FabSwingers.com forum: Labour 11 points behind the Conservatives

By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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"What's gone wrong for Sir Keir Starmer's party since December?

The opposition sees its lead in the polls evaporate in a few months and now lags consistently behind the Tories, data indicates."

He may as well be on the Conservatives side of the Government.

Oh wait . . . he is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's gone wrong for Sir Keir Starmer's party since December?

The opposition sees its lead in the polls evaporate in a few months and now lags consistently behind the Tories, data indicates."

He may as well be on the Conservatives side of the Government.

Oh wait . . . he is."

He has really struggled to make his market but polls don’t mean shit 3 years from a GE .

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Just a couple of weeks until the locals.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Lets see anyone know what labour stand for?

When they run their whole campaign on sleaze of the opposition the average punter know they have nothing and have been outdone on just about everything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lets see anyone know what labour stand for?

When they run their whole campaign on sleaze of the opposition the average punter know they have nothing and have been outdone on just about everything.

Like I said, he has been disappointing, but polls are irrelevant 3 years away from a GE. I remember when thatcher was polling way behind Labour and she easily won the election, things change and they change quickly

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Just a couple of weeks until the locals. "
A few days its the 6th

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Just a couple of weeks until the locals. A few days its the 6th"

yup lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a couple of weeks until the locals. A few days its the 6th"

Labour are in for a very tough night, I think they will struggle, it has no bearing on the next GE though .

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Labour had such a chance to capitalise and they seem to have instead taken lessons in calamity.

I see Labour as we know it one more Tory Cucking away from a split.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Good job that we are talking about the locals then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labour had such a chance to capitalise and they seem to have instead taken lessons in calamity.

I see Labour as we know it one more Tory Cucking away from a split. "

It’s a bit of a mess, not sure what the answer is tbh, I think kier needs to be given more time.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Good job that we are talking about the locals then.

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By *isandhers691127Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

No, you were just slagging Labour off. Trying to cover up for major sleaze eh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good job that we are talking about the locals then.

Which polls are you reading ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/01/tory-poll-lead-slashed-as-key-elections-loom-across-britain

These suggest that the lead has been slashed? Like I said, polls don’t mean shit

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Imagine looking at the events of the last 12 months and saying to yourself.

Well we have an horrific death rate,the pandemic was handled appallingly,Brexit has been a bit of a fuck up,there have been countless scandals,trouble in northern Ireland and I've lost count of the amount of times he has lied..but overall he is doing a good job.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"No, you were just slagging Labour off. Trying to cover up for major sleaze eh. "

Scandalous accusation.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Labour had such a chance to capitalise and they seem to have instead taken lessons in calamity.

I see Labour as we know it one more Tory Cucking away from a split.

It’s a bit of a mess, not sure what the answer is tbh, I think kier needs to be given more time. "

I don’t he’s failed to capitalise when things are this bad. There will be a Tory bounce coming post lockdown and he’s not the person to steer Labour through that.

He’s a Labour John Major. Safe and unspectacular. But even less people warm to him.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Good job that we are talking about the locals then.

Which polls are you reading ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/01/tory-poll-lead-slashed-as-key-elections-loom-across-britain

These suggest that the lead has been slashed? Like I said, polls don’t mean shit "

Britain elects had a 1% difference but funnily enough that didnt get a mention.

Locals tend to be a protest vote anyway.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Good job that we are talking about the locals then.

Which polls are you reading ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/01/tory-poll-lead-slashed-as-key-elections-loom-across-britain

These suggest that the lead has been slashed? Like I said, polls don’t mean shit "

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-whats-gone-wrong-for-sir-keir-starmers-party-since-december-12291340

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Labour had such a chance to capitalise and they seem to have instead taken lessons in calamity.

I see Labour as we know it one more Tory Cucking away from a split.

It’s a bit of a mess, not sure what the answer is tbh, I think kier needs to be given more time.

I don’t he’s failed to capitalise when things are this bad. There will be a Tory bounce coming post lockdown and he’s not the person to steer Labour through that.

He’s a Labour John Major. Safe and unspectacular. But even less people warm to him. "

Apart from his brief successes at pmqs he has been awful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good job that we are talking about the locals then.

Which polls are you reading ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/01/tory-poll-lead-slashed-as-key-elections-loom-across-britain

These suggest that the lead has been slashed? Like I said, polls don’t mean shit

Britain elects had a 1% difference but funnily enough that didnt get a mention.

Locals tend to be a protest vote anyway."

If locals are a protest vote should we be seeing Labour wipe the floor next week?

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Good job that we are talking about the locals then.

Which polls are you reading ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/01/tory-poll-lead-slashed-as-key-elections-loom-across-britain

These suggest that the lead has been slashed? Like I said, polls don’t mean shit

Britain elects had a 1% difference but funnily enough that didnt get a mention.

Locals tend to be a protest vote anyway."

A protest vote against Labour? Why what have they done that voters would protest against them?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Good job that we are talking about the locals then.

Which polls are you reading ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/01/tory-poll-lead-slashed-as-key-elections-loom-across-britain

These suggest that the lead has been slashed? Like I said, polls don’t mean shit

Britain elects had a 1% difference but funnily enough that didnt get a mention.

Locals tend to be a protest vote anyway.

If locals are a protest vote should we be seeing Labour wipe the floor next week? "

I suspect the greens and maybe even the liberals will make gains but who knows?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good job that we are talking about the locals then.

Which polls are you reading ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/01/tory-poll-lead-slashed-as-key-elections-loom-across-britain

These suggest that the lead has been slashed? Like I said, polls don’t mean shit

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-whats-gone-wrong-for-sir-keir-starmers-party-since-december-12291340"

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/01/tory-poll-lead-slashed-as-key-elections-loom-across-britain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labour had such a chance to capitalise and they seem to have instead taken lessons in calamity.

I see Labour as we know it one more Tory Cucking away from a split.

It’s a bit of a mess, not sure what the answer is tbh, I think kier needs to be given more time.

I don’t he’s failed to capitalise when things are this bad. There will be a Tory bounce coming post lockdown and he’s not the person to steer Labour through that.

He’s a Labour John Major. Safe and unspectacular. But even less people warm to him. "

True, he has struggled to give Labour an identity, if things don’t improve this year I think he will go,

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Yougov has:

"In fact, the biggest change in favourability ratings has come for Keir Starmer, who has dropped from -7 in the first week of April to -19 now.

So rather than Johnson taking a ratings hit, it appears that the public are becoming less favourable toward the Leader of the Opposition."

Following polls dated 01 May.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Dominic Cummings – at the centre of so much of the story last week – has a net favourability of -75. "

Say it ain't so lol.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

This he needs to bare some teeth. He needs to show more passion and stop being a respectful barrister . He’s got the skill to tie Boris in knots but just pats at him. I wish he’d used more forceful language and maybe a machete just resting by his side!!

