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"Honest question, do you really trust Boris and his band of thieves to make the correct health decisions for you? Or is it a who else do we listen to type situ?" Generally, Boris is only repeating the medical advice that his Sharmen give him | |||
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"Honest question, do you really trust Boris and his band of thieves to make the correct health decisions for you? Or is it a who else do we listen to type situ? Generally, Boris is only repeating the medical advice that his Sharmen give him" I don't know who Sharmen is, but I typed Shaman | |||
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"Honest question, do you really trust Boris and his band of thieves to make the correct health decisions for you? Or is it a who else do we listen to type situ?" Yes the proof is what he has done so far | |||
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"Wouldn't the same advisors advice who ever was in number 10" No, they are political appointees so each to their own so to speak.. | |||
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"Honest question, do you really trust Boris and his band of thieves to make the correct health decisions for you? Or is it a who else do we listen to type situ? Yes the proof is what he has done so far" 127,539?  | |||
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"Honest question, do you really trust Boris and his band of thieves to make the correct health decisions for you? Or is it a who else do we listen to type situ?" Why do people even need to question this party anymore ? This self serving shower Aren't good, weren't good and never will be any good for most of the population of the country.. Sadly they do actually make sure a certain few are kept happy and the wannabee upper middle classes also seem to think they are being helped to make it in this world by them.. Simple thing to remember anytime a vote comes along Never, ever.. Ever trust a Tory! | |||
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"Their performance for most of the year was atrocious but the NHS has been their saviour with the vaccine delivery. I trust medical research and experts who know their stuff. " So who procured the vaccine for the nhs to use ? | |||
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"That's what Public Health England is for..." That's why they are scrapping it | |||
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"Wouldn't the same advisors advice who ever was in number 10 No, they are political appointees so each to their own so to speak.." The civil service are supposed to be apolitical. | |||
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"...Sadly they do actually make sure a certain few are kept happy and the wannabee upper middle classes also seem to think they are being helped to make it in this world by them.. " Never mind 'upper', just aspiring to be 'middle class' (whatever that means nowadays) puts people fairly and squarely in the tory trap. It's the vote they're after and the mugs provide it. Imagine how much regard Boris and pals had, at Eton, for the townies. | |||
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"That's what Public Health England is for... That's why they are scrapping it" worse than that Bojo and his team are hoping to sell it and then get the British people to buy it back through everyone getting mandatory health insurance eventually. This would have happened a lot faster if Trump had won which is I suppose a small blessing despite the inevitability I suppose . | |||
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"Stormzy had it right." Stormzy is a dick..lol | |||
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"That's what Public Health England is for... That's why they are scrapping it worse than that Bojo and his team are hoping to sell it and then get the British people to buy it back through everyone getting mandatory health insurance eventually. This would have happened a lot faster if Trump had won which is I suppose a small blessing despite the inevitability I suppose . " Can’t say I am very political and regard anyone who even wants to be a politician with suspicion, but this “save the NHS” thing is old now. It gets brought out at every single election but does seem to have little basis in reality. The tories have been in power for over a decade now, NHS is still state owned. Let’s face it, it’s bulletproof politically, a politician is more likely to say “let’s give up the Falklands” than the NHS. | |||
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"...Sadly they do actually make sure a certain few are kept happy and the wannabee upper middle classes also seem to think they are being helped to make it in this world by them.. Never mind 'upper', just aspiring to be 'middle class' (whatever that means nowadays) puts people fairly and squarely in the tory trap. It's the vote they're after and the mugs provide it. Imagine how much regard Boris and pals had, at Eton, for the townies. " Oh dear yet more of the new politics, anyone who disagrees with the left is thick, stupid or a mug, of course they are racist and uneducated too. Rather than chuck insults perhaps if your party had a better argument and policies people might vote for them. Even lionel admits labour have no policies do why would people vote for them? | |||
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"...Sadly they do actually make sure a certain few are kept happy and the wannabee upper middle classes also seem to think they are being helped to make it in this world by them.. Never mind 'upper', just aspiring to be 'middle class' (whatever that means nowadays) puts people fairly and squarely in the tory trap. It's the vote they're after and the mugs provide it. Imagine how much regard Boris and pals had, at Eton, for the townies. Oh dear yet more of the new politics, anyone who disagrees with the left is thick, stupid or a mug, of course they are racist and uneducated too. Rather than chuck insults perhaps if your party had a better argument and policies people might vote for them. Even lionel admits labour have no policies do why would people vote for them?" Have to say, every time I get insulted for questioning a policy, it pushes me away from voting for that preferred candidate. | |||
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"Some of the ignorance of the processes are astounding. Yes everything anybody ever decides that is considered "shit" is all down to one individual. It's no surprise people can't lace their own shoes any more. "  | |||
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" Oh dear yet more of the new politics, anyone who disagrees with the left is thick, stupid or a mug, of course they are racist and uneducated too. Rather than chuck insults perhaps if your party had a better argument and policies people might vote for them. Even lionel admits labour have no policies do why would people vote for them?" Not sure what's 'New' about these politics. Nor am I sure about which is 'my party' as I'm just an observer in the middle. I do however feel sorry for those who have been saddled with the description of 'left' because they start out with a semantic disadvantage. 'Leftie' can always said with a sneer which is harder to impart to the word 'tory'. The word 'right' has the inestimable advantage of being synonymous with 'correct'. 'Left', however, on the other hand,has overtones of gaucheness and being the odd one out. Not a good start in life. 'Conservative' conveys the concept of keeping whatever you have acquired. That makes the concept more popular than.. ..'Labour' which has undertones of 'hard work', which is not universally appealing. If only Labour had changed their name to 'Democrats' before others wasted it, they might stand a better chance of attracting the middle voters, mugs and shrewd alike. Policies have far less to do with it than identity. | |||
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"Stormzy had it right. Stormzy is a dick..lol" He is, but I can't fault his opinion on Boris. | |||
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"Stormzy had it right. Stormzy is a dick..lol He is, but I can't fault his opinion on Boris." When have we previously called a PM by their first name? I find it disturbing to be honest because it suggests that he is a harmless bumbling baffoon as opposed to a back stabbing lying up to no good Johnson | |||
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"Stormzy had it right. Stormzy is a dick..lol He is, but I can't fault his opinion on Boris. When have we previously called a PM by their first name? I find it disturbing to be honest because it suggests that he is a harmless bumbling baffoon as opposed to a back stabbing lying up to no good Johnson" I think it's a deliberate game. | |||
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" Oh dear yet more of the new politics, anyone who disagrees with the left is thick, stupid or a mug, of course they are racist and uneducated too. Rather than chuck insults perhaps if your party had a better argument and policies people might vote for them. Even lionel admits labour have no policies do why would people vote for them? Not sure what's 'New' about these politics. Nor am I sure about which is 'my party' as I'm just an observer in the middle. I do however feel sorry for those who have been saddled with the description of 'left' because they start out with a semantic disadvantage. 'Leftie' can always said with a sneer which is harder to impart to the word 'tory'. The word 'right' has the inestimable advantage of being synonymous with 'correct'. 'Left', however, on the other hand,has overtones of gaucheness and being the odd one out. Not a good start in life. 'Conservative' conveys the concept of keeping whatever you have acquired. That makes the concept more popular than.. ..'Labour' which has undertones of 'hard work', which is not universally appealing. If only Labour had changed their name to 'Democrats' before others wasted it, they might stand a better chance of attracting the middle voters, mugs and shrewd alike. Policies have far less to do with it than identity." "Policies have far less to do with it that identity" .. Do you truly believe that.? God that is so depressing to think people vote for a colour of a logo or the label of the party over their perceived values and policies... So sad if that's the case. | |||
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"Stormzy had it right. Stormzy is a dick..lol He is, but I can't fault his opinion on Boris. When have we previously called a PM by their first name? I find it disturbing to be honest because it suggests that he is a harmless bumbling baffoon as opposed to a back stabbing lying up to no good Johnson" All part of the image. Look how quickly it slipped the other week when starmer had him on the ropes. | |||
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" "Policies have far less to do with it than identity" .. Do you truly believe that.? God that is so depressing to think people vote for a colour of a logo or the label of the party over their perceived values and policies... So sad if that's the case. " Sadly, that appears to be the case and probably accounts for most of the votes and I expect that their advisers know that only too well. | |||
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"Honest question, do you really trust Boris and his band of thieves to make the correct health decisions for you? Or is it a who else do we listen to type situ? Why do people even need to question this party anymore ? This self serving shower Aren't good, weren't good and never will be any good for most of the population of the country.. Sadly they do actually make sure a certain few are kept happy and the wannabee upper middle classes also seem to think they are being helped to make it in this world by them.. Simple thing to remember anytime a vote comes along Never, ever.. Ever trust a Tory! " In the last 100 years there has only been one thing worse than conservative governments, labour ones. | |||
