FabSwingers.com forum: Classic example of Socrates and voting

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Seen a news item on the Hartlepool election.

One guy interviewed, voted tory, because Labour had "trashed' Hartlepool.

Closing the law courts, police station and lack of police.,

But.. central government az i understand it, I.E the Tories!... Had closed the law courts etc.

So, what mindset are voters? Whingy moany lot who get their knickers in a twist and behave kike spoilt brats?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Seen a news item on the Hartlepool election.

One guy interviewed, voted tory, because Labour had "trashed' Hartlepool.

Closing the law courts, police station and lack of police.,

But.. central government az i understand it, I.E the Tories!... Had closed the law courts etc.

So, what mindset are voters? Whingy moany lot who get their knickers in a twist and behave kike spoilt brats?

They think national issues like hospitals and prisons are the responsibility of local councils.

Labour have got a tough ask challenging such ignorance.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

So one guy says something and that means the other 15 odd thousand all think the same.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

Has to realize to that Hartlepool 'was' traditional labour heartland - so if you say they are 'all' thick who are you actually blaming for that?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

You don’t have to pop down the A19 to find out why Hartlepool voted Tory...... Sunderland Council lost 9 Labour councillors to Tories and LibDems ...... the writing was on the wall back in 2019 - without the Brexit Party in the 2019 GE there would have been a Tory MP in one of the Sunderland seats.

Looks like Sunderland has the same kind of electorate as Hartlepool.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So one guy says something and that means the other 15 odd thousand all think the same.

Yes I'm afraid so

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Has to realize to that Hartlepool 'was' traditional labour heartland - so if you say they are 'all' thick who are you actually blaming for that?

Well if someone confident in going on camera and broadcasting his "wisdom" across the airwaves without checking his info. first, what would you say?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So one guy says something and that means the other 15 odd thousand all think the same.

Yes I'm afraid so

I'm quite sure only 1 person felt that way..

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Has to realize to that Hartlepool 'was' traditional labour heartland - so if you say they are 'all' thick who are you actually blaming for that?

Well if someone confident in going on camera and broadcasting his "wisdom" across the airwaves without checking his info. first, what would you say?

I would have thought the interviewer would have corrected them?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

All those Decades under Labour - proof perfect that they were in dire need of change then.

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By *loughing the landMan
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Seen a news item on the Hartlepool election.

One guy interviewed, voted tory, because Labour had "trashed' Hartlepool.

Closing the law courts, police station and lack of police.,

But.. central government az i understand it, I.E the Tories!... Had closed the law courts etc.

So, what mindset are voters? Whingy moany lot who get their knickers in a twist and behave kike spoilt brats?

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Hello. Would their opinion make any difference to the results. If we assume that some voters make decisions based on incorrect information, would these votes not just simply cancel out . I am sure that people also vote for Labour based on incorrect information.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Has to realize to that Hartlepool 'was' traditional labour heartland - so if you say they are 'all' thick who are you actually blaming for that?

Well if someone confident in going on camera and broadcasting his "wisdom" across the airwaves without checking his info. first, what would you say?

I would have thought the interviewer would have corrected them?"

Yes he slipped up a bit there

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Has to realize to that Hartlepool 'was' traditional labour heartland - so if you say they are 'all' thick who are you actually blaming for that?

Well if someone confident in going on camera and broadcasting his "wisdom" across the airwaves without checking his info. first, what would you say?

I would have thought the interviewer would have corrected them?

Yes he slipped up a bit there "

Obvs an honest mistake.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

I would have thought the interviewer would have corrected them?

Yes he slipped up a bit there "

Maybe the interviewer was a Labour voter?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"So one guy says something and that means the other 15 odd thousand all think the same.

Yes I'm afraid so

I'm quite sure only 1 person felt that way..

Oh and those 2 on The boat...and the caller to lbc who referenced food banks..and the person interviewed who wanted a change...apart from that..no one else was so unaware the gmnt made those types of decisions."
Get in touch with all 15500 odd who voted tory and ask them why, when you have the answer get back to me im really not interested on what 3 people of your choosing have to say.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I would have thought the interviewer would have corrected them?