Firework up his arse would be good too!!

He’s too bland and careful.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

""Dominic Cummings – at the centre of so much of the story last week – has a net favourability of -75. "

Say it ain't so lol."

Hell was that a poll of Cabinet Ministers?? -75!!!!!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'm not sure there is a person out there who could have made a difference..obviously anyone to the left of nigel faradge would have been savaged as a stalinist.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Yougov has:

"In fact, the biggest change in favourability ratings has come for Keir Starmer, who has dropped from -7 in the first week of April to -19 now.

So rather than Johnson taking a ratings hit, it appears that the public are becoming less favourable toward the Leader of the Opposition."

Following polls dated 01 May."

SKS will be gone by the end of the year

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

""Dominic Cummings – at the centre of so much of the story last week – has a net favourability of -75. "

Say it ain't so lol.

Hell was that a poll of Cabinet Ministers?? -75!!!!!"

Hardly a surprise considering he has shown the buffoon to show his true colours.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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""Dominic Cummings – at the centre of so much of the story last week – has a net favourability of -75. "

Say it ain't so lol.

Hell was that a poll of Cabinet Ministers?? -75!!!!!

Hardly a surprise considering he has shown the buffoon to show his true colours."

So. Why would 'they' (the members of the public polled) Give a cumulative '-75' to Cummings for showing Boris up?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

""Dominic Cummings – at the centre of so much of the story last week – has a net favourability of -75. "

Say it ain't so lol.

Hell was that a poll of Cabinet Ministers?? -75!!!!!

Hardly a surprise considering he has shown the buffoon to show his true colours.

So. Why would 'they' (the members of the public polled) Give a cumulative '-75' to Cummings for showing Boris up?

Presumably because they are Tories?

And I'm not even too sure he was that popular beforehand..well before the gmnt tried to tie themselves in knots to defend him

Anyway the damage has been done and we have still got his speech in front of ministers to look forward too.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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""Dominic Cummings – at the centre of so much of the story last week – has a net favourability of -75. "

Say it ain't so lol.

Hell was that a poll of Cabinet Ministers?? -75!!!!!

Hardly a surprise considering he has shown the buffoon to show his true colours.

So. Why would 'they' (the members of the public polled) Give a cumulative '-75' to Cummings for showing Boris up?

Presumably because they are Tories?

And I'm not even too sure he was that popular beforehand..well before the gmnt tried to tie themselves in knots to defend him

Anyway the damage has been done and we have still got his speech in front of ministers to look forward too."

Yougov poll across the political spectrum. That would just make a mockery of polling otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yougov has:

"In fact, the biggest change in favourability ratings has come for Keir Starmer, who has dropped from -7 in the first week of April to -19 now.

So rather than Johnson taking a ratings hit, it appears that the public are becoming less favourable toward the Leader of the Opposition."

Following polls dated 01 May.

SKS will be gone by the end of the year "

We can hope.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time! "

Yes I agree Hartlepool is a must win for Labour. If they hold that and pick up some councils I think he will survive until the GE. If they can't make big gains given what's gone on then it's worrying. Not sure what the excuse will be if they do have a bad night though could be blamed on the media as a traditional fall back

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By *ick270Man
over a year ago

Here

Labour is a protest party full of self serving MP's now ,just go along the front bench, not one stands out and the public know it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labour is a protest party full of self serving MP's now ,just go along the front bench, not one stands out and the public know it. "

Are you suggesting they're trying to appeal to Tory voters by emulating them?

If so, I agree.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Surprised that no-one has yet commented that YouGov is a Conservative owned polling organisation. The Daily Mail Survation Poll, polled somewhat differently (1point difference).

Notwithstanding, it remains surprising that there are still vast swathes of the population who care nothing about truthfulness and integrity in politics as long as their guy is in the big chair.

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By *eparrain1Man
over a year ago

Stone

"No, you were just slagging Labour off. Trying to cover up for major sleaze eh. "

I agree totally

Idid not see thesource of the poll.. bizarre

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By *ick270Man
over a year ago

Here

"Labour is a protest party full of self serving MP's now ,just go along the front bench, not one stands out and the public know it.

Are you suggesting they're trying to appeal to Tory voters by emulating them?

If so, I agree."
Far from it there a waste of space like the Lib dems and greens no substance.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Labour is a protest party full of self serving MP's now ,just go along the front bench, not one stands out and the public know it. "

Unlike the gmnt presumably?

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Surprised that no-one has yet commented that YouGov is a Conservative owned polling organisation. The Daily Mail Survation Poll, polled somewhat differently (1point difference).

Notwithstanding, it remains surprising that there are still vast swathes of the population who care nothing about truthfulness and integrity in politics as long as their guy is in the big chair."

YouGov was founded in the UK in May 2000 by Stephan Shakespeare and future Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi. In 2001 they engaged BBC political analyst Peter Kellner, who became chairman, and then from 2007 to 2016, President.[3][4]

*******In April 2005, YouGov became a public company listed on the Alternative Investment Market of the London Stock Exchange.[5] Major shareholders of the company are BlackRock and Standard Life Aberdeen.********

Stephan Shakespeare has been YouGov's Chief Executive Officer since 2010. Roger Parry has been YouGov's Chairman since 2007.[8] Since Peter Kellner's retirement, its methodology has been overseen by Stanford University professor Doug Rivers.[4]

YouGov is a member of the British Polling Council.

******Stephan Adrian Shakespeare is the German-British co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of the British Internet-based market research and opinion polls company YouGov. Wikipedia******

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labour is a protest party full of self serving MP's now ,just go along the front bench, not one stands out and the public know it.

Are you suggesting they're trying to appeal to Tory voters by emulating them?

If so, I agree.Far from it there a waste of space like the Lib dems and greens no substance."

So Labour, Lib Dems and greens are self serving. And the Tories are models of integrity?

Amazing.

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By *ick270Man
over a year ago

Here

"Labour is a protest party full of self serving MP's now ,just go along the front bench, not one stands out and the public know it.

Unlike the gmnt presumably?"
Not sure someone from Liverpool should be putting backing Labour in public after what there Labour council has done, let alone Enfield Council's late accounts set to cost £100,000

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By *ick270Man
over a year ago

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Surprised that no-one has yet commented that YouGov is a Conservative owned polling organisation. The Daily Mail Survation Poll, polled somewhat differently (1point difference).

YouGov was founded in the UK in May 2000 by Stephan Shakespeare and future Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi. ***** UK— YouGov founder Nadhim Zahawi is to step down as chief executive of the online research agency in order to stand as an MP in the forthcoming general election.*****

In 2001 they engaged BBC political analyst Peter Kellner, who became chairman, and then from 2007 to 2016, President.

YouGov is a member of the British Polling Council.

