FabSwingers.com forum: Who here believes Cummings is a liar?

By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

It's a simple question?

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

Ps. I think he at least made-up his story about the Barnard thing - as we all would do to cover up the fact that we made a 'dickish' judgement call in an action that we took. So lets's call that a lie.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Clever bloke, brilliant strategist...

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"Clever bloke, brilliant strategist..."

oi? answer the question lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes he has been known to lie.

Is he compulsive? I don't think so

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Not a liar as such but an expert at bending the truth

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech

Yep, I think he is, he was lying before over barnard and i am sure he won't exactly be telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth this time either. If he was happy to lie in that garden press conference I am sure he will have no qualms doing the same with the select committee in my opinion.

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

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Of course he lied

Look who is based at The Castle .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/up-to-60m-vaccine-doses-to-be-manufactured-at-barnard-castle-boris-johnson-says-12260230

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/03/high-value-business-travellers-to-be-exempt-from-quarantine-in-england

Just before Durham D left his Job

A law was passed

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

"Ps. I think he at least made-up his story about the Barnard thing - as we all would do to cover up the fact that we made a 'dickish' judgement call in an action that we took. So lets's call that a lie."

The biggest lie was Buggered it up Boris

Didnt come clean until the vaccines were ready .

Did Dom get a copy of the Russia report .

I doubt that will be a Lie

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Clever bloke, brilliant strategist...

oi? answer the question lol. "

I will not be pinning my knickers to the mast

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"Clever bloke, brilliant strategist...

oi? answer the question lol.

I will not be pinning my knickers to the mast

lol.

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By *renzMan
over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

Do I think Cummings I'd liar?

No, I don't.

But I do think it will be his version of the truth, one that suits his current agenda. Much in the same way he told his truth over his trip out.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

I think that DC is a strategic liar - he will lie when it is to his benefit, or tell the truth when it is to his benefit. For him truth is something that is flexible, he sees no special value in honesty, but I suspect all things being equal, he would be capable of being truthful.

On the other hand I see BJ as being a compulsive liar, the sort of person that will lie even if it ends up putting them at a disadvantage.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I think that DC is a strategic liar - he will lie when it is to his benefit, or tell the truth when it is to his benefit. For him truth is something that is flexible, he sees no special value in honesty, but I suspect all things being equal, he would be capable of being truthful.

On the other hand I see BJ as being a compulsive liar, the sort of person that will lie even if it ends up putting them at a disadvantage. "

Alex cant help himself

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

Alex cant help himself

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By *uboCouple
over a year ago

East kilbride

Don't really care. What is more of an issue is that his ex boss Boris is a habitual liar and nobody seems to mind.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Alex cant help himself

Please don't derail the question. Perhaps give an answer to the OP?

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By CatEvolution OP

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sorry its just a too general question to answer i dont think there are many people who are habitual liars but everyone does now and then.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"Don't really care. What is more of an issue is that his ex boss Boris is a habitual liar and nobody seems to mind."

Yet the question is still:

Who here believes Cummings is a liar?

By CatEvolution OP

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Alex cant help himself

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By CatEvolution OP

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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?

He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Don't really care. What is more of an issue is that his ex boss Boris is a habitual liar and nobody seems to mind."

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

Alex cant help himself

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By CatEvolution OP

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sorry its just a too general question to answer i dont think there are many people who are habitual liars but everyone does now and then."

Okay. NP with that. Pretty much said that at the top.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

The trouble is we need to know the truth to know if hes a liar.

The truth seems to become extinct

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Silly question.. is there an actual point to this thread..apart from asking if someone none of us know very little about a liar?

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

Alex cant help himself

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By CatEvolution OP

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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?

He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea

So good enough - knickers on the mast at last - so he has the ability - like everyone else, to lie. Mostly where it suits and for convenience at times.

TY Lionel.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Surely it's only pertinent of he is lying about a particular issue?

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"Silly question.. is there an actual point to this thread..apart from asking if someone none of us know very little about a liar?"

There is a total point to it.

If he can lie to suit - then just because he says something doesn't make it the truth, does it?

So the point would be, come Wednesday I hope that that fact is reflected in that understanding.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

So the thread has established that people can sometimes not tell the truth?

