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"Seeing as job losses and gains are now apparently politics,the construction leadership council has predicted that over 370,000 jobs could be lost over the next few years with developers making the deepest cuts. The construction workforce is expected to shrink by 1.3% One in 6 firms are expected to make redundancies Welcome to the brave new Brexit world " That doesn’t sound great, are we still allowed to use forecasts on here ? | |||
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"Seeing as job losses and gains are now apparently politics,the construction leadership council has predicted that over 370,000 jobs could be lost over the next few years with developers making the deepest cuts. The construction workforce is expected to shrink by 1.3% One in 6 firms are expected to make redundancies Welcome to the brave new Brexit world That doesn’t sound great, are we still allowed to use forecasts on here ? " I'm not sure What I do know know if there is a paper round going somewhere is completely to do with brexit. However any jobs losses are absolutely nothing to do with the eu Hope that helps  | |||
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By the way lionel it said 37,000 not 370,000 a slight difference.  | |||
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"Seeing as job losses and gains are now apparently politics,the construction leadership council has predicted that over 370,000 jobs could be lost over the next few years with developers making the deepest cuts. The construction workforce is expected to shrink by 1.3% One in 6 firms are expected to make redundancies Welcome to the brave new Brexit world " Sounds like scare mongering to me, probably an agenda behind it. | |||
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" By the way lionel it said 37,000 not 370,000 a slight difference. " | |||
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"If you look at the ONS figures you will see that most job loses were in 25 and under and in Hospitality as a result of the Pandemic closures. But these have slowed significantly now with re-opening (obviously)." This is to do with construction which seems strange to me as there is at least 4 developments going on within a 3 mile radius from me as we speak. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/24/british-high-street-lost-11000-shops-in-2020-study-shows More bad news I'm afraid " Yea. Very indeed. Hardly un-expected though bearing in mind they were mostly closed for 6 months during this last lockdown. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/24/british-high-street-lost-11000-shops-in-2020-study-shows More bad news I'm afraid " https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/03/almost-190000-uk-retail-jobs-lost-since-first-covid-lockdown Retail is really struggling I am afraid,  | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/24/british-high-street-lost-11000-shops-in-2020-study-shows More bad news I'm afraid " Is this to do with the brand new brexit world or does it specifically say due to the covid crisis?
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"https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/24/british-high-street-lost-11000-shops-in-2020-study-shows More bad news I'm afraid https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/03/almost-190000-uk-retail-jobs-lost-since-first-covid-lockdown Retail is really struggling I am afraid, "I'm sure Alex has a cunning plan to resolve it | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/24/british-high-street-lost-11000-shops-in-2020-study-shows More bad news I'm afraid https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/03/almost-190000-uk-retail-jobs-lost-since-first-covid-lockdown Retail is really struggling I am afraid,
I'm sure Alex has a cunning plan to resolve it
"Yeah, I think he is going till build a tunnel to Northern Ireland, I wonder whatever happened to that idea? | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/24/british-high-street-lost-11000-shops-in-2020-study-shows More bad news I'm afraid https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/03/almost-190000-uk-retail-jobs-lost-since-first-covid-lockdown Retail is really struggling I am afraid,
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"While I'm happy for you to trash your own post - wasn't it nice just for a moment - that people were actually 'discussing' things? | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/24/british-high-street-lost-11000-shops-in-2020-study-shows More bad news I'm afraid https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/03/almost-190000-uk-retail-jobs-lost-since-first-covid-lockdown Retail is really struggling I am afraid,
I'm sure Alex has a cunning plan to resolve it
Yeah, I think he is going till build a tunnel to Northern Ireland, I wonder whatever happened to that idea? "
I'm sure its just on the backburner..he is going to use the sunny uplands of brexit to turn hartlepool into Shanghai next. | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/24/british-high-street-lost-11000-shops-in-2020-study-shows More bad news I'm afraid https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/03/almost-190000-uk-retail-jobs-lost-since-first-covid-lockdown Retail is really struggling I am afraid,
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Yeah, I think he is going till build a tunnel to Northern Ireland, I wonder whatever happened to that idea?
I'm sure its just on the backburner..he is going to use the sunny uplands of brexit to turn hartlepool into Shanghai next." | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/24/british-high-street-lost-11000-shops-in-2020-study-shows More bad news I'm afraid https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/03/almost-190000-uk-retail-jobs-lost-since-first-covid-lockdown Retail is really struggling I am afraid,
I'm sure Alex has a cunning plan to resolve it
While I'm happy for you to trash your own post - wasn't it nice just for a moment - that people were actually 'discussing' things?
