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By *oo hot OP   Couple
over a year ago

North West

What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?"

I'm sure you know what that is about but no one else has a clue

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

I'm sure you know what that is about but no one else has a clue "

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

I'm sure you know what that is about but no one else has a clue

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer

"

Thanks can guess what it's about now.

Were the fans booing the players per se or the political statements made by them, so it's ok for them to make a statement on blm by kneeling but not ok for the fans to show their disapproval of putting politics in sport, you either have free speech on both sides of the debate or on neither.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

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By *ERRIBLE TWOSUMCouple
over a year ago

Suck mammys strap-on


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative"
doesn't take much for the racist card to be thrown around these days does it

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

I'm sure you know what that is about but no one else has a clue

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer

Thanks can guess what it's about now.

Were the fans booing the players per se or the political statements made by them, so it's ok for them to make a statement on blm by kneeling but not ok for the fans to show their disapproval of putting politics in sport, you either have free speech on both sides of the debate or on neither.

"

Rather than guessing (wrongly) to suit your narrative. Why not read it?

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By *oo hot OP   Couple
over a year ago

North West


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

I'm sure you know what that is about but no one else has a clue

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer

Thanks can guess what it's about now.

Were the fans booing the players per se or the political statements made by them, so it's ok for them to make a statement on blm by kneeling but not ok for the fans to show their disapproval of putting politics in sport, you either have free speech on both sides of the debate or on neither."

Treating people fairly and equally irrespective of race, gender or anything else is just about human decency and guck all to do with politics.

The players have said repeatedly why they make this 10-second gesture before the game and it is nothing to do the politics.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

I'm sure you know what that is about but no one else has a clue

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer

Thanks can guess what it's about now.

Were the fans booing the players per se or the political statements made by them, so it's ok for them to make a statement on blm by kneeling but not ok for the fans to show their disapproval of putting politics in sport, you either have free speech on both sides of the debate or on neither.

Treating people fairly and equally irrespective of race, gender or anything else is just about human decency and guck all to do with politics.

The players have said repeatedly why they make this 10-second gesture before the game and it is nothing to do the politics."

That's their opinion to which they are 100% entitled, those booing assumably think it is a political gesture, an opinion they are also 100% entitled too.

Opinions are free and for everyone, you or me dont get to say who can have one. Simple question for you , are people allowed to have a different opinion to you ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

there's an irony in so-called supporters of the england team making a political statement of opposition by booing the team as they make a moral non-political statement at the start of a match. it would be better if the racist booers stayed away from the game rather than disrupt proceedings with their racist ideology and let the supporters support their team without any racist political interferencxe.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?"

It isnt the racial aspect that's the problem, I'm 100% against discrimination, the issue is blm is a political organisation, their aims are in the public domain that is why imvho the players shouldn't support blm, others are fully entitled to disagree but as we live in a free country with freedom of speech those that say kneeling is political statement are allowed to boo the kneeling. Perhaps we could all agree that a new symbol such as a hand on heart to support inclusion and equality could be used,no politics involved and both sides could be happy.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

if people profess to be non-racist then they would applaud the non-political act of sportspeople taking the knee at the start of a game

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

I'm sure you know what that is about but no one else has a clue

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer

Thanks can guess what it's about now.

Were the fans booing the players per se or the political statements made by them, so it's ok for them to make a statement on blm by kneeling but not ok for the fans to show their disapproval of putting politics in sport, you either have free speech on both sides of the debate or on neither.

Rather than guessing (wrongly) to suit your narrative. Why not read it?"

This.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrativedoesn't take much for the racist card to be thrown around these days does it "

Nope

It normally happens when someone doesn't thing isreal are a great bunch of lads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

It isnt the racial aspect that's the problem, I'm 100% against discrimination, the issue is blm is a political organisation, their aims are in the public domain that is why imvho the players shouldn't support blm, others are fully entitled to disagree but as we live in a free country with freedom of speech those that say kneeling is political statement are allowed to boo the kneeling. Perhaps we could all agree that a new symbol such as a hand on heart to support inclusion and equality could be used,no politics involved and both sides could be happy."

I don’t think the issue is the gesture because historically

1. 1968 Tommie Smith and Juan Carlos raised their fist. They were expelled from the olympics

2a. In April 2016 Colin Kapernick tweeted about Philando Castile, and was told to stay out of it

2b. In July 2016 Colin Kapernick sat down during the anthem. He was told this was disrespectful to the military.

2c. In August 2016 he began to kneel as advised by former green beret Nate Boyer, again people said he didn’t know what he was talking about

3. In June 2020 footballers decided to tale a knee in solidarity with fighting racial oppression.

So after all different types of talk and gestures, when is society going to stop telling people that they should not complain about their oppression, and their gesture must be a friendly one?

After all the various talks and gestures, maybe the issue isn’t with the talk or the gesture, but in-fact with people peacefully demonstrating against their oppression?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

yet to some the pro-racist political act of booing is merely a benign expression of personal racist opinion.

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

I hate what Southgate wrote.

It’s so well-written that it makes me want England to do well in the tournament .

I am joking btw - I would happily see England win it, if here in a different footballing country, we wouldn’t have to endure the celebrations going on for 900 years too,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

It isnt the racial aspect that's the problem, I'm 100% against discrimination, the issue is blm is a political organisation, their aims are in the public domain that is why imvho the players shouldn't support blm, others are fully entitled to disagree but as we live in a free country with freedom of speech those that say kneeling is political statement are allowed to boo the kneeling. Perhaps we could all agree that a new symbol such as a hand on heart to support inclusion and equality could be used,no politics involved and both sides could be happy.

I don’t think the issue is the gesture because historically

1. 1968 Tommie Smith and Juan Carlos raised their fist. They were expelled from the olympics

2a. In April 2016 Colin Kapernick tweeted about Philando Castile, and was told to stay out of it

2b. In July 2016 Colin Kapernick sat down during the anthem. He was told this was disrespectful to the military.

2c. In August 2016 he began to kneel as advised by former green beret Nate Boyer, again people said he didn’t know what he was talking about

3. In June 2020 footballers decided to tale a knee in solidarity with fighting racial oppression.

So after all different types of talk and gestures, when is society going to stop telling people that they should not complain about their oppression, and their gesture must be a friendly one?

After all the various talks and gestures, maybe the issue isn’t with the talk or the gesture, but in-fact with people peacefully demonstrating against their oppression?"

Then why does all these demonstrations and gestures only matter when there is elections. Surely every election divides people. The divide and conquer technique. Odd

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By *oo hot OP   Couple
over a year ago

North West


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

I'm sure you know what that is about but no one else has a clue

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer

Thanks can guess what it's about now.

Were the fans booing the players per se or the political statements made by them, so it's ok for them to make a statement on blm by kneeling but not ok for the fans to show their disapproval of putting politics in sport, you either have free speech on both sides of the debate or on neither.

Treating people fairly and equally irrespective of race, gender or anything else is just about human decency and guck all to do with politics.

The players have said repeatedly why they make this 10-second gesture before the game and it is nothing to do the politics.

That's their opinion to which they are 100% entitled, those booing assumably think it is a political gesture, an opinion they are also 100% entitled too.

Opinions are free and for everyone, you or me dont get to say who can have one. Simple question for you , are people allowed to have a different opinion to you ? "

Wow.

Just take a minute to read what you have said...

The players are not giving an opinion as to why they are taking the knee. They have told us multiple times exactly the reason they are doing it. To protest against racism and intolerance in football.

You however choose to think that they must be lying because you know what they are really taking the knee about. Really???

You were partly right - it is just an opinion, your opinion. And your opinion does not fit what the players have said on multiple occasions. Lying toe rags aren’t they huh???

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney


"I hate what Southgate wrote.

It’s so well-written that it makes me want England to do well in the tournament .

I am joking btw - I would happily see England win it, if here in a different footballing country, we wouldn’t have to endure the celebrations going on for 900 years too,"

cefnogwyr pêl-droed cymru am annibyniaeth .... peidiwch â mynd â mi adref

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Then why does all these demonstrations and gestures only matter when there is elections. Surely every election divides people. The divide and conquer technique. Odd"

If you consider talking about racial oppression as division, maybe divisive then maybe you are part of the problem? Because this is a topic that should unify everyone.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


" "So there it is then. Taking the knee is purely a gesture of solidarity, against racism. And anyone booing it is simply ignorant. Except. Hang on just a moment. Could there possibly be slightly more to it than that? After all, Millwall – not a team noted for its social justice warriors – booed players taking the knee at a match, then cheered when players linked arms and held up a banner against racism at the next game.

Why would racists, boneheads, and people without compassion boo one gesture, then cheer another with the same meaning?" "

Maybe one way to test this now is to ask the Scotland players if they would be happy to express their stand against racism by linking arms, and then gauge the reaction by the fans to their gesture?

At the moment Scotland are still deciding if they will take the knee.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Then why does all these demonstrations and gestures only matter when there is elections. Surely every election divides people. The divide and conquer technique. Odd

If you consider talking about racial oppression as division, maybe divisive then maybe you are part of the problem? Because this is a topic that should unify everyone."

Exactly but are we no we are not. Is there division in societies ?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

I'm sure you know what that is about but no one else has a clue

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer

Thanks can guess what it's about now.

Were the fans booing the players per se or the political statements made by them, so it's ok for them to make a statement on blm by kneeling but not ok for the fans to show their disapproval of putting politics in sport, you either have free speech on both sides of the debate or on neither.

Treating people fairly and equally irrespective of race, gender or anything else is just about human decency and guck all to do with politics.

The players have said repeatedly why they make this 10-second gesture before the game and it is nothing to do the politics.

That's their opinion to which they are 100% entitled, those booing assumably think it is a political gesture, an opinion they are also 100% entitled too.

Opinions are free and for everyone, you or me dont get to say who can have one. Simple question for you , are people allowed to have a different opinion to you ?

Wow.

Just take a minute to read what you have said...

The players are not giving an opinion as to why they are taking the knee. They have told us multiple times exactly the reason they are doing it. To protest against racism and intolerance in football.

You however choose to think that they must be lying because you know what they are really taking the knee about. Really???

You were partly right - it is just an opinion, your opinion. And your opinion does not fit what the players have said on multiple occasions. Lying toe rags aren’t they huh???"

Perhaps YOU should read what I wrote.

The footballers are of the opinion that taking the knee is a non political gesture in support of anti racism, there are many who are of the opinion they are mistaken and that it is a political gesture, both are equally valid and arguments can be made for each view, in a free country all are allowed to have an opinion, just because you and I have a differnce over this doesnt make either right or wrong, where we differ is I accept both views you only want yours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?"

