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"British immigrants sent home from Spain and other would be immigrants turned away at the airport as Spain uses the 90 day rule against British Citizens. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1417852/expat-news-brexit-latest-spain-return-eu-residence-rules Seems so unfair especially as a lot of these people voted for Brexit but did not expect the rules to apply to them. " And printed in the brexit Bible too. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back" Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim." They never said that! But let's concentrate on the facts, they do want tourists, so why did the eu make that more difficult ? | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim." Try reading what I wrote | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim. They never said that! But let's concentrate on the facts, they do want tourists, so why did the eu make that more difficult ?" The EU haven't stopped British tourists visiting Spain. More bizarre claims. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim.Try reading what I wrote" I did. I was making fun of you blaming the EU for some of the negative effects of Brexit. It's comical, if predictable. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim. They never said that! But let's concentrate on the facts, they do want tourists, so why did the eu make that more difficult ? The EU haven't stopped British tourists visiting Spain. More bizarre claims." What Boris made the 90 day rule? | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim. They never said that! But let's concentrate on the facts, they do want tourists, so why did the eu make that more difficult ? The EU haven't stopped British tourists visiting Spain. More bizarre claims. What Boris made the 90 day rule? " He championed brexit which removed the rights of British citizens to stay, live and work in the EU. We knew the rules. People voted for Brexit anyway. Probably best to blame everyone else though. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim.Try reading what I wrote I did. I was making fun of you blaming the EU for some of the negative effects of Brexit. It's comical, if predictable." You don't actually know what your on about, eu didn't have to stop anything, it was a choice they made, | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim.Try reading what I wrote I did. I was making fun of you blaming the EU for some of the negative effects of Brexit. It's comical, if predictable. You don't actually know what your on about, eu didn't have to stop anything, it was a choice they made, " The EU have rules for non-EU citizens. The UK voted to make us non-EU citizens. How's that?  | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim.Try reading what I wrote I did. I was making fun of you blaming the EU for some of the negative effects of Brexit. It's comical, if predictable. You don't actually know what your on about, eu didn't have to stop anything, it was a choice they made, The EU have rules for non-EU citizens. The UK voted to make us non-EU citizens. How's that? "There are 2 sides to negotiations, they choose to apply rules that limit their tourists! Brilliant lol all those uk citizens will spend money in UK instead and not in Spain. The EU rules were not made by God lol | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim.Try reading what I wrote I did. I was making fun of you blaming the EU for some of the negative effects of Brexit. It's comical, if predictable. You don't actually know what your on about, eu didn't have to stop anything, it was a choice they made, The EU have rules for non-EU citizens. The UK voted to make us non-EU citizens. How's that?
There are 2 sides to negotiations, they choose to apply rules that limit their tourists! Brilliant lol all those uk citizens will spend money in UK instead and not in Spain.
The EU rules were not made by God lol "Sure. But why would the EU or Spain care? It British citizens who are losing out. The EU are negotiating in their own interests. Not ours. Just to be clear. You can still go to Spain as a tourist (covid restricts allowing). | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim.Try reading what I wrote I did. I was making fun of you blaming the EU for some of the negative effects of Brexit. It's comical, if predictable. You don't actually know what your on about, eu didn't have to stop anything, it was a choice they made, The EU have rules for non-EU citizens. The UK voted to make us non-EU citizens. How's that?
There are 2 sides to negotiations, they choose to apply rules that limit their tourists! Brilliant lol all those uk citizens will spend money in UK instead and not in Spain.
The EU rules were not made by God lol
Sure. But why would the EU or Spain care?
It British citizens who are losing out. The EU are negotiating in their own interests. Not ours.
Just to be clear. You can still go to Spain as a tourist (covid restricts allowing)."Because spains biggest tourist market is brits, and Spain relies on tourism, I'm amazed you don't know that | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim.Try reading what I wrote I did. I was making fun of you blaming the EU for some of the negative effects of Brexit. It's comical, if predictable. You don't actually know what your on about, eu didn't have to stop anything, it was a choice they made, The EU have rules for non-EU citizens. The UK voted to make us non-EU citizens. How's that?
