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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS" You do realise she is talking about the usa don't you? | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS" It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere." I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. " it does not consider the fact that we are investing to much in forgien aid and defense of other countries for nothing in return. Why should the American tax payer have to burden ourselves with that fact. What return do we get ? Nothing... Those funds can be better spent on infrastructure and social programs that benefits the citizens. Not defunding the police. Let's defund everything else to satisfy a need. | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. it does not consider the fact that we are investing to much in forgien aid and defense of other countries for nothing in return. Why should the American tax payer have to burden ourselves with that fact. What return do we get ? Nothing... Those funds can be better spent on infrastructure and social programs that benefits the citizens. Not defunding the police. Let's defund everything else to satisfy a need." Tell me I am wrong. We have plenty of cities that can use the funding. But here we are being global police when we can't police our own because of a narrative.Letsbe truthful about this 47 billion is alot of money that can be applied to better trained officers better community functionality and yet I didn't even touch on the fact that we have the biggest defense budget protecting world interests. Nothing wrong in drawing a line in the proverbial sands for the greater good for our society. | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. it does not consider the fact that we are investing to much in forgien aid and defense of other countries for nothing in return. Why should the American tax payer have to burden ourselves with that fact. What return do we get ? Nothing... Those funds can be better spent on infrastructure and social programs that benefits the citizens. Not defunding the police. Let's defund everything else to satisfy a need. Tell me I am wrong. We have plenty of cities that can use the funding. But here we are being global police when we can't police our own because of a narrative.Letsbe truthful about this 47 billion is alot of money that can be applied to better trained officers better community functionality and yet I didn't even touch on the fact that we have the biggest defense budget protecting world interests. Nothing wrong in drawing a line in the proverbial sands for the greater good for our society." When did you get asked ro be the Global Police ? | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. it does not consider the fact that we are investing to much in forgien aid and defense of other countries for nothing in return. Why should the American tax payer have to burden ourselves with that fact. What return do we get ? Nothing... Those funds can be better spent on infrastructure and social programs that benefits the citizens. Not defunding the police. Let's defund everything else to satisfy a need. Tell me I am wrong. We have plenty of cities that can use the funding. But here we are being global police when we can't police our own because of a narrative.Letsbe truthful about this 47 billion is alot of money that can be applied to better trained officers better community functionality and yet I didn't even touch on the fact that we have the biggest defense budget protecting world interests. Nothing wrong in drawing a line in the proverbial sands for the greater good for our society. When did you get asked ro be the Global Police ?" When the russians were threatening to carry on through Germany and take over all of Europe. Try opening both eyes and read a bit of history. The USA policy in some areas of the world have been questionable and not thought through but had they not been able to protect europe we would all been speaking Russian now and the freedom of speech you enjoy would not exist | |||
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"It’s an interesting debate to be had I suppose. I think defunding the police would only exacerbate some of the more recent problems we’ve seen coming from US forces tho. Mistaking a taser for a pistol, kneeling on someone’s neck past the point of unconsciousness, the lack of any meaningful post engagement medical care for suspects....these are all easily resolvable issues through training and drill. Taking money away from such an essential element of policing will only make things worse. The more i see of the reactionary elements in American society towards police interactions with the public, the more I’m convinced the agenda is to move to private security forces myself. " The funding can be easily taken away from to fund the training for a better police force. Instead of wasting it on other countries security. We can't even secure our own anymore yet here we are sending funding and assets overseas. Those funds can be used for alot of good. Police budgets are tight as it is alot of local rual police departments have closed and the state police have to pick up the slack. | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. it does not consider the fact that we are investing to much in forgien aid and defense of other countries for nothing in return. Why should the American tax payer have to burden ourselves with that fact. What return do we get ? Nothing... Those funds can be better spent on infrastructure and social programs that benefits the citizens. Not defunding the police. Let's defund everything else to satisfy a need. Tell me I am wrong. We have plenty of cities that can use the funding. But here we are being global police when we can't police our own because of a narrative.Letsbe truthful about this 47 billion is alot of money that can be applied to better trained officers better community functionality and yet I didn't even touch on the fact that we have the biggest defense budget protecting world interests. Nothing wrong in drawing a line in the proverbial sands for the greater good for our society. When did you get asked ro be the Global Police ? When the russians were threatening to carry on through Germany and take over all of Europe. Try opening both eyes and read a bit of history. The USA policy in some areas of the world have been questionable and not thought through but had they not been able to protect europe we would all been speaking Russian now and the freedom of speech you enjoy would not exist " Not in the History books ive read does it state Russia was going to carry on through & takeover the rest of Europe . Can you point me in the direction of the books you have read that state this please . Many thanks . | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. it does not consider the fact that we are investing to much in forgien aid and defense of other countries for nothing in return. Why should the American tax payer have to burden ourselves with that fact. What return do we get ? Nothing... Those funds can be better spent on infrastructure and social programs that benefits the citizens. Not defunding the police. Let's defund everything else to satisfy a need." I am with you on defending. Not sure if you want to defund the US military too, which I think could be done but could get resistance from the military industrial complex. Im not sure i agree with you on cutting foreign aid, depending on how the money is used, helping other countries can pay dividends in America's favour like helping to fight drug cartels in south America. | |||
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"Foreign aid (about 1% of the US federal budget) is not why the US can't keep its own citizens safe from its police. " . It's still money that can be used for the very thing people are screaming about . Inequality most black neighborhoods are impoverished. 1 % is alot of money of a overall budget. Rather see it invested in cities than thrown away at other countries. | |||
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"Just classic conservative thinking. "all these bad things keep happening in our country...but it can't be our fault. Must be because of giving too much money to those foreigners!" " Independent so you failed on the conservative perspective. We are giving too much money supporting economic and military support. It can be better used here . | |||
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"Why are we concerned with this nonesense 1000s of miles away on a foreign land? " Because what happens here in the US effects many different places around the world, some more than others. | |||
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"Instead of defunding police I think we as a country should defund forgien policies. 47 billion can go a long way into better social programs here. Better healthcare better investments into our society instead of everyone else. "Why do you think USA funds foreign aid? | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. " dont you think that is because physically it is such a huge country, ive also traveled there a lot and you can drive 200 miles and see no one, if you did meet a bad man on route the nearest police could be miles away, its why people carry guns, texas alone is 2.8 times bigger than uk! thats why states work separate. They are edging towards being separate countries, like the united states of england, wales, scotland. | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. dont you think that is because physically it is such a huge country, ive also traveled there a lot and you can drive 200 miles and see no one, if you did meet a bad man on route the nearest police could be miles away, its why people carry guns, texas alone is 2.8 times bigger than uk! thats why states work separate. They are edging towards being separate countries, like the united states of england, wales, scotland." Ha! They are carrying guns because, they are less likely too meet someone in a huge country? That's a good one. Wouldn't your logic work better if you say they are carrying it in big city as there is more crime and it is more dangerous there ?
