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"What the i was only joking Jeremy corbyn is unelectable ashworth?" Shhhh! That might be confidential lol. | |||
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"Starmer has always been a hindsight man. Perhaps this will be the same. If something works, it was in their policy, if it doesn't work then they can deny it was ever policy." Sounds like someone else | |||
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"Starmer has always been a hindsight man. Perhaps this will be the same. If something works, it was in their policy, if it doesn't work then they can deny it was ever policy. Sounds like someone else " Corbyn. Yea. I can see that kind of thinking. | |||
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"Starmer has always been a hindsight man. Perhaps this will be the same. If something works, it was in their policy, if it doesn't work then they can deny it was ever policy." Or as boris said today they can wibble wobble what way the want from week to week. | |||
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"Starmer has always been a hindsight man. Perhaps this will be the same. If something works, it was in their policy, if it doesn't work then they can deny it was ever policy. Sounds like someone else Corbyn. Yea. I can see that kind of thinking. " Well as he never once did that..and it was in fact Theresa may who pilfered some of labours ideas.. you may be onto something. | |||
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"Starmer has always been a hindsight man. Perhaps this will be the same. If something works, it was in their policy, if it doesn't work then they can deny it was ever policy. Sounds like someone else Corbyn. Yea. I can see that kind of thinking. Well as he never once did that..and it was in fact Theresa may who pilfered some of labours ideas.. you may be onto something." However History says otherwise: "Nats chiefs accuse Jeremy Corbyn of stealing SNP ideas as he brings Labour party conference to a close They claim he nicked their pledges on childcare, climate change, rail nationalisation and ending 'period poverty'" & "Hapless Labour is stealing our ideas Last week the Labour Government announced three, watered down versions of policies the Conservatives have been calling for." There's more . . .  | |||
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"Yep socialists have traditionally been against nationalisation " Just a random observation, or perhaps you will give it a context, so we can discuss it? | |||
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"The tories called for an end to poverty Ha ha ha ha ha ha Out. Standing. "No discussion. Just snipe. | |||
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"The tories called for an end to poverty Ha ha ha ha ha ha Out. Standing.
No discussion. Just snipe. "Is there a discussion to be had regarding tories and ending poverty? | |||
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"Yep socialists have traditionally been against nationalisation Just a random observation, or perhaps you will give it a context, so we can discuss it?" Labour..the left..have always been keen on nationalisation. The Tories believe in the free market as Thatcher sold of everything we had. The argument that labour somehow stole the idea from the Tories, is,to put it mildly,flawed. | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? " In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years." Come on now, we know that isn’t the Tories fault, I blame it on the Labour parties perceived lack of opposition . | |||
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"If you read the poster that you answered properly - they didn't actually say anything about stealing ideas. Nationalisation! Now there is a route that the British Public rejected as far back as the 70's and have continued to reject it ever since. Even New Labour rejected it. Corbyn wanted it and it was rejected again. " That's obvs why an increasing number of rail franchises are being re nationalised and it explains why the privatisation of the probation service has been such a success It obvs explains the difference in impact of the vaccine roll out and ..ooh i don't know.. track and trace. | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Come on now, we know that isn’t the Tories fault, I blame it on the Labour parties perceived lack of opposition . " Obvs | |||
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" Come on now, we know that isn’t the Tories fault, I blame it on the Labour parties perceived lack of opposition . " You are starting to catch on then. Good to see.  | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Come on now, we know that isn’t the Tories fault, I blame it on the Labour parties perceived lack of opposition . Obvs "Just like the Iraq war wasn’t Blair’s fault, it was the Tory opposition that was to blame | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years." Please explain your Math with 12 years? | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Come on now, we know that isn’t the Tories fault, I blame it on the Labour parties perceived lack of opposition . Obvs
Just like the Iraq war wasn’t Blair’s fault, it was the Tory opposition that was to blame "And the world economic crash was also their fault dont forget | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Come on now, we know that isn’t the Tories fault, I blame it on the Labour parties perceived lack of opposition . Obvs
Just like the Iraq war wasn’t Blair’s fault, it was the Tory opposition that was to blame "Hahahaha - didn't get to hear about the cross party vote then? | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Come on now, we know that isn’t the Tories fault, I blame it on the Labour parties perceived lack of opposition . Obvs
Just like the Iraq war wasn’t Blair’s fault, it was the Tory opposition that was to blame
And the world economic crash was also their fault dont forget
"No. That was the sub-prime crash in America. But how about the confidentiality of Labours Policies in the OP above? | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Please explain your Math with 12 years?"