There are 2 sides to negotiations, they choose to apply rules that limit their tourists! Brilliant lol all those uk citizens will spend money in UK instead and not in Spain.
The EU rules were not made by God lol
Sure. But why would the EU or Spain care?
It British citizens who are losing out. The EU are negotiating in their own interests. Not ours.
Just to be clear. You can still go to Spain as a tourist (covid restricts allowing).
Because spains biggest tourist market is brits, and Spain relies on tourism, I'm amazed you don't know that"Just to be clear. You can still to to Spain as a tourist. This has not changed. So you don't need to worry about the Spanish tourism industry. If you're amazed that I don't know the number of tourists in Spain from different countries around the world. You will be ultra amazed at all the other shizz I don't know. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim.Try reading what I wrote I did. I was making fun of you blaming the EU for some of the negative effects of Brexit. It's comical, if predictable. You don't actually know what your on about, eu didn't have to stop anything, it was a choice they made, The EU have rules for non-EU citizens. The UK voted to make us non-EU citizens. How's that?
There are 2 sides to negotiations, they choose to apply rules that limit their tourists! Brilliant lol all those uk citizens will spend money in UK instead and not in Spain.
The EU rules were not made by God lol
Sure. But why would the EU or Spain care?
It British citizens who are losing out. The EU are negotiating in their own interests. Not ours.
Just to be clear. You can still go to Spain as a tourist (covid restricts allowing).
Because spains biggest tourist market is brits, and Spain relies on tourism, I'm amazed you don't know that"What a surprise. Yet another Brexiteer who keeps arguing a point despite not having a a clue in reality and continues to make false statements and assumptions to back up their claim. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim.Try reading what I wrote I did. I was making fun of you blaming the EU for some of the negative effects of Brexit. It's comical, if predictable. You don't actually know what your on about, eu didn't have to stop anything, it was a choice they made, The EU have rules for non-EU citizens. The UK voted to make us non-EU citizens. How's that? "Bang on the money - that is what it is lol The entire premise of Brexit was to break free of the EU - so now that has happened how can it possibly be any surprise that the rights and privileges that we had as members now don’t apply? I mean, it’s almost like a project fear was actually project reality all along. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim.Try reading what I wrote I did. I was making fun of you blaming the EU for some of the negative effects of Brexit. It's comical, if predictable. You don't actually know what your on about, eu didn't have to stop anything, it was a choice they made, The EU have rules for non-EU citizens. The UK voted to make us non-EU citizens. How's that?
There are 2 sides to negotiations, they choose to apply rules that limit their tourists! Brilliant lol all those uk citizens will spend money in UK instead and not in Spain.
The EU rules were not made by God lol
Sure. But why would the EU or Spain care?
It British citizens who are losing out. The EU are negotiating in their own interests. Not ours.
Just to be clear. You can still go to Spain as a tourist (covid restricts allowing).
Because spains biggest tourist market is brits, and Spain relies on tourism, I'm amazed you don't know that"Yet more British exceptionalism to go with the German car manufacturers and the Italian Prosecco producers If every Brit migrant was to be sent home from Spain and there were no British tourists to visit Spain It would constitute 1.8% of a loss of Spanish GDP Hardly a “reliance on British tourists” Nevermind the fact that the British are now a third county under what was negotiated Is this a surprise to you now or did you pass it off as “project fear” when it was being negotiated? | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Spanish people voted for Brexit? Bizarre claim.Try reading what I wrote I did. I was making fun of you blaming the EU for some of the negative effects of Brexit. It's comical, if predictable. You don't actually know what your on about, eu didn't have to stop anything, it was a choice they made, The EU have rules for non-EU citizens. The UK voted to make us non-EU citizens. How's that?
