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"Parliament has always been deeply corrupt and masonic, you'd hardly have any MPs left if you removed the freemasons. Westminster even has freemason lodges within." It's probably the same of 99 percent of governments, yet never gets questioned... | |||
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"Parliament has always been deeply corrupt and masonic, you'd hardly have any MPs left if you removed the freemasons. Westminster even has freemason lodges within. It's probably the same of 99 percent of governments, yet never gets questioned... " Very true, it's the same the world over, lodges in every city. Secret societies...builderberger group, commitee of 300, knights of Malta, club of Rome, trilateral commission, skull and bones, council of 13, freemasons, knights templar control the world. The same secret societies that JFK warned us about weeks before he was murdered. | |||
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"Should mps and civil servants declare they are members of a lodge? As surely would come under the lobbying and outside interests ... especially with contracts" Fucking deluded twats amongst the fucking deluded corrupt twats  | |||
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"Parliament has always been deeply corrupt and masonic, you'd hardly have any MPs left if you removed the freemasons. Westminster even has freemason lodges within. It's probably the same of 99 percent of governments, yet never gets questioned... Very true, it's the same the world over, lodges in every city. Secret societies...builderberger group, commitee of 300, knights of Malta, club of Rome, trilateral commission, skull and bones, council of 13, freemasons, knights templar control the world. The same secret societies that JFK warned us about weeks before he was murdered." Interesting you mentioned JFK as notice it never gets mentioned, it's either cia or mafia ... | |||
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"Parliament has always been deeply corrupt and masonic, you'd hardly have any MPs left if you removed the freemasons. Westminster even has freemason lodges within. It's probably the same of 99 percent of governments, yet never gets questioned... Very true, it's the same the world over, lodges in every city. Secret societies...builderberger group, commitee of 300, knights of Malta, club of Rome, trilateral commission, skull and bones, council of 13, freemasons, knights templar control the world. The same secret societies that JFK warned us about weeks before he was murdered. Interesting you mentioned JFK as notice it never gets mentioned, it's either cia or mafia ... " In his own words, JFK wanted to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces , so yes, JFK had a lot of enemies who wanted him gone. At that time, a certain George Bush senior was high up in the CIA, the man who claimed not to remember where he was at the time of JFK's assassination despite there being a photo of him at the scene that very day on November 22nd 1963. | |||
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"Parliament has always been deeply corrupt and masonic, you'd hardly have any MPs left if you removed the freemasons. Westminster even has freemason lodges within. It's probably the same of 99 percent of governments, yet never gets questioned... Very true, it's the same the world over, lodges in every city. Secret societies...builderberger group, commitee of 300, knights of Malta, club of Rome, trilateral commission, skull and bones, council of 13, freemasons, knights templar control the world. The same secret societies that JFK warned us about weeks before he was murdered. Interesting you mentioned JFK as notice it never gets mentioned, it's either cia or mafia ... In his own words, JFK wanted to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces , so yes, JFK had a lot of enemies who wanted him gone. At that time, a certain George Bush senior was high up in the CIA, the man who claimed not to remember where he was at the time of JFK's assassination despite there being a photo of him at the scene that very day on November 22nd 1963." Ahh Bush, say no more, especially with his deluded son. Here's a question, name me a prime minister or president who wasn't in the masons, BTW jfk was in a lodge and wanted out | |||
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"Theresa May, and if JFK was a Mason and wanted to leave he would simply resign" On you tube as giving the masons handshaking... Would post link but don't want another ban ???? | |||
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"Theresa May, and if JFK was a Mason and wanted to leave he would simply resign On you tube as giving the masons handshaking... Would post link but don't want another ban ????" I have no idea if he was a mason or not but you claimed he wanted to leave but couldnt, he would simply resign. | |||
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"Theresa May, and if JFK was a Mason and wanted to leave he would simply resign On you tube as giving the masons handshaking... Would post link but don't want another ban ???? I have no idea if he was a mason or not but you claimed he wanted to leave but couldnt, he would simply resign." If you Google jfk and secret society you will find his speech about exposing what actually goes on ... | |||
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"Should mps and civil servants declare they are members of a lodge? As surely would come under the lobbying and outside interests ... especially with contracts" yep they should declare | |||