Gareth Southgate and the England team have decided as a group to continue to take the knee, the vast majority of the fans will applaud or accept this decision . There is a tiny minority of people who will boo which just shows they have no respect for the England team

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

I'm sure you know what that is about but no one else has a clue

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer

Thanks can guess what it's about now.

Were the fans booing the players per se or the political statements made by them, so it's ok for them to make a statement on blm by kneeling but not ok for the fans to show their disapproval of putting politics in sport, you either have free speech on both sides of the debate or on neither.

Treating people fairly and equally irrespective of race, gender or anything else is just about human decency and guck all to do with politics.

The players have said repeatedly why they make this 10-second gesture before the game and it is nothing to do the politics.

That's their opinion to which they are 100% entitled, those booing assumably think it is a political gesture, an opinion they are also 100% entitled too.

Opinions are free and for everyone, you or me dont get to say who can have one. Simple question for you , are people allowed to have a different opinion to you ?

Wow.

Just take a minute to read what you have said...

The players are not giving an opinion as to why they are taking the knee. They have told us multiple times exactly the reason they are doing it. To protest against racism and intolerance in football.

You however choose to think that they must be lying because you know what they are really taking the knee about. Really???

You were partly right - it is just an opinion, your opinion. And your opinion does not fit what the players have said on multiple occasions. Lying toe rags aren’t they huh???

Perhaps YOU should read what I wrote.

The footballers are of the opinion that taking the knee is a non political gesture in support of anti racism, there are many who are of the opinion they are mistaken and that it is a political gesture, both are equally valid and arguments can be made for each view, in a free country all are allowed to have an opinion, just because you and I have a differnce over this doesnt make either right or wrong, where we differ is I accept both views you only want yours. "

The people who are booing are not respecting the decision made by the England team,

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By *oo hot OP   Couple
over a year ago

North West

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By *oo hot OP   Couple
over a year ago

North West


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

I'm sure you know what that is about but no one else has a clue

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer

Thanks can guess what it's about now.

Were the fans booing the players per se or the political statements made by them, so it's ok for them to make a statement on blm by kneeling but not ok for the fans to show their disapproval of putting politics in sport, you either have free speech on both sides of the debate or on neither.

Treating people fairly and equally irrespective of race, gender or anything else is just about human decency and guck all to do with politics.

The players have said repeatedly why they make this 10-second gesture before the game and it is nothing to do the politics.

That's their opinion to which they are 100% entitled, those booing assumably think it is a political gesture, an opinion they are also 100% entitled too.

Opinions are free and for everyone, you or me dont get to say who can have one. Simple question for you , are people allowed to have a different opinion to you ?

Wow.

Just take a minute to read what you have said...

The players are not giving an opinion as to why they are taking the knee. They have told us multiple times exactly the reason they are doing it. To protest against racism and intolerance in football.

You however choose to think that they must be lying because you know what they are really taking the knee about. Really???

You were partly right - it is just an opinion, your opinion. And your opinion does not fit what the players have said on multiple occasions. Lying toe rags aren’t they huh???

Perhaps YOU should read what I wrote.

The footballers are of the opinion that taking the knee is a non political gesture in support of anti racism, there are many who are of the opinion they are mistaken and that it is a political gesture, both are equally valid and arguments can be made for each view, in a free country all are allowed to have an opinion, just because you and I have a differnce over this doesnt make either right or wrong, where we differ is I accept both views you only want yours. "

How is equality, fairness and tolerance political?

Did you only hear about the knee because of BLM? That’s the issue here I think. You don’t realise that taking the knee has been a gesture made by people who just want to be treated equally and has been going on for decades. Just because BLM have adopted the gesture, it does not diminish or take away its meaning. It is like saying that anyone who gives two thumbs up gestures is a Trump supporter.

If you think that racial equality, tolerance and decency are political issues then you are wrong. If you only woke up in the last 12 months and so assume that taking the knee is only about BLM, you are wrong about that too.

If the players explicitly state that their gesture is non political and is only about highlighting the issues of racism and intolerance in sport and you choose the disbelieve them, you are wrong again

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?"

Because said movement is a hard left anarchist movement who (among other things) has a policy to defund the police and it's about as transparent as a bowl of custard.

I approve of BLM as a statement but will never support the movement.

And you can like it or lump it.

As long as the lumps are not in the custard of course.

Oh BTW. According to the Guardian I notice that apple pie is now deemed to be racist, especially when photographed on gingham cloth.

You really couldn't make this shit up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

Because said movement is a hard left anarchist movement who (among other things) has a policy to defund the police and it's about as transparent as a bowl of custard.

I approve of BLM as a statement but will never support the movement.

And you can like it or lump it.

As long as the lumps are not in the custard of course.

Oh BTW. According to the Guardian I notice that apple pie is now deemed to be racist, especially when photographed on gingham cloth.

You really couldn't make this shit up."

You did just make that up

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff


"I hate what Southgate wrote.

It’s so well-written that it makes me want England to do well in the tournament .

I am joking btw - I would happily see England win it, if here in a different footballing country, we wouldn’t have to endure the celebrations going on for 900 years too,

cefnogwyr pêl-droed cymru am annibyniaeth .... peidiwch â mynd â mi adref "

Da iawn - cefnogwr o y tim eto, a mae’n diddordeb gyda fi yn annibyniaeth .

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

Gareth Southgate and the England team have decided as a group to continue to take the knee, the vast majority of the fans will applaud or accept this decision . There is a tiny minority of people who will boo which just shows they have no respect for the England team "

Not surprisingly... there is a poll

YouGov polled Premier League fans on players taking the knee:

49% approved

41% disapproved

This isn't an emphatic endorsement of the gesture, and wouldn't support the statement that there is only a tiny minority who disagree with the use of the gesture.

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"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

Gareth Southgate and the England team have decided as a group to continue to take the knee, the vast majority of the fans will applaud or accept this decision . There is a tiny minority of people who will boo which just shows they have no respect for the England team

Not surprisingly... there is a poll

YouGov polled Premier League fans on players taking the knee:

49% approved

41% disapproved

This isn't an emphatic endorsement of the gesture, and wouldn't support the statement that there is only a tiny minority who disagree with the use of the gesture."

Do you think the 41% of those who disapproved would boo ? Or do you think the majority of them would accept and respect the decision of the England team?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

Because said movement is a hard left anarchist movement who (among other things) has a policy to defund the police and it's about as transparent as a bowl of custard.

I approve of BLM as a statement but will never support the movement.

And you can like it or lump it.

As long as the lumps are not in the custard of course.

Oh BTW. According to the Guardian I notice that apple pie is now deemed to be racist, especially when photographed on gingham cloth.

You really couldn't make this shit up.

You did just make that up "

Raj Patel - "Food injustice has deep roots: let’s start with America’s apple pie"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

Because said movement is a hard left anarchist movement who (among other things) has a policy to defund the police and it's about as transparent as a bowl of custard.

I approve of BLM as a statement but will never support the movement.

And you can like it or lump it.

As long as the lumps are not in the custard of course.

Oh BTW. According to the Guardian I notice that apple pie is now deemed to be racist, especially when photographed on gingham cloth.

You really couldn't make this shit up.

You did just make that up

Raj Patel - "Food injustice has deep roots: let’s start with America’s apple pie""

Where did he say ‘Apple pie is racist ‘ ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

Because said movement is a hard left anarchist movement who (among other things) has a policy to defund the police and it's about as transparent as a bowl of custard.

I approve of BLM as a statement but will never support the movement.

And you can like it or lump it.

As long as the lumps are not in the custard of course.

Oh BTW. According to the Guardian I notice that apple pie is now deemed to be racist, especially when photographed on gingham cloth.

You really couldn't make this shit up.

You did just make that up

Raj Patel - "Food injustice has deep roots: let’s start with America’s apple pie"

Where did he say ‘Apple pie is racist ‘ ? "

It's a metaphor our values. Not a food meaning.

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By *ockdownerMan
over a year ago

Preston


"

The players have said repeatedly why they make this 10-second gesture before the game and it is nothing to do the politics.

That's their opinion to which they are 100% entitled, those booing assumably think it is a political gesture, an opinion they are also 100% entitled too.

"

That's such a ridiculous statement.

If you walked into a room and somebody was kneeling down and you ask why are they kneeling,they then tell you why they are kneeling but you think you'd be 100% entitled to disagree with them and in return you tell them why they are kneeling

Very odd opinion

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

Because said movement is a hard left anarchist movement who (among other things) has a policy to defund the police and it's about as transparent as a bowl of custard.

I approve of BLM as a statement but will never support the movement.

And you can like it or lump it.

As long as the lumps are not in the custard of course.

Oh BTW. According to the Guardian I notice that apple pie is now deemed to be racist, especially when photographed on gingham cloth.

You really couldn't make this shit up.

You did just make that up "

Nope Guardian columnist Raj Patel wrote it around a month ago.

He thinks that apple pie was born from sl*very and colonialism.

Be careful where you pour that custard.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

if the so-called supporters continue their racist politcal demonstration of booing the players, then they should be banned from all football matches.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

Because said movement is a hard left anarchist movement who (among other things) has a policy to defund the police and it's about as transparent as a bowl of custard.

I approve of BLM as a statement but will never support the movement.

And you can like it or lump it.

As long as the lumps are not in the custard of course.

Oh BTW. According to the Guardian I notice that apple pie is now deemed to be racist, especially when photographed on gingham cloth.

You really couldn't make this shit up.

You did just make that up

Nope Guardian columnist Raj Patel wrote it around a month ago.

He thinks that apple pie was born from sl*very and colonialism.

Be careful where you pour that custard. "

Where did he say that ‘Apple pie is racist ‘ ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"if the so-called supporters continue their racist politcal demonstration of booing the players, then they should be banned from all football matches."

I agree, the manager and players have made a group decision, they should show some respect and accept it

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

after over a year of covid you are at the ground to support the team ... if you can't bring yourself to do that then don't take other peoples oppotunity of supporting the team by pretending to be a supporter.

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over a year ago


"after over a year of covid you are at the ground to support the team ... if you can't bring yourself to do that then don't take other peoples oppotunity of supporting the team by pretending to be a supporter. "

Exactly, the people at the matches are very lucky, booing won’t help the team , pathetic really

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes


"after over a year of covid you are at the ground to support the team ... if you can't bring yourself to do that then don't take other peoples oppotunity of supporting the team by pretending to be a supporter.

Exactly, the people at the matches are very lucky, booing won’t help the team , pathetic really "
It’s not pathetic,it’s their choice which they are fully entitled to

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Funny isnt it?