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" All part of the image. Look how quickly it slipped the other week when starmer had him on the ropes." I don't have a telly and didn't see the interaction. However, the next morning i was privy to a conversation among some 'Boris is the cat's whiskers' supporters who were saying how Boris wiped the floor with Starmer. Hurrah for the focus of party loyalty, eh! | |||
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" All part of the image. Look how quickly it slipped the other week when starmer had him on the ropes. I don't have a telly and didn't see the interaction. However, the next morning i was privy to a conversation among some 'Boris is the cat's whiskers' supporters who were saying how Boris wiped the floor with Starmer. Hurrah for the focus of party loyalty, eh!" Delusional | |||
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"Stormzy had it right. Stormzy is a dick..lol He is, but I can't fault his opinion on Boris. When have we previously called a PM by their first name? I find it disturbing to be honest because it suggests that he is a harmless bumbling baffoon as opposed to a back stabbing lying up to no good Johnson" Tony Blair Gordon Brown Theresa may to name a few ... | |||
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"Stormzy had it right. Stormzy is a dick..lol He is, but I can't fault his opinion on Boris. When have we previously called a PM by their first name? I find it disturbing to be honest because it suggests that he is a harmless bumbling baffoon as opposed to a back stabbing lying up to no good Johnson Tony Blair Gordon Brown Theresa may to name a few ..." None of them were remotely known by their Christian names. | |||
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"Stormzy had it right. Stormzy is a dick..lol He is, but I can't fault his opinion on Boris. When have we previously called a PM by their first name? I find it disturbing to be honest because it suggests that he is a harmless bumbling baffoon as opposed to a back stabbing lying up to no good Johnson Tony Blair Gordon Brown Theresa may to name a few ... None of them were remotely known by their Christian names." That’s not the experience I’ve had I’ve only ever known them to be addressed by there full names as in PM so and so. A quick google may solve that | |||
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"Stormzy had it right. Stormzy is a dick..lol He is, but I can't fault his opinion on Boris. When have we previously called a PM by their first name? I find it disturbing to be honest because it suggests that he is a harmless bumbling baffoon as opposed to a back stabbing lying up to no good Johnson Tony Blair Gordon Brown Theresa may to name a few ... None of them were remotely known by their Christian names. That’s not the experience I’ve had I’ve only ever known them to be addressed by there full names as in PM so and so. A quick google may solve that " It was never Tony or Theresa. It was Tony Blair, or Blair. Calling him Boris is stupid. | |||
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"Honest question, do you really trust Boris and his band of thieves to make the correct health decisions for you? Or is it a who else do we listen to type situ? Why do people even need to question this party anymore ? This self serving shower Aren't good, weren't good and never will be any good for most of the population of the country.. Sadly they do actually make sure a certain few are kept happy and the wannabee upper middle classes also seem to think they are being helped to make it in this world by them.. Simple thing to remember anytime a vote comes along Never, ever.. Ever trust a Tory! " But you would trust Gordon Brown Tony Blair James Callaghan Harol Wilson which imo makes you a pretty poor judge of character. I don't remember the NHS being any better funded, I don't remember the economy being in a better condition, I don't remember wages being higher under any of them, so what exactly were you trusting them on exactly? | |||
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" With Boris it is truly is just a "Act" and even sadder most fall for it and the fawning press doesn't help or rather didn't help matter and they have to shoulder some of the blame when the wheels do fall of the wagon but with only 30% taking a regular interest in politics and what's really happening ??? that leaves 70% open to .... "Yet the Tories have just won a staunch labour seat with a 7000 majority, when did such a swing to a government last happen? Of course you are entitled to your view of the Tories but please dont insult others for exercising their vote in the way they wish. | |||
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" It was never Tony or Theresa. It was Tony Blair, or Blair. Calling him Boris is stupid." Not stupid as far as he is concerned. It's got him where he is! | |||
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" It was never Tony or Theresa. It was Tony Blair, or Blair. Calling him Boris is stupid. Not stupid as far as he is concerned. It's got him where he is! " Yes, well. | |||
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"Honest question, do you really trust Boris and his band of thieves to make the correct health decisions for you? Or is it a who else do we listen to type situ? Why do people even need to question this party anymore ? This self serving shower Aren't good, weren't good and never will be any good for most of the population of the country.. Sadly they do actually make sure a certain few are kept happy and the wannabee upper middle classes also seem to think they are being helped to make it in this world by them.. Simple thing to remember anytime a vote comes along Never, ever.. Ever trust a Tory! But you would trust Gordon Brown Tony Blair James Callaghan Harol Wilson which imo makes you a pretty poor judge of character. I don't remember the NHS being any better funded, I don't remember the economy being in a better condition, I don't remember wages being higher under any of them, so what exactly were you trusting them on exactly? " You realise that with the exception of Blair, the conservatives have been in power for the best part of 40 years? | |||
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" ... None of them were remotely known by their Christian names. That’s not the experience I’ve had I’ve only ever known them to be addressed by there full names as in PM so and so. A quick google may solve that " Probably the nearest we came to it previously were 'Maggie', quite frequently used without the 'Thatcher'(let us not forget "Maggie, Maggie, Maggie,out, out, out!"). Then, more recently, we had Cameron with his 'Call me Dave' initiative. | |||
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"Honest question, do you really trust Boris and his band of thieves to make the correct health decisions for you? Or is it a who else do we listen to type situ?" I wouldn’t trust any politician of any party to make any decision for me lol. However I do believe public health England and the advisors would be giving the same information to whoever was in government at the time. Can only do what’s best for me in my opinion based on my own research  | |||
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" With Boris it is truly is just a "Act" and even sadder most fall for it and the fawning press doesn't help or rather didn't help matter and they have to shoulder some of the blame when the wheels do fall of the wagon but with only 30% taking a regular interest in politics and what's really happening ??? that leaves 70% open to ....
Yet the Tories have just won a staunch labour seat with a 7000 majority, when did such a swing to a government last happen?
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"Wouldn't the same advisors advice who ever was in number 10 No, they are political appointees so each to their own so to speak.." I think you'll find Sir Patrick Vallance was Chief Scientific Officer long before Boris became PM | |||
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"Honest question, do you really trust Boris and his band of thieves to make the correct health decisions for you? Or is it a who else do we listen to type situ? I wouldn’t trust any politician of any party to make any decision for me lol. However I do believe public health England and the advisors would be giving the same information to whoever was in government at the time. Can only do what’s best for me in my opinion based on my own research "Maybe your right in regards to PHE giving the same info to whichever government I just don’t trust Boris as far as I can throw him. I agree we should do what’s best for ourselves based on our own research | |||
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"Honest question, do you really trust Boris and his band of thieves to make the correct health decisions for you? Or is it a who else do we listen to type situ? I wouldn’t trust any politician of any party to make any decision for me lol. However I do believe public health England and the advisors would be giving the same information to whoever was in government at the time. Can only do what’s best for me in my opinion based on my own research
Maybe your right in regards to PHE giving the same info to whichever government I just don’t trust Boris as far as I can throw him. I agree we should do what’s best for ourselves based on our own research "I don’t trust any of them from any party as far as I could throw them that’s the sad thing lol! Xx | |||
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"...I don't remember the NHS being any better funded... " Hang on! Wasn't the NHS on the verge of being destroyed until coronavirus came along? | |||
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" It was never Tony or Theresa. It was Tony Blair, or Blair. Calling him Boris is stupid. Not stupid as far as he is concerned. It's got him where he is! " Just out of interest. And I can understand that some, possibly many people take pleasure in moaning. But how can Boris, have any control over what other people call him? What they call him in forum threads or in emails or in private conversations... How exactly has he ever exercised any control at all over what you or anyone else chooses to call him.? In the same way as nobody can control what anyone calls william or Harry. If anyone chooses to call him Boris... Well that is squarely on you. | |||
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" Most people have no idea how our "NHS" is funded ??? or even their pensions ?? or even their Benefits ??? and if you do try telling them...and we quite a large pot of money that can't be spent on anything else and so hence the reason why the big players in the American health scam are now sniffing around ??? "Or you can just kick the NHS can along the road for another 20 years... Not change anything.... Just pour money into it... Not adopt any of the new practises that any other new business / entity has been adopting. Yeah...lets do that because we can't accept that change is needed. | |||
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" It was never Tony or Theresa. It was Tony Blair, or Blair. Calling him Boris is stupid. Not stupid as far as he is concerned. It's got him where he is! Just out of interest. And I can understand that some, possibly many people take pleasure in moaning. But how can Boris, have any control over what other people call him? What they call him in forum threads or in emails or in private conversations... How exactly has he ever exercised any control at all over what you or anyone else chooses to call him.? In the same way as nobody can control what anyone calls william or Harry. If anyone chooses to call him Boris... Well that is squarely on you. " You dont think politicians have publicists? Go and look at any newspaper..every single headline /story calls him boris. It may seem like an insignificant matter,but it's all part of the image that's been carefully orchestrated | |||
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" Most people have no idea how our "NHS" is funded ??? or even their pensions ?? or even their Benefits ??? and if you do try telling them...and we quite a large pot of money that can't be spent on anything else and so hence the reason why the big players in the American health scam are now sniffing around ???