******Stephan Adrian Shakespeare is the German-British co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of the British Internet-based market research and opinion polls company YouGov. Wikipedia******

So Not even close to being Conservative owned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labour is a protest party full of self serving MP's now ,just go along the front bench, not one stands out and the public know it.

Unlike the gmnt presumably?Not sure someone from Liverpool should be putting backing Labour in public after what there Labour council has done, let alone Enfield Council's late accounts set to cost £100,000"

That's approx 1/20,000th what the Tories handed to their mates and neighbours for dodgy PPE.

So I would suggest this isn't anywhere near the scale that the Tories are self service.

While I agree that the Labour front bench are untrustworthy. Suggesting they're worse than the current government is simply ridiculous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labour is a protest party full of self serving MP's now ,just go along the front bench, not one stands out and the public know it.

That's approx 1/20,000th what the Tories handed to their mates and neighbours for dodgy PPE.

So I would suggest this isn't anywhere near the scale that the Tories are self service.

While I agree that the Labour front bench are untrustworthy. Suggesting they're worse than the current government is simply ridiculous."

*Self serving.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Labour is a protest party full of self serving MP's now ,just go along the front bench, not one stands out and the public know it.

The people here are facing consequences

Can the same be said of alex and his mates?

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By *isandhers691127Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Surprised that no-one has yet commented that YouGov is a Conservative owned polling organisation. The Daily Mail Survation Poll, polled somewhat differently (1point difference).

In 2001 they engaged BBC political analyst Peter Kellner, who became chairman, and then from 2007 to 2016, President.

YouGov is a member of the British Polling Council.

******Stephan Adrian Shakespeare is the German-British co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of the British Internet-based market research and opinion polls company YouGov. Wikipedia******

So Not even close to being Conservative owned."

Would that be the same Nadhim Zahawi that claimed taxpayers money to heat his stables! Glad us taxpayers pay to keep tories horses nice and snug.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Surprised that no-one has yet commented that YouGov is a Conservative owned polling organisation. The Daily Mail Survation Poll, polled somewhat differently (1point difference).

In 2001 they engaged BBC political analyst Peter Kellner, who became chairman, and then from 2007 to 2016, President.

YouGov is a member of the British Polling Council.

******Stephan Adrian Shakespeare is the German-British co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of the British Internet-based market research and opinion polls company YouGov. Wikipedia******

So Not even close to being Conservative owned.

Would that be the same Nadhim Zahawi that claimed taxpayers money to heat his stables! Glad us taxpayers pay to keep tories horses nice and snug. "

Just like many Labour MP's yes.

But still, YOUGOV isn't owned by the conservatives.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Has anyone here volunteered to pay for Boris’ nanny? Just asking as he’s a bit desperate apparently!!

What a complete utter embarrassing lowlife of a person . He earns a decent living and still wants others to pay his way. Just an entitled spoilt twat!!

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By *ockdownerMan
over a year ago

Preston

"Surprised that no-one has yet commented that YouGov is a Conservative owned polling organisation. The Daily Mail Survation Poll, polled somewhat differently (1point difference).

Notwithstanding, it remains surprising that there are still vast swathes of the population who care nothing about truthfulness and integrity in politics as long as their guy is in the big chair."

I know, it's quite depressing if you really think about it but that's how well the country has allowed it's self to be convinced that honesty and integrity is now something that should be mocked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Surprised that no-one has yet commented that YouGov is a Conservative owned polling organisation. The Daily Mail Survation Poll, polled somewhat differently (1point difference).

In 2001 they engaged BBC political analyst Peter Kellner, who became chairman, and then from 2007 to 2016, President.

YouGov is a member of the British Polling Council.

******Stephan Adrian Shakespeare is the German-British co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of the British Internet-based market research and opinion polls company YouGov. Wikipedia******

So Not even close to being Conservative owned."

Hang on. Aren't most of your posts here slagging off people for discussing data sources. Now you're doing it.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Of course that’s just your 'opinion' of the British Public after all.

But you have to admit it's just a grand sweeping statement by someone whose guy isn't in power.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Surprised that no-one has yet commented that YouGov is a Conservative owned polling organisation. The Daily Mail Survation Poll, polled somewhat differently (1point difference).

Notwithstanding, it remains surprising that there are still vast swathes of the population who care nothing about truthfulness and integrity in politics as long as their guy is in the big chair.

YouGov is a member of the British Polling Council.

******Stephan Adrian Shakespeare is the German-British co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of the British Internet-based market research and opinion polls company YouGov. Wikipedia******"

Stephen Shakespeare was a failed Conservative candidate in 1997 for MP of Colchester.

Shakespeare was appointed by the Conservative government as Chairman of the Data Strategy Board (DSB). This is an advisory body which was set up to 'maximise value of data for users across the UK'. He was also announced in 2012 by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills and Cabinet Office ministers as leader of an Independent Review of Public Sector Information. He has also been a member of the Government’s Public Sector Transparency Board and shows on the most recent board minutes from 2015.

He was former owner of the centre-right political blog, ConservativeHome, now owned for Lord Ashcroft. He was also involved in other right-wing projects and web-sites including 18 Doughty Street, an online broadcast critiquing left-leaning commentary and opinion pieces.

YouGov has inherent right wing leanings.

As I said however - that isn’t the point. The point is about the attitude of the English electorate.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Hang on. Aren't most of your posts here slagging off people for discussing data sources. Now you're doing it."

In a post with multiple entries it's better to say who your answer is directed to. ?

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Surprised that no-one has yet commented that YouGov is a Conservative owned polling organisation. The Daily Mail Survation Poll, polled somewhat differently (1point difference).

Notwithstanding, it remains surprising that there are still vast swathes of the population who care nothing about truthfulness and integrity in politics as long as their guy is in the big chair.

YouGov is a member of the British Polling Council.

******Stephan Adrian Shakespeare is the German-British co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of the British Internet-based market research and opinion polls company YouGov. Wikipedia******

Stephen Shakespeare was a failed Conservative candidate in 1997 for MP of Colchester.

YouGov has inherent right wing leanings.

As I said however - that isn’t the point. The point is about the attitude of the English electorate."

He 'Stepped down from YOUGOV to stand as a candiate for election.

Again. YOUGOV isn't owned by the Conservative Party as you said it was.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Surprised that no-one has yet commented that YouGov is a Conservative owned polling organisation. The Daily Mail Survation Poll, polled somewhat differently (1point difference).

Notwithstanding, it remains surprising that there are still vast swathes of the population who care nothing about truthfulness and integrity in politics as long as their guy is in the big chair.

YouGov is a member of the British Polling Council.

******Stephan Adrian Shakespeare is the German-British co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of the British Internet-based market research and opinion polls company YouGov. Wikipedia******

Stephen Shakespeare was a failed Conservative candidate in 1997 for MP of Colchester.

YouGov has inherent right wing leanings.