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"Theresa May, and if JFK was a Mason and wanted to leave he would simply resign On you tube as giving the masons handshaking... Would post link but don't want another ban ???? I have no idea if he was a mason or not but you claimed he wanted to leave but couldnt, he would simply resign. If you Google jfk and secret society you will find his speech about exposing what actually goes on ..." Have just looked it up and jfk was never a member of the masons. He may have made speeches about them not that any cane up when I googled it, however that doesnt mean he knew anything about them, after all they are a secret society | |||
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"Theresa May, and if JFK was a Mason and wanted to leave he would simply resign On you tube as giving the masons handshaking... Would post link but don't want another ban ???? I have no idea if he was a mason or not but you claimed he wanted to leave but couldnt, he would simply resign. If you Google jfk and secret society you will find his speech about exposing what actually goes on ... Have just looked it up and jfk was never a member of the masons. He may have made speeches about them not that any cane up when I googled it, however that doesnt mean he knew anything about them, after all they are a secret society " Really, you wouldn't even of got near the post of president of the USA with out being one, same as in the UK and a large majority of the world. | |||
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"Theresa May, and if JFK was a Mason and wanted to leave he would simply resign On you tube as giving the masons handshaking... Would post link but don't want another ban ???? I have no idea if he was a mason or not but you claimed he wanted to leave but couldnt, he would simply resign. If you Google jfk and secret society you will find his speech about exposing what actually goes on ... Have just looked it up and jfk was never a member of the masons. He may have made speeches about them not that any cane up when I googled it, however that doesnt mean he knew anything about them, after all they are a secret society Really, you wouldn't even of got near the post of president of the USA with out being one, same as in the UK and a large majority of the world." 14 us presidents have been masons, the only british pm AFAIK was churchill, plenty of famous people have been though | |||
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"Theresa May, and if JFK was a Mason and wanted to leave he would simply resign On you tube as giving the masons handshaking... Would post link but don't want another ban ???? I have no idea if he was a mason or not but you claimed he wanted to leave but couldnt, he would simply resign. If you Google jfk and secret society you will find his speech about exposing what actually goes on ... Have just looked it up and jfk was never a member of the masons. He may have made speeches about them not that any cane up when I googled it, however that doesnt mean he knew anything about them, after all they are a secret society Really, you wouldn't even of got near the post of president of the USA with out being one, same as in the UK and a large majority of the world. 14 us presidents have been masons, the only british pm AFAIK was churchill, plenty of famous people have been though" Disagree, you won't get near prime minister or president without being one, even Kim from North Korea is one ... note the way he tucks his hand in his jacket, trump was one as well | |||
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"Theresa May, and if JFK was a Mason and wanted to leave he would simply resign On you tube as giving the masons handshaking... Would post link but don't want another ban ???? I have no idea if he was a mason or not but you claimed he wanted to leave but couldnt, he would simply resign. If you Google jfk and secret society you will find his speech about exposing what actually goes on ... Have just looked it up and jfk was never a member of the masons. He may have made speeches about them not that any cane up when I googled it, however that doesnt mean he knew anything about them, after all they are a secret society Really, you wouldn't even of got near the post of president of the USA with out being one, same as in the UK and a large majority of the world. 14 us presidents have been masons, the only british pm AFAIK was churchill, plenty of famous people have been though Disagree, you won't get near prime minister or president without being one, even Kim from North Korea is one ... note the way he tucks his hand in his jacket, trump was one as well" Oh dear, mind the sun has been quite strong today. | |||
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"Theresa May, and if JFK was a Mason and wanted to leave he would simply resign On you tube as giving the masons handshaking... Would post link but don't want another ban ???? I have no idea if he was a mason or not but you claimed he wanted to leave but couldnt, he would simply resign. If you Google jfk and secret society you will find his speech about exposing what actually goes on ... Have just looked it up and jfk was never a member of the masons. He may have made speeches about them not that any cane up when I googled it, however that doesnt mean he knew anything about them, after all they are a secret society Really, you wouldn't even of got near the post of president of the USA with out being one, same as in the UK and a large majority of the world. 14 us presidents have been masons, the only british pm AFAIK was churchill, plenty of famous people have been though Disagree, you won't get near prime minister or president without being one, even Kim from North Korea is one ... note the way he tucks his hand in his jacket, trump was one as well Oh dear, mind the sun has been quite strong today." Take it you know that symbol? ... | |||
