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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/11/anger-over-failure-in-queens-speech-to-set-out-social-care-plans 8 words. Wasnt there more in there about cats? So yet another pledge broken to add to the dozens of others. you can see why so many people voted for them. They get things 'done ' Good luck with those 20,000 new jobs btw " social care is shocking in this country as been for yrs needs billions pumped into it mental health will sore in the next few years due to covid aswell | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/11/anger-over-failure-in-queens-speech-to-set-out-social-care-plans 8 words. Wasnt there more in there about cats? So yet another pledge broken to add to the dozens of others. you can see why so many people voted for them. They get things 'done ' Good luck with those 20,000 new jobs btw social care is shocking in this country as been for yrs needs billions pumped into it mental health will sore in the next few years due to covid aswell " Dont fret. Alex said in 2019 he had a cunning plan... | |||
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"Yep i agree there should be something done about care homes and how much they cost but dont agree that they should be used as a political football and there should be a cross party group to find the best solution. People should not have to sell their house or use there life savings in their old age." spot on | |||
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"The gmnt have a responsibility to provide social care but it's not a political issue
"If you cant read what i posted i cant help you  its not the first time you have been pulled on this though is it? | |||
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"Yep i agree there should be something done about care homes and how much they cost but dont agree that they should be used as a political football and there should be a cross party group to find the best solution. People should not have to sell their house or use there life savings in their old age." It's not just old age, if you end up needing care home or nursing home help at an early age and you have assets/savings in excess of £23,250 - you pay! | |||
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"Yep i agree there should be something done about care homes and how much they cost but dont agree that they should be used as a political football and there should be a cross party group to find the best solution. People should not have to sell their house or use there life savings in their old age. It's not just old age, if you end up needing care home or nursing home help at an early age and you have assets/savings in excess of £23,250 - you pay! " Isnt it 30k? Was reading something about it before I think everyone has to contribute something | |||
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"Yep i agree there should be something done about care homes and how much they cost but dont agree that they should be used as a political football and there should be a cross party group to find the best solution. People should not have to sell their house or use there life savings in their old age. It's not just old age, if you end up needing care home or nursing home help at an early age and you have assets/savings in excess of £23,250 - you pay! " thats true | |||
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"The gmnt have a responsibility to provide social care but it's not a political issue
If you cant read what i posted i cant help you its not the first time you have been pulled on this though is it?"Labour Voters are 'thick' remember - they won't know what CROSS-PARTY discussions means. | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya." What's good for the goose and all that ay  | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya." This post has not really gone the way you envisaged has it? | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya." hahaha Says Mr Snipe at Conservative everything. "CROSS-PARTY means ALL parties" However. | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya." Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya.This post has not really gone the way you envisaged has it? "Of course it hasn't. He expected us all to jump in and say 'how dare you' | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya.This post has not really gone the way you envisaged has it? " | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya.This post has not really gone the way you envisaged has it?
Of course it hasn't. He expected us all to jump in and say 'how dare you' " | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess " | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess "
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
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" Freedom of opinion in action again " But ONLY your opinion lmfao | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
"Whose Alex? if you want a debate grow up and act like an adult and put forward a sensible idea instead of just slagging of the government TM was pm two years ago. | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
Whose Alex? if you want a debate grow up and act like an adult and put forward a sensible idea instead of just slagging of the government TM was pm two years ago."Alex is the 1st name of our pm Alex made the speech in 2019 Last time I checked,I wasmt responsible for implementing health care policy Glad to help  | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
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"You do know that governments set out a five year plan and as it said in your bible it is being brought forward to the autumn so just try for once and have a bit of patience. | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
Whose Alex? if you want a debate grow up and act like an adult and put forward a sensible idea instead of just slagging of the government TM was pm two years ago.
Alex is the 1st name of our pm
Alex made the speech in 2019
Last time I checked,I wasmt responsible for implementing health care policy
Glad to help
"So you just want to moan and complain, again, if it's so easy why dont YOU have some suggestions as to how to it could be improved, you seem to spend all day everyday on this site perhaps you could give it some thought, after all you seem to have plenty to say on most subjects but not sure I've ever seen you post a positive thought out suggestion on any subject. | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
Whose Alex? if you want a debate grow up and act like an adult and put forward a sensible idea instead of just slagging of the government TM was pm two years ago.