As I said however - that isn’t the point. The point is about the attitude of the English electorate.

He 'Stepped down from YOUGOV to stand as a candiate for election.

Again. YOUGOV isn't owned by the Conservative Party as you said it was."

Of course it isn’t and Johnson has “covered” the cost of the Downing Street refurb too.

What do you think might be the reason that the YouGov poll is suggesting an 11 point difference and the two others published today were 1 point differences?

Seriously, I am all ears as that is a huge difference.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Again. YOUGOV isn't owned by the Conservative Party as you said it was.

Of course it isn’t and Johnson has “covered” the cost of the Downing Street refurb too.

What do you think might be the reason that the YouGov poll is suggesting an 11 point difference and the two others published today were 1 point differences?

Seriously, I am all ears as that is a huge difference."

So. YouGov ONLY poll Tory voters - imagineering at its finest. Hahahaha. Surreal.

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By *renzMan
over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

"Labour had such a chance to capitalise and they seem to have instead taken lessons in calamity.

I see Labour as we know it one more Tory Cucking away from a split.

It’s a bit of a mess, not sure what the answer is tbh, I think kier needs to be given more time. "

Given more time. Even he can't balance on that fence for another three years. Captain hindsight.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Poll of Polls 6 points.

BMG 7 Points.

Maybe they are owned by the conservatives too.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

In all seriousness I dont know where labour go..the country has lurched to the right and previous attempts to adopt the middle ground,Miliband, were disastrous.

Starmer seems determined to root out anything remotely left of centre,despite namy if the policies making perfect sense.

I think they need to split.

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over a year ago

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"In all seriousness I dont know where labour go..the country has lurched to the right and previous attempts to adopt the middle ground,Miliband, were disastrous.

Starmer seems determined to root out anything remotely left of centre,despite namy if the policies making perfect sense.

I think they need to split."

I said this in an earlier post. Labour need to break apart and reform in order to become a tenable party. Their historical extremes of left and right just don't fit with voters any more and haven't done for a very long time.

The big question is can that be done in 2 years? I'm thinking not.

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"This he needs to bare some teeth. He needs to show more passion and stop being a respectful barrister . He’s got the skill to tie Boris in knots but just pats at him. I wish he’d used more forceful language and maybe a machete just resting by his side!!

Firework up his arse would be good too!!

He’s too bland and careful. "

Rubbish, elections are not decided by PMQs performances, that’s just for the troops.

He needs to make his own speeches, produce significant ideas, a vision and a framework. Forget this battle with Boris nonsense, he can’t win that.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Firework up his arse would be good too!!

He’s too bland and careful.

Rubbish, elections are not decided by PMQs performances, that’s just for the troops.

He needs to make his own speeches, produce significant ideas, a vision and a framework. Forget this battle with Boris nonsense, he can’t win that. "

You’re assuming my comments all relate to PMQ they don’t. It’s a reference but the comments are his performances in general.

He should take risks and out Boris to the sword at question time but he needs to assert himself as a leader with passion and some vision. He needs to break away from the shackles of old labour and the Blair’s Labour and create a party with values and a desire to change the old staid status quo .

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

Firework up his arse would be good too!!

He’s too bland and careful.

Rubbish, elections are not decided by PMQs performances, that’s just for the troops.

He needs to make his own speeches, produce significant ideas, a vision and a framework. Forget this battle with Boris nonsense, he can’t win that.

You’re assuming my comments all relate to PMQ they don’t. It’s a reference but the comments are his performances in general.

Er I just said that. Glad you’ve come around to my way of thinking.

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By *luv2flirtCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Firework up his arse would be good too!!

He’s too bland and careful.

Rubbish, elections are not decided by PMQs performances, that’s just for the troops.

He needs to make his own speeches, produce significant ideas, a vision and a framework. Forget this battle with Boris nonsense, he can’t win that.

You’re assuming my comments all relate to PMQ they don’t. It’s a reference but the comments are his performances in general.

Er I just said that. Glad you’ve come around to my way of thinking."

I said it first

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"In all seriousness I dont know where labour go..the country has lurched to the right and previous attempts to adopt the middle ground,Miliband, were disastrous.

Starmer seems determined to root out anything remotely left of centre,despite namy if the policies making perfect sense.

I think they need to split.

The big question is can that be done in 2 years? I'm thinking not."

If they do split can either faction compete with the conservative's and if so how long would it take

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By *ausageNmashCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"In all seriousness I dont know where labour go..the country has lurched to the right and previous attempts to adopt the middle ground,Miliband, were disastrous.

Starmer seems determined to root out anything remotely left of centre,despite namy if the policies making perfect sense.

I think they need to split.

The big question is can that be done in 2 years? I'm thinking not."

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"In all seriousness I dont know where labour go..the country has lurched to the right and previous attempts to adopt the middle ground,Miliband, were disastrous.

Starmer seems determined to root out anything remotely left of centre,despite namy if the policies making perfect sense.

I think they need to split.

The big question is can that be done in 2 years? I'm thinking not."

They won’t split apart and don’t need to. The Conservatives are equally fractured and without Johnson in the big chair, how do you think they would fare?

The British people seem to prefer soundbytes over substance and slogans over competence. As long as that continues, we will get the politics that we deserve.

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over a year ago

"In all seriousness I dont know where labour go..the country has lurched to the right and previous attempts to adopt the middle ground,Miliband, were disastrous.

Starmer seems determined to root out anything remotely left of centre,despite namy if the policies making perfect sense.

I think they need to split.

The big question is can that be done in 2 years? I'm thinking not.

They won’t split apart and don’t need to. The Conservatives are equally fractured and without Johnson in the big chair, how do you think they would fare?

The British people seem to prefer soundbytes over substance and slogans over competence. As long as that continues, we will get the politics that we deserve."

The only way Labour would get the support required from the press is to represent and fight in the corner of the wealth that owns the press.

Then we just have the Tories part 2. Completely pointless.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

Labour forgotten where there form the people for workes for the small business for the independent shop also with things like black lives matter war in Syria and bing seen to do the woke thing what pattern of wallpaper Boris is putting up in his flat.

Not say black lives do not matter but even Black and Asian will have seen straight through his vote grabbing naivety.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labour forgotten where there form the people for workes for the small business for the independent shop also with things like black lives matter war in Syria and bing seen to do the woke thing what pattern of wallpaper Boris is putting up in his flat.

Not say black lives do not matter but even Black and Asian will have seen straight through his vote grabbing naivety."

"Even black and Asian"

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Once you read the word woke used in am argument, that normally does the trick.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"In all seriousness I dont know where labour go..the country has lurched to the right and previous attempts to adopt the middle ground,Miliband, were disastrous.

Starmer seems determined to root out anything remotely left of centre,despite namy if the policies making perfect sense.

I think they need to split.

The big question is can that be done in 2 years? I'm thinking not.