Earth shattering stuff

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

Were you expecting me to shatter-the-Earth?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Were you expecting me to shatter-the-Earth?

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He has great faith in you.

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By *isandhers691127Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Sounds very much like a pre excuse for when he drops Alex in it.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

So presumably the point of this thread is that, come weds when he tears Alex apart,you can say you all called him a liar the other day?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Sounds very much like a pre excuse for when he drops Alex in it. "

Took my words out of my mouth

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"Sounds very much like a pre excuse for when he drops Alex in it. "

Nope. Sounds like you pick your lie/liar to suit your politics.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

I have also made my position very very clear:

So. What Cumming will say:

'That there was a policy of herd immunity' - I remember us all discussing that idea as it leaked from No10 at the time.

Some of the Science was saying that was the way and other science was saying not in this case because covid is more infectious and deadly than that. (it didn't help to make that judgement clearly at the time when China were hiding their death rates from the world).

But eventually - in one month that Policy was dropped.

What Cumming won't say:

'That there was a policy of herd immunity, being considered' and 'that I was a part of that'.

You mark my words.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"So presumably the point of this thread is that, you can say you all called him a liar the other day?"

Absolutely. Yes. I have no problem at all with that analysis.

And I will remind you of it too.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"So presumably the point of this thread is that, you can say you all called him a liar the other day?

Absolutely. Yes. I have no problem at all with that analysis.

And I will remind you of it too.

The knickers have most definitely been nailed and hoisted

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"So presumably the point of this thread is that, you can say you all called him a liar the other day?

Absolutely. Yes. I have no problem at all with that analysis.

And I will remind you of it too.

The knickers have most definitely been nailed and hoisted

As you can see they are half French half British lol.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I actually thought that Shakespeare thing was a wind up

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"So presumably the point of this thread is that, you can say you all called him a liar the other day?

Absolutely. Yes. I have no problem at all with that analysis.

And I will remind you of it too.

The knickers have most definitely been nailed and hoisted

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hoisted is the wrong way to go.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"So presumably the point of this thread is that, you can say you all called him a liar the other day?

Absolutely. Yes. I have no problem at all with that analysis.

And I will remind you of it too.

The knickers have most definitely been nailed and hoisted

hoisted is the wrong way to go.

Don't worry ... it won't take much for the knickers of lies to be pulled down...

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"So presumably the point of this thread is that, you can say you all called him a liar the other day?

Absolutely. Yes. I have no problem at all with that analysis.

And I will remind you of it too.

The knickers have most definitely been nailed and hoisted

hoisted is the wrong way to go.

Don't worry ... it won't take much for the knickers of lies to be pulled down..."

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

"Silly question.. is there an actual point to this thread..apart from asking if someone none of us know very little about a liar?

There is a total point to it.

If he can lie to suit - then just because he says something doesn't make it the truth, does it?

So the point would be, come Wednesday I hope that that fact is reflected in that understanding.

Why wednesday ?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Silly question.. is there an actual point to this thread..apart from asking if someone none of us know very little about a liar?"
ofcorse he’s a fucking liar that’s why he got the job

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Yeah he's a liar if hes nabbed and gets caught out, but tjonk he's accurate emough with grassing up others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*i think

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

He is a poor lier as his latest claims are proved false by the facts.The actions of the government prove him 100% wrong

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"He is a poor lier as his latest claims are proved false by the facts.The actions of the government prove him 100% wrong"

How long was he advising the gmnt for again?

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

How long was he advising the gmnt for again?"

Can we just stick to the accepted abbreviation 'gov'? or maybe govt?

The Lionel version is never going to catch on with anyone else despite constant exposure on here!

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

He’s a lying scheming skilled strategist. Lies comfortably in situations such a Barnard where proof is hard to get. Don’t think he lies when there’s an absolute truth to be seen.

Would I trust his words over Boris?? Absolutely

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"He is a poor lier as his latest claims are proved false by the facts.The actions of the government prove him 100% wrong"

Can we have an example please? I’ve maybe missed something here.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

It's not really a very useful question.

There are very few people who lie 100% of the time, or indeed who tell the truth 100% of the time.