Here we go folks..The tories were not actually in power because they shared it with the liberals, and despite the tories having the bulk of the seats,they obviously didnt make any decisions
Superb
Once again,a stalinesque re writing of history.
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Come on now, we know that isn’t the Tories fault, I blame it on the Labour parties perceived lack of opposition . Obvs
Just like the Iraq war wasn’t Blair’s fault, it was the Tory opposition that was to blame
And the world economic crash was also their fault dont forget
No. That was the sub-prime crash in America.
But how about the confidentiality of Labours Policies in the OP above?
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Come on now, we know that isn’t the Tories fault, I blame it on the Labour parties perceived lack of opposition . Obvs
Just like the Iraq war wasn’t Blair’s fault, it was the Tory opposition that was to blame
And the world economic crash was also their fault dont forget
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"Link whatever you like the Crash was started by the Sub Prime Crisis in America" When the coalition got in party, the gmnt consistently blamed labour,for being skint and for justifying austerity. That isnt an opinion. That is a fact | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Please explain your Math with 12 years?
Here we go folks..The tories were not actually in power because they shared it with the liberals, and despite the tories having the bulk of the seats,they obviously didnt make any decisions
Superb
Once again,a stalinesque re writing of history.
"Minority coalition Lib Dem’s to blame Opposition to blame Why are they blaming others when they should be taking plaudits for the last 11-12years | |||
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"Link whatever you like the Crash was started by the Sub Prime Crisis in America When the coalition got in party, the gmnt consistently blamed labour,for being skint and for justifying austerity. That isnt an opinion. That is a fact " I don't care who for what. The fact of history is the Sub-Prime Crisis in America was the cause of the Crash. | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Please explain your Math with 12 years?
Here we go folks..The tories were not actually in power because they shared it with the liberals, and despite the tories having the bulk of the seats,they obviously didnt make any decisions
Superb
Once again,a stalinesque re writing of history.
Minority coalition Lib Dem’s to blame
Opposition to blame
Why are they blaming others when they should be taking plaudits for the last 11-12years "Baffling isnt it? And it was claimed above that starmer diverts the blame. | |||
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" And it was claimed above that starmer diverts the blame." There you are - all caught up - so it wasn't about stealing policies after all was it. | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Please explain your Math with 12 years?
Here we go folks..The tories were not actually in power because they shared it with the liberals, and despite the tories having the bulk of the seats,they obviously didnt make any decisions
Superb
Once again,a stalinesque re writing of history.
Minority coalition Lib Dem’s to blame
Opposition to blame
Why are they blaming others when they should be taking plaudits for the last 11-12years
Baffling isnt it?
And it was claimed above that starmer diverts the blame."Amazing, it’s like communist China & Russia, these Tory die hards have been well trained, they know their place | |||
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"Link whatever you like the Crash was started by the Sub Prime Crisis in America When the coalition got in party, the gmnt consistently blamed labour,for being skint and for justifying austerity. That isnt an opinion. That is a fact I don't care who for what. The fact of history is the Sub-Prime Crisis in America was the cause of the Crash." Of course you dont care. Hence my point is proven I know what caused the crash Anyone with half a brain know what caused the crash But for years the tories blamed labour Fact. | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Please explain your Math with 12 years?
Here we go folks..The tories were not actually in power because they shared it with the liberals, and despite the tories having the bulk of the seats,they obviously didnt make any decisions
Superb
Once again,a stalinesque re writing of history.
Minority coalition Lib Dem’s to blame
Opposition to blame
Why are they blaming others when they should be taking plaudits for the last 11-12years
Baffling isnt it?
And it was claimed above that starmer diverts the blame.
Amazing, it’s like communist China & Russia, these Tory die hards have been well trained, they know their place " | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Please explain your Math with 12 years?
Here we go folks..The tories were not actually in power because they shared it with the liberals, and despite the tories having the bulk of the seats,they obviously didnt make any decisions
Superb
Once again,a stalinesque re writing of history.
Minority coalition Lib Dem’s to blame
Opposition to blame
Why are they blaming others when they should be taking plaudits for the last 11-12years
Baffling isnt it?
And it was claimed above that starmer diverts the blame.
Amazing, it’s like communist China & Russia, these Tory die hards have been well trained, they know their place
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Please explain your Math with 12 years?