Yes he slipped up a bit there

Maybe the interviewer was a Labour voter?

Nah, not with that jumper he had on

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So one guy says something and that means the other 15 odd thousand all think the same.

Yes I'm afraid so

I'm quite sure only 1 person felt that way..

Oh and those 2 on The boat...and the caller to lbc who referenced food banks..and the person interviewed who wanted a change...apart from that..no one else was so unaware the gmnt made those types of decisions.Get in touch with all 15500 odd who voted tory and ask them why, when you have the answer get back to me im really not interested on what 3 people of your choosing have to say."

Righto, gimme 3 months lol

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"So one guy says something and that means the other 15 odd thousand all think the same.

Yes I'm afraid so

I'm quite sure only 1 person felt that way..

Oh and those 2 on The boat...and the caller to lbc who referenced food banks..and the person interviewed who wanted a change...apart from that..no one else was so unaware the gmnt made those types of decisions.Get in touch with all 15500 odd who voted tory and ask them why, when you have the answer get back to me im really not interested on what 3 people of your choosing have to say.

Righto, gimme 3 months lol"

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Seen a news item on the Hartlepool election.

One guy interviewed, voted tory, because Labour had "trashed' Hartlepool.

Closing the law courts, police station and lack of police.,

But.. central government az i understand it, I.E the Tories!... Had closed the law courts etc.

So, what mindset are voters? Whingy moany lot who get their knickers in a twist and behave kike spoilt brats?

So when they voted Labour at every election before since the seat was created they were all intelligent and knew exactly who is responsible for what

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seen a news item on the Hartlepool election.

One guy interviewed, voted tory, because Labour had "trashed' Hartlepool.

Closing the law courts, police station and lack of police.,

But.. central government az i understand it, I.E the Tories!... Had closed the law courts etc.

So, what mindset are voters? Whingy moany lot who get their knickers in a twist and behave kike spoilt brats?

They think national issues like hospitals and prisons are the responsibility of local councils.

Labour have got a tough ask challenging such ignorance."

Political illiteracy

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

Yes. Decades of Labour in Hartlepool

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

The concept that its the gmnt who actually make decisions which relate to how the country is run, in terms of how many hospitals,police stations etc we have,appears to a be a difficult one to grasp.

Maybe they should start teaching politics in school?

It may help some less informed voters?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The idea hat people are now only politically illiterate now that they have voted in the tories is farcical.

Obviously no one threw that accusation at the very same voters for the last 50 years

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

"The concept that its the gmnt who actually make decisions which relate to how the country is run, in terms of how many hospitals,police stations etc we have,appears to a be a difficult one to grasp.

Maybe they should start teaching politics in school?

It may help some less informed voters?"

No point in outlining LGA again then is there obviously lost on the thick voter that is being called thick.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

"The idea hat people are now only politically illiterate now that they have voted in the tories is farcical.

Obviously no one threw that accusation at the very same voters for the last 50 years

Labour.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?"

If that’s the case things will never change. Look at Brexit, people were blaming the EU for everything including poverty and food banks, political illiteracy, sad times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?"

Why has this 'education' only become an issue once the tories won the seat?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?"

Labour

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

If that’s the case things will never change. Look at Brexit, people were blaming the EU for everything including poverty and food banks, political illiteracy, sad times

It is weird why anyone would deem teaching people to be more politically aware, is a bad thing?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

So why hasn't Labour done that in Hartlepool? As that seems to be the accusation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

If that’s the case things will never change. Look at Brexit, people were blaming the EU for everything including poverty and food banks, political illiteracy, sad times

It is weird why anyone would deem teaching people to be more politically aware, is a bad thing?"

It’s scary, it’s the sort of thing you would find in communist Russia & China

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

If that’s the case things will never change. Look at Brexit, people were blaming the EU for everything including poverty and food banks, political illiteracy, sad times

It is weird why anyone would deem teaching people to be more politically aware, is a bad thing?"

Who is saying they deem it to be a bad thing?

