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"Perhaps the Memory of Rangers fans in Manchester Is still very Fresh in some minds." How those people behaved on Saturday or in 2008 has absolutely nothing to do with the difference in reactions. Condemn them by all means, I'm with you on that but where is the consistency? | |||
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"Probably something to do with the fact they were 2 completely different situations " Were they? Both mass gatherings with people who weren't following covid guidelines. | |||
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"Probably something to do with the fact they were 2 completely different situations Were they? Both mass gatherings with people who weren't following covid guidelines." The first quote isn't related to mass gatherings | |||
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"Probably something to do with the fact they were 2 completely different situations Were they? Both mass gatherings with people who weren't following covid guidelines. The first quote isn't related to mass gatherings" Yes it is. She said it in the aftermath of the blockade on the Southside. | |||
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"Probably something to do with the fact they were 2 completely different situations Were they? Both mass gatherings with people who weren't following covid guidelines." one was not an organised mass gathering One hadn't been bevying all day I'm assuming the 1st one wasnt there best part of the day One wasnt a reaction against a perceived injustice But apart from them Yep identical. | |||
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"Probably something to do with the fact they were 2 completely different situations Were they? Both mass gatherings with people who weren't following covid guidelines. one was not an organised mass gathering One hadn't been bevying all day I'm assuming the 1st one wasnt there best part of the day One wasnt a reaction against a perceived injustice But apart from them Yep identical." Who said they were identical?? Are you denying that they were both mass gatherings with no guidelines followed? I'm not here to argue whether the circumstances were the same, they weren't. That doesn't mean the outcome (see above) wasn't the same. Why does she utterly condemn one and not the other? We're not talking violence etc. strictly the covid regs | |||
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"Probably something to do with the fact they were 2 completely different situations Were they? Both mass gatherings with people who weren't following covid guidelines. The first quote isn't related to mass gatherings Yes it is. She said it in the aftermath of the blockade on the Southside." I don't see any contradiction between being welcoming to asylum seekers and condemning mass gatherings. | |||
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"Probably something to do with the fact they were 2 completely different situations Were they? Both mass gatherings with people who weren't following covid guidelines. one was not an organised mass gathering One hadn't been bevying all day I'm assuming the 1st one wasnt there best part of the day One wasnt a reaction against a perceived injustice But apart from them Yep identical. Who said they were identical?? Are you denying that they were both mass gatherings with no guidelines followed? I'm not here to argue whether the circumstances were the same, they weren't. That doesn't mean the outcome (see above) wasn't the same. Why does she utterly condemn one and not the other? We're not talking violence etc. strictly the covid regs" Using that argument,people leaving a burning building and gathering outside,should be criticised | |||
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"Probably something to do with the fact they were 2 completely different situations Were they? Both mass gatherings with people who weren't following covid guidelines. The first quote isn't related to mass gatherings Yes it is. She said it in the aftermath of the blockade on the Southside. I don't see any contradiction between being welcoming to asylum seekers and condemning mass gatherings." OK cool | |||
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"Probably something to do with the fact they were 2 completely different situations Were they? Both mass gatherings with people who weren't following covid guidelines. one was not an organised mass gathering One hadn't been bevying all day I'm assuming the 1st one wasnt there best part of the day One wasnt a reaction against a perceived injustice But apart from them Yep identical. Who said they were identical?? Are you denying that they were both mass gatherings with no guidelines followed? I'm not here to argue whether the circumstances were the same, they weren't. That doesn't mean the outcome (see above) wasn't the same. Why does she utterly condemn one and not the other? We're not talking violence etc. strictly the covid regs Using that argument,people leaving a burning building and gathering outside,should be criticised " If you say so | |||