Or you can just kick the NHS can along the road for another 20 years... Not change anything.... Just pour money into it... Not adopt any of the new practises that any other new business / entity has been adopting. Yeah...lets do that because we can't accept that change is needed. "The NHS isnt a business . It provides a service,an almost unique one. | |||
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" It was never Tony or Theresa. It was Tony Blair, or Blair. Calling him Boris is stupid. Not stupid as far as he is concerned. It's got him where he is! Just out of interest. And I can understand that some, possibly many people take pleasure in moaning. But how can Boris, have any control over what other people call him? What they call him in forum threads or in emails or in private conversations... How exactly has he ever exercised any control at all over what you or anyone else chooses to call him.? In the same way as nobody can control what anyone calls william or Harry. If anyone chooses to call him Boris... Well that is squarely on you. You dont think politicians have publicists? Go and look at any newspaper..every single headline /story calls him boris. It may seem like an insignificant matter,but it's all part of the image that's been carefully orchestrated " I'm sorry not buying it. I dont doubt they all have media advisors. I call him Boris, bj, pm, the pm, Johnson, Boris Johnson.... Interchangeably and as the mood takes me and in context of the conversation I'm having. And whatever I choose to call him makes one single bit of difference to what he does, his governments policies or my behaviours towards them. How many people call sir Alex ferguson "sir Alex ferguson" as opposed to fergie. | |||
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" Most people have no idea how our "NHS" is funded ??? or even their pensions ?? or even their Benefits ??? and if you do try telling them...and we quite a large pot of money that can't be spent on anything else and so hence the reason why the big players in the American health scam are now sniffing around ???
Or you can just kick the NHS can along the road for another 20 years... Not change anything.... Just pour money into it... Not adopt any of the new practises that any other new business / entity has been adopting. Yeah...lets do that because we can't accept that change is needed.
The NHS isnt a business
. It provides a service,an almost unique one."Are you suggesting that nowhere else provide health care for their citizens? Gosh we must be the healthiest nation on the planet.. Our cancer recovery rates must be the top and our age of death must be much higher than other countries with our unique health service. | |||
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" Most people have no idea how our "NHS" is funded ??? or even their pensions ?? or even their Benefits ??? and if you do try telling them...and we quite a large pot of money that can't be spent on anything else and so hence the reason why the big players in the American health scam are now sniffing around ???
Or you can just kick the NHS can along the road for another 20 years... Not change anything.... Just pour money into it... Not adopt any of the new practises that any other new business / entity has been adopting. Yeah...lets do that because we can't accept that change is needed.
The NHS isnt a business
. It provides a service,an almost unique one."Of course it is but this is 2021 not 1948, things have to change | |||
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" It was never Tony or Theresa. It was Tony Blair, or Blair. Calling him Boris is stupid. Not stupid as far as he is concerned. It's got him where he is! Just out of interest. And I can understand that some, possibly many people take pleasure in moaning. But how can Boris, have any control over what other people call him? What they call him in forum threads or in emails or in private conversations... How exactly has he ever exercised any control at all over what you or anyone else chooses to call him.? In the same way as nobody can control what anyone calls william or Harry. If anyone chooses to call him Boris... Well that is squarely on you. You dont think politicians have publicists? Go and look at any newspaper..every single headline /story calls him boris. It may seem like an insignificant matter,but it's all part of the image that's been carefully orchestrated I'm sorry not buying it. I dont doubt they all have media advisors. I call him Boris, bj, pm, the pm, Johnson, Boris Johnson.... Interchangeably and as the mood takes me and in context of the conversation I'm having. And whatever I choose to call him makes one single bit of difference to what he does, his governments policies or my behaviours towards them. How many people call sir Alex ferguson "sir Alex ferguson" as opposed to fergie. " You realise just because it doesnt affect you,it sffects no one? Are you kidding about ferguson? | |||
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" Most people have no idea how our "NHS" is funded ??? or even their pensions ?? or even their Benefits ??? and if you do try telling them...and we quite a large pot of money that can't be spent on anything else and so hence the reason why the big players in the American health scam are now sniffing around ???
Or you can just kick the NHS can along the road for another 20 years... Not change anything.... Just pour money into it... Not adopt any of the new practises that any other new business / entity has been adopting. Yeah...lets do that because we can't accept that change is needed.
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Are you suggesting that nowhere else provide health care for their citizens? Gosh we must be the healthiest nation on the planet.. Our cancer recovery rates must be the top and our age of death must be much higher than other countries with our unique health service. "I.meamt unique in this country. I'm not sure how mamy other countires have a similar system to the NHS | |||
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" The NHS is in need of reform without a doubt but should be led by the people who know and not the likes of Sir Richard Branson and co ??? and we need a grown up conversation about it and can't see that happening any time soon either and like education be used as footieball at the next election and for ever after and i'm guesing that a millionaire tax exile making even more out of abused kids is totally 100% fine though ??? "Virgin already run some services, they do the one K works in, they have made a lot of good changes, dumped a lot of expensive offices to one hub, brought in lap tops instead of FIVE sets of paper forms among others, there is a lot more they could do if allowed, core service is at least as good if not better than before. Also its run as a non profit making business, I would say he could be just the man do change it. That's from someone who is no fan of his generally | |||
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"Honest question, do you really trust Boris and his band of thieves to make the correct health decisions for you? Or is it a who else do we listen to type situ? Why do people even need to question this party anymore ? This self serving shower Aren't good, weren't good and never will be any good for most of the population of the country.. Sadly they do actually make sure a certain few are kept happy and the wannabee upper middle classes also seem to think they are being helped to make it in this world by them.. Simple thing to remember anytime a vote comes along Never, ever.. Ever trust a Tory! But you would trust Gordon Brown Tony Blair James Callaghan Harol Wilson which imo makes you a pretty poor judge of character. I don't remember the NHS being any better funded, I don't remember the economy being in a better condition, I don't remember wages being higher under any of them, so what exactly were you trusting them on exactly? You realise that with the exception of Blair, the conservatives have been in power for the best part of 40 years?" Yup, we've had a Tory Government for 30 of the last 42 years | |||
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This is all you get from labour its not surprising people don't vote for them. Come up with some credible policies instead of calling out the voters and they ight start getting somewhere. | |||
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"Never Trust a Tory Win a general election for a 5 year term , But then have 2 further elections in the next 4 years because your party really cant agree on its policy or leader or Where it wants to go 2015 = Dave 2017 = Tressamae 2019 = Bodge Just creates a belief that 1 party is a dominant force But really shows how " the people " can be so easily Manipulated & conned in a very short space of time ." I see a patten there, 2021? | |||
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"Here we go again the people are conned well it seems that the majority of the electorate are easily conned going by the results that are coming in.