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. dont you think that is because physically it is such a huge country, ive also traveled there a lot and you can drive 200 miles and see no one, if you did meet a bad man on route the nearest police could be miles away, its why people carry guns, texas alone is 2.8 times bigger than uk! thats why states work separate. They are edging towards being separate countries, like the united states of england, wales, scotland. Ha! They are carrying guns because, they are less likely too meet someone in a huge country? That's a good one. Wouldn't your logic work better if you say they are carrying it in big city as there is more crime and it is more dangerous there ?
Jesus, USA lobbyists are perfect. The average american idiot doesn't even understand that it is all about money and that huge arms dealing business "Crime tends to happen where there are few witnesses, not on high street, well only the prices lol point was support is often miles away. I'd carry a gun. | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. dont you think that is because physically it is such a huge country, ive also traveled there a lot and you can drive 200 miles and see no one, if you did meet a bad man on route the nearest police could be miles away, its why people carry guns, texas alone is 2.8 times bigger than uk! thats why states work separate. They are edging towards being separate countries, like the united states of england, wales, scotland. Ha! They are carrying guns because, they are less likely too meet someone in a huge country? That's a good one. Wouldn't your logic work better if you say they are carrying it in big city as there is more crime and it is more dangerous there ?
Jesus, USA lobbyists are perfect. The average american idiot doesn't even understand that it is all about money and that huge arms dealing business "Some of us carry not just for the human element UK does not have predators like we do. Some people do carry in remote areas because of animals. Can't call the police if a bear charges you. Fact gun sales are a direct result of the unrest. | |||
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"Give deadly weapons to racist redneck simpletons and put them in a uniform What could possibly go wrong?" give the nuclear button to someone with dementia.... are we just making stuff up again... what uniform? mac donalds... usa is massive and hardly compares to uk regards trying to police it | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. it does not consider the fact that we are investing to much in forgien aid and defense of other countries for nothing in return. Why should the American tax payer have to burden ourselves with that fact. What return do we get ? Nothing... Those funds can be better spent on infrastructure and social programs that benefits the citizens. Not defunding the police. Let's defund everything else to satisfy a need. Tell me I am wrong. We have plenty of cities that can use the funding. But here we are being global police when we can't police our own because of a narrative.Letsbe truthful about this 47 billion is alot of money that can be applied to better trained officers better community functionality and yet I didn't even touch on the fact that we have the biggest defense budget protecting world interests. Nothing wrong in drawing a line in the proverbial sands for the greater good for our society. When did you get asked ro be the Global Police ? When the russians were threatening to carry on through Germany and take over all of Europe. Try opening both eyes and read a bit of history. The USA policy in some areas of the world have been questionable and not thought through but had they not been able to protect europe we would all been speaking Russian now and the freedom of speech you enjoy would not exist Not in the History books ive read does it state Russia was going to carry on through & takeover the rest of Europe . Can you point me in the direction of the books you have read that state this please . Many thanks . " Did you miss the rise and fall of the USSR, do you think they would have stayed behind the iron curtain, did you miss all the countries that prior to WW2 were independent and free that afterwards were vassal states toRussia, did the allies continue to run germany, italy or japan after the war, did you miss the Cuban missile crisis where the world came to the brink of destruction, did you miss more recently the Ukraine and Crimea issues. The USSR tried to undermine the west and expand its empire, you must have missed the end of the ussr and a lot of stuff | |||
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Only some of the UK police force could be actually called police, the rest are just social workers in uniforms"That's what the public wanted, original peelers were licenced thugs, almost... like old style bouncers... public wanted a soft face, no height restrictions, more touchy feely... they got it lol | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. it does not consider the fact that we are investing to much in forgien aid and defense of other countries for nothing in return. Why should the American tax payer have to burden ourselves with that fact. What return do we get ? Nothing... Those funds can be better spent on infrastructure and social programs that benefits the citizens. Not defunding the police. Let's defund everything else to satisfy a need. Tell me I am wrong. We have plenty of cities that can use the funding. But here we are being global police when we can't police our own because of a narrative.Letsbe truthful about this 47 billion is alot of money that can be applied to better trained officers better community functionality and yet I didn't even touch on the fact that we have the biggest defense budget protecting world interests. Nothing wrong in drawing a line in the proverbial sands for the greater good for our society. When did you get asked ro be the Global Police ? When the russians were threatening to carry on through Germany and take over all of Europe. Try opening both eyes and read a bit of history. The USA policy in some areas of the world have been questionable and not thought through but had they not been able to protect europe we would all been speaking Russian now and the freedom of speech you enjoy would not exist Not in the History books ive read does it state Russia was going to carry on through & takeover the rest of Europe . Can you point me in the direction of the books you have read that state this please . Many thanks . Did you miss the rise and fall of the USSR, do you think they would have stayed behind the iron curtain, did you miss all the countries that prior to WW2 were independent and free that afterwards were vassal states toRussia, did the allies continue to run germany, italy or japan after the war, did you miss the Cuban missile crisis where the world came to the brink of destruction, did you miss more recently the Ukraine and Crimea issues. The USSR tried to undermine the west and expand its empire, you must have missed the end of the ussr and a lot of stuff" Are these all History books ive not read that you are quoting from ? I have read History books where Russia & The U.S divvied up Germany The yanks gave Japan loads of Money to help rebuild them after they were the only country to use 2 yes 2 atomic Bombs in anger . As for Cuba didnt the Russians just go to the aid of its communist friends to stop yet another American Invasion , its called the bay of pigs if you need to look it up . You should see what the yanks did to take influential control in South American countries like Chile El Salvador Panama & many others . Maybe read a book called "Audacity to believe " So what if Russia decided to invade a bunch of countries , Not like the U.K hasnt done it all in the Past is it . | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. dont you think that is because physically it is such a huge country, ive also traveled there a lot and you can drive 200 miles and see no one, if you did meet a bad man on route the nearest police could be miles away, its why people carry guns, texas alone is 2.8 times bigger than uk! thats why states work separate. They are edging towards being separate countries, like the united states of england, wales, scotland. Ha! They are carrying guns because, they are less likely too meet someone in a huge country? That's a good one. Wouldn't your logic work better if you say they are carrying it in big city as there is more crime and it is more dangerous there ?
Jesus, USA lobbyists are perfect. The average american idiot doesn't even understand that it is all about money and that huge arms dealing business
Some of us carry not just for the human element UK does not have predators like we do. Some people do carry in remote areas because of animals. Can't call the police if a bear charges you. Fact gun sales are a direct result of the unrest."Would a bear swear on a Bible in court if you did call the police . Well sir they came to my woods where my young are & he was carrying an assault rifle . I just wanted to scare them off to protect my cubs . | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. dont you think that is because physically it is such a huge country, ive also traveled there a lot and you can drive 200 miles and see no one, if you did meet a bad man on route the nearest police could be miles away, its why people carry guns, texas alone is 2.8 times bigger than uk! thats why states work separate. They are edging towards being separate countries, like the united states of england, wales, scotland. Ha! They are carrying guns because, they are less likely too meet someone in a huge country? That's a good one. Wouldn't your logic work better if you say they are carrying it in big city as there is more crime and it is more dangerous there ?