Why has it suddenly become prevalent to push for this now?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

It’s scary, it’s the sort of thing you would find in communist Russia & China "

Did you get the wrong thread?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

If that’s the case things will never change. Look at Brexit, people were blaming the EU for everything including poverty and food banks, political illiteracy, sad times

It is weird why anyone would deem teaching people to be more politically aware, is a bad thing?

It’s scary, it’s the sort of thing you would find in communist Russia & China "

Obvs the national educational criteria is now the responsibility of labour councils now too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

If that’s the case things will never change. Look at Brexit, people were blaming the EU for everything including poverty and food banks, political illiteracy, sad times

It is weird why anyone would deem teaching people to be more politically aware, is a bad thing?

It’s scary, it’s the sort of thing you would find in communist Russia & China

Obvs the national educational criteria is now the responsibility of labour councils now too

Ha, everything bad is down to labour councils and the EU, the Tories are not to blame for anything, apparently

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

If that’s the case things will never change. Look at Brexit, people were blaming the EU for everything including poverty and food banks, political illiteracy, sad times

It is weird why anyone would deem teaching people to be more politically aware, is a bad thing?

It’s scary, it’s the sort of thing you would find in communist Russia & China

Obvs the national educational criteria is now the responsibility of labour councils now too

Ha, everything bad is down to labour councils and the EU, the Tories are not to blame for anything, apparently "

Nah ..surely not

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

If that’s the case things will never change. Look at Brexit, people were blaming the EU for everything including poverty and food banks, political illiteracy, sad times

It is weird why anyone would deem teaching people to be more politically aware, is a bad thing?

It’s scary, it’s the sort of thing you would find in communist Russia & China

Obvs the national educational criteria is now the responsibility of labour councils now too

Nah. Just those ones that Labour Voters are saying are thick - but not bright enough to realise that they were decades of Labour Councils.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

Why has this 'education' only become an issue once the tories won the seat?"

Nope! One guy i know voted for a labour candidate a few years because of a shared interest in brass band music lol,

The guy from hartlepool is just one guy do doubt one vote would affect the outcome, I was just thinking about Socrates at the time when he came on the telly

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

Why has this 'education' only become an issue once the tories won the seat?

Nope! One guy i know voted for a labour candidate a few years because of a shared interest in brass band music lol,

The guy from hartlepool is just one guy do doubt one vote would affect the outcome, I was just thinking about Socrates at the time when he came on the telly "
Yeah he scored some great goals for brazil

only joking im not a labour supporter

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The idea hat people are now only politically illiterate now that they have voted in the tories is farcical.

Obviously no one threw that accusation at the very same voters for the last 50 years

Because he was ex labour voting tory is incidental.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

Why has this 'education' only become an issue once the tories won the seat?

Nope! One guy i know voted for a labour candidate a few years because of a shared interest in brass band music lol,

The guy from hartlepool is just one guy do doubt one vote would affect the outcome, I was just thinking about Socrates at the time when he came on the telly Yeah he scored some great goals for brazil

only joking im not a labour supporter

My bet is you didn't vote Labour was based on sensible decision making

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

Wasn't there something like 17 thousand voters - seems those comments were incidental too.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

Why has this 'education' only become an issue once the tories won the seat?

Nope! One guy i know voted for a labour candidate a few years because of a shared interest in brass band music lol,

The guy from hartlepool is just one guy do doubt one vote would affect the outcome, I was just thinking about Socrates at the time when he came on the telly Yeah he scored some great goals for brazil

only joking im not a labour supporter

My bet is you didn't vote Labour was based on sensible decision making

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Policies are what sway me mate that's what i base my decissions on.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

Why has this 'education' only become an issue once the tories won the seat?

Nope! One guy i know voted for a labour candidate a few years because of a shared interest in brass band music lol,

The guy from hartlepool is just one guy do doubt one vote would affect the outcome, I was just thinking about Socrates at the time when he came on the telly Yeah he scored some great goals for brazil

only joking im not a labour supporter

My bet is you didn't vote Labour was based on sensible decision making

Policies are what sway me mate that's what i base my decissions on. "

I doff my hat to you sir

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

Why has this 'education' only become an issue once the tories won the seat?

Nope! One guy i know voted for a labour candidate a few years because of a shared interest in brass band music lol,

The guy from hartlepool is just one guy do doubt one vote would affect the outcome, I was just thinking about Socrates at the time when he came on the telly "

Even that was different.

