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"You can't miss what you've never had... Oh yes you can. " The swedes had the exact same exemption clause to joining the euro as the UK did…. It’s nothing new… only been there for 25 years!!! You make it sound like new news!  | |||
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"You can't miss what you've never had... Oh yes you can. The swedes had the exact same exemption clause to joining the euro as the UK did…. It’s nothing new… only been there for 25 years!!! You make it sound like new news! "The latest poll is news.https://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/sweden-eurozone.50i | |||
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"You can't miss what you've never had... Oh yes you can. The swedes had the exact same exemption clause to joining the euro as the UK did…. It’s nothing new… only been there for 25 years!!! You make it sound like new news! "Nope. I make it sound like their latest rejection of it.  | |||
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"You can't miss what you've never had... Oh yes you can. The swedes had the exact same exemption clause to joining the euro as the UK did…. It’s nothing new… only been there for 25 years!!! You make it sound like new news! The latest poll is news.https://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/sweden-eurozone.50i
"A poll… whoop de do…. They don’t have to join the euro… they never have to if they don’t feel like it! Just as the uk didn’t have to… they have always had the monetary Union exemption as was originally agreed in the Maastricht treaty and updated in the Lisbon treaty! Nothing has changed Just like the uk and several other countries had/have the defence exemption…. | |||
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"You can't miss what you've never had... Oh yes you can. The swedes had the exact same exemption clause to joining the euro as the UK did…. It’s nothing new… only been there for 25 years!!! You make it sound like new news! The latest poll is news.https://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/sweden-eurozone.50i
A poll… whoop de do….
They don’t have to join the euro… they never have to if they don’t feel like it! Just as the uk didn’t have to… they have always had the monetary Union exemption as was originally agreed in the Maastricht treaty and updated in the Lisbon treaty! Nothing has changed
Just like the uk and several other countries had/have the defence exemption…."I never even knew they were even asking the question and like you assumed they had the same deal as what the UK had. However just had a quick look and admit its only a quick look but it seems only Denmark and the UK were are legally exempt from joining the euro. All others including Sweden are expected to join once they meet certain criteria(I'm guessing financial). They can of course put off meeting the criteria but the expectation is that once met they start the process of joining. This apparently is in the treaties as part of the joining the EU application. I stress I only briefly looked but found it confirmed on the EU website introduction to the subject | |||
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"You can't miss what you've never had... Oh yes you can. The swedes had the exact same exemption clause to joining the euro as the UK did…. It’s nothing new… only been there for 25 years!!! You make it sound like new news! The latest poll is news.https://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/sweden-eurozone.50i
A poll… whoop de do….
They don’t have to join the euro… they never have to if they don’t feel like it! Just as the uk didn’t have to… they have always had the monetary Union exemption as was originally agreed in the Maastricht treaty and updated in the Lisbon treaty! Nothing has changed
Just like the uk and several other countries had/have the defence exemption….
I never even knew they were even asking the question and like you assumed they had the same deal as what the UK had. However just had a quick look and admit its only a quick look but it seems only Denmark and the UK were are legally exempt from joining the euro. All others including Sweden are expected to join once they meet certain criteria(I'm guessing financial). They can of course put off meeting the criteria but the expectation is that once met they start the process of joining. This apparently is in the treaties as part of the joining the EU application. I stress I only briefly looked but found it confirmed on the EU website introduction to the subject"One of the criteria is being in the exchange rate mechanism for two years. Of course, if you don't join the ERM... | |||
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"You can't miss what you've never had... Oh yes you can. The swedes had the exact same exemption clause to joining the euro as the UK did…. It’s nothing new… only been there for 25 years!!! You make it sound like new news! The latest poll is news.https://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/sweden-eurozone.50i
A poll… whoop de do….
They don’t have to join the euro… they never have to if they don’t feel like it! Just as the uk didn’t have to… they have always had the monetary Union exemption as was originally agreed in the Maastricht treaty and updated in the Lisbon treaty! Nothing has changed
Just like the uk and several other countries had/have the defence exemption….
I never even knew they were even asking the question and like you assumed they had the same deal as what the UK had. However just had a quick look and admit its only a quick look but it seems only Denmark and the UK were are legally exempt from joining the euro. All others including Sweden are expected to join once they meet certain criteria(I'm guessing financial). They can of course put off meeting the criteria but the expectation is that once met they start the process of joining. This apparently is in the treaties as part of the joining the EU application. I stress I only briefly looked but found it confirmed on the EU website introduction to the subject
One of the criteria is being in the exchange rate mechanism for two years.
