to develop a vaccine for lung cancer, that may even affect other cancers too. | |||
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" Dont Cuba have one of the best medical systems in the world? Indeed. I recently learned that they've managed to develop a vaccine for lung cancer, that may even affect other cancers too." They are probally just making it up | |||
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"you need to relax and let go of your hate or jealousy or whatever capitalist nuero-programming you are labouring under ... you would enjoy life more without your negativity. hope this helps "That's ok thanks, I have no problem with disliking hypocrites | |||
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"you need to relax and let go of your hate or jealousy or whatever capitalist nuero-programming you are labouring under ... you would enjoy life more without your negativity. hope this helps
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"The moral of this thread. If you get beaten up by a communist for voicing dissent or publishing something you shouldn’t then you should do it in Cuba. So when you get beaten with a rubber hose the healthcare system can put you back together again. At least you can relax on one of its lovely beaches afterwards and drinking a soothing mojito. Would still rather live in Vietnam though. " As opposed to the land of the free presumably? | |||
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"The moral of this thread. If you get beaten up by a communist for voicing dissent or publishing something you shouldn’t then you should do it in Cuba. So when you get beaten with a rubber hose the healthcare system can put you back together again. At least you can relax on one of its lovely beaches afterwards and drinking a soothing mojito. Would still rather live in Vietnam though. As opposed to the land of the free presumably?" No I would there as well. I can afford healthcare. | |||
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"Control of the population is a Stalinist policy , that’s a far away from communist ideas of Marx and Engels , even though Stalin derived from it , but similar like Maoism - it’s a far way off Apart from that - control over the population is also a crave of capitalist plutocratic forces who at current are the ones turning the wheel " Wasn't "dictatorship of proletariat" coined by Marx and Engels? | |||
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"Fascism and Communism are both dangerous ideals. One uses race/nationality as excuse to kill people. Another uses the ideology itself as an excuse to kill people." Funny then how capitalist countires often flirt with facism. | |||
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"Fascism and Communism are both dangerous ideals. One uses race/nationality as excuse to kill people. Another uses the ideology itself as an excuse to kill people." Horseshoe politics where both extremes lead to disastrous results. Only no normal person would ever defend fascism the way that communism is being defended | |||
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"Fascism and Communism are both dangerous ideals. One uses race/nationality as excuse to kill people. Another uses the ideology itself as an excuse to kill people. Horseshoe politics where both extremes lead to disastrous results. Only no normal person would ever defend fascism the way that communism is being defended " Harsh on Winston that. | |||
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"you need to relax and let go of your hate or jealousy or whatever capitalist nuero-programming you are labouring under ... you would enjoy life more without your negativity. hope this helps
That's ok thanks, I have no problem with disliking hypocrites
i'll leave you to your presumptious world of capitalist hate and politics of jealousy then. "Ok, be sure to let us know when you've stood by your principles and handed over everything you own for redistribution | |||
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That's ok thanks, I have no problem with disliking hypocrites
i'll leave you to your presumptious world of capitalist hate and politics of jealousy then.
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"Fascism and Communism are both dangerous ideals. One uses race/nationality as excuse to kill people. Another uses the ideology itself as an excuse to kill people. Funny then how capitalist countires often flirt with facism. " What percentage of capitalist countries turned out to be fascist? What percentage of communist countries turned out to be authoritarian? | |||
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"Fascism and Communism are both dangerous ideals. One uses race/nationality as excuse to kill people. Another uses the ideology itself as an excuse to kill people. Horseshoe politics where both extremes lead to disastrous results. Only no normal person would ever defend fascism the way that communism is being defended " True to an extent. Supporters of fascism know the evils of the philosophy and still support it. Most communists on the other hand are just too naive to understand what communism results in and support it. | |||
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"Fascism and Communism are both dangerous ideals. One uses race/nationality as excuse to kill people. Another uses the ideology itself as an excuse to kill people. Funny then how capitalist countires often flirt with facism. What percentage of capitalist countries turned out to be fascist? What percentage of communist countries turned out to be authoritarian?" But that's not what you said? You said communism and facism were as bad as each other,when capitalist countries such as ourselves have openly praised facism in the past and would gladly support a monster like Hitler,over amy form of communism. | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL" Can you back up that 1st statement please? | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? "China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely | |||
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"Fascism and Communism are both dangerous ideals. One uses race/nationality as excuse to kill people. Another uses the ideology itself as an excuse to kill people. Funny then how capitalist countires often flirt with facism. What percentage of capitalist countries turned out to be fascist? What percentage of communist countries turned out to be authoritarian? But that's not what you said? You said communism and facism were as bad as each other,when capitalist countries such as ourselves have openly praised facism in the past and would gladly support a monster like Hitler,over amy form of communism." Can you back up that statement. When has the government of the UK supported hitler over any communist country. | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely "50m under stalin? Are you sure about that? | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely "I'd also check that China figure If I were you | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
"How many million deaths are acceptable to you to fulfill your utopian dream? | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
How many million deaths are acceptable to you to fulfill your utopian dream?"That's not the point You dont just pluck figures or of your arse to back up your argument | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
"Because Mao was one evil dictator the true figures will never be proved but many put China at 100 million deaths ,those on the left will dispute that obviously | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
How many million deaths are acceptable to you to fulfill your utopian dream?