Hard left (apparently)is anathema but hard right is acceptable.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"after over a year of covid you are at the ground to support the team ... if you can't bring yourself to do that then don't take other peoples oppotunity of supporting the team by pretending to be a supporter.

Exactly, the people at the matches are very lucky, booing won’t help the team , pathetic really It’s not pathetic,it’s their choice which they are fully entitled to"

And its choice to label the racists

Everyone is happy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"after over a year of covid you are at the ground to support the team ... if you can't bring yourself to do that then don't take other peoples oppotunity of supporting the team by pretending to be a supporter.

Exactly, the people at the matches are very lucky, booing won’t help the team , pathetic really It’s not pathetic,it’s their choice which they are fully entitled to"

It’s pathetic, support the team

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over a year ago


"after over a year of covid you are at the ground to support the team ... if you can't bring yourself to do that then don't take other peoples oppotunity of supporting the team by pretending to be a supporter.

Exactly, the people at the matches are very lucky, booing won’t help the team , pathetic really It’s not pathetic,it’s their choice which they are fully entitled to

And its choice to label the racists

Everyone is happy

"

Exactly, not everyone who is booing is racist but every racist will be booing

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

let real supporters into the ground and ban the far-right racist booers and their displays of racist politics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

It isnt the racial aspect that's the problem, I'm 100% against discrimination, the issue is blm is a political organisation, their aims are in the public domain that is why imvho the players shouldn't support blm, others are fully entitled to disagree but as we live in a free country with freedom of speech those that say kneeling is political statement are allowed to boo the kneeling. Perhaps we could all agree that a new symbol such as a hand on heart to support inclusion and equality could be used,no politics involved and both sides could be happy."

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

everyone will be happy when the racist booers have fucked off and stopped going to the ground just to disrupt the games with their displays of racist politics and let the real supporters get on with supporting their team whilst enjoying football

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Any thoughts on the racist abuse John Barnes has been receiving today following an interview he was part of on Radio5Live?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

It isnt the racial aspect that's the problem, I'm 100% against discrimination, the issue is blm is a political organisation, their aims are in the public domain that is why imvho the players shouldn't support blm, others are fully entitled to disagree but as we live in a free country with freedom of speech those that say kneeling is political statement are allowed to boo the kneeling. Perhaps we could all agree that a new symbol such as a hand on heart to support inclusion and equality could be used,no politics involved and both sides could be happy.

I don’t think the issue is the gesture because historically

1. 1968 Tommie Smith and Juan Carlos raised their fist. They were expelled from the olympics

2a. In April 2016 Colin Kapernick tweeted about Philando Castile, and was told to stay out of it

2b. In July 2016 Colin Kapernick sat down during the anthem. He was told this was disrespectful to the military.

2c. In August 2016 he began to kneel as advised by former green beret Nate Boyer, again people said he didn’t know what he was talking about

3. In June 2020 footballers decided to tale a knee in solidarity with fighting racial oppression.

So after all different types of talk and gestures, when is society going to stop telling people that they should not complain about their oppression, and their gesture must be a friendly one?

After all the various talks and gestures, maybe the issue isn’t with the talk or the gesture, but in-fact with people peacefully demonstrating against their oppression?

Then why does all these demonstrations and gestures only matter when there is elections. Surely every election divides people. The divide and conquer technique. Odd"

This is about the Euros .

Something the North American continent aret

Involved in .

Please try not to interupt .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A Fan who booed v James O'Brien .

Well worth a watch

https://youtu.be/izs-g-cQU-o

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

It isnt the racial aspect that's the problem, I'm 100% against discrimination, the issue is blm is a political organisation, their aims are in the public domain that is why imvho the players shouldn't support blm, others are fully entitled to disagree but as we live in a free country with freedom of speech those that say kneeling is political statement are allowed to boo the kneeling. Perhaps we could all agree that a new symbol such as a hand on heart to support inclusion and equality could be used,no politics involved and both sides could be happy.

I don’t think the issue is the gesture because historically

1. 1968 Tommie Smith and Juan Carlos raised their fist. They were expelled from the olympics

2a. In April 2016 Colin Kapernick tweeted about Philando Castile, and was told to stay out of it

2b. In July 2016 Colin Kapernick sat down during the anthem. He was told this was disrespectful to the military.

2c. In August 2016 he began to kneel as advised by former green beret Nate Boyer, again people said he didn’t know what he was talking about

3. In June 2020 footballers decided to tale a knee in solidarity with fighting racial oppression.

So after all different types of talk and gestures, when is society going to stop telling people that they should not complain about their oppression, and their gesture must be a friendly one?

After all the various talks and gestures, maybe the issue isn’t with the talk or the gesture, but in-fact with people peacefully demonstrating against their oppression?

Then why does all these demonstrations and gestures only matter when there is elections. Surely every election divides people. The divide and conquer technique. Odd

This is about the Euros .

Something the North American continent aret

Involved in .

Please try not to interupt ."

Colin Kaepernick it started there unless Manchester united recruited him as a a QB.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Any thoughts on the racist abuse John Barnes has been receiving today following an interview he was part of on Radio5Live?

"

Barnes is also extremely eloquent on the subject and recieved shocking abuse in his day

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"A Fan who booed v James O'Brien .

Well worth a watch

https://youtu.be/izs-g-cQU-o

"

I dont think he thought that call through

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By *oo hot OP   Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

It isnt the racial aspect that's the problem, I'm 100% against discrimination, the issue is blm is a political organisation, their aims are in the public domain that is why imvho the players shouldn't support blm, others are fully entitled to disagree but as we live in a free country with freedom of speech those that say kneeling is political statement are allowed to boo the kneeling. Perhaps we could all agree that a new symbol such as a hand on heart to support inclusion and equality could be used,no politics involved and both sides could be happy.

I don’t think the issue is the gesture because historically

1. 1968 Tommie Smith and Juan Carlos raised their fist. They were expelled from the olympics

2a. In April 2016 Colin Kapernick tweeted about Philando Castile, and was told to stay out of it

2b. In July 2016 Colin Kapernick sat down during the anthem. He was told this was disrespectful to the military.

2c. In August 2016 he began to kneel as advised by former green beret Nate Boyer, again people said he didn’t know what he was talking about

3. In June 2020 footballers decided to tale a knee in solidarity with fighting racial oppression.

So after all different types of talk and gestures, when is society going to stop telling people that they should not complain about their oppression, and their gesture must be a friendly one?

After all the various talks and gestures, maybe the issue isn’t with the talk or the gesture, but in-fact with people peacefully demonstrating against their oppression?

Then why does all these demonstrations and gestures only matter when there is elections. Surely every election divides people. The divide and conquer technique. Odd

This is about the Euros .

Something the North American continent aret

Involved in .

Please try not to interupt .

Colin Kaepernick it started there unless Manchester united recruited him as a a QB. "

Martin Luther King was photographed kneeling in 1965, there are probably thousands of other occasions even before that when people kneeled as a protest against racism and oppression.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

It isnt the racial aspect that's the problem, I'm 100% against discrimination, the issue is blm is a political organisation, their aims are in the public domain that is why imvho the players shouldn't support blm, others are fully entitled to disagree but as we live in a free country with freedom of speech those that say kneeling is political statement are allowed to boo the kneeling. Perhaps we could all agree that a new symbol such as a hand on heart to support inclusion and equality could be used,no politics involved and both sides could be happy.

I don’t think the issue is the gesture because historically

1. 1968 Tommie Smith and Juan Carlos raised their fist. They were expelled from the olympics

2a. In April 2016 Colin Kapernick tweeted about Philando Castile, and was told to stay out of it

2b. In July 2016 Colin Kapernick sat down during the anthem. He was told this was disrespectful to the military.

2c. In August 2016 he began to kneel as advised by former green beret Nate Boyer, again people said he didn’t know what he was talking about

3. In June 2020 footballers decided to tale a knee in solidarity with fighting racial oppression.

So after all different types of talk and gestures, when is society going to stop telling people that they should not complain about their oppression, and their gesture must be a friendly one?

After all the various talks and gestures, maybe the issue isn’t with the talk or the gesture, but in-fact with people peacefully demonstrating against their oppression?

Then why does all these demonstrations and gestures only matter when there is elections. Surely every election divides people. The divide and conquer technique. Odd

This is about the Euros .

Something the North American continent aret

Involved in .

Please try not to interupt .

Colin Kaepernick it started there unless Manchester united recruited him as a a QB.

Martin Luther King was photographed kneeling in 1965, there are probably thousands of other occasions even before that when people kneeled as a protest against racism and oppression.

"
if people want to bend there knee good on them and if people don’t want to that’s upto them I don’t get the problem why the fuck boo it’s just embarrassing them selves

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney


" why the fuck boo it’s just embarrassing them selves "

and the country which they pretend to support

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Barnes has had some absolutely abhorrent racist abuse directed his way today

Why?

John Barnes in interview: "We need an alternative to taking the knee... it's raising awareness in a negative way"

So the question for these anti-racists is are the racist comments a result of Barnes disrespecting the players for taking the knee or for Barnes disrespecting the gesture of taking the knee?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

that radio call of the racist booer getting tied in knots with simple logic is indicative of the racism in english football. if you say you are a real supporter then support your team. if not then don't go to the ground, it's that simple

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?"

….. but…. You know… the knee!!!!!

People won’t listen… they will just find an excuse… or some reason to change the narrative!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

It isnt the racial aspect that's the problem, I'm 100% against discrimination, the issue is blm is a political organisation, their aims are in the public domain that is why imvho the players shouldn't support blm, others are fully entitled to disagree but as we live in a free country with freedom of speech those that say kneeling is political statement are allowed to boo the kneeling. Perhaps we could all agree that a new symbol such as a hand on heart to support inclusion and equality could be used,no politics involved and both sides could be happy."

So still not read the open letter then…..

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the racist abuse that rio ferdinand has received both on and offline has been extreme. despite the onslaught his determination to continue to call out the racist booers is to be admired.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"if people profess to be non-racist then they would applaud the non-political act of sportspeople taking the knee at the start of a game "

But……. But…… but…….. the knee!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

It isnt the racial aspect that's the problem, I'm 100% against discrimination, the issue is blm is a political organisation, their aims are in the public domain that is why imvho the players shouldn't support blm, others are fully entitled to disagree but as we live in a free country with freedom of speech those that say kneeling is political statement are allowed to boo the kneeling. Perhaps we could all agree that a new symbol such as a hand on heart to support inclusion and equality could be used,no politics involved and both sides could be happy.

I don’t think the issue is the gesture because historically

1. 1968 Tommie Smith and Juan Carlos raised their fist. They were expelled from the olympics

2a. In April 2016 Colin Kapernick tweeted about Philando Castile, and was told to stay out of it

2b. In July 2016 Colin Kapernick sat down during the anthem. He was told this was disrespectful to the military.

