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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it. "It’s not rocket science really but people will always play the no understandy card to try and get around the rules. Amber means don’t go unless it’s an emergency or maybe business, holidays are not necessary so if you travel to an amber country don’t moan if it turns red and you cop for the enforced hotel stay when returning 
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
It’s not rocket science really but people will always play the no understandy card to try and get around the rules.
Amber means don’t go unless it’s an emergency or maybe business, holidays are not necessary so if you travel to an amber country don’t moan if it turns red and you cop for the enforced hotel stay when returning
" As a test a few days ago we picked an amber and a green destination and the rules are simple to understand. | |||
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"I agree with this. It's not so much the confusion really as it is the keeping tabs on those amber holidaymakers when the come back. I mean, why stress the system when it can just be Red or Green. I'm also in favour of nobody going on holiday abroad this season anyway. " To be fair i dont think the amber is for people going on holiday (but some will always push the boundaries) and it is not what it there for. Should people have to take out loans (his idea) to isolate in a hotel when visiting a medium risk country for a death for instance? | |||
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"I agree with this. It's not so much the confusion really as it is the keeping tabs on those amber holidaymakers when the come back. I mean, why stress the system when it can just be Red or Green. I'm also in favour of nobody going on holiday abroad this season anyway. To be fair i dont think the amber is for people going on holiday (but some will always push the boundaries) and it is not what it there for. Should people have to take out loans (his idea) to isolate in a hotel when visiting a medium risk country for a death for instance?" People are doing it though. I listened to a woman with her family going on holiday to an amber and the interviewer asked if they really should be going. Her answer was that they deserved a holiday. When she was asked about isolation coming back she said 'We'll see.' | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1438075/covid-traffic-light-system-oversees-travel-confusion-bbc-newsnight-latest-ont/amp Because there the current system is perfectly clear presumably. Didnt they completely contradict themselves last week?" What bit did you not understand then? | |||
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"From the .gov Red Amber Page: "Amber list of countries and territories You should not travel to amber list countries or territories." That is just too confusing for Labour? Jeese we are in trouble!!!!" This was kind of the point labour still dont seem to have got the message that the British people are not stupid and trying to treat them as so will not work. The other point is i thought they were for the working people, someone who is rich has no problem paying for hotel quarantine on return but someone who lost a relative for instance would then have to take a loan out to cover the cost.This does not seem like a policy for working class people. | |||
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"Obvs the quote from the travel agent saying it was too confusing.. didnt actually happen" Of course it happened i doubt they made it up ,so is it confusing because a travel agent told you it was or can you genuinely not understand the traffic light system? | |||
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"Obvs the quote from the travel agent saying it was too confusing.. didnt actually happen" The Travel Agent is in the wrong job if it's too confusing for them then. I wouldn't travel with them if they were. But actually I think they were making the general point that 'Nobody would benefit from a confused system'. Least of all travel agents. But I will ask again Lionel - Do you think that the rules are confusing? *****Don't Travel to Amber List Countries**** | |||
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"And I quote..only labour and ne are confused CNN https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnn.com/travel/amp/uk-travel-traffic-light-system-confusion-cmd/index.html Travel weekly https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/hancock-creates-confusion-over-traffic-light-travel-rules Lbc https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/news/explained/amber-list-countries-rules/ But it's nothing to do with the gmnt.. its labours fault
Comical "Do you think the rules are confusing a simple question which you should not find hard to answer or are we going to go down the usual route ? | |||
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"I agree with this. It's not so much the confusion really as it is the keeping tabs on those amber holidaymakers when the come back. I mean, why stress the system when it can just be Red or Green. I'm also in favour of nobody going on holiday abroad this season anyway. " I do agree with this I feel there should be no overseas holidays for reasons stated but if there must be then a red and green system only | |||
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"It is comical I tottaly agree. How can they be confused by it? It's quite shocking really. *********Don't travel to Amber/Red list Countries************ I admit I read this over a cup of tea and a hobnob and then discussed it with my hubby then we rang friends and asked them . . . Then we all slept on it and got back in touch in the morning. And decided that . . . *********Don't travel to Amber/Red list Countries************ Actually means . . . *********Don't travel to Amber/Red list Countries************ Boi Phew! What a 24 hours that was!" So what did you decide im on tender hooks waiting for the result. | |||
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"I've seen all aspects of the travel industry pushing foreign travel last week. They seem to want to push the rules to the limit. The advice is quite clear on the Goverment website. I'm sure it won't be long before we see people being caught outside of quarantine. " And that's my point exactly - the travel industry don't want any rules - people will push them - pundits will make the sound confusing because there is political mischief out of them. Labour are really showing themselves to be confused if they think that . . . *********Don't travel to Amber/Red list Countries************ Is confusing. They have more work to do than we first thought. | |||
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"It is comical I tottaly agree. How can they be confused by it? It's quite shocking really. *********Don't travel to Amber/Red list Countries************ I admit I read this over a cup of tea and a hobnob and then discussed it with my hubby then we rang friends and asked them . . . Then we all slept on it and got back in touch in the morning. And decided that . . . *********Don't travel to Amber/Red list Countries************ Actually means . . . *********Don't travel to Amber/Red list Countries************ Boi Phew! What a 24 hours that was!So what did you decide im on tender hooks waiting for the result. "I'm confused lol. | |||