That's not the point
You dont just pluck figures or of your arse to back up your argument
"Can you tell us if any other ideology has killed more people than communism ? | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
How many million deaths are acceptable to you to fulfill your utopian dream?
That's not the point
You dont just pluck figures or of your arse to back up your argument
"Ah so those millions of human beings were just collateral damage. Nice ideology to get behind Lionel | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
Because Mao was one evil dictator the true figures will never be proved but many put China at 100 million deaths ,those on the left will dispute that obviously "Funny the source you quoted puts the figure between 15 and 55 million. Obvs they are part of the 'left Still making up figures in your own head ,only adds credibility to your argument. More people have died under capitalism than communism. | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
How many million deaths are acceptable to you to fulfill your utopian dream?
That's not the point
You dont just pluck figures or of your arse to back up your argument
Ah so those millions of human beings were just collateral damage. Nice ideology to get behind Lionel"Unless my memory is playing tricks on me..the untold millions who have died in the name of capitalism.. through s#####y, colonialism and world wars etc was described by your good self yesterday in terms of 'a bumpy road.' | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
How many million deaths are acceptable to you to fulfill your utopian dream?
That's not the point
You dont just pluck figures or of your arse to back up your argument
Ah so those millions of human beings were just collateral damage. Nice ideology to get behind Lionel
Unless my memory is playing tricks on me..the untold millions who have died in the name of capitalism.. through s#####y, colonialism and world wars etc was described by your good self yesterday in terms of 'a bumpy road.'"No it wasnt, I said compared to communism But you carry on with your whataboutery if it makes you feel better mate | |||
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"Don’t know why we are arguing. Communism is on its last legs. People have turned their back on it. Nothing wrong with nicking a few policies. " What! You mean people aren't fighting to get into North Korea? I wont believe it | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
Because Mao was one evil dictator the true figures will never be proved but many put China at 100 million deaths ,those on the left will dispute that obviously
Funny the source you quoted puts the figure between 15 and 55 million.
Obvs they are part of the 'left
Still making up figures in your own head ,only adds credibility to your argument.
More people have died under capitalism than communism."Those figures are Estimated but very widely accepted, Stalin death toll ranges from 20- 50 million that includes all the starvation in Ukraine through collectivisation that killed at least 7-10 million | |||
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"Don’t know why we are arguing. Communism is on its last legs. People have turned their back on it. Nothing wrong with nicking a few policies. " In the light of austerity,financial crashes, structural inequality..if there was a crises in anything,it would be capitalism | |||
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"Don’t know why we are arguing. Communism is on its last legs. People have turned their back on it. Nothing wrong with nicking a few policies. In the light of austerity,financial crashes, structural inequality..if there was a crises in anything,it would be capitalism " But it will outlive it all. | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
Because Mao was one evil dictator the true figures will never be proved but many put China at 100 million deaths ,those on the left will dispute that obviously
Funny the source you quoted puts the figure between 15 and 55 million.
Obvs they are part of the 'left
Still making up figures in your own head ,only adds credibility to your argument.