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"Oh dear Cant have a adult discussion now about a post Brexit uncertain future without insults flying around. Sad to see." It doesn’t take long I am afraid, sad times | |||
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"Oh dear Cant have a adult discussion now about a post Brexit uncertain future without insults flying around. Sad to see." Not an insult its a fact anyway back to the question did your link mention brexit or was it about the impact of covid? | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. " Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? | |||
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"Oh dear Cant have a adult discussion now about a post Brexit uncertain future without insults flying around. Sad to see.Not an insult its a fact anyway back to the question did your link mention brexit or was it about the impact of covid?" No idea, probably COVID , or a bit of both? | |||
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"Oh dear Cant have a adult discussion now about a post Brexit uncertain future without insults flying around. Sad to see. It doesn’t take long I am afraid, sad times "It is Its funny how a games shop doing well is a direct result of Brexit but you mention job losses and the insults start flying Depressing to see. | |||
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"Oh dear Cant have a adult discussion now about a post Brexit uncertain future without insults flying around. Sad to see. It doesn’t take long I am afraid, sad times
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Its funny how a games shop doing well is a direct result of Brexit but you mention job losses and the insults start flying
Depressing to see."I know, but you have to rise above it, it’s never nice to see insults on here though, really no need | |||
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"Seeing as job losses and gains are now apparently politics,the construction leadership council has predicted that over 370,000 jobs could be lost over the next few years with developers making the deepest cuts. The construction workforce is expected to shrink by 1.3% One in 6 firms are expected to make redundancies Welcome to the brave new Brexit world " Or maybe just the brave new post Covid world. | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong?" Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong?" This could be the reason when you read futher down and not just the headlines. The CLC said the developer figures may have been impacted by the comparatively small number of respondents of this type, with developers accounting for 6% of responses. | |||
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"Oh dear Cant have a adult discussion now about a post Brexit uncertain future without insults flying around. Sad to see. It doesn’t take long I am afraid, sad times
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Its funny how a games shop doing well is a direct result of Brexit but you mention job losses and the insults start flying
Depressing to see.
I know, but you have to rise above it, it’s never nice to see insults on here though, really no need "It's not pleasant at all | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? " No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong?This could be the reason when you read futher down and not just the headlines. The CLC said the developer figures may have been impacted by the comparatively small number of respondents of this type, with developers accounting for 6% of responses. "Seems like a non story then | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk" Yes its easy to find, as only 6% of developers responded i wouldn't take their prediction as gospel there seems to be a large margin for error . | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk" So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? " Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated "See there you go again no one has said you cant post negative news ffs. | |||
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"Severn Trent Water creating 2500 jobs to build green infrastructure projects. HS2 now ramping up. New Thames crossing to be built. Crossrail 2 may still happen. Every town and village around here has got housing developments on the go. Try getting a builder or a sparky to do a mundane job! " I wouldnt bank on crossrail 2 Sadiq cant even get the first one finished. | |||
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"Severn Trent Water creating 2500 jobs to build green infrastructure projects. HS2 now ramping up. New Thames crossing to be built. Crossrail 2 may still happen. Every town and village around here has got housing developments on the go. Try getting a builder or a sparky to do a mundane job! " The HS2 Tunnelling Trains 'Florence and Cecilia' are on the tracks and tuning-up for the great Chiltern tunnel dig too. | |||
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"Severn Trent Water creating 2500 jobs to build green infrastructure projects. HS2 now ramping up. New Thames crossing to be built. Crossrail 2 may still happen. Every town and village around here has got housing developments on the go. Try getting a builder or a sparky to do a mundane job! The HS2 Tunnelling Trains 'Florence and Cecilia' are on the tracks and tuning-up for the great Chiltern tunnel dig too." Florence started digging last Friday, we drove over the top of her on the M25 on Wednesday | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated "Nothing to do with that. Seems a bit obscure for someone to have knowledge of. But perhaps you are connected to the construction industry? A discussion is a discussion, positive or negative. The problem comes when people are so entrenched in their beliefs there can be no discussion. | |||
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"Severn Trent Water creating 2500 jobs to build green infrastructure projects. HS2 now ramping up. New Thames crossing to be built. Crossrail 2 may still happen. Every town and village around here has got housing developments on the go. Try getting a builder or a sparky to do a mundane job! I wouldnt bank on crossrail 2 Sadiq cant even get the first one finished. "He made sure the previous crossrail bosses got their performance bonuses before they quit though. Very charitable of him. | |||
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"Severn Trent Water creating 2500 jobs to build green infrastructure projects. HS2 now ramping up. New Thames crossing to be built. Crossrail 2 may still happen. Every town and village around here has got housing developments on the go. Try getting a builder or a sparky to do a mundane job! The HS2 Tunnelling Trains 'Florence and Cecilia' are on the tracks and tuning-up for the great Chiltern tunnel dig too. Florence started digging last Friday, we drove over the top of her on the M25 on Wednesday "Did you feel the rumbles lol? | |||
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"Severn Trent Water creating 2500 jobs to build green infrastructure projects. HS2 now ramping up. New Thames crossing to be built. Crossrail 2 may still happen. Every town and village around here has got housing developments on the go. Try getting a builder or a sparky to do a mundane job! The HS2 Tunnelling Trains 'Florence and Cecilia' are on the tracks and tuning-up for the great Chiltern tunnel dig too. Florence started digging last Friday, we drove over the top of her on the M25 on Wednesday
Did you feel the rumbles lol?"Sadly not, but it's a huge site with a lot of jobs. As is the Colne Valley viaduct down the road. Exciting times. | |||
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"Problems in the construction industry The london (labour)mayor. " Its part of his remit mate. The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, in a joint letter with Transport for London (TfL) has responded to the London Assembly Transport Committee report Derailed: Getting Crossrail back on track. In his letter, the Mayor agreed with many of the points made within the report. But, despite the Committee’s direct call for the Commissioner to consider his position in light of all that had gone wrong, the Mayor reiterated his support for TfL’s commissioner, Mike Brown MVO. | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated
Nothing to do with that. Seems a bit obscure for someone to have knowledge of. But perhaps you are connected to the construction industry? A discussion is a discussion, positive or negative. The problem comes when people are so entrenched in their beliefs there can be no discussion."I was simply posting a story that had appeared about concerns in the construction industry as job losses/gains are apparently a political topic now | |||
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"Severn Trent Water creating 2500 jobs to build green infrastructure projects. HS2 now ramping up. New Thames crossing to be built. Crossrail 2 may still happen. Every town and village around here has got housing developments on the go. Try getting a builder or a sparky to do a mundane job! The HS2 Tunnelling Trains 'Florence and Cecilia' are on the tracks and tuning-up for the great Chiltern tunnel dig too. Florence started digging last Friday, we drove over the top of her on the M25 on Wednesday
Did you feel the rumbles lol?