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"It is comical I tottaly agree. How can they be confused by it? It's quite shocking really. *********Don't travel to Amber/Red list Countries************ I admit I read this over a cup of tea and a hobnob and then discussed it with my hubby then we rang friends and asked them . . . Then we all slept on it and got back in touch in the morning. And decided that . . . *********Don't travel to Amber/Red list Countries************ Actually means . . . *********Don't travel to Amber/Red list Countries************ Boi Phew! What a 24 hours that was!" You and your shadow have just stated there is no confusion and the thread is a dig at labour for questioning it. You said me and the labour party where the only people confused. I've provided 4 separate sources to completely disprove your theory. I know the tories can do no wrong on here,but I have destroyed your argument completely. | |||
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"Its back to people trying to adapt and bend the rules to try and suit their circumstances. " Sadly. | |||
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"Its back to people trying to adapt and bend the rules to try and suit their circumstances. " Of course some will use mental health as a reason others they have not seen their families and i think this is the reason for the amber on medium risk countries the gov dont want the country to become a nanny state. | |||
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"It is comical I tottaly agree. How can they be confused by it? It's quite shocking really. *********Don't travel to Amber/Red list Countries************ I admit I read this over a cup of tea and a hobnob and then discussed it with my hubby then we rang friends and asked them . . . Then we all slept on it and got back in touch in the morning. And decided that . . . *********Don't travel to Amber/Red list Countries************ Actually means . . . *********Don't travel to Amber/Red list Countries************ Boi Phew! What a 24 hours that was! You and your shadow have just stated there is no confusion and the thread is a dig at labour for questioning it. You said me and the labour party where the only people confused. I've provided 4 separate sources to completely disprove your theory. I know the tories can do no wrong on here,but I have destroyed your argument completely." Are you confused about the guidelines? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/amber-list-george-eustice-confusion-holidays-2021-visit-friends-b935750.html%3famp Eustace also seems confused..but nope sorry its just me and labour " I have posted the guidelines so i hope you are not confused now. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/amber-list-george-eustice-confusion-holidays-2021-visit-friends-b935750.html%3famp Eustace also seems confused..but nope sorry its just me and labour I have posted the guidelines so i hope you are not confused now. "Oh Daley I'll type this once. Just for you. In order for you to not rather desperately ask me over and over again. You started a thread ripping into labour for not understanding the guidelines. I have since posted 4 separate links showing the confusion was quite widespread.Numerous other news outlets also ran with the story I even quoted a tory mp who contradicted his own party. So to sum up,yet another thread to try and rip into labour, when once again its yet another fuck up by the lying buffon, has backfired somewhat. And your rather desperate attempt to turn this thread about me ,are in vain I'm afraid as not once have I said I dont understand. Better luck next time | |||
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"Blimey how is this confusing? Of course if the media say only go to red and amber if emergency, health or business and quarantine on return it's very easy to understand they have to find another story, if they say its confusing they can then fill loads of air time instead of looking at a proper story. Usual suspects are trying to find an issue though" When you say usual suspects..do you mean CNN and the travel industry? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/amber-list-george-eustice-confusion-holidays-2021-visit-friends-b935750.html%3famp Eustace also seems confused..but nope sorry its just me and labour I have posted the guidelines so i hope you are not confused now.
Oh Daley
I'll type this once.
Just for you.
In order for you to not rather desperately ask me over and over again.
You started a thread ripping into labour for not understanding the guidelines.
I have since posted 4 separate links showing the confusion was quite widespread.Numerous other news outlets also ran with the story
I even quoted a tory mp who contradicted his own party.
So to sum up,yet another thread to try and rip into labour, when once again its yet another fuck up by the lying buffon, has backfired somewhat.
And your rather desperate attempt to turn this thread about me ,are in vain I'm afraid as not once have I said I dont understand.
Better luck next time
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"Blimey how is this confusing? Of course if the media say only go to red and amber if emergency, health or business and quarantine on return it's very easy to understand they have to find another story, if they say its confusing they can then fill loads of air time instead of looking at a proper story. Usual suspects are trying to find an issue though When you say usual suspects..do you mean CNN and the travel industry?" You, but I'm glad you now admit you know the rules so have understood them,if YOU can surely the travel professional should have no trouble | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/amber-list-george-eustice-confusion-holidays-2021-visit-friends-b935750.html%3famp Eustace also seems confused..but nope sorry its just me and labour I have posted the guidelines so i hope you are not confused now.
Oh Daley
I'll type this once.
Just for you.
In order for you to not rather desperately ask me over and over again.
You started a thread ripping into labour for not understanding the guidelines.
I have since posted 4 separate links showing the confusion was quite widespread.Numerous other news outlets also ran with the story
I even quoted a tory mp who contradicted his own party.
So to sum up,yet another thread to try and rip into labour, when once again its yet another fuck up by the lying buffon, has backfired somewhat.
And your rather desperate attempt to turn this thread about me ,are in vain I'm afraid as not once have I said I dont understand.
Better luck next time
So you do understand, therefore they arent confusing "The clue was probally in that I never once said I didnt understand What i said was there was confusion around and posted 5 links backing this up. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/amber-list-george-eustice-confusion-holidays-2021-visit-friends-b935750.html%3famp Eustace also seems confused..but nope sorry its just me and labour I have posted the guidelines so i hope you are not confused now.
Oh Daley
I'll type this once.
Just for you.
In order for you to not rather desperately ask me over and over again.
You started a thread ripping into labour for not understanding the guidelines.
I have since posted 4 separate links showing the confusion was quite widespread.Numerous other news outlets also ran with the story
I even quoted a tory mp who contradicted his own party.
So to sum up,yet another thread to try and rip into labour, when once again its yet another fuck up by the lying buffon, has backfired somewhat.
And your rather desperate attempt to turn this thread about me ,are in vain I'm afraid as not once have I said I dont understand.