More people have died under capitalism than communism. Those figures are Estimated but very widely accepted, Stalin death toll ranges from 20- 50 million that includes all the starvation in Ukraine through collectivisation that killed at least 7-10 million "Stalin is no where near 50 million | |||
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"Don’t know why we are arguing. Communism is on its last legs. People have turned their back on it. Nothing wrong with nicking a few policies. What! You mean people aren't fighting to get into North Korea? I wont believe it "That’s clearly the wrong type of communism.  | |||
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"Fascism and Communism are both dangerous ideals. One uses race/nationality as excuse to kill people. Another uses the ideology itself as an excuse to kill people. Funny then how capitalist countires often flirt with facism. What percentage of capitalist countries turned out to be fascist? What percentage of communist countries turned out to be authoritarian? But that's not what you said? You said communism and facism were as bad as each other,when capitalist countries such as ourselves have openly praised facism in the past and would gladly support a monster like Hitler,over amy form of communism." Some people praising fascism is not the same as a government actually becoming fascist. A capitalist economy can function well without becoming authoritarian just like majority countries on the planet survive now. But a communist economy cannot be achieved without authoritarianism. | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
How many million deaths are acceptable to you to fulfill your utopian dream?
That's not the point
You dont just pluck figures or of your arse to back up your argument
Ah so those millions of human beings were just collateral damage. Nice ideology to get behind Lionel
Unless my memory is playing tricks on me..the untold millions who have died in the name of capitalism.. through s#####y, colonialism and world wars etc was described by your good self yesterday in terms of 'a bumpy road.'"Colonialism is not down to capitalism. You act like the world was a peaceful haven with cultures sucking off each other before capitalism started. Cultures were fighting brutal wars even before capitalism. People were getting killed even then. We are at an all time minimum when it comes to number of wars being fought and people being killed in wars. The main reason for it is international trade. The moment you think about going to war with a nation, the government has to think about all the trade that's going on with that country and find ways to compensate for that. Then they realise that war is just not worth it. If anything, capitalism has to be credited for reducing wars. | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
How many million deaths are acceptable to you to fulfill your utopian dream?
That's not the point
You dont just pluck figures or of your arse to back up your argument
Ah so those millions of human beings were just collateral damage. Nice ideology to get behind Lionel
Unless my memory is playing tricks on me..the untold millions who have died in the name of capitalism.. through s#####y, colonialism and world wars etc was described by your good self yesterday in terms of 'a bumpy road.'
Colonialism is not down to capitalism. You act like the world was a peaceful haven with cultures sucking off each other before capitalism started. Cultures were fighting brutal wars even before capitalism. People were getting killed even then.
We are at an all time minimum when it comes to number of wars being fought and people being killed in wars. The main reason for it is international trade. The moment you think about going to war with a nation, the government has to think about all the trade that's going on with that country and find ways to compensate for that. Then they realise that war is just not worth it. If anything, capitalism has to be credited for reducing wars."Capitalism was the basis for colonialism..it was about making money..the corner stone of capitalism. Could you provide some evidence to back up that last sentence? One of the most destructive wars in history was fought on the back of capitalism. | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
How many million deaths are acceptable to you to fulfill your utopian dream?
That's not the point
You dont just pluck figures or of your arse to back up your argument
Ah so those millions of human beings were just collateral damage. Nice ideology to get behind Lionel
Unless my memory is playing tricks on me..the untold millions who have died in the name of capitalism.. through s#####y, colonialism and world wars etc was described by your good self yesterday in terms of 'a bumpy road.'
Colonialism is not down to capitalism. You act like the world was a peaceful haven with cultures sucking off each other before capitalism started. Cultures were fighting brutal wars even before capitalism. People were getting killed even then.
We are at an all time minimum when it comes to number of wars being fought and people being killed in wars. The main reason for it is international trade. The moment you think about going to war with a nation, the government has to think about all the trade that's going on with that country and find ways to compensate for that. Then they realise that war is just not worth it. If anything, capitalism has to be credited for reducing wars.
Capitalism was the basis for colonialism..it was about making money..the corner stone of capitalism.
Could you provide some evidence to back up that last sentence?
One of the most destructive wars in history was fought on the back of capitalism. "Repeating the point I have made above, your statement about capitalism being responsible for the wars is untrue. You could make such a claim if the world was a peaceful place before that. The only thing that changed in nineteenth century was that we found new sources of energy that allowed people to make more destructive weapons. Second world war happened because of a facist dictator. Not sure how you can blame capitalism for it when USSR itself was a part of it. About backing up my last statements, check out Hans Rosling's Factfulness or Steven Pinker's Enlightenment Now books. You have all statistics that prove that we have gotten exponential increase in quality of live in the past century. And war is one of the stats. | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
How many million deaths are acceptable to you to fulfill your utopian dream?
