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"Ch4 news poll shows the top reason people didnt vote for labour was because of starmer. He has already alienated a big chunk of the left ,whilst his supporters think the answer is to move even more towards the right. Meanwhile bookies have Burnham as the odds on favourite to succeed him " aw I hope so I could vote for burnham | |||
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"Labours perennial problem is people dont want a fairer society.they want a society that's unfair on others,not them. Tweet of the day." No idea what that means. People want policies. And personalities. | |||
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"Labours perennial problem is people dont want a fairer society.they want a society that's unfair on others,not them. Tweet of the day. No idea what that means. People want policies. And personalities. " Its really not rocket science | |||
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"Gary Glitter would make a more popular leader for the Labour party! " I doubt it His Mate Jimmy S was a Proud Tory He was mates with Glitter as well | |||
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"Ch4 news poll shows the top reason people didnt vote for labour was because of starmer. He has already alienated a big chunk of the left ,whilst his supporters think the answer is to move even more towards the right. Meanwhile bookies have Burnham as the odds on favourite to succeed him " Of course I should have realised that. After all the hard left had such a terrific result in 2019. | |||
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"Gary Glitter would make a more popular leader for the Labour party! I doubt it His Mate Jimmy S was a Proud Tory He was mates with Glitter as well " How many times did Maggie try to knight him again? | |||
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"Labours perennial problem is people dont want a fairer society.they want a society that's unfair on others,not them. Tweet of the day. No idea what that means. People want policies. And personalities. Its really not rocket science " They have a policy. Everybody that earns over 70k as a single person despite having a partner who earns nothing is "rich" and needs to pay more tax as is anybody who has saved for retirement with a pension fund.It's the threat about excessive taxation to create fairer societies that make them unelectable in recent years. | |||
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"Labours perennial problem is people dont want a fairer society.they want a society that's unfair on others,not them. Tweet of the day. No idea what that means. People want policies. And personalities. Its really not rocket science They have a policy. Everybody that earns over 70k as a single person despite having a partner who earns nothing is "rich" and needs to pay more tax as is anybody who has saved for retirement with a pension fund.It's the threat about excessive taxation to create fairer societies that make them unelectable in recent years. " Except that really isnt true is it? And your last sentence ties in with the twitter quote. | |||
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" Conservatives lost their majority on Cambridgeshire County Council after Labour didn't field candidates in 6 key seats. Lib Dems took all of them. BBC link: https://t.co/9W9oFDpKvd It wasn't an official electoral pact but this is how you get change. Labour have spent too many years arguing about with themselves about who has the reddest underpants, meanwhile Johnson persuades poundland Hitler to stand down candidates. Result? 80 seat majority. Neither end of Labour have been willing to compromise on anything. It's like watching Newcastle players fighting on the pitch in the 90s. Austerity 2 is almost certainly on the way and our best chance of avoiding it is ruined because people on the same side let their egos get in the way of progress. " What they need to do is form a coalition with the greens and the snp. There is no way they will defeat the tories on their own | |||
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" Conservatives lost their majority on Cambridgeshire County Council after Labour didn't field candidates in 6 key seats. Lib Dems took all of them. BBC link: https://t.co/9W9oFDpKvd It wasn't an official electoral pact but this is how you get change. Labour have spent too many years arguing about with themselves about who has the reddest underpants, meanwhile Johnson persuades poundland Hitler to stand down candidates. Result? 80 seat majority. Neither end of Labour have been willing to compromise on anything. It's like watching Newcastle players fighting on the pitch in the 90s. Austerity 2 is almost certainly on the way and our best chance of avoiding it is ruined because people on the same side let their egos get in the way of progress. What they need to do is form a coalition with the greens and the snp. There is no way they will defeat the tories on their own" If you think the UK is in a bad way now, imagine what it would be like with that lot in control. Two of the three I might tolerate but certainly not the third! | |||
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" Conservatives lost their majority on Cambridgeshire County Council after Labour didn't field candidates in 6 key seats. Lib Dems took all of them. BBC link: https://t.co/9W9oFDpKvd It wasn't an official electoral pact but this is how you get change. Labour have spent too many years arguing about with themselves about who has the reddest underpants, meanwhile Johnson persuades poundland Hitler to stand down candidates. Result? 80 seat majority. Neither end of Labour have been willing to compromise on anything. It's like watching Newcastle players fighting on the pitch in the 90s. Austerity 2 is almost certainly on the way and our best chance of avoiding it is ruined because people on the same side let their egos get in the way of progress. What they need to do is form a coalition with the greens and the snp. There is no way they will defeat the tories on their own If you think the UK is in a bad way now, imagine what it would be like with that lot in control. Two of the three I might tolerate but certainly not the third! " I caught imagine Please enlighten me | |||
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" Conservatives lost their majority on Cambridgeshire County Council after Labour didn't field candidates in 6 key seats. Lib Dems took all of them. BBC link: https://t.co/9W9oFDpKvd It wasn't an official electoral pact but this is how you get change. Labour have spent too many years arguing about with themselves about who has the reddest underpants, meanwhile Johnson persuades poundland Hitler to stand down candidates. Result? 80 seat majority. Neither end of Labour have been willing to compromise on anything. It's like watching Newcastle players fighting on the pitch in the 90s. Austerity 2 is almost certainly on the way and our best chance of avoiding it is ruined because people on the same side let their egos get in the way of progress. What they need to do is form a coalition with the greens and the snp. There is no way they will defeat the tories on their own If you think the UK is in a bad way now, imagine what it would be like with that lot in control. Two of the three I might tolerate but certainly not the third! I caught imagine Please enlighten me" Oh c'mon Lionel. You've already proved you have a vivid imagination at times. It's not that difficult. | |||
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" Conservatives lost their majority on Cambridgeshire County Council after Labour didn't field candidates in 6 key seats. Lib Dems took all of them. BBC link: https://t.co/9W9oFDpKvd It wasn't an official electoral pact but this is how you get change. Labour have spent too many years arguing about with themselves about who has the reddest underpants, meanwhile Johnson persuades poundland Hitler to stand down candidates. Result? 80 seat majority. Neither end of Labour have been willing to compromise on anything. It's like watching Newcastle players fighting on the pitch in the 90s. Austerity 2 is almost certainly on the way and our best chance of avoiding it is ruined because people on the same side let their egos get in the way of progress. What they need to do is form a coalition with the greens and the snp. There is no way they will defeat the tories on their own If you think the UK is in a bad way now, imagine what it would be like with that lot in control. Two of the three I might tolerate but certainly not the third! I caught imagine Please enlighten me Oh c'mon Lionel. You've already proved you have a vivid imagination at times. It's not that difficult. " Another question, not answered. | |||