Here we go folks..The tories were not actually in power because they shared it with the liberals, and despite the tories having the bulk of the seats,they obviously didnt make any decisions
Superb
Once again,a stalinesque re writing of history.
"You like to rewrite history in whatever way suits your narrative. Fact is from 2010 to 2015 the UK had a coalition government. That is a fact. Another fact it was the UKs first coalition government in nearly 70 years. That's a fact. Another fact, the 2015 General Election saw the Conservatives forming the first majority Conservative government in the UK for almost two decades. That's a fact. | |||
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"Anyway: ---------------------------------- Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for: Jump to: Newest in thread Your last post By CatEvolution OP Find posts by CatEvolution Couple 58 minutes ago *** Join The Resistance - Get Vaccinated *** https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-starmer-policies-confidential-jonathan-ashworth-b1849996.html "Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for: ‘It’s confidential’: Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for Jonathan Ashworth says discussions have taken place at shadow cabinet level but that they are ‘confidential’". ------------------------------- Anything on this? " They cant answer its a secret. | |||
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"Anyway: ---------------------------------- Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for: Jump to: Newest in thread Your last post By CatEvolution OP Find posts by CatEvolution Couple 58 minutes ago *** Join The Resistance - Get Vaccinated *** https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-starmer-policies-confidential-jonathan-ashworth-b1849996.html "Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for: ‘It’s confidential’: Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for Jonathan Ashworth says discussions have taken place at shadow cabinet level but that they are ‘confidential’". ------------------------------- Anything on this? " Shrugs Labour is a mess Starmer is a poor leader He was particularly shite today. Not really news is it? The difference being I am able to be honest and not blame everyone else and drown in whataboutery. | |||
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"Anyway: ---------------------------------- Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for: Jump to: Newest in thread Your last post By CatEvolution OP Find posts by CatEvolution Couple 58 minutes ago *** Join The Resistance - Get Vaccinated *** https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-starmer-policies-confidential-jonathan-ashworth-b1849996.html "Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for: ‘It’s confidential’: Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for Jonathan Ashworth says discussions have taken place at shadow cabinet level but that they are ‘confidential’". ------------------------------- Anything on this? They cant answer its a secret. "Yup. We are working hard with the supporters to get anything here too - I'll take it that it's a known unknown secret amongst them all !!! | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Please explain your Math with 12 years?
Here we go folks..The tories were not actually in power because they shared it with the liberals, and despite the tories having the bulk of the seats,they obviously didnt make any decisions
Superb
Once again,a stalinesque re writing of history.
You like to rewrite history in whatever way suits your narrative.
Fact is from 2010 to 2015 the UK had a coalition government.
That is a fact.
Another fact it was the UKs first coalition government in nearly 70 years.
That's a fact.
Another fact, the 2015 General Election saw the Conservatives forming the first majority Conservative government in the UK for almost two decades.
That's a fact."
Superb
So in a coalition, the liberals were calling the shots, despite being the junior party. | |||
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"Anyway: ---------------------------------- Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for: Jump to: Newest in thread Your last post By CatEvolution OP Find posts by CatEvolution Couple 58 minutes ago *** Join The Resistance - Get Vaccinated *** https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-starmer-policies-confidential-jonathan-ashworth-b1849996.html "Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for: ‘It’s confidential’: Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for Jonathan Ashworth says discussions have taken place at shadow cabinet level but that they are ‘confidential’". ------------------------------- Anything on this? Shrugs Labour is a mess Starmer is a poor leader He was particularly shite today. Not really news is it? The difference being I am able to be honest and not blame everyone else and drown in whataboutery. " Yet. Your first comment was: "Sounds like someone else " isn't that the whataboutery you are talking about? ??? | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Please explain your Math with 12 years?
Here we go folks..The tories were not actually in power because they shared it with the liberals, and despite the tories having the bulk of the seats,they obviously didnt make any decisions
Superb
Once again,a stalinesque re writing of history.
You like to rewrite history in whatever way suits your narrative.
Fact is from 2010 to 2015 the UK had a coalition government.
That is a fact.
Another fact it was the UKs first coalition government in nearly 70 years.
That's a fact.
Another fact, the 2015 General Election saw the Conservatives forming the first majority Conservative government in the UK for almost two decades.
That's a fact.
Superb
So in a coalition, the liberals were calling the shots, despite being the junior party."Bloody Lib Dem’s, at least some Tories are admitting the coalition government was shite by shifting the blame | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Please explain your Math with 12 years?