Sadly not, but it's a huge site with a lot of jobs.
As is the Colne Valley viaduct down the road.
Exciting times. "We did a tour of the UK Euro Tunnel Machine on the French side with a group of kids - including putting heads through the sharp end holes for selfies. The scale is Mega Construction job and tools. | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated
Nothing to do with that. Seems a bit obscure for someone to have knowledge of. But perhaps you are connected to the construction industry? A discussion is a discussion, positive or negative. The problem comes when people are so entrenched in their beliefs there can be no discussion.
I was simply posting a story that had appeared about concerns in the construction industry as job losses/gains are apparently a political topic now"Was you really though??? whats with the welcome to the brave new brexit world comment then? | |||
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" I was simply posting a story that had appeared about concerns in the construction industry as job losses/gains are apparently a political topic now" Job loses and gains have always been a Political item when spoken about at a national level. | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated
Nothing to do with that. Seems a bit obscure for someone to have knowledge of. But perhaps you are connected to the construction industry? A discussion is a discussion, positive or negative. The problem comes when people are so entrenched in their beliefs there can be no discussion.
I was simply posting a story that had appeared about concerns in the construction industry as job losses/gains are apparently a political topic now"And I simply responded by saying that I'd spoken to local builders who said the opposite of what you posted. Also the construction sites, large housing developments around my locale have continued seemingly as normal. So do I trust what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears or something that appears to be wrong? From a local perspective. That's local, just in case it's been missed. | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated
Nothing to do with that. Seems a bit obscure for someone to have knowledge of. But perhaps you are connected to the construction industry? A discussion is a discussion, positive or negative. The problem comes when people are so entrenched in their beliefs there can be no discussion.
I was simply posting a story that had appeared about concerns in the construction industry as job losses/gains are apparently a political topic now
And I simply responded by saying that I'd spoken to local builders who said the opposite of what you posted. Also the construction sites, large housing developments around my locale have continued seemingly as normal. So do I trust what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears or something that appears to be wrong? From a local perspective. That's local, just in case it's been missed. "Then surely some areas are more buoyant than others. | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated
Nothing to do with that. Seems a bit obscure for someone to have knowledge of. But perhaps you are connected to the construction industry? A discussion is a discussion, positive or negative. The problem comes when people are so entrenched in their beliefs there can be no discussion.
I was simply posting a story that had appeared about concerns in the construction industry as job losses/gains are apparently a political topic now
And I simply responded by saying that I'd spoken to local builders who said the opposite of what you posted. Also the construction sites, large housing developments around my locale have continued seemingly as normal. So do I trust what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears or something that appears to be wrong? From a local perspective. That's local, just in case it's been missed.
Then surely some areas are more buoyant than others."That's very often the problem when making a generalisation. | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated
Nothing to do with that. Seems a bit obscure for someone to have knowledge of. But perhaps you are connected to the construction industry? A discussion is a discussion, positive or negative. The problem comes when people are so entrenched in their beliefs there can be no discussion.
I was simply posting a story that had appeared about concerns in the construction industry as job losses/gains are apparently a political topic now
And I simply responded by saying that I'd spoken to local builders who said the opposite of what you posted. Also the construction sites, large housing developments around my locale have continued seemingly as normal. So do I trust what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears or something that appears to be wrong? From a local perspective. That's local, just in case it's been missed.
Then surely some areas are more buoyant than others.
That's very often the problem when making a generalisation."Who made a generalization? | |||
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Nothing to do with that. Seems a bit obscure for someone to have knowledge of. But perhaps you are connected to the construction industry? A discussion is a discussion, positive or negative. The problem comes when people are so entrenched in their beliefs there can be no discussion.
I was simply posting a story that had appeared about concerns in the construction industry as job losses/gains are apparently a political topic now
And I simply responded by saying that I'd spoken to local builders who said the opposite of what you posted. Also the construction sites, large housing developments around my locale have continued seemingly as normal. So do I trust what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears or something that appears to be wrong? From a local perspective. That's local, just in case it's been missed.
Then surely some areas are more buoyant than others.
That's very often the problem when making a generalisation.
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Nothing to do with that. Seems a bit obscure for someone to have knowledge of. But perhaps you are connected to the construction industry? A discussion is a discussion, positive or negative. The problem comes when people are so entrenched in their beliefs there can be no discussion.
I was simply posting a story that had appeared about concerns in the construction industry as job losses/gains are apparently a political topic now
And I simply responded by saying that I'd spoken to local builders who said the opposite of what you posted. Also the construction sites, large housing developments around my locale have continued seemingly as normal. So do I trust what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears or something that appears to be wrong? From a local perspective. That's local, just in case it's been missed.
Then surely some areas are more buoyant than others.
That's very often the problem when making a generalisation.
Who made a generalization?
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Because you dont agree with a organisation, who actually work in the business, their opinion/evidence is invalidated.