Jesus, USA lobbyists are perfect. The average american idiot doesn't even understand that it is all about money and that huge arms dealing business
Some of us carry not just for the human element UK does not have predators like we do. Some people do carry in remote areas because of animals. Can't call the police if a bear charges you. Fact gun sales are a direct result of the unrest.
Would a bear swear on a Bible in court if you did call the police .
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Only some of the UK police force could be actually called police, the rest are just social workers in uniforms"Yes, but your perception of a ‘good’ police officer is an authoritarian nut case that breaks people’s legs for the littlest infraction of the law. My point was the professionalism. There’s much less corruption in the UK and as I’ve stated previously, they police by consent, not force. More important than that, the police are a reflection of the society they represent. If UK police are ‘weak’ then it’s only because the citizenry they recruit from are. | |||
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"I have to say i have 2 constrasting experiences of the UK police when I lived in London and Manchester in the 80's Your average police officer on the beat (as they used to be called) were gentlemen and ladies, total professional and always there to help and protect, always polite and respectful to me, The other police branch's like cid and the dreaded special branch were a different kettle of fish altogether, they were a law unto themselves, they could arrest and hold you for up to seven days, kick the shit out of you and charge you on non existent evidence, i once spent 4 days in a liverpool police cell,stopped boarding the Dublin ferry, no one ill treated me or even spoke to me until a guy opened the cell door and said,you are free to go sir, I could always understand that these people were fighting a secret war against a very sophisticated and ruthless IRA and do not for a moment blame them for doing their upmost to protect their population, I often think if the British police of the last decade were allowed to police certain communities in the UK, like the Irish community were policed in the 70s and 8os, ye might not have had some of the amateur attacks that claimed so many civilian lives, moral of the story, if you want to protect your population you need a police force, or at least a section of it, whose hands are not tied, I post this as a Irish Republican supporter " Pre PACE and the police were absolute cowboys in the UK. Plenty of horror stories from back then. There are still specialist units now who aren’t restricted in anyway tho. | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. dont you think that is because physically it is such a huge country, ive also traveled there a lot and you can drive 200 miles and see no one, if you did meet a bad man on route the nearest police could be miles away, its why people carry guns, texas alone is 2.8 times bigger than uk! thats why states work separate. They are edging towards being separate countries, like the united states of england, wales, scotland. Ha! They are carrying guns because, they are less likely too meet someone in a huge country? That's a good one. Wouldn't your logic work better if you say they are carrying it in big city as there is more crime and it is more dangerous there ?
Jesus, USA lobbyists are perfect. The average american idiot doesn't even understand that it is all about money and that huge arms dealing business
Some of us carry not just for the human element UK does not have predators like we do. Some people do carry in remote areas because of animals. Can't call the police if a bear charges you. Fact gun sales are a direct result of the unrest.
Would a bear swear on a Bible in court if you did call the police .
Well sir they came to my woods where my young are & he was carrying an assault rifle . I just wanted to scare them off to protect my cubs .
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"I have to say i have 2 constrasting experiences of the UK police when I lived in London and Manchester in the 80's Your average police officer on the beat (as they used to be called) were gentlemen and ladies, total professional and always there to help and protect, always polite and respectful to me, The other police branch's like cid and the dreaded special branch were a different kettle of fish altogether, they were a law unto themselves, they could arrest and hold you for up to seven days, kick the shit out of you and charge you on non existent evidence, i once spent 4 days in a liverpool police cell,stopped boarding the Dublin ferry, no one ill treated me or even spoke to me until a guy opened the cell door and said,you are free to go sir, I could always understand that these people were fighting a secret war against a very sophisticated and ruthless IRA and do not for a moment blame them for doing their upmost to protect their population, I often think if the British police of the last decade were allowed to police certain communities in the UK, like the Irish community were policed in the 70s and 8os, ye might not have had some of the amateur attacks that claimed so many civilian lives, moral of the story, if you want to protect your population you need a police force, or at least a section of it, whose hands are not tied, I post this as a Irish Republican supporter Pre PACE and the police were absolute cowboys in the UK. Plenty of horror stories from back then. There are still specialist units now who aren’t restricted in anyway tho. " when i lived in kilburn for a few years in the 80s i was friendly with a lot of west Indian people down westbourne park/ladbroke road way,they like us in the Irish community in kilburn/cricklewood had major issues with the police, while we in our areas kept our heads down and concentrated on working hard, drinking hard and fighting among ourselves at the weekends, the black community really fought back, but then they were really treated horribly, much worse than us Irish, the racism in the 80s was so just every day in your face, bad for us Irish, but intolerable for the west Indian and Asian peoples | |||
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"American police seem incredibly unprofessional, poorly trained and resort to violence way to quickly compared with uk and European police. They are also not held to account to the same extent as uk police. They get away with murder literally... Lol you ever been to Poland? Or Latvia? Czech Republic? There isn’t a police force in Europe that comes near the professionalism of the UK. Don’t lump ours in with them UK police has better funding and infrastructure, but the quality of the officers is low. More like social workers with uniforms. Limited powers created weak police force that can't deal with hardened criminals. Especially with organized crime in London etc. Also, very low requirements for physical training. I knew a little chubby girl who passed the physical training for police force to work on the streets and the only time she ran in her life was to get in time for the mcdonalds breakfast menu
Only some of the UK police force could be actually called police, the rest are just social workers in uniforms
Yes, but your perception of a ‘good’ police officer is an authoritarian nut case that breaks people’s legs for the littlest infraction of the law.
My point was the professionalism. There’s much less corruption in the UK and as I’ve stated previously, they police by consent, not force. More important than that, the police are a reflection of the society they represent. If UK police are ‘weak’ then it’s only because the citizenry they recruit from are. "No, you just assumed that's my perception. Police here knows how to inflict pain without breaking legs or leaving any marks. Good amount of pepper spray to the eyes while twisting the arms behind the back always works even on the toughest guys. And the good part is, they only do this to assholes who resist arrests and act tough. Difference is probably that our police can do this, because of better physical training. Some of the police Ive seen on UK streets couldnt even handle a teenager. Also, not every police officer in Uk is allowed even to carry a taser. How a small police girl will arrest a guy? Just by asking pretty please? | |||
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"American police seem incredibly unprofessional, poorly trained and resort to violence way to quickly compared with uk and European police. They are also not held to account to the same extent as uk police. They get away with murder literally... Lol you ever been to Poland? Or Latvia? Czech Republic? There isn’t a police force in Europe that comes near the professionalism of the UK. Don’t lump ours in with them UK police has better funding and infrastructure, but the quality of the officers is low. More like social workers with uniforms. Limited powers created weak police force that can't deal with hardened criminals. Especially with organized crime in London etc. Also, very low requirements for physical training. I knew a little chubby girl who passed the physical training for police force to work on the streets and the only time she ran in her life was to get in time for the mcdonalds breakfast menu
Only some of the UK police force could be actually called police, the rest are just social workers in uniforms
Yes, but your perception of a ‘good’ police officer is an authoritarian nut case that breaks people’s legs for the littlest infraction of the law.
My point was the professionalism. There’s much less corruption in the UK and as I’ve stated previously, they police by consent, not force. More important than that, the police are a reflection of the society they represent. If UK police are ‘weak’ then it’s only because the citizenry they recruit from are.