They won’t split apart and don’t need to. The Conservatives are equally fractured and without Johnson in the big chair, how do you think they would fare?

The British people seem to prefer soundbytes over substance and slogans over competence. As long as that continues, we will get the politics that we deserve."

It's true the conservatives have their problems but not sure Boris not being there would make too much difference. They have beat labour many times in the past without Boris at the helm. Even T. May with an awful campaign managed to narrowly beat them. Starmer needs to get this right and at least make a few gains on Thursday

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Tbf you only need to look at the number of political heavyweights in the gmnt to understand why people are not voting labour.

The likes of akex,gove,hancock,Reece mogg,Williamson, truss,grayling will go.down in history.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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While your first sentence makes sense I'm assuming your second sentence is sarcasm. If it is then you are also agreeing with yourself that people won't vote Labour because these people are political heavyweights? Or are you saying that because they are what is the point of voting for Labour?

Please explain?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

Andy Burnham is a great choice

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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He's got the best Odds at 15/2.

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over a year ago

"He's got the best Odds at 15/2.

I like him, I would like to give SKS a bit longer though,

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

Andy Burnham is a great choice "

Oh god anyone but him and his faux naive, “I’m a real Mancunian me” act

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

Andy Burnham is a great choice

Oh god anyone but him and his faux naive, “I’m a real Mancunian me” act"

He isn’t from Manchester and doesn’t try to be a Mancunian , he was born in Liverpool and supports Everton, you have made a bit of a fool of yourself again.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

Andy Burnham is a great choice

Oh god anyone but him and his faux naive, “I’m a real Mancunian me” act"

He is a scouser.

Your “expertise” is failing you... again lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

Andy Burnham is a great choice

Oh god anyone but him and his faux naive, “I’m a real Mancunian me” act

He is a scouser.

Your “expertise” is failing you... again lol"

It’s embarrassing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

Andy Burnham is a great choice

Oh god anyone but him and his faux naive, “I’m a real Mancunian me” act

He isn’t from Manchester and doesn’t try to be a Mancunian , he was born in Liverpool and supports Everton, you have made a bit of a fool of yourself again.

It's all part of the act. The "confused about brexit" character has to also be confused about other things. For authenticity.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"While your first sentence makes sense I'm assuming your second sentence is sarcasm. If it is then you are also agreeing with yourself that people won't vote Labour because these people are political heavyweights? Or are you saying that because they are what is the point of voting for Labour?

Please explain? "

I think that the point is that we are living in a time when for god only knows what reason, the general public vote goes to liars, thieves, self-servers, opportunists, the bigoted, the racist, the transphobic, the corrupt. People would rather vote for somebody that they know is lying with some populist three word slogan, that they know will steal from the poor and give to the rich, than they would actually do the hard work of critical thinking and looking beyond the lies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please explain?

There's a good article in the London Economic about why people continually vote for the Tories.

I don't agree with all of it. But it's interesting.

#StockholmSyndrome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

Andy Burnham is a great choice

Oh god anyone but him and his faux naive, “I’m a real Mancunian me” act

He isn’t from Manchester and doesn’t try to be a Mancunian , he was born in Liverpool and supports Everton, you have made a bit of a fool of yourself again.

It's all part of the act. The "confused about brexit" character has to also be confused about other things. For authenticity. "

Mr Confused

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

Andy Burnham is a great choice

Oh god anyone but him and his faux naive, “I’m a real Mancunian me” act

He isn’t from Manchester and doesn’t try to be a Mancunian , he was born in Liverpool and supports Everton, you have made a bit of a fool of yourself again.

Uh? Same thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

Andy Burnham is a great choice

Oh god anyone but him and his faux naive, “I’m a real Mancunian me” act

He isn’t from Manchester and doesn’t try to be a Mancunian , he was born in Liverpool and supports Everton, you have made a bit of a fool of yourself again.

Uh? Same thing "

Not in the slightest, thanks for trying though

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

Andy Burnham is a great choice

Oh god anyone but him and his faux naive, “I’m a real Mancunian me” act

He is a scouser.

Your “expertise” is failing you... again lol"

Er no, he lived and was brought up in Culcheth:

“Culcheth is a large village in Warrington, Cheshire, England, six miles (10 km) north-east of Warrington town centre; it is the principal settlement in Culcheth and Glazebury civil parish.”

I’m not saying that everyone who says he’s a scouser is an idiot. Certainly not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

Andy Burnham is a great choice

Oh god anyone but him and his faux naive, “I’m a real Mancunian me” act

He is a scouser.

Your “expertise” is failing you... again lol

Er no, he lived and was brought up in Culcheth:

“Culcheth is a large village in Warrington, Cheshire, England, six miles (10 km) north-east of Warrington town centre; it is the principal settlement in Culcheth and Glazebury civil parish.”

I’m not saying that everyone who says he’s a scouser is an idiot. Certainly not.

To recap, he was born in Liverpool , brought up in Culceth (near Warrington) supports Everton and you think he is trying to be a ‘mancunian’? Hilarious,

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

Andy Burnham is a great choice

Oh god anyone but him and his faux naive, “I’m a real Mancunian me” act

He is a scouser.

Your “expertise” is failing you... again lol

Er no, he lived and was brought up in Culcheth:

“Culcheth is a large village in Warrington, Cheshire, England, six miles (10 km) north-east of Warrington town centre; it is the principal settlement in Culcheth and Glazebury civil parish.”

I’m not saying that everyone who says he’s a scouser is an idiot. Certainly not.

To recap, he was born in Liverpool , brought up in Culceth (near Warrington) supports Everton and you think he is trying to be a ‘mancunian’? Hilarious,

He was born in St Helens which is in Lancashire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"SKS won't lead Labour into the next General Election.

So who does that leave:

Andy Burnam?

Lisa Nandy?

Angela Rayner?

Sadiq Khan?

Andy Burnham is a great choice

Oh god anyone but him and his faux naive, “I’m a real Mancunian me” act

He is a scouser.

Your “expertise” is failing you... again lol

Er no, he lived and was brought up in Culcheth:

“Culcheth is a large village in Warrington, Cheshire, England, six miles (10 km) north-east of Warrington town centre; it is the principal settlement in Culcheth and Glazebury civil parish.”

I’m not saying that everyone who says he’s a scouser is an idiot. Certainly not.

To recap, he was born in Liverpool , brought up in Culceth (near Warrington) supports Everton and you think he is trying to be a ‘mancunian’? Hilarious,

He was born in St Helens which is in Lancashire "

Aintree,

Aintree is a village and civil parish in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton, Merseyside. Historically in Lancashire, it lies between Walton and Maghull on the A59 road, about 5.5 miles (8.9 km) north-east of Liverpool city centre, in North West England.