2c. In August 2016 he began to kneel as advised by former green beret Nate Boyer, again people said he didn’t know what he was talking about

3. In June 2020 footballers decided to tale a knee in solidarity with fighting racial oppression.

So after all different types of talk and gestures, when is society going to stop telling people that they should not complain about their oppression, and their gesture must be a friendly one?

After all the various talks and gestures, maybe the issue isn’t with the talk or the gesture, but in-fact with people peacefully demonstrating against their oppression?"

They don’t want a violent action,, they want a peaceful one….

They don’t want a loud action… they want a quiet one…

… but raising a fist is out!

… and taking a knee is out!

… and sitting down is out!

… and writing something is out!

So… they want something that can’t be heard… and can’t be seen…. Hmmm… toughie!

It’s almost “like” they want the status quo… or it’s just so uncomfortable that they don’t want to believe it’s actually happening!

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

Because said movement is a hard left anarchist movement who (among other things) has a policy to defund the police and it's about as transparent as a bowl of custard.

I approve of BLM as a statement but will never support the movement.

And you can like it or lump it.

As long as the lumps are not in the custard of course.

Oh BTW. According to the Guardian I notice that apple pie is now deemed to be racist, especially when photographed on gingham cloth.

You really couldn't make this shit up.

You did just make that up

Nope Guardian columnist Raj Patel wrote it around a month ago.

He thinks that apple pie was born from sl*very and colonialism.

Be careful where you pour that custard.

Where did he say that ‘Apple pie is racist ‘ ? "

So he didn't use the specific word. However if you don't think that he actually meant that then you would have to concede that colonialism and sl*very were not racist.

You can't have it both ways.

With or without custard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A Fan who booed v James O'Brien .

Well worth a watch

https://youtu.be/izs-g-cQU-o

I dont think he thought that call through "

But i spend 60 k & have a right to boo !!!!

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the racist appologists support for the racist booers is just as alarming as the racist booing itself. if you support your nation and team then maybe stop looking like racist bellends by trying to explain away why racist booing at the start of football games is normal or acceptable.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"if the so-called supporters continue their racist politcal demonstration of booing the players, then they should be banned from all football matches."

Don’t even dare UEFA to do something like that… this is the organisation that fined Spain 20k euros for monkey chants by Spanish supporters against English players …. But fined Nicklaus Bendtner 100k for wearing paddy power pants!

Anyway I think the answer to this is a strongly worded 26 person petition… I mean, THAT will hit home!… heck don’t even put “dear sir or madam” on it! That will teach the bastards!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"A Fan who booed v James O'Brien .

Well worth a watch

https://youtu.be/izs-g-cQU-o

I dont think he thought that call through

But i spend 60 k & have a right to boo !!!!

"

He works in the city dont you know?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A Fan who booed v James O'Brien .

Well worth a watch

https://youtu.be/izs-g-cQU-o

I dont think he thought that call through

But i spend 60 k & have a right to boo !!!!

He works in the city dont you know?"

So did Fadje

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes


"Booing per se, isn’t racist. But why are you booing a movement that brings light to racism if you aren’t a racist?

It isnt the racial aspect that's the problem, I'm 100% against discrimination, the issue is blm is a political organisation, their aims are in the public domain that is why imvho the players shouldn't support blm, others are fully entitled to disagree but as we live in a free country with freedom of speech those that say kneeling is political statement are allowed to boo the kneeling. Perhaps we could all agree that a new symbol such as a hand on heart to support inclusion and equality could be used,no politics involved and both sides could be happy.

I don’t think the issue is the gesture because historically

1. 1968 Tommie Smith and Juan Carlos raised their fist. They were expelled from the olympics

2a. In April 2016 Colin Kapernick tweeted about Philando Castile, and was told to stay out of it

2b. In July 2016 Colin Kapernick sat down during the anthem. He was told this was disrespectful to the military.

2c. In August 2016 he began to kneel as advised by former green beret Nate Boyer, again people said he didn’t know what he was talking about

3. In June 2020 footballers decided to tale a knee in solidarity with fighting racial oppression.

So after all different types of talk and gestures, when is society going to stop telling people that they should not complain about their oppression, and their gesture must be a friendly one?

After all the various talks and gestures, maybe the issue isn’t with the talk or the gesture, but in-fact with people peacefully demonstrating against their oppression?

Then why does all these demonstrations and gestures only matter when there is elections. Surely every election divides people. The divide and conquer technique. Odd

This is about the Euros .

Something the North American continent aret

Involved in .

Please try not to interupt .

Colin Kaepernick it started there unless Manchester united recruited him as a a QB.

Martin Luther King was photographed kneeling in 1965, there are probably thousands of other occasions even before that when people kneeled as a protest against racism and oppression.

if people want to bend there knee good on them and if people don’t want to that’s upto them I don’t get the problem why the fuck boo it’s just embarrassing them selves "

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

I'm sure you know what that is about but no one else has a clue

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer

Thanks can guess what it's about now.

Were the fans booing the players per se or the political statements made by them, so it's ok for them to make a statement on blm by kneeling but not ok for the fans to show their disapproval of putting politics in sport, you either have free speech on both sides of the debate or on neither."

free speech is only for people smarter than you that know best... its only for people with good ideas not your rubbish ones.... jeez... before long everyone will have a fucking opinion or an idea! and then what? tell me that ay!!!!

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist? "
on here yes very uncomfortable evening listening to this moron blathering on needless to say declined play

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist? on here yes very uncomfortable evening listening to this moron blathering on needless to say declined play "

Didnt know Farage was on here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist? "

Yup

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist?

Yup

"

I was in the Army for 10 years, so yes, plenty...

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts


"The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist? "

Yes they boo, can't kneel down and hate france!

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts


"The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist?

Yup

I was in the Army for 10 years, so yes, plenty... "

Really! Ive known plenty of forces personnel and no racists!

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"What an incredibly articulate and well thought out, open letter. If only certain columnists and high profile media personalities could adopt such an inclusive message, rather constantly fomenting division.

Very sad though that he has to appeal to the anti-woke agitators to stop booing their own team.

Or do we just have to accept that in modern England, you have to now be a racist, sexist and intolerant to at least some degree?

I'm sure you know what that is about but no one else has a clue

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer

Thanks can guess what it's about now.

Were the fans booing the players per se or the political statements made by them, so it's ok for them to make a statement on blm by kneeling but not ok for the fans to show their disapproval of putting politics in sport, you either have free speech on both sides of the debate or on neither.

free speech is only for people smarter than you that know best... its only for people with good ideas not your rubbish ones.... jeez... before long everyone will have a fucking opinion or an idea! and then what? tell me that ay!!!!

"

Blimey cant believe this thread is still going, the intolerance of the tolerant is rife that's for sure.

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist?

Yup

I was in the Army for 10 years, so yes, plenty...

Really! Ive known plenty of forces personnel and no racists!

"

Obviously "plenty" is not all. It also depends on which regiment/Corp they are from.

For example the household regiments have a much higher ratio!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist?

Yup

I was in the Army for 10 years, so yes, plenty...

Really! Ive known plenty of forces personnel and no racists!

Obviously "plenty" is not all. It also depends on which regiment/Corp they are from.

For example the household regiments have a much higher ratio!

"

Funny I served with plenty of UK troops so did hubby. Everyone was protective of their brothers did not matter what race religion or sexual preference. If the person next to you has got your 6 in a firefight well it's the integrity of that person that matters. Religion race and sexual preference goes out the window in life and death situations.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts


"The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist?

Yup

I was in the Army for 10 years, so yes, plenty...

Really! Ive known plenty of forces personnel and no racists!

Obviously "plenty" is not all. It also depends on which regiment/Corp they are from.

For example the household regiments have a much higher ratio!

"

You know everyone in the Army? Wow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist?

Yup

I was in the Army for 10 years, so yes, plenty...

Really! Ive known plenty of forces personnel and no racists!

Obviously "plenty" is not all. It also depends on which regiment/Corp they are from.

For example the household regiments have a much higher ratio!

You know everyone in the Army? Wow "

Now now I love you calm down you know that a Sargent Major would have stomped the guts out of a racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So funny watching the racists on here trying to defend the racists booing in the stands as though its some kind of principled stance to keep politics out of the stadium. Those very same people will be furious when they hear the England fans singing about "Two World wars and one world cup" and "No surrender to the IRA". The booing will be deafening. Oh wait.... seems its not politics in the stadium they're worried about and they're just racists.

Wearing the poppy is a political statement. I assume you'd all support fans booing that too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So funny watching the racists on here trying to defend the racists booing in the stands as though its some kind of principled stance to keep politics out of the stadium. Those very same people will be furious when they hear the England fans singing about "Two World wars and one world cup" and "No surrender to the IRA". The booing will be deafening. Oh wait.... seems its not politics in the stadium they're worried about and they're just racists.

Wearing the poppy is a political statement. I assume you'd all support fans booing that too?"

Poppies represent rememberance and a peaceful future.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"So funny watching the racists on here trying to defend the racists booing in the stands as though its some kind of principled stance to keep politics out of the stadium. Those very same people will be furious when they hear the England fans singing about "Two World wars and one world cup" and "No surrender to the IRA". The booing will be deafening. Oh wait.... seems its not politics in the stadium they're worried about and they're just racists.

Wearing the poppy is a political statement. I assume you'd all support fans booing that too?

Poppies represent rememberance and a peaceful future. "

But they mean that… to you… and that is the point

Regardless of how many times you are told otherwise… or people shoehorn another narrative to it to fit a purpose…

See… what you by the person doing/wearing said symbol doesn’t matter … you have alternative reasoning and you are right

Now where have I heard that…. Oh… in this thread!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So excuse me when I see someone kneeling just to make a political point during the anthem. I remember all. No racism no sexual preference no religion. People that died for all. But we get labeled as fascists.and racists. I am fine with that it's the coffins comming home with the flag draped over it that matters to me. Coffins and flags all the same color. No race no religion No sexual preference. Just somber and sorrow. But call me a racist I do not know the termanology. They all look the same to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist?

Yup

I was in the Army for 10 years, so yes, plenty...

Really! Ive known plenty of forces personnel and no racists!

Obviously "plenty" is not all. It also depends on which regiment/Corp they are from.

For example the household regiments have a much higher ratio!

Funny I served with plenty of UK troops so did hubby. Everyone was protective of their brothers did not matter what race religion or sexual preference. If the person next to you has got your 6 in a firefight well it's the integrity of that person that matters. Religion race and sexual preference goes out the window in life and death situations."