Alex is the 1st name of our pm
Alex made the speech in 2019
Last time I checked,I wasmt responsible for implementing health care policy
Glad to help
So you just want to moan and complain, again, if it's so easy why dont YOU have some suggestions as to how to it could be improved, you seem to spend all day everyday on this site perhaps you could give it some thought, after all you seem to have plenty to say on most subjects but not sure I've ever seen you post a positive thought out suggestion on any subject."Now now..no need to get personal | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
Whose Alex? if you want a debate grow up and act like an adult and put forward a sensible idea instead of just slagging of the government TM was pm two years ago.
Alex is the 1st name of our pm
Alex made the speech in 2019
Last time I checked,I wasmt responsible for implementing health care policy
Glad to help
So you just want to moan and complain, again, if it's so easy why dont YOU have some suggestions as to how to it could be improved, you seem to spend all day everyday on this site perhaps you could give it some thought, after all you seem to have plenty to say on most subjects but not sure I've ever seen you post a positive thought out suggestion on any subject.
Now now..no need to get personal "So still no ideas then. | |||
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"Yep i agree there should be something done about care homes and how much they cost but dont agree that they should be used as a political football and there should be a cross party group to find the best solution. People should not have to sell their house or use there life savings in their old age.spot on " "People should not have to sell their house or use there life savings in their old age" They can't take it with them so why not use it to better your later years? Or is it just greed by the children? | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
Whose Alex? if you want a debate grow up and act like an adult and put forward a sensible idea instead of just slagging of the government TM was pm two years ago.
Alex is the 1st name of our pm
Alex made the speech in 2019
Last time I checked,I wasmt responsible for implementing health care policy
Glad to help
So you just want to moan and complain, again, if it's so easy why dont YOU have some suggestions as to how to it could be improved, you seem to spend all day everyday on this site perhaps you could give it some thought, after all you seem to have plenty to say on most subjects but not sure I've ever seen you post a positive thought out suggestion on any subject.
Now now..no need to get personal
So still no ideas then."This is going to sound a strange question.. but shouldnt you really be asking that of the people who,you know,are paid to answer it? 2 years ago he said he had a plan to deal with it. This plan appears to extend to 8 words. | |||
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"Yep i agree there should be something done about care homes and how much they cost but dont agree that they should be used as a political football and there should be a cross party group to find the best solution. " Last person to try and do this was (I think) Andy Burnham. It never flew because Lansley refused to take part. | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
Whose Alex? if you want a debate grow up and act like an adult and put forward a sensible idea instead of just slagging of the government TM was pm two years ago.
Alex is the 1st name of our pm
Alex made the speech in 2019
Last time I checked,I wasmt responsible for implementing health care policy
Glad to help
So you just want to moan and complain, again, if it's so easy why dont YOU have some suggestions as to how to it could be improved, you seem to spend all day everyday on this site perhaps you could give it some thought, after all you seem to have plenty to say on most subjects but not sure I've ever seen you post a positive thought out suggestion on any subject.
Now now..no need to get personal
So still no ideas then.
This is going to sound a strange question.. but shouldnt you really be asking that of the people who,you know,are paid to answer it?
2 years ago he said he had a plan to deal with it.
This plan appears to extend to 8 words.
"If that is the case then why start a thread about social care, Why not write to the government and ask them ? You do realise forums are used to discuss things and its normal for the person that's starts a thread to contribute an idea, if we look back at all the ones you have started will we ever find a single post from you than contributes a practical solution , I somehow doubt it, go on break your habit suggest a thought out practical idea on how social care can be improved and paid for fairly. | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
Whose Alex? if you want a debate grow up and act like an adult and put forward a sensible idea instead of just slagging of the government TM was pm two years ago." | |||
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"Yep i agree there should be something done about care homes and how much they cost but dont agree that they should be used as a political football and there should be a cross party group to find the best solution. Last person to try and do this was (I think) Andy Burnham. It never flew because Lansley refused to take part." Well its time they had another go in my opinion. | |||
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"Yep i agree there should be something done about care homes and how much they cost but dont agree that they should be used as a political football and there should be a cross party group to find the best solution. Last person to try and do this was (I think) Andy Burnham. It never flew because Lansley refused to take part.Well its time they had another go in my opinion." And include the nhs too, we need a joined up system not too separated ones competing for money while trying to push people too each other to avoid costs. | |||
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"Yep i agree there should be something done about care homes and how much they cost but dont agree that they should be used as a political football and there should be a cross party group to find the best solution. Last person to try and do this was (I think) Andy Burnham. It never flew because Lansley refused to take part.Well its time they had another go in my opinion. And include the nhs too, we need a joined up system not too separated ones competing for money while trying to push people too each other to avoid costs." Totally agree. | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
Whose Alex? if you want a debate grow up and act like an adult and put forward a sensible idea instead of just slagging of the government TM was pm two years ago.