That's not the point
You dont just pluck figures or of your arse to back up your argument
Ah so those millions of human beings were just collateral damage. Nice ideology to get behind Lionel
Unless my memory is playing tricks on me..the untold millions who have died in the name of capitalism.. through s#####y, colonialism and world wars etc was described by your good self yesterday in terms of 'a bumpy road.'
Colonialism is not down to capitalism. You act like the world was a peaceful haven with cultures sucking off each other before capitalism started. Cultures were fighting brutal wars even before capitalism. People were getting killed even then.
We are at an all time minimum when it comes to number of wars being fought and people being killed in wars. The main reason for it is international trade. The moment you think about going to war with a nation, the government has to think about all the trade that's going on with that country and find ways to compensate for that. Then they realise that war is just not worth it. If anything, capitalism has to be credited for reducing wars."I would say nuclear deterrents and the threat of UN and superpower intervention probably played a big part in reducing wars. However, capitalism does ultimately trump as nothing gets in the way of making the rich and powerful more rich and powerful...only reason for intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq. | |||
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
How many million deaths are acceptable to you to fulfill your utopian dream?
That's not the point
You dont just pluck figures or of your arse to back up your argument
Ah so those millions of human beings were just collateral damage. Nice ideology to get behind Lionel
Unless my memory is playing tricks on me..the untold millions who have died in the name of capitalism.. through s#####y, colonialism and world wars etc was described by your good self yesterday in terms of 'a bumpy road.'
Colonialism is not down to capitalism. You act like the world was a peaceful haven with cultures sucking off each other before capitalism started. Cultures were fighting brutal wars even before capitalism. People were getting killed even then.
We are at an all time minimum when it comes to number of wars being fought and people being killed in wars. The main reason for it is international trade. The moment you think about going to war with a nation, the government has to think about all the trade that's going on with that country and find ways to compensate for that. Then they realise that war is just not worth it. If anything, capitalism has to be credited for reducing wars.
I would say nuclear deterrents and the threat of UN and superpower intervention probably played a big part in reducing wars. However, capitalism does ultimately trump as nothing gets in the way of making the rich and powerful more rich and powerful...only reason for intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq. "Nuclear intervention, yes. It plays a part. But UN? As though people give a damn about it.
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"Communism has killed more people than any other ideology, those on the left usually say ah but that wasn’t the right type let us have another go we’ll get it right this time LOL Can you back up that 1st statement please? China 100 million, USSR 20- 50 million,Cambodia 3rd off there population ,Wikipedia puts deaths at 60- 150 million the higher figure being the most likely
I'd also check that China figure If I were you
How many million deaths are acceptable to you to fulfill your utopian dream?
That's not the point
You dont just pluck figures or of your arse to back up your argument
Ah so those millions of human beings were just collateral damage. Nice ideology to get behind Lionel
Unless my memory is playing tricks on me..the untold millions who have died in the name of capitalism.. through s#####y, colonialism and world wars etc was described by your good self yesterday in terms of 'a bumpy road.'
Colonialism is not down to capitalism. You act like the world was a peaceful haven with cultures sucking off each other before capitalism started. Cultures were fighting brutal wars even before capitalism. People were getting killed even then.
We are at an all time minimum when it comes to number of wars being fought and people being killed in wars. The main reason for it is international trade. The moment you think about going to war with a nation, the government has to think about all the trade that's going on with that country and find ways to compensate for that. Then they realise that war is just not worth it. If anything, capitalism has to be credited for reducing wars.
Capitalism was the basis for colonialism..it was about making money..the corner stone of capitalism.
Could you provide some evidence to back up that last sentence?
One of the most destructive wars in history was fought on the back of capitalism.
Repeating the point I have made above, your statement about capitalism being responsible for the wars is untrue. You could make such a claim if the world was a peaceful place before that. The only thing that changed in nineteenth century was that we found new sources of energy that allowed people to make more destructive weapons.
Second world war happened because of a facist dictator. Not sure how you can blame capitalism for it when USSR itself was a part of it.