You Served ?

I'd NEVER HAVE KNOWN .

IF IT WASNT THE MILLIONTH TIME

You'd told us .

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast


"So excuse me when I see someone kneeling just to make a political point during the anthem. I remember all. No racism no sexual preference no religion. People that died for all. But we get labeled as fascists.and racists. I am fine with that it's the coffins comming home with the flag draped over it that matters to me. Coffins and flags all the same color. No race no religion No sexual preference. Just somber and sorrow. But call me a racist I do not know the termanology. They all look the same to me."

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist?

There have been several high profile racist bullying court cases over here.

To pretend racism doesnt exist in the British armed forces is a bit naive

Yup

I was in the Army for 10 years, so yes, plenty...

Really! Ive known plenty of forces personnel and no racists!

Obviously "plenty" is not all. It also depends on which regiment/Corp they are from.

For example the household regiments have a much higher ratio!

Funny I served with plenty of UK troops so did hubby. Everyone was protective of their brothers did not matter what race religion or sexual preference. If the person next to you has got your 6 in a firefight well it's the integrity of that person that matters. Religion race and sexual preference goes out the window in life and death situations."

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"So funny watching the racists on here trying to defend the racists booing in the stands as though its some kind of principled stance to keep politics out of the stadium. Those very same people will be furious when they hear the England fans singing about "Two World wars and one world cup" and "No surrender to the IRA". The booing will be deafening. Oh wait.... seems its not politics in the stadium they're worried about and they're just racists.

Wearing the poppy is a political statement. I assume you'd all support fans booing that too?"

They obvs choose what to offended by..which is highly ironic.

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"The irony of this being debated on a swingers site always makes me smile.

So, if you do not support BLM or if you boo taking the knee, or voted Brexit - you are a racist?

Has anyone ever met a racist?

Yup

I was in the Army for 10 years, so yes, plenty...

Really! Ive known plenty of forces personnel and no racists!

Obviously "plenty" is not all. It also depends on which regiment/Corp they are from.

For example the household regiments have a much higher ratio!

You know everyone in the Army? Wow

Now now I love you calm down you know that a Sargent Major would have stomped the guts out of a racist. "

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/05/i-guarded-royal-palaces-ban-on-black-staff-britains-first-black-guardsman

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice."

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me, taking the knee, whilst it was a powerful statement, I feel like it has now lost that and is seen by many as being mixed up with BLM, making it the political statement many people argue.

However, booing those who choose to take the knee actually has the opposite effect that those booing are trying to gain. If I chose to do something and there was adverse reactions to it, I would do it even more.

So, whilst I don't take the knee and never would. Nor do I wear a poppy. I do believe that it's everyone's right to choose to do so.

That does also mean it's the right of those booing to do so too though. Pointless and ineffective. Making themselves look like fools, but still their right.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"For me, taking the knee, whilst it was a powerful statement, I feel like it has now lost that and is seen by many as being mixed up with BLM, making it the political statement many people argue.

However, booing those who choose to take the knee actually has the opposite effect that those booing are trying to gain. If I chose to do something and there was adverse reactions to it, I would do it even more.

So, whilst I don't take the knee and never would. Nor do I wear a poppy. I do believe that it's everyone's right to choose to do so.

That does also mean it's the right of those booing to do so too though. Pointless and ineffective. Making themselves look like fools, but still their right."

Cant actually disagree with much of that.

If you dont agree with taking the knee for whatever reason, that's your prerogative.

But if you boo an anti racist gesture,which The players want to do,dont expect much sympathy.

As for the political point,international games in particular have always had those nationalistic overtones(remember those whoppers dressed as bomber Harris),and as rightly said before, they have been singing no surrender and 2 world cups for years, and mo one has batted an eye lid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For me, taking the knee, whilst it was a powerful statement, I feel like it has now lost that and is seen by many as being mixed up with BLM, making it the political statement many people argue.

However, booing those who choose to take the knee actually has the opposite effect that those booing are trying to gain. If I chose to do something and there was adverse reactions to it, I would do it even more.

So, whilst I don't take the knee and never would. Nor do I wear a poppy. I do believe that it's everyone's right to choose to do so.

That does also mean it's the right of those booing to do so too though. Pointless and ineffective. Making themselves look like fools, but still their right.

Cant actually disagree with much of that.

If you dont agree with taking the knee for whatever reason, that's your prerogative.

But if you boo an anti racist gesture,which The players want to do,dont expect much sympathy.

As for the political point,international games in particular have always had those nationalistic overtones(remember those whoppers dressed as bomber Harris),and as rightly said before, they have been singing no surrender and 2 world cups for years, and mo one has batted an eye lid."

I'd agree international matches have always had that tone to it. People from every country are nationalistic.

Did you hear the boos in the Hungary vs Ireland match. Much much louder

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"So excuse me when I see someone kneeling just to make a political point during the anthem. I remember all. No racism no sexual preference no religion. People that died for all. But we get labeled as fascists.and racists. I am fine with that it's the coffins comming home with the flag draped over it that matters to me. Coffins and flags all the same color. No race no religion No sexual preference. Just somber and sorrow. But call me a racist I do not know the termanology. They all look the same to me."

But a million times you were told by Colin kaepernick that the gesture (of which there were two.. because originally he just sat at the back for weeks and no one had noticed until one reporter actually did and asked why) was to stand up for police injustice and brutality… and he felt he wasn’t proud enough of the country to stand….

So it was police injustice and brutality… nothing more

You decided not to believe him… you have decided to carry another narrative that never came from him…

That is not on him if you are not listening to what he actually said….

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By *oo hot OP   Couple
over a year ago

North West

I wonder how things might pan out if the gesture was made open for fans to join in? For example, it it were a gesture of “standing up to racism.”

The people who are currently booing would have an opportunity to demonstrate their anti-political AND anti-racist credentials by literally “standing” up to racism along with the players.

I wonder what excuses those who choose to stay seated would give not to join in?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Could be some eye-openers in the Euros.

The Balkan and Eastern European fans aren't too sympathetic to some gestures.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"For me, taking the knee, whilst it was a powerful statement, I feel like it has now lost that and is seen by many as being mixed up with BLM, making it the political statement many people argue.

However, booing those who choose to take the knee actually has the opposite effect that those booing are trying to gain. If I chose to do something and there was adverse reactions to it, I would do it even more.

So, whilst I don't take the knee and never would. Nor do I wear a poppy. I do believe that it's everyone's right to choose to do so.

That does also mean it's the right of those booing to do so too though. Pointless and ineffective. Making themselves look like fools, but still their right.

Cant actually disagree with much of that.

If you dont agree with taking the knee for whatever reason, that's your prerogative.

But if you boo an anti racist gesture,which The players want to do,dont expect much sympathy.

As for the political point,international games in particular have always had those nationalistic overtones(remember those whoppers dressed as bomber Harris),and as rightly said before, they have been singing no surrender and 2 world cups for years, and mo one has batted an eye lid.

I'd agree international matches have always had that tone to it. People from every country are nationalistic.

Did you hear the boos in the Hungary vs Ireland match. Much much louder"

Eastern Europe is probally where we were in the 80s.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue."

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The majority of people in England are conservative and nationalist in outlook and intolerant or deeply suspicious of any kind of protest which questions the society they operate in or seeks to change their thinking or behaviour. This view is reflected in the views of The Daily Mail or The Sun which still represents the most accurate portrayal of the silent majority in the country.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

"

You really are obsessed with the left arent you?

Do they keep you awake at night?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"The majority of people in England are conservative and nationalist in outlook and intolerant or deeply suspicious of any kind of protest which questions the society they operate in or seeks to change their thinking or behaviour. This view is reflected in the views of The Daily Mail or The Sun which still represents the most accurate portrayal of the silent majority in the country. "

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

People died for your freedom

How dare you not wear that poppy..you must be deranged.

People just dont do irony

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

"

Sweeping statements and prejudice. Isn't that exactly what you are accusing the "deranged left" of?

I think you would need to search very hard to find somewhere in these forums someone saying that wearing a poppy is racist. If there is even one instance of it.

The point being made is that some people interpret wearing of the poppy as being a rather nationalist act, that glorifies war.

Now, as you have pointed out, that is not your intent at all, and is probably not the intent of the majority of wearers.

As has similarly been pointed out the taking of the knee is viewed, by those doing it, as a statement about racism.

For others to then say it is a far-left, marxist act, is just as disingenuous as those saying poppy wearing is glorifying war.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

Sweeping statements and prejudice. Isn't that exactly what you are accusing the "deranged left" of?

I think you would need to search very hard to find somewhere in these forums someone saying that wearing a poppy is racist. If there is even one instance of it.

The point being made is that some people interpret wearing of the poppy as being a rather nationalist act, that glorifies war.

Now, as you have pointed out, that is not your intent at all, and is probably not the intent of the majority of wearers.

As has similarly been pointed out the taking of the knee is viewed, by those doing it, as a statement about racism.

For others to then say it is a far-left, marxist act, is just as disingenuous as those saying poppy wearing is glorifying war."

Excellently put

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

You really are obsessed with the left arent you?

Do they keep you awake at night?"

Judging by the number of forum posts in this section then obviously not as obsessed as you are about promoting it.

BTW. Have you ever posted anything that is even remotely connected to swinging?

Seems to me that you spend your entire day camped out in the politics section.

Don't worry, you have plenty of time to think about your pithy answer.

I'm off back into the real world now. Breakfast to be eaten then pool to be cleaned.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Would it be churlish to point out at this time it was the marxists and the left who were fighting facism in the 30s in Spain and here against the black shirts,whilst the right saw communism as a much greater evil than facism?

It was also Marxists who made a decisive difference in the war against Hitler.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

You really are obsessed with the left arent you?

Do they keep you awake at night?

Judging by the number of forum posts in this section then obviously not as obsessed as you are about promoting it.

BTW. Have you ever posted anything that is even remotely connected to swinging?

Seems to me that you spend your entire day camped out in the politics section.

Don't worry, you have plenty of time to think about your pithy answer.

I'm off back into the real world now. Breakfast to be eaten then pool to be cleaned. "

I find it much more enjoyable to wind up daily mail readers tbh

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"I wonder how things might pan out if the gesture was made open for fans to join in? For example, it it were a gesture of “standing up to racism.”

The people who are currently booing would have an opportunity to demonstrate their anti-political AND anti-racist credentials by literally “standing” up to racism along with the players.