Alex is the 1st name of our pm
Alex made the speech in 2019
Last time I checked,I wasmt responsible for implementing health care policy
Glad to help
So you just want to moan and complain, again, if it's so easy why dont YOU have some suggestions as to how to it could be improved, you seem to spend all day everyday on this site perhaps you could give it some thought, after all you seem to have plenty to say on most subjects but not sure I've ever seen you post a positive thought out suggestion on any subject.
Now now..no need to get personal
So still no ideas then.
This is going to sound a strange question.. but shouldnt you really be asking that of the people who,you know,are paid to answer it?
2 years ago he said he had a plan to deal with it.
This plan appears to extend to 8 words.
If that is the case then why start a thread about social care, Why not write to the government and ask them ?
You do realise forums are used to discuss things and its normal for the person that's starts a thread to contribute an idea, if we look back at all the ones you have started will we ever find a single post from you than contributes a practical solution
, I somehow doubt it, go on break your habit suggest a thought out practical idea on how social care can be improved and paid for fairly."As you seen incapable of making a post without making it personal,I'll bid you good day | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
Whose Alex? if you want a debate grow up and act like an adult and put forward a sensible idea instead of just slagging of the government TM was pm two years ago.
Alex is the 1st name of our pm
Alex made the speech in 2019
Last time I checked,I wasmt responsible for implementing health care policy
Glad to help
So you just want to moan and complain, again, if it's so easy why dont YOU have some suggestions as to how to it could be improved, you seem to spend all day everyday on this site perhaps you could give it some thought, after all you seem to have plenty to say on most subjects but not sure I've ever seen you post a positive thought out suggestion on any subject.
Now now..no need to get personal
So still no ideas then.
This is going to sound a strange question.. but shouldnt you really be asking that of the people who,you know,are paid to answer it?
2 years ago he said he had a plan to deal with it.
This plan appears to extend to 8 words.
If that is the case then why start a thread about social care, Why not write to the government and ask them ?
You do realise forums are used to discuss things and its normal for the person that's starts a thread to contribute an idea, if we look back at all the ones you have started will we ever find a single post from you than contributes a practical solution
, I somehow doubt it, go on break your habit suggest a thought out practical idea on how social care can be improved and paid for fairly.
As you seen incapable of making a post without making it personal,I'll bid you good day
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
"Being critical of the government is frowned upon on here, you have to stick to the Tory party line and blame everyone else. | |||
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"Yep i agree there should be something done about care homes and how much they cost but dont agree that they should be used as a political football and there should be a cross party group to find the best solution. People should not have to sell their house or use there life savings in their old age." This | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
Being critical of the government is frowned upon on here, you have to stick to the Tory party line and blame everyone else. "I find it quite amusing the way some random lad on a forum should have the solution to a national issue, when,silly me,I thought that's what alex and his chums were paid for. It was in the same with covid.. well what would you do? Apparently you cant discuss t gmnt policy unless you have the solution to the problem | |||
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"But you do have a solution to the problem. Your vote." As I'm sure you know, most votes in this country are not all worth the same. A vote in a 3 way marginal (there is one in the Western Isles) is much more valuable than one in a safe seat. But - on topic - could someone explain to me why old people, who have benefited from massive growth in the value of their property, while leaving the world at the point of environmental disaster, should benefit from free social care? Is it just because the old are more likely to vote (and vote in their own economic interest)? | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
Being critical of the government is frowned upon on here, you have to stick to the Tory party line and blame everyone else.