About backing up my last statements, check out Hans Rosling's Factfulness or Steven Pinker's Enlightenment Now books. You have all statistics that prove that we have gotten exponential increase in quality of live in the past century. And war is one of the stats."One of the main reasons for ww1 was because Britain was a world super power and Germany wanted equal billion. It was therefore down to money. Capitalism | |||
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" Colonialism is not down to capitalism. You act like the world was a peaceful haven with cultures sucking off each other before capitalism started. Cultures were fighting brutal wars even before capitalism. People were getting killed even then. We are at an all time minimum when it comes to number of wars being fought and people being killed in wars. The main reason for it is international trade. The moment you think about going to war with a nation, the government has to think about all the trade that's going on with that country and find ways to compensate for that. Then they realise that war is just not worth it. If anything, capitalism has to be credited for reducing wars. Capitalism was the basis for colonialism..it was about making money..the corner stone of capitalism. Could you provide some evidence to back up that last sentence? One of the most destructive wars in history was fought on the back of capitalism. Repeating the point I have made above, your statement about capitalism being responsible for the wars is untrue. You could make such a claim if the world was a peaceful place before that. The only thing that changed in nineteenth century was that we found new sources of energy that allowed people to make more destructive weapons. Second world war happened because of a facist dictator. Not sure how you can blame capitalism for it when USSR itself was a part of it. About backing up my last statements, check out Hans Rosling's Factfulness or Steven Pinker's Enlightenment Now books. You have all statistics that prove that we have gotten exponential increase in quality of live in the past century. And war is one of the stats. One of the main reasons for ww1 was because Britain was a world super power and Germany wanted equal billion. It was therefore down to money. Capitalism " Capitalism played a part in it. But capitalism is not the only reason. If capitalism as you say will lead to wars, why hasn't any world war broken out in the past 70 decades? Before capitalism - countries were fighting and killing each other Capitalism starts - countries were still fighting and killing each other Later period of capitalism - The number of wars goes down drastically. How can you say capitalism is the reason for wars and killing people? On the other hand, communist parties take over in the USSR, China, Cuba etc. People get killed everywhere without fail. It always results in authoritarian governments. And there are people who still support the stupid idea that's communism. | |||
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" Colonialism is not down to capitalism. You act like the world was a peaceful haven with cultures sucking off each other before capitalism started. Cultures were fighting brutal wars even before capitalism. People were getting killed even then. We are at an all time minimum when it comes to number of wars being fought and people being killed in wars. The main reason for it is international trade. The moment you think about going to war with a nation, the government has to think about all the trade that's going on with that country and find ways to compensate for that. Then they realise that war is just not worth it. If anything, capitalism has to be credited for reducing wars. Capitalism was the basis for colonialism..it was about making money..the corner stone of capitalism. Could you provide some evidence to back up that last sentence? One of the most destructive wars in history was fought on the back of capitalism. Repeating the point I have made above, your statement about capitalism being responsible for the wars is untrue. You could make such a claim if the world was a peaceful place before that. The only thing that changed in nineteenth century was that we found new sources of energy that allowed people to make more destructive weapons. Second world war happened because of a facist dictator. Not sure how you can blame capitalism for it when USSR itself was a part of it. About backing up my last statements, check out Hans Rosling's Factfulness or Steven Pinker's Enlightenment Now books. You have all statistics that prove that we have gotten exponential increase in quality of live in the past century. And war is one of the stats. One of the main reasons for ww1 was because Britain was a world super power and Germany wanted equal billion. It was therefore down to money. Capitalism Capitalism played a part in it. But capitalism is not the only reason. If capitalism as you say will lead to wars, why hasn't any world war broken out in the past 70 decades? Before capitalism - countries were fighting and killing each other Capitalism starts - countries were still fighting and killing each other Later period of capitalism - The number of wars goes down drastically. How can you say capitalism is the reason for wars and killing people? On the other hand, communist parties take over in the USSR, China, Cuba etc. People get killed everywhere without fail. It always results in authoritarian governments. And there are people who still support the stupid idea that's communism." Maybe something to do with most of Europe being part of some economic club? Maybe we could join? So rather surprisingly when a lot of countries support each other economically.. the rush to war is massively diminished Why would you go to war with your own market? How many people have the anericans killed in the last century to ensure the survival of capitalism? People get killed all over the world. The idea that repression only occurs on capitalist countries is a fairy tale. | |||
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"Listening to the people of Cuba it seems the health systems isn’t quite as good as previously stated. It’s a very big thing for people to be on the streets chanting down with communism in Cuba. President Miguel Díaz-Canel appeared on national television to call on the Army to confront the peaceful protesters: “The order to fight has been given,” I hope they get the freedom they want personally. " Yet still far superior to americas. | |||