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"The construction leadership council work between industry and gmnt to identify and deliver actions supporting the uk construction industry and are registered on the uk.gov website. Bunch of charlatatans obvs "And as such they say: From their News Items: @ CLC ***Construction output grew by 5.8% in March 2021, because of growth in both new work (6.7%) and repair and maintenance (4.4%) ***Construction output in March 2021 was 2.4% (£334 million) above the February 2020 pre-pandemic level; repair and maintenance was 7.7% (£377 million) above this level, while new work was 0.5% (£44 million) below. ***Quarterly construction output grew by 2.6% in Quarter 1 (Jan to Mar) 2021 compared with Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2020; this was driven by growth in both new work (2.8%) and repair and maintenance (2.2%). ***New orders increased by 12.2% (£1,227 million) in Quarter 1 2021 compared with Quarter 4 2020; this follows a fall of 7.8% (£848 million) in Quarter 4 2020 but was 13.3% lower than Quarter 1 2020. ***The annual rate of construction output price growth was 1.8% in March 2021. | |||
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"The construction leadership council work between industry and gmnt to identify and deliver actions supporting the uk construction industry and are registered on the uk.gov website. Bunch of charlatatans obvs "There you go thanks, now do you think 6% is a good survey to draw those conclusions? | |||
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"Seeing as job losses and gains are now apparently politics,the construction leadership council has predicted that over 370,000 jobs could be lost over the next few years with developers making the deepest cuts. The construction workforce is expected to shrink by 1.3% One in 6 firms are expected to make redundancies Welcome to the brave new Brexit world " . Hello. Are you able to advise when the share prices of construction firms will start to fall due to these anticipated job losses? It seems that investor confidence in construction is high and we have yet to see any sell off dure to lack of confidence. Only two days ago KKR announced a £2 billion bid for John Laing. Do we know the reasons for these job losses. ? Have those leaving decided to seek alternative work elsewhere.? The main problem currently facing the construction industry is shortage of materials and price inflation. Cement is hard to get hold of in large quantities and timber prices are up by 80 %. It can also be quite hard to hire vans or obtain contractors plant. I cannot see anyone in the construction industry being too concerned another job losses . The industry is currently working flat out. Wickes are bring floated on the stock market shortly. | |||
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"Seeing as job losses and gains are now apparently politics,the construction leadership council has predicted that over 370,000 jobs could be lost over the next few years with developers making the deepest cuts. The construction workforce is expected to shrink by 1.3% One in 6 firms are expected to make redundancies Welcome to the brave new Brexit world . Hello. Are you able to advise when the share prices of construction firms will start to fall due to these anticipated job losses? It seems that investor confidence in construction is high and we have yet to see any sell off dure to lack of confidence. Only two days ago KKR announced a £2 billion bid for John Laing. Do we know the reasons for these job losses. ? Have those leaving decided to seek alternative work elsewhere.? The main problem currently facing the construction industry is shortage of materials and price inflation. Cement is hard to get hold of in large quantities and timber prices are up by 80 %. It can also be quite hard to hire vans or obtain contractors plant. I cannot see anyone in the construction industry being too concerned another job losses . The industry is currently working flat out. Wickes are bring floated on the stock market shortly. " We are finding the same in manufacturing. Raw material prices are rising weekly, and some steel is up 30%. Demand is shooting through the roof, and as another poster said, inflation will come to bear down the line. | |||
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"Seeing as job losses and gains are now apparently politics,the construction leadership council has predicted that over 370,000 jobs could be lost over the next few years with developers making the deepest cuts. The construction workforce is expected to shrink by 1.3% One in 6 firms are expected to make redundancies Welcome to the brave new Brexit world . Hello. Are you able to advise when the share prices of construction firms will start to fall due to these anticipated job losses? It seems that investor confidence in construction is high and we have yet to see any sell off dure to lack of confidence. Only two days ago KKR announced a £2 billion bid for John Laing. Do we know the reasons for these job losses. ? Have those leaving decided to seek alternative work elsewhere.? The main problem currently facing the construction industry is shortage of materials and price inflation. Cement is hard to get hold of in large quantities and timber prices are up by 80 %. It can also be quite hard to hire vans or obtain contractors plant. I cannot see anyone in the construction industry being too concerned another job losses . The industry is currently working flat out. Wickes are bring floated on the stock market shortly. I suggest you read the article "Are you reading any of the others posted here? | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated "You're not allowed to post anything negative about Brexit or the government. Politics forum rule #1. | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated
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here we go again where has anyone said that? all i see is that its a very convenient line when you dont want to debate. "Any dissent gets shut down hard and fast. Anyone who questions the government or brexit gets hammered on here. Anyone who questions the brexit good news stories copied and pasted from the Express/Mail etc gets hammered. I actually do want to debate. But 90% of the time you're just hit with a barrage of insults, mockery and ridicule for trying. It's zero fun. | |||
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here we go again where has anyone said that? all i see is that its a very convenient line when you dont want to debate.
Any dissent gets shut down hard and fast.
Anyone who questions the government or brexit gets hammered on here.
Anyone who questions the brexit good news stories copied and pasted from the Express/Mail etc gets hammered.
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here we go again where has anyone said that? all i see is that its a very convenient line when you dont want to debate.
Any dissent gets shut down hard and fast.
Anyone who questions the government or brexit gets hammered on here.
Anyone who questions the brexit good news stories copied and pasted from the Express/Mail etc gets hammered.