Definitely not in Manchester .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no labour, just more tories wearing red

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"There is no labour, just more tories wearing red

Indeed. Being Tory-lite is only way Labour can even think about get re-elected in England (the only part of the UK that matters in the anti-democratic FPTP system for a GE).

That's also why they're in such deep shit in Scotland. If Sarwar can't become leader of the opposition in Holyrood - when all he's up against is Douglas Ross - that'll be a bigger kick in the balls for Labour than not taking Hartlepool.

Personally, I'd like Sarwar to manage it but I'm not sure he will.

I don't think the SNP will get an overall majority either - it's way harder to achieve in a PR Parliament.

I've a suspicion - a hope, maybe - that the Greens will push Alba aside and get more MSPs.

IF Alba get even just one, we know who it will be. He'll be entitled to it, though. We live in a democracy up here, after all.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Labour had such a chance to capitalise and they seem to have instead taken lessons in calamity.

I see Labour as we know it one more Tory Cucking away from a split.

It’s a bit of a mess, not sure what the answer is tbh, I think kier needs to be given more time.

I don’t he’s failed to capitalise when things are this bad. There will be a Tory bounce coming post lockdown and he’s not the person to steer Labour through that.

He’s a Labour John Major. Safe and unspectacular. But even less people warm to him. "
they won’t get the labour voters back in the north with him that’s for sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labour had such a chance to capitalise and they seem to have instead taken lessons in calamity.

I see Labour as we know it one more Tory Cucking away from a split.

It’s a bit of a mess, not sure what the answer is tbh, I think kier needs to be given more time.

I don’t he’s failed to capitalise when things are this bad. There will be a Tory bounce coming post lockdown and he’s not the person to steer Labour through that.

He’s a Labour John Major. Safe and unspectacular. But even less people warm to him. they won’t get the labour voters back in the north with him that’s for sure "

Your probably right, who would you like to see take over as leader

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Labour had such a chance to capitalise and they seem to have instead taken lessons in calamity.

I see Labour as we know it one more Tory Cucking away from a split.

It’s a bit of a mess, not sure what the answer is tbh, I think kier needs to be given more time.

I don’t he’s failed to capitalise when things are this bad. There will be a Tory bounce coming post lockdown and he’s not the person to steer Labour through that.

He’s a Labour John Major. Safe and unspectacular. But even less people warm to him. they won’t get the labour voters back in the north with him that’s for sure

Your probably right, who would you like to see take over as leader "
I wanted nandy she would of been good but there’s not much of a choice tbh same with the tories

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over a year ago

"Labour had such a chance to capitalise and they seem to have instead taken lessons in calamity.

I see Labour as we know it one more Tory Cucking away from a split.

It’s a bit of a mess, not sure what the answer is tbh, I think kier needs to be given more time.

I don’t he’s failed to capitalise when things are this bad. There will be a Tory bounce coming post lockdown and he’s not the person to steer Labour through that.

He’s a Labour John Major. Safe and unspectacular. But even less people warm to him. they won’t get the labour voters back in the north with him that’s for sure

Your probably right, who would you like to see take over as leader I wanted nandy she would of been good but there’s not much of a choice tbh same with the tories "

True, i think Nandy is a good shout but she was seen as being to close to Corbyn

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend

if there is another leadership contest perhaps it should not be a re run of the last one. Labour needs someone who can bring the party together not an idiot who has gone out of his way to split the party & lick BJs arse, Did Keir pay for the wallpaper?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if there is another leadership contest perhaps it should not be a re run of the last one. Labour needs someone who can bring the party together not an idiot who has gone out of his way to split the party & lick BJs arse, Did Keir pay for the wallpaper? "

Labour are in a lose/lose situation with their direction. Be too much like the Tories and anyone who wants any real change won't be interested. Be one semi-micron to the left of centre, offer any minor change to the status quo and the press destroys them.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Labour had such a chance to capitalise and they seem to have instead taken lessons in calamity.

I see Labour as we know it one more Tory Cucking away from a split.

It’s a bit of a mess, not sure what the answer is tbh, I think kier needs to be given more time.

I don’t he’s failed to capitalise when things are this bad. There will be a Tory bounce coming post lockdown and he’s not the person to steer Labour through that.

He’s a Labour John Major. Safe and unspectacular. But even less people warm to him. they won’t get the labour voters back in the north with him that’s for sure

Your probably right, who would you like to see take over as leader I wanted nandy she would of been good but there’s not much of a choice tbh same with the tories

True, i think Nandy is a good shout but she was seen as being to close to Corbyn "

I always thought Laura pidcock would have took over from Corbyn

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend

I have been quite impressed by Joe Biden he fooled the press that he was very centrist but once in office seems to have a sensible left of centre agenda .

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By *ockdownerMan
over a year ago

Preston

I don't care who leads Labour.

What I want to see is a new style of Tory government, one led with honesty, ethical and morality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't care who leads Labour.

What I want to see is a new style of Tory government, one led with honesty, ethical and morality. "

That what be happening until Boris goes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't care who leads Labour.

What I want to see is a new style of Tory government, one led with honesty, ethical and morality. "

Lolz.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I don't care who leads Labour.

What I want to see is a new style of Tory government, one led with honesty, ethical and morality. "
don’t hold ya breath for that then lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have been quite impressed by Joe Biden he fooled the press that he was very centrist but once in office seems to have a sensible left of centre agenda ."

He said a lot of good stuff, but I'll wait and see if he backs it up.

IE. He stopped selling arms to the saudis. Which is good. But they still sell them a lot of military equipment that they aren't classifying as "arms".

But I get your point. He promised to be bland and ineffectual. But he might actually do some good.

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By *ockdownerMan
over a year ago

Preston

"I don't care who leads Labour.

What I want to see is a new style of Tory government, one led with honesty, ethical and morality. don’t hold ya breath for that then lol"

Very good advice

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"I don't care who leads Labour.

What I want to see is a new style of Tory government, one led with honesty, ethical and morality. "

I agree with that lol

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Now is the time to join the Conservative party and have a vote on who will be the next PM (if Fabtastics “Boris gone by eoy” prediction is correct)

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

I have been quite impressed by Joe Biden he fooled the press that he was very centrist but once in office seems to have a sensible left of centre agenda .

He said a lot of good stuff, but I'll wait and see if he backs it up.

IE. He stopped selling arms to the saudis. Which is good. But they still sell them a lot of military equipment that they aren't classifying as "arms".

But I get your point. He promised to be bland and ineffectual. But he might actually do some good."

So he lied to the electorate to get voted in ? But of course because he is left of centre his lies are ok, no double standards there then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have been quite impressed by Joe Biden he fooled the press that he was very centrist but once in office seems to have a sensible left of centre agenda .

He said a lot of good stuff, but I'll wait and see if he backs it up.

IE. He stopped selling arms to the saudis. Which is good. But they still sell them a lot of military equipment that they aren't classifying as "arms".