This is all you get from labour its not surprising people don't vote for them. Come up with some credible policies instead of calling out the voters and they ight start getting somewhere."Turkeys voting for Christmas  | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. " Ha ha I want sneering. I was just repeating some of the disdain I have seen on here from them. Hence the | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... " We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories'" I bet some of the thirsty ones would change their mind if it was on offer from a Tory. I’ve seen no Coldplay fans no that I can get behind. | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' I bet some of the thirsty ones would change their mind if it was on offer from a Tory. I’ve seen no Coldplay fans no that I can get behind. " | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories'" And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found " Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.  | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought. "It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. " So you vote for a party based on nothing to do with their policies? That seems logical | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party "
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"First you have to have policies to vote on. He voted Tory. Did you not read his post?" Actually he said he voted for 'almost anyone but Labour' Did you not read his post? | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance "The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them | |||
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"First you have to have policies to vote on. He voted Tory. Did you not read his post? Actually he said he voted for 'almost anyone but Labour' Did you not read his post?" He votes for parties based on the supposed attitudes of labour voters and nothing to do with the policies of who he is voting for. Like I said. Logical | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them"How many leftists have murdered mps again? | |||
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" Never ever ceases to amaze me that 99% of our most cherished rights came from so called left/liberal leaning governments and yet the huddled masses still continue the shared delusion it was the right leaning governments ?? and we are now truly in the land of turkeys voting for christmas and a sad upshot of history or even the most basic lessons in how..what and when not being taught in schools anymore and rule of thumb should be applied if it's in the sun/daily mail it is 90% bollocks/lie "Remind who made gay marriage legal and which party has had two female leaders, | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them"No Boris fans, Tories, Brexit voters ever say anything like: "Remoaners should fuck off out of the country" "Remoaners should be hung" "Remoaners should be shot" "Remoaners should be spat on" "Remoaners have mental health problems". Etc etc. To suggest that insults only come from one side, is ridiculous. Try posting any form of political dissent on here and see the abuse you get directly, and directly to your inbox. | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
How many leftists have murdered mps again?"Yes one mentally ill individual now Let's compare violent demonstrations and which side attacks the police the most and causes injuries. It's so evident that you are so blind you cant tell the difference between the FAR right extremes and the soft left. | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
No Boris fans, Tories, Brexit voters ever say anything like:
"Remoaners should fuck off out of the country"
"Remoaners should be hung"
"Remoaners should be shot"
"Remoaners should be spat on"
"Remoaners have mental health problems".
Etc etc.
To suggest that insults only come from one side, is ridiculous. Try posting any form of political dissent on here and see the abuse you get directly, and directly to your inbox. "I've not seen anyone suggest any of the above can you post the examples | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
How many leftists have murdered mps again?
Yes one mentally ill individual now Let's compare violent demonstrations and which side attacks the police the most and causes injuries.
It's so evident that you are so blind you cant tell the difference between the FAR right extremes and the soft left.
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
No Boris fans, Tories, Brexit voters ever say anything like:
"Remoaners should fuck off out of the country"
"Remoaners should be hung"
"Remoaners should be shot"
"Remoaners should be spat on"
"Remoaners have mental health problems".
Etc etc.
To suggest that insults only come from one side, is ridiculous. Try posting any form of political dissent on here and see the abuse you get directly, and directly to your inbox. "that’s right insults come from both sides iv also had some bad insults from some respected remainers on here called a few of them out on here recently | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
How many leftists have murdered mps again?
Yes one mentally ill individual now Let's compare violent demonstrations and which side attacks the police the most and causes injuries.
It's so evident that you are so blind you cant tell the difference between the FAR right extremes and the soft left.
Is our nigel a moderate?"Compared to who ? Has he suggested violence against anyone ? He campaigned to leave the EU not sure that is extreme, he wanted control on immigration it would appear that a majority of people agree. | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
No Boris fans, Tories, Brexit voters ever say anything like:
"Remoaners should fuck off out of the country"
"Remoaners should be hung"
"Remoaners should be shot"
"Remoaners should be spat on"
"Remoaners have mental health problems".
Etc etc.
To suggest that insults only come from one side, is ridiculous. Try posting any form of political dissent on here and see the abuse you get directly, and directly to your inbox.
I've not seen anyone suggest any of the above can you post the examples "It happens often. Some of these are more extreme examples, all from this forum. But the "remoaners have mental health problems" is near a daily insult. And for a while so was the "remoaners should fuck off out of the country". I delete the PMs, and respond to the hate that I get on here directly. I don't know how you want me to post examples. These forms have a strong Leaver/Tory demographic, and a small number of people who don't trust the government, and don't think Brexit is a good idea. There are dickheads on both sides of the divide. To suggest that abuse only comes from those who you believe to be "soft left" is simply silly, there's no way you haven't seen the abuse coming our way. I'm any case, from time to time we manage to have good discussions on here, I wish we could have more of those without cheap insults either way. | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
No Boris fans, Tories, Brexit voters ever say anything like:
"Remoaners should fuck off out of the country"
"Remoaners should be hung"
"Remoaners should be shot"
"Remoaners should be spat on"
"Remoaners have mental health problems".
Etc etc.
To suggest that insults only come from one side, is ridiculous. Try posting any form of political dissent on here and see the abuse you get directly, and directly to your inbox. that’s right insults come from both sides iv also had some bad insults from some respected remainers on here called a few of them out on here recently "Good. Call out people who insult you, and let's all get back on track for some proper discussion. | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
How many leftists have murdered mps again?
Yes one mentally ill individual now Let's compare violent demonstrations and which side attacks the police the most and causes injuries.
It's so evident that you are so blind you cant tell the difference between the FAR right extremes and the soft left.
Is our nigel a moderate?
Compared to who ?
Has he suggested violence against anyone ? He campaigned to leave the EU not sure that is extreme, he wanted control on immigration it would appear that a majority of people agree."https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/police-investigate-nigel-farage-knife-comments Was that a rhetorical question? | |||
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" Never ever ceases to amaze me that 99% of our most cherished rights came from so called left/liberal leaning governments and yet the huddled masses still continue the shared delusion it was the right leaning governments ?? and we are now truly in the land of turkeys voting for christmas and a sad upshot of history or even the most basic lessons in how..what and when not being taught in schools anymore and rule of thumb should be applied if it's in the sun/daily mail it is 90% bollocks/lie "Purely for my own research purposes, can you give me a list of some of these "cherished rights" please? | |||
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" Never ever ceases to amaze me that 99% of our most cherished rights came from so called left/liberal leaning governments and yet the huddled masses still continue the shared delusion it was the right leaning governments ?? and we are now truly in the land of turkeys voting for christmas and a sad upshot of history or even the most basic lessons in how..what and when not being taught in schools anymore and rule of thumb should be applied if it's in the sun/daily mail it is 90% bollocks/lie
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
No Boris fans, Tories, Brexit voters ever say anything like:
"Remoaners should fuck off out of the country"
"Remoaners should be hung"
"Remoaners should be shot"
"Remoaners should be spat on"
"Remoaners have mental health problems".
Etc etc.
To suggest that insults only come from one side, is ridiculous. Try posting any form of political dissent on here and see the abuse you get directly, and directly to your inbox.
I've not seen anyone suggest any of the above can you post the examples
It happens often. Some of these are more extreme examples, all from this forum. But the "remoaners have mental health problems" is near a daily insult. And for a while so was the "remoaners should fuck off out of the country".
I delete the PMs, and respond to the hate that I get on here directly. I don't know how you want me to post examples.
These forms have a strong Leaver/Tory demographic, and a small number of people who don't trust the government, and don't think Brexit is a good idea.
There are dickheads on both sides of the divide. To suggest that abuse only comes from those who you believe to be "soft left" is simply silly, there's no way you haven't seen the abuse coming our way.
I'm any case, from time to time we manage to have good discussions on here, I wish we could have more of those without cheap insults either way.