I actually do want to debate. But 90% of the time you're just hit with a barrage of insults, mockery and ridicule for trying. It's zero fun. "Spot on | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated
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here we go again where has anyone said that? all i see is that its a very convenient line when you dont want to debate.
Any dissent gets shut down hard and fast.
Anyone who questions the government or brexit gets hammered on here.
Anyone who questions the brexit good news stories copied and pasted from the Express/Mail etc gets hammered.
I actually do want to debate. But 90% of the time you're just hit with a barrage of insults, mockery and ridicule for trying. It's zero fun.
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated
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here we go again where has anyone said that? all i see is that its a very convenient line when you dont want to debate.
Any dissent gets shut down hard and fast.
Anyone who questions the government or brexit gets hammered on here.
Anyone who questions the brexit good news stories copied and pasted from the Express/Mail etc gets hammered.
I actually do want to debate. But 90% of the time you're just hit with a barrage of insults, mockery and ridicule for trying. It's zero fun. "And as you can see above there is lots of debate going on - I have offered at least four items - other posters the same - not one has been discussed by the OP. If ONLY we could get to debating instead of this constant sniping. This board could et back to what it's supposed to be a Political Discussion board. | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated
You're not allowed to post anything negative about Brexit or the government. Politics forum rule #1.
here we go again where has anyone said that? all i see is that its a very convenient line when you dont want to debate.
Any dissent gets shut down hard and fast.
Anyone who questions the government or brexit gets hammered on here.
Anyone who questions the brexit good news stories copied and pasted from the Express/Mail etc gets hammered.
I actually do want to debate. But 90% of the time you're just hit with a barrage of insults, mockery and ridicule for trying. It's zero fun. "I think most of us do mate but you really dont help the cause when your first post on the subject was You're not allowed to post anything negative about Brexit or the government. Politics forum rule #1. that doesnt really say to me you want to debate the subject much and only contributed to a load of other posts that had no bearing on it either. I am very happy to just use this forum for its purpose and debate the subjects it may even lead to getting some answers to questions possed. | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated
You're not allowed to post anything negative about Brexit or the government. Politics forum rule #1.
here we go again where has anyone said that? all i see is that its a very convenient line when you dont want to debate.
Any dissent gets shut down hard and fast.
Anyone who questions the government or brexit gets hammered on here.
Anyone who questions the brexit good news stories copied and pasted from the Express/Mail etc gets hammered.
I actually do want to debate. But 90% of the time you're just hit with a barrage of insults, mockery and ridicule for trying. It's zero fun. I think most of us do mate but you really dont help the cause when your first post on the subject was
You're not allowed to post anything negative about Brexit or the government. Politics forum rule #1.
that doesnt really say to me you want to debate the subject much and only contributed to a load of other posts that had no bearing on it either.
I am very happy to just use this forum for its purpose and debate the subjects it may even lead to getting some answers to questions possed."I get your point. But by the time I posted that comment, it had already descended to the usual. | |||
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"Talking to builders locally, while they were quiet over the lockdowns, they are now inundated with work. The major construction sites locally and there are several, are erecting houses as quickly as possible. I did read somewhere a few days ago that there is now a shortage of materials due to covid. Maybe the construction leadership council have got it wrong? Can only go on what I see and hear locally by talking to actual builders. I also mentioned locally. Now twice. Who are the construction leadership council? What are their affiliations? No idea. I'm not posting the link but it was on building.co.uk So you're trawling the internet to look for negative news? Well no but thank you for letting me know we are only allowed to post job gains now Much appreciated
You're not allowed to post anything negative about Brexit or the government. Politics forum rule #1.
here we go again where has anyone said that? all i see is that its a very convenient line when you dont want to debate.
Any dissent gets shut down hard and fast.
Anyone who questions the government or brexit gets hammered on here.
Anyone who questions the brexit good news stories copied and pasted from the Express/Mail etc gets hammered.
I actually do want to debate. But 90% of the time you're just hit with a barrage of insults, mockery and ridicule for trying. It's zero fun. I think most of us do mate but you really dont help the cause when your first post on the subject was
You're not allowed to post anything negative about Brexit or the government. Politics forum rule #1.
that doesnt really say to me you want to debate the subject much and only contributed to a load of other posts that had no bearing on it either.
I am very happy to just use this forum for its purpose and debate the subjects it may even lead to getting some answers to questions possed.
I get your point. But by the time I posted that comment, it had already descended to the usual.