But I get your point. He promised to be bland and ineffectual. But he might actually do some good.

So he lied to the electorate to get voted in ? But of course because he is left of centre his lies are ok, no double standards there then. "

If you say so.

I'm not commenting on the level of okayness. It's pretty unusual though. More often it's the opposite in politics. Promise to do good things for the people and for the country, then when elected just represent the corporations and donors who. financed the election campaigns.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time! "

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

For labour to win in Hartlepool would mean the people of the town would have to fundamentally have to admit they were wrong and lied to on brexit… and as we see on here people haven’t reached that point yet!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

A seat that has been red in every election since it was created 47 years ago and you dont think sks wont be in for a hard time if they lose it?

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

Or maybe the people of Hartlepool are already seeing the end of wage compression particularly as demand in manufacturing and for hospitality staff ramps up again. Maybe they realise they weren't lied to.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

A seat that has been red in every election since it was created 47 years ago and you dont think sks wont be in for a hard time if they lose it?

He'll get a hard time from the media _renzy, and them from the left of the Labour party.

Its going to be interesting.

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By *ockdownerMan
over a year ago

Preston

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

I suppose it all depends on the context and topic whether they were lied to.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

A seat that has been red in every election since it was created 47 years ago and you dont think sks wont be in for a hard time if they lose it?

That is no knowing the local population… in 2015 farage led ukip got 30% of the vote…

In 2019 farage led brexit party got 26% of the voting

So for the last 2 go Arounds…. The tories and the farage mob have been eating each other allowing labour to win…

This time… no farage party for leavers to get behind

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

ITT fabbers who don't understand that Hartlepool is not Hull

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

A seat that has been red in every election since it was created 47 years ago and you dont think sks wont be in for a hard time if they lose it?

That is no knowing the local population… in 2015 farage led ukip got 30% of the vote…

In 2019 farage led brexit party got 26% of the voting

So for the last 2 go Arounds…. The tories and the farage mob have been eating each other allowing labour to win…

This time… no farage party for leavers to get behind "
So are you telling me that the ukip supporters are all tories?

brexit is done and by voting labour this time does not mean you are admitting you were wrong on voting for it ,that is a ridiculous statement and have no idea how you come to that conclusion.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

Well they do have 2 jobs for every 1 person

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

Well they do have 2 jobs for every 1 person"
not really but the jobs and investment in the area is massive at the moment so can’t see it going back to labour

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

Well they do have 2 jobs for every 1 person not really but the jobs and investment in the area is massive at the moment so can’t see it going back to labour "

9% unemployment?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

Well they do have 2 jobs for every 1 person not really but the jobs and investment in the area is massive at the moment so can’t see it going back to labour

9% unemployment?"
teesside as always had highest unemployment in England Lionel even under labour

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

Well they do have 2 jobs for every 1 person not really but the jobs and investment in the area is massive at the moment so can’t see it going back to labour

9% unemployment?teesside as always had highest unemployment in England Lionel even under labour "

Labour havent been on power for over a decade

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

Well they do have 2 jobs for every 1 person not really but the jobs and investment in the area is massive at the moment so can’t see it going back to labour

9% unemployment?teesside as always had highest unemployment in England Lionel even under labour

Labour havent been on power for over a decade"
your a scouser and know fine well Teesside as been shit on for decades under both governments have you not seen boys from the black stuff lol

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

Well they do have 2 jobs for every 1 person not really but the jobs and investment in the area is massive at the moment so can’t see it going back to labour

9% unemployment?teesside as always had highest unemployment in England Lionel even under labour

Labour havent been on power for over a decadeyour a scouser and know fine well Teesside as been shit on for decades under both governments have you not seen boys from the black stuff lol"

That was under Thatcher

The Tories have been in power for over a decade

Did they not have time to create the jobs previously,?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

Well they do have 2 jobs for every 1 person not really but the jobs and investment in the area is massive at the moment so can’t see it going back to labour

9% unemployment?teesside as always had highest unemployment in England Lionel even under labour

Labour havent been on power for over a decadeyour a scouser and know fine well Teesside as been shit on for decades under both governments have you not seen boys from the black stuff lol

That was under Thatcher

The Tories have been in power for over a decade

Did they not have time to create the jobs previously,?

"
my craic is wasted on you Lionel lol

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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I wonder why the people keep voting for them?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"I wonder why the people keep voting for them?

"#Conservatives deliver, we get stuff done."

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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#Proper boy-scouts lol.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

Well they do have 2 jobs for every 1 person not really but the jobs and investment in the area is massive at the moment so can’t see it going back to labour

9% unemployment?teesside as always had highest unemployment in England Lionel even under labour

Labour havent been on power for over a decadeyour a scouser and know fine well Teesside as been shit on for decades under both governments have you not seen boys from the black stuff lol

That was under Thatcher

The Tories have been in power for over a decade

Did they not have time to create the jobs previously,?

The Conservatives have been in Government since 2015.

That's not a decade.

From 2010 to 2015 the UK had an coalition Government.!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

Well they do have 2 jobs for every 1 person not really but the jobs and investment in the area is massive at the moment so can’t see it going back to labour

9% unemployment?teesside as always had highest unemployment in England Lionel even under labour

Labour havent been on power for over a decadeyour a scouser and know fine well Teesside as been shit on for decades under both governments have you not seen boys from the black stuff lol

That was under Thatcher

The Tories have been in power for over a decade

Did they not have time to create the jobs previously,?

The Conservatives have been in Government since 2015.

That's not a decade.

From 2010 to 2015 the UK had an coalition Government.!"

So 2010-2015 doesn't count then?

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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The Tories have been in power for over a decade

The Conservatives have been in Government since 2015.

That's not a decade.

From 2010 to 2015 the UK had a coalition Government.!"

Don't worry too much lol. It's called creative reporting.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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"coalition Government.!

So 2010-2015 doesn't count then?"

Doesn't count to your statement that the 'The Tories have been in power for over a decade'. As the 'Power' was a 'Shared coalition of power' between 2010-2015.

That's just plain old Historical Fact.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

The Tories have been in power for over a decade

The Conservatives have been in Government since 2015.

That's not a decade.

From 2010 to 2015 the UK had a coalition Government.!

Don't worry too much lol. It's called creative reporting.

So because they were in coalition..they were not running the country?

This is a new one..I thought you would be glad they were in power?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"coalition Government.!

So 2010-2015 doesn't count then?

Doesn't count to your statement that the 'The Tories have been in power for over a decade'. As the 'Power' was a 'Shared coalition of power' between 2010-2015.

That's just plain old Historical Fact."

They were the senior party in a coalition gmnt

Where they running the country?

Yes or no?

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"If Hartlepool turns Blue, then SKS is in for a hard time!

Not really…. Hartlepool voted 75% for leave and the conservatives would have won last time round if it wasn’t for the brexit party splitting the vote big time!