Here we go folks..The tories were not actually in power because they shared it with the liberals, and despite the tories having the bulk of the seats,they obviously didnt make any decisions
Superb
Once again,a stalinesque re writing of history.
You like to rewrite history in whatever way suits your narrative.
Fact is from 2010 to 2015 the UK had a coalition government.
That is a fact.
Another fact it was the UKs first coalition government in nearly 70 years.
That's a fact.
Another fact, the 2015 General Election saw the Conservatives forming the first majority Conservative government in the UK for almost two decades.
That's a fact.
Superb
So in a coalition, the liberals were calling the shots, despite being the junior party."Do you understand what a coalition government is? At anytime the Liberals could have walked away and there would have been another general election. The fact that they didn't means they had some say in how the government was run between 2010 to 2015. It must be hard for you to understand this.! | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Please explain your Math with 12 years?
Here we go folks..The tories were not actually in power because they shared it with the liberals, and despite the tories having the bulk of the seats,they obviously didnt make any decisions
Superb
Once again,a stalinesque re writing of history.
You like to rewrite history in whatever way suits your narrative.
Fact is from 2010 to 2015 the UK had a coalition government.
That is a fact.
Another fact it was the UKs first coalition government in nearly 70 years.
That's a fact.
Another fact, the 2015 General Election saw the Conservatives forming the first majority Conservative government in the UK for almost two decades.
That's a fact.
Superb
So in a coalition, the liberals were calling the shots, despite being the junior party."yet again you are not reading what i wrote, i really do think maybe read it a few times and let it sink in before replying. | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Please explain your Math with 12 years?
Here we go folks..The tories were not actually in power because they shared it with the liberals, and despite the tories having the bulk of the seats,they obviously didnt make any decisions
Superb
Once again,a stalinesque re writing of history.
You like to rewrite history in whatever way suits your narrative.
Fact is from 2010 to 2015 the UK had a coalition government.
That is a fact.
Another fact it was the UKs first coalition government in nearly 70 years.
That's a fact.
Another fact, the 2015 General Election saw the Conservatives forming the first majority Conservative government in the UK for almost two decades.
That's a fact.
Superb
So in a coalition, the liberals were calling the shots, despite being the junior party.
Do you understand what a coalition government is?
At anytime the Liberals could have walked away and there would have been another general election.
The fact that they didn't means they had some say in how the government was run between 2010 to 2015.
It must be hard for you to understand this.!"That's obvs why one of their main..no 1 policies was to abolish tuition fees..and they certainly got their way there didnt they? | |||
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"Shrugs Labour is a mess Starmer is a poor leader He was particularly shite today. Not really news is it? The difference being I am able to be honest and not blame everyone else and drown in whataboutery. "" Yet. Your first comment was: ""Sounds like someone else "" isn't that the whataboutery you are talking about? ??? | |||
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"Ha ha ha..my point about whataboutery being totally disproved here Yes but labour did this and we werent really in power..
#scenes"getting back on track how do you feel about the labour party and what i was only joking ashworth said? | |||
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"That isn't the proper answer though, is it? Is your Whataboutery the same what Whataboutery that you said you didn't want to drown in? ??? " You realise there is teensy difference in saying someone else behaves like that and...oh it was nothing to do with us as we were in a coalition? | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years. Please explain your Math with 12 years?
Here we go folks..The tories were not actually in power because they shared it with the liberals, and despite the tories having the bulk of the seats,they obviously didnt make any decisions
Superb
Once again,a stalinesque re writing of history.
You like to rewrite history in whatever way suits your narrative.
Fact is from 2010 to 2015 the UK had a coalition government.
That is a fact.
Another fact it was the UKs first coalition government in nearly 70 years.
That's a fact.
Another fact, the 2015 General Election saw the Conservatives forming the first majority Conservative government in the UK for almost two decades.
That's a fact.
Superb
So in a coalition, the liberals were calling the shots, despite being the junior party.
Do you understand what a coalition government is?
At anytime the Liberals could have walked away and there would have been another general election.
The fact that they didn't means they had some say in how the government was run between 2010 to 2015.
It must be hard for you to understand this.!