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"Theresa May, and if JFK was a Mason and wanted to leave he would simply resign On you tube as giving the masons handshaking... Would post link but don't want another ban ???? I have no idea if he was a mason or not but you claimed he wanted to leave but couldnt, he would simply resign. If you Google jfk and secret society you will find his speech about exposing what actually goes on ... Have just looked it up and jfk was never a member of the masons. He may have made speeches about them not that any cane up when I googled it, however that doesnt mean he knew anything about them, after all they are a secret society Really, you wouldn't even of got near the post of president of the USA with out being one, same as in the UK and a large majority of the world. 14 us presidents have been masons, the only british pm AFAIK was churchill, plenty of famous people have been though Disagree, you won't get near prime minister or president without being one, even Kim from North Korea is one ... note the way he tucks his hand in his jacket, trump was one as well Oh dear, mind the sun has been quite strong today. Take it you know that symbol? ..." No such symbol in masonry | |||
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"Theresa May, and if JFK was a Mason and wanted to leave he would simply resign On you tube as giving the masons handshaking... Would post link but don't want another ban ???? I have no idea if he was a mason or not but you claimed he wanted to leave but couldnt, he would simply resign. If you Google jfk and secret society you will find his speech about exposing what actually goes on ... Have just looked it up and jfk was never a member of the masons. He may have made speeches about them not that any cane up when I googled it, however that doesnt mean he knew anything about them, after all they are a secret society Really, you wouldn't even of got near the post of president of the USA with out being one, same as in the UK and a large majority of the world. 14 us presidents have been masons, the only british pm AFAIK was churchill, plenty of famous people have been though Disagree, you won't get near prime minister or president without being one, even Kim from North Korea is one ... note the way he tucks his hand in his jacket, trump was one as well Oh dear, mind the sun has been quite strong today. Take it you know that symbol? ... No such symbol in masonry " I would suggest your sources need checking OP. Maybe move onto that trusted oracle Wikipedia next. But hey, what do I know, I’m just poor and distressed by this post  | |||
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"Is this the batsh*t crazy conspiracy theory thread "Yep, although not unique  | |||
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"Is this the batsh*t crazy conspiracy theory thread "Same as 95% of the thread on here then. Lol. | |||
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"Should mps and civil servants declare they are members of a lodge? As surely would come under the lobbying and outside interests ... especially with contracts" Why, contracts and interests should be monitored and declared even if members belong to the local Morris dancers. I would imagine and very much suspect deals are done outside the Chambers elsewhere in London, agreed in the morning and rubber stamped in the commons in the afternoon. There is a book about the takeover of Triumph Motorcycles in 1973, read that and the Hansard entries for that period and it seems to be the case. | |||
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"Should mps and civil servants declare they are members of a lodge? As surely would come under the lobbying and outside interests ... especially with contracts" The local brickie knows about this stuff he once said their is a lot of masonry in that house. | |||
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"Should mps and civil servants declare they are members of a lodge? As surely would come under the lobbying and outside interests ... especially with contracts" No for the following reason, The European Court of Human Rights ruled in 2007 that in a modern democratic society it was discriminatory to single out Freemasons from the many voluntary organisations an individual can belong to and require them to register their membership with their employers. | |||
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"Parliament has always been deeply corrupt and masonic, you'd hardly have any MPs left if you removed the freemasons. Westminster even has freemason lodges within. It's probably the same of 99 percent of governments, yet never gets questioned... Very true, it's the same the world over, lodges in every city. Secret societies...builderberger group, commitee of 300, knights of Malta, club of Rome, trilateral commission, skull and bones, council of 13, freemasons, knights templar control the world. The same secret societies that JFK warned us about weeks before he was murdered. Interesting you mentioned JFK as notice it never gets mentioned, it's either cia or mafia ... " There was also one more reason why JFK got the real deal enemies. He wanted to get rid of central bank that is run by handful of people who don't get elected, they get chosen, not for 2-4 years, but till actual retirement, and that's who really pulls the economic strings, prints and lends money to other goverments controls the inflation and prices of gold. And all that for one "R" family. Don't really want to write all about it on public forum and get accused for some sort of izm, I am probably the least racist or homofobic person You possibly come across but there are things going behind the scenes to destroy fundamentals of the family, genderisation and all that. Vision of drag queens in elementary schools wearing clothes that some would feel a bit awkward wearing to go clubbing, or pedo paintings in the museum's.... All that is just beyond the imagination. But that's a little digression that I apologize for to those that might feel a bit upset about what I have just written. We all are entitled to be who we want to be, but damn, keep kids away from it. | |||