If you dont vote for 1 party because you hold them responsible for something they didnt do..you could do with educating yourself.

Simple.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

Socrates.

The Man and the Myth.

All Myth and Legend.

A bit like Labour lol.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

Why has this 'education' only become an issue once the tories won the seat?

Nope! One guy i know voted for a labour candidate a few years because of a shared interest in brass band music lol,

The guy from hartlepool is just one guy do doubt one vote would affect the outcome, I was just thinking about Socrates at the time when he came on the telly

Even that was different.

If you dont vote for 1 party because you hold them responsible for something they didnt do..you could do with educating yourself.

Simple.

Yep, common problem people have is they're unaware of needing education. Not just politics but anything else in life.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Socrates.

The Man and the Myth.

All Myth and Legend.

A bit like Labour lol.

Actually, he did exist as far as im aware

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

And all he was supposed to have said was proposed by Plato.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

The story of Socrates was very often the character that Plato used to propose his own thoughts on philosophy et-el

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The story of Socrates was very often the character that Plato used to propose his own thoughts on philosophy et-el"

Well whoever said it was right. That guy in hartlepool or the guy i knew voting labour because of a shared interest in brass band music

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

Well just that guy then.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Well just that guy then.

Which ones worse?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

You mean the 16,999 or that guy?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

Let's use the correct figure just in case anyone wants to spank me for distorting the facts:

15,529

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You mean the 16,999 or that guy?"

Depends if they based their vote on sensible rationale, no matter which way they voted

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

"You mean the 16,999 or that guy?

Depends if they based their vote on sensible rationale, no matter which way they voted"

Do you know?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You mean the 16,999 or that guy?

Depends if they based their vote on sensible rationale, no matter which way they voted"

Because if they didn't, the election is just a lottery

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You mean the 16,999 or that guy?

Depends if they based their vote on sensible rationale, no matter which way they voted

Do you know?"

Do you?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

"You mean the 16,999 or that guy?

Depends if they based their vote on sensible rationale, no matter which way they voted

Do you know?

Do you? "

No. But I also haven't tried to pursue the narrative that tries to say that all the people of Hartlepool are thick.

Until I do know that they are, I will have to good grace not to cast that aspersion on the people of Hartlepool. I will call that out in other people if they do.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You mean the 16,999 or that guy?

Depends if they based their vote on sensible rationale, no matter which way they voted

Do you know?

Do you?

No. But I also haven't tried to pursue the narrative that tries to say that all the people of Hartlepool are thick.

Until I do know that they are, I will have to good grace not to cast that aspersion on the people of Hartlepool. I will call that out in other people if they do.

You accuse me of saying all hartlepool people are thick because you want to think that.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

"You mean the 16,999 or that guy?

Depends if they based their vote on sensible rationale, no matter which way they voted

Do you know?

Do you?

No. But I also haven't tried to pursue the narrative that tries to say that all the people of Hartlepool are thick.

Until I do know that they are, I will have to good grace not to cast that aspersion on the people of Hartlepool. I will call that out in other people if they do.

You accuse me of saying all hartlepool people are thick because you want to think that.

The point of your OP was?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You mean the 16,999 or that guy?

Depends if they based their vote on sensible rationale, no matter which way they voted

Do you know?

Do you?

No. But I also haven't tried to pursue the narrative that tries to say that all the people of Hartlepool are thick.

Until I do know that they are, I will have to good grace not to cast that aspersion on the people of Hartlepool. I will call that out in other people if they do.

If you're capable of reading i said one guy in hartlepool.,

Its a shame you twist narratives instead of a balanced debate

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"You mean the 16,999 or that guy?

Depends if they based their vote on sensible rationale, no matter which way they voted

Do you know?

Do you?

No. But I also haven't tried to pursue the narrative that tries to say that all the people of Hartlepool are thick.

Until I do know that they are, I will have to good grace not to cast that aspersion on the people of Hartlepool. I will call that out in other people if they do.

You accuse me of saying all hartlepool people are thick because you want to think that.