I find it quite amusing the way some random lad on a forum should have the solution to a national issue, when,silly me,I thought that's what alex and his chums were paid for.
It was in the same with covid.. well what would you do?
Apparently you cant discuss t gmnt policy unless you have the solution to the problem
"This seems to be the case on here, don’t ever question the government because they know best and you don’t, you need to know your place and stay silent, reminds me of communist China & Russia. | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
Being critical of the government is frowned upon on here, you have to stick to the Tory party line and blame everyone else.
I find it quite amusing the way some random lad on a forum should have the solution to a national issue, when,silly me,I thought that's what alex and his chums were paid for.
It was in the same with covid.. well what would you do?
Apparently you cant discuss t gmnt policy unless you have the solution to the problem
This seems to be the case on here, don’t ever question the government because they know best and you don’t, you need to know your place and stay silent, reminds me of communist China & Russia. "It's fine to question the government but you, lionel and a couple others never suggest a different way, it's just "the tories are c....s " social care has been an issue for many years 13 of which we had a labour government who did bugger all about it, we have a ageing population and we need to find a fair way to deal with it, of course those over 50 will vote against any party that proposes an expensive solution, some of us have got valuable property but have worked hard and saved, others have blown their money . Regardless care still needs paying for. This could be an interesting non political thread if you contribute positively | |||
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"A thread about care home decends into sniping at labour voters in the space of 8 posts. Shocked I am..I tells ya. Says the man who started out the thread with a dig at the tories, it's a huge debate, you made it political which is why it and the NHS are a mess
You realise the gmnt are in power
You realise alex said he would fix social care 2 years ago?
And by pointing that he hasn't done it,is having a dig?
Freedom of opinion in action again
Being critical of the government is frowned upon on here, you have to stick to the Tory party line and blame everyone else.
I find it quite amusing the way some random lad on a forum should have the solution to a national issue, when,silly me,I thought that's what alex and his chums were paid for.
It was in the same with covid.. well what would you do?
Apparently you cant discuss t gmnt policy unless you have the solution to the problem
This seems to be the case on here, don’t ever question the government because they know best and you don’t, you need to know your place and stay silent, reminds me of communist China & Russia. "who is saying that then? all ive seen is a general consensus that it should be sorted across party lines and not make it political. | |||
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"of course those over 50 will vote against any party that proposes an expensive solution, some of us have got valuable property" Please don't treat the over 50s as a homogeneous group. Some of us vote in the interests of people less fortunate than ourselves (and the country, frankly). | |||
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"of course those over 50 will vote against any party that proposes an expensive solution, some of us have got valuable property Please don't treat the over 50s as a homogeneous group. Some of us vote in the interests of people less fortunate than ourselves (and the country, frankly)." The people less fortunate would include those who can't afford later life care  | |||
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" The people less fortunate would include those who can't afford later life care "Quite. And your point is? | |||
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" The people less fortunate would include those who can't afford later life care
Quite. And your point is?"Yeah, I'm not sure i can explain it to you | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/11/anger-over-failure-in-queens-speech-to-set-out-social-care-plans 8 words. Wasnt there more in there about cats? So yet another pledge broken to add to the dozens of others. you can see why so many people voted for them. They get things 'done ' Good luck with those 20,000 new jobs btw " . This is an area the that Labour party could have homed in on as the Conservative policies are weak in this area . Instead they concentrated on what they considered to be more important things such as who paid for Boris Johnsons wallpaper and completely ignored the elderly . Having a bona fide plan to care for the elderly is probably a considerable vote puller as no one likes having to sell their house in order to fund care . . A number of options could be considered to increase funding a. Additional taxation for those over 45 b. Facility to make a one off payment to cover all future care costs . It might be expensive but many would prefer to make a one off payment ( maybe £40,000 ) and at least you would then know that is the maximum care costs you would ever pay . If readily available funds were not available a charge could be registered against your property to prevent its sale c. Make pensioners pay national insurance ( many pensioners are considerably better off than young people ) . The grim reality is that care of the elderly is one of the greatest issues that society will face in the future . While additional tax may not be popular it would be great if all political parties could work together to resolve the issue . | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/11/anger-over-failure-in-queens-speech-to-set-out-social-care-plans 8 words. Wasnt there more in there about cats? So yet another pledge broken to add to the dozens of others. you can see why so many people voted for them. They get things 'done ' Good luck with those 20,000 new jobs btw . This is an area the that Labour party could have homed in on as the Conservative policies are weak in this area . Instead they concentrated on what they considered to be more important things such as who paid for Boris Johnsons wallpaper and completely ignored the elderly . Having a bona fide plan to care for the elderly