No, you just assumed that's my perception. Police here knows how to inflict pain without breaking legs or leaving any marks. Good amount of pepper spray to the eyes while twisting the arms behind the back always works even on the toughest guys. And the good part is, they only do this to assholes who resist arrests and act tough.
Difference is probably that our police can do this, because of better physical training. Some of the police Ive seen on UK streets couldnt even handle a teenager. Also, not every police officer in Uk is allowed even to carry a taser. How a small police girl will arrest a guy? Just by asking pretty please?"You’ve made it clear in several threads that the police wherever it is that you live are quite happy to use physical force for the littlest provocation. That’s policing by force, not by consent. You’ve got a really poor source of information on the police in the UK if you think they don’t use arm bars or pava to subdue violent suspects. I’m probably what you’d call a ‘little girl’ and I arrested plenty of guys when I was in the job. Some of them resisted. I managed to do alright thank you very much. Oh and look up the statistics on taser. Fails about 60% of the time anyway so it’s not a cure all solution | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. it does not consider the fact that we are investing to much in forgien aid and defense of other countries for nothing in return. Why should the American tax payer have to burden ourselves with that fact. What return do we get ? Nothing... Those funds can be better spent on infrastructure and social programs that benefits the citizens. Not defunding the police. Let's defund everything else to satisfy a need. Tell me I am wrong. We have plenty of cities that can use the funding. But here we are being global police when we can't police our own because of a narrative.Letsbe truthful about this 47 billion is alot of money that can be applied to better trained officers better community functionality and yet I didn't even touch on the fact that we have the biggest defense budget protecting world interests. Nothing wrong in drawing a line in the proverbial sands for the greater good for our society. When did you get asked ro be the Global Police ? When the russians were threatening to carry on through Germany and take over all of Europe. Try opening both eyes and read a bit of history. The USA policy in some areas of the world have been questionable and not thought through but had they not been able to protect europe we would all been speaking Russian now and the freedom of speech you enjoy would not exist Not in the History books ive read does it state Russia was going to carry on through & takeover the rest of Europe . Can you point me in the direction of the books you have read that state this please . Many thanks . Did you miss the rise and fall of the USSR, do you think they would have stayed behind the iron curtain, did you miss all the countries that prior to WW2 were independent and free that afterwards were vassal states toRussia, did the allies continue to run germany, italy or japan after the war, did you miss the Cuban missile crisis where the world came to the brink of destruction, did you miss more recently the Ukraine and Crimea issues. The USSR tried to undermine the west and expand its empire, you must have missed the end of the ussr and a lot of stuff Are these all History books ive not read that you are quoting from ? I have read History books where Russia & The U.S divvied up Germany The yanks gave Japan loads of Money to help rebuild them after they were the only country to use 2 yes 2 atomic Bombs in anger . As for Cuba didnt the Russians just go to the aid of its communist friends to stop yet another American Invasion , its called the bay of pigs if you need to look it up . You should see what the yanks did to take influential control in South American countries like Chile El Salvador Panama & many others . Maybe read a book called "Audacity to believe " So what if Russia decided to invade a bunch of countries , Not like the U.K hasnt done it all in the Past is it . " The Allies did indeed split germany in two, one was controlled and run as a vassal state of Russia as were yugoslavia, Hungary,etc etc, the other half of germany was returned to democracy, which the uk and us protected by our military presence but took no part in the running of the country, japan was warned what would happen, even after the first one they refused, the deaths of those Japanese that died were on the hands of the Japanese rulers, at least as many would have died in retaking japan by conventional means plus many many more by starvation, when the world saw what a nuke could do it made both sides in the future hold back. | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. it does not consider the fact that we are investing to much in forgien aid and defense of other countries for nothing in return. Why should the American tax payer have to burden ourselves with that fact. What return do we get ? Nothing... Those funds can be better spent on infrastructure and social programs that benefits the citizens. Not defunding the police. Let's defund everything else to satisfy a need. Tell me I am wrong. We have plenty of cities that can use the funding. But here we are being global police when we can't police our own because of a narrative.Letsbe truthful about this 47 billion is alot of money that can be applied to better trained officers better community functionality and yet I didn't even touch on the fact that we have the biggest defense budget protecting world interests. Nothing wrong in drawing a line in the proverbial sands for the greater good for our society. When did you get asked ro be the Global Police ? When the russians were threatening to carry on through Germany and take over all of Europe. Try opening both eyes and read a bit of history. The USA policy in some areas of the world have been questionable and not thought through but had they not been able to protect europe we would all been speaking Russian now and the freedom of speech you enjoy would not exist Not in the History books ive read does it state Russia was going to carry on through & takeover the rest of Europe . Can you point me in the direction of the books you have read that state this please . Many thanks . Did you miss the rise and fall of the USSR, do you think they would have stayed behind the iron curtain, did you miss all the countries that prior to WW2 were independent and free that afterwards were vassal states toRussia, did the allies continue to run germany, italy or japan after the war, did you miss the Cuban missile crisis where the world came to the brink of destruction, did you miss more recently the Ukraine and Crimea issues. The USSR tried to undermine the west and expand its empire, you must have missed the end of the ussr and a lot of stuff Are these all History books ive not read that you are quoting from ? I have read History books where Russia & The U.S divvied up Germany The yanks gave Japan loads of Money to help rebuild them after they were the only country to use 2 yes 2 atomic Bombs in anger . As for Cuba didnt the Russians just go to the aid of its communist friends to stop yet another American Invasion , its called the bay of pigs if you need to look it up . You should see what the yanks did to take influential control in South American countries like Chile El Salvador Panama & many others . Maybe read a book called "Audacity to believe " So what if Russia decided to invade a bunch of countries , Not like the U.K hasnt done it all in the Past is it . The Allies did indeed split germany in two, one was controlled and run as a vassal state of Russia as were yugoslavia, Hungary,etc etc, the other half of germany was returned to democracy, which the uk and us protected by our military presence but took no part in the running of the country, japan was warned what would happen, even after the first one they refused, the deaths of those Japanese that died were on the hands of the Japanese rulers, at least as many would have died in retaking japan by conventional means plus many many more by starvation, when the world saw what a nuke could do it made both sides in the future hold back. " Seriously , you are blaming that Japanese for the atomic bombs . In that case the U.S is totally to blame for 9/11 As Muslims around the world warned them not to get Involved in Islamic Countries . Russia didnt run Yugoslavia or Hungary or Czechoslovakia Or the DDR , they had there own despots to do that . No need for help from Russia . I noticed you decided not to pursue the Bayy of Pigs Or the atrocities backed ny US $ in Chile Panama El Salvador etc . Good for you , ignorance is bliss ! | |||