Well they do have 2 jobs for every 1 person not really but the jobs and investment in the area is massive at the moment so can’t see it going back to labour

9% unemployment?teesside as always had highest unemployment in England Lionel even under labour

Labour havent been on power for over a decadeyour a scouser and know fine well Teesside as been shit on for decades under both governments have you not seen boys from the black stuff lol

That was under Thatcher

The Tories have been in power for over a decade

Did they not have time to create the jobs previously,?

The Conservatives have been in Government since 2015.

That's not a decade.

From 2010 to 2015 the UK had an coalition Government.!

So 2010-2015 doesn't count then?"

More horrendous reports over the weekend highlighting that there were at least three Liberal cabinet members during the coalition who were supposed to be in charge of the Post Office.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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The Tories have been in power for over a decade

The Conservatives have been in Government since 2015.

That's not a decade.

From 2010 to 2015 the UK had a coalition Government.!

Don't worry too much lol. It's called creative reporting.

So because they were in coalition..they were not running the country?

This is a new one..I thought you would be glad they were in power?"

Again . . .

"Doesn't count to your statement that the 'The Tories have been in power for over a decade'. As the 'Power' was a 'Shared coalition of power' between 2010-2015.

That's just plain old Historical Fact."

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

The Tories have been in power for over a decade

The Conservatives have been in Government since 2015.

That's not a decade.

From 2010 to 2015 the UK had a coalition Government.!

Don't worry too much lol. It's called creative reporting.

So because they were in coalition..they were not running the country?

This is a new one..I thought you would be glad they were in power?

Again . . .

"Doesn't count to your statement that the 'The Tories have been in power for over a decade'. As the 'Power' was a 'Shared coalition of power' between 2010-2015.

That's just plain old Historical Fact."

Lesson no 1 on here

When you ask a question once on here and it doesnt get answered.

Your point is proven

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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The Tories have been in power for over a decade

The Conservatives have been in Government since 2015.

That's not a decade.

From 2010 to 2015 the UK had a coalition Government.!

Don't worry too much lol. It's called creative reporting.

So because they were in coalition..they were not running the country?

This is a new one..I thought you would be glad they were in power?

Again . . .

"Doesn't count to your statement that the 'The Tories have been in power for over a decade'. As the 'Power' was a 'Shared coalition of power' between 2010-2015.

That's just plain old Historical Fact."

Lesson no 1 on here

When you ask a question once on here and it doesnt get answered.

Your point is proven

I already answered your question - so I have no need to reform it into the same answer but with different words.

So . . .

"Doesn't count to your statement that the 'The Tories have been in power for over a decade'. As the 'Power' was a 'Shared coalition of power' between 2010-2015.

That's just plain old Historical Fact."

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Yep point proved.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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TY. I like to please.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Trying to spin that a party wasn't "in power" whilst it was the major party in a coalition is honestly pathetic.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Read again it says 'shared power'.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Trying to spin that a party wasn't "in power" whilst it was the major party in a coalition is honestly pathetic. "

It certainly is a new one.

Surely it cant be a case of absolving responsibility for 5 years?

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"Trying to spin that a party wasn't "in power" whilst it was the major party in a coalition is honestly pathetic. "

It was a weak coalition utterly confused by Cleggs red lines

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Clegg? Now there's a word from Ancient history.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Pretending that the lib dems had any meaningful constraint or influence on what the Tories did is also pathetic. They caved on tuition fees immediately.

But it's quite funny how determined you guys are not to own that period of time for your team.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

The year is 2030.

"yeah,nothing has materially changed for the better after 20 years of Tory rule, but remember that lib dem coalition!"

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Blame someone else when something goes wrong..I've absolutely no idea where that comes from.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Meanwhile back on planet earth starmer is already blaming the last guy.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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" They caved on tuition fees immediately. "

Hence, the ancient history his name was consigned to.

I claim that the power was a coalition 'power-shared' government with no overall majority.

Odd that Factual Political History claims that too. But hey ho.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Meanwhile, back at the Hustings:

"Local elections: Sir Keir Starmer admits Labour have 'mountain to climb' as polls show party trailing in key races"

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

" They caved on tuition fees immediately.

Hence, the ancient history his name was consigned to.

I claim that the power was a coalition 'power-shared' government with no overall majority.

Odd that Factual Political History claims that too. But hey ho.

I'll ask a simple question.

I'll even make it easy for you with a multiple choice answer

When the tories were the senior party in a coalition gmnt with the liberals, where they in power?

Yes or no?

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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" They caved on tuition fees immediately.

Hence, the ancient history his name was consigned to.

I claim that the power was a coalition 'power-shared' government with no overall majority.

Odd that Factual Political History claims that too. But hey ho.

I'll ask a simple question.

I'll even make it easy for you with a multiple choice answer

When the tories were the senior party in a coalition gmnt with the liberals, where they in power?

Yes or no?"

I'll give you a simple answer:

Read above.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

" They caved on tuition fees immediately.

Hence, the ancient history his name was consigned to.

I claim that the power was a coalition 'power-shared' government with no overall majority.

Odd that Factual Political History claims that too. But hey ho.

I'll ask a simple question.

I'll even make it easy for you with a multiple choice answer

When the tories were the senior party in a coalition gmnt with the liberals, where they in power?

Yes or no?

I'll give you a simple answer:

Read above. "

My work here is done

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Glad to have been of help in your understanding of the facts.

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over a year ago

"The year is 2030.

"yeah,nothing has materially changed for the better after 20 years of Tory rule, but remember that lib dem coalition!" "

Bloody Lib Dem’s,

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Bloody Lib Dem’s,

Hey! We agree!

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

It's a funny old world where people daily post on a political forum but have no idea what a coalition government is.!

I have a strong feeling that if history was to show that the years of 2010 to 2015 was the UK's Golden years where everything was sorted, everybody was happy and wealthy certain people would suddenly give the credit to the LB Dems.!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"It's a funny old world where people daily post on a political forum but have no idea what a coalition government is.!

Everyone Is fully aware of what a coalition gmnt is.

For some strange reason however you seem quite keen on denying the majority conservative gmnt,who were actually running the country, along with the minority liberals, had any actual influence.

Truly bizarre.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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It seems that you don't have grasp of what a coalition government is lol.

It's one where there ISN'T any overall control.

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over a year ago

"It seems that you don't have grasp of what a coalition government is lol.

It's one where there ISN'T any overall control."

So both are ‘in power ‘ ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

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"It seems that you don't have grasp of what a coalition government is lol.

It's one where there ISN'T any overall control.

So both are ‘in power ‘ ? "

Things must be desperate when you cant even admit you.weee running the country

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Catch up - I have already said at least 3 times 'Shared-Power'.

One could not pass legislation without the other, therefore shared governance, or in the parlance of political speak . . .

Coalition.

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