is probably a considerable vote puller as no one likes having to sell their house in order to fund care . . A number of options could be considered to increase funding a. Additional taxation for those over 45 b. Facility to make a one off payment to cover all future care costs . It might be expensive but many would prefer to make a one off payment ( maybe £40,000 ) and at least you would then know that is the maximum care costs you would ever pay . If readily available funds were not available a charge could be registered against your property to prevent its sale c. Make pensioners pay national insurance ( many pensioners are considerably better off than young people ) . The grim reality is that care of the elderly is one of the greatest issues that society will face in the future . While additional tax may not be popular it would be great if all political parties could work together to resolve the issue . " Little pointer for you. UK social care is not the responsibility of hartlepool county council | |||
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" Yeah, I'm not sure i can explain it to you "Well, just do the best you can and I'll see if I can catch your drift. I don't discriminate against people who are not good at self-expression. | |||
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Well, just do the best you can and I'll see if I can catch your drift. I don't discriminate against people who are not good at self-expression." | |||
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" A number of options could be considered to increase funding a. Additional taxation for those over 45 " An age tax? How are the Tories ever going to go for that when that is their demographic? " b. Facility to make a one off payment to cover all future care costs . " This is essentially what Dilnot's proposals led to - the Tories just let it drift away having promised to implement it in their manifesto "c. Make pensioners pay national insurance ( many pensioners are considerably better off than young people ) ." National insurance is paid on income not wealth - some confusion here. d) Increase income tax - Tory vote loser e) Kick can down road. Well, this one has worked for decades for both major parties... | |||
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"The gmnt have a responsibility to provide social care but it's not a political issue
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"The gmnt have a responsibility to provide social care but it's not a political issue
* government*"Of course its up to politicians but should not be used as a political football every mp who is voted into parliament have a duty to their electorate to get this right. | |||
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"Pmq Do you have a plan for social care? Yes Is the answer..labour have had 13 years and didnt do it. Has this clown ever answered a question in his entire life? Pmq is farcical " You can’t expect a man who doesn’t know how many children he has to answer a question on his plans for social care, | |||
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"yes i enjoyed pmq,s today SKS was a complete joke who cant comprehend simple English it seems wasted questions yet again." Starmer asks questions, Boris is supposed to answer, tbh, PMQs is a waste of time when the Prime minister won’t answer the questions | |||
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"Pmq Do you have a plan for social care? Yes Is the answer..labour have had 13 years and didnt do it. Has this clown ever answered a question in his entire life? Pmq is farcical You can’t expect a man who doesn’t know how many children he has to answer a question on his plans for social care, "Its truly astonishing to watch Every single question he just waffles shite No wonder he doesnt do interviews | |||
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"Pmq Do you have a plan for social care? Yes Is the answer..labour have had 13 years and didnt do it. Has this clown ever answered a question in his entire life? Pmq is farcical You can’t expect a man who doesn’t know how many children he has to answer a question on his plans for social care,
Its truly astonishing to watch
Every single question he just waffles shite
No wonder he doesnt do interviews "PMQs , Prime Ministers Questions, complete waste of time when Spaffer is the PM , | |||
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"Pmq Do you have a plan for social care? Yes Is the answer..labour have had 13 years and didnt do it. Has this clown ever answered a question in his entire life? Pmq is farcical You can’t expect a man who doesn’t know how many children he has to answer a question on his plans for social care,
Its truly astonishing to watch
Every single question he just waffles shite
No wonder he doesnt do interviews
PMQs , Prime Ministers Questions, complete waste of time when Spaffer is the PM , "Totally I know who is a good person to run the country..an over privileged lying buffoon who cannot answer a simple question. | |||
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"Pmq Do you have a plan for social care? Yes Is the answer..labour have had 13 years and didnt do it. Has this clown ever answered a question in his entire life? Pmq is farcical You can’t expect a man who doesn’t know how many children he has to answer a question on his plans for social care,
Its truly astonishing to watch
Every single question he just waffles shite
No wonder he doesnt do interviews
PMQs , Prime Ministers Questions, complete waste of time when Spaffer is the PM ,
Totally
I know who is a good person to run the country..an over privileged lying buffoon who cannot answer a simple question."Yeah but, what about when Labour were in power 12 years ago? Could you do better? What are your solutions ? | |||
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"Pmq Do you have a plan for social care? Yes Is the answer..labour have had 13 years and didnt do it. Has this clown ever answered a question in his entire life? Pmq is farcical You can’t expect a man who doesn’t know how many children he has to answer a question on his plans for social care,
Its truly astonishing to watch
Every single question he just waffles shite
No wonder he doesnt do interviews
PMQs , Prime Ministers Questions, complete waste of time when Spaffer is the PM ,
Totally
I know who is a good person to run the country..an over privileged lying buffoon who cannot answer a simple question.