That's obvs why one of their main..no 1 policies was to abolish tuition fees..and they certainly got their way there didnt they?"Nick clegg backed the tuition fees rise and did a party political broadcast explaining it was the right thing to do at the time. | |||
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"That isn't the proper answer though, is it? Is your Whataboutery the same what Whataboutery that you said you didn't want to drown in? ??? You realise there is teensy difference in saying someone else behaves like that and...oh it was nothing to do with us as we were in a coalition?" Where has anyone said it was nothing to do with us we were in a coalition? | |||
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"That isn't the proper answer though, is it? Is your Whataboutery the same what Whataboutery that you said you didn't want to drown in? ??? You realise there is teensy difference in saying someone else behaves like that and...oh it was nothing to do with us as we were in a coalition?" Your answer (6 posts down), at that point had nothing to do with coalition (29 posts down) as coalition hadn't been mentioned at that point. So. With that out of the way. Is your Whataboutery the same Whataboutery that you said you didn't want to drown in? ??? | |||
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-starmer-policies-confidential-jonathan-ashworth-b1849996.html "Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for: ‘It’s confidential’: Shadow minister refuses to say what Labour stands for Jonathan Ashworth says discussions have taken place at shadow cabinet level but that they are ‘confidential’".
"So either they don't know themselves or they do know but need to keep it a secret in case voters don't approve. Hope they get this sorted quickly and actually form some resemblance to an opposition | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb "I will ask again where was that posted? | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb "Still waitin on your answer to this, however . . . Is your Whataboutery the same what Whataboutery that you said you didn't want to drown in? ??? You realise there is teensy difference in saying someone else behaves like that and...oh it was nothing to do with us as we were in a coalition?" Your answer (6 posts down), at that point had nothing to do with coalition (29 posts down) as coalition hadn't been mentioned at that point. So. With that out of the way. Is your Whataboutery the same Whataboutery that you said you didn't want to drown in? ??? | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb
Still waitin on your answer to this, however . . .
Is your Whataboutery the same what Whataboutery that you said you didn't want to drown in?
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You realise there is teensy difference in saying someone else behaves like that and...oh it was nothing to do with us as we were in a coalition?"
Your answer (6 posts down), at that point had nothing to do with coalition (29 posts down) as coalition hadn't been mentioned at that point.
So. With that out of the way.
Is your Whataboutery the same Whataboutery that you said you didn't want to drown in?
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"Tries again It was pointed out that a one person behaves in a certain way. I pointed out he wasnt the only one The thread then descended into an argument that the somehow were not responsible for policy,despite being in gmnt, because they were in coalition Granted this isnt whataboutery..I'm not actually sure what you would call it? Oh yeah Nonsense. | |||
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" It was pointed out that a one person behaves in a certain way. I pointed out he wasnt the only one " Yup. That's a clear case of 'whatabout that other guy behaving in a certain other way'. Thank you for being clear and eventually answering the question. | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
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"I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc. | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
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I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc."Yup. It's with those Labour Policies. | |||
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"Link whatever you like the Crash was started by the Sub Prime Crisis in America When the coalition got in party, the gmnt consistently blamed labour,for being skint and for justifying austerity. That isnt an opinion. That is a fact " The crash itself cannot be blamed on labour, however they were warned in 2005 it was coming, did nothing to prepare for it and then handled it terribly | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
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I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc."Course you camt Funny how fab found it? | |||
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"Link whatever you like the Crash was started by the Sub Prime Crisis in America When the coalition got in party, the gmnt consistently blamed labour,for being skint and for justifying austerity. That isnt an opinion. That is a fact The crash itself cannot be blamed on labour, however they were warned in 2005 it was coming, did nothing to prepare for it and then handled it terribly" The point was that for years afterwards the tories blamed labour for crashing the economy, when they had no other option but to bail out the banks. I even remember Osbourne doing an interview saying labour were in am impossible position. | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?"Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements. | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements."The debate was about how poverty has grown in the last 12 years. The shy bloke made 3 references that the tories were not in power from 2010 since it was a coalition gmnt. Unless you are being particular obtuse the inference is clear. They shouldnt take responsibility for the policies between 2010 and 2015 because they shared power(despite being the senior party) Which is utter nonsense | |||
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"It is a Politics discussion Board - so why not have a go? In 2009 there were 57 foodbanks in the uk In 2019..there were 424 In 2021 just over 2000 Yet something tells me this will somehow be the responsibility of a party which has been been in power for 12 years." Taps fingers... | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements.
The debate was about how poverty has grown in the last 12 years.
The shy bloke made 3 references that the tories were not in power from 2010 since it was a coalition gmnt.
Unless you are being particular obtuse the inference is clear.