"I agree dickheads both sides and I truly have only seen one about fuck of out the country there’s as been plenty over the yrs about leavers been racist and traitors think it was yesterday traitors was used by the same guy who’s been ranting for yrs but most think he’s just a dock head so no one really cares tbf lol it does need to stop now tho | |||
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" Never ever ceases to amaze me that 99% of our most cherished rights came from so called left/liberal leaning governments and yet the huddled masses still continue the shared delusion it was the right leaning governments ?? and we are now truly in the land of turkeys voting for christmas and a sad upshot of history or even the most basic lessons in how..what and when not being taught in schools anymore and rule of thumb should be applied if it's in the sun/daily mail it is 90% bollocks/lie
Purely for my own research purposes, can you give me a list of some of these "cherished rights" please?
Welfare state
NHS "Neither of these are "rights", they're services. | |||
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" Never ever ceases to amaze me that 99% of our most cherished rights came from so called left/liberal leaning governments and yet the huddled masses still continue the shared delusion it was the right leaning governments ?? and we are now truly in the land of turkeys voting for christmas and a sad upshot of history or even the most basic lessons in how..what and when not being taught in schools anymore and rule of thumb should be applied if it's in the sun/daily mail it is 90% bollocks/lie
Purely for my own research purposes, can you give me a list of some of these "cherished rights" please?
Welfare state
NHS
Neither of these are "rights", they're services."Having access to basic level of living is not a 'service | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
How many leftists have murdered mps again?
Yes one mentally ill individual now Let's compare violent demonstrations and which side attacks the police the most and causes injuries.
It's so evident that you are so blind you cant tell the difference between the FAR right extremes and the soft left.
Is our nigel a moderate?
Compared to who ?
Has he suggested violence against anyone ? He campaigned to leave the EU not sure that is extreme, he wanted control on immigration it would appear that a majority of people agree.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/police-investigate-nigel-farage-knife-comments
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
No Boris fans, Tories, Brexit voters ever say anything like:
"Remoaners should fuck off out of the country"
"Remoaners should be hung"
"Remoaners should be shot"
"Remoaners should be spat on"
"Remoaners have mental health problems".
Etc etc.
To suggest that insults only come from one side, is ridiculous. Try posting any form of political dissent on here and see the abuse you get directly, and directly to your inbox.
I've not seen anyone suggest any of the above can you post the examples
It happens often. Some of these are more extreme examples, all from this forum. But the "remoaners have mental health problems" is near a daily insult. And for a while so was the "remoaners should fuck off out of the country".
I delete the PMs, and respond to the hate that I get on here directly. I don't know how you want me to post examples.
These forms have a strong Leaver/Tory demographic, and a small number of people who don't trust the government, and don't think Brexit is a good idea.
There are dickheads on both sides of the divide. To suggest that abuse only comes from those who you believe to be "soft left" is simply silly, there's no way you haven't seen the abuse coming our way.
I'm any case, from time to time we manage to have good discussions on here, I wish we could have more of those without cheap insults either way.
I agree dickheads both sides and I truly have only seen one about fuck of out the country there’s as been plenty over the yrs about leavers been racist and traitors think it was yesterday traitors was used by the same guy who’s been ranting for yrs but most think he’s just a dock head so no one really cares tbf lol it does need to stop now tho"We probably all see the insults directed at ourselves more than we see those directed at others. We were having a good discussion this morning about the election before the insults started flying in, being called "deluded" for having an opinion. It's not the worst insult, but it just makes the conversation pointless. I like talking here with people who have different opinions to my friends. | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
No Boris fans, Tories, Brexit voters ever say anything like:
"Remoaners should fuck off out of the country"
"Remoaners should be hung"
"Remoaners should be shot"
"Remoaners should be spat on"
"Remoaners have mental health problems".
Etc etc.
To suggest that insults only come from one side, is ridiculous. Try posting any form of political dissent on here and see the abuse you get directly, and directly to your inbox.
I've not seen anyone suggest any of the above can you post the examples
It happens often. Some of these are more extreme examples, all from this forum. But the "remoaners have mental health problems" is near a daily insult. And for a while so was the "remoaners should fuck off out of the country".
I delete the PMs, and respond to the hate that I get on here directly. I don't know how you want me to post examples.
These forms have a strong Leaver/Tory demographic, and a small number of people who don't trust the government, and don't think Brexit is a good idea.
There are dickheads on both sides of the divide. To suggest that abuse only comes from those who you believe to be "soft left" is simply silly, there's no way you haven't seen the abuse coming our way.
I'm any case, from time to time we manage to have good discussions on here, I wish we could have more of those without cheap insults either way.
I agree dickheads both sides and I truly have only seen one about fuck of out the country there’s as been plenty over the yrs about leavers been racist and traitors think it was yesterday traitors was used by the same guy who’s been ranting for yrs but most think he’s just a dock head so no one really cares tbf lol it does need to stop now tho
We probably all see the insults directed at ourselves more than we see those directed at others.
We were having a good discussion this morning about the election before the insults started flying in, being called "deluded" for having an opinion. It's not the worst insult, but it just makes the conversation pointless.
I like talking here with people who have different opinions to my friends.
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
No Boris fans, Tories, Brexit voters ever say anything like:
"Remoaners should fuck off out of the country"
"Remoaners should be hung"
"Remoaners should be shot"
"Remoaners should be spat on"
"Remoaners have mental health problems".
Etc etc.
To suggest that insults only come from one side, is ridiculous. Try posting any form of political dissent on here and see the abuse you get directly, and directly to your inbox.
I've not seen anyone suggest any of the above can you post the examples
It happens often. Some of these are more extreme examples, all from this forum. But the "remoaners have mental health problems" is near a daily insult. And for a while so was the "remoaners should fuck off out of the country".
I delete the PMs, and respond to the hate that I get on here directly. I don't know how you want me to post examples.
These forms have a strong Leaver/Tory demographic, and a small number of people who don't trust the government, and don't think Brexit is a good idea.
There are dickheads on both sides of the divide. To suggest that abuse only comes from those who you believe to be "soft left" is simply silly, there's no way you haven't seen the abuse coming our way.
I'm any case, from time to time we manage to have good discussions on here, I wish we could have more of those without cheap insults either way.
I agree dickheads both sides and I truly have only seen one about fuck of out the country there’s as been plenty over the yrs about leavers been racist and traitors think it was yesterday traitors was used by the same guy who’s been ranting for yrs but most think he’s just a dock head so no one really cares tbf lol it does need to stop now tho
We probably all see the insults directed at ourselves more than we see those directed at others.
We were having a good discussion this morning about the election before the insults started flying in, being called "deluded" for having an opinion. It's not the worst insult, but it just makes the conversation pointless.
I like talking here with people who have different opinions to my friends.
NO I DID NOT."Oh hi. Yes this was you. You referenced a point I made and said anyone who thinks this is deluded. Wished you a happy Friday and left. | |||
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" Never ever ceases to amaze me that 99% of our most cherished rights came from so called left/liberal leaning governments and yet the huddled masses still continue the shared delusion it was the right leaning governments ?? and we are now truly in the land of turkeys voting for christmas and a sad upshot of history or even the most basic lessons in how..what and when not being taught in schools anymore and rule of thumb should be applied if it's in the sun/daily mail it is 90% bollocks/lie
Purely for my own research purposes, can you give me a list of some of these "cherished rights" please?
Welfare state
NHS
Neither of these are "rights", they're services.
Having access to basic level of living is not a 'service"Yes they are. They are services that provide access to a basic level of living. As an example, a basic human right in the UK is "Freedom of thought, belief and religion". Something the labour party pissed all over which is why they were taken before the ECHR and found culpable. | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought. "Perhaps Tories will just Fuck anything . No Morals whatsoever | |||
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" NO I DID NOT. Oh hi. Yes this was you. You referenced a point I made and said anyone who thinks this is deluded. Wished you a happy Friday and left. " And quote my answer to you!!!!!!! | |||
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" Never ever ceases to amaze me that 99% of our most cherished rights came from so called left/liberal leaning governments and yet the huddled masses still continue the shared delusion it was the right leaning governments ?? and we are now truly in the land of turkeys voting for christmas and a sad upshot of history or even the most basic lessons in how..what and when not being taught in schools anymore and rule of thumb should be applied if it's in the sun/daily mail it is 90% bollocks/lie
Purely for my own research purposes, can you give me a list of some of these "cherished rights" please?