Cummings might tell the truth about what this government did, or he might lie. We can only really judge based on the evidence, not by deciding whether or not he is "a liar".

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"It's not really a very useful question.

There are very few people who lie 100% of the time, or indeed who tell the truth 100% of the time.

Cummings might tell the truth about what this government did, or he might lie. We can only really judge based on the evidence, not by deciding whether or not he is "a liar". "

Exactly

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By *ockdownerMan
over a year ago

Preston

"It's a simple question?

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Some aspects yes

Other aspects no

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By *ockdownerMan
over a year ago

Preston

Alex cant help himself

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sorry its just a too general question to answer i dont think there are many people who are habitual liars but everyone does now and then."

Boris qualifies but the question wasn't about him

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By *renzMan
over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?

He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea

Given what you have said there, you must be a drinking buddy of Boris!

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

Alex cant help himself

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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?

He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea

So good enough - knickers on the mast at last - so he has the ability - like everyone else, to lie. Mostly where it suits and for convenience at times.

TY Lionel.

Yes like everyone he can lie. He is clever enough to do it in a way that its hard or impossible to prove otherwise. During the specsavers time to the castle I clearly said he should face the same punishment as anyone else. At the time several wanted extra punishment for him. I do wonder if Boris or his other aides let him do the castle press conference knowing it would discredit him and that may pay dividends later if he ever turned on them like he has now. Knickers on mast Cat, feel free to remove lol

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

Alex cant help himself

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By CatEvolution OP

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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?

He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea

So good enough - knickers on the mast at last - so he has the ability - like everyone else, to lie. Mostly where it suits and for convenience at times.

TY Lionel.

Of course Buggered it up Johnson didnt let him do it .

Cummings went to glaxo welcome at Durham & the castle as that is the site that was producing the 1st batches of

The Vaccine . Contracts had to be finalised

With his expert eyes & deals were done .

If theyd just said that in the 1st place people may have accepted

His rule breaking as actually doing some good .

They couldnt though as the vaccine hadnt been finalised .

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Alex cant help himself

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By CatEvolution OP

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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?

He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea

Given what you have said there, you must be a drinking buddy of Boris! "

Alex speaks on parliament and (supposedly)has to answer questions.

Cummings doesn't

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

Alex cant help himself

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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?

He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea

So good enough - knickers on the mast at last - so he has the ability - like everyone else, to lie. Mostly where it suits and for convenience at times.

TY Lionel.

Of course Buggered it up Johnson didnt let him do it .

Cummings went to glaxo welcome at Durham & the castle as that is the site that was producing the 1st batches of

The Vaccine . Contracts had to be finalised

With his expert eyes & deals were done .

If theyd just said that in the 1st place people may have accepted

His rule breaking as actually doing some good .

They couldnt though as the vaccine hadnt been finalised ."

I did say I wonder if.....

As I say he is very good at coming up with statements that are very hard to disprove

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

If they would have jettisoned him at the time, it would have blown over.

As it was they bent over backwards to excuse him,even giving him his own press conference and succeeded in only discrediting themselves and allowing a whole culture of 'well they do it,why shouldn't we?

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over a year ago

"If they would have jettisoned him at the time, it would have blown over.

They knew he had to much knowledge

Keep your friends close

Keep your enemies closer.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"If they would have jettisoned him at the time, it would have blown over.

They knew he had to much knowledge

Keep your friends close

Keep your enemies closer. "

Yep he had a massive hold over them.

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

"If they would have jettisoned him at the time, it would have blown over.

I too thought he would go at the time and later quietly come back but they chose to go down the press conference route. Personally I don't think D.C. done his credibility any good in the whole saga. Maybe you feel he was ok and ended with credibility intact but not for me. This is my opinion , I'm not claiming facts

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"If they would have jettisoned him at the time, it would have blown over.

He was a charlaton then and he is a charlaton now.

The difference is,I wasnt defending him 12 months agom

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

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His Barnard Castle explanation in the back garden of Downing Street was an illustration of how a pathological liar can lie so effectively that he absolutely believed that his lies were true.

Interestingly, back then Johnson and the whole cabinet supported Cummings. Now they claim that he is “mistaken” in his recollections about Herd Immunity, Johnson’s lack of responsibility and the ineptitude of the Cabinet.