I wonder what excuses those who choose to stay seated would give not to join in?"
I think you wud see most fans take the knee tbf

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

everything depends on how you want to look at it

poppies glorify war? or are they to remember the people who sacrificed their lives for our freedom?

children are the future? Or future polluters polluting the planet?

if one knee is a positive sign why isnt 2 knees a better sign?

like i said before we clapped the NHS, we all support the NHS but weve all stopped clapping! coz it gets tiresome and we have better things to do....

what you cant spare a minute to clap the NHS, you want people to die? is that it? is it? youre basically a murderer then if you dont clap!

easy to point and throw the nonsense shit....

but the people booing shouldnt because its just not a very nice thing to do...

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

Sweeping statements and prejudice. Isn't that exactly what you are accusing the "deranged left" of?

I think you would need to search very hard to find somewhere in these forums someone saying that wearing a poppy is racist. If there is even one instance of it.

The point being made is that some people interpret wearing of the poppy as being a rather nationalist act, that glorifies war.

Now, as you have pointed out, that is not your intent at all, and is probably not the intent of the majority of wearers.

As has similarly been pointed out the taking of the knee is viewed, by those doing it, as a statement about racism.

For others to then say it is a far-left, marxist act, is just as disingenuous as those saying poppy wearing is glorifying war."

Personally I think anyone that thinks wearing a poppy glorifies war needs to give there head a wobble and maybe educate themselves a little. To wear the poppy is to remember the sacrifice of the fallen not to glorify war in anyway.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

Sweeping statements and prejudice. Isn't that exactly what you are accusing the "deranged left" of?

I think you would need to search very hard to find somewhere in these forums someone saying that wearing a poppy is racist. If there is even one instance of it.

The point being made is that some people interpret wearing of the poppy as being a rather nationalist act, that glorifies war.

Now, as you have pointed out, that is not your intent at all, and is probably not the intent of the majority of wearers.

As has similarly been pointed out the taking of the knee is viewed, by those doing it, as a statement about racism.

For others to then say it is a far-left, marxist act, is just as disingenuous as those saying poppy wearing is glorifying war.

Personally I think anyone that thinks wearing a poppy glorifies war needs to give there head a wobble and maybe educate themselves a little. To wear the poppy is to remember the sacrifice of the fallen not to glorify war in anyway."

Maybe they just have a different opinion?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

It's funny how no one is accusing people of wearing a poppy of anything, certainly not facicts as incorrectly named above

Yet those who choose not to wear one,for whatever reason, are far left nutters,marxists or need to educate themselves.

I don't wear one and I certainly dont need to educate myself.

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech


"It's funny how no one is accusing people of wearing a poppy of anything, certainly not facicts as incorrectly named above

Yet those who choose not to wear one,for whatever reason, are far left nutters,marxists or need to educate themselves.

I don't wear one and I certainly dont need to educate myself."

I never said anything about fascists or anything else Lionel, that must have been someone else. And yes people are entitled to their own opinion of course although I am ashamed to think people feel it glorifies war by wearing one and I would imagine many would be turning in there graves to think that the symbol of wearing a poppy should represent this after the hell that many went through so that we can enjoy the freedoms we have today. The reason I said educate is because if people feel that's what a poppy represents then in my opinion they have got things well and truly twisted. But these are my opinions and each to there own, but I feel sorry for the members of my family that gave there lives in service if thats how some people now feel about it, sad day in my opinion but there you go.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"It's funny how no one is accusing people of wearing a poppy of anything, certainly not facicts as incorrectly named above

Yet those who choose not to wear one,for whatever reason, are far left nutters,marxists or need to educate themselves.

I don't wear one and I certainly dont need to educate myself.

I never said anything about fascists or anything else Lionel, that must have been someone else. And yes people are entitled to their own opinion of course although I am ashamed to think people feel it glorifies war by wearing one and I would imagine many would be turning in there graves to think that the symbol of wearing a poppy should represent this after the hell that many went through so that we can enjoy the freedoms we have today. The reason I said educate is because if people feel that's what a poppy represents then in my opinion they have got things well and truly twisted. But these are my opinions and each to there own, but I feel sorry for the members of my family that gave there lives in service if thats how some people now feel about it, sad day in my opinion but there you go."

Sorry..the fascist shout wasnt aimed at you,it was mentioned early on in the thread.

People should be able to choose to wear a poppy or not.

I dont wear one but I have nothing for respect and sadness for that generation of young men we lost, from all countries.

Sadly expressing this view often results in howls of outrage that you are disrespecting the dead.

And this is where the political aspect comes in.

If you appear on the bbc ,you have to wear one,they even stuck one on Grover from seaseme street.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

And sorry I've got to say,ww1 was nothing to do with protecting freedom.

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech


"And sorry I've got to say,ww1 was nothing to do with protecting freedom."

On this one I agree mate.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"And sorry I've got to say,ww1 was nothing to do with protecting freedom."

I suspect the french thought it was,

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Very fortuitous

https://www.france24.com/en/sport/20210610-uefa-demands-ukraine-remove-political-slogan-from-euro-2020-jersey?ref=tw_i

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Very fortuitous

https://www.france24.com/en/sport/20210610-uefa-demands-ukraine-remove-political-slogan-from-euro-2020-jersey?ref=tw_i

"

Was it a map on their shirt ??

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Yrs, they had a map of the Ukraine on their shirys, and it included Crimeria.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

As both of you appear to have lost the use of your fingers to click the link, and the use your eyes to read it ..... (just joking )....

"UEFA said the map was not a concern given it reflected U.N.-recognised borders, nor was the phrase "Glory to Ukraine".

But it ordered the removal of the second phrase, given the "specific combination of the two slogans is deemed to be clearly political in nature, having historic and militaristic significance", a UEFA statement said."

The second slogan being "Glory to the heroes" printed on the inside of the shirt...

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

They did a similar thing with barca

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Would it be churlish to point out at this time it was the marxists and the left who were fighting facism in the 30s in Spain and here against the black shirts,whilst the right saw communism as a much greater evil than facism?

It was also Marxists who made a decisive difference in the war against Hitler."

Only after Hitler ratted on them.

Before that they were bosom buddies carving up Poland between them.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

You really are obsessed with the left arent you?

Do they keep you awake at night?

Judging by the number of forum posts in this section then obviously not as obsessed as you are about promoting it.

BTW. Have you ever posted anything that is even remotely connected to swinging?

Seems to me that you spend your entire day camped out in the politics section.

Don't worry, you have plenty of time to think about your pithy answer.

I'm off back into the real world now. Breakfast to be eaten then pool to be cleaned.

I find it much more enjoyable to wind up daily mail readers tbh

"

Personally I think it's the other way around.

Every time the Daily Mail is mentioned on here it's the lefties who start frothing at the mouth.

I only occasionally read it but maybe I should do so more often.

I could call it my personal job creation scheme for the lefties on here.

Give them something else to do rather than blathering on about knobbly knees and which flower you should put in your buttonhole.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"It's funny how no one is accusing people of wearing a poppy of anything, certainly not facicts as incorrectly named above

Yet those who choose not to wear one,for whatever reason, are far left nutters,marxists or need to educate themselves.

I don't wear one and I certainly dont need to educate myself."
why am I not suprised that you don’t wear a poppy Lionel pmsl

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Would it be churlish to point out at this time it was the marxists and the left who were fighting facism in the 30s in Spain and here against the black shirts,whilst the right saw communism as a much greater evil than facism?

It was also Marxists who made a decisive difference in the war against Hitler.

Only after Hitler ratted on them.

Before that they were bosom buddies carving up Poland between them."

Well if anyone can give out lectures on colonialism,its the English.

Saying that the upper classes were also partial to a spot of facism, remind me again,how many right wing groups went out to fight franco?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

You really are obsessed with the left arent you?

Do they keep you awake at night?

Judging by the number of forum posts in this section then obviously not as obsessed as you are about promoting it.

BTW. Have you ever posted anything that is even remotely connected to swinging?

Seems to me that you spend your entire day camped out in the politics section.

Don't worry, you have plenty of time to think about your pithy answer.

I'm off back into the real world now. Breakfast to be eaten then pool to be cleaned.

I find it much more enjoyable to wind up daily mail readers tbh

Personally I think it's the other way around.

Every time the Daily Mail is mentioned on here it's the lefties who start frothing at the mouth.

I only occasionally read it but maybe I should do so more often.

I could call it my personal job creation scheme for the lefties on here.

Give them something else to do rather than blathering on about knobbly knees and which flower you should put in your buttonhole. "

You should move back to the UK, we have a Tory government, out of the EU, must sound like utopia to you

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

Sweeping statements and prejudice. Isn't that exactly what you are accusing the "deranged left" of?

I think you would need to search very hard to find somewhere in these forums someone saying that wearing a poppy is racist. If there is even one instance of it.

The point being made is that some people interpret wearing of the poppy as being a rather nationalist act, that glorifies war.

Now, as you have pointed out, that is not your intent at all, and is probably not the intent of the majority of wearers.

As has similarly been pointed out the taking of the knee is viewed, by those doing it, as a statement about racism.

For others to then say it is a far-left, marxist act, is just as disingenuous as those saying poppy wearing is glorifying war.

Personally I think anyone that thinks wearing a poppy glorifies war needs to give there head a wobble and maybe educate themselves a little. To wear the poppy is to remember the sacrifice of the fallen not to glorify war in anyway."

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

You really are obsessed with the left arent you?

Do they keep you awake at night?

Judging by the number of forum posts in this section then obviously not as obsessed as you are about promoting it.

BTW. Have you ever posted anything that is even remotely connected to swinging?

Seems to me that you spend your entire day camped out in the politics section.

Don't worry, you have plenty of time to think about your pithy answer.

I'm off back into the real world now. Breakfast to be eaten then pool to be cleaned.

I find it much more enjoyable to wind up daily mail readers tbh

Personally I think it's the other way around.

Every time the Daily Mail is mentioned on here it's the lefties who start frothing at the mouth.

I only occasionally read it but maybe I should do so more often.

I could call it my personal job creation scheme for the lefties on here.

Give them something else to do rather than blathering on about knobbly knees and which flower you should put in your buttonhole.

You should move back to the UK, we have a Tory government, out of the EU, must sound like utopia to you "
and it must be hell on earth for you fab lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

You really are obsessed with the left arent you?

Do they keep you awake at night?

Judging by the number of forum posts in this section then obviously not as obsessed as you are about promoting it.

BTW. Have you ever posted anything that is even remotely connected to swinging?

Seems to me that you spend your entire day camped out in the politics section.

Don't worry, you have plenty of time to think about your pithy answer.

I'm off back into the real world now. Breakfast to be eaten then pool to be cleaned.

I find it much more enjoyable to wind up daily mail readers tbh

Personally I think it's the other way around.