There are 2 sides to negotiations, they choose to apply rules that limit their tourists! Brilliant lol all those uk citizens will spend money in UK instead and not in Spain.
The EU rules were not made by God lol "Jeez, these people know less than we gave them credit for! Britain formed the rules for 3rd Party countries (us), we chose to Brexit, Boris forgot to read the details, his Dad became a French citizen to avoid the rules (I hear Boris is considering the same! 
Face it, they sold us a complete and utter pup, because they could mot give a toss about you or I. I’m angry because I saw it coming, you should be more angry as they played you  | |||
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"Now they'll never be able to spend their pensions in Spain and will have to spend it in cleethorps, that will teach those brexiteer fuckers lol" just to keep people on track of original post before they go into brexit land lol | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back" Think you’re proving something else to be honest. No they won’t be begging. The Germans, Dutch , Swedish and now the Russians again will happily fill the gap. The Russian tax system has been relaxed so now it’s ok to own a second home again. We don’t hold all the cards in Spain either so forget that nonsense. Maybe in the 70s and 80s. | |||
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"I would hazard a guess, that there are plenty of UK ex-pats in Spain, that voted Leave and continue to live there. They just followed the rules on continued residency. " It’s the private medical insurance that a lot are falling fowl of. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back" This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair! | |||
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"I would hazard a guess, that there are plenty of UK ex-pats in Spain, that voted Leave and continue to live there. They just followed the rules on continued residency. It’s the private medical insurance that a lot are falling fowl of. " Having seen "Bargain Brits In Benidorm", I can totally understand that! | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair! "Please stop using that racist term | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Think you’re proving something else to be honest. No they won’t be begging. The Germans, Dutch , Swedish and now the Russians again will happily fill the gap. The Russian tax system has been relaxed so now it’s ok to own a second home again. We don’t hold all the cards in Spain either so forget that nonsense. Maybe in the 70s and 80s. " Yeah I bet the Spanish can't wait to have the Russians invade lol. While thing is a complete non story debunked last month by people who know. Get your simple bits of paperwork in place and there's no issue. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term "Show me proof that the term is racist | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist "You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist "Now we've moved onto 'it's only a racist term if the left deem it so' I showed you the definition last week which states 'middle-aged white man' | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
Now we've moved onto 'it's only a racist term if the left deem it so'
I showed you the definition last week which states 'middle-aged white man'
"I have done my research, the term isn’t racist | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Think you’re proving something else to be honest. No they won’t be begging. The Germans, Dutch , Swedish and now the Russians again will happily fill the gap. The Russian tax system has been relaxed so now it’s ok to own a second home again. We don’t hold all the cards in Spain either so forget that nonsense. Maybe in the 70s and 80s. Yeah I bet the Spanish can't wait to have the Russians invade lol. While thing is a complete non story debunked last month by people who know. Get your simple bits of paperwork in place and there's no issue. " I’ve got a villa in Spain Chris . I know
As most of these people complaining are older and living on pensions the private medical is something they simply can’t afford . Add to that Private medical in Spain isn’t a cover all, the less well off simply can’t risk staying.
Some of them voted to end free movement and got exactly what they wanted . They should be happy and smiling on their return to the U.K. Maybe Farage will get some happy photos at Doncaster airport and basque in his success.
Sadly others happy to vote remain in Spain were caught up in others ignorance of the consequences.
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super "Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ? | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ? "I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left. "Can you show me genuine verified list of these ‘rules’? | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left. "Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist."It is one rule for one and one rule for another he is following all the rules of the snowflake right | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Can you show me genuine verified list of these ‘rules’? "Page 4 of the Woke Bible | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist."However often you say it doesn't make it a word  | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist.
However often you say it doesn't make it a word "Using the term woke (which means anti racist ) as an insult could be seen as being racist, what do you think? | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Can you show me genuine verified list of these ‘rules’?