Yeah but, what about when Labour were in power 12 years ago? Could you do better? What are your solutions ? " | |||
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"Pmq Do you have a plan for social care? Yes Is the answer..labour have had 13 years and didnt do it. Has this clown ever answered a question in his entire life? Pmq is farcical You can’t expect a man who doesn’t know how many children he has to answer a question on his plans for social care,
Its truly astonishing to watch
Every single question he just waffles shite
No wonder he doesnt do interviews
PMQs , Prime Ministers Questions, complete waste of time when Spaffer is the PM ,
Totally
I know who is a good person to run the country..an over privileged lying buffoon who cannot answer a simple question.
Yeah but, what about when Labour were in power 12 years ago? Could you do better? What are your solutions ? "A good question what are their solutions ? | |||
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"Pmq Do you have a plan for social care? Yes Is the answer..labour have had 13 years and didnt do it. Has this clown ever answered a question in his entire life? Pmq is farcical You can’t expect a man who doesn’t know how many children he has to answer a question on his plans for social care,
Its truly astonishing to watch
Every single question he just waffles shite
No wonder he doesnt do interviews
PMQs , Prime Ministers Questions, complete waste of time when Spaffer is the PM ,
Totally
I know who is a good person to run the country..an over privileged lying buffoon who cannot answer a simple question.
Yeah but, what about when Labour were in power 12 years ago? Could you do better? What are your solutions ? A good question what are their solutions ?"Irrelevant, it is PMQs, not Kier Starmer and the oppositions questions | |||
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"Pmq Do you have a plan for social care? Yes Is the answer..labour have had 13 years and didnt do it. Has this clown ever answered a question in his entire life? Pmq is farcical You can’t expect a man who doesn’t know how many children he has to answer a question on his plans for social care,
Its truly astonishing to watch
Every single question he just waffles shite
No wonder he doesnt do interviews
PMQs , Prime Ministers Questions, complete waste of time when Spaffer is the PM ,
Totally
I know who is a good person to run the country..an over privileged lying buffoon who cannot answer a simple question.
Yeah but, what about when Labour were in power 12 years ago? Could you do better? What are your solutions ? A good question what are their solutions ?