Every time the Daily Mail is mentioned on here it's the lefties who start frothing at the mouth.

I only occasionally read it but maybe I should do so more often.

I could call it my personal job creation scheme for the lefties on here.

Give them something else to do rather than blathering on about knobbly knees and which flower you should put in your buttonhole.

You should move back to the UK, we have a Tory government, out of the EU, must sound like utopia to you and it must be hell on earth for you fab lol"

Not at all, it is great living in my area,

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Same here lol

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Would it be churlish to point out at this time it was the marxists and the left who were fighting facism in the 30s in Spain and here against the black shirts,whilst the right saw communism as a much greater evil than facism?

It was also Marxists who made a decisive difference in the war against Hitler.

Only after Hitler ratted on them.

Before that they were bosom buddies carving up Poland between them.

Well if anyone can give out lectures on colonialism,its the English.

Saying that the upper classes were also partial to a spot of facism, remind me again,how many right wing groups went out to fight franco?"

I suppose the same as the number of left wingers who went to fight Pol Pot among others.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Would it be churlish to point out at this time it was the marxists and the left who were fighting facism in the 30s in Spain and here against the black shirts,whilst the right saw communism as a much greater evil than facism?

It was also Marxists who made a decisive difference in the war against Hitler.

Only after Hitler ratted on them.

Before that they were bosom buddies carving up Poland between them.

Well if anyone can give out lectures on colonialism,its the English.

Saying that the upper classes were also partial to a spot of facism, remind me again,how many right wing groups went out to fight franco?

I suppose the same as the number of left wingers who went to fight Pol Pot among others. "

That's almost surreally irrelevant to the point being made.

Hats off

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"Would it be churlish to point out at this time it was the marxists and the left who were fighting facism in the 30s in Spain and here against the black shirts,whilst the right saw communism as a much greater evil than facism?

It was also Marxists who made a decisive difference in the war against Hitler.

Only after Hitler ratted on them.

Before that they were bosom buddies carving up Poland between them.

Well if anyone can give out lectures on colonialism,its the English.

Saying that the upper classes were also partial to a spot of facism, remind me again,how many right wing groups went out to fight franco?

I suppose the same as the number of left wingers who went to fight Pol Pot among others.

That's almost surreally irrelevant to the point being made.

Hats off

"

It's an awesome statement.

I am assuming that you have some figures regarding these British left wingers (not even communists) that went to fight alongside Pol Pot?

This is a little snippet of history I have obviously missed.

Unlike the well documented upper class and members of the royalty who fawned over Hitler.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

You really are obsessed with the left arent you?

Do they keep you awake at night?

Judging by the number of forum posts in this section then obviously not as obsessed as you are about promoting it.

BTW. Have you ever posted anything that is even remotely connected to swinging?

Seems to me that you spend your entire day camped out in the politics section.

Don't worry, you have plenty of time to think about your pithy answer.

I'm off back into the real world now. Breakfast to be eaten then pool to be cleaned.

I find it much more enjoyable to wind up daily mail readers tbh

Personally I think it's the other way around.

Every time the Daily Mail is mentioned on here it's the lefties who start frothing at the mouth.

I only occasionally read it but maybe I should do so more often.

I could call it my personal job creation scheme for the lefties on here.

Give them something else to do rather than blathering on about knobbly knees and which flower you should put in your buttonhole.

You should move back to the UK, we have a Tory government, out of the EU, must sound like utopia to you "

You must be bloody joking.

Every time I visit that hell hole I count the days until I can return to civilisation.

BTW I haven't been back since Brexit.

Tory government?

Bloody hell two good jokes in one post.

Britain hasn't had a proper Tory government since Mrs T went.

Boris's lot are just a bunch of Blairites in disguise.

When I left the UK the Blair creature was PM.

Brexit or no Brexit. Life is far too good for me to want to return to all that shit.

So, a quick dip in the pool now then off to a very nice tapa's bar down the road.

Ensalada Atun followed by Albondigas con Patatas Bravas I think tonight.

.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

You really are obsessed with the left arent you?

Do they keep you awake at night?

Judging by the number of forum posts in this section then obviously not as obsessed as you are about promoting it.

BTW. Have you ever posted anything that is even remotely connected to swinging?

Seems to me that you spend your entire day camped out in the politics section.

Don't worry, you have plenty of time to think about your pithy answer.

I'm off back into the real world now. Breakfast to be eaten then pool to be cleaned.

I find it much more enjoyable to wind up daily mail readers tbh

Personally I think it's the other way around.

Every time the Daily Mail is mentioned on here it's the lefties who start frothing at the mouth.

I only occasionally read it but maybe I should do so more often.

I could call it my personal job creation scheme for the lefties on here.

Give them something else to do rather than blathering on about knobbly knees and which flower you should put in your buttonhole.

You should move back to the UK, we have a Tory government, out of the EU, must sound like utopia to you

You must be bloody joking.

Every time I visit that hell hole I count the days until I can return to civilisation.

BTW I haven't been back since Brexit.

Tory government?

Bloody hell two good jokes in one post.

Britain hasn't had a proper Tory government since Mrs T went.

Boris's lot are just a bunch of Blairites in disguise.

When I left the UK the Blair creature was PM.

Brexit or no Brexit. Life is far too good for me to want to return to all that shit.

So, a quick dip in the pool now then off to a very nice tapa's bar down the road.

Ensalada Atun followed by Albondigas con Patatas Bravas I think tonight.

."

So you hate Britain? Fair enough

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

You really are obsessed with the left arent you?

Do they keep you awake at night?

Judging by the number of forum posts in this section then obviously not as obsessed as you are about promoting it.

BTW. Have you ever posted anything that is even remotely connected to swinging?

Seems to me that you spend your entire day camped out in the politics section.

Don't worry, you have plenty of time to think about your pithy answer.

I'm off back into the real world now. Breakfast to be eaten then pool to be cleaned.

I find it much more enjoyable to wind up daily mail readers tbh

Personally I think it's the other way around.

Every time the Daily Mail is mentioned on here it's the lefties who start frothing at the mouth.

I only occasionally read it but maybe I should do so more often.

I could call it my personal job creation scheme for the lefties on here.

Give them something else to do rather than blathering on about knobbly knees and which flower you should put in your buttonhole.

You should move back to the UK, we have a Tory government, out of the EU, must sound like utopia to you

You must be bloody joking.

Every time I visit that hell hole I count the days until I can return to civilisation.

BTW I haven't been back since Brexit.

Tory government?

Bloody hell two good jokes in one post.

Britain hasn't had a proper Tory government since Mrs T went.

Boris's lot are just a bunch of Blairites in disguise.

When I left the UK the Blair creature was PM.

Brexit or no Brexit. Life is far too good for me to want to return to all that shit.

So, a quick dip in the pool now then off to a very nice tapa's bar down the road.

Ensalada Atun followed by Albondigas con Patatas Bravas I think tonight.

.

So you hate Britain? Fair enough "
going by some posts on here I don’t think there the only ones tbf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

You really are obsessed with the left arent you?

Do they keep you awake at night?

Judging by the number of forum posts in this section then obviously not as obsessed as you are about promoting it.

BTW. Have you ever posted anything that is even remotely connected to swinging?

Seems to me that you spend your entire day camped out in the politics section.

Don't worry, you have plenty of time to think about your pithy answer.

I'm off back into the real world now. Breakfast to be eaten then pool to be cleaned.

I find it much more enjoyable to wind up daily mail readers tbh

Personally I think it's the other way around.

Every time the Daily Mail is mentioned on here it's the lefties who start frothing at the mouth.

I only occasionally read it but maybe I should do so more often.

I could call it my personal job creation scheme for the lefties on here.

Give them something else to do rather than blathering on about knobbly knees and which flower you should put in your buttonhole.

You should move back to the UK, we have a Tory government, out of the EU, must sound like utopia to you

You must be bloody joking.

Every time I visit that hell hole I count the days until I can return to civilisation.

BTW I haven't been back since Brexit.

Tory government?

Bloody hell two good jokes in one post.

Britain hasn't had a proper Tory government since Mrs T went.

Boris's lot are just a bunch of Blairites in disguise.

When I left the UK the Blair creature was PM.

Brexit or no Brexit. Life is far too good for me to want to return to all that shit.

So, a quick dip in the pool now then off to a very nice tapa's bar down the road.

Ensalada Atun followed by Albondigas con Patatas Bravas I think tonight.

.

So you hate Britain? Fair enough going by some posts on here I don’t think there the only ones tbf "

I have more regional pride than national pride,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative"

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism. "

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Its also a bit weird that anti semtism is shoehorned into every thread but a report finding Deep.seated islsmsphobia in the gmnt was largely ignored?

Its almost like people pick and choose what to get offended by.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?"

I thought that taking the knee was about supporting a bunch of hard left anarchists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?"

Racism is racism. Only a true bigot would differentiate.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts


"Its also a bit weird that anti semtism is shoehorned into every thread but a report finding Deep.seated islsmsphobia in the gmnt was largely ignored?

Its almost like people pick and choose what to get offended by."

like you lol

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?

Racism is racism. Only a true bigot would differentiate."

Right..so everyone who takes the knee is a bigot.

That's good to know

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?

I thought that taking the knee was about supporting a bunch of hard left anarchists."

Someone should tell Jordan Henderson he is a hard left anarchist

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Only in the world of fab could people protesting against racism be labelled hard left anarchists bigots

Outstanding

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?

Racism is racism. Only a true bigot would differentiate.

Right..so everyone who takes the knee is a bigot.

That's good to know"

Where did I say that? Stop making stuff up boy. Just kneel when you're told to, that should be a simple enough instruction, even for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?

I thought that taking the knee was about supporting a bunch of hard left anarchists."

I thought that only racist and bigots boo players who take the knee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism. "

Why do you think there is such an increase?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

think they boo because they are not on both knees and wearing poppies... or perhaps they just want them to play football rather than indicate their thoughts on whatever... because they paid for a ticket to watch football not watch men kneel....

i hate film stars who start telling me about saving the planet, not coz i dont want to save the planet but because i dont need them to keep fucking telling me what i should do and what i should think! so i shout at the telly... fuck off... i dont care if youre famous.. just fuck off... you get the idea lol

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh

Not sure how taking the knee made it into blm. The Royal Navy imposed this on mutineers, last used in HMS Nelson just over 100 years ago.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

there will be even more excitement than expected during the Euro football tournament, as some fans have promised to boo footballers “taking the knee” in support of Black Lives Matter, because the campaign is “Marxist”.

a football player on a field: ‘Some supporters explain they boo because Black Lives Matter supports defunding the police’ - PA Wire © PA Wire

‘Some supporters explain they boo because Black Lives Matter supports defunding the police’

- PA Wire

It’s lucky they’ve spotted this. It’s obvious, now they mention it, that when he’s on one knee, Harry Kane is thinking, “Hee-hee, secretly we’re doing this to promote the cause of the toiling masses overthrowing the ruling order in favour of a communal system of production.”