If he (Cummings) has receipts and he presents those receipts tomorrow there will have to be some furious back-peddling by those who are currently accusing him of being “mistaken.”

Personally speaking and for three reasons - I hope that he has kept the receipts and they are aired. 1) The families of those who died deserve to hear about the Governments incompetence. 2) Johnson needs exposing for what he is, as often as possible. 3) The theatre that will result from the publication of the receipts.

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

"If they would have jettisoned him at the time, it would have blown over.

He was a charlaton then and he is a charlaton now.

The difference is,I wasnt defending him 12 months agom"

actually neither did I but did say he should face the same punishment as everyone elsedo you think the account he gave helped or hindered his credablity

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"It's a simple question?

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His Barnard Castle explanation in the back garden of Downing Street was an illustration of how a pathological liar can lie so effectively that he absolutely believed that his lies were true.

If he (Cummings) has receipts and he presents those receipts tomorrow there will have to be some furious back-peddling by those who are currently accusing him of being “mistaken.”

Spot on

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

Yeh, he's a liar, but then so is Boris.

They don't care about the elderly in this pandemic.

One day they'll be old, karma.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

Well he's started his evidence and if the first few minutes is a taster then a lot of skeletons are going to be uncovered today.

Opened with an apology for thousands of unnecessary deaths and said the government (and himself) have let the country down.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Well he's started his evidence and if the first few minutes is a taster then a lot of skeletons are going to be uncovered today.

Opened with an apology for thousands of unnecessary deaths and said the government (and himself) have let the country down. "

I remember people getting actually slated for saying they didnt take it seriously at the start.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Hancock getting thrown under the bus

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Hancock getting thrown under the bus"

That is exactly what I was about to say…. It sounds like the department of health was an absolute shambles

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Hancock getting thrown under the bus

That is exactly what I was about to say…. It sounds like the department of health was an absolute shambles "

The entire gmnt was.

Letting that clown anywhere near a situation this serous was borderline criminal.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Hancock getting thrown under the bus

That is exactly what I was about to say…. It sounds like the department of health was an absolute shambles

The entire gmnt was.

Letting that clown anywhere near a situation this serous was borderline criminal.

Who knew that Jeremy hunt was actually the more competent health secretary…. Boris isn’t coming out of this looking good either…

The winner in all this so far has been rishi Sunak! This is being teed up for him to be the next pm!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Inject me live on tv...genuinely frightening we have an actual moron running the country.

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes

"Inject me live on tv...genuinely frightening we have an actual moron running the country."
He also said Corbyn was worst

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Inject me live on tv...genuinely frightening we have an actual moron running the country.He also said Corbyn was worst"

Thanks for your input

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Money before lives..shocked I tells ya

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Inject me live on tv...genuinely frightening we have an actual moron running the country.

He also said Corbyn was worst"

Actually… he didn’t!

What he actually is that the political classes need to take a look at themselves for giving us a choice between Johnson and Corbyn…….

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes

Sorry,I stand corrected Fabio

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

Cummings is certainly talking well currently... I'm very easily convinced by manipulators though!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

It doesn't matter if you have got great people doing communications..if the pm changes his mind 10 times a day and then calls up the media and contradicts his policy..you are going to have a disaster zone '

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"It doesn't matter if you have got great people doing communications..if the pm changes his mind 10 times a day and then calls up the media and contradicts his policy..you are going to have a disaster zone '

Certainly Cummings perspective on it.

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

Would trust Cummings more Boris and his bunch of clowns.

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By *sussexyMan
over a year ago

Lewes

Finding this really difficult tbh. He is coming across as a reasonable, rational human being. Admitting blame. Even potentially has a better story than the Rose Garden (but he can't tell us, obvs).

Might need a day or two to recalibrate...

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

This really is quite damning stuff isn’t it!!

He is basically articulating the failures from within that the critics on the outside have been surmising for the last 18 months.

Johnson is out of his depth - check

Hancock is lying Charlatan - check

Johnson is chaotic and lacks focus - check

The Govts Covid response was shambolic - check

Ten of thousands died unnecessarily - check

I mean this is what critics on the outside have been saying all along - and here we have the same allegations being confirmed - from the inside.