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"Gary Glitter would make a more popular leader for the Labour party! " And who said political debate from some wasn't toxic and totally ott..  | |||
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"Labour won't recover in time for the next election. Particularly as nobody seems to be making noises about removing SKS presently. Noticeably they have already started arguing amongst themselves, with even one resigning! And even if they do start the process of leadership change, there will be an internal war and then a path to peace, and then they will have to try to convince the public they are fit for office again. While looking back at the mess they were in. There is no type of crocodile smile that can hide that from voters. That kind of softening of feeling towards them will take time. Thursday 2 May 2024, Next UK GE. It's just not happening for Labour. " That's a long time yet, plenty could happen,Boris might decide to resign in 2023 and cause a big split in the party, the eu might beg us to rejoin and say we can have our cake and eat it. Complacency is the biggest danger and not delivering on the promises to the north. | |||
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"If labour cannot win a majority by itself, as it's so proven then how do you expect a coalition of three parties to work? Labour and the greens I can just about see, although their policies would have to move a lot closer, the SNP would be too nationalistic with their policies. Good for Scotland perhaps but not so for the majority. The arguments between the three parties would not lead to good governance. Just to get the Tories out! Nose and face come to mind. For your info, I've not voted Tory in a ge for many years. " Sutely the point of a coalition party is to work through your differences? | |||
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"If labour cannot win a majority by itself, as it's so proven then how do you expect a coalition of three parties to work? Labour and the greens I can just about see, although their policies would have to move a lot closer, the SNP would be too nationalistic with their policies. Good for Scotland perhaps but not so for the majority. The arguments between the three parties would not lead to good governance. Just to get the Tories out! Nose and face come to mind. For your info, I've not voted Tory in a ge for many years. Sutely the point of a coalition party is to work through your differences?" It might be the point, but in practice? | |||
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"Labour won't recover in time for the next election. Particularly as nobody seems to be making noises about removing SKS presently. Noticeably they have already started arguing amongst themselves, with even one resigning! And even if they do start the process of leadership change, there will be an internal war and then a path to peace, and then they will have to try to convince the public they are fit for office again. While looking back at the mess they were in. There is no type of crocodile smile that can hide that from voters. That kind of softening of feeling towards them will take time. Thursday 2 May 2024, Next UK GE. It's just not happening for Labour. That's a long time yet, plenty could happen,Boris might decide to resign in 2023 and cause a big split in the party, the eu might beg us to rejoin and say we can have our cake and eat it. Complacency is the biggest danger and not delivering on the promises to the north." So many scenarios indeed. But one thing? I have never owned a cake that I didn't actually eat lol. I mean what would be the point otherwise? | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era." Some of the 'red wall' constituencies and places like Hartlepool have been left behind and that includes during the time of Blair's project, can fully understand why they might think let's try the other lot.. That's not to say i think the Tories genuinely will level up the north and other parts of the country, time will tell.. If they do then Labour however much it comes back to the centre will be in opposition a while yet.. | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Some of the 'red wall' constituencies and places like Hartlepool have been left behind and that includes during the time of Blair's project, can fully understand why they might think let's try the other lot.. That's not to say i think the Tories genuinely will level up the north and other parts of the country, time will tell.. If they do then Labour however much it comes back to the centre will be in opposition a while yet.. " The bit I dont get is they felt left behind by new labour as it moved to the centre,so in protest they decided to move for a party who was even more right wing. | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Some of the 'red wall' constituencies and places like Hartlepool have been left behind and that includes during the time of Blair's project, can fully understand why they might think let's try the other lot.. That's not to say i think the Tories genuinely will level up the north and other parts of the country, time will tell.. If they do then Labour however much it comes back to the centre will be in opposition a while yet.. The bit I dont get is they felt left behind by new labour as it moved to the centre,so in protest they decided to move for a party who was even more right wing." Nope not I, it's like the areas of the country whom the EU had been funding as they were at the bottom of the list with Westminster (maybe not on the list) who voted to leave .. | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Some of the 'red wall' constituencies and places like Hartlepool have been left behind and that includes during the time of Blair's project, can fully understand why they might think let's try the other lot.. That's not to say i think the Tories genuinely will level up the north and other parts of the country, time will tell.. If they do then Labour however much it comes back to the centre will be in opposition a while yet.. The bit I dont get is they felt left behind by new labour as it moved to the centre,so in protest they decided to move for a party who was even more right wing. Nope not I, it's like the areas of the country whom the EU had been funding as they were at the bottom of the list with Westminster (maybe not on the list) who voted to leave .." Cornwall. Alex promised to make up for the money which they got from the eu 3 guesses what happened | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era." Aside from the people who just put a cross next to Labour because they always have. Who are Labour currently appealing to? Not people who want a real alternative, or any new fresh exciting policies and ideas. Not people who were taken in by Brexit. Not people who want a right wing sir centre right party in power. Not the traditional working class support. | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Aside from the people who just put a cross next to Labour because they always have. Who are Labour currently appealing to? Not people who want a real alternative, or any new fresh exciting policies and ideas. Not people who were taken in by Brexit. Not people who want a right wing sir centre right party in power. Not the traditional working class support. " Under Corbyn a huge number of young people voted for them,because he at least represented something different. This has now been pissed away. | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Aside from the people who just put a cross next to Labour because they always have. Who are Labour currently appealing to? Not people who want a real alternative, or any new fresh exciting policies and ideas. Not people who were taken in by Brexit. Not people who want a right wing sir centre right party in power. Not the traditional working class support. Under Corbyn a huge number of young people voted for them,because he at least represented something different. This has now been pissed away." Or