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"Probably something to do with the fact they were 2 completely different situations Were they? Both mass gatherings with people who weren't following covid guidelines. one was not an organised mass gathering One hadn't been bevying all day I'm assuming the 1st one wasnt there best part of the day One wasnt a reaction against a perceived injustice But apart from them Yep identical. Who said they were identical?? Are you denying that they were both mass gatherings with no guidelines followed? I'm not here to argue whether the circumstances were the same, they weren't. That doesn't mean the outcome (see above) wasn't the same. Why does she utterly condemn one and not the other? We're not talking violence etc. strictly the covid regs Using that argument,people leaving a burning building and gathering outside,should be criticised If you say so" you will get no where here mate i would give up,ive been waiting for a straight yes or no answer that will never come on another thread about his thoughts on mass gatherings. | |||
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"If the Border Force had a court order to remove those two people, then they should have been allowed to carry it out. The optics wouldn't look good on Nicola Sturgeon, as this was happening in her MSP constituency. Not condemning it in the strongest terms, is giving a nod to mob rule. Rangers fans are still embittered with sectarianism. They see a mob as a good thing and Nicola Sturgeon was right to condemn them as she did. " Of course she was absolutely right to condemn those actions on Saturday. I say this as a boyhood Rangers fan. I'm still struggling to understand why, if you condemn one gathering that you don't condemn another. That's all. | |||
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"I could have sworn this thread was about the gathering in Scotland and not an excuse to make another personal dig. Losing count of these now." Well try answering then, if you want to engage in conversation engage dont just post random statements and ignore questions you dont want to answer because it debunks your whole argument. I stopped engaging in conversation with you months ago for the same reason but thought you might have changed but obviously not. | |||
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"I could have sworn this thread was about the gathering in Scotland and not an excuse to make another personal dig. Losing count of these now.Well try answering then, if you want to engage in conversation engage dont just post random statements and ignore questions you dont want to answer because it debunks your whole argument. I stopped engaging in conversation with you months ago for the same reason but thought you might have changed but obviously not." there’s zero chance of that lol | |||
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"It looks like double standards, regardless of the rights or wrongs of the timing of the enforcement the officers carrying it out were doing their lawful duty which they are bound to do.. It seems to be more about the push for independence in her comments about the deportation, although on the specifics of the border force I'm unsure if Scotland has the remit or is it still Westminster.. The rangers fans who attacked the police need nicking.." Its a UK Border Force, which as you say, suits her narrative perfectly. | |||
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"I could have sworn this thread was about the gathering in Scotland and not an excuse to make another personal dig. Losing count of these now.Well try answering then, if you want to engage in conversation engage dont just post random statements and ignore questions you dont want to answer because it debunks your whole argument. I stopped engaging in conversation with you months ago for the same reason but thought you might have changed but obviously not.there’s zero chance of that lol" What's that now..5? | |||
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"It looks like double standards, regardless of the rights or wrongs of the timing of the enforcement the officers carrying it out were doing their lawful duty which they are bound to do.. It seems to be more about the push for independence in her comments about the deportation, although on the specifics of the border force I'm unsure if Scotland has the remit or is it still Westminster.. The rangers fans who attacked the police need nicking.. Its a UK Border Force, which as you say, suits her narrative perfectly. " Cheers, no doubt she will have some response when it's raised.. | |||
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"It looks like double standards, regardless of the rights or wrongs of the timing of the enforcement the officers carrying it out were doing their lawful duty which they are bound to do.. It seems to be more about the push for independence in her comments about the deportation, although on the specifics of the border force I'm unsure if Scotland has the remit or is it still Westminster.. The rangers fans who attacked the police need nicking.." You could argue she was making political capital out of here,but she seems to be a million miles away from the 'ship them all home 'attitude of the current lot. I still think the 2 situations were completely different. | |||
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"It looks like double standards, regardless of the rights or wrongs of the timing of the enforcement the officers carrying it out were doing their lawful duty which they are bound to do.. It seems to be more about the push for independence in her comments about the deportation, although on the specifics of the border force I'm unsure if Scotland has the remit or is it still Westminster.. The rangers fans who attacked the police need nicking.. You could argue she was making political capital out of here,but she seems to be a million miles away from the 'ship them all home 'attitude of the current lot. I still think the 2 situations were completely different." That's my perception on it, tbh I don't know the specifics of the deportation of the two blokes.. | |||