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"Listening to the people of Cuba it seems the health systems isn’t quite as good as previously stated. It’s a very big thing for people to be on the streets chanting down with communism in Cuba. President Miguel Díaz-Canel appeared on national television to call on the Army to confront the peaceful protesters: “The order to fight has been given,” I hope they get the freedom they want personally. Yet still far superior to americas." Let’s just hope the Cubans come out ok and the freedom they deserve. | |||
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"Listening to the people of Cuba it seems the health systems isn’t quite as good as previously stated. It’s a very big thing for people to be on the streets chanting down with communism in Cuba. President Miguel Díaz-Canel appeared on national television to call on the Army to confront the peaceful protesters: “The order to fight has been given,” I hope they get the freedom they want personally. Yet still far superior to americas. Let’s just hope the Cubans come out ok and the freedom they deserve. " You seem desperate to cling to the notion that nothing come out of a system which,at least initially, is meant to reduce inequality. 1st (incorrectly)healthcare and now democracy. Cuba have a better healthcare system than America because it's not dependent on how Rich you are. | |||
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"Listening to the people of Cuba it seems the health systems isn’t quite as good as previously stated. It’s a very big thing for people to be on the streets chanting down with communism in Cuba. President Miguel Díaz-Canel appeared on national television to call on the Army to confront the peaceful protesters: “The order to fight has been given,” I hope they get the freedom they want personally. Yet still far superior to americas. Let’s just hope the Cubans come out ok and the freedom they deserve. You seem desperate to cling to the notion that nothing come out of a system which,at least initially, is meant to reduce inequality. 1st (incorrectly)healthcare and now democracy. Cuba have a better healthcare system than America because it's not dependent on how Rich you are." I’m not desperate. I think you are getting me confused with someone else. I initially agreed further up in the thread that they have a good healthcare systems. I have revised my opinion slightly as to it’s current state. (The US sanctions play a major part I suspect) When you have Cubans currently saying there is no medicine and bodies are being left in house for days then there is a problem. Also outbreaks of other infectious diseases that should be treatable early then there is a problem. I think we both agree that if the people want freedom from a one party state and the tyranny that state visits on its population then they should have it? | |||
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"Listening to the people of Cuba it seems the health systems isn’t quite as good as previously stated. It’s a very big thing for people to be on the streets chanting down with communism in Cuba. President Miguel Díaz-Canel appeared on national television to call on the Army to confront the peaceful protesters: “The order to fight has been given,” I hope they get the freedom they want personally. Yet still far superior to americas. Let’s just hope the Cubans come out ok and the freedom they deserve. You seem desperate to cling to the notion that nothing come out of a system which,at least initially, is meant to reduce inequality. 1st (incorrectly)healthcare and now democracy. Cuba have a better healthcare system than America because it's not dependent on how Rich you are." And even if that were the case, which it isn't, you're perfectly happy to support an ideology that results in the imiseration and deaths of millions of people? I mean for christ sake, Mussolini made the trains run on time but who in their right mind would defend fascism | |||
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"Listening to the people of Cuba it seems the health systems isn’t quite as good as previously stated. It’s a very big thing for people to be on the streets chanting down with communism in Cuba. President Miguel Díaz-Canel appeared on national television to call on the Army to confront the peaceful protesters: “The order to fight has been given,” I hope they get the freedom they want personally. Yet still far superior to americas. Let’s just hope the Cubans come out ok and the freedom they deserve. You seem desperate to cling to the notion that nothing come out of a system which,at least initially, is meant to reduce inequality. 1st (incorrectly)healthcare and now democracy. Cuba have a better healthcare system than America because it's not dependent on how Rich you are. And even if that were the case, which it isn't, you're perfectly happy to support an ideology that results in the imiseration and deaths of millions of people? I mean for christ sake, Mussolini made the trains run on time but who in their right mind would defend fascism" You do realise churchill openly admired Mussolini dont you? Seeing as you completely ignored it last time I mentioned it? You are also presumably aware facism was quite popular here in the 30s? | |||
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" One of the main reasons for ww1 was because Britain was a world super power and Germany wanted equal billion. It was therefore down to money. Capitalism Capitalism played a part in it. But capitalism is not the only reason. If capitalism as you say will lead to wars, why hasn't any world war broken out in the past 70 decades? Before capitalism - countries were fighting and killing each other Capitalism starts - countries were still fighting and killing each other Later period of capitalism - The number of wars goes down drastically. How can you say capitalism is the reason for wars and killing people? On the other hand, communist parties take over in the USSR, China, Cuba etc. People get killed everywhere without fail. It always results in authoritarian governments. And there are people who still support the stupid idea that's communism. Maybe something to do with most of Europe being part of some economic club? Maybe we could join? So rather surprisingly when a lot of countries support each other economically.. the rush to war is massively diminished Why would you go to war with your own market? How many people have the anericans killed in the last century to ensure the survival of capitalism? People get killed all over the world. The idea that repression only occurs on capitalist countries is a fairy tale." So now you want to complain about Brexit
I don't care about brexit one way or another. But, countries do not need to form an economic club to not go on war with each other. You just have to look outside Europe to prove that point.