Better luck next time
So you do understand, therefore they arent confusing
The clue was probally in that I never once said I didnt understand
What i said was there was confusion around and posted 5 links backing this up."Once again, you arent confused so must have understood what the government have laid down, now either you are a genius or those confused are either thick or the media are causing it | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/amber-list-george-eustice-confusion-holidays-2021-visit-friends-b935750.html%3famp Eustace also seems confused..but nope sorry its just me and labour I have posted the guidelines so i hope you are not confused now.
Oh Daley
I'll type this once.
Just for you.
In order for you to not rather desperately ask me over and over again.
You started a thread ripping into labour for not understanding the guidelines.
I have since posted 4 separate links showing the confusion was quite widespread.Numerous other news outlets also ran with the story
I even quoted a tory mp who contradicted his own party.
So to sum up,yet another thread to try and rip into labour, when once again its yet another fuck up by the lying buffon, has backfired somewhat.
And your rather desperate attempt to turn this thread about me ,are in vain I'm afraid as not once have I said I dont understand.
Better luck next time
So you do understand, therefore they arent confusing
The clue was probally in that I never once said I didnt understand
What i said was there was confusion around and posted 5 links backing this up.
Once again, you arent confused so must have understood what the government have laid down, now either you are a genius or those confused are either thick or the media are causing it "You can read the links yourself You also realise.gmnt completely contradicted themselves? | |||
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"From the .gov Red Amber Page: "Amber list of countries and territories You should not travel to amber list countries or territories." That is just too confusing for Labour? Jeese we are in trouble!!!!This was kind of the point labour still dont seem to have got the message that the British people are not stupid and trying to treat them as so will not work. The other point is i thought they were for the working people, someone who is rich has no problem paying for hotel quarantine on return but someone who lost a relative for instance would then have to take a loan out to cover the cost.This does not seem like a policy for working class people. " I don’t think it’s a Labour thing I think the people travelling from the U.K. to an amber country for a holiday should be stopped. We moan about people arriving with the likes of the Indian variant and then fly off to other countries risked higher than green and should only be visited in an emergency, for a jolly risking our own and our friends health. Seems a bit stupid to me ! Not sure if the government are more stupid allowing it or those going saying they deserve a trip after enduring lockdown. This pandemic isn’t over yet but suspect the odds look good so they say it’s worth the risk to sit by the pool. Hmmm really??? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/amber-list-george-eustice-confusion-holidays-2021-visit-friends-b935750.html%3famp Eustace also seems confused..but nope sorry its just me and labour I have posted the guidelines so i hope you are not confused now.
Oh Daley
I'll type this once.
Just for you.
In order for you to not rather desperately ask me over and over again.
You started a thread ripping into labour for not understanding the guidelines.
I have since posted 4 separate links showing the confusion was quite widespread.Numerous other news outlets also ran with the story
I even quoted a tory mp who contradicted his own party.
So to sum up,yet another thread to try and rip into labour, when once again its yet another fuck up by the lying buffon, has backfired somewhat.
And your rather desperate attempt to turn this thread about me ,are in vain I'm afraid as not once have I said I dont understand.
Better luck next time
So you do understand, therefore they arent confusing
The clue was probally in that I never once said I didnt understand
What i said was there was confusion around and posted 5 links backing this up."Yes so do you believe those threads? as it seems you are saying you understand them and no one else on here seems confused why on earth does the labour party think its too confusing ? | |||
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"From the .gov Red Amber Page: "Amber list of countries and territories You should not travel to amber list countries or territories." That is just too confusing for Labour? Jeese we are in trouble!!!!This was kind of the point labour still dont seem to have got the message that the British people are not stupid and trying to treat them as so will not work. The other point is i thought they were for the working people, someone who is rich has no problem paying for hotel quarantine on return but someone who lost a relative for instance would then have to take a loan out to cover the cost.This does not seem like a policy for working class people. I don’t think it’s a Labour thing I think the people travelling from the U.K. to an amber country for a holiday should be stopped. We moan about people arriving with the likes of the Indian variant and then fly off to other countries risked higher than green and should only be visited in an emergency, for a jolly risking our own and our friends health. Seems a bit stupid to me ! Not sure if the government are more stupid allowing it or those going saying they deserve a trip after enduring lockdown. This pandemic isn’t over yet but suspect the odds look good so they say it’s worth the risk to sit by the pool. Hmmm really??? " Of couse its nothing to do with labour. It's another rather pitiful attempt to score points. You would think if you supported a party headed By an inept lying corrupt charlaton, you would keep shtum | |||
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"From the .gov Red Amber Page: "Amber list of countries and territories You should not travel to amber list countries or territories." That is just too confusing for Labour? Jeese we are in trouble!!!!This was kind of the point labour still dont seem to have got the message that the British people are not stupid and trying to treat them as so will not work. The other point is i thought they were for the working people, someone who is rich has no problem paying for hotel quarantine on return but someone who lost a relative for instance would then have to take a loan out to cover the cost.This does not seem like a policy for working class people. I don’t think it’s a Labour thing I think the people travelling from the U.K. to an amber country for a holiday should be stopped. We moan about people arriving with the likes of the Indian variant and then fly off to other countries risked higher than green and should only be visited in an emergency, for a jolly risking our own and our friends health. Seems a bit stupid to me ! Not sure if the government are more stupid allowing it or those going saying they deserve a trip after enduring lockdown. This pandemic isn’t over yet but suspect the odds look good so they say it’s worth the risk to sit by the pool. Hmmm really??? " Well why did mick thomas symonds say the amber should all be in the red and to not have an amber at all as its too confusing he is the shadow home secretary? This was the original question. | |||
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"Why has Dehenna Davison tory mp Said people visiting amber list countries Can be fined for going on jollies ?" maybe because you are reading daily mirror headlines and not the whole thing. ravellers can, however, be fined if they lie about their quarantine details when they get home to the UK, as Ms Davison also said. Amber list travellers who fail to isolate on return for up to 10 days in their home also face a hefty fine. I think i now see the problem ,its not the guidelines its people just reading headlines and not the whole article maybe some should tell the shadow home secretary that. | |||
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"Why has Dehenna Davison tory mp Said people visiting amber list countries Can be fined for going on jollies ? maybe because you are reading daily mirror headlines and not the whole thing. ravellers can, however, be fined if they lie about their quarantine details when they get home to the UK, as Ms Davison also said. Amber list travellers who fail to isolate on return for up to 10 days in their home also face a hefty fine. I think i now see the problem ,its not the guidelines its people just reading headlines and not the whole article maybe some should tell the shadow home secretary that. " I didnt read any headlines I heard her say it directly | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it. "Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this. You either can travel, or you can’t. Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless. | |||