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"It looks like double standards, regardless of the rights or wrongs of the timing of the enforcement the officers carrying it out were doing their lawful duty which they are bound to do.. It seems to be more about the push for independence in her comments about the deportation, although on the specifics of the border force I'm unsure if Scotland has the remit or is it still Westminster.. The rangers fans who attacked the police need nicking.. You could argue she was making political capital out of here,but she seems to be a million miles away from the 'ship them all home 'attitude of the current lot. I still think the 2 situations were completely different. That's my perception on it, tbh I don't know the specifics of the deportation of the two blokes.." All gatherings are different and for different reasons,as close contact and gatherings are proven to spread the virus do you think its ok to praise one and condemn the other or as i think say that all gatherings at the moment are wrong under the current circumstances? | |||
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"It looks like double standards, regardless of the rights or wrongs of the timing of the enforcement the officers carrying it out were doing their lawful duty which they are bound to do.. It seems to be more about the push for independence in her comments about the deportation, although on the specifics of the border force I'm unsure if Scotland has the remit or is it still Westminster.. The rangers fans who attacked the police need nicking.. You could argue she was making political capital out of here,but she seems to be a million miles away from the 'ship them all home 'attitude of the current lot. I still think the 2 situations were completely different. That's my perception on it, tbh I don't know the specifics of the deportation of the two blokes..All gatherings are different and for different reasons,as close contact and gatherings are proven to spread the virus do you think its ok to praise one and condemn the other or as i think say that all gatherings at the moment are wrong under the current circumstances?" I think if you want me to join in with the pack on here who seem to attack another user at any given opportunity your barking up the wrong tree fella.. | |||
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"Perhaps the Memory of Rangers fans in Manchester Is still very Fresh in some minds. How those people behaved on Saturday or in 2008 has absolutely nothing to do with the difference in reactions. Condemn them by all means, I'm with you on that but where is the consistency?" Maybe we should ask the same question on 2 other mass gatherings Women protesting the murder of a woman attacked By the police ,yet did nothing about it in march . Rangers fans out celebrating the league under full lockdown Restrictions also in march police do nothing . Consistency indeed | |||
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"It looks like double standards, regardless of the rights or wrongs of the timing of the enforcement the officers carrying it out were doing their lawful duty which they are bound to do.. It seems to be more about the push for independence in her comments about the deportation, although on the specifics of the border force I'm unsure if Scotland has the remit or is it still Westminster.. The rangers fans who attacked the police need nicking.. You could argue she was making political capital out of here,but she seems to be a million miles away from the 'ship them all home 'attitude of the current lot. I still think the 2 situations were completely different. That's my perception on it, tbh I don't know the specifics of the deportation of the two blokes..All gatherings are different and for different reasons,as close contact and gatherings are proven to spread the virus do you think its ok to praise one and condemn the other or as i think say that all gatherings at the moment are wrong under the current circumstances? I think if you want me to join in with the pack on here who seem to attack another user at any given opportunity your barking up the wrong tree fella.. " no mate it was a genuine question nothing more just looking to see how you stand on mass gathering thats all. | |||
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"In any democracy the right to protest is sacrosanct imo, obviously given the time we've lived through this last 15 months has added another element.. Am under no illusions that this present government is on a course where they want to stifle the right to protest, the recent bill is undemocratic and more akin with countries we rightly condemn who also limit protest.. For me if the protest adheres to the temporary guidelines and laws then that's good enough, if not that's up to those who we afford a duty to look at on the ground at the time.. Any crisis such as this will and is being used to bring in legislation that under normal times the majority would not accept.." Fair point i dont agree i would have preferred the uk to follow France and ban it under covid rules.As i said before it pisses me off seeing all these people putting the route out of this in doubt when i and most others have followed the rules not seen our kids or grandkids for god knows how long. | |||