you could say that Corbyn attracted a good few immature airheads but at the same time alienated the party's core supporters. You talk as if Corbyn actually won in 2019. | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Aside from the people who just put a cross next to Labour because they always have. Who are Labour currently appealing to? Not people who want a real alternative, or any new fresh exciting policies and ideas. Not people who were taken in by Brexit. Not people who want a right wing sir centre right party in power. Not the traditional working class support. Under Corbyn a huge number of young people voted for them,because he at least represented something different. This has now been pissed away." How did he reach all those young people I wonder? | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Aside from the people who just put a cross next to Labour because they always have. Who are Labour currently appealing to? Not people who want a real alternative, or any new fresh exciting policies and ideas. Not people who were taken in by Brexit. Not people who want a right wing sir centre right party in power. Not the traditional working class support. Under Corbyn a huge number of young people voted for them,because he at least represented something different. This has now been pissed away. Or you could say that Corbyn attracted a good few immature airheads but at the same time alienated the party's core supporters. You talk as if Corbyn actually won in 2019." Yep its just the left who throw around derogatory terms | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Aside from the people who just put a cross next to Labour because they always have. Who are Labour currently appealing to? Not people who want a real alternative, or any new fresh exciting policies and ideas. Not people who were taken in by Brexit. Not people who want a right wing sir centre right party in power. Not the traditional working class support. Under Corbyn a huge number of young people voted for them,because he at least represented something different. This has now been pissed away. How did he reach all those young people I wonder? " Because they were sick of indekit politicians and he offered some progressive policies. I guess. | |||
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"Conservatives lost their majority on Cambridgeshire County Council after Labour didn't field candidates in 6 key seats. Lib Dems took all of them. BBC link: https://t.co/9W9oFDpKvd It wasn't an official electoral pact but this is how you get change. Labour have spent too many years arguing about with themselves about who has the reddest underpants, meanwhile Johnson persuades poundland Hitler to stand down candidates. Result? 80 seat majority. Neither end of Labour have been willing to compromise on anything. It's like watching Newcastle players fighting on the pitch in the 90s. Austerity 2 is almost certainly on the way and our best chance of avoiding it is ruined because people on the same side let their egos get in the way of progress. What they need to do is form a coalition with the greens and the snp. There is no way they will defeat the tories on their own Disclaimer. My observation I'm not ridiculing anyone. From my observation over the last two decades. David Miliband is the only person right now who associate with the Labour party that can win back power form the Tories. The majority of the British public don't really care about the message but rather very keen on the messenger. The messenger most have certain characteristics including big personality, energetic, presentable, easy on the eyes or looking very good on television, assertive, adopt a three word slogan that easily resonate with people. knows how to conducted themself on television by looking directly in and speaking in the camera and not to the reporter sideways. Majority of the British people love celebrity so the leader have to can fit in that category. Look at some comparison Gordon Brown VS Divid Cameron. Gordon Brown didn't have any of the above, he makes allots of people cringe looking at him on television. Cameron VS Ed Miliband. People associate Ed Miliband has a nerd. Theresa May VS Jeremy Corbyn. The reason why May narrowly win, people associate her with a frail Auntie against Jeremy Corbyn has a tramp. Keir Starmer will not stand a chance against Boris Johnson, he is too soft and he is tided up with Jeremy over the Brexit. Please don't kill me now it's just my observation I'm not ridiculing anyone. " I'd rather Burnham personally | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Aside from the people who just put a cross next to Labour because they always have. Who are Labour currently appealing to? Not people who want a real alternative, or any new fresh exciting policies and ideas. Not people who were taken in by Brexit. Not people who want a right wing sir centre right party in power. Not the traditional working class support. Under Corbyn a huge number of young people voted for them,because he at least represented something different. This has now been pissed away. How did he reach all those young people I wonder? Because they were sick of indekit politicians and he offered some progressive policies. I guess." So it wouldn't be anything to do with a social media campaign aimed at young and impressionable adults then? I appreciate this is a cross reference with another thread and hold my hands up. | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Aside from the people who just put a cross next to Labour because they always have. Who are Labour currently appealing to? Not people who want a real alternative, or any new fresh exciting policies and ideas. Not people who were taken in by Brexit. Not people who want a right wing sir centre right party in power. Not the traditional working class support. Under Corbyn a huge number of young people voted for them,because he at least represented something different. This has now been pissed away. How did he reach all those young people I wonder? Because they were sick of indekit politicians and he offered some progressive policies. I guess. So it wouldn't be anything to do with a social media campaign aimed at young and impressionable adults then? I appreciate this is a cross reference with another thread and hold my hands up. " Impressionable? I think it's True to say they managed to mobilise and incentivise a lot of young people. A wise move and one that has been jettisoned,it seems,under starmer. | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era." Do you actually believe half the stuff you post, the tories are not "far" right that is the edl and national front land, boris is very much a centrist tory, have you actually looked at his policies ? UKIP policy was to leave the EU, you know like those well known right wingers Kate hoey and years ago those who didnt want to join that good old fascist tony Benn. As for Jeremy being a social Democrat you cant be serious | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Do you actually believe half the stuff you post, the tories are not "far" right that is the edl and national front land, boris is very much a centrist tory, have you actually looked at his policies ? UKIP policy was to leave the EU, you know like those well known right wingers Kate hoey and years ago those who didnt want to join that good old fascist tony Benn. As for Jeremy being a social Democrat you cant be serious " Sorry. I stopped reading at boris is a centrist. | |||
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"Centrist tories include the likes of John major, who has criticised alex in the past,and Kenneth Clark, who was punished by Alex for not voting how he wanted. They are miles away from Johnson, and if you think he is centrist, God knows what a right wing Tory looks like." Whose Alex ? | |||
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The centre of the tory party has always been quite pro europe,even thatcher saw the benefit of the eu.
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Would you like to explain that?"So tony Benn and kate Kate hoey are right wing ? People on all sides love or loathe the EU try doing your own research on his position your beloved guardian called him centrist and liberal. | |||
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The centre of the tory party has always been quite pro europe,even thatcher saw the benefit of the eu.