They shouldnt take responsibility for the policies between 2010 and 2015 because they shared power(despite being the senior party)
Which is utter nonsense
"ok so no one actually said it wasnt the tories fault as it was in a coalition? they just mentioned that there was one for several years as i did too.I guess you choose to interpret it as not our fault where as i would interpret it as its both our faults as we are both in power.Thanks for clearing that up but in future please only post what is posted as fact and not what you think it means as fact then it will save us all a lot of time trying to get to the bottom of it.Thanks | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements.
The debate was about how poverty has grown in the last 12 years.
The shy bloke made 3 references that the tories were not in power from 2010 since it was a coalition gmnt.
Unless you are being particular obtuse the inference is clear.
They shouldnt take responsibility for the policies between 2010 and 2015 because they shared power(despite being the senior party)
Which is utter nonsense
ok so no one actually said it wasnt the tories fault as it was in a coalition? they just mentioned that there was one for several years as i did too.I guess you choose to interpret it as not our fault where as i would interpret it as its both our faults as we are both in power.Thanks for clearing that up but in future please only post what is posted as fact and not what you think it means as fact then it will save us all a lot of time trying to get to the bottom of it.Thanks "So what you are saying is the explosion in food banks over the last 12 years is the responsibility of both the Tories and the liberals? | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements.
The debate was about how poverty has grown in the last 12 years.
The shy bloke made 3 references that the tories were not in power from 2010 since it was a coalition gmnt.
Unless you are being particular obtuse the inference is clear.
They shouldnt take responsibility for the policies between 2010 and 2015 because they shared power(despite being the senior party)
Which is utter nonsense
ok so no one actually said it wasnt the tories fault as it was in a coalition? they just mentioned that there was one for several years as i did too.I guess you choose to interpret it as not our fault where as i would interpret it as its both our faults as we are both in power.Thanks for clearing that up but in future please only post what is posted as fact and not what you think it means as fact then it will save us all a lot of time trying to get to the bottom of it.Thanks
So what you are saying is the explosion in food banks over the last 12 years is the responsibility of both the Tories and the liberals?"I haven't joined in the whataboutery about food banks i stick to the thread we were talking about social care where i pointed out to you that in 1997 tony blair was going to fix it so we have had a labour tory/lib dem and tory ov who have failed to fix it and its time they took politics out of it and got together to sort it.To be fair i think this is one thing that SKS might actually be able to participate in. | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements.
The debate was about how poverty has grown in the last 12 years.
The shy bloke made 3 references that the tories were not in power from 2010 since it was a coalition gmnt.
Unless you are being particular obtuse the inference is clear.
They shouldnt take responsibility for the policies between 2010 and 2015 because they shared power(despite being the senior party)
Which is utter nonsense
"He we go again. The point I was making was who was in Government between the years of 2010 to 2015. For some reason Lionel you fail to understand the UK Government was a coalition Government. You fail to remember on almost every thread you go on. I have not mentioned once the policies of that time. | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements.
The debate was about how poverty has grown in the last 12 years.
The shy bloke made 3 references that the tories were not in power from 2010 since it was a coalition gmnt.
Unless you are being particular obtuse the inference is clear.
They shouldnt take responsibility for the policies between 2010 and 2015 because they shared power(despite being the senior party)
Which is utter nonsense
ok so no one actually said it wasnt the tories fault as it was in a coalition? they just mentioned that there was one for several years as i did too.I guess you choose to interpret it as not our fault where as i would interpret it as its both our faults as we are both in power.Thanks for clearing that up but in future please only post what is posted as fact and not what you think it means as fact then it will save us all a lot of time trying to get to the bottom of it.Thanks
So what you are saying is the explosion in food banks over the last 12 years is the responsibility of both the Tories and the liberals? I haven't joined in the whataboutery about food banks i stick to the thread we were talking about social care where i pointed out to you that in 1997 tony blair was going to fix it so we have had a labour tory/lib dem and tory ov who have failed to fix it and its time they took politics out of it and got together to sort it.To be fair i think this is one thing that SKS might actually be able to participate in. "The thread is nothing to do with social care | |||
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"Yea. I thought the thread was about the 'Confidential Labour Policies' and not a 'whatabout' foodbanks. Particularly when the 'whatabouter' specifically said he was drowning in 'whataboutery'. "
You mentioned the Tories wanted to end poverty
When I mentioned foodbanks, suddenly the thread is nothing to do with poverty.
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements.
The debate was about how poverty has grown in the last 12 years.