What gives it away is that television companies have been supporting the Black Lives Matter campaign, and there’s no bigger supporter of Marxism than Sky Sports.

I expect some fans will boo because they favour a gradual approach towards social reform, rather than Marx’s revolutionary upheaval, so they’ll chant, “We won’t fulfil, sod-all until, we embrace the aims of John Stuart Mill,” followed by, “His beard’s too long, his theory’s wrong, Karl Marx is a w****r.”

Some England fans explained why they’re planning to boo their own players, saying: “We support ENGLAND so we have to boo England’s players because we can’t stand people who attack OUR players so it’s important we tell our players to P**S OFF because I’d DIE for that shirt which is why, when one of our players walked past me, I gobbed all over it.”

It’s lucky the England fans have rumbled this Marxist plot, otherwise the commentators would be gasping, “Gareth Southgate has surprised many of us with his formation, opting for four at the back, with the midfield turned into a collective farm communally owned by the peasantry, with Marcus Rashford up front as expected.”

Then a change in the format will be announced, in which all the goals are shared out equally so every game ends in a draw.

Some supporters explain that they plan to boo because Black Lives Matter supports defunding the police. This will become clear, when the commentator says, “This is Raheem Sterling on the edge of the box where he can be so dangerous, even more lethal than the brutal fascists of the police, organised to protect the state and uphold global neoliberal values, he shoots and it’s JUST tipped over the bar by David de Gea, jumping with the agility required by a mass movement that aspires to replace the armed brutes with a commune of jugglers from Brighton. So that’s a corner to England.”

Another complaint made about the “taking the knee” gesture is that there has been violence reported at some of the thousands of Black Lives Matter events around the world. So if you kneel in support of Black Lives Matter, you are supporting any violence that has ever happened at a Black Lives Matter protest, anywhere in the world.

In the same way, if you support the Union Jack you are supporting all the times it has ever been flown, such as while selling sl@ves or invading Iraq, so I expect the football fans will boo the flag whenever it appears.

And if you sing the national anthem you’ll be supporting anyone who has ever sung it, including Oswald Mosley, Gary Glitter and Reggie Kray. So I imagine they’ll boo all the way through that as well.

Lord Walney, who Boris Johnson placed in charge of the inquiry about racism in Britain, has spoken about the campaign, saying: “I want to look at the way anticapitalist far-left fringe groups hijack causes like the Black Lives Matter movement.”

Because when a global movement emerges committed to combatting racism following the latest in a series of murders of black people by the police, and it becomes the centre of the entire issue of racism in Britain, the most important thing is to make sure the Revolutionary Workers Party for Working Workers doesn’t use it as an opportunity to sell one of their badges.

It’s to be admired that people have found ways to object to the words “Black Lives Matter”. You might think this would be an uncontroversial statement, but they’ve found ways to scream about it. We should try them with other statements that seem uncontroversial, such as “Water is wet”. Perhaps they’ll all scream, “This is disgraceful! Why don’t you mention other liquids? ALL fluids are wet. What about ginger beer and urine? And some water, like the sea in the Bermuda Triangle, is anti-boat.”

Black Lives Matter is a simple and incontestable slogan, so they have to make up imaginative reasons to oppose it, mumbling: “I’m simply booing because I’m worried the players will graze their knee,” or, “It seems to hold the game up for five seconds and in that extra time the goalposts might collapse.”

The Conservative MP for Ashfield announced he would “Boycott England games” in protest at the knee gesture. This is a major blow for the players, as it’s been his support that has kept them going these last few years. From Paul Scholes to Mason Mount, knowing the Conservative MP for Ashfield was listening to the commentary in his car was what drove them on.

But he must be proud of being one more figure who’s showing his support for England by refusing to support England.

So this does suggest a solution. The people booing England over this issue clearly love England, but they love an England that doesn’t exist. The players, and the manager, and the majority of supporters who wouldn’t boo, support a different England – the one that does exist.

England should be allowed to field two teams: one that the booing people can support, that exists only in the imaginations of the permanently embittered and can play anywhere they like. And a real England, made up of actual people who can play on the grass, for everyone else.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Major difference war dead the ones defending everyone that paid the sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. For everyone not a particular color. So you saying my black brothers and sisters that perished for western value are not worth the rememberance. Kneeling brings attention to 1 not all. But let's forget about those just to fit a agenda instead of the betterment of all. No comparison. These people had honor and integrity to sacrafice.

I'm not sure ww1 battered mankind tbh.

The poppy has become,in recent years at least, a political issue.

Only since the British hating far left turned it into one.

I wear my poppy every year (yes even in Germany)

I wear it for my father WW2 Royal Navy. My two uncles WW2 Royal Airforce. My stepfather also WW2 RAF. My great uncle, killed and never found in the mud at Passchendaele.

I also wear it for all the service personnel who put their lives on the line to preserve the freedom that we take for granted. And yes, including all of those from the commonwealth.

If in the eyes of the deranged left that makes me a racist then I couldn't care less and will wear that poppy with pride.

You really are obsessed with the left arent you?

Do they keep you awake at night?

Judging by the number of forum posts in this section then obviously not as obsessed as you are about promoting it.

BTW. Have you ever posted anything that is even remotely connected to swinging?

Seems to me that you spend your entire day camped out in the politics section.

Don't worry, you have plenty of time to think about your pithy answer.

I'm off back into the real world now. Breakfast to be eaten then pool to be cleaned.

I find it much more enjoyable to wind up daily mail readers tbh

Personally I think it's the other way around.

Every time the Daily Mail is mentioned on here it's the lefties who start frothing at the mouth.

I only occasionally read it but maybe I should do so more often.

I could call it my personal job creation scheme for the lefties on here.

Give them something else to do rather than blathering on about knobbly knees and which flower you should put in your buttonhole.

You should move back to the UK, we have a Tory government, out of the EU, must sound like utopia to you

You must be bloody joking.

Every time I visit that hell hole I count the days until I can return to civilisation.

BTW I haven't been back since Brexit.

Tory government?

Bloody hell two good jokes in one post.

Britain hasn't had a proper Tory government since Mrs T went.

Boris's lot are just a bunch of Blairites in disguise.

When I left the UK the Blair creature was PM.

Brexit or no Brexit. Life is far too good for me to want to return to all that shit.

So, a quick dip in the pool now then off to a very nice tapa's bar down the road.

Ensalada Atun followed by Albondigas con Patatas Bravas I think tonight.

.

So you hate Britain? Fair enough going by some posts on here I don’t think there the only ones tbf

I have more regional pride than national pride, "
do you have national pride like ?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?"
why just black racism ? Isn’t all racism bad ?

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?why just black racism ? Isn’t all racism bad ?"

I.didnt say it wasnt.

I just thought the talking the knee was specifically a protest against racism against black pool as its associated with blm.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?why just black racism ? Isn’t all racism bad ?

I.didnt say it wasnt.

I just thought the talking the knee was specifically a protest against racism against black pool as its associated with blm."
I just thought racism is racism didn’t know there was different types

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?why just black racism ? Isn’t all racism bad ?

I.didnt say it wasnt.

I just thought the talking the knee was specifically a protest against racism against black pool as its associated with blm.I just thought racism is racism didn’t know there was different types "

I didn't say there were different types of racism

We were specifically talking about the taking the knee protest.

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By *ERRIBLE TWOSUMCouple
over a year ago

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"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?why just black racism ? Isn’t all racism bad ?

I.didnt say it wasnt.

I just thought the talking the knee was specifically a protest against racism against black pool as its associated with blm.I just thought racism is racism didn’t know there was different types

I didn't say there were different types of racism

We were specifically talking about the taking the knee protest."
America and Europe so racist that non Americans and non Europeans keep trying to get in eh...

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?why just black racism ? Isn’t all racism bad ?

I.didnt say it wasnt.

I just thought the talking the knee was specifically a protest against racism against black pool as its associated with blm.I just thought racism is racism didn’t know there was different types

I didn't say there were different types of racism

We were specifically talking about the taking the knee protest.America and Europe so racist that non Americans and non Europeans keep trying to get in eh..."

No idea what that means

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?why just black racism ? Isn’t all racism bad ?

I.didnt say it wasnt.

I just thought the talking the knee was specifically a protest against racism against black pool as its associated with blm.I just thought racism is racism didn’t know there was different types

I didn't say there were different types of racism

We were specifically talking about the taking the knee protest.America and Europe so racist that non Americans and non Europeans keep trying to get in eh...

No idea what that means "

We know you don't lol read it slower see if it helps, do it on one knee, both knees, hands and knees....

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over a year ago


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?why just black racism ? Isn’t all racism bad ?

I.didnt say it wasnt.

I just thought the talking the knee was specifically a protest against racism against black pool as its associated with blm.I just thought racism is racism didn’t know there was different types

I didn't say there were different types of racism

We were specifically talking about the taking the knee protest.America and Europe so racist that non Americans and non Europeans keep trying to get in eh..."

Just trying to get there stolen property back innit

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By *ERRIBLE TWOSUMCouple
over a year ago

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"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?why just black racism ? Isn’t all racism bad ?

I.didnt say it wasnt.

I just thought the talking the knee was specifically a protest against racism against black pool as its associated with blm.I just thought racism is racism didn’t know there was different types

I didn't say there were different types of racism

We were specifically talking about the taking the knee protest.America and Europe so racist that non Americans and non Europeans keep trying to get in eh...

No idea what that means

We know you don't lol read it slower see if it helps, do it on one knee, both knees, hands and knees.... "
between you and me....i think he does know what it means.

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By *ERRIBLE TWOSUMCouple
over a year ago

Suck mammys strap-on


"it's about morals not politics despite the usual racists attempts to alter the knee taking merely to suit their racist narrative

With anti-semitic racism on the increase by some 320% in the UK, it is only fitting that all the English players kneel in apology for this and all racism.

Isnt taking the knee about black racism?

Do you have a source for this 300%increase?why just black racism ? Isn’t all racism bad ?

I.didnt say it wasnt.

I just thought the talking the knee was specifically a protest against racism against black pool as its associated with blm.I just thought racism is racism didn’t know there was different types

I didn't say there were different types of racism

We were specifically talking about the taking the knee protest.America and Europe so racist that non Americans and non Europeans keep trying to get in eh...

Just trying to get there stolen property back innit "
and who did they steal it from before that.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

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