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"And yet people HAVE posted about job loses and gains here. So you are just making yourself look like it's one snipe after another snipe. Embarrassing "I know Steve at my work is leaving for another job closer to home but I think it’s less money. So it’s kind of a small net loss of a bit of one job. He didn’t mention Brexit though. Not sure if it’s relevant to this discussion? | |||
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"Why can't people just dicuss the op and leave all the other stupid playground shit out of it, nearly every thread is the same we get a few factual posts for discussion and then it turns into this stupid childish playground shit, I think a lot of people on here really need to grow up. Tbh i am going to continue posting what I want when I want (as long as it’s within the rules) and I am going to completely ignore anyone who makes insults . I am not going change just because it doesn’t suit or fit certain people’s agendas at the end of the day it’s supposed to be a bit of fun " Thats your perogative, I will just add thou i have not insulted you or anyone else to my knowledge, and I have no agenda either, it just would be nice to discuss subjects properly in my opinion and I also think it would make the forum a better place and more people would probably contribute. | |||
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"Why can't people just dicuss the op and leave all the other stupid playground shit out of it, nearly every thread is the same we get a few factual posts for discussion and then it turns into this stupid childish playground shit, I think a lot of people on here really need to grow up. Tbh i am going to continue posting what I want when I want (as long as it’s within the rules) and I am going to completely ignore anyone who makes insults . I am not going change just because it doesn’t suit or fit certain people’s agendas at the end of the day it’s supposed to be a bit of fun Thats your perogative, I will just add thou i have not insulted you or anyone else to my knowledge, and I have no agenda either, it just would be nice to discuss subjects properly in my opinion and I also think it would make the forum a better place and more people would probably contribute. " I agree, and I have never insulted anyone on here either. At the end of the day if someone doesn’t like what I say on here they can ignore it , | |||
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"Ahh yes all those 'new'hospitals we discussed yesterday. Have they finished that ni tunnel yet?" Are you ready to answer my questions now ? | |||
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HS2 was proposed in 2004 I think.
Terminal five enquiry took 7 years
Second Dartford crossing has been proposed 5 years ago.
Sizewell B took 15 years to get spades in the ground.
So the NI tunnel I would estimate will get started in about 2032 if you want to check in then "Are we allowed to ask about its progress in the meantime or does that constitute sniping? | |||
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HS2 was proposed in 2004 I think.
Terminal five enquiry took 7 years
Second Dartford crossing has been proposed 5 years ago.
Sizewell B took 15 years to get spades in the ground.
So the NI tunnel I would estimate will get started in about 2032 if you want to check in then "The hospital building programme will start around 2025. | |||
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"Ahh yes all those 'new'hospitals we discussed yesterday. Have they finished that ni tunnel yet?" The hospitals were promised to be completed by 2030 that is still another 9 years away.Fancy answering my previous questions yet? | |||
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"Someone mentions the ni tunnel link I ask has it been built That is sniping now apparently Superb
HS2 was proposed in 2004 I think.
Terminal five enquiry took 7 years
Second Dartford crossing has been proposed 5 years ago.
Sizewell B took 15 years to get spades in the ground.
So the NI tunnel I would estimate will get started in about 2032 if you want to check in then
Are we allowed to ask about its progress in the meantime or does that constitute sniping?"You can go to each of their respective websites and see where progress is at. Also you can find further detail on asset publishing (.gov). | |||
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"Someone mentions the ni tunnel link I ask has it been built That is sniping now apparently Superb
HS2 was proposed in 2004 I think.
Terminal five enquiry took 7 years
Second Dartford crossing has been proposed 5 years ago.
Sizewell B took 15 years to get spades in the ground.
So the NI tunnel I would estimate will get started in about 2032 if you want to check in then
Are we allowed to ask about its progress in the meantime or does that constitute sniping?"So at the start of your thread you talk about job losses in construction. Then when a future construction job which has the potential to create thousands of jobs is mentioned you have a petty snipe about it.! Are you really interested about jobs or not? | |||
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"Someone mentions the ni tunnel link I ask has it been built That is sniping now apparently Superb
HS2 was proposed in 2004 I think.
Terminal five enquiry took 7 years
Second Dartford crossing has been proposed 5 years ago.
Sizewell B took 15 years to get spades in the ground.
So the NI tunnel I would estimate will get started in about 2032 if you want to check in then
Are we allowed to ask about its progress in the meantime or does that constitute sniping?"Of course you are now for the 7th time fancy replying to my questions? | |||
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"Someone mentions the ni tunnel link I ask has it been built That is sniping now apparently Superb
HS2 was proposed in 2004 I think.
Terminal five enquiry took 7 years
Second Dartford crossing has been proposed 5 years ago.
Sizewell B took 15 years to get spades in the ground.
So the NI tunnel I would estimate will get started in about 2032 if you want to check in then
Are we allowed to ask about its progress in the meantime or does that constitute sniping?
So at the start of your thread you talk about job losses in construction.
Then when a future construction job which has the potential to create thousands of jobs is mentioned you have a petty snipe about it.!
Are you really interested about jobs or not?"I asked had work started on.ot and asked about its progress I didn't realise this constituted sniping I do apologise If you could just let us know what we are allowed to say on here ,that would be much appreciated | |||
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"Someone mentions the ni tunnel link I ask has it been built That is sniping now apparently Superb
HS2 was proposed in 2004 I think.
Terminal five enquiry took 7 years
Second Dartford crossing has been proposed 5 years ago.
Sizewell B took 15 years to get spades in the ground.
So the NI tunnel I would estimate will get started in about 2032 if you want to check in then
Are we allowed to ask about its progress in the meantime or does that constitute sniping?
So at the start of your thread you talk about job losses in construction.
Then when a future construction job which has the potential to create thousands of jobs is mentioned you have a petty snipe about it.!
Are you really interested about jobs or not?"The NI tunnel is nothing but a pipe dream (pardon the pun) it will never happen , | |||
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" The NI tunnel is nothing but a pipe dream (pardon the pun) it will never happen , " Agree. | |||
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" The NI tunnel is nothing but a pipe dream (pardon the pun) it will never happen , Agree." Possibly as it is an idea that has been around for over 100 years. Mind you man talked about flying for a long time before it actually happened so anything is possible. | |||
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" The NI tunnel is nothing but a pipe dream (pardon the pun) it will never happen , Agree. Possibly as it is an idea that has been around for over 100 years. Mind you man talked about flying for a long time before it actually happened so anything is possible. " The feasibility study is already happening. | |||
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"Someone mentions the ni tunnel link I ask has it been built That is sniping now apparently Superb
HS2 was proposed in 2004 I think.