Apparently we are not allowed to point out now when a voter/voters says something that is inherently wrong.

Do keep up.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

But I will leave for Angela Rayner to say it best:

After all if anyone should know she will . . . She is clearly saying that experience of Labour for the last60 years has taken its toll . . .

“The Angie Rayner at 18 would have liked someone a bit spicy, and willing to throw a grenade in … That’s why we like soaps, isn’t it? We like a bit of argy bargy, or someone who is going to upset what the norm is.”

Rayner was speaking to the podcast in the wake of Labour’s crushing by-election defeat in Hartlepool, a heartland seat the party had held for almost 60 years.

“If I’m honest, I think we lost it before we even picked a candidate,” she said. “I think it’s an emotional shift away from Labour that takes time to get back … We can’t just say, ‘OK, we’ve got a different leader — now vote for us.’ It takes a lot longer to earn that respect back.”

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You mean the 16,999 or that guy?

Depends if they based their vote on sensible rationale, no matter which way they voted

Do you know?

Do you?

No. But I also haven't tried to pursue the narrative that tries to say that all the people of Hartlepool are thick.

Until I do know that they are, I will have to good grace not to cast that aspersion on the people of Hartlepool. I will call that out in other people if they do.

You accuse me of saying all hartlepool people are thick because you want to think that.

The point of your OP was?"

People should read up on issues before voting, based on facts not assumptions.

What's the point of your posts based on biased assumptions?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

"You mean the 16,999 or that guy?

Depends if they based their vote on sensible rationale, no matter which way they voted

Do you know?

Do you?

No. But I also haven't tried to pursue the narrative that tries to say that all the people of Hartlepool are thick.

Until I do know that they are, I will have to good grace not to cast that aspersion on the people of Hartlepool. I will call that out in other people if they do.

You accuse me of saying all hartlepool people are thick because you want to think that.

The point of your OP was?

People should read up on issues before voting, based on facts not assumptions.

What's the point of your posts based on biased assumptions?

There has been a narrative in the last few days claiming that the people are Hartlepool are thick, so stop pretending that you haven't seen it. Your was adding to that narrative.

You could have added other voter comments that proved otherwise, but you choose not to. So when you talk about bias, look closer to home.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You mean the 16,999 or that guy?

Depends if they based their vote on sensible rationale, no matter which way they voted

Do you know?

Do you?

No. But I also haven't tried to pursue the narrative that tries to say that all the people of Hartlepool are thick.

Until I do know that they are, I will have to good grace not to cast that aspersion on the people of Hartlepool. I will call that out in other people if they do.

You accuse me of saying all hartlepool people are thick because you want to think that.

The point of your OP was?

People should read up on issues before voting, based on facts not assumptions.

What's the point of your posts based on biased assumptions?

There has been a narrative in the last few days claiming that the people are Hartlepool are thick, so stop pretending that you haven't seen it. Your was adding to that narrative.

You could have added other voter comments that proved otherwise, but you choose not to. So when you talk about bias, look closer to home."

Oh dear., you've blown a fuse i think.

I grew up in hart village,

hartlepool, then moved to Sunderland. You weren't to know that, so not holding that against you.

No i didn't know about the other posts as it happens, and not insulted by them either. It just shows them yp as arseholes taking the piss. Ive heard it all before monkey hangers etc.. bollock to them, they just harm themselves.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

I've blown a fuse?

The point of that comment is?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"You mean the 16,999 or that guy?

Depends if they based their vote on sensible rationale, no matter which way they voted

Do you know?

Do you?

No. But I also haven't tried to pursue the narrative that tries to say that all the people of Hartlepool are thick.

Until I do know that they are, I will have to good grace not to cast that aspersion on the people of Hartlepool. I will call that out in other people if they do.

You accuse me of saying all hartlepool people are thick because you want to think that.

The point of your OP was?

People should read up on issues before voting, based on facts not assumptions.

What's the point of your posts based on biased assumptions?

There has been a narrative in the last few days claiming that the people are Hartlepool are thick, so stop pretending that you haven't seen it. Your was adding to that narrative.

You could have added other voter comments that proved otherwise, but you choose not to. So when you talk about bias, look closer to home.