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"In any democracy the right to protest is sacrosanct imo, obviously given the time we've lived through this last 15 months has added another element.. Am under no illusions that this present government is on a course where they want to stifle the right to protest, the recent bill is undemocratic and more akin with countries we rightly condemn who also limit protest.. For me if the protest adheres to the temporary guidelines and laws then that's good enough, if not that's up to those who we afford a duty to look at on the ground at the time.. Any crisis such as this will and is being used to bring in legislation that under normal times the majority would not accept..Fair point i dont agree i would have preferred the uk to follow France and ban it under covid rules.As i said before it pisses me off seeing all these people putting the route out of this in doubt when i and most others have followed the rules not seen our kids or grandkids for god knows how long." Ditto on the latter.. If you want to express your angst ask Boris why he didn't take decisive action in stopping travel to and from India perhaps? That will have a greater impact than people gathering when the numbers were low.. | |||
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"In any democracy the right to protest is sacrosanct imo, obviously given the time we've lived through this last 15 months has added another element.. Am under no illusions that this present government is on a course where they want to stifle the right to protest, the recent bill is undemocratic and more akin with countries we rightly condemn who also limit protest.. For me if the protest adheres to the temporary guidelines and laws then that's good enough, if not that's up to those who we afford a duty to look at on the ground at the time.. Any crisis such as this will and is being used to bring in legislation that under normal times the majority would not accept.." Should the right to unilaterally protest be more important than the right of people to go about their day to day lives without disruption. | |||
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"In any democracy the right to protest is sacrosanct imo, obviously given the time we've lived through this last 15 months has added another element.. Am under no illusions that this present government is on a course where they want to stifle the right to protest, the recent bill is undemocratic and more akin with countries we rightly condemn who also limit protest.. For me if the protest adheres to the temporary guidelines and laws then that's good enough, if not that's up to those who we afford a duty to look at on the ground at the time.. Any crisis such as this will and is being used to bring in legislation that under normal times the majority would not accept.. Should the right to unilaterally protest be more important than the right of people to go about their day to day lives without disruption." Depends doesn't it.. The idea of protest is to disrupt in essence, lawfully and peacefully .. People don't just protest off the cuff, there's a grievance or reason that leads up to that occuring.. The various causes, anti abortion, animal rights etc are emotive issues and as such that sets the tone and the response.. Of course it depends on which side of the various fence one sits.. | |||
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"In any democracy the right to protest is sacrosanct imo, obviously given the time we've lived through this last 15 months has added another element.. Am under no illusions that this present government is on a course where they want to stifle the right to protest, the recent bill is undemocratic and more akin with countries we rightly condemn who also limit protest.. For me if the protest adheres to the temporary guidelines and laws then that's good enough, if not that's up to those who we afford a duty to look at on the ground at the time.. Any crisis such as this will and is being used to bring in legislation that under normal times the majority would not accept.. Should the right to unilaterally protest be more important than the right of people to go about their day to day lives without disruption. Depends doesn't it.. The idea of protest is to disrupt in essence, lawfully and peacefully .. People don't just protest off the cuff, there's a grievance or reason that leads up to that occuring.. The various causes, anti abortion, animal rights etc are emotive issues and as such that sets the tone and the response.. Of course it depends on which side of the various fence one sits.." I'm not sure I would go along with the premise that the idea of protest is to disrupt. | |||
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"In any democracy the right to protest is sacrosanct imo, obviously given the time we've lived through this last 15 months has added another element.. Am under no illusions that this present government is on a course where they want to stifle the right to protest, the recent bill is undemocratic and more akin with countries we rightly condemn who also limit protest.. For me if the protest adheres to the temporary guidelines and laws then that's good enough, if not that's up to those who we afford a duty to look at on the ground at the time.. Any crisis such as this will and is being used to bring in legislation that under normal times the majority would not accept.. Should the right to unilaterally protest be more important than the right of people to go about their day to day lives without disruption. Depends doesn't it.. The idea of protest is to disrupt in essence, lawfully and peacefully .. People don't just protest off the cuff, there's a grievance or reason that leads up to that occuring.. The various causes, anti abortion, animal rights etc are emotive issues and as such that sets the tone and the response.. Of course it depends on which side of the various fence one sits.. I'm not sure I would go along with the premise that the idea of protest is to disrupt. " Disruption is part of it, bringing attention to an issue probably more so.. | |||