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"Should mps and civil servants declare they are members of a lodge? As surely would come under the lobbying and outside interests ... especially with contracts No for the following reason, The European Court of Human Rights ruled in 2007 that in a modern democratic society it was discriminatory to single out Freemasons from the many voluntary organisations an individual can belong to and require them to register their membership with their employers." You generally find MPs are masons because both are the type of people who instead of moaning about the world try to change it , I’ve met masons in voluntary positions like chair of governors & magistrates, they really are not sinister ! | |||
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"Should mps and civil servants declare they are members of a lodge? As surely would come under the lobbying and outside interests ... especially with contracts No for the following reason, The European Court of Human Rights ruled in 2007 that in a modern democratic society it was discriminatory to single out Freemasons from the many voluntary organisations an individual can belong to and require them to register their membership with their employers. You generally find MPs are masons because both are the type of people who instead of moaning about the world try to change it , I’ve met masons in voluntary positions like chair of governors & magistrates, they really are not sinister ! " Do Mason's publish their membership lists? If they don't then I think it then becomes difficult for an MP to be one. How can you scrutinise a politician if you don't know to whom they are affiliated? | |||
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"Should mps and civil servants declare they are members of a lodge? As surely would come under the lobbying and outside interests ... especially with contracts No for the following reason, The European Court of Human Rights ruled in 2007 that in a modern democratic society it was discriminatory to single out Freemasons from the many voluntary organisations an individual can belong to and require them to register their membership with their employers. You generally find MPs are masons because both are the type of people who instead of moaning about the world try to change it , I’ve met masons in voluntary positions like chair of governors & magistrates, they really are not sinister ! Do Mason's publish their membership lists? If they don't then I think it then becomes difficult for an MP to be one. How can you scrutinise a politician if you don't know to whom they are affiliated?" You’re a person with above average intelligence I would say. What do you know of Freemasonry and do you think it has attracted accusations based on secrecy that do not reflect the reality of the organisation? In short what do you think of Freemasonry? | |||
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"Should mps and civil servants declare they are members of a lodge? As surely would come under the lobbying and outside interests ... especially with contracts No for the following reason, The European Court of Human Rights ruled in 2007 that in a modern democratic society it was discriminatory to single out Freemasons from the many voluntary organisations an individual can belong to and require them to register their membership with their employers. You generally find MPs are masons because both are the type of people who instead of moaning about the world try to change it , I’ve met masons in voluntary positions like chair of governors & magistrates, they really are not sinister ! Do Mason's publish their membership lists? If they don't then I think it then becomes difficult for an MP to be one. How can you scrutinise a politician if you don't know to whom they are affiliated? You’re a person with above average intelligence I would say. What do you know of Freemasonry and do you think it has attracted accusations based on secrecy that do not reflect the reality of the organisation? In short what do you think of Freemasonry?" Thank you, I think.... I don't really know anything about Mason's if I'm honest beyond the generic funny handshakes and allegations of getting off speeding tickets stuff. I know someone who worked for a Masonic charity I think and said they were generous benefactors. I think people are probably curious and more about things they don't know about and that has perhaps added an increased negative slant on it. I don't think there's a Masonic conspiracy at the heart of govt though. I don't think anything of Freemasonry if I'm honest, it hasn't crossed my radar til I saw this thread. But, like we are allowed to know where public money goes, I'd also like to know where public servants go. We know if an MP is affiliated to a Trade Union, if they are on the board of a charity or own shares in company x, I'd like to know what other groups they are members of too. | |||