Johnson has had us leave
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Aside from the people who just put a cross next to Labour because they always have. Who are Labour currently appealing to? Not people who want a real alternative, or any new fresh exciting policies and ideas. Not people who were taken in by Brexit. Not people who want a right wing sir centre right party in power. Not the traditional working class support. Under Corbyn a huge number of young people voted for them,because he at least represented something different. This has now been pissed away. How did he reach all those young people I wonder? Because they were sick of indekit politicians and he offered some progressive policies. I guess. So it wouldn't be anything to do with a social media campaign aimed at young and impressionable adults then? I appreciate this is a cross reference with another thread and hold my hands up. Impressionable? I think it's True to say they managed to mobilise and incentivise a lot of young people. A wise move and one that has been jettisoned,it seems,under starmer. Yes, they did. Via social media and they did it very well. So much so the Tories put a task force on it to look into doing similar. So it's not ok, for people to be influenced by what you call right wing media, but it's fine to 'mobilise and incentevise' via social media sites aimed at a demographic that will believe what it says on their phones? Do you not think there is a slight difference between a political party targeting young people and a supposed neutral/free press personally attacking an opposition leader for 3 years? I can't answer that honestly as I rarely read the press. But I could answer and say that I perceive the opposite was true of the BBC. You think the bbc was anti Tory? I think they were pro Corbin and anti Brexit. Whether that is the same as anti Tory I'll leave you to decide. Newsnight mocked up corbyn as a Russian and kunsberg tweeted false story about Hancock,I think,getting attacked by a labour activist. With friends like this... " As I say, it's down to perception. You look at it from one way, I another. There are others that would back your perception up, as I'm sure there would be others mine. I think the BBC are/were bias which is why I stopped listening/watching, you think a section of the press are bias hence you don't read them. We all lean one way or another, I doubt anyone is ever neutral of unbiased. | |||
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"Centrist tories include the likes of John major, who has criticised alex in the past,and Kenneth Clark, who was punished by Alex for not voting how he wanted. They are miles away from Johnson, and if you think he is centrist, God knows what a right wing Tory looks like. Try doing a bit of research , the guardian described him as a social libertarian and centrist, look at wiki, always described as to the left of the tory party, but hey you never let facts get in the way before so why change. Can you provide with a list of centrist policies adopted under the Johnson gmnt? Look at wiki.. .. superb
The centre of the tory party has always been quite pro europe,even thatcher saw the benefit of the eu.
Johnson has had us leave
Would you like to explain that?
So tony Benn and kate Kate hoey are right wing ?
People on all sides love or loathe the EU try doing your own research on his position your beloved guardian called him centrist and liberal.
I'll take that as a no ,I cant find any centrist policies under Johnson."I'll take it as no I wont bother to do any research to find the truth, even if it is the guardian, just more deflect deflect | |||
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"Centrist tories include the likes of John major, who has criticised alex in the past,and Kenneth Clark, who was punished by Alex for not voting how he wanted. They are miles away from Johnson, and if you think he is centrist, God knows what a right wing Tory looks like. Try doing a bit of research , the guardian described him as a social libertarian and centrist, look at wiki, always described as to the left of the tory party, but hey you never let facts get in the way before so why change. Can you provide with a list of centrist policies adopted under the Johnson gmnt? Look at wiki.. .. superb
The centre of the tory party has always been quite pro europe,even thatcher saw the benefit of the eu.
Johnson has had us leave
Would you like to explain that?
So tony Benn and kate Kate hoey are right wing ?
People on all sides love or loathe the EU try doing your own research on his position your beloved guardian called him centrist and liberal.
I'll take that as a no ,I cant find any centrist policies under Johnson.
I'll take it as no I wont bother to do any research to find the truth, even if it is the guardian, just more deflect deflect "
You were the one who claimed alex was a centrist
He has demonized immigrants and looked at putting them on an island in the middle of the Atlantic,he has cut overseas aid,during Brexit he often used ww2 rhetoric,he has done nothing to address the school dinner fiasco,he has frozen public sector pay and sought to make protests practically impossible,including defacing a statue getting 10 years inside.
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"Gary Glitter would make a more popular leader for the Labour party! I doubt it His Mate Jimmy S was a Proud Tory He was mates with Glitter as well How many times did Maggie try to knight him again?" I cant remember , it was that many it felt like she was the new presenter of Fix it , handing out her rewards on a red band | |||
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"It will be interesting to see turn out by age. We know under 40s largely vote Labour, but how many actually turn out? Engaging the youth vote should be another item on Starmer's agenda. " It would be interesting. I can't imagine he inspires a lot of young people, who I assume are largely feeling like voting is pointless. | |||
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"Labours only hope is if the tories self destruct I wouldnt be surprised if they pushed for an early election Why would they want or need to do that? They have a big majority to get their policies through and four years left. That will only happen when Johnson (or his successor) starts to get pushback from his own Party and starts to struggle to get stuff through Parliament." The vaccine boost and we womt be seeing the worst effects of Brexit. | |||
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"Ch4 news poll shows the top reason people didnt vote for labour was because of starmer. He has already alienated a big chunk of the left ,whilst his supporters think the answer is to move even more towards the right. Meanwhile bookies have Burnham as the odds on favourite to succeed him I think Burnham would be very good, with the right team behind he would give “young” Labour voters what we want - a more socialist society that benefits all rather than the few. " Agreed That's why labour should have focused on the young and spectacularly failed to do so. However I think the majority of people are not interested in a fair society..we have seen that over the last 4 decades. | |||
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"brexit simpletons and people voting against their own interests. The arrogance still goes on, since 2016 the voters have told the country what they want and still the one eyed cant see the truth and decide the voters are thick, how many more votes are going to be before all these oh so clever people realise its them that are wrong, what hope does labour have until they see the truth too" Since 2015 the uk has had 3 further General Elections Even though it is a 5 year term . The Tory Party called those elections Yes the tory party won those elections With 3 different leaders . Okease STOP laying all the blame at Remainers Or even at Labour . The Tory party created the mess They split ths country into 2 distinct grouos . 9wn it Tories . You said those that live in the uk down this road . Not Labour , Yes Remainers Remoaners Loony Liberal Lefties Just like tge Rabid Racist Gammon right . All of us are to blame , we voted them in for All those years & onky recently have we all got involved By using Social Media . Arrogance comes from both sides . From Mine, yours,His, Hers & Theirs . | |||