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"In any democracy the right to protest is sacrosanct imo, obviously given the time we've lived through this last 15 months has added another element.. Am under no illusions that this present government is on a course where they want to stifle the right to protest, the recent bill is undemocratic and more akin with countries we rightly condemn who also limit protest.. For me if the protest adheres to the temporary guidelines and laws then that's good enough, if not that's up to those who we afford a duty to look at on the ground at the time.. Any crisis such as this will and is being used to bring in legislation that under normal times the majority would not accept..Fair point i dont agree i would have preferred the uk to follow France and ban it under covid rules.As i said before it pisses me off seeing all these people putting the route out of this in doubt when i and most others have followed the rules not seen our kids or grandkids for god knows how long. Ditto on the latter.. If you want to express your angst ask Boris why he didn't take decisive action in stopping travel to and from India perhaps? That will have a greater impact than people gathering when the numbers were low.." As i said in another post to the same question i take the answer that was given on andrew marr as the reason but tbh i haven't seen any of the media mention it. | |||
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"Hancock is saying they closed the borders before the new variant hit India There were 100,000 a day on the 5th of april,they were added to the red list on the 23rd..but announced on the 19th. According to ITV news the new variant was 1st discovered in march." If you actually watched the programme it was explained how they came to the conclusion as to when to make India a red list country.Im not going to waste my time explaining it to you as it will be a total waste of time.Watch the programme but guess you dont need to as your mind is already made up. | |||
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"Hancock is saying they closed the borders before the new variant hit India There were 100,000 a day on the 5th of april,they were added to the red list on the 23rd..but announced on the 19th. According to ITV news the new variant was 1st discovered in march.If you actually watched the programme it was explained how they came to the conclusion as to when to make India a red list country.Im not going to waste my time explaining it to you as it will be a total waste of time.Watch the programme but guess you dont need to as your mind is already made up." What bit of my post was incorrect? | |||
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"Hancock is saying they closed the borders before the new variant hit India There were 100,000 a day on the 5th of april,they were added to the red list on the 23rd..but announced on the 19th. According to ITV news the new variant was 1st discovered in march.If you actually watched the programme it was explained how they came to the conclusion as to when to make India a red list country.Im not going to waste my time explaining it to you as it will be a total waste of time.Watch the programme but guess you dont need to as your mind is already made up. What bit of my post was incorrect?" I dont know if any of it is or not as i have not gone and fact checked you.But going by your past posts where you didnt know that the test raves in liverpool were all covid tested 1st or that the crowds at wembely were too the fact you think a family travelling in a car spreads the virus as much as 150,000 people in the street i will pass on wasting my time thanks. | |||
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"Hancock is saying they closed the borders before the new variant hit India There were 100,000 a day on the 5th of april,they were added to the red list on the 23rd..but announced on the 19th. According to ITV news the new variant was 1st discovered in march.If you actually watched the programme it was explained how they came to the conclusion as to when to make India a red list country.Im not going to waste my time explaining it to you as it will be a total waste of time.Watch the programme but guess you dont need to as your mind is already made up. What bit of my post was incorrect? I dont know if any of it is or not as i have not gone and fact checked you.But going by your past posts where you didnt know that the test raves in liverpool were all covid tested 1st or that the crowds at wembely were too the fact you think a family travelling in a car spreads the virus as much as 150,000 people in the street i will pass on wasting my time thanks." Was this the same rave where you said everyone was vaccinated? And if you point out exactly where I said 150,000 spread as much as 1 family in a car it would be much appreciated? And once again you cant even bring yourself to say a word of critiscm against anyone connected to the gmnt. Point well and truly proven. | |||