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"Why has Dehenna Davison tory mp Said people visiting amber list countries Can be fined for going on jollies ?" . Surely the answer is self explanatory. You simply satisfy the criteria for visiting an Amber list country and adhere to the rules. Failure to adhere to the self isolation rules on return could result in a fine . The government intend to do about 10000 checks per day. The rules seem very clear to me . I need to travel to a country on the Amber list but have decided not to as I do not want to self isolate | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless. "We can agree on that point indeed . | |||
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"Anyone claiming confusion over the traffic light travel system really needs to avoid docks, ports, airports like the fekin plauge for the rest of their fooking lives "Maybe the mixing of red amber & green list passengers In 1 space & mixing had something to do with it . Probably why heathrow has opened terminal 3 . So it can seperate Red list arrivals from amber & Green list . But not until the 1st of june https://www.google.com/amp/s/simpleflying.com/heathrow-red-list-terminal/amp/ | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless. "This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter. They don't and they won't. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't. "I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green? The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it. Green - you can go Red - you can't go No one would then be able to say its 'confusing' | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'"Do businesses not need amber or is that not classed as essential? | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'"Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'
Do businesses not need amber or is that not classed as essential?"Business travel has always been on a different set of rules | |||
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Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it. "I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'. We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity "I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do."Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something. I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines "some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary. The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing. "Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon . Late to lockdown Under an excuse about Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list . It just seems like the Tories hadnt really though it through . Or they were gambling that vaccine protection was good enough to risk it . But then they lock down later anyway . | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
"The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly Never mind | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind"hows that then ? even you said you weren't confused. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind"Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is? Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong. That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind
Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is?
Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong.
That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree."The op claimed only labour were confused At the last count I've provided at least 6 separate sources contradicting this. I've also provided a quote from a tory mp completely contradicting the gmnt. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind
Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is?
Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong.
That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree.
The op claimed only labour were confused
At the last count I've provided at least 6 separate sources contradicting this.
I've also provided a quote from a tory mp completely contradicting the gmnt."Have you read the OP? If you have you’ll see that you're confused because it didn't say only Labour were confused. My above comment still stands. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it. "Apparently this doesmt meant only labour were confused Yeah me too.. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind
Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is?
Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong.
That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree.
The op claimed only labour were confused
At the last count I've provided at least 6 separate sources contradicting this.
I've also provided a quote from a tory mp completely contradicting the gmnt.
Have you read the OP? If you have you’ll see that you're confused because it didn't say only Labour were confused.
My above comment still stands."No i said labour think people are confused his words not mine. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind
Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is?
Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong.
That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree.
The op claimed only labour were confused
At the last count I've provided at least 6 separate sources contradicting this.
I've also provided a quote from a tory mp completely contradicting the gmnt.
Have you read the OP? If you have you’ll see that you're confused because it didn't say only Labour were confused.
My above comment still stands."Another post further up says only me and the labour party were confused There really should be beeping with the amount of back tracking on here. | |||
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Apparently this doesmt meant only labour were confused
Yeah me too.."Can you translate for me? I fail to see what you are reading. | |||
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Outstanding
A thread entirely devoted to the labour party failing to understand is now apparently nothing to do with the labour party. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind
Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is?
Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong.
That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree.
The op claimed only labour were confused
At the last count I've provided at least 6 separate sources contradicting this.
I've also provided a quote from a tory mp completely contradicting the gmnt.
Have you read the OP? If you have you’ll see that you're confused because it didn't say only Labour were confused.
My above comment still stands.
Another post further up says only me and the labour party were confused
There really should be beeping with the amount of back tracking on here."I seen you say 'and I quote' but I can't see what you're quoting. Please help me out here Lionel, I actually wanna be on your side | |||
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"What other conclusion can you come to? just as a straw poll no one on here has said they find it confusing so why do the labour party or is it as i said they are just jumping on the media bandwagon? " Well surely the conclusion to come to it is this We have Rules because we know not everyone is a competent capable Human being . Unfortunately we have to make clear rules for our Slowest movers & thinkers | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind
Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is?
Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong.
That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree.
The op claimed only labour were confused
At the last count I've provided at least 6 separate sources contradicting this.
I've also provided a quote from a tory mp completely contradicting the gmnt.
Have you read the OP? If you have you’ll see that you're confused because it didn't say only Labour were confused.
My above comment still stands.
Another post further up says only me and the labour party were confused
There really should be beeping with the amount of back tracking on here.
I seen you say 'and I quote' but I can't see what you're quoting. Please help me out here Lionel, I actually wanna be on your side"I truly camt be bothered The point of the thread is to rip into labour for saying people were confused Even.the title of the thread states labour wants to put every country on the red list Now somehow, its apparently nothing to do with labour. I really cant be arsed arguing that black ismt white. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind
Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is?
Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong.
That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree.
The op claimed only labour were confused
At the last count I've provided at least 6 separate sources contradicting this.
I've also provided a quote from a tory mp completely contradicting the gmnt.
Have you read the OP? If you have you’ll see that you're confused because it didn't say only Labour were confused.
My above comment still stands.
Another post further up says only me and the labour party were confused
There really should be beeping with the amount of back tracking on here."Not quiet right again ,i ask you if you were confused which you refused to answer (surprise surprise) and went on to list the guidelines for you.My statement still stands labour said that people were confused and just want red and green i guess they either think we are not intelligent enough for a traffic light system or they are jumping on the bandwagon,which is it? | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind
Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is?
Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong.
That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree.
The op claimed only labour were confused
At the last count I've provided at least 6 separate sources contradicting this.
I've also provided a quote from a tory mp completely contradicting the gmnt.
Have you read the OP? If you have you’ll see that you're confused because it didn't say only Labour were confused.
My above comment still stands.
Another post further up says only me and the labour party were confused
There really should be beeping with the amount of back tracking on here.
I seen you say 'and I quote' but I can't see what you're quoting. Please help me out here Lionel, I actually wanna be on your side
I truly camt be bothered
The point of the thread is to rip into labour for saying people were confused
Even.the title of the thread states labour wants to put every country on the red list
Now somehow, its apparently nothing to do with labour.
I really cant be arsed arguing that black ismt white."No one has said it's nothing to do with Labour. I said Costa didn't say it's only Labour. Stop trying to read stuff that isn't there and read what people actually write, you may get a little more out of debates. | |||
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"What other conclusion can you come to? just as a straw poll no one on here has said they find it confusing so why do the labour party or is it as i said they are just jumping on the media bandwagon? Well surely the conclusion to come to it is this We have Rules because we know not everyone is a competent capable Human being . Unfortunately we have to make clear rules for our Slowest movers & thinkers " Is that the way you would like this country to go then and would you like it to apply to all walks of life? | |||
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"What other conclusion can you come to? just as a straw poll no one on here has said they find it confusing so why do the labour party or is it as i said they are just jumping on the media bandwagon? Well surely the conclusion to come to it is this We have Rules because we know not everyone is a competent capable Human being . Unfortunately we have to make clear rules for our Slowest movers & thinkers Is that the way you would like this country to go then and would you like it to apply to all walks of life?" It already does apply to all walks of life doesnt it ? Some people can drive quite competently when they are smashed out of there trees.on alcohol . But Sarah couldnt & she killed someone So now none of can do it Cheers Sarah !! Some People love to get out of there heads on Drugs , But Steve did that & tyen stabbed some one & Now none of us can do it Cheers Steve !!! I have just completely Lifted a Jim Jeffries routine for you ( Its the guns one if you want ot see it Its really funny ). | |||
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"What other conclusion can you come to? just as a straw poll no one on here has said they find it confusing so why do the labour party or is it as i said they are just jumping on the media bandwagon? Well surely the conclusion to come to it is this We have Rules because we know not everyone is a competent capable Human being . Unfortunately we have to make clear rules for our Slowest movers & thinkers Is that the way you would like this country to go then and would you like it to apply to all walks of life? It already does apply to all walks of life doesnt it ? Some people can drive quite competently when they are smashed out of there trees.on alcohol . But Sarah couldnt & she killed someone So now none of can do it Cheers Sarah !! Some People love to get out of there heads on Drugs , But Steve did that & tyen stabbed some one & Now none of us can do it Cheers Steve !!! I have just completely Lifted a Jim Jeffries routine for you ( Its the guns one if you want ot see it Its really funny ). " No i dont think it does in the uk, how would you feel about going down the france route for instance locked up at home after 7 pm until 6 am ?i think they may have extended until 9 pm now.Spain was the same until recently too. | |||
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" The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly " Just shows the Labour representative to be stupid, actually. 'Don't Travel to Amber List Countries' That's so confusing. I mean really? If you can understand it Lionel. Then you answer your own question by having to admit that others must to and if they say that they don't then there must be another agenda going on. | |||
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" The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly Just shows the Labour representative to be stupid, actually. 'Don't Travel to Amber List Countries' That's so confusing. I mean really? If you can understand it Lionel. Then you answer your own question by having to admit that others must to and if they say that they don't then there must be another agenda going on. " I have actually given up because you are not debating what has been posted but what he thinks your hidden agenda is for posting it. you cannot possibly have a debate like that. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind
Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is?
Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong.
That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree.
The op claimed only labour were confused
At the last count I've provided at least 6 separate sources contradicting this.
I've also provided a quote from a tory mp completely contradicting the gmnt.
Have you read the OP? If you have you’ll see that you're confused because it didn't say only Labour were confused.
My above comment still stands.
Another post further up says only me and the labour party were confused
There really should be beeping with the amount of back tracking on here.
I seen you say 'and I quote' but I can't see what you're quoting. Please help me out here Lionel, I actually wanna be on your side
I truly camt be bothered
The point of the thread is to rip into labour for saying people were confused
Even.the title of the thread states labour wants to put every country on the red list
Now somehow, its apparently nothing to do with labour.
I really cant be arsed arguing that black ismt white.
No one has said it's nothing to do with Labour. I said Costa didn't say it's only Labour.