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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. it does not consider the fact that we are investing to much in forgien aid and defense of other countries for nothing in return. Why should the American tax payer have to burden ourselves with that fact. What return do we get ? Nothing... Those funds can be better spent on infrastructure and social programs that benefits the citizens. Not defunding the police. Let's defund everything else to satisfy a need. Tell me I am wrong. We have plenty of cities that can use the funding. But here we are being global police when we can't police our own because of a narrative.Letsbe truthful about this 47 billion is alot of money that can be applied to better trained officers better community functionality and yet I didn't even touch on the fact that we have the biggest defense budget protecting world interests. Nothing wrong in drawing a line in the proverbial sands for the greater good for our society. When did you get asked ro be the Global Police ? When the russians were threatening to carry on through Germany and take over all of Europe. Try opening both eyes and read a bit of history. The USA policy in some areas of the world have been questionable and not thought through but had they not been able to protect europe we would all been speaking Russian now and the freedom of speech you enjoy would not exist Not in the History books ive read does it state Russia was going to carry on through & takeover the rest of Europe . Can you point me in the direction of the books you have read that state this please . Many thanks . Did you miss the rise and fall of the USSR, do you think they would have stayed behind the iron curtain, did you miss all the countries that prior to WW2 were independent and free that afterwards were vassal states toRussia, did the allies continue to run germany, italy or japan after the war, did you miss the Cuban missile crisis where the world came to the brink of destruction, did you miss more recently the Ukraine and Crimea issues. The USSR tried to undermine the west and expand its empire, you must have missed the end of the ussr and a lot of stuff Are these all History books ive not read that you are quoting from ? I have read History books where Russia & The U.S divvied up Germany The yanks gave Japan loads of Money to help rebuild them after they were the only country to use 2 yes 2 atomic Bombs in anger . As for Cuba didnt the Russians just go to the aid of its communist friends to stop yet another American Invasion , its called the bay of pigs if you need to look it up . You should see what the yanks did to take influential control in South American countries like Chile El Salvador Panama & many others . Maybe read a book called "Audacity to believe " So what if Russia decided to invade a bunch of countries , Not like the U.K hasnt done it all in the Past is it . The Allies did indeed split germany in two, one was controlled and run as a vassal state of Russia as were yugoslavia, Hungary,etc etc, the other half of germany was returned to democracy, which the uk and us protected by our military presence but took no part in the running of the country, japan was warned what would happen, even after the first one they refused, the deaths of those Japanese that died were on the hands of the Japanese rulers, at least as many would have died in retaking japan by conventional means plus many many more by starvation, when the world saw what a nuke could do it made both sides in the future hold back. Seriously , you are blaming that Japanese for the atomic bombs . In that case the U.S is totally to blame for 9/11 As Muslims around the world warned them not to get Involved in Islamic Countries . Russia didnt run Yugoslavia or Hungary or Czechoslovakia Or the DDR , they had there own despots to do that . No need for help from Russia . I noticed you decided not to pursue the Bayy of Pigs Or the atrocities backed ny US $ in Chile Panama El Salvador etc . Good for you , ignorance is bliss !" I dont disagree that the usa have got involved in south america in particular without thinking it through properly, I have only spent a short time in the states and from that it is easy to see that many domt know much about the outside world so it's easy to make assumptions on how others will react,Vietnam was another that the plan was never thought through and ended in embarrassment. However if you dont believe that the vassal states of eastern europe weren't controlled from Moscow then sorry but you are delusional, Hungary had an uprising in 56 result russian tanks to restore puppet government. As for Japan they started the fight with the Allies and were given plenty of warnings what would happen if they refused to surrender. 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"the police need a lot more money like the NHS It's a narrative played out in the media. Let's be honest here we have the biggest defense budget and the biggest forgien aid. That can be better spent elsewhere. I have spent a lot of time in the US and I can tell you that the whole structure of Policing there is atrocious. Defunding current structures and reviewing the entire nature of Policing would not be a bad thing in my opinion. For the benefit of U.K. readers these are some of the Policing structures in the US. City Police - funded locally and ultimately answerable to a local Mayor. In the U.K., that would be equivalent to a “Borough” Police. Cities in the US do not necessarily translate as people in the the U.K. understand as cities. City Police are poorly trained and in some parts of the US, City Police Officers face horrendous dangers every single time they go to work. County Police - colloquially known as Sherriffs. In the U.K., this would be akin for example, to places like Lancashire, Yorkshire and Humberside having their own Police separate to and over and above the aforementioned “Borough” Police. State Police - answerable ultimately to State Governors and with a responsibility for traffic and travel. In the U.K. this would be like having a National police force over and above the aforementioned “Borough” and County Police. Federal Law Enforcement - Agencies like the DEA, FBI and Homeland Security are National bodies of law enforcement which are funded directly by the US Govt. So you see, the structure of US Policing is fragmented, disorganised and badly in need of review. The irony is that whilst the upper echelons of Policing at a federal level are well organised and disciplined, with each step down the diligence is less robust and the City Police who are the bottom rung of the ladder are also the ones that face highly stressful and dangerous situations day in, day out. it does not consider the fact that we are investing to much in forgien aid and defense of other countries for nothing in return. Why should the American tax payer have to burden ourselves with that fact. What return do we get ? Nothing... Those funds can be better spent on infrastructure and social programs that benefits the citizens. Not defunding the police. Let's defund everything else to satisfy a need. Tell me I am wrong. We have plenty of cities that can use the funding. But here we are being global police when we can't police our own because of a narrative.Letsbe truthful about this 47 billion is alot of money that can be applied to better trained officers better community functionality and yet I didn't even touch on the fact that we have the biggest defense budget protecting world interests. Nothing wrong in drawing a line in the proverbial sands for the greater good for our society. When did you get asked ro be the Global Police ? When the russians were threatening to carry on through Germany and take over all of Europe. Try opening both eyes and read a bit of history. The USA policy in some areas of the world have been questionable and not thought through but had they not been able to protect europe we would all been speaking Russian now and the freedom of speech you enjoy would not exist Not in the History books ive read does it state Russia was going to carry on through & takeover the rest of Europe . Can you point me in the direction of the books you have read that state this please . Many thanks . Did you miss the rise and fall of the USSR, do you think they would have stayed behind the iron curtain, did you miss all the countries that prior to WW2 were independent and free that afterwards were vassal states toRussia, did the allies continue to run germany, italy or japan after the war, did you miss the Cuban missile crisis where the world came to the brink of destruction, did you miss more recently the Ukraine and Crimea issues. The USSR tried to undermine the west and expand its empire, you must have missed the end of the ussr and a lot of stuff Are these all History books ive not read that you are quoting from ? I have read History books where Russia & The U.S divvied up Germany The yanks gave Japan loads of Money to help rebuild them after they were the only country to use 2 yes 2 atomic Bombs in anger . As for Cuba didnt the Russians just go to the aid of its communist friends to stop yet another American Invasion , its called the bay of pigs if you need to look it up . You should see what the yanks did to take influential control in South American countries like Chile El Salvador Panama & many others . Maybe read a book called "Audacity to believe " So what if Russia decided to invade a bunch of countries , Not like the U.K hasnt done it all in the Past is it . The Allies did indeed split germany in two, one was controlled and run as a vassal state of Russia as were yugoslavia, Hungary,etc etc, the other half of germany was returned to democracy, which the uk and us protected by our military presence but took no part in the running of the country, japan was warned what would happen, even after the first one they refused, the deaths of those Japanese that died were on the hands of the Japanese rulers, at least as many would have died in retaking japan by conventional means plus many many more by starvation, when the world saw what a nuke could do it made both sides in the future hold back. Seriously , you are blaming that Japanese for the atomic bombs . In that case the U.S is totally to blame for 9/11 As Muslims around the world warned them not to get Involved in Islamic Countries . Russia didnt run Yugoslavia or Hungary or Czechoslovakia Or the DDR , they had there own despots to do that . No need for help from Russia . I noticed you decided not to pursue the Bayy of Pigs Or the atrocities backed ny US $ in Chile Panama El Salvador etc . Good for you , ignorance is bliss ! I dont disagree that the usa have got involved in south america in particular without thinking it through properly, I have only spent a short time in the states and from that it is easy to see that many domt know much about the outside world so it's easy to make assumptions on how others will react,Vietnam was another that the plan was never thought through and ended in embarrassment. However if you dont believe that the vassal states of eastern europe weren't controlled from Moscow then sorry but you are delusional, Hungary had an uprising in 56 result russian tanks to restore puppet government. As for Japan they started the fight with the Allies and were given plenty of warnings what would happen if they refused to surrender. I'm certainly not defending everything that the US has done since WW2 but had they not supported us in europe after the war things would be very different" Again the Japanese Empire was expanding , what is wrong with that The U.S supported us ? Im not part of the us equation , however the U.S economy boomed whilst britain went backwards after going broke during ww2 before indebting itself to the u.s for the next 50 years paying it back . As for puppet governments every empire has them . The U.S has installed puppet governments in Iraq Afghanistan & lots of atab areas of Concern . Same as in South America . Instead of us both going a round & round in circles i again ask the Original Question . Who asked the Yanks to be the Police force of the world ? Answer is:- nobody did . 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"some people read strange books, food had to be parachuted into areas surrounded by russian troops.... as they tried to starve them into submission.. sounds like a take over bid to me! They were only halted by allied lines...the USA providing shed loads of man power and shit tanks! " What strange book are you quoting this from ? | |||