Terminal five enquiry took 7 years
Second Dartford crossing has been proposed 5 years ago.
Sizewell B took 15 years to get spades in the ground.
So the NI tunnel I would estimate will get started in about 2032 if you want to check in then
Are we allowed to ask about its progress in the meantime or does that constitute sniping?
So at the start of your thread you talk about job losses in construction.
Then when a future construction job which has the potential to create thousands of jobs is mentioned you have a petty snipe about it.!
Are you really interested about jobs or not?
I asked had work started on.ot and asked about its progress
I didn't realise this constituted sniping
I do apologise
If you could just let us know what we are allowed to say on here ,that would be much appreciated
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"Perhaps having just retired from working for a major manufacturer for building products in the house building industry. When there and this going back over at least the last five years there. The company was having difficulty getting at least two of raw materials required. So any company wishing to buy normally given from order time 3 to 6 months delivery. Depending on the product they wanted. Also getting skilled staff also, very difficult at times. This due to factory running 24/7. Including bank holidays . Although factory closed over Christmas / New Year. So people did not want to do the unsocial hours etc. Even though pay was good. Add to that the required skill level for Mechanical and electrical was high qualifications. So in the twenty + years I was there . Very often short staffed, someone being trained on how plant worked etc before going on shift on their own. The company even asked me to stay on , which I did to train someone up to replace me. He is still there. As others have said. There is a very large need in this country for skilled personnel. From talking with people when at work and friends . Skilled work has not been promoted enough for a while in schools. Most want to sit behind a desk pressing a keyboard etc. Not getting hands dirty. " I totally agree i was a manual skilled worker too and glad to see both my sons going on to do something similar as they could see how much there was to be earnt by working hard and the trend of people not going into such trades will only increase the money to be earned. | |||
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"Then again from the same building news the very next day Labour shortage worries gather pace as vacancies jump more than 50% since April By Tom Lowe21 May 2021 workers Furlough, Brexit and IR35 all putting squeeze on numbers available to booming sector as recovery continues The number of permanent jobs in construction and property registered by employers has jumped by more than 55% in the past six weeks compared with the six weeks prior, according to recruitment specialists Hays. The firm said that the number of temporary roles has also increased by more than half over the same period in signs of a growing labour shortage hitting the industry as the sector’s pandemic recovery gathers pace. … so make of that what you will.
By the way lionel it said 37,000 not 370,000 a slight difference. "so after all that work trying to find this the quote is out by a factor of 10 and also done on just 6% sample - Outstanding | |||
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"Someone mentions the ni tunnel link I ask has it been built That is sniping now apparently Superb
HS2 was proposed in 2004 I think.
Terminal five enquiry took 7 years
Second Dartford crossing has been proposed 5 years ago.
Sizewell B took 15 years to get spades in the ground.
So the NI tunnel I would estimate will get started in about 2032 if you want to check in then
Are we allowed to ask about its progress in the meantime or does that constitute sniping?"Of course you can ask There's a detailed feasibility study going on, will probably take 12 months to report. | |||
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"Then again from the same building news the very next day Labour shortage worries gather pace as vacancies jump more than 50% since April By Tom Lowe21 May 2021 workers Furlough, Brexit and IR35 all putting squeeze on numbers available to booming sector as recovery continues The number of permanent jobs in construction and property registered by employers has jumped by more than 55% in the past six weeks compared with the six weeks prior, according to recruitment specialists Hays. The firm said that the number of temporary roles has also increased by more than half over the same period in signs of a growing labour shortage hitting the industry as the sector’s pandemic recovery gathers pace. … so make of that what you will.
By the way lionel it said 37,000 not 370,000 a slight difference.
so after all that work trying to find this the quote is out by a factor of 10 and also done on just 6% sample - Outstanding"Im just waiting on a reply . | |||
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"Then again from the same building news the very next day Labour shortage worries gather pace as vacancies jump more than 50% since April By Tom Lowe21 May 2021 workers Furlough, Brexit and IR35 all putting squeeze on numbers available to booming sector as recovery continues The number of permanent jobs in construction and property registered by employers has jumped by more than 55% in the past six weeks compared with the six weeks prior, according to recruitment specialists Hays. The firm said that the number of temporary roles has also increased by more than half over the same period in signs of a growing labour shortage hitting the industry as the sector’s pandemic recovery gathers pace. … so make of that what you will.
By the way lionel it said 37,000 not 370,000 a slight difference.
so after all that work trying to find this the quote is out by a factor of 10 and also done on just 6% sample - Outstanding"Another one more informed than people who actually work in the industry. They may aswell pack up and go home | |||
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"Then again from the same building news the very next day Labour shortage worries gather pace as vacancies jump more than 50% since April By Tom Lowe21 May 2021 workers Furlough, Brexit and IR35 all putting squeeze on numbers available to booming sector as recovery continues The number of permanent jobs in construction and property registered by employers has jumped by more than 55% in the past six weeks compared with the six weeks prior, according to recruitment specialists Hays. The firm said that the number of temporary roles has also increased by more than half over the same period in signs of a growing labour shortage hitting the industry as the sector’s pandemic recovery gathers pace. … so make of that what you will.