Stop trying to read stuff that isn't there and read what people actually write, you may get a little more out of debates."And I quote..only you and labour dont understand Like I said I really camt be arsed arguing that grass isnt green The fact that the thread has been consistently shifted only what I believe shows how desperate it has become. | |||
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" And I quote..only you and labour dont understand Like I said I really camt be arsed arguing that grass isnt green The fact that the thread has been consistently shifted only what I believe shows how desperate it has become." And again . . . as you love to walk right past logic and truth . . . with a 'can't be arsed' or a 'standard' Just shows the Labour representative to be stupid, actually. 'Don't Travel to Amber List Countries' That's so confusing. I mean really? If you can understand it Lionel. Then you answer your own question by having to admit that others must to and if they say that they don't then there must be another agenda going on. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/amber-list-george-eustice-confusion-holidays-2021-visit-friends-b935750.html%3famp Eustace also seems confused..but nope sorry its just me and labour " It was you who said that i ask several times if you was and you never answered. So please dont accuse me of saying things you actually said yourself. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind
Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is?
Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong.
That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree.
The op claimed only labour were confused
At the last count I've provided at least 6 separate sources contradicting this.
I've also provided a quote from a tory mp completely contradicting the gmnt.
Have you read the OP? If you have you’ll see that you're confused because it didn't say only Labour were confused.
My above comment still stands.
Another post further up says only me and the labour party were confused
There really should be beeping with the amount of back tracking on here.
I seen you say 'and I quote' but I can't see what you're quoting. Please help me out here Lionel, I actually wanna be on your side
I truly camt be bothered
The point of the thread is to rip into labour for saying people were confused
Even.the title of the thread states labour wants to put every country on the red list
Now somehow, its apparently nothing to do with labour.
I really cant be arsed arguing that black ismt white.
No one has said it's nothing to do with Labour. I said Costa didn't say it's only Labour.
Stop trying to read stuff that isn't there and read what people actually write, you may get a little more out of debates.
And I quote..only you and labour dont understand
Like I said I really camt be arsed arguing that grass isnt green
The fact that the thread has been consistently shifted only what I believe shows how desperate it has become."Who are you quoting? It's quite simple, I can't see it so am asking  | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind
Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is?
Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong.
That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree.
The op claimed only labour were confused
At the last count I've provided at least 6 separate sources contradicting this.
I've also provided a quote from a tory mp completely contradicting the gmnt.
Have you read the OP? If you have you’ll see that you're confused because it didn't say only Labour were confused.
My above comment still stands.
Another post further up says only me and the labour party were confused
There really should be beeping with the amount of back tracking on here.
I seen you say 'and I quote' but I can't see what you're quoting. Please help me out here Lionel, I actually wanna be on your side
I truly camt be bothered
The point of the thread is to rip into labour for saying people were confused
Even.the title of the thread states labour wants to put every country on the red list
Now somehow, its apparently nothing to do with labour.
I really cant be arsed arguing that black ismt white.
No one has said it's nothing to do with Labour. I said Costa didn't say it's only Labour.
Stop trying to read stuff that isn't there and read what people actually write, you may get a little more out of debates.
And I quote..only you and labour dont understand
Like I said I really camt be arsed arguing that grass isnt green
The fact that the thread has been consistently shifted only what I believe shows how desperate it has become.
Who are you quoting?
It's quite simple, I can't see it so am asking "No.confusion at all.except for the labour party 23 hrs ago. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind
Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is?
Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong.
That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree.
The op claimed only labour were confused
At the last count I've provided at least 6 separate sources contradicting this.
I've also provided a quote from a tory mp completely contradicting the gmnt.
Have you read the OP? If you have you’ll see that you're confused because it didn't say only Labour were confused.
My above comment still stands.
Another post further up says only me and the labour party were confused
There really should be beeping with the amount of back tracking on here.
I seen you say 'and I quote' but I can't see what you're quoting. Please help me out here Lionel, I actually wanna be on your side
I truly camt be bothered
The point of the thread is to rip into labour for saying people were confused
Even.the title of the thread states labour wants to put every country on the red list
Now somehow, its apparently nothing to do with labour.
I really cant be arsed arguing that black ismt white.
No one has said it's nothing to do with Labour. I said Costa didn't say it's only Labour.
Stop trying to read stuff that isn't there and read what people actually write, you may get a little more out of debates.
And I quote..only you and labour dont understand
Like I said I really camt be arsed arguing that grass isnt green
The fact that the thread has been consistently shifted only what I believe shows how desperate it has become.
Who are you quoting?
It's quite simple, I can't see it so am asking
No.confusion at all.except for the labour party
23 hrs ago."Telling half a story
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Countries with far better Covid outcomes than ours seem to have a handle on this.
You either can travel, or you can’t.
Amber (a U.K. idea) is pointless.
This is a problem when Goverment expects people to use their common sense, and to obey the restrictions to the letter.
They don't and they won't.
I personally don't think the rules are confusing at all. However, why not justvhave red and green?
The inclusion of Amber allows people to try to push that line and we all know if there is a line people will push it.
Green - you can go
Red - you can't go
No one would then be able to say its 'confusing'Maybe because we don't have an authoritarian government but one that doesn't want to make rules at the expense of personal freedom for the sake of it.
I agree Costa. I'm just stating that its the only way to eliminate 'confusion'.
We all know people will play the 'confused' card at any opportunity, and the current set of rules allows that opportunity I agree but to be honest its the press creating its own news,if the gov said all amber are red they would be kicking up about that and asking why the likes of spain for instance are on the same list as india.So you either have an authoritarian gov or you dont personally i dont need to be told i will follow advice i guess some do.
Yeah I guess you're right. There will always be someone who has to have a whinge about something.
I feel it's got much worse this last year too. I struggle to cope with that more than actually following the guidelines some people need clear rules as you say otherwise they will bend them to suit themselves.Im happy to live in a country where if i cant sleep i can go for a walk along the seafront at midnight without getting hit with a massive fine for breaking a curfew or if something happened to a family member abroad im not banned from going but can make a judgement as to whether its necessary.