Of course, if you don't join the ERM... "Indeed it is. Just read that too. Seems a good fudge to say you have to join but don't have to join the mechanism needed to enable it lol. What does seem clear so far is that Sweden is not exempt legally in the same way as the UK was and Denmark is as was claimed. As said if I had not quickly looked it up I would have guessed the same | |||
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" Indeed it is. Just read that too. Seems a good fudge to say you have to join but don't have to join the mechanism needed to enable it lol. What does seem clear so far is that Sweden is not exempt legally in the same way as the UK was and Denmark is as was claimed. As said if I had not quickly looked it up I would have guessed the same" It may be viewed as bait-and-switch lol. | |||
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" Indeed it is. Just read that too. Seems a good fudge to say you have to join but don't have to join the mechanism needed to enable it lol. What does seem clear so far is that Sweden is not exempt legally in the same way as the UK was and Denmark is as was claimed. As said if I had not quickly looked it up I would have guessed the same It may be viewed as bait-and-switch lol." It a most odd situation making a rule to say you have to join but at the same time saying you don't have to join the ERM which is needed to join. The EU and Sweden also disagree on the first steps where the EU say having the Euro is in the conditions of joining the EU and Sweden say only their people can make that decision. | |||
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" Indeed it is. Just read that too. Seems a good fudge to say you have to join but don't have to join the mechanism needed to enable it lol. What does seem clear so far is that Sweden is not exempt legally in the same way as the UK was and Denmark is as was claimed. As said if I had not quickly looked it up I would have guessed the same It may be viewed as bait-and-switch lol. It a most odd situation making a rule to say you have to join but at the same time saying you don't have to join the ERM which is needed to join. The EU and Sweden also disagree on the first steps where the EU say having the Euro is in the conditions of joining the EU and Sweden say only their people can make that decision." Federalism is always going to be this way. I really had no problem with the EU until the federalist mature of it became so pervasive that you really can't help but see that the direction was just going to be a one-nation-state of unelected rulers. The latest being the European Army . . . | |||
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" Indeed it is. Just read that too. Seems a good fudge to say you have to join but don't have to join the mechanism needed to enable it lol. What does seem clear so far is that Sweden is not exempt legally in the same way as the UK was and Denmark is as was claimed. As said if I had not quickly looked it up I would have guessed the same It may be viewed as bait-and-switch lol. It a most odd situation making a rule to say you have to join but at the same time saying you don't have to join the ERM which is needed to join. The EU and Sweden also disagree on the first steps where the EU say having the Euro is in the conditions of joining the EU and Sweden say only their people can make that decision. Federalism is always going to be this way. I really had no problem with the EU until the federalist mature of it became so pervasive that you really can't help but see that the direction was just going to be a one-nation-state of unelected rulers. The latest being the European Army . . . " Except there is no push by the EU to make Sweden do anything. The UK also had huge carve-outs. It always seemed an odd position to be terribly upset about something that you don't have to do. With the current agreement we now seem to be Teri ly upset at having to do things that we explicitly have agreed to do. All very confusing. | |||
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"Maybe people aren't attaching an 'emotive' to their discussion. Perhaps they are just discussing. "You must know in these days of social media you cant just discuss something, if someone doesn't like your point of view you must be outraged, upset or any other kind of emotion its all part of the modern cancel culture. | |||
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"I wonder if that tory is still refusing to watch england because they are taking the knee?" Nothing to do with the thread yet again but go on i will bite what tory? | |||
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"Maybe people aren't attaching an 'emotive' to their discussion. Perhaps they are just discussing. You must know in these days of social media you cant just discuss something, if someone doesn't like your point of view you must be outraged, upset or any other kind of emotion its all part of the modern cancel culture. "Ah, claiming objectivity
Nobody is demanding that Sweden join the Euro despite the legal "requirement".
Correct?
The UK did have exclusions in areas of closer despite that bei g in the Treaty of Rome which we agreed to.
Correct?
There is a dispute over the current Brexit treaty which we did, explicitly, negotiate and agree to.
Correct?
So why would "federalism" be a concern for the UK if it wasn't happening to us?
The word "concern" was substituted with the phrase "terribly upset" as a turn of phrase. Thi represented the strength of feeling which was generated and has lasted with Brexit.
If there is a belief that nobody was or is "terribly upset" by ay of this then that is an interesting position, but you are welcome to it.
Not sure why the use of words ends up being the point of a thread when the intent is perfectly clear | |||
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"Search Lee Anderson MP" Right that ex labour councillor who defected to the Tories obviously a man of principles.  | |||
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"Maybe people aren't attaching an 'emotive' to their discussion. Perhaps they are just discussing. You must know in these days of social media you cant just discuss something, if someone doesn't like your point of view you must be outraged, upset or any other kind of emotion its all part of the modern cancel culture.
Ah, claiming objectivity
Nobody is demanding that Sweden join the Euro despite the legal "requirement".
Correct?
The UK did have exclusions in areas of closer despite that bei g in the Treaty of Rome which we agreed to.
Correct?
There is a dispute over the current Brexit treaty which we did, explicitly, negotiate and agree to.
Correct?
So why would "federalism" be a concern for the UK if it wasn't happening to us?
The word "concern" was substituted with the phrase "terribly upset" as a turn of phrase. Thi represented the strength of feeling which was generated and has lasted with Brexit.