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"brexit simpletons and people voting against their own interests. The arrogance still goes on, since 2016 the voters have told the country what they want and still the one eyed cant see the truth and decide the voters are thick, how many more votes are going to be before all these oh so clever people realise its them that are wrong, what hope does labour have until they see the truth too Since 2015 the uk has had 3 further General Elections Even though it is a 5 year term . The Tory Party called those elections Yes the tory party won those elections With 3 different leaders . Okease STOP laying all the blame at Remainers Or even at Labour . The Tory party created the mess They split ths country into 2 distinct grouos . 9wn it Tories . You said those that live in the uk down this road . Not Labour , Yes Remainers Remoaners Loony Liberal Lefties Just like tge Rabid Racist Gammon right . All of us are to blame , we voted them in for All those years & onky recently have we all got involved By using Social Media . Arrogance comes from both sides . From Mine, yours,His, Hers & Theirs . " It's no accident that Brexit divided the country. That was simply a side benefit for the Tories. | |||
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"As an outsider looking in.... ... There is another civil war coming in the Labour Party. Kier "I take full responsibility" Starmer, instead turns on Angela Rayner, much to the annoyance of many. A shadow Cabinet reshuffle is inevitable. Labour has many very competent and likeable MPs. I list Bridget Phillipson, Rachel Reeves, Stella Creasy and Tulip Siddiq, as many of the ones that I like. Others are there. They could easily appeal to the wider voter base. Andy Burnham speaks with a burning Socialist desire, something I don't see in Kier Starmer. Labour cannot win a GE on London, Liverpool, Leeds, Bristol and Manchester alone. They have to get the North and some of Scotland back. So here's a radical plan. Base themselves in the North and fight from there. London is assured, Sadiq Khan has his second term, go North and and spread the message from there. " I think getting rid of raynor could be the final straw. | |||
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"Except Raynor hasn't been got rid of. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57037839.amp Someone should tell the bbc Someone should tell you that the news was that that Angela Rayner was sacked as the Party Chair - NOT as the Party Deputy Leader. So. Therefore, NOT 'got rid of'. " Right ok. | |||
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"Except Raynor hasn't been got rid of. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57037839.amp Someone should tell the bbc Someone should tell you that the news was that that Angela Rayner was sacked as the Party Chair - NOT as the Party Deputy Leader. So. Therefore, NOT 'got rid of'. Right ok." Glad to have cleared that up for you. | |||
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"I've just seen a clip from BBC Breakfast which I assume is from Friday morning. Chris Mason interviewing 2 locals from historically labour families but who voted tory. Reason? Sick of labour because of cuts to the NHS, courts and police. But tory voters aren't thick, no not at all... Can you point to any cuts from anyone to the nhs ? Police funding comes mainly from local government and in our area their budget has increased by at 5 % every year that's under tory control. The unmentioned issus is the cost of police pensions and allowing them to retire at 55, the same goes for the nhs and most public services, pensions are far far higher than a company could afford or a private one provides, this is where the money goes." 20,000 fewer police on the streets than in 2010 but Labour gets the blame. Tories moan when people talk about turkeys voting for Christmas but this is the perfect example of it. | |||
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"I've just seen a clip from BBC Breakfast which I assume is from Friday morning. Chris Mason interviewing 2 locals from historically labour families but who voted tory. Reason? Sick of labour because of cuts to the NHS, courts and police. But tory voters aren't thick, no not at all... Can you point to any cuts from anyone to the nhs ? Police funding comes mainly from local government and in our area their budget has increased by at 5 % every year that's under tory control. The unmentioned issus is the cost of police pensions and allowing them to retire at 55, the same goes for the nhs and most public services, pensions are far far higher than a company could afford or a private one provides, this is where the money goes." Police funding comes from central gmnt | |||
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"I've just seen a clip from BBC Breakfast which I assume is from Friday morning. Chris Mason interviewing 2 locals from historically labour families but who voted tory. Reason? Sick of labour because of cuts to the NHS, courts and police. But tory voters aren't thick, no not at all... Can you point to any cuts from anyone to the nhs ? Police funding comes mainly from local government and in our area their budget has increased by at 5 % every year that's under tory control. The unmentioned issus is the cost of police pensions and allowing them to retire at 55, the same goes for the nhs and most public services, pensions are far far higher than a company could afford or a private one provides, this is where the money goes. Police funding comes from central gmnt " Really?? Must have a word with my local council as the breakdown from my council tax seems to give a massive chunk of it to hertfordshire police | |||
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" Police funding comes from central gmnt " Actually. The proportion of total funding to PCCs is provided through the Local council precept is 35%. | |||
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" Police funding comes from central gmnt Actually. The proportion of total funding to PCCs is provided through the Local council precept is 35%. "Who decides how many police we have? | |||
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" Police funding comes from central gmnt Actually. The proportion of total funding to PCCs is provided through the Local council precept is 35%.
Who decides how many police we have?"And who decides when they have a do-nut? | |||
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" Police funding comes from central gmnt Actually. The proportion of total funding to PCCs is provided through the Local council precept is 35%.
Who decides how many police we have?
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"https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2020/12/17/provisional-police-funding-settlement-2021-22/" So? We have already said that 35% last year was paid by the precept. Which is NOT central government. | |||
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" Police funding comes from central gmnt Actually. The proportion of total funding to PCCs is provided through the Local council precept is 35%.
Who decides how many police we have?
And who decides when they have a do-nut?
Can you answer my question?"You said Central Government pays for the Police - I answered 35% comes from the Local Council Precept. | |||
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" Police funding comes from central gmnt Actually. The proportion of total funding to PCCs is provided through the Local council precept is 35%.
Who decides how many police we have?
And who decides when they have a do-nut?
Can you answer my question?
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"BTW Andy Burnham is yet another metropolitan who has never had a real job outside of politics. He will fail as badly as Starmer. Not answering Christopher? Eh what, answering what? If I can help shed light on an issue I will, fire away "I asked how mamy real jobs has akex had? | |||
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"BTW Andy Burnham is yet another metropolitan who has never had a real job outside of politics. He will fail as badly as Starmer. Not answering Christopher? Eh what, answering what? If I can help shed light on an issue I will, fire away
I asked how mamy real jobs has akex had?"Not being funny, who? | |||
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"BTW Andy Burnham is yet another metropolitan who has never had a real job outside of politics. He will fail as badly as Starmer. Not answering Christopher? Eh what, answering what? If I can help shed light on an issue I will, fire away
I asked how mamy real jobs has akex had?