By the way lionel it said 37,000 not 370,000 a slight difference.
so after all that work trying to find this the quote is out by a factor of 10 and also done on just 6% sample - Outstanding
Another one more informed than people who actually work in the industry.
They may aswell pack up and go home
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"Perhaps having just retired from working for a major manufacturer for building products in the house building industry. When there and this going back over at least the last five years there. The company was having difficulty getting at least two of raw materials required. So any company wishing to buy normally given from order time 3 to 6 months delivery. Depending on the product they wanted. Also getting skilled staff also, very difficult at times. This due to factory running 24/7. Including bank holidays . Although factory closed over Christmas / New Year. So people did not want to do the unsocial hours etc. Even though pay was good. Add to that the required skill level for Mechanical and electrical was high qualifications. So in the twenty + years I was there . Very often short staffed, someone being trained on how plant worked etc before going on shift on their own. The company even asked me to stay on , which I did to train someone up to replace me. He is still there. As others have said. There is a very large need in this country for skilled personnel. From talking with people when at work and friends . Skilled work has not been promoted enough for a while in schools. Most want to sit behind a desk pressing a keyboard etc. Not getting hands dirty. I totally agree i was a manual skilled worker too and glad to see both my sons going on to do something similar as they could see how much there was to be earnt by working hard and the trend of people not going into such trades will only increase the money to be earned." That is another reason why certain trades can charge the amount per hour they do. I am not saying all rip people off. When seeing some ask £100 to £200 per a day or about £40 per hour depending on job. So can earn very good money. Yes realise being self employed a risk. But if good at job etc. Rewards very good | |||
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" That is another reason why certain trades can charge the amount per hour they do. I am not saying all rip people off. When seeing some ask £100 to £200 per a day or about £40 per hour depending on job. So can earn very good money. Yes realise being self employed a risk. But if good at job etc. Rewards very good " A friend. Makes toys and he sells to two markets. One is online Prestige and the other General sales through shops and Ebay. The difference in his markup to manufacturing costs - between the two outlets - is 1900% All the toys are made in the same factory on two different lines and the only difference in each is what quality of box it goes in. (typo) | |||
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" That is another reason why certain trades can charge the amount per hour they do. I am not saying all rip people off. When seeing some ask £100 to £200 per a day or about £40 per hour depending on job. So can earn very good money. Yes realise being self employed a risk. But if good at job etc. Rewards very good A friend. Makes toys and he sells to two markets. One is online Prestige and the other General sales through shops and Ebay. The difference in his markup to manufacturing costs - between the two outlets - is 1900% All the toys are made in the same factory on two different lines and the only difference in each is what quality of box it goes in. (typo)" 1900% So he buys in at £1 & sells at £1900 ? Damn ! | |||
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" That is another reason why certain trades can charge the amount per hour they do. I am not saying all rip people off. When seeing some ask £100 to £200 per a day or about £40 per hour depending on job. So can earn very good money. Yes realise being self employed a risk. But if good at job etc. Rewards very good A friend. Makes toys and he sells to two markets. One is online Prestige and the other General sales through shops and Ebay. The difference in his markup to manufacturing costs - between the two outlets - is 1900% All the toys are made in the same factory on two different lines and the only difference in each is what quality of box it goes in. (typo) 1900% So he buys in at £1 & sells at £1900 ? Damn !" That's er, not quite how percentages work Sells out at £19 in that example. | |||
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By the way lionel it said 37,000 not 370,000 a slight difference.
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" That is another reason why certain trades can charge the amount per hour they do. I am not saying all rip people off. When seeing some ask £100 to £200 per a day or about £40 per hour depending on job. So can earn very good money. Yes realise being self employed a risk. But if good at job etc. Rewards very good A friend. Makes toys and he sells to two markets. One is online Prestige and the other General sales through shops and Ebay. The difference in his markup to manufacturing costs - between the two outlets - is 1900% All the toys are made in the same factory on two different lines and the only difference in each is what quality of box it goes in. (typo) 1900% So he buys in at £1 & sells at £1900 ? Damn !" No it was the DIFFERENCE in mark up between the top outlets not the mark up. | |||
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"Then again from the same building news the very next day Labour shortage worries gather pace as vacancies jump more than 50% since April By Tom Lowe21 May 2021 workers Furlough, Brexit and IR35 all putting squeeze on numbers available to booming sector as recovery continues The number of permanent jobs in construction and property registered by employers has jumped by more than 55% in the past six weeks compared with the six weeks prior, according to recruitment specialists Hays. The firm said that the number of temporary roles has also increased by more than half over the same period in signs of a growing labour shortage hitting the industry as the sector’s pandemic recovery gathers pace. … so make of that what you will.
By the way lionel it said 37,000 not 370,000 a slight difference.
so after all that work trying to find this the quote is out by a factor of 10 and also done on just 6% sample - Outstanding
Another one more informed than people who actually work in the industry.
They may aswell pack up and go home
"speaking of imformative you found the story (if you can call it that) but exagerated the figures by a factor of 10 and turns out it comes from just a 6% sample | |||
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"personally they can stop building! there wont be any green space left soon. England will sink under the weight and you'll have to swim from wales to scotland." Plenty of space just fly over the uk you will be surprised how much green space there is. | |||
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"personally they can stop building! there wont be any green space left soon. England will sink under the weight and you'll have to swim from wales to scotland.Plenty of space just fly over the uk you will be surprised how much green space there is. " And did those feet in ancient time ... | |||
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