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"Aircrews from the American, British, French,[3] Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and South African[4]:338 air forces flew over 200,000 sorties in one year, providing necessities such as fuel and food..... " All Germany would be under Putin's control now if without the Berlin airlifts. | |||
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"Aircrews from the American, British, French,[3] Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and South African[4]:338 air forces flew over 200,000 sorties in one year, providing necessities such as fuel and food..... " When was this ? | |||
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"Aircrews from the American, British, French,[3] Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and South African[4]:338 air forces flew over 200,000 sorties in one year, providing necessities such as fuel and food..... All Germany would be under Putin's control now if without the Berlin airlifts." Que ? | |||
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"Aircrews from the American, British, French,[3] Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and South African[4]:338 air forces flew over 200,000 sorties in one year, providing necessities such as fuel and food..... All Germany would be under Putin's control now if without the Berlin airlifts. Que ?" Really do you even know history ? | |||
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"Aircrews from the American, British, French,[3] Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and South African[4]:338 air forces flew over 200,000 sorties in one year, providing necessities such as fuel and food..... All Germany would be under Putin's control now if without the Berlin airlifts. Que ? Really do you even know history ?" They don’t really teach the Berlin Airlift in school tbh. Unless you choose to study the Cold War directly. I only knew about it because my partners grandad served during the operation. | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia." I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? " Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions. | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions." ......again, I don’t see anyone denying what the Allies did. Getting outraged about a none point again Lionel. | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions. ......again, I don’t see anyone denying what the Allies did. Getting outraged about a none point again Lionel. " Not outraged at all. Simply pointing out some people should do some actual research. | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions." We bombed Russia? Blimey when was this? Sounds mad. | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions." It has nothing to do with what happened during ww2 but about what occurred during the next several decades. The discussion has moved onto why the USA became the worlds police and in many ways the protector of western Europe from russian expansionist ideas | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions. It has nothing to do with what happened during ww2 but about what occurred during the next several decades. The discussion has moved onto why the USA became the worlds police and in many ways the protector of western Europe from russian expansionist ideas" I was responding to a specific post which said the Russians tried to stave the germans into submission. 1st of all the germans had already surrendered. And that the reason they were starving was because we had been pummeling berlin for months. | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions. It has nothing to do with what happened during ww2 but about what occurred during the next several decades. The discussion has moved onto why the USA became the worlds police and in many ways the protector of western Europe from russian expansionist ideas I was responding to a specific post which said the Russians tried to stave the germans into submission. 1st of all the germans had already surrendered. And that the reason they were starving was because we had been pummeling berlin for months." You know the airlift started in 1948 don’t you? The Airlift was to aid the CONTINUING recovery of Germany and to assist those victims of human rights abuses at the hands of the Russians. If anything the Russians treatment of the Germans was less to do with submission and more to do with oppression and punishment. | |||
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"Anyhow. Defunding bad. Investing heavily in social services housing and police gooooood. Reforming police also good. " 100% this Love how easily we get distracted here  | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions. It has nothing to do with what happened during ww2 but about what occurred during the next several decades. The discussion has moved onto why the USA became the worlds police and in many ways the protector of western Europe from russian expansionist ideas I was responding to a specific post which said the Russians tried to stave the germans into submission. 1st of all the germans had already surrendered. And that the reason they were starving was because we had been pummeling berlin for months. You know the airlift started in 1948 don’t you? The Airlift was to aid the CONTINUING recovery of Germany and to assist those victims of human rights abuses at the hands of the Russians. If anything the Russians treatment of the Germans was less to do with submission and more to do with oppression and punishment. " You are wasting your time mate you are now on the merry go round. | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions. It has nothing to do with what happened during ww2 but about what occurred during the next several decades. The discussion has moved onto why the USA became the worlds police and in many ways the protector of western Europe from russian expansionist ideas I was responding to a specific post which said the Russians tried to stave the germans into submission. 1st of all the germans had already surrendered. And that the reason they were starving was because we had been pummeling berlin for months. You know the airlift started in 1948 don’t you? The Airlift was to aid the CONTINUING recovery of Germany and to assist those victims of human rights abuses at the hands of the Russians. If anything the Russians treatment of the Germans was less to do with submission and more to do with oppression and punishment. You are wasting your time mate you are now on the merry go round. "Still those commies were a great bunch of lads though.  | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions. It has nothing to do with what happened during ww2 but about what occurred during the next several decades. The discussion has moved onto why the USA became the worlds police and in many ways the protector of western Europe from russian expansionist ideas I was responding to a specific post which said the Russians tried to stave the germans into submission. 1st of all the germans had already surrendered. And that the reason they were starving was because we had been pummeling berlin for months. You know the airlift started in 1948 don’t you? The Airlift was to aid the CONTINUING recovery of Germany and to assist those victims of human rights abuses at the hands of the Russians. If anything the Russians treatment of the Germans was less to do with submission and more to do with oppression and punishment. " For the 3rd and last time. I was responding to the line which said..and I quote..The Russians tried to starve the germans into submission | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions. It has nothing to do with what happened during ww2 but about what occurred during the next several decades. The discussion has moved onto why the USA became the worlds police and in many ways the protector of western Europe from russian expansionist ideas I was responding to a specific post which said the Russians tried to stave the germans into submission. 1st of all the germans had already surrendered. And that the reason they were starving was because we had been pummeling berlin for months. You know the airlift started in 1948 don’t you? The Airlift was to aid the CONTINUING recovery of Germany and to assist those victims of human rights abuses at the hands of the Russians. If anything the Russians treatment of the Germans was less to do with submission and more to do with oppression and punishment. You are wasting your time mate you are now on the merry go round.