Not being funny, who? "Alex boris de pfeffel Johnson That down to earth guy who is running the country..you must have heard of him...looks like a clown..has a compulsive lying issue and has the moral compass of a fraudster? | |||
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"BTW Andy Burnham is yet another metropolitan who has never had a real job outside of politics. He will fail as badly as Starmer. Not answering Christopher? Eh what, answering what? If I can help shed light on an issue I will, fire away
I asked how mamy real jobs has akex had?
Not being funny, who?
Alex boris de pfeffel Johnson
That down to earth guy who is running the country..you must have heard of him...looks like a clown..has a compulsive lying issue and has the moral compass of a fraudster?"Strange question. He was a well known journalist and writer: The Times and The Daily Telegraph: 1987–1994 Political columnist: 1994–1999 The Spectator: 1999–2008 Wrote about ten books, I can recommend “Lend me your Ears 2003”, very insightful. Can you point me at anything Burnham has written that I should get up to speed on? | |||
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I asked how mamy real jobs has akex had?
Not being funny, who?
Alex boris de pfeffel Johnson
That down to earth guy who is running the country..you must have heard of him...looks like a clown..has a compulsive lying issue and has the moral compass of a fraudster?
Strange question.
He was a well known journalist and writer:
The Times and The Daily Telegraph: 1987–1994
Political columnist: 1994–1999
The Spectator: 1999–2008
Wrote about ten books, I can recommend “Lend me your Ears 2003”, very insightful.
Can you point me at anything Burnham has written that I should get up to speed on?"Not really as you were asking about Burnham's career.. just not sure how you can be in politics and do another job Oh what am l saying?many tories seem to manage it. How did that journalism career end up btw? I'd forgotten he was a prolific writer I'd highly recommend the highly semitic book he wrote aswell. Or at least the reviews on Amazon | |||
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"When people had no bread they wanted it,when they had bread they wanted cake and labour was there to help. Wanting more than cake they need the tories. The people at the bottom are a smaller percentage and often cannot be bothered to vote so labour now becomes obsolete they need a new identity. Just a thought" Erm... | |||
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"BTW Andy Burnham is yet another metropolitan who has never had a real job outside of politics. He will fail as badly as Starmer. Not answering Christopher? Eh what, answering what? If I can help shed light on an issue I will, fire away
I asked how mamy real jobs has akex had?
Not being funny, who?
Alex boris de pfeffel Johnson
That down to earth guy who is running the country..you must have heard of him...looks like a clown..has a compulsive lying issue and has the moral compass of a fraudster?
Strange question.
He was a well known journalist and writer:
The Times and The Daily Telegraph: 1987–1994
Political columnist: 1994–1999
The Spectator: 1999–2008
Wrote about ten books, I can recommend “Lend me your Ears 2003”, very insightful.
Can you point me at anything Burnham has written that I should get up to speed on?
Not really as you were asking about Burnham's career.. just not sure how you can be in politics and do another job
Oh what am l saying?many tories seem to manage it.
How did that journalism career end up btw?
I'd forgotten he was a prolific writer
I'd highly recommend the highly semitic book he wrote aswell.
Or at least the reviews on Amazon
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I asked how mamy real jobs has akex had?
Not being funny, who?
Alex boris de pfeffel Johnson
That down to earth guy who is running the country..you must have heard of him...looks like a clown..has a compulsive lying issue and has the moral compass of a fraudster?
Strange question.
He was a well known journalist and writer:
The Times and The Daily Telegraph: 1987–1994
Political columnist: 1994–1999
The Spectator: 1999–2008
Wrote about ten books, I can recommend “Lend me your Ears 2003”, very insightful.
Can you point me at anything Burnham has written that I should get up to speed on?
Not really as you were asking about Burnham's career.. just not sure how you can be in politics and do another job
Oh what am l saying?many tories seem to manage it.
How did that journalism career end up btw?
I'd forgotten he was a prolific writer
I'd highly recommend the highly semitic book he wrote aswell.
Or at least the reviews on Amazon
Sure loads of Labour would of read it then if it was"Boris Johnson writes an anti semitic book...turned around onto labour. It would have took mystic meg to.see that coming | |||
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"BTW Andy Burnham is yet another metropolitan who has never had a real job outside of politics. He will fail as badly as Starmer. Not answering Christopher? Eh what, answering what? If I can help shed light on an issue I will, fire away
I asked how mamy real jobs has akex had?
Not being funny, who?
Alex boris de pfeffel Johnson
That down to earth guy who is running the country..you must have heard of him...looks like a clown..has a compulsive lying issue and has the moral compass of a fraudster?
Strange question.
He was a well known journalist and writer:
The Times and The Daily Telegraph: 1987–1994
Political columnist: 1994–1999
The Spectator: 1999–2008
Wrote about ten books, I can recommend “Lend me your Ears 2003”, very insightful.
Can you point me at anything Burnham has written that I should get up to speed on?
Not really as you were asking about Burnham's career.. just not sure how you can be in politics and do another job
Oh what am l saying?many tories seem to manage it.
How did that journalism career end up btw?
I'd forgotten he was a prolific writer
I'd highly recommend the highly semitic book he wrote aswell.
Or at least the reviews on Amazon
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"BTW Andy Burnham is yet another metropolitan who has never had a real job outside of politics. He will fail as badly as Starmer. Not answering Christopher? Eh what, answering what? If I can help shed light on an issue I will, fire away
I asked how mamy real jobs has akex had?
Not being funny, who?
Alex boris de pfeffel Johnson
That down to earth guy who is running the country..you must have heard of him...looks like a clown..has a compulsive lying issue and has the moral compass of a fraudster?
Strange question.
He was a well known journalist and writer:
The Times and The Daily Telegraph: 1987–1994
Political columnist: 1994–1999
The Spectator: 1999–2008
Wrote about ten books, I can recommend “Lend me your Ears 2003”, very insightful.
Can you point me at anything Burnham has written that I should get up to speed on?