The point of the thread was that labour were just jumping on the press bandwagon and that they are not that stupid to believe the guidelines are confusing.
Surely the Press are just picking up the bandwagon .
Late to lockdown
Under an excuse about
Pakistan & Bangaldesh being red listed
But India with a score between the 2 wasnt on the Red list .
It just seems like the Tories hadnt
really though it through .
Or they were gambling that vaccine protection
was good enough to risk it .
But then they lock down later anyway .
The point of the thread was a ridiculous pop at labour and its backfired spectacularly
Never mind
Surely the point of the thread is whatever the OP says it is?
Costa has said he feels Labour are jumping on the bandwagon. Nothing has backfired because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily mean he is right or wrong.
That's the whole point in fora. People can have opinions, others can disagree.
The op claimed only labour were confused
At the last count I've provided at least 6 separate sources contradicting this.
I've also provided a quote from a tory mp completely contradicting the gmnt.
Have you read the OP? If you have you’ll see that you're confused because it didn't say only Labour were confused.
My above comment still stands.
Another post further up says only me and the labour party were confused
There really should be beeping with the amount of back tracking on here.
I seen you say 'and I quote' but I can't see what you're quoting. Please help me out here Lionel, I actually wanna be on your side
I truly camt be bothered
The point of the thread is to rip into labour for saying people were confused
Even.the title of the thread states labour wants to put every country on the red list
Now somehow, its apparently nothing to do with labour.
I really cant be arsed arguing that black ismt white.
No one has said it's nothing to do with Labour. I said Costa didn't say it's only Labour.
Stop trying to read stuff that isn't there and read what people actually write, you may get a little more out of debates.
And I quote..only you and labour dont understand
Like I said I really camt be arsed arguing that grass isnt green
The fact that the thread has been consistently shifted only what I believe shows how desperate it has become.
Who are you quoting?
It's quite simple, I can't see it so am asking
No.confusion at all.except for the labour party
23 hrs ago."ffs read what is written instead of what you think, for the last time labour think the people are confused by the amber and want it to be red .His words not mine ,again i cannot see how he thinks people are confused. | |||
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"What other conclusion can you come to? just as a straw poll no one on here has said they find it confusing so why do the labour party or is it as i said they are just jumping on the media bandwagon? Well surely the conclusion to come to it is this We have Rules because we know not everyone is a competent capable Human being . Unfortunately we have to make clear rules for our Slowest movers & thinkers Is that the way you would like this country to go then and would you like it to apply to all walks of life? It already does apply to all walks of life doesnt it ? Some people can drive quite competently when they are smashed out of there trees.on alcohol . But Sarah couldnt & she killed someone So now none of can do it Cheers Sarah !! Some People love to get out of there heads on Drugs , But Steve did that & tyen stabbed some one & Now none of us can do it Cheers Steve !!! I have just completely Lifted a Jim Jeffries routine for you ( Its the guns one if you want ot see it Its really funny ). No i dont think it does in the uk, how would you feel about going down the france route for instance locked up at home after 7 pm until 6 am ?i think they may have extended until 9 pm now.Spain was the same until recently too." France only went into its 3rd Lockdown in april As we were starting to come out of ours .. Remember ours was pretty much a 24 hour thing Except for exercise of course. Still im sure you'll look for some place else to say blah blah blah about . | |||
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"Lionel why don't you just wait for the corner of the room that you have painted yourself into to dry. Please consider carefully . . . 'Do not travel to Amber list countries' If 'you' understand it - then everyone else must too. If they say that they don't then they must be trouble making or really struggle to understand most things. " https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/amber-list-advice-confusing-b1849930.html%3famp George eustace was unavailable for comment | |||
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"What other conclusion can you come to? just as a straw poll no one on here has said they find it confusing so why do the labour party or is it as i said they are just jumping on the media bandwagon? Well surely the conclusion to come to it is this We have Rules because we know not everyone is a competent capable Human being . Unfortunately we have to make clear rules for our Slowest movers & thinkers Is that the way you would like this country to go then and would you like it to apply to all walks of life? It already does apply to all walks of life doesnt it ? Some people can drive quite competently when they are smashed out of there trees.on alcohol . But Sarah couldnt & she killed someone So now none of can do it Cheers Sarah !! Some People love to get out of there heads on Drugs , But Steve did that & tyen stabbed some one & Now none of us can do it Cheers Steve !!! I have just completely Lifted a Jim Jeffries routine for you ( Its the guns one if you want ot see it Its really funny ). No i dont think it does in the uk, how would you feel about going down the france route for instance locked up at home after 7 pm until 6 am ?i think they may have extended until 9 pm now.Spain was the same until recently too. France only went into its 3rd Lockdown in april As we were starting to come out of ours .. Remember ours was pretty much a 24 hour thing Except for exercise of course. Still im sure you'll look for some place else to say blah blah blah about . " Its not about finding places to blah blah blah about im pointing out that we have been pretty rule free in regards to freedom of choice and that other countries have been more totalitarian in their approach and im happy to live in a country that is. | |||
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"What other conclusion can you come to? just as a straw poll no one on here has said they find it confusing so why do the labour party or is it as i said they are just jumping on the media bandwagon? Well surely the conclusion to come to it is this We have Rules because we know not everyone is a competent capable Human being . Unfortunately we have to make clear rules for our Slowest movers & thinkers Is that the way you would like this country to go then and would you like it to apply to all walks of life? It already does apply to all walks of life doesnt it ? Some people can drive quite competently when they are smashed out of there trees.on alcohol . But Sarah couldnt & she killed someone So now none of can do it Cheers Sarah !! Some People love to get out of there heads on Drugs , But Steve did that & tyen stabbed some one & Now none of us can do it Cheers Steve !!! I have just completely Lifted a Jim Jeffries routine for you ( Its the guns one if you want ot see it Its really funny ). No i dont think it does in the uk, how would you feel about going down the france route for instance locked up at home after 7 pm until 6 am ?i think they may have extended until 9 pm now.Spain was the same until recently too. France only went into its 3rd Lockdown in april As we were starting to come out of ours .. Remember ours was pretty much a 24 hour thing Except for exercise of course. Still im sure you'll look for some place else to say blah blah blah about . Its not about finding places to blah blah blah about im pointing out that we have been pretty rule free in regards to freedom of choice and that other countries have been more totalitarian in their approach and im happy to live in a country that is. " Oh blimey Pretty rule free in regards to our freedom of choice So lockdown from 20th december roughly To what last week when we started getting a bit of freedom . Nearly 5 months of a near total lockdown of normal life. | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it. "Actually I think he is right… you should either be able to go or not go… no grey lines! Also from a traveller rules you have abta compensation and refund rules applied in red… but not in amber… | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Actually I think he is right… you should either be able to go or not go… no grey lines!