Is he (Cummings) still a liar? Probably - but what exactly is his motive for lying about these things?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"This really is quite damning stuff isn’t it!!

He is basically articulating the failures from within that the critics on the outside have been surmising for the last 18 months.

Johnson is out of his depth - check

Hancock is lying Charlatan - check

Johnson is chaotic and lacks focus - check

The Govts Covid response was shambolic - check

Ten of thousands died unnecessarily - check

I mean this is what critics on the outside have been saying all along - and here we have the same allegations being confirmed - from the inside.

Is he (Cummings) still a liar? Probably - but what exactly is his motive for lying about these things? "

They have basically let 1000s of people die.Can you get any more damming than that?

Procurement is a shambles and they have lied all the way through.

We are governed by incompetents,liars and trumpesque buffoons but it will make no difference.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Tbh there were mistakes made in every governments initial response globally to what was a massive issue..

To have made the same mistakes in the September with all the information available from the first wave was criminally negligent, end of..

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

So the let the bodies pile high comments were true. Wow…..

I can’t quite figure out if The stuff in the lead up to lockdown 2 was just incompetent or criminally negligent.. it sounds like they learnt nothing….

Also if it is true Hancock lied about the care home situation.. that is sackable enough on its own…

Also interesting that it was Johnson alone who thought it was a good idea to pick a fight with Marcus rashford

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I have not understood from day one as to how Hancock has retained his position or even got it.

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes

Not a fan of Boris or the conservative,s they and the rest of the political people are all full of bullshit and wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked them in the face

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over a year ago

"Not a fan of Boris or the conservative,s they and the rest of the political people are all full of bullshit and wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked them in the face"

I wouldn't trust them or Cummings.

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes

Wouldn’t trust any politician

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By *urboTongue21Man
over a year ago

Walsall

The comment early on about Jeremy Hunt being a better Health Secretary...get real, it was on his watch too that we had a test exercise which proved we couldn't handle a pandemic and he left DH unprepared with no plan or procurement.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"The most disappointing thing about all of this is to see the respected and highly regarded contributors to the political forum positively salivating at the comments made today by a man who a year ago was being hung drawn and quartered for being nothing more than a bare-faced lier.

The spirit of the Westminster political bubble is very much alive here in Fabland

No one is saying that he isn't an untrustworthy liar, but what is his motivation to lie now?

All he has done is validate the speculation, rumour and innuendo that has been floating around for the last 15 months and confirmed it to be true.

How more honest could he be on this occasion by saying that the political system in the UK should have been more robust than to let anyone like him (Ciummings) get anywhere near Downing Street. He acknowledged his failures, he apologised and he (seemingly) laid out the truth that had been speculated for more than a year.

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By *ockdownerMan
over a year ago

Preston

"I have not understood from day one as to how Hancock has retained his position or even got it. "

Goes for the majority of ministers really.

Ohh, Yes, Get Brexit Done was the only thing you had to say over and over to be appointed by Boris.

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By *renzMan
over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

The spirit of the Westminster political bubble is very much alive here in Fabland

Because it suits many people's agendas. He's either a liar or he's not. If he is and I suspect he is, then the feeding _renzy on here is a wonder to behold!

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

I agree rishi is probably smiling underneath knowing he is coming out of this quite well placed. The scene described by Cummings of half of downing street talking with Americans about bombing Iraq, the other half discussing the pandemic and all the time the PM's girlfriend going mad about her dog was like some sort of sitcom. For motive I am guessing revenge. He is not the type to get on the wrong side of. Could we be seeing heads roll?

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over a year ago

"I agree rishi is probably smiling underneath knowing he is coming out of this quite well placed. The scene described by Cummings of half of downing street talking with Americans about bombing Iraq, the other half discussing the pandemic and all the time the PM's girlfriend going mad about her dog was like some sort of sitcom. For motive I am guessing revenge. He is not the type to get on the wrong side of. Could we be seeing heads roll?"

I don't think so.

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By *urboTongue21Man
over a year ago

Walsall

In order to be in this cabinet you had to have been sacked or left it before...what goes around...