The shy bloke made 3 references that the tories were not in power from 2010 since it was a coalition gmnt.
Unless you are being particular obtuse the inference is clear.
They shouldnt take responsibility for the policies between 2010 and 2015 because they shared power(despite being the senior party)
Which is utter nonsense
He we go again.
The point I was making was who was in Government between the years of 2010 to 2015.
For some reason Lionel you fail to understand the UK Government was a coalition Government.
You fail to remember on almost every thread you go on.
I have not mentioned once the policies of that time."Who was making decisions between 2010 and 2015? | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements.
The debate was about how poverty has grown in the last 12 years.
The shy bloke made 3 references that the tories were not in power from 2010 since it was a coalition gmnt.
Unless you are being particular obtuse the inference is clear.
They shouldnt take responsibility for the policies between 2010 and 2015 because they shared power(despite being the senior party)
Which is utter nonsense
ok so no one actually said it wasnt the tories fault as it was in a coalition? they just mentioned that there was one for several years as i did too.I guess you choose to interpret it as not our fault where as i would interpret it as its both our faults as we are both in power.Thanks for clearing that up but in future please only post what is posted as fact and not what you think it means as fact then it will save us all a lot of time trying to get to the bottom of it.Thanks
So what you are saying is the explosion in food banks over the last 12 years is the responsibility of both the Tories and the liberals? I haven't joined in the whataboutery about food banks i stick to the thread we were talking about social care where i pointed out to you that in 1997 tony blair was going to fix it so we have had a labour tory/lib dem and tory ov who have failed to fix it and its time they took politics out of it and got together to sort it.To be fair i think this is one thing that SKS might actually be able to participate in.
The thread is nothing to do with social care"Actually you are right sorry about that,so what do you think about labour keeping their policies secret? | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements.
The debate was about how poverty has grown in the last 12 years.
The shy bloke made 3 references that the tories were not in power from 2010 since it was a coalition gmnt.
Unless you are being particular obtuse the inference is clear.
They shouldnt take responsibility for the policies between 2010 and 2015 because they shared power(despite being the senior party)
Which is utter nonsense
ok so no one actually said it wasnt the tories fault as it was in a coalition? they just mentioned that there was one for several years as i did too.I guess you choose to interpret it as not our fault where as i would interpret it as its both our faults as we are both in power.Thanks for clearing that up but in future please only post what is posted as fact and not what you think it means as fact then it will save us all a lot of time trying to get to the bottom of it.Thanks
So what you are saying is the explosion in food banks over the last 12 years is the responsibility of both the Tories and the liberals? I haven't joined in the whataboutery about food banks i stick to the thread we were talking about social care where i pointed out to you that in 1997 tony blair was going to fix it so we have had a labour tory/lib dem and tory ov who have failed to fix it and its time they took politics out of it and got together to sort it.To be fair i think this is one thing that SKS might actually be able to participate in.
The thread is nothing to do with social careActually you are right sorry about that,so what do you think about labour keeping their policies secret?"No opinion on the tories addressing poverty which cat mentioned? I've clearly give my opinion on labour above. | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements.
The debate was about how poverty has grown in the last 12 years.
The shy bloke made 3 references that the tories were not in power from 2010 since it was a coalition gmnt.
Unless you are being particular obtuse the inference is clear.
They shouldnt take responsibility for the policies between 2010 and 2015 because they shared power(despite being the senior party)
Which is utter nonsense
ok so no one actually said it wasnt the tories fault as it was in a coalition? they just mentioned that there was one for several years as i did too.I guess you choose to interpret it as not our fault where as i would interpret it as its both our faults as we are both in power.Thanks for clearing that up but in future please only post what is posted as fact and not what you think it means as fact then it will save us all a lot of time trying to get to the bottom of it.Thanks
So what you are saying is the explosion in food banks over the last 12 years is the responsibility of both the Tories and the liberals? I haven't joined in the whataboutery about food banks i stick to the thread we were talking about social care where i pointed out to you that in 1997 tony blair was going to fix it so we have had a labour tory/lib dem and tory ov who have failed to fix it and its time they took politics out of it and got together to sort it.To be fair i think this is one thing that SKS might actually be able to participate in.
The thread is nothing to do with social careActually you are right sorry about that,so what do you think about labour keeping their policies secret?
No opinion on the tories addressing poverty which cat mentioned?
I've clearly give my opinion on labour above."Ive just been through all your posts yet again and once again i cannot find what you are claiming where is your opinion on labour keeping their policies secret ? | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements.