Not really as you were asking about Burnham's career.. just not sure how you can be in politics and do another job
Oh what am l saying?many tories seem to manage it.
How did that journalism career end up btw?
I'd forgotten he was a prolific writer
I'd highly recommend the highly semitic book he wrote aswell.
Or at least the reviews on Amazon
I wasn’t asking anything about Burnham’s career. He’s never had a job outside of politics as I said. He’s a dullard and won’t be a vote winner for labour."He just won a lanfslide victory but is not a vote winner. Yep spot on | |||
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I asked how mamy real jobs has akex had?
Not being funny, who?
Alex boris de pfeffel Johnson
That down to earth guy who is running the country..you must have heard of him...looks like a clown..has a compulsive lying issue and has the moral compass of a fraudster?
Strange question.
He was a well known journalist and writer:
The Times and The Daily Telegraph: 1987–1994
Political columnist: 1994–1999
The Spectator: 1999–2008
Wrote about ten books, I can recommend “Lend me your Ears 2003”, very insightful.
Can you point me at anything Burnham has written that I should get up to speed on?
Not really as you were asking about Burnham's career.. just not sure how you can be in politics and do another job
Oh what am l saying?many tories seem to manage it.
How did that journalism career end up btw?
I'd forgotten he was a prolific writer
I'd highly recommend the highly semitic book he wrote aswell.
Or at least the reviews on Amazon
Sure loads of Labour would of read it then if it was
Boris Johnson writes an anti semitic book...turned around onto labour.
It would have took mystic meg to.see that coming "Quite obviously a joke | |||
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I asked how mamy real jobs has akex had?
Not being funny, who?
Alex boris de pfeffel Johnson
That down to earth guy who is running the country..you must have heard of him...looks like a clown..has a compulsive lying issue and has the moral compass of a fraudster?
Strange question.
He was a well known journalist and writer:
The Times and The Daily Telegraph: 1987–1994
Political columnist: 1994–1999
The Spectator: 1999–2008
Wrote about ten books, I can recommend “Lend me your Ears 2003”, very insightful.
Can you point me at anything Burnham has written that I should get up to speed on?
Not really as you were asking about Burnham's career.. just not sure how you can be in politics and do another job
Oh what am l saying?many tories seem to manage it.
How did that journalism career end up btw?
I'd forgotten he was a prolific writer
I'd highly recommend the highly semitic book he wrote aswell.
Or at least the reviews on Amazon
I wasn’t asking anything about Burnham’s career. He’s never had a job outside of politics as I said. He’s a dullard and won’t be a vote winner for labour.
He just won a lanfslide victory but is not a vote winner.
Yep spot on
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I asked how mamy real jobs has akex had?
Not being funny, who?
Alex boris de pfeffel Johnson
That down to earth guy who is running the country..you must have heard of him...looks like a clown..has a compulsive lying issue and has the moral compass of a fraudster?
Strange question.
He was a well known journalist and writer:
The Times and The Daily Telegraph: 1987–1994
Political columnist: 1994–1999
The Spectator: 1999–2008
Wrote about ten books, I can recommend “Lend me your Ears 2003”, very insightful.
Can you point me at anything Burnham has written that I should get up to speed on?
Not really as you were asking about Burnham's career.. just not sure how you can be in politics and do another job
Oh what am l saying?many tories seem to manage it.
How did that journalism career end up btw?
I'd forgotten he was a prolific writer
I'd highly recommend the highly semitic book he wrote aswell.
Or at least the reviews on Amazon
I wasn’t asking anything about Burnham’s career. He’s never had a job outside of politics as I said. He’s a dullard and won’t be a vote winner for labour.
He just won a lanfslide victory but is not a vote winner.
Yep spot on
What, like Ken Livingstone for example?
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" Conservatives lost their majority on Cambridgeshire County Council after Labour didn't field candidates in 6 key seats. Lib Dems took all of them. BBC link: https://t.co/9W9oFDpKvd It wasn't an official electoral pact but this is how you get change. Labour have spent too many years arguing about with themselves about who has the reddest underpants, meanwhile Johnson persuades poundland Hitler to stand down candidates. Result? 80 seat majority. Neither end of Labour have been willing to compromise on anything. It's like watching Newcastle players fighting on the pitch in the 90s. Austerity 2 is almost certainly on the way and our best chance of avoiding it is ruined because people on the same side let their egos get in the way of progress. What they need to do is form a coalition with the greens and the snp. There is no way they will defeat the tories on their own" Add the greens, SNP, DUP. Plaid, LibDems, Uncle Tom Cobley and all....it's still an 80 seat majority..... | |||
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" Conservatives lost their majority on Cambridgeshire County Council after Labour didn't field candidates in 6 key seats. Lib Dems took all of them. BBC link: https://t.co/9W9oFDpKvd It wasn't an official electoral pact but this is how you get change. Labour have spent too many years arguing about with themselves about who has the reddest underpants, meanwhile Johnson persuades poundland Hitler to stand down candidates. Result? 80 seat majority. Neither end of Labour have been willing to compromise on anything. It's like watching Newcastle players fighting on the pitch in the 90s. Austerity 2 is almost certainly on the way and our best chance of avoiding it is ruined because people on the same side let their egos get in the way of progress. What they need to do is form a coalition with the greens and the snp. There is no way they will defeat the tories on their own Add the greens, SNP, DUP. Plaid, LibDems, Uncle Tom Cobley and all....it's still an 80 seat majority....." I suggest you do your maths | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. " He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ? | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Some of the 'red wall' constituencies and places like Hartlepool have been left behind and that includes during the time of Blair's project, can fully understand why they might think let's try the other lot.. That's not to say i think the Tories genuinely will level up the north and other parts of the country, time will tell.. If they do then Labour however much it comes back to the centre will be in opposition a while yet.. The bit I dont get is they felt left behind by new labour as it moved to the centre,so in protest they decided to move for a party who was even more right wing." Last 11 GE results for labour Lost, lost, lost, lost, Blair, Blair, Blair, lost. Lost. Lost , lost.....they moved away from Blair or from Corbyn's loony left?? | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Some of the 'red wall' constituencies and places like Hartlepool have been left behind and that includes during the time of Blair's project, can fully understand why they might think let's try the other lot.. That's not to say i think the Tories genuinely will level up the north and other parts of the country, time will tell.. If they do then Labour however much it comes back to the centre will be in opposition a while yet.. The bit I dont get is they felt left behind by new labour as it moved to the centre,so in protest they decided to move for a party who was even more right wing. Last 11 GE results for labour Lost, lost, lost, lost, Blair, Blair, Blair, lost. Lost. Lost , lost.....they moved away from Blair or from Corbyn's loony left??" I'm sorry..do you have an actual point? | |||