If there is a belief that nobody was or is "terribly upset" by ay of this then that is an interesting position, but you are welcome to it.
Not sure why the use of words ends up being the point of a thread when the intent is perfectly clear "Federalsism was what we had when we were members of the EU. If you want to impose rules that we cannot talk about it now that we are out of it and be called terribly upset by what we don't now have, then you may find that you are acting in a federalist way yourself, lol. Take your emotive response away from the discussion by assuming and stating that others are upset, and you may get more from the 'discussion'. | |||
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"Maybe people aren't attaching an 'emotive' to their discussion. Perhaps they are just discussing. You must know in these days of social media you cant just discuss something, if someone doesn't like your point of view you must be outraged, upset or any other kind of emotion its all part of the modern cancel culture.
Ah, claiming objectivity
Nobody is demanding that Sweden join the Euro despite the legal "requirement".
Correct?
The UK did have exclusions in areas of closer despite that beijng in the Treaty of Rome which we agreed to.
Correct?
There is a dispute over the current Brexit treaty which we did, explicitly, negotiate and agree to.
Correct?
So why would "federalism" be a concern for the UK if it wasn't happening to us?
The word "concern" was substituted with the phrase "terribly upset" as a turn of phrase. Thi represented the strength of feeling which was generated and has lasted with Brexit.
If there is a belief that nobody was or is "terribly upset" by ay of this then that is an interesting position, but you are welcome to it.
Not sure why the use of words ends up being the point of a thread when the intent is perfectly clear
Federalsism was what we had when we were members of the EU. If you want to impose rules that we cannot talk about it now that we are out of it and be called terribly upset by what we don't now have, then you may find that you are acting in a federalist way yourself, lol.
Take your emotive response away from the discussion by assuming and stating that others are upset, and you may get more from the 'discussion'.
"Again, if you believe that there were no strong feelings aroused about Brexit then that is a position that you are welcome to. Implying that my rwspo se was "emotive" although amusing does not really address the actual points made. Sweden has not been required to join the Euro. Discuss. The UK did sign up to the Treaty of Rome and the objective of "ever closer union". The UK negotiated exemptions from that aim, even though we agreed to it. Discuss. The is no mention of "federalism" in any treaty. There were no substantive rules "imposed" upon the UK. Discuss. We negotiated and agreed to a Brexit treaty which we now disagree with. Disuss. Talk about what you like, but I don't actually know what that might be from the "discussion" thus far  | |||
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"Hmmmm you do seem to be getting overly upset and concerned upset by it. lol. " Good gaslighting attempt. Poor ability to discuss anything at all though. "Lol" to you too, with rainbows and unicorns | |||
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" Indeed it is. Just read that too. Seems a good fudge to say you have to join but don't have to join the mechanism needed to enable it lol. What does seem clear so far is that Sweden is not exempt legally in the same way as the UK was and Denmark is as was claimed. As said if I had not quickly looked it up I would have guessed the same It may be viewed as bait-and-switch lol. It a most odd situation making a rule to say you have to join but at the same time saying you don't have to join the ERM which is needed to join. The EU and Sweden also disagree on the first steps where the EU say having the Euro is in the conditions of joining the EU and Sweden say only their people can make that decision. Federalism is always going to be this way. I really had no problem with the EU until the federalist mature of it became so pervasive that you really can't help but see that the direction was just going to be a one-nation-state of unelected rulers. The latest being the European Army . . . " Anyway. As we were discussing - I think that Sweden still have a long way to go on this. Particularly as it's being touted in some quarters that Sweden is deeply suspicious - which is growing - of the European Project. | |||
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" Indeed it is. Just read that too. Seems a good fudge to say you have to join but don't have to join the mechanism needed to enable it lol. What does seem clear so far is that Sweden is not exempt legally in the same way as the UK was and Denmark is as was claimed. As said if I had not quickly looked it up I would have guessed the same It may be viewed as bait-and-switch lol. It a most odd situation making a rule to say you have to join but at the same time saying you don't have to join the ERM which is needed to join. The EU and Sweden also disagree on the first steps where the EU say having the Euro is in the conditions of joining the EU and Sweden say only their people can make that decision. Federalism is always going to be this way. I really had no problem with the EU until the federalist mature of it became so pervasive that you really can't help but see that the direction was just going to be a one-nation-state of unelected rulers. The latest being the European Army . . . Anyway. As we were discussing - I think that Sweden still have a long way to go on this. Particularly as it's being touted in some quarters that Sweden is deeply suspicious - which is growing - of the European Project. " It seems to be an on going thing as according to the treaty they signed they are obliged to adopt the Euro.several other countries signed the same thing and went ahead with changing to the Euro. Trouble is Sweden has several ways to avoid it including just refusing to join the ERM. The problem for the EU is they have no way of forcing them as far as I can see. I guess they could expel them from the EU but not sure how that will look to others. Denmark are ok as they are the only country left in the EU that is not obliged in any way (same as the UK was) It's a complicated and slightly odd situation that I understand very little. | |||
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