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"Hancock is saying they closed the borders before the new variant hit India There were 100,000 a day on the 5th of april,they were added to the red list on the 23rd..but announced on the 19th. According to ITV news the new variant was 1st discovered in march.If you actually watched the programme it was explained how they came to the conclusion as to when to make India a red list country.Im not going to waste my time explaining it to you as it will be a total waste of time.Watch the programme but guess you dont need to as your mind is already made up. What bit of my post was incorrect? I dont know if any of it is or not as i have not gone and fact checked you.But going by your past posts where you didnt know that the test raves in liverpool were all covid tested 1st or that the crowds at wembely were too the fact you think a family travelling in a car spreads the virus as much as 150,000 people in the street i will pass on wasting my time thanks. Was this the same rave where you said everyone was vaccinated? And if you point out exactly where I said 150,000 spread as much as 1 family in a car it would be much appreciated? And once again you cant even bring yourself to say a word of critiscm against anyone connected to the gmnt. Point well and truly proven. " I never said everyone was vaccinated so dont start making stuff up to deflect from you ignorance on the subject,read back on your comment about cummins when you compare that to the 150,000 morons on a post you can only draw on conclusion otherwise why say it? | |||
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"Hancock is saying they closed the borders before the new variant hit India There were 100,000 a day on the 5th of april,they were added to the red list on the 23rd..but announced on the 19th. According to ITV news the new variant was 1st discovered in march.If you actually watched the programme it was explained how they came to the conclusion as to when to make India a red list country.Im not going to waste my time explaining it to you as it will be a total waste of time.Watch the programme but guess you dont need to as your mind is already made up. What bit of my post was incorrect? I dont know if any of it is or not as i have not gone and fact checked you.But going by your past posts where you didnt know that the test raves in liverpool were all covid tested 1st or that the crowds at wembely were too the fact you think a family travelling in a car spreads the virus as much as 150,000 people in the street i will pass on wasting my time thanks. Was this the same rave where you said everyone was vaccinated? And if you point out exactly where I said 150,000 spread as much as 1 family in a car it would be much appreciated? And once again you cant even bring yourself to say a word of critiscm against anyone connected to the gmnt. Point well and truly proven. I never said everyone was vaccinated so dont start making stuff up to deflect from you ignorance on the subject,read back on your comment about cummins when you compare that to the 150,000 morons on a post you can only draw on conclusion otherwise why say it?" I'll ask again Where exactly did I say 150,000 people spread the virus as quickly as a family in a car? | |||
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"Hancock is saying they closed the borders before the new variant hit India There were 100,000 a day on the 5th of april,they were added to the red list on the 23rd..but announced on the 19th. According to ITV news the new variant was 1st discovered in march.If you actually watched the programme it was explained how they came to the conclusion as to when to make India a red list country.Im not going to waste my time explaining it to you as it will be a total waste of time.Watch the programme but guess you dont need to as your mind is already made up. What bit of my post was incorrect? I dont know if any of it is or not as i have not gone and fact checked you.But going by your past posts where you didnt know that the test raves in liverpool were all covid tested 1st or that the crowds at wembely were too the fact you think a family travelling in a car spreads the virus as much as 150,000 people in the street i will pass on wasting my time thanks. Was this the same rave where you said everyone was vaccinated? And if you point out exactly where I said 150,000 spread as much as 1 family in a car it would be much appreciated? And once again you cant even bring yourself to say a word of critiscm against anyone connected to the gmnt. Point well and truly proven. I never said everyone was vaccinated so dont start making stuff up to deflect from you ignorance on the subject,read back on your comment about cummins when you compare that to the 150,000 morons on a post you can only draw on conclusion otherwise why say it? I'll ask again Where exactly did I say 150,000 people spread the virus as quickly as a family in a car?" yes sorry you did actually see the difference i was wrong on that but not on the the other two facts. | |||
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"If the Border Force had a court order to remove those two people, then they should have been allowed to carry it out. The optics wouldn't look good on Nicola Sturgeon, as this was happening in her MSP constituency. Not condemning it in the strongest terms, is giving a nod to mob rule. Rangers fans are still embittered with sectarianism. They see a mob as a good thing and Nicola Sturgeon was right to condemn them as she did. Of course she was absolutely right to condemn those actions on Saturday. I say this as a boyhood Rangers fan. I'm still struggling to understand why, if you condemn one gathering that you don't condemn another. That's all." It wasn't a gathering it was a bigoted sectarian hatefest by thousands of hooligan scumbags,hope that clears it up for you | |||
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