You did ask the right question. Why would you go on war against your own market? That's the whole point I am making. Every country trades with most other countries and it hardly makes any economic sense to go on war against others.
America fought wars to ensure survival of capitalism? That's a major leap of assumption. Capitalism survived everywhere in all other countries too.
You seem to be an expert in making strawman arguments. Imagining stuff I never said and arguing with it
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"Listening to the people of Cuba it seems the health systems isn’t quite as good as previously stated. It’s a very big thing for people to be on the streets chanting down with communism in Cuba. President Miguel Díaz-Canel appeared on national television to call on the Army to confront the peaceful protesters: “The order to fight has been given,” I hope they get the freedom they want personally. Yet still far superior to americas. Let’s just hope the Cubans come out ok and the freedom they deserve. You seem desperate to cling to the notion that nothing come out of a system which,at least initially, is meant to reduce inequality. 1st (incorrectly)healthcare and now democracy. Cuba have a better healthcare system than America because it's not dependent on how Rich you are. And even if that were the case, which it isn't, you're perfectly happy to support an ideology that results in the imiseration and deaths of millions of people? I mean for christ sake, Mussolini made the trains run on time but who in their right mind would defend fascism You do realise churchill openly admired Mussolini dont you? Seeing as you completely ignored it last time I mentioned it? You are also presumably aware facism was quite popular here in the 30s?" So what if Churchill admired Mussolini. What does that have to do with you supporting extremist ideologies? | |||
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"Listening to the people of Cuba it seems the health systems isn’t quite as good as previously stated. It’s a very big thing for people to be on the streets chanting down with communism in Cuba. President Miguel Díaz-Canel appeared on national television to call on the Army to confront the peaceful protesters: “The order to fight has been given,” I hope they get the freedom they want personally. Yet still far superior to americas." Can you back this last line with evidence?
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"Listening to the people of Cuba it seems the health systems isn’t quite as good as previously stated. It’s a very big thing for people to be on the streets chanting down with communism in Cuba. President Miguel Díaz-Canel appeared on national television to call on the Army to confront the peaceful protesters: “The order to fight has been given,” I hope they get the freedom they want personally. Yet still far superior to americas. Let’s just hope the Cubans come out ok and the freedom they deserve. You seem desperate to cling to the notion that nothing come out of a system which,at least initially, is meant to reduce inequality. 1st (incorrectly)healthcare and now democracy. Cuba have a better healthcare system than America because it's not dependent on how Rich you are. I’m not desperate. I think you are getting me confused with someone else. I initially agreed further up in the thread that they have a good healthcare systems. I have revised my opinion slightly as to it’s current state. (The US sanctions play a major part I suspect) When you have Cubans currently saying there is no medicine and bodies are being left in house for days then there is a problem. Also outbreaks of other infectious diseases that should be treatable early then there is a problem. I think we both agree that if the people want freedom from a one party state and the tyranny that state visits on its population then they should have it? " Freedom? | |||
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I need to get that framed
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"Listening to the people of Cuba it seems the health systems isn’t quite as good as previously stated. It’s a very big thing for people to be on the streets chanting down with communism in Cuba. President Miguel Díaz-Canel appeared on national television to call on the Army to confront the peaceful protesters: “The order to fight has been given,” I hope they get the freedom they want personally. Yet still far superior to americas. Let’s just hope the Cubans come out ok and the freedom they deserve. You seem desperate to cling to the notion that nothing come out of a system which,at least initially, is meant to reduce inequality. 1st (incorrectly)healthcare and now democracy. Cuba have a better healthcare system than America because it's not dependent on how Rich you are. And even if that were the case, which it isn't, you're perfectly happy to support an ideology that results in the imiseration and deaths of millions of people? I mean for christ sake, Mussolini made the trains run on time but who in their right mind would defend fascism You do realise churchill openly admired Mussolini dont you? Seeing as you completely ignored it last time I mentioned it? You are also presumably aware facism was quite popular here in the 30s? So what if Churchill admired Mussolini. What does that have to do with you supporting extremist ideologies?