Irrelevant, it is PMQs, not Kier Starmer and the oppositions questions "Im asking in general any idea what their solution to the problem is? | |||
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"Many a time I've unable to do my work, and when asked about it,I say what would you do? Everyone does it,don't they?" If I make a mistake at work I blame the person who had the job 12 years ago, | |||
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"Many a time I've unable to do my work, and when asked about it,I say what would you do? Everyone does it,don't they?" Always good to brainstorm mate the best way to get results. | |||
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"Many a time I've unable to do my work, and when asked about it,I say what would you do? Everyone does it,don't they? If I make a mistake at work I blame the person who had the job 12 years ago, " Well its obviously their fault isnt it? Once again we have ventured into surrealism where we cannot ask why the gmnt have not done, what they explicitly said they would do,2 years ago. | |||
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"Many a time I've unable to do my work, and when asked about it,I say what would you do? Everyone does it,don't they? If I make a mistake at work I blame the person who had the job 12 years ago, Well its obviously their fault isnt it? Once again we have ventured into surrealism where we cannot ask why the gmnt have not done, what they explicitly said they would do,2 years ago." As i have said before it calls for a cross party committee to sort it out once and for all and take the petty politics out of it. | |||
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"Many a time I've unable to do my work, and when asked about it,I say what would you do? Everyone does it,don't they? If I make a mistake at work I blame the person who had the job 12 years ago, Well its obviously their fault isnt it? Once again we have ventured into surrealism where we cannot ask why the gmnt have not done, what they explicitly said they would do,2 years ago.As i have said before it calls for a cross party committee to sort it out once and for all and take the petty politics out of it. " Does that take 12 years? | |||
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"Many a time I've unable to do my work, and when asked about it,I say what would you do? Everyone does it,don't they? If I make a mistake at work I blame the person who had the job 12 years ago, Well its obviously their fault isnt it? Once again we have ventured into surrealism where we cannot ask why the gmnt have not done, what they explicitly said they would do,2 years ago.As i have said before it calls for a cross party committee to sort it out once and for all and take the petty politics out of it. Does that take 12 years?" Its taken about 25 years so far. | |||
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"Many a time I've unable to do my work, and when asked about it,I say what would you do? Everyone does it,don't they? If I make a mistake at work I blame the person who had the job 12 years ago, Well its obviously their fault isnt it? Once again we have ventured into surrealism where we cannot ask why the gmnt have not done, what they explicitly said they would do,2 years ago.As i have said before it calls for a cross party committee to sort it out once and for all and take the petty politics out of it. Does that take 12 years?Its taken about 25 years so far." Hmmm not really what I asked. If they knew labour had not addressed it,surely the sensible option would have been to address it then,as opposed to wait for over a decade, and do nothing as it steadily gets worse? | |||
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"Many a time I've unable to do my work, and when asked about it,I say what would you do? Everyone does it,don't they? If I make a mistake at work I blame the person who had the job 12 years ago, Well its obviously their fault isnt it? Once again we have ventured into surrealism where we cannot ask why the gmnt have not done, what they explicitly said they would do,2 years ago.As i have said before it calls for a cross party committee to sort it out once and for all and take the petty politics out of it. Does that take 12 years?Its taken about 25 years so far. Hmmm not really what I asked. If they knew labour had not addressed it,surely the sensible option would have been to address it then,as opposed to wait for over a decade, and do nothing as it steadily gets worse?" Exactly they found it too complicated to sort out along with a tory/lib dem gov and now a tory one,thats the reason i said it needs a cross party solution what do you think? | |||
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"Many a time I've unable to do my work, and when asked about it,I say what would you do? Everyone does it,don't they? If I make a mistake at work I blame the person who had the job 12 years ago, Well its obviously their fault isnt it? Once again we have ventured into surrealism where we cannot ask why the gmnt have not done, what they explicitly said they would do,2 years ago.As i have said before it calls for a cross party committee to sort it out once and for all and take the petty politics out of it. Does that take 12 years?Its taken about 25 years so far. Hmmm not really what I asked. If they knew labour had not addressed it,surely the sensible option would have been to address it then,as opposed to wait for over a decade, and do nothing as it steadily gets worse?Exactly they found it too complicated to sort out along with a tory/lib dem gov and now a tory one,thats the reason i said it needs a cross party solution what do you think?" Even if it does require a cross party solution, as I'm not sure about, this still could have been done 12 years ago. | |||
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" Even if it does require a cross party solution, as I'm not sure about, this still could have been done 12 years ago." It could, but it hasn't in 25. Conservatives specifically said that 'they will bring it forward' (so I'm guessing that that means earlier than originally planned). We need to wait for the policy update. | |||