Page 4 of the Woke Bible "Doesn’t exist, | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist.
However often you say it doesn't make it a word "Which of the words I used, are you claiming isn't a word? And what does this have to do with your irrational fear of people who aren't racist? | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist.
However often you say it doesn't make it a word
Using the term woke (which means anti racist ) as an insult could be seen as being racist, what do you think? "Could is a lovely useful little word isn't it. Anyone can just throw it in there when their argument has collapsed. It's like a reset word. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back Think you’re proving something else to be honest. No they won’t be begging. The Germans, Dutch , Swedish and now the Russians again will happily fill the gap. The Russian tax system has been relaxed so now it’s ok to own a second home again. We don’t hold all the cards in Spain either so forget that nonsense. Maybe in the 70s and 80s. Yeah I bet the Spanish can't wait to have the Russians invade lol. While thing is a complete non story debunked last month by people who know. Get your simple bits of paperwork in place and there's no issue. I’ve got a villa in Spain Chris . I know
As most of these people complaining are older and living on pensions the private medical is something they simply can’t afford . Add to that Private medical in Spain isn’t a cover all, the less well off simply can’t risk staying.
Some of them voted to end free movement and got exactly what they wanted . They should be happy and smiling on their return to the U.K. Maybe Farage will get some happy photos at Doncaster airport and basque in his success.
Sadly others happy to vote remain in Spain were caught up in others ignorance of the consequences.
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist.
However often you say it doesn't make it a word
Using the term woke (which means anti racist ) as an insult could be seen as being racist, what do you think?
Could is a lovely useful little word isn't it.
Anyone can just throw it in there when their argument has collapsed. It's like a reset word. "What argument has "collapsed"? Are we not allowed to discuss your fear of non-racists? Is this going to go like the other thread where only anti-anti-racists are allowed to express their freedom of speech and everyone else has to stay away or stay quiet? | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist.
However often you say it doesn't make it a word
Using the term woke (which means anti racist ) as an insult could be seen as being racist, what do you think?
Could is a lovely useful little word isn't it.
Anyone can just throw it in there when their argument has collapsed. It's like a reset word.
What argument has "collapsed"?
Are we not allowed to discuss your fear of non-racists?
Is this going to go like the other thread where only anti-anti-racists are allowed to express their freedom of speech and everyone else has to stay away or stay quiet?"In English? | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist.
However often you say it doesn't make it a word
Using the term woke (which means anti racist ) as an insult could be seen as being racist, what do you think?
Could is a lovely useful little word isn't it.
Anyone can just throw it in there when their argument has collapsed. It's like a reset word. "Of course, could is vague and is meaningless hence why the word gammon isn’t racist . | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist.
However often you say it doesn't make it a word
Using the term woke (which means anti racist ) as an insult could be seen as being racist, what do you think?
Could is a lovely useful little word isn't it.
Anyone can just throw it in there when their argument has collapsed. It's like a reset word.
What argument has "collapsed"?
Are we not allowed to discuss your fear of non-racists?
Is this going to go like the other thread where only anti-anti-racists are allowed to express their freedom of speech and everyone else has to stay away or stay quiet?
In English? "This was plain English. Simple questions. You seem to have upped your attacks on people who are not racist. Just looking for some clarification as to if you think non-racists should still be allowed to post on this thread. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist.
However often you say it doesn't make it a word
Using the term woke (which means anti racist ) as an insult could be seen as being racist, what do you think?
Could is a lovely useful little word isn't it.
Anyone can just throw it in there when their argument has collapsed. It's like a reset word.
What argument has "collapsed"?
Are we not allowed to discuss your fear of non-racists?
Is this going to go like the other thread where only anti-anti-racists are allowed to express their freedom of speech and everyone else has to stay away or stay quiet?
In English?
This was plain English.
Simple questions.