Welfare state
NHS
Neither of these are "rights", they're services.
Having access to basic level of living is not a 'service
Yes they are. They are services that provide access to a basic level of living. As an example, a basic human right in the UK is "Freedom of thought, belief and religion". Something the labour party pissed all over which is why they were taken before the ECHR and found culpable."Right And how is that tory report into Islamaphobia coming along? | |||
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" Never ever ceases to amaze me that 99% of our most cherished rights came from so called left/liberal leaning governments and yet the huddled masses still continue the shared delusion it was the right leaning governments ?? and we are now truly in the land of turkeys voting for christmas and a sad upshot of history or even the most basic lessons in how..what and when not being taught in schools anymore and rule of thumb should be applied if it's in the sun/daily mail it is 90% bollocks/lie
Purely for my own research purposes, can you give me a list of some of these "cherished rights" please?
Welfare state
NHS
Neither of these are "rights", they're services.
Having access to basic level of living is not a 'service
Yes they are. They are services that provide access to a basic level of living. As an example, a basic human right in the UK is "Freedom of thought, belief and religion". Something the labour party pissed all over which is why they were taken before the ECHR and found culpable."When did the NHS begin? | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
No Boris fans, Tories, Brexit voters ever say anything like:
"Remoaners should fuck off out of the country"
"Remoaners should be hung"
"Remoaners should be shot"
"Remoaners should be spat on"
"Remoaners have mental health problems".
Etc etc.
To suggest that insults only come from one side, is ridiculous. Try posting any form of political dissent on here and see the abuse you get directly, and directly to your inbox.
I've not seen anyone suggest any of the above can you post the examples
It happens often. Some of these are more extreme examples, all from this forum. But the "remoaners have mental health problems" is near a daily insult. And for a while so was the "remoaners should fuck off out of the country".
I delete the PMs, and respond to the hate that I get on here directly. I don't know how you want me to post examples.
These forms have a strong Leaver/Tory demographic, and a small number of people who don't trust the government, and don't think Brexit is a good idea.
There are dickheads on both sides of the divide. To suggest that abuse only comes from those who you believe to be "soft left" is simply silly, there's no way you haven't seen the abuse coming our way.
I'm any case, from time to time we manage to have good discussions on here, I wish we could have more of those without cheap insults either way.
I agree dickheads both sides and I truly have only seen one about fuck of out the country there’s as been plenty over the yrs about leavers been racist and traitors think it was yesterday traitors was used by the same guy who’s been ranting for yrs but most think he’s just a dock head so no one really cares tbf lol it does need to stop now tho
We probably all see the insults directed at ourselves more than we see those directed at others.
We were having a good discussion this morning about the election before the insults started flying in, being called "deluded" for having an opinion. It's not the worst insult, but it just makes the conversation pointless.
I like talking here with people who have different opinions to my friends.
"This is not me having a dig So you only make friends with people that share your opinions or just so happens you all have the same opinion? I have 3/4 good friends, 2 of them i have known since middle school (year7) We debate stuff like this nearly every night on Discord and we all have different opinons on alot of subjects, be it brexit or other issues I think thats alot more healthy than anything that happens on this forum tbh | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
No Boris fans, Tories, Brexit voters ever say anything like:
"Remoaners should fuck off out of the country"
"Remoaners should be hung"
"Remoaners should be shot"
"Remoaners should be spat on"
"Remoaners have mental health problems".
Etc etc.
To suggest that insults only come from one side, is ridiculous. Try posting any form of political dissent on here and see the abuse you get directly, and directly to your inbox. "Loony Lefties & Racist Righties Im a Loony Leftie & retaliate when Called upon too . Good comment well made by you | |||
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" Never ever ceases to amaze me that 99% of our most cherished rights came from so called left/liberal leaning governments and yet the huddled masses still continue the shared delusion it was the right leaning governments ?? and we are now truly in the land of turkeys voting for christmas and a sad upshot of history or even the most basic lessons in how..what and when not being taught in schools anymore and rule of thumb should be applied if it's in the sun/daily mail it is 90% bollocks/lie
Purely for my own research purposes, can you give me a list of some of these "cherished rights" please?
Welfare state
NHS
Neither of these are "rights", they're services.
Having access to basic level of living is not a 'service
Yes they are. They are services that provide access to a basic level of living. As an example, a basic human right in the UK is "Freedom of thought, belief and religion". Something the labour party pissed all over which is why they were taken before the ECHR and found culpable.
When did the NHS begin?
"When A LABOUR government was in Power WAHEYYYY WE WIN Hands down . I bet there was no £ billion quid contracts handed out to friends & family of the party | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. You make a fare point. Its really hard these days to have a debate with descending into name calling... In these fora at least if you're not on the left you're a cheat / not trustworthy / fascist / selfish... We actually see it on profiles here and elsewhere 'No fucking tories' And its very rare to have it the other way round, Tinder is the same I have found Perhaps Torys are more tolerant than people thought.
It is very noticeable that the hate comes generally from the left of the political spectrum, get few on the far right that exhibit extreme views but it seems a lot on the soft left are full of anger, heard a labour frontbench chap on the radio who admitted the tories were optimistic against the negative attitude of his party
Of course it does
The far right have a long of proud tradition of peace and tolerance
The far right is a tiny number of people, yes they arent tolerant, the difference is even the soft left are intolerant, the proof is the name calling of Boris/tories/ brexit voters by those who disagree with them
No Boris fans, Tories, Brexit voters ever say anything like:
"Remoaners should fuck off out of the country"
"Remoaners should be hung"
"Remoaners should be shot"
"Remoaners should be spat on"
"Remoaners have mental health problems".
Etc etc.
To suggest that insults only come from one side, is ridiculous. Try posting any form of political dissent on here and see the abuse you get directly, and directly to your inbox.
I've not seen anyone suggest any of the above can you post the examples
It happens often. Some of these are more extreme examples, all from this forum. But the "remoaners have mental health problems" is near a daily insult. And for a while so was the "remoaners should fuck off out of the country".
I delete the PMs, and respond to the hate that I get on here directly. I don't know how you want me to post examples.
These forms have a strong Leaver/Tory demographic, and a small number of people who don't trust the government, and don't think Brexit is a good idea.
There are dickheads on both sides of the divide. To suggest that abuse only comes from those who you believe to be "soft left" is simply silly, there's no way you haven't seen the abuse coming our way.
I'm any case, from time to time we manage to have good discussions on here, I wish we could have more of those without cheap insults either way.
I agree dickheads both sides and I truly have only seen one about fuck of out the country there’s as been plenty over the yrs about leavers been racist and traitors think it was yesterday traitors was used by the same guy who’s been ranting for yrs but most think he’s just a dock head so no one really cares tbf lol it does need to stop now tho
We probably all see the insults directed at ourselves more than we see those directed at others.
We were having a good discussion this morning about the election before the insults started flying in, being called "deluded" for having an opinion. It's not the worst insult, but it just makes the conversation pointless.
I like talking here with people who have different opinions to my friends.
This is not me having a dig
So you only make friends with people that share your opinions or just so happens you all have the same opinion?