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"Many a time I've unable to do my work, and when asked about it,I say what would you do? Everyone does it,don't they? If I make a mistake at work I blame the person who had the job 12 years ago, Well its obviously their fault isnt it? Once again we have ventured into surrealism where we cannot ask why the gmnt have not done, what they explicitly said they would do,2 years ago.As i have said before it calls for a cross party committee to sort it out once and for all and take the petty politics out of it. Does that take 12 years?Its taken about 25 years so far. Hmmm not really what I asked. If they knew labour had not addressed it,surely the sensible option would have been to address it then,as opposed to wait for over a decade, and do nothing as it steadily gets worse?Exactly they found it too complicated to sort out along with a tory/lib dem gov and now a tory one,thats the reason i said it needs a cross party solution what do you think? Even if it does require a cross party solution, as I'm not sure about, this still could have been done 12 years ago." by that token it could have been done twenty odd years ago too. In 1997 Tony Blair told the Labour Party conference “I don’t want [our children] brought up in a country where the only way pensioners can get long-term care is by selling their home.” Local authorities have been able to require people to sell their homes to pay for residential care since 1948. Thirteen years after Tony Blair’s speech, local authorities continue to do so. | |||
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"So in summary.. social care is a mess in 2021..because labour didnt do enough in 1997. Sound." Where have i said that? i said nothing of the sort im saying it needs sorting it was you that was blaming the tories i am saying if you blame the tories by the same token you must blame the labour party too | |||
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"One thing that will be hard for future government/s to get away with is the 'We can't afford it!' argument. During the Pandemic we have spent billions upon billions in support to the nation. It shows that we can do it if we need to. We now need to do it because we want to. Once we get back to steady predictable finances again I think many searching questions will be asked, and it will be very hard to argue against, for a more rounded and fuller social budget than we have ever had before. " Are you that Stupid to believe the government cant do something Because theyve done something similar in the past ? Kin Hell | |||
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"But you do have a solution to the problem. Your vote. As I'm sure you know, most votes in this country are not all worth the same. A vote in a 3 way marginal (there is one in the Western Isles) is much more valuable than one in a safe seat. But - on topic - could someone explain to me why old people, who have benefited from massive growth in the value of their property, while leaving the world at the point of environmental disaster, should benefit from free social care? Is it just because the old are more likely to vote (and vote in their own economic interest)?" In the same vein then why should a teenager who had contributed nothing have the fire brigade cut him out of an accident and an ambulance take him to hospital for care in said hospital?? Let the free loader die eh!! Old people who have paid their tax and managed to save cash or acquire property should receive the same benefit as someone who is unemployed never worked and contributed nothing. It’s their money and they can give it to who they please whether that’s greedy family, cancer research or the cats home. | |||
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"Once we get back to steady predictable finances again" How long do you reckon this will take? We are dealing with the triple whammy of Brexit, the mess we made of COVID and (hopefully) the massive costs of decarbonisation. What do people reckon? I'm not thinking I'm going to see the day... | |||
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"Once we get back to steady predictable finances again How long do you reckon this will take? We are dealing with the triple whammy of Brexit, the mess we made of COVID and (hopefully) the massive costs of decarbonisation. What do people reckon? I'm not thinking I'm going to see the day..." And Alex is going to level up the north aswell remember. | |||
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" But - on topic - could someone explain to me why old people, who have benefited from massive growth in the value of their property, while leaving the world at the point of environmental disaster, should benefit from free social care? Is it just because the old are more likely to vote (and vote in their own economic interest)? In the same vein then why should a teenager who had contributed nothing have the fire brigade cut him out of an accident and an ambulance take him to hospital for care in said hospital?? Let the free loader die eh!! " This is not a (remotely) fair comparison. No-one is suggesting the people in need of social care shouldn't get it, merely that - if they can afford it - they make a contribution. "Old people who have paid their tax and managed to save cash or acquire property should receive the same benefit as someone who is unemployed never worked and contributed nothing. It’s their money and they can give it to who they please whether that’s greedy family, cancer research or the cats home. " As I'm sure you know, at the moment they do not have the freedom to give the money to whoever they want if the have more than 23.5k and need care in their old age. There are two things that seem (to me at least) unfair about the current situation: 1. The quasi-randomness of needing care in your old age. 2. The fact that the current elder generation have benefited from rampant economic growth which is not going to continue, yet many of them expect the young to pay for their care in their old age. They think this is OK because they did that for earlier generations, but there is no comparison in terms of life expectancy, quality and cost of care delivered (and expected) and many other things. We need to come up with a solution that includes intergenerational fairness, and I can't see one that doesn't involve some kind of wealth (rather than income) tax. | |||
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