You seem to have upped your attacks on people who are not racist. Just looking for some clarification as to if you think non-racists should still be allowed to post on this thread."I've got you on ignore at least until you stick to the OED. You are butchering the language of Shakespeare. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist.
However often you say it doesn't make it a word
Using the term woke (which means anti racist ) as an insult could be seen as being racist, what do you think?
Could is a lovely useful little word isn't it.
Anyone can just throw it in there when their argument has collapsed. It's like a reset word.
What argument has "collapsed"?
Are we not allowed to discuss your fear of non-racists?
Is this going to go like the other thread where only anti-anti-racists are allowed to express their freedom of speech and everyone else has to stay away or stay quiet?
In English?
This was plain English.
Simple questions.
You seem to have upped your attacks on people who are not racist. Just looking for some clarification as to if you think non-racists should still be allowed to post on this thread.
I've got you on ignore at least until you stick to the OED. You are butchering the language of Shakespeare. "So instead of engaging in the debate you attack the way someone chooses to write their points? | |||
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"Its very simple if you wanted to live in Spain there was plenty of time to apply for the appropriate paperwork just like it was for eu citizens wanting to stay in the uk. Now if people were too busy drinking sangria and laying in the sun rather than jumping through all the hoops Spanish bureaucratic departments require thats up to them. I know lots of people who have and have had no problems whatsoever. This is true too. Does seem that some people had no clue what they were voting for though." FFRREEEEEDDDDDOOOOOMMMMMM or something I dont know | |||
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"Its very simple if you wanted to live in Spain there was plenty of time to apply for the appropriate paperwork just like it was for eu citizens wanting to stay in the uk. Now if people were too busy drinking sangria and laying in the sun rather than jumping through all the hoops Spanish bureaucratic departments require thats up to them. I know lots of people who have and have had no problems whatsoever. This is true too. Does seem that some people had no clue what they were voting for though." Are you telling me all these people voted leave ? | |||
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"Its very simple if you wanted to live in Spain there was plenty of time to apply for the appropriate paperwork just like it was for eu citizens wanting to stay in the uk. Now if people were too busy drinking sangria and laying in the sun rather than jumping through all the hoops Spanish bureaucratic departments require thats up to them. I know lots of people who have and have had no problems whatsoever. This is true too. Does seem that some people had no clue what they were voting for though.Are you telling me all these people voted leave ? " He said SOME people you said ALL people... so no | |||
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"Its very simple if you wanted to live in Spain there was plenty of time to apply for the appropriate paperwork just like it was for eu citizens wanting to stay in the uk. Now if people were too busy drinking sangria and laying in the sun rather than jumping through all the hoops Spanish bureaucratic departments require thats up to them. I know lots of people who have and have had no problems whatsoever. This is true too. Does seem that some people had no clue what they were voting for though.Are you telling me all these people voted leave ? " Plot twist lol Remainer prejudices coming to the fore, attention on deck | |||
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"Its very simple if you wanted to live in Spain there was plenty of time to apply for the appropriate paperwork just like it was for eu citizens wanting to stay in the uk. Now if people were too busy drinking sangria and laying in the sun rather than jumping through all the hoops Spanish bureaucratic departments require thats up to them. I know lots of people who have and have had no problems whatsoever. " This | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist.
However often you say it doesn't make it a word
Using the term woke (which means anti racist ) as an insult could be seen as being racist, what do you think?
Could is a lovely useful little word isn't it.
Anyone can just throw it in there when their argument has collapsed. It's like a reset word.
What argument has "collapsed"?
Are we not allowed to discuss your fear of non-racists?
Is this going to go like the other thread where only anti-anti-racists are allowed to express their freedom of speech and everyone else has to stay away or stay quiet?
In English?
This was plain English.
Simple questions.
You seem to have upped your attacks on people who are not racist. Just looking for some clarification as to if you think non-racists should still be allowed to post on this thread.