Oh dear., you've blown a fuse i think.

I grew up in hart village,

hartlepool, then moved to Sunderland. You weren't to know that, so not holding that against you.

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I hope the poster who called them thick is taking notice of you mate.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Well that backfired

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

How so?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well that backfired

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

"Well that backfired

Ah you mean on the OP - well yes it did.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hmm.. I think a misunderstanding is in the air.

When I was referring to voters not being informed enough to make a rational / informed choice when voting, and mentioning the guy from hartlepool, i was actually to referring to voters in general, across the entire country ..

Oops lol, do carry on

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By *ausageNmashCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"Seen a news item on the Hartlepool election.

One guy interviewed, voted tory, because Labour had "trashed' Hartlepool.

Closing the law courts, police station and lack of police.,

But.. central government az i understand it, I.E the Tories!... Had closed the law courts etc.

So, what mindset are voters? Whingy moany lot who get their knickers in a twist and behave kike spoilt brats?

They think national issues like hospitals and prisons are the responsibility of local councils.

Labour have got a tough ask challenging such ignorance.

Political illiteracy "

Maybe only people with a degree should have the vote and not us fick knuckle draggers

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By *ausageNmashCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"Educating people on how policies works is obvs a bad idea

Once again

Who know ?

If that’s the case things will never change. Look at Brexit, people were blaming the EU for everything including poverty and food banks, political illiteracy, sad times

It is weird why anyone would deem teaching people to be more politically aware, is a bad thing?

It’s scary, it’s the sort of thing you would find in communist Russia & China "

Do you have proof ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seen a news item on the Hartlepool election.

One guy interviewed, voted tory, because Labour had "trashed' Hartlepool.

Closing the law courts, police station and lack of police.,

But.. central government az i understand it, I.E the Tories!... Had closed the law courts etc.

So, what mindset are voters? Whingy moany lot who get their knickers in a twist and behave kike spoilt brats?

They think national issues like hospitals and prisons are the responsibility of local councils.

Labour have got a tough ask challenging such ignorance.

Political illiteracy

Maybe only people with a degree should have the vote and not us fick knuckle draggers"

Fick?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Seen a news item on the Hartlepool election.

One guy interviewed, voted tory, because Labour had "trashed' Hartlepool.

Closing the law courts, police station and lack of police.,

But.. central government az i understand it, I.E the Tories!... Had closed the law courts etc.

So, what mindset are voters? Whingy moany lot who get their knickers in a twist and behave kike spoilt brats?

They think national issues like hospitals and prisons are the responsibility of local councils.

Labour have got a tough ask challenging such ignorance.

Political illiteracy

Maybe only people with a degree should have the vote and not us fick knuckle draggers

Fick?"

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Well the Tory councillors will now have to deliver. So they will need to pressure government because if nothing changes who ya gonna blame?

In a way the locals have voted quite smartly. Labour had no power so couldn’t stop central government cuts and in reality neither could local Tories but that truth can’t be allowed by central government to be seen.

The region will get money. It now has too.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

I watched an interview with Andrew Adonis and Paul Embery yesterday

- on The Spectators YouTube channel

Paul Embery was spot on (as usual) and Adonis was having none of it (as usual)

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Well the Tory councillors will now have to deliver. So they will need to pressure government because if nothing changes who ya gonna blame?

The region will get money. It now has too.

Said in another thread

In the aftermath of covid and Brexit, they now have to keep supporting the south whilst revitalising the north, inject the NHS to deal with the backlog and claim back the money lost through furlough.

Several months ago they could even provide enough ppe

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Well the Tory councillors will now have to deliver. So they will need to pressure government because if nothing changes who ya gonna blame?

The region will get money. It now has too.

Said in another thread

In the aftermath of covid and Brexit, they now have to keep supporting the south whilst revitalising the north, inject the NHS to deal with the backlog and claim back the money lost through furlough.

Several months ago they could even provide enough ppe "

Plus the extra expenditure announced on the armed forces too

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

In a way the locals have voted quite smartly.

Good point., i hadn't thought of that. Only problem as Lionel mentioned is the funding of this and other tory council gains

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