I need to get that framed
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"Listening to the people of Cuba it seems the health systems isn’t quite as good as previously stated. It’s a very big thing for people to be on the streets chanting down with communism in Cuba. President Miguel Díaz-Canel appeared on national television to call on the Army to confront the peaceful protesters: “The order to fight has been given,” I hope they get the freedom they want personally. Yet still far superior to americas. Let’s just hope the Cubans come out ok and the freedom they deserve. You seem desperate to cling to the notion that nothing come out of a system which,at least initially, is meant to reduce inequality. 1st (incorrectly)healthcare and now democracy. Cuba have a better healthcare system than America because it's not dependent on how Rich you are. And even if that were the case, which it isn't, you're perfectly happy to support an ideology that results in the imiseration and deaths of millions of people? I mean for christ sake, Mussolini made the trains run on time but who in their right mind would defend fascism You do realise churchill openly admired Mussolini dont you? Seeing as you completely ignored it last time I mentioned it? You are also presumably aware facism was quite popular here in the 30s? So what if Churchill admired Mussolini. What does that have to do with you supporting extremist ideologies?
I need to get that framed
Even more than you need people's attention?"Oh dear What is it with Tory and making things personal? You just cant help yourselves can you? Shane  | |||
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"Listening to the people of Cuba it seems the health systems isn’t quite as good as previously stated. It’s a very big thing for people to be on the streets chanting down with communism in Cuba. President Miguel Díaz-Canel appeared on national television to call on the Army to confront the peaceful protesters: “The order to fight has been given,” I hope they get the freedom they want personally. Yet still far superior to americas. Let’s just hope the Cubans come out ok and the freedom they deserve. You seem desperate to cling to the notion that nothing come out of a system which,at least initially, is meant to reduce inequality. 1st (incorrectly)healthcare and now democracy. Cuba have a better healthcare system than America because it's not dependent on how Rich you are. And even if that were the case, which it isn't, you're perfectly happy to support an ideology that results in the imiseration and deaths of millions of people? I mean for christ sake, Mussolini made the trains run on time but who in their right mind would defend fascism You do realise churchill openly admired Mussolini dont you? Seeing as you completely ignored it last time I mentioned it? You are also presumably aware facism was quite popular here in the 30s? So what if Churchill admired Mussolini. What does that have to do with you supporting extremist ideologies?
I need to get that framed
Even more than you need people's attention?
Oh dear
What is it with Tory and making things personal?
You just cant help yourselves can you?
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"This was a thread that Tom started and it was about a member of SAGE who had been a member of the Communist party for over 3O years and on breakfast TV, Richard Madely asked if SAGE advice on restrictions on freedom stemmed from a communist ideology of controlling its citizens. Since then, poor Lionel has been poked, prodded and hounded. This is pack mentality guys. Leave the poor bigger alone. "What do you make of all this hullabaloo Tom? Is it ok for her to be a member of the communist party and a member of Sage? | |||
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"This was a thread that Tom started and it was about a member of SAGE who had been a member of the Communist party for over 3O years and on breakfast TV, Richard Madely asked if SAGE advice on restrictions on freedom stemmed from a communist ideology of controlling its citizens. Since then, poor Lionel has been poked, prodded and hounded. This is pack mentality guys. Leave the poor bigger alone.
What do you make of all this hullabaloo Tom? Is it ok for her to be a member of the communist party and a member of Sage?"Well. Richard Madley wonders if it's an attempt to control the populus by a communist. To be fair. She did not answer the question | |||
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"This was a thread that Tom started and it was about a member of SAGE who had been a member of the Communist party for over 3O years and on breakfast TV, Richard Madely asked if SAGE advice on restrictions on freedom stemmed from a communist ideology of controlling its citizens. Since then, poor Lionel has been poked, prodded and hounded. This is pack mentality guys. Leave the poor bigger alone.
What do you make of all this hullabaloo Tom? Is it ok for her to be a member of the communist party and a member of Sage?
Well. Richard Madley wonders if it's an attempt to control the populus by a communist. To be fair. She did not answer the question"It's an interesting thought. And its probably easy to be a communist when you're a millionaire heiress | |||
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