I've got you on ignore at least until you stick to the OED. You are butchering the language of Shakespeare.
So instead of engaging in the debate you attack the way someone chooses to write their points?"Only with certain people if their dubious communication skills cause me to grind my teeth. Can't get past it. | |||
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"Its very simple if you wanted to live in Spain there was plenty of time to apply for the appropriate paperwork just like it was for eu citizens wanting to stay in the uk. Now if people were too busy drinking sangria and laying in the sun rather than jumping through all the hoops Spanish bureaucratic departments require thats up to them. I know lots of people who have and have had no problems whatsoever. This is true too. Does seem that some people had no clue what they were voting for though.Are you telling me all these people voted leave ? " Some of them did, is what I'm saying. | |||
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"It is the stupid Spanish losing money they need talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Spanish are truly stupid this is proof. Eventually they will beg these people to go back This is just peak gammon......
I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
Show me proof that the term is racist
You're alright mate, one rule for one, one for another, super
Are you offended by the word ‘gammon’ ?
I'm not, but you've been told others are, that should be enough for you according to the rules of the left.
Hey why the U-turn? You're usually ranting and raving about non-racists being not racist.
However often you say it doesn't make it a word
Using the term woke (which means anti racist ) as an insult could be seen as being racist, what do you think?
Could is a lovely useful little word isn't it.
Anyone can just throw it in there when their argument has collapsed. It's like a reset word.
What argument has "collapsed"?
Are we not allowed to discuss your fear of non-racists?
Is this going to go like the other thread where only anti-anti-racists are allowed to express their freedom of speech and everyone else has to stay away or stay quiet?
In English?
This was plain English.
Simple questions.
You seem to have upped your attacks on people who are not racist. Just looking for some clarification as to if you think non-racists should still be allowed to post on this thread.
I've got you on ignore at least until you stick to the OED. You are butchering the language of Shakespeare.
So instead of engaging in the debate you attack the way someone chooses to write their points?
Only with certain people if their dubious communication skills cause me to grind my teeth. Can't get past it. "Okay. So no more questions about your fear of non-racists? Even when you go on rants about them. | |||
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"Its very simple if you wanted to live in Spain there was plenty of time to apply for the appropriate paperwork just like it was for eu citizens wanting to stay in the uk. Now if people were too busy drinking sangria and laying in the sun rather than jumping through all the hoops Spanish bureaucratic departments require thats up to them. I know lots of people who have and have had no problems whatsoever. This is true too. Does seem that some people had no clue what they were voting for though.Are you telling me all these people voted leave ? He said SOME people you said ALL people... so no" Yes sorry should have been clearer i mean all of the some he was talking about  .Its not like it was a secret and sprung on people there was plenty of information out there and you only had to look at the rules for people outside the eu to know they would apply to yourself once the uk left.Thats why i sold my house out there asap i knew once we left i would be classed as an extranjero and have to pay more tax. | |||
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"Its very simple if you wanted to live in Spain there was plenty of time to apply for the appropriate paperwork just like it was for eu citizens wanting to stay in the uk. Now if people were too busy drinking sangria and laying in the sun rather than jumping through all the hoops Spanish bureaucratic departments require thats up to them. I know lots of people who have and have had no problems whatsoever. This is true too. Does seem that some people had no clue what they were voting for though.Are you telling me all these people voted leave ? He said SOME people you said ALL people... so noYes sorry should have been clearer i mean all of the some he was talking about .Its not like it was a secret and sprung on people there was plenty of information out there and you only had to look at the rules for people outside the eu to know they would apply to yourself once the uk left.Thats why i sold my house out there asap i knew once we left i would be classed as an extranjero and have to pay more tax. "Yeah. Some British expats were surprised about the impact of Brexit on their lives abroad. Those people specifically, didn't seem to know what they voted for. I have no comments on anyone else at this time. | |||