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"Should mps and civil servants declare they are members of a lodge? As surely would come under the lobbying and outside interests ... especially with contracts No for the following reason, The European Court of Human Rights ruled in 2007 that in a modern democratic society it was discriminatory to single out Freemasons from the many voluntary organisations an individual can belong to and require them to register their membership with their employers. You generally find MPs are masons because both are the type of people who instead of moaning about the world try to change it , I’ve met masons in voluntary positions like chair of governors & magistrates, they really are not sinister ! Do Mason's publish their membership lists? If they don't then I think it then becomes difficult for an MP to be one. How can you scrutinise a politician if you don't know to whom they are affiliated?" Do all clubs have to publicly list their all their members? Why do I need to know that Keir Starmer is a member of the Athenaeum or Theresa May is in the Tufty club? | |||
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"Should mps and civil servants declare they are members of a lodge? As surely would come under the lobbying and outside interests ... especially with contracts No for the following reason, The European Court of Human Rights ruled in 2007 that in a modern democratic society it was discriminatory to single out Freemasons from the many voluntary organisations an individual can belong to and require them to register their membership with their employers. You generally find MPs are masons because both are the type of people who instead of moaning about the world try to change it , I’ve met masons in voluntary positions like chair of governors & magistrates, they really are not sinister ! Do Mason's publish their membership lists? If they don't then I think it then becomes difficult for an MP to be one. How can you scrutinise a politician if you don't know to whom they are affiliated? Do all clubs have to publicly list their all their members? Why do I need to know that Keir Starmer is a member of the Athenaeum or Theresa May is in the Tufty club?" I think the difference is that Lodges don't publish their lists, activity in the Lodge is not listed and individual Mason's aren't required to declare their membership if asked. To be honest, If I found out that my MP had attended a meeting that he hadn't made reference to, no list of the people who also attended was available nor what the meeting was about I'd think 'hmmm, there's room for doubt there'. So I'd like to know, because he could have been meeting to plan next year's carnival, or he could have been passing on our biometric details to our soon to be Lizard people overlords and my response to those two things would be different. | |||
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"Parliament has always been deeply corrupt and masonic, you'd hardly have any MPs left if you removed the freemasons. Westminster even has freemason lodges within. It's probably the same of 99 percent of governments, yet never gets questioned... Very true, it's the same the world over, lodges in every city. Secret societies...builderberger group, commitee of 300, knights of Malta, club of Rome, trilateral commission, skull and bones, council of 13, freemasons, knights templar control the world. The same secret societies that JFK warned us about weeks before he was murdered." best say nothing | |||
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"I don't think MPs should disclose wether they masons or not, if they want to then that's up to them. I'm a proud Mason and want to get into politics, however my political allegiances stop at the lodge door and abide by the rules of the lodge. I wish we could get out of speed offences like some claim (might have happened in the past) but I still have to attend a speed awareness course this month haha. There is nothing nefarious going on in masonry, it's a charity fraternity and that's the best way to describe it. My FIL is a member of many lodges in London including one that had Prince Philip as a member. As other posters have mentioned there is an aging masonic populace but young blood is slowly coming through haha, It's not that much of a secret anymore due to the internet, all the signs grips and tokens are online if you want to Google it. More people should join though, it's an awesome fraternity and you make some great friendships and travel to different people's lodges. Sat next to a member of the LRDG the other month and listened to some of his stories from the war..." Would your lodge ‘approve ‘ of you being on fabswingers? Or advertising your membership on here ? I honestly don’t know much about the free masons | |||
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"I don't think MPs should disclose wether they masons or not, if they want to then that's up to them. I'm a proud Mason and want to get into politics, however my political allegiances stop at the lodge door and abide by the rules of the lodge. I wish we could get out of speed offences like some claim (might have happened in the past) but I still have to attend a speed awareness course this month haha. There is nothing nefarious going on in masonry, it's a charity fraternity and that's the best way to describe it. My FIL is a member of many lodges in London including one that had Prince Philip as a member. As other posters have mentioned there is an aging masonic populace but young blood is slowly coming through haha, It's not that much of a secret anymore due to the internet, all the signs grips and tokens are online if you want to Google it. More people should join though, it's an awesome fraternity and you make some great friendships and travel to different people's lodges. Sat next to a member of the LRDG the other month and listened to some of his stories from the war... Would your lodge ‘approve ‘ of you being on fabswingers? Or advertising your membership on here ? I honestly don’t know much about the free masons " There's nothing that would have a mark upon my name disclosing this on here, my honour is still intact, same with work haha. I wear a ring and currently planning a masonic sleeve so it's not that I'm afraid to disclose it, quite the opposite. Honestly in the UK, male and females should look to join if they fit the criteria, it's not nefarious and I can't wait to go to my next visit or my own lodges meet. If anyone has any myths wanting dispelled or curious about joining place the questions in here/ DM me if not wanting to disclose it. | |||