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

There is obviously a lot of bitterness there. As interesting as dishing the dirt is... And as much as it backs up many of the things that people have been saying. You can't have advisors washing this kind of dirty laundry in public. I don't think anyone is surprised he got his sharp knives out. Whether it's for the good of the country or not is debatable.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

The spirit of the Westminster political bubble is very much alive here in Fabland

Because it suits many people's agendas. He's either a liar or he's not. If he is and I suspect he is, then the feeding _renzy on here is a wonder to behold! "

I think that you will find the whole of the country is somewhat perplexed by all this.

Bottom line is that Johnson invited Cummings into the heart of Government.

This will reverberate and I am sure that there will be consequences.

It is all just too much now.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

I hope he has a good pension plan because anyone else who employed him would be a fool

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By *sussexyMan
over a year ago

Lewes

"It is all just too much now."

You think? There is enough evidence above that Tory votes will just shrug and move on.

Brexit has gone really well, after all, and that is all anyone wanted.

Although I opened the first thread on here over a year ago about when Boris was going to go and whether Sunak would replace him I am beginning to think that decency has left the building and he is safe for the foreseeable...

I hope I am wrong. Every day I am more ashamed to be British.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a simple question?

Go . . . "

Yes he is.

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By *sussexyMan
over a year ago

Lewes

"I hope he has a good pension plan because anyone else who employed him would be a fool

Who you talking about? The PM? The whole cabinet? DC? Goes for all of them from what I can see.

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend

"I hope he has a good pension plan because anyone else who employed him would be a fool

although the governments handling of Covid has been shambolic it has not got any worse since D C left No.10 so shows he is as incompetent as the rest of them

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By *ockdownerMan
over a year ago

Preston

None of Boris's ministers heads will role while Boris is in power.

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By *ockdownerMan
over a year ago

Preston

In order to be in this cabinet you had to have been sacked or left it before...what goes around..."

That's very true

I've never known a UK government that rewards and champions failure as this one does.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

The spirit of the Westminster political bubble is very much alive here in Fabland

Because it suits many people's agendas. He's either a liar or he's not. If he is and I suspect he is, then the feeding _renzy on here is a wonder to behold!

I think that you will find the whole of the country is somewhat perplexed by all this.

Bottom line is that Johnson invited Cummings into the heart of Government.

This will reverberate and I am sure that there will be consequences.

It is all just too much now."

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

Brexit has gone really well, after all, and that is all anyone wanted."

Really?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"There is obviously a lot of bitterness there. As interesting as dishing the dirt is... And as much as it backs up many of the things that people have been saying. You can't have advisors washing this kind of dirty laundry in public. I don't think anyone is surprised he got his sharp knives out. Whether it's for the good of the country or not is debatable. "

What was he supposed to do… lie to a parliamentary committee and found in contempt….

Actually knowing that Johnson and cummings both spoke to Laura kuensburg at the bbc and were briefing her off the record as a Downing Street source I went back and listened to a 2 part podcast she did commemorating 1yr of covid and the progress and pitfalls…

It’s puts that in such a different light

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By *sussexyMan
over a year ago

Lewes

Brexit has gone really well, after all, and that is all anyone wanted.

Really? "

Sorry - I should have made clearer that I was being ironic.

To be clear, the _only_ thing that I think this government has done to an acceptable level is the vaccine roll-out. Even there I question whether we needed to be as greedy as we have been and have a fear that the rest of world being deprived of the vaccines we have snaffled may lead to us being hit by a resistant variant at some point in the future.

I think Brexit, both in conception, half arsed planning and execution has been and continues to be a disaster. I am convinced it will end the union, and perhaps lead for further loss of life in the island of Ireland.

I am still hopeful that some very senior members of government will end up in prison on manslaughter charges for the tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, but I realise the burden of proof on that is pretty high.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Watching Cummings “highlights” on the evening news and the highlights were worse than the live event.

This was beyond appalling.

Did we think that Government had a handle on this? No, but they assured us they were. It appears now that they were not.

If Hancock dies on this hill, he won’t be the only one.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

The reason Boris and Hancock are still where they are is no one wants to carry the can for the mess or clear up their mess or inherit their mess. Leaving them there to struggle through the quagmire and face up to their responsibilities.