I have 3/4 good friends, 2 of them i have known since middle school (year7)
We debate stuff like this nearly every night on Discord and we all have different opinons on alot of subjects, be it brexit or other issues
I think thats alot more healthy than anything that happens on this forum tbh"Nope. I make friends with anyone nice. The industry I work in, is multicultural, and international. My oldest friends and my friends from other activities in life, of course all have different opinions and view points. But there are few right leaning people. This is not by design, but more a symptom of circumstance. I'm sure that by and large, fab is a cross section of people, many of whom we would not come across in our daily lives. | |||
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" And how is that tory report into Islamaphobia coming along?" About the same pace of the one into anti-Semitism and racism in the Labour Party. | |||
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" And how is that tory report into Islamaphobia coming along? About the same pace of the one into anti-Semitism and racism in the Labour Party." Oh so it's been published and acted upon? Goodness I must have missed it Do you habe a link? | |||
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"Stormzy had it right. Stormzy is a dick..lol He is, but I can't fault his opinion on Boris. When have we previously called a PM by their first name? I find it disturbing to be honest because it suggests that he is a harmless bumbling baffoon as opposed to a back stabbing lying up to no good Johnson Tony Blair Gordon Brown Theresa may to name a few ... None of them were remotely known by their Christian names. That’s not the experience I’ve had I’ve only ever known them to be addressed by there full names as in PM so and so. A quick google may solve that It was never Tony or Theresa. It was Tony Blair, or Blair. Calling him Boris is stupid." It doesn't matter how you dress up a turd, it's still a turd. | |||
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"A painful day. I understand the frustration and the upset. But consider tomorrow a new day. Pick yourselves up, dust yourselves down and make a new start. Socialism is a dead horse there come a time when you have to stop flogging it. The country needs a credible opposition party. Don't think what the party can do for you. Think instead what you can do for the party. (JFK) Stylized by me. You never know. One day a whole bunch of people may even vote for you." I'll take that as a no. | |||
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"A painful day. I understand the frustration and the upset. But consider tomorrow a new day. Pick yourselves up, dust yourselves down and make a new start. Socialism is a dead horse there come a time when you have to stop flogging it. The country needs a credible opposition party. Don't think what the party can do for you. Think instead what you can do for the party. (JFK) Stylized by me. You never know. One day a whole bunch of people may even vote for you. I'll take that as a no." As that doesn't refer to your question - read below. | |||
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" And how is that tory report into Islamaphobia coming along? About the same pace of the one into anti-Semitism and racism in the Labour Party. Oh so it's been published and acted upon? Goodness I must have missed it Do you habe a link?
The Conservatives’ inquiry into racism within the party was completed as long as two months ago, The Independent can reveal – but Tory leaders are still yet to say when it will be released.
The party acknowledged that it had received the review., set up by Boris Johnson as he apologised for Islamophobia, but would say only that it would be published “in due course”.
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"Tell me anything in government that takes less than 6 months? Also Boris has apologized for racism in the party in the Andrew Neil interview 27 Nov 2019: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to apologize — The Labour leader declined to apologize four times to the Jewish community as he was questioned on the BBC. How did that sit with you?" I'm fairly certain the labour one didnt take 6 months to publish..what have they got to hide? I didnt even know Alex had appeared on andrew neill..I'm assuming you dont mean the time he said he would go on and then shit out? What was he being asked to apologise for? Obvs this is all very relevant in 2021. | |||
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"I see Corbyn is being brought up by both sides of the house tonight. Come on let’s not flog a dead horse. He got beaten by Boris. He’s politically dead a failed experiment. Labour need to try and look to the future if they want to survive as something even resembling competitive. Now where can they find the balance they so sorely need before they get confined to the Corbyn bin. " Only if that applies to the Brexit bin too lol | |||
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"I see Corbyn is being brought up by both sides of the house tonight. Come on let’s not flog a dead horse. He got beaten by Boris. He’s politically dead a failed experiment. Labour need to try and look to the future if they want to survive as something even resembling competitive. Now where can they find the balance they so sorely need before they get confined to the Corbyn bin. " I looked on my local council website. It shows the voter turn out. It's significantly lower by % in the more working class areas. (Mostly mid 30%). And higher in the more affluent areas (mostly over 50%). I don't know about other parts of the country, but it seems here that a lot of the working class didn't vote. | |||
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"anti-Semitism - he was asked to apologise 4 times for anti-Semitism in the Labour Party he refused to apologise 4 times. If the Conservatives don't publish the report on racism within 6 months I, for one, will call them out on it quite happily. You can defer, but the question is still there - 'how did/does that sit with you'?. If anti-Semitism isn't relevant in any party in 2021 what exactly is relevant? (sorry typos)" Can I just clarify? If someone makes a racist comment in your party, the leader should apologise? | |||
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"anti-Semitism - he was asked to apologise 4 times for anti-Semitism in the Labour Party he refused to apologise 4 times. If the Conservatives don't publish the report on racism within 6 months I, for one, will call them out on it quite happily. You can defer, but the question is still there - 'how did/does that sit with you'?. If anti-Semitism isn't relevant in any party in 2021 what exactly is relevant? (sorry typos) Can I just clarify? If someone makes a racist comment in your party, the leader should apologise?" Well according to blm every white person should apologise for the skave trade and you support blm, once again you dodge questions and reply with another one, you have been seen through just like labour. | |||
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"anti-Semitism - he was asked to apologise 4 times for anti-Semitism in the Labour Party he refused to apologise 4 times. If the Conservatives don't publish the report on racism within 6 months I, for one, will call them out on it quite happily. You can defer, but the question is still there - 'how did/does that sit with you'?. If anti-Semitism isn't relevant in any party in 2021 what exactly is relevant? (sorry typos) Can I just clarify? If someone makes a racist comment in your party, the leader should apologise?" There you go defer defer defer. | |||
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"anti-Semitism - he was asked to apologise 4 times for anti-Semitism in the Labour Party he refused to apologise 4 times. If the Conservatives don't publish the report on racism within 6 months I, for one, will call them out on it quite happily. You can defer, but the question is still there - 'how did/does that sit with you'?. If anti-Semitism isn't relevant in any party in 2021 what exactly is relevant? (sorry typos) Can I just clarify? If someone makes a racist comment in your party, the leader should apologise? There you go defer defer defer. " It's a simple question Yes or no? | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. So you vote for a party based on nothing to do with their policies? That seems logical " No, I will vote for a party that puts its point across calmly and debate it and defend it in a civilised manner. I have little to no time for Jacob Rees-mogg as I find his policies to be contemptible and outdated. However, he allows reasoned debate with his opponents, even when they are shouting fascist in his face. Whereas it seems the left of centre has no problem with sneering at prospective voters. I don’t argue that some in the right do it, but it is predominately the left. The only impact it has on me is that it gets my back up and consequently makes me less receptive to their views. I have voted labour before and would do it again if I felt their policies were the best way forward. At the moment, they don’t and the attitude I get makes it likely they won’t. | |||
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"There you go yet again - defer defer defer." So you can bring up corbyn(not leader for n 2 years) and ask questions about him but anything related to the cuttent racist buffoon is off the table. Standard | |||
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"There you go yet again - defer defer defer. So you can bring up corbyn(not leader for n 2 years) and ask questions about him but anything related to the cuttent racist buffoon is off the table. Standard " Wasn't JC leader of the Labour party until April 2020? By my math that's not 2 years! | |||
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"There you go yet again - defer defer defer. So you can bring up corbyn(not leader for n 2 years) and ask questions about him but anything related to the cuttent racist buffoon is off the table. Standard Wasn't JC leader of the Labour party until April 2020? By my math that's not 2 years!" You are right. My entire argument has been blown out of the water as it's been 1 year and not 2(despite the fact that he said he was standing down in 2019) | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. So you vote for a party based on nothing to do with their policies? That seems logical No, I will vote for a party that puts its point across calmly and debate it and defend it in a civilised manner. I have little to no time for Jacob Rees-mogg as I find his policies to be contemptible and outdated. However, he allows reasoned debate with his opponents, even when they are shouting fascist in his face. Whereas it seems the left of centre has no problem with sneering at prospective voters. I don’t argue that some in the right do it, but it is predominately the left. The only impact it has on me is that it gets my back up and consequently makes me less receptive to their views. I have voted labour before and would do it again if I felt their policies were the best way forward. At the moment, they don’t and the attitude I get makes it likely they won’t." Jacob Rees Mogg is famous for Filibustering in order to shut down any debate. I wouldn't suggest that he has any morals (judging by the way he votes and the things he says), and I wouldn't suggest he has any respect for reasoned debate. | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. So you vote for a party based on nothing to do with their policies? That seems logical No, I will vote for a party that puts its point across calmly and debate it and defend it in a civilised manner. I have little to no time for Jacob Rees-mogg as I find his policies to be contemptible and outdated. However, he allows reasoned debate with his opponents, even when they are shouting fascist in his face. Whereas it seems the left of centre has no problem with sneering at prospective voters. I don’t argue that some in the right do it, but it is predominately the left. The only impact it has on me is that it gets my back up and consequently makes me less receptive to their views. I have voted labour before and would do it again if I felt their policies were the best way forward. At the moment, they don’t and the attitude I get makes it likely they won’t. What' mps shouted facist on Reece mogg face? I recall the buffoon calling Corbyn a chicken a couple of years ago The kind of reasoned debate your average 5 year was being used in parliament. Was that reasoned debate?haha you never call names do ya Lionel lol" This may come as a shock to you. I am not the current prime minister of the counyty. | |||
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" And how is that tory report into Islamaphobia coming along? About the same pace of the one into anti-Semitism and racism in the Labour Party. Oh so it's been published and acted upon? Goodness I must have missed it Do you habe a link?