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions. It has nothing to do with what happened during ww2 but about what occurred during the next several decades. The discussion has moved onto why the USA became the worlds police and in many ways the protector of western Europe from russian expansionist ideas I was responding to a specific post which said the Russians tried to stave the germans into submission. 1st of all the germans had already surrendered. And that the reason they were starving was because we had been pummeling berlin for months. You know the airlift started in 1948 don’t you? The Airlift was to aid the CONTINUING recovery of Germany and to assist those victims of human rights abuses at the hands of the Russians. If anything the Russians treatment of the Germans was less to do with submission and more to do with oppression and punishment. You are wasting your time mate you are now on the merry go round.
Still those commies were a great bunch of lads though. "As were the nazis in Russia. | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions. It has nothing to do with what happened during ww2 but about what occurred during the next several decades. The discussion has moved onto why the USA became the worlds police and in many ways the protector of western Europe from russian expansionist ideas I was responding to a specific post which said the Russians tried to stave the germans into submission. 1st of all the germans had already surrendered. And that the reason they were starving was because we had been pummeling berlin for months. You know the airlift started in 1948 don’t you? The Airlift was to aid the CONTINUING recovery of Germany and to assist those victims of human rights abuses at the hands of the Russians. If anything the Russians treatment of the Germans was less to do with submission and more to do with oppression and punishment. You are wasting your time mate you are now on the merry go round.
Still those commies were a great bunch of lads though.
As were the nazis in Russia."Where do you stand on the defunding or reforming of the police in the US Lionel? | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions. It has nothing to do with what happened during ww2 but about what occurred during the next several decades. The discussion has moved onto why the USA became the worlds police and in many ways the protector of western Europe from russian expansionist ideas I was responding to a specific post which said the Russians tried to stave the germans into submission. 1st of all the germans had already surrendered. And that the reason they were starving was because we had been pummeling berlin for months. You know the airlift started in 1948 don’t you? The Airlift was to aid the CONTINUING recovery of Germany and to assist those victims of human rights abuses at the hands of the Russians. If anything the Russians treatment of the Germans was less to do with submission and more to do with oppression and punishment. You are wasting your time mate you are now on the merry go round.
Still those commies were a great bunch of lads though.
As were the nazis in Russia.
Where do you stand on the defunding or reforming of the police in the US Lionel? "I dont particularly have an opinion tbh apart from,like I said previously, giving thick racists a gun and uniform, isnt a particularly great idea. | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions. It has nothing to do with what happened during ww2 but about what occurred during the next several decades. The discussion has moved onto why the USA became the worlds police and in many ways the protector of western Europe from russian expansionist ideas I was responding to a specific post which said the Russians tried to stave the germans into submission. 1st of all the germans had already surrendered. And that the reason they were starving was because we had been pummeling berlin for months. You know the airlift started in 1948 don’t you? The Airlift was to aid the CONTINUING recovery of Germany and to assist those victims of human rights abuses at the hands of the Russians. If anything the Russians treatment of the Germans was less to do with submission and more to do with oppression and punishment. You are wasting your time mate you are now on the merry go round.
Still those commies were a great bunch of lads though.
As were the nazis in Russia.
Where do you stand on the defunding or reforming of the police in the US Lionel?
I dont particularly have an opinion tbh apart from,like I said previously, giving thick racists a gun and uniform, isnt a particularly great idea."Don’t think anyone would disagree with that. Unless the implication is that all cops in America are thick racists? | |||
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"Aircrews from the American, British, French,[3] Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and South African[4]:338 air forces flew over 200,000 sorties in one year, providing necessities such as fuel and food..... All Germany would be under Putin's control now if without the Berlin airlifts. Que ? Really do you even know history ?" What has any kf that got to do with defunding the police & Again , Who asked yankee doodle doos to do it ? Nobody is who . Just yankee money making schemes Selling gums bombs planes & ships ro drop or fire bombs everywhere . Disgusting country for causing so much of the hatred in the World , just to make them wealthy ! | |||
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"Aircrews from the American, British, French,[3] Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and South African[4]:338 air forces flew over 200,000 sorties in one year, providing necessities such as fuel and food..... All Germany would be under Putin's control now if without the Berlin airlifts. Que ? Really do you even know history ? They don’t really teach the Berlin Airlift in school tbh. Unless you choose to study the Cold War directly. I only knew about it because my partners grandad served during the operation. " I know about the Berlin airlift . Maybe people need to look into the battle of stalingrad Rather than just glorifying the battle of the bulge alone . | |||
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"Aircrews from the American, British, French,[3] Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and South African[4]:338 air forces flew over 200,000 sorties in one year, providing necessities such as fuel and food..... All Germany would be under Putin's control now if without the Berlin airlifts. Que ? Really do you even know history ? They don’t really teach the Berlin Airlift in school tbh. Unless you choose to study the Cold War directly. I only knew about it because my partners grandad served during the operation. I know about the Berlin airlift . Maybe people need to look into the battle of stalingrad Rather than just glorifying the battle of the bulge alone . " Your views are coming across as unsound | |||
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"Aircrews from the American, British, French,[3] Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and South African[4]:338 air forces flew over 200,000 sorties in one year, providing necessities such as fuel and food..... All Germany would be under Putin's control now if without the Berlin airlifts. Que ? Really do you even know history ? They don’t really teach the Berlin Airlift in school tbh. Unless you choose to study the Cold War directly. I only knew about it because my partners grandad served during the operation. I know about the Berlin airlift . Maybe people need to look into the battle of stalingrad Rather than just glorifying the battle of the bulge alone . Your views are coming across as unsound " Whats that Fella ? Have you been out riding the Kiddie bike again ? | |||
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"Aircrews from the American, British, French,[3] Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and South African[4]:338 air forces flew over 200,000 sorties in one year, providing necessities such as fuel and food..... All Germany would be under Putin's control now if without the Berlin airlifts. Que ? Really do you even know history ? They don’t really teach the Berlin Airlift in school tbh. Unless you choose to study the Cold War directly. I only knew about it because my partners grandad served during the operation. I know about the Berlin airlift . Maybe people need to look into the battle of stalingrad Rather than just glorifying the battle of the bulge alone . Your views are coming across as unsound Whats that Fella ? Have you been out riding the Kiddie bike again ? " Pulling wheelies on his chopper | |||
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"Aircrews from the American, British, French,[3] Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and South African[4]:338 air forces flew over 200,000 sorties in one year, providing necessities such as fuel and food..... All Germany would be under Putin's control now if without the Berlin airlifts. Que ? Really do you even know history ? They don’t really teach the Berlin Airlift in school tbh. Unless you choose to study the Cold War directly. I only knew about it because my partners grandad served during the operation. I know about the Berlin airlift . Maybe people need to look into the battle of stalingrad Rather than just glorifying the battle of the bulge alone . " The ‘when was this?’ comment suggested you didn’t know about it. Not to worry. | |||