Quite rightly. Watch how they get lambasted now. The kitchen is on gas mark 10.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I knew The " protective ring around care homes" was a load of bollocks at the time, before Cummings made comments about it being nonsense

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"It's a simple question?

Go . . . "

He's as much of a liar as you are.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

The only red faces on here are the ones who seemed to be suffering from some sort of amnesia as they were all defending him last year.

Worrying

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By *renzMan
over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

"The only red faces on here are the ones who seemed to be suffering from some sort of amnesia as they were all defending him last year.

Worrying "

It is worrying. I don't remember many, if any defending him. What I do remember is a lot of people saying he was a lying scumbag, who couldn't be trusted.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The only red faces on here are the ones who seemed to be suffering from some sort of amnesia as they were all defending him last year.

Worrying

It is worrying. I don't remember many, if any defending him. What I do remember is a lot of people saying he was a lying scumbag, who couldn't be trusted. "

I can remember it vividly

As can other posters

Strange.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

"Not a liar as such but an expert at bending the truth"

They all do that.

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By *loughing the landMan
over a year ago

Cambridge

It looks like we can safely ignore what Dominic Cummings has to say . I am surprised that anyone could even be bothered listening to him . See quote below .

"But in the short term, “ministers believe that Cummings’s evidence will hold little sway with the public”, says Steven Swinford in The Times. A YouGov poll for the newspaper found that only 14% of people trusted Cummings to tell the truth about how the government handled the coronavirus outbreak, compared with 38% for Johnson. "

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Nearly 40% of people believe what comes out of Alex's mouth.

That's a sobering thought

On the bright side it means at least 60% can recognise an habitual liar.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"It looks like we can safely ignore what Dominic Cummings has to say . I am surprised that anyone could even be bothered listening to him . See quote below .

They must all feel very proud of that achievement...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont know about others.

but who do you really trust?

and why would you?

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By *ockdownerMan
over a year ago

Preston

"It looks like we can safely ignore what Dominic Cummings has to say . I am surprised that anyone could even be bothered listening to him . See quote below .

Reading your posts on here gives me the impression you could be one of them 420 friendly type of guys

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"i dont know about others.

but who do you really trust?

and why would you?"

Trouble is.. Even if St Peter paul and David Attenborough were in charge.... The media would twist things to foment distrust. They thrive on it

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

So far it is just his word against others. What he needs to do is provide some firm evidence to back up his version of events. I think he may be planning to do that at some point, most likely when it causes most damage

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

jeremy the visionary was going to lead labour to a new dawn..... the young voters were behind him... several years on he is just a sad old man with some shit ideas and a cap!

Thats the trouble with the truth! visionary or dreamer? most of the debates are not factual or provable they are just someones view on the subject... place your bets place your bets and spin the wheel of truth.... roll up roll up..... heard immunity or lock down.... boom or bust....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ha- a liar saying another liar is telling lies and is judged as being a liar.

But worse, lie to the public.

Be careful what you incite and don’t be surprised for the devil to bite you back= moral of the story

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"So far it is just his word against others. What he needs to do is provide some firm evidence to back up his version of events. I think he may be planning to do that at some point, most likely when it causes most damage "

I'm certain that DC will produce the evidence. Whatever else he may be (sociopathic perhaps?), he is clearly not stupid, he was very likely the most intelligent person in Downing Street at the time. He will have copies of everything he needed to protect himself, and the only thing which might deter him from releasing some items would be the need to avoid incriminating himself. However his framing himself as the victim, the one attempting to preserve lives but being continually overruled by the stupidity and cruelty of the cabinet, perfectly positions him to show the lot.

The aphorism "revenge is a dish best served cold" might be very applicable to his actions. Make verbal statements. Allow members of the government to deny things. Then produce physical evidence to crucify them. Covid may just be the start, I'm would imagine that he has the dirt on every single one of them back to the first day that he commenced working for Mr Johnson.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

It's quite interesting the bodies piled high comment has not recieved much coverage, seeing as the buffoon stood up in parliament and said he didnt say it.

Its also quite funny the Tories turning on Cummings now for lying, when they are run by a man who wouldnt know the truth if it got into bed with him.

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