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"Without a doubt ,they are in the wilderness..some problems are through their own making, some out of their control. They have lost Scotland to the snp and their core support in the north has fragmented. The big cities have largely ,stayed loyal whilst the smaller cities have increasingly felt disenfranchised over the last 20 years,and have drifted over to the far right policies of ukip,Brexit and the tories. Anyone who thinks this is nothing to do with immigration is deluded Whilst the party themselves is massively split between moving more to the right or retaining the more social Democratic policies of the corbyn era. Some of the 'red wall' constituencies and places like Hartlepool have been left behind and that includes during the time of Blair's project, can fully understand why they might think let's try the other lot.. That's not to say i think the Tories genuinely will level up the north and other parts of the country, time will tell.. If they do then Labour however much it comes back to the centre will be in opposition a while yet.. The bit I dont get is they felt left behind by new labour as it moved to the centre,so in protest they decided to move for a party who was even more right wing. Last 11 GE results for labour Lost, lost, lost, lost, Blair, Blair, Blair, lost. Lost. Lost , lost.....they moved away from Blair or from Corbyn's loony left??" They keep winning in Manchester, thank god I live in the area, makes me so proud , | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ? "You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you. | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you. "It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ? | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ? "Where? | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
Where?"Wetsherham, | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ? "All very subjective Oasis are shit  | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
All very subjective
Oasis are shit "In your opinion, Oasis aren’t even in the top 5 bands from Greater Manchester (in my opinion ) | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
Where?
Wetsherham, "Lol did you have anything personally to do with Manchesters football success? Or was that more down to Sheik whatshisface? Strange perspective you have | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
All very subjective
Oasis are shit
In your opinion, Oasis aren’t even in the top 5 bands from Greater Manchester (in my opinion ) "Have to agree with you there - Many great bands began life in Manchester. | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
All very subjective
Oasis are shit
In your opinion, Oasis aren’t even in the top 5 bands from Greater Manchester (in my opinion ) "What an Edge meister you are.  . | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
Where?
Wetsherham, "Where the fuck is westerham? | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
Where?
Wetsherham,
Lol did you have anything personally to do with Manchesters football success? Or was that more down to Sheik whatshisface?
Strange perspective you have"Best football teams in England, both into European cup finals , do Wasteham have a team? | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
All very subjective
Oasis are shit
In your opinion, Oasis aren’t even in the top 5 bands from Greater Manchester (in my opinion )
What an Edge meister you are. . "You stick to Mungo Jerry | |||
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"All I know about Manchester is it rains a lot. " Great city, great area, great mayor, great people, makes me proud to live here | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
All very subjective
Oasis are shit
In your opinion, Oasis aren’t even in the top 5 bands from Greater Manchester (in my opinion )
What an Edge meister you are. .
You stick to Mungo Jerry "I'm more into Eric Coates and Elgar tbh | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
All very subjective
Oasis are shit
In your opinion, Oasis aren’t even in the top 5 bands from Greater Manchester (in my opinion )
What an Edge meister you are. .
You stick to Mungo Jerry
I'm more into Eric Coates and Elgar tbh "Eric Coates - often considered a one hit wonder for his Dam Busters March, however there is some fantastic delights in his other works - most notably , London Suite and The Merrymakers | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
All very subjective
Oasis are shit
In your opinion, Oasis aren’t even in the top 5 bands from Greater Manchester (in my opinion ) "Thats why i said its subjective.. | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
All very subjective
Oasis are shit
In your opinion, Oasis aren’t even in the top 5 bands from Greater Manchester (in my opinion )
What an Edge meister you are. .
You stick to Mungo Jerry
I'm more into Eric Coates and Elgar tbh "Finger on the pulse | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
All very subjective
Oasis are shit
In your opinion, Oasis aren’t even in the top 5 bands from Greater Manchester (in my opinion )
Thats why i said its subjective.."I agree | |||
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"End of the day, the accuracy of my predictions (eg war with France) speaks for itself. Burnham is a clueless regional simpleton who has no appeal outside of his little local echo chamber. He is the king of Greater Manchester, you need to leave your tiny Weaterham bubble some time , do you have a mayor ?
You're welcome to him. But bear in mind it reflects badly on you.
It doesn’t, great city, great area, great mayor, great football teams, great music, great people . What is Wetterham famous for ?
All very subjective
Oasis are shit
In your opinion, Oasis aren’t even in the top 5 bands from Greater Manchester (in my opinion )
What an Edge meister you are. .
You stick to Mungo Jerry
I'm more into Eric Coates and Elgar tbh
Eric Coates - often considered a one hit wonder for his Dam Busters March, however there is some fantastic delights in his other works - most notably , London Suite and The Merrymakers "I can feel my blood rising now. Glorianna Forever. Stiffens the sinews indeed. | |||
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"Never been to Manchester. Hope to though love history and it’s got some decent museum. My father owns a Lowry which I hope to get my grubby mits on one day. So would like to have a look about. Back on thread. Andy Burnham would be a shrewd appointment that would unite Labour. " Wow, a Lowry? That will be worth a fortune , | |||
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"Never been to Manchester. Hope to though love history and it’s got some decent museum. My father owns a Lowry which I hope to get my grubby mits on one day. So would like to have a look about. Back on thread. Andy Burnham would be a shrewd appointment that would unite Labour. " I agree only him or nandy anyone else and there out for a decade | |||
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"Never been to Manchester. Hope to though love history and it’s got some decent museum. My father owns a Lowry which I hope to get my grubby mits on one day. So would like to have a look about. Back on thread. Andy Burnham would be a shrewd appointment that would unite Labour. I agree only him or nandy anyone else and there out for a decade " Manchester would be sad to see him leave as Mayor but he would make a good labour leader | |||
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