The debate was about how poverty has grown in the last 12 years.
The shy bloke made 3 references that the tories were not in power from 2010 since it was a coalition gmnt.
Unless you are being particular obtuse the inference is clear.
They shouldnt take responsibility for the policies between 2010 and 2015 because they shared power(despite being the senior party)
Which is utter nonsense
ok so no one actually said it wasnt the tories fault as it was in a coalition? they just mentioned that there was one for several years as i did too.I guess you choose to interpret it as not our fault where as i would interpret it as its both our faults as we are both in power.Thanks for clearing that up but in future please only post what is posted as fact and not what you think it means as fact then it will save us all a lot of time trying to get to the bottom of it.Thanks
So what you are saying is the explosion in food banks over the last 12 years is the responsibility of both the Tories and the liberals? I haven't joined in the whataboutery about food banks i stick to the thread we were talking about social care where i pointed out to you that in 1997 tony blair was going to fix it so we have had a labour tory/lib dem and tory ov who have failed to fix it and its time they took politics out of it and got together to sort it.To be fair i think this is one thing that SKS might actually be able to participate in.
The thread is nothing to do with social careActually you are right sorry about that,so what do you think about labour keeping their policies secret?
No opinion on the tories addressing poverty which cat mentioned?
I've clearly give my opinion on labour above.Ive just been through all your posts yet again and once again i cannot find what you are claiming where is your opinion on labour keeping their policies secret ? "The post where I said labour were a mess | |||
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" The post where I said labour were a mess" 100% Agreement on that. | |||
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"Will we ever get the Opposition the country deserves? I'm thinking that maybe we won't for at least this term of Government and the next. So. Perhaps May 2029. "boris will have to redecorate the flat again bye then  | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements.
The debate was about how poverty has grown in the last 12 years.
The shy bloke made 3 references that the tories were not in power from 2010 since it was a coalition gmnt.
Unless you are being particular obtuse the inference is clear.
They shouldnt take responsibility for the policies between 2010 and 2015 because they shared power(despite being the senior party)
Which is utter nonsense
He we go again.
The point I was making was who was in Government between the years of 2010 to 2015.
For some reason Lionel you fail to understand the UK Government was a coalition Government.
You fail to remember on almost every thread you go on.
I have not mentioned once the policies of that time.
Who was making decisions between 2010 and 2015?"Clearly as the Government was a coalition Government it was the coalition Government who were making the decisions. Again I know it is hard for you to understand that concept but that is what happened. | |||
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"Will we ever get the Opposition the country deserves? I'm thinking that maybe we won't for at least this term of Government and the next. So. Perhaps May 2029. boris will have to redecorate the flat again bye then "By | |||
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"Can we have a prize for the besr'It was nothing to.do with us guvnor argument? If so I nominate the 'we were in coalition 'one Superb I will ask again where was that posted?
3 times at least
It's not hard to find
I cant find any post that says its nothing to do with us we were in a coalition so can yo just post on it as it seems to be missing 3 times on my pc.
Course you camt
Funny how fab found it?Its a simple request lionel just post here it is under it please then i will be able to read if for myself otherwise i will just have to come to the conclusion its another one of your made up statements.
The debate was about how poverty has grown in the last 12 years.
The shy bloke made 3 references that the tories were not in power from 2010 since it was a coalition gmnt.
Unless you are being particular obtuse the inference is clear.
They shouldnt take responsibility for the policies between 2010 and 2015 because they shared power(despite being the senior party)
Which is utter nonsense
He we go again.
The point I was making was who was in Government between the years of 2010 to 2015.
For some reason Lionel you fail to understand the UK Government was a coalition Government.
You fail to remember on almost every thread you go on.
I have not mentioned once the policies of that time.
Who was making decisions between 2010 and 2015?
Clearly as the Government was a coalition Government it was the coalition Government who were making the decisions.
Again I know it is hard for you to understand that concept but that is what happened."So we have established that the conservative party were,at best, jointly responsible for the explosion of food banks in the last 12 years. Glad that's settled | |||
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"Will we ever get the Opposition the country deserves? I'm thinking that maybe we won't for at least this term of Government and the next. So. Perhaps May 2029. boris will have to redecorate the flat again bye then "Hahaha. Yup he will have worn it out with the little one picking at the corners of the wallpaper. Maybe SKS can help him go pick some like he did during the Locals lol. | |||
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