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"This story is days old and most likely bullshit anyway. There is no problem in Spain if you have done what you should have regarding residency. This is just another divisive brexit thread, some on here seem to like posting these, no debate, same personal attacks by the same people, same people trying to ram there version of what is and what should be down everyone else's throat. Sooner it makes 175 and closes the better." | |||
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"It was only to be expected that the EU were going to chuck the toys out of the pram once Brexit was finalised. Wrap it up any which way you like but it really is punishment for telling them where to stick their federalist dream. Now they are flapping around digging up obscure rules that haven't been enforced (on anyone) for years. Truckers ham sandwiches anyone? Banning shellfish from Britain's "polluted" waters. The same "polluted" waters that they fought tooth and nail to be able to carry on fishing. Of course it is only to be expected that the Spanish would exploit Covid to flex their muscles. Why not? At the moment they have nothing to lose, there would be no British holidaymakers anyway. Let's see how they behave when tourism opens up again. Benidorm and Marbella empty and Bodrum and Marmaris full might just focus a few minds." The issue was not about tourism though was it? I have no doubt that tourism will open up again, but the only issue I perceive will be the Daily Mail “Fury at....” (passport controls, health insurance checks or something like that). The big issue will be to come when the ETIAS system comes into play and people start to get rejection notices because of historical blemishes and misdemeanours. This issue is about British property owners in Spain who are now faced with a number of issues that are so obvious, we even discussed them right here on Fab over the last several years. 90/180 - prevents snowbirding over the whole of the winter. Health Insurance - insurance by default excludes pre-existing conditions and most people who can afford a home in Sin (or France/Italy etc) are going to be at an age where they will (at best) be starting to get health conditions. Their insurance will start to become more expensive snd they will have exclusions. | |||
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"It was only to be expected that the EU were going to chuck the toys out of the pram once Brexit was finalised. Wrap it up any which way you like but it really is punishment for telling them where to stick their federalist dream. Now they are flapping around digging up obscure rules that haven't been enforced (on anyone) for years. Truckers ham sandwiches anyone? Banning shellfish from Britain's "polluted" waters. The same "polluted" waters that they fought tooth and nail to be able to carry on fishing. Of course it is only to be expected that the Spanish would exploit Covid to flex their muscles. Why not? At the moment they have nothing to lose, there would be no British holidaymakers anyway. Let's see how they behave when tourism opens up again. Benidorm and Marbella empty and Bodrum and Marmaris full might just focus a few minds. The issue was not about tourism though was it? I have no doubt that tourism will open up again, but the only issue I perceive will be the Daily Mail “Fury at....” (passport controls, health insurance checks or something like that). The big issue will be to come when the ETIAS system comes into play and people start to get rejection notices because of historical blemishes and misdemeanours. This issue is about British property owners in Spain who are now faced with a number of issues that are so obvious, we even discussed them right here on Fab over the last several years. 90/180 - prevents snowbirding over the whole of the winter. Health Insurance - insurance by default excludes pre-existing conditions and most people who can afford a home in Sin (or France/Italy etc) are going to be at an age where they will (at best) be starting to get health conditions. Their insurance will start to become more expensive snd they will have exclusions." Hardly controversial to pay for your healthcare if its a system you haven't paid into. Fuss about nothing. | |||
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"It was only to be expected that the EU were going to chuck the toys out of the pram once Brexit was finalised. Wrap it up any which way you like but it really is punishment for telling them where to stick their federalist dream. Now they are flapping around digging up obscure rules that haven't been enforced (on anyone) for years. Truckers ham sandwiches anyone? Banning shellfish from Britain's "polluted" waters. The same "polluted" waters that they fought tooth and nail to be able to carry on fishing. Of course it is only to be expected that the Spanish would exploit Covid to flex their muscles. Why not? At the moment they have nothing to lose, there would be no British holidaymakers anyway. Let's see how they behave when tourism opens up again. Benidorm and Marbella empty and Bodrum and Marmaris full