The Conservatives’ inquiry into racism within the party was completed as long as two months ago, The Independent can reveal – but Tory leaders are still yet to say when it will be released.
The party acknowledged that it had received the review., set up by Boris Johnson as he apologised for Islamophobia, but would say only that it would be published “in due course”.
Press date: 01 April 2021 "Yes but isnt there a further investigation looking into Everything the liar , oops i mean Bodge has said was fine Priti , Racism , bullying etc etc . Shall we bring up the windrush scandal ? | |||
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"Not sure if it will be SKS or Cummings who will be most upset today. On another thread I pondered whether with brexit and Corbyn out of the equation what will be the excuse this time for Labour. I mentioned the old favourite the media but totally missed the possibility it can be blamed on the voters I can't see where anyone has blamed the voters. However I think there is a discussion to be had ,if you live in a place that has been utterly ravaged by austerity,why then would you think its a good idea to vote them in again?" So why do they vote conservative in these places you say are ravaged by austerity. Could it be their views differ to yours | |||
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"Not sure if it will be SKS or Cummings who will be most upset today. On another thread I pondered whether with brexit and Corbyn out of the equation what will be the excuse this time for Labour. I mentioned the old favourite the media but totally missed the possibility it can be blamed on the voters I can't see where anyone has blamed the voters. However I think there is a discussion to be had ,if you live in a place that has been utterly ravaged by austerity,why then would you think its a good idea to vote them in again? So why do they vote conservative in these places you say are ravaged by austerity. Could it be their views differ to yours" That's why I posed it as a question? Unless labour can find out why so many people have suffered so badly,yet continue to maintain the status quo,they will never solve it. | |||
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"A lot of the reason I tend to vote for almost anyone but labour is the sneering attitude of its supporters, such as those displayed above - turkeys voting for xmas and so on, accusing of those who took their vote elsewhere of being conned or of idiocy. They never stop to ask just why they lose elections so often. So you vote for a party based on nothing to do with their policies? That seems logical No, I will vote for a party that puts its point across calmly and debate it and defend it in a civilised manner. I have little to no time for Jacob Rees-mogg as I find his policies to be contemptible and outdated. However, he allows reasoned debate with his opponents, even when they are shouting fascist in his face. Whereas it seems the left of centre has no problem with sneering at prospective voters. I don’t argue that some in the right do it, but it is predominately the left. The only impact it has on me is that it gets my back up and consequently makes me less receptive to their views. I have voted labour before and would do it again if I felt their policies were the best way forward. At the moment, they don’t and the attitude I get makes it likely they won’t. What' mps shouted facist on Reece mogg face? I recall the buffoon calling Corbyn a chicken a couple of years ago The kind of reasoned debate your average 5 year was being used in parliament. Was that reasoned debate? I didn’t say it was MP’s. The specific example I am thinking of is when he was speaking at a university or similar, and it was gatecrashes by a group of protestors shouting “no platform for facists”. Security tried to remove them and mogg stopped his speech to speak to them. Despite them screaming in his face, he listened to their point of view and defended their right to protest and free speech. Like i said, I find mogg’s views and beliefs to be distasteful at best, but his response was polite, reasonable and principled, the total opposite of the treatment he was getting." How do you even know they were labour supporters.? | |||
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" Never ever ceases to amaze me that 99% of our most cherished rights came from so called left/liberal leaning governments and yet the huddled masses still continue the shared delusion it was the right leaning governments ?? and we are now truly in the land of turkeys voting for christmas and a sad upshot of history or even the most basic lessons in how..what and when not being taught in schools anymore and rule of thumb should be applied if it's in the sun/daily mail it is 90% bollocks/lie
Purely for my own research purposes, can you give me a list of some of these "cherished rights" please?
Welfare state
NHS
Neither of these are "rights", they're services.
Having access to basic level of living is not a 'service
Yes they are. They are services that provide access to a basic level of living. As an example, a basic human right in the UK is "Freedom of thought, belief and religion". Something the labour party pissed all over which is why they were taken before the ECHR and found culpable.
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And how is that tory report into Islamaphobia coming along?"Are you seriously equating an in-house report to an entire case brought before the European Court of Human Rights? That is just blatant Judaeophobic racism. That you don't seem to realise that makes it easy to understand why Labour have such a deeply ingrained problem. | |||
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" Never ever ceases to amaze me that 99% of our most cherished rights came from so called left/liberal leaning governments and yet the huddled masses still continue the shared delusion it was the right leaning governments ?? and we are now truly in the land of turkeys voting for christmas and a sad upshot of history or even the most basic lessons in how..what and when not being taught in schools anymore and rule of thumb should be applied if it's in the sun/daily mail it is 90% bollocks/lie
Purely for my own research purposes, can you give me a list of some of these "cherished rights" please?
Welfare state
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Neither of these are "rights", they're services.
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Yes they are. They are services that provide access to a basic level of living. As an example, a basic human right in the UK is "Freedom of thought, belief and religion". Something the labour party pissed all over which is why they were taken before the ECHR and found culpable.
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Are you seriously equating an in-house report to an entire case brought before the European Court of Human Rights? That is just blatant Judaeophobic racism. That you don't seem to realise that makes it easy to understand why Labour have such a deeply ingrained problem. "It was in house beciade they wouldnt let an outside body do it Once again you are accusing me of racism when I have done no such thing. Would you like to apologise? | |||
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" Never ever ceases to amaze me that 99% of our most cherished rights came from so called left/liberal leaning governments and yet the huddled masses still continue the shared delusion it was the right leaning governments ?? and we are now truly in the land of turkeys voting for christmas and a sad upshot of history or even the most basic lessons in how..what and when not being taught in schools anymore and rule of thumb should be applied if it's in the sun/daily mail it is 90% bollocks/lie
Purely for my own research purposes, can you give me a list of some of these "cherished rights" please?
Welfare state
NHS
Neither of these are "rights", they're services.
Having access to basic level of living is not a 'service
Yes they are. They are services that provide access to a basic level of living. As an example, a basic human right in the UK is "Freedom of thought, belief and religion". Something the labour party pissed all over which is why they were taken before the ECHR and found culpable.
Right
And how is that tory report into Islamaphobia coming along?
Are you seriously equating an in-house report to an entire case brought before the European Court of Human Rights? That is just blatant Judaeophobic racism. That you don't seem to realise that makes it easy to understand why Labour have such a deeply ingrained problem.
It was in house beciade they wouldnt let an outside body do it
Once again you are accusing me of racism when I have done no such thing.
Would you like to apologise?"I never, ever apologise for calling out racism. If you do not understand why your post was racist there really is no hope for you. You are a Judaeophobe. | |||
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"Not sure if it will be SKS or Cummings who will be most upset today. On another thread I pondered whether with brexit and Corbyn out of the equation what will be the excuse this time for Labour. I mentioned the old favourite the media but totally missed the possibility it can be blamed on the voters I can't see where anyone has blamed the voters. However I think there is a discussion to be had ,if you live in a place that has been utterly ravaged by austerity,why then would you think its a good idea to vote them in again? So why do they vote conservative in these places you say are ravaged by austerity. Could it be their views differ to yours That's why I posed it as a question? Unless labour can find out why so many people have suffered so badly,yet continue to maintain the status quo,they will never solve it. They certainly need to find out why people have turned to the conservatives and actually listen to them rather than tell them why they turned. Time for Labour to look at themselves too for the reasons and not try to shift the blame Why do working class people vote for Alex?" Not all do but more and more seem to. Maybe they agree with the policies and general direction. Maybe they don't agree with Labour anymore and don't like the lack of policies. Maybe a combination of both. The days when working class only voted Labour are long gone. The conservatives have done a better job of appealing to them. They are not stupid or poorly educated just because they don't choose Labour so are there to be won back | |||
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