Also from a traveller rules you have abta compensation and refund rules applied in red… but not in amber… "if you want to gamble and book a flight when advised not to why should you get compo? There are no grey lines it is very simple to understand. | |||
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"6 separate links 1 Tory minister Questions asked in parliament Travel agency quotes The head of easyjet =1 person "We have a population of 68,204,010 people. That's Sixty Eight Million Two Hundred and Four Thousand and Ten People (in plain text just so that there is no confusion over the number). And you quote that You and perhaps 6 (Six) other people think it's confusing? Jeeesus we really should try harder to get this right. lol | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Actually I think he is right… you should either be able to go or not go… no grey lines!
Also from a traveller rules you have abta compensation and refund rules applied in red… but not in amber… if you want to gamble and book a flight when advised not to why should you get compo? There are no grey lines it is very simple to understand."Actually it’s not…. If you have been rolling it over.. as has been your right… whilst the uk legal advice has been do not travel.. you can get a refund or reboot with no penalty As soon as a country becomes “amber” you lose that protection.. so if you decide not to travel, both travel companies and flight operators are under no obligation to refund or rebook you without penalty…. As those services are running within uk guidelines… the same rules will apply to travel insurance and various travel compensation schemes There are your grey areas….. Let’s play devils advocate So for example….say You had been optimistic and had booked flights 6 months ago to travel to the us.. and it was supposed to go next week …. Because it’s amber you would now……. What? Fill in the blank for me… Remember no guarantee of refund! change the date and pay a penalty! go but have no travel insurance! | |||
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"6 separate links 1 Tory minister Questions asked in parliament Travel agency quotes The head of easyjet =1 person
We have a population of 68,204,010 people.
That's Sixty Eight Million Two Hundred and Four Thousand and Ten People (in plain text just so that there is no confusion over the number).
And you quote that You and perhaps 6 (Six) other people think it's confusing?
Jeeesus we really should try harder to get this right. lol
"Is that number including or minus the 127,000 dead from tory f*ck ups over covid lockdowns ? | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Actually I think he is right… you should either be able to go or not go… no grey lines!
Also from a traveller rules you have abta compensation and refund rules applied in red… but not in amber… if you want to gamble and book a flight when advised not to why should you get compo? There are no grey lines it is very simple to understand.
Actually it’s not…. If you have been rolling it over.. as has been your right… whilst the uk legal advice has been do not travel.. you can get a refund or reboot with no penalty
As soon as a country becomes “amber” you lose that protection.. so if you decide not to travel, both travel companies and flight operators are under no obligation to refund or rebook you without penalty…. As those services are running within uk guidelines… the same rules will apply to travel insurance and various travel compensation schemes
There are your grey areas…..
Let’s play devils advocate
So for example….say You had been optimistic and had booked flights 6 months ago to travel to the us.. and it was supposed to go next week …. Because it’s amber you would now……. What? Fill in the blank for me…
Remember no guarantee of refund! change the date and pay a penalty! go but have no travel insurance! "I think that's what's called checkmate | |||
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" On Andrew Marr this morning Nick Thomas Symonds shadow home secretary wants all amber list countries put on the red list because he thinks people cant understand it.
Actually I think he is right… you should either be able to go or not go… no grey lines!
Also from a traveller rules you have abta compensation and refund rules applied in red… but not in amber… if you want to gamble and book a flight when advised not to why should you get compo? There are no grey lines it is very simple to understand.
Actually it’s not…. If you have been rolling it over.. as has been your right… whilst the uk legal advice has been do not travel.. you can get a refund or reboot with no penalty
As soon as a country becomes “amber” you lose that protection.. so if you decide not to travel, both travel companies and flight operators are under no obligation to refund or rebook you without penalty…. As those services are running within uk guidelines… the same rules will apply to travel insurance and various travel compensation schemes
There are your grey areas…..
Let’s play devils advocate
So for example….say You had been optimistic and had booked flights 6 months ago to travel to the us.. and it was supposed to go next week …. Because it’s amber you would now……. What? Fill in the blank for me…
Remember no guarantee of refund! change the date and pay a penalty! go but have no travel insurance! "If i had booked a flight 6 months ago in the middle of a pandemic (which i wouldnt have) i would have thought there's a very high chance that i wont be going and i certainly would not be gambling that i would definitly be getting a refund.Anyone who did this are either stupid or have more money than sense. | |||
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