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"I don't think MPs should disclose wether they masons or not, if they want to then that's up to them. I'm a proud Mason and want to get into politics, however my political allegiances stop at the lodge door and abide by the rules of the lodge. I wish we could get out of speed offences like some claim (might have happened in the past) but I still have to attend a speed awareness course this month haha. There is nothing nefarious going on in masonry, it's a charity fraternity and that's the best way to describe it. My FIL is a member of many lodges in London including one that had Prince Philip as a member. As other posters have mentioned there is an aging masonic populace but young blood is slowly coming through haha, It's not that much of a secret anymore due to the internet, all the signs grips and tokens are online if you want to Google it. More people should join though, it's an awesome fraternity and you make some great friendships and travel to different people's lodges. Sat next to a member of the LRDG the other month and listened to some of his stories from the war... Would your lodge ‘approve ‘ of you being on fabswingers? Or advertising your membership on here ? I honestly don’t know much about the free masons There's nothing that would have a mark upon my name disclosing this on here, my honour is still intact, same with work haha. I wear a ring and currently planning a masonic sleeve so it's not that I'm afraid to disclose it, quite the opposite. Honestly in the UK, male and females should look to join if they fit the criteria, it's not nefarious and I can't wait to go to my next visit or my own lodges meet. If anyone has any myths wanting dispelled or curious about joining place the questions in here/ DM me if not wanting to disclose it." What is the criteria? | |||
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" What is the criteria? " Belief in a higher power, cleanish criminal record pretty much is it | |||
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" What is the criteria? Belief in a higher power, cleanish criminal record pretty much is it" I think a bit of expansion on both of those would be good. Is it any particular higher power? What is cleanish criminal record? I've not heard of that as being a thing before now. | |||
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" What is the criteria? Belief in a higher power, cleanish criminal record pretty much is it I think a bit of expansion on both of those would be good. Is it any particular higher power? What is cleanish criminal record? I've not heard of that as being a thing before now. " So I have Christian, jewish, muslim, buddhist, pagen members of my lodge so any and all really. Also speeding points is criminal record etc.... but not the extreme as murder. | |||
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" What is the criteria? Belief in a higher power, cleanish criminal record pretty much is it I think a bit of expansion on both of those would be good. Is it any particular higher power? What is cleanish criminal record? I've not heard of that as being a thing before now. So I have Christian, jewish, muslim, buddhist, pagen members of my lodge so any and all really. Also speeding points is criminal record etc.... but not the extreme as murder. " More questions, I like this opportunity to understand more 
How do members prove their belief in higher powers?
I’m guessing here but are talking about spent convictions clear a person to join?
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" Belief in a higher power, cleanish More questions, I like this opportunity to understand more
How do members prove their belief in higher powers?
I’m guessing here but are talking about spent convictions clear a person to join?
"There is no real way of showing proof in belief, I'm sure plenty of atheists have become masons by lying, but I don't know why you would. I'm unsure honestly about spent convictions, it might be lodge dependant/ come down from grand Lodge.... Best thing to do is be honest and see what happens. | |||
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" Belief in a higher power, cleanish More questions, I like this opportunity to understand more
How do members prove their belief in higher powers?
I’m guessing here but are talking about spent convictions clear a person to join?
There is no real way of showing proof in belief, I'm sure plenty of atheists have become masons by lying, but I don't know why you would.
I'm unsure honestly about spent convictions, it might be lodge dependant/ come down from grand Lodge.... Best thing to do is be honest and see what happens."I want to be clear that I'm not asking these questions because of my personal circumstances.... You said you can join if you meet the criteria and I have asked what that criteria is. I'm still not sure what that criteria is, or how serious a benchmark it is. | |||
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" Belief in a higher power, cleanish More questions, I like this opportunity to understand more
How do members prove their belief in higher powers?
I’m guessing here but are talking about spent convictions clear a person to join?