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"Aircrews from the American, British, French,[3] Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and South African[4]:338 air forces flew over 200,000 sorties in one year, providing necessities such as fuel and food..... All Germany would be under Putin's control now if without the Berlin airlifts. Que ? Really do you even know history ? They don’t really teach the Berlin Airlift in school tbh. Unless you choose to study the Cold War directly. I only knew about it because my partners grandad served during the operation. I know about the Berlin airlift . Maybe people need to look into the battle of stalingrad Rather than just glorifying the battle of the bulge alone . Your views are coming across as unsound Whats that Fella ? Have you been out riding the Kiddie bike again ? " When you reach a certain age, you're supposed to bin the Che Guevara t shirt and see the world for what it is | |||
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"Here was me thinking it was the allies who bombed the shit out of gernany when it turns out it was just rissia. I don’t see anyone denying the Allies bombed Germany? Apparently it was just the Russians who tried to starve them into submission. Absolutely nothing to do with round the clock anglo/American bombing missions. It has nothing to do with what happened during ww2 but about what occurred during the next several decades. The discussion has moved onto why the USA became the worlds police and in many ways the protector of western Europe from russian expansionist ideas I was responding to a specific post which said the Russians tried to stave the germans into submission. 1st of all the germans had already surrendered. And that the reason they were starving was because we had been pummeling berlin for months. You know the airlift started in 1948 don’t you? The Airlift was to aid the CONTINUING recovery of Germany and to assist those victims of human rights abuses at the hands of the Russians. If anything the Russians treatment of the Germans was less to do with submission and more to do with oppression and punishment. For the 3rd and last time. I was responding to the line which said..and I quote..The Russians tried to starve the germans into submission " Yes the germans in west Berlin which was landlocked by the east.this was long after the war finished and the cold war had begun | |||
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"Lenin's 151st birthday was being celebrated this weekend in Moscow for some reason lol" Prob something to do with being one of the greatest historical figures of the 20th century. We will prob do one here for Christopher grayling. | |||
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"Lenin's 151st birthday was being celebrated this weekend in Moscow for some reason lol Prob something to do with being one of the greatest historical figures of the 20th century. We will prob do one here for Christopher grayling." Blimey, some of the lefties criticise Empire but Lenin is a top bloke lol | |||
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"Lenin's 151st birthday was being celebrated this weekend in Moscow for some reason lol" 100 years of communism starting with that lovely man. And a 100 million dead. What’s not to celebrate. | |||
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"Lenin's 151st birthday was being celebrated this weekend in Moscow for some reason lol 100 years of communism starting with that lovely man. And a 100 million dead. What’s not to celebrate. " Although maybe only 1.3 million under Lenin so he wasn't that bad by comparison | |||
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"Lenin's 151st birthday was being celebrated this weekend in Moscow for some reason lol 100 years of communism starting with that lovely man. And a 100 million dead. What’s not to celebrate. Although maybe only 1.3 million under Lenin so he wasn't that bad by comparison " He was a positive teddy bear. I mean he only seized food from the poor causing a mass famine and mother’s to eat their own babies and dig up corpses. The benchmark for greatness. | |||
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"Lenin's 151st birthday was being celebrated this weekend in Moscow for some reason lol 100 years of communism starting with that lovely man. And a 100 million dead. What’s not to celebrate. " Can I have a read about where lenin killed 100 million people? Many thanks | |||
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"Lenin's 151st birthday was being celebrated this weekend in Moscow for some reason lol 100 years of communism starting with that lovely man. And a 100 million dead. What’s not to celebrate. Although maybe only 1.3 million under Lenin so he wasn't that bad by comparison He was a positive teddy bear. I mean he only seized food from the poor causing a mass famine and mother’s to eat their own babies and dig up corpses. The benchmark for greatness. "Erm. Wasnt that stalin? | |||
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"Lenin's 151st birthday was being celebrated this weekend in Moscow for some reason lol 100 years of communism starting with that lovely man. And a 100 million dead. What’s not to celebrate. Although maybe only 1.3 million under Lenin so he wasn't that bad by comparison He was a positive teddy bear. I mean he only seized food from the poor causing a mass famine and mother’s to eat their own babies and dig up corpses. The benchmark for greatness. "It's a weak sixth position behind Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler and Amin. | |||
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"Lenin's 151st birthday was being celebrated this weekend in Moscow for some reason lol 100 years of communism starting with that lovely man. And a 100 million dead. What’s not to celebrate. Although maybe only 1.3 million under Lenin so he wasn't that bad by comparison He was a positive teddy bear. I mean he only seized food from the poor causing a mass famine and mother’s to eat their own babies and dig up corpses. The benchmark for greatness. "Are you talking about Churchill in India/Pakistan in 1947 Or is this still about the Commies ? | |||
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"Lenin's 151st birthday was being celebrated this weekend in Moscow for some reason lol 100 years of communism starting with that lovely man. And a 100 million dead. What’s not to celebrate. Although maybe only 1.3 million under Lenin so he wasn't that bad by comparison He was a positive teddy bear. I mean he only seized food from the poor causing a mass famine and mother’s to eat their own babies and dig up corpses. The benchmark for greatness.
Are you talking about Churchill in India/Pakistan in 1947
Or is this still about the Commies ?"Or his position on chemical warfare. | |||
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"Lenin's 151st birthday was being celebrated this weekend in Moscow for some reason lol 100 years of communism starting with that lovely man. And a 100 million dead. What’s not to celebrate. Although maybe only 1.3 million under Lenin so he wasn't that bad by comparison He was a positive teddy bear. I mean he only seized food from the poor causing a mass famine and mother’s to eat their own babies and dig up corpses. The benchmark for greatness.
Are you talking about Churchill in India/Pakistan in 1947
Or is this still about the Commies ?"Well no not really. But if you want to bring Churchill in fine by me. I have no dog in the Churchill fight I’m not from the UK so I don’t get triggered about Winston. I have experience of the failure that is communism though and also experienced the very tale of end of a racist regime as well. So I can speak from experience. I was talking about commies but have at it. | |||
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"Lenin's 151st birthday was being celebrated this weekend in Moscow for some reason lol 100 years of communism starting with that lovely man. And a 100 million dead. What’s not to celebrate. Although maybe only 1.3 million under Lenin so he wasn't that bad by comparison He was a positive teddy bear. I mean he only seized food from the poor causing a mass famine and mother’s to eat their own babies and dig up corpses. The benchmark for greatness.
Are you talking about Churchill in India/Pakistan in 1947
Or is this still about the Commies ?
Well no not really. But if you want to bring Churchill in fine by me. I have no dog in the Churchill fight I’m not from the UK so I don’t get triggered about Winston.
I have experience of the failure that is communism though and also experienced the very tale of end of a racist regime as well. So I can speak from experience.
I was talking about commies but have at it. "*facist not racist. | |||
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