There is no real way of showing proof in belief, I'm sure plenty of atheists have become masons by lying, but I don't know why you would.
I'm unsure honestly about spent convictions, it might be lodge dependant/ come down from grand Lodge.... Best thing to do is be honest and see what happens.
I want to be clear that I'm not asking these questions because of my personal circumstances....
You said you can join if you meet the criteria and I have asked what that criteria is.
I'm still not sure what that criteria is, or how serious a benchmark it is. "I found this interesting. Especially the bit about believing in a higher power. Which I found strange. Their website states: Becoming a Freemason means you’ll be joining about 175,000 members throughout England and Wales, as well as Districts overseas. Membership is open to people from all backgrounds and the organisation’s aim is to empower members to be the best they can be – it’s about building character, supporting members as individuals and helping them make a positive contribution to society. We have more than 7,000 Lodges, with any man over the age of 18 welcome to join, irrespective of their race or religion. Students are also able to join one of 87 University Scheme Lodges. Women are invited to join one of two female-only Grand Lodges: The Order of Women Freemasons and Freemasonry for Women. | |||
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" I want to be clear that I'm not asking these questions because of my personal circumstances.... You said you can join if you meet the criteria and I have asked what that criteria is. I'm still not sure what that criteria is, or how serious a benchmark it is. "I know that you had to put your convictions if any on the form that you apply too but I am unsure myself in regards to spent convictions etc... but again it's for the lodge your joining to decide and vote on, if a member wants to "black ball" you they will.... The criteria for belief is in a supreme being, doesn't really matter which one/s. | |||
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" I found this interesting. Especially the bit about believing in a higher power. Which I found strange. Their website states: Becoming a Freemason means you’ll be joining about 175,000 members throughout England and Wales, as well as Districts overseas. Membership is open to people from all backgrounds and the organisation’s aim is to empower members to be the best they can be – it’s about building character, supporting members as individuals and helping them make a positive contribution to society. We have more than 7,000 Lodges, with any man over the age of 18 welcome to join, irrespective of their race or religion. Students are also able to join one of 87 University Scheme Lodges. Women are invited to join one of two female-only Grand Lodges: The Order of Women Freemasons and Freemasonry for Women." Yup it doesn't matter what religion you are, just aslong as you believe in a supreme being, and some "side orders" are for Muslims only and some for Christians etc.... | |||
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" I found this interesting. Especially the bit about believing in a higher power. Which I found strange. Their website states: Becoming a Freemason means you’ll be joining about 175,000 members throughout England and Wales, as well as Districts overseas. Membership is open to people from all backgrounds and the organisation’s aim is to empower members to be the best they can be – it’s about building character, supporting members as individuals and helping them make a positive contribution to society. We have more than 7,000 Lodges, with any man over the age of 18 welcome to join, irrespective of their race or religion. Students are also able to join one of 87 University Scheme Lodges. Women are invited to join one of two female-only Grand Lodges: The Order of Women Freemasons and Freemasonry for Women. Yup it doesn't matter what religion you are, just aslong as you believe in a supreme being, and some "side orders" are for Muslims only and some for Christians etc.... " I was invited to join a few years ago and had to turn them down as I'm an atheist. I could have lied, but it's like forcing yourself to go to church to worship a god you don't believe in. Why bother? A lot of the masonic rituals are based on "god" or Elohim as he is sometimes known as. I didn't want to make a mockery of what they (or churchgoers) were doing | |||
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"I would join if they were more accessible for women. I used to go to the charity events as a child, taken by members of my family who were also members. One family member has written books about freemasonry and published his speeches. He was a kind, witty and very intelligent man, long since passed now unfortunately but his published work is very interesting." There are 2 masonic orders for women, Order of Women freemasons (OWF) Honorable fraternity of ancient freemasonry (HFAF), Google them and see which is your local one. There's also a podcast episode of "Craftcast" with the 2 grandmasters of the 2 woman orders and explaining why they split close to 100 years ago and what the differences are (TLDR a falling out over the Royal Arch "Chapter") If you don't mind DMing what the books are called I'd love to read them or anything masonic, granted it's a family member etc.... | |||
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"Can women be freemasons? X" Yes, 2 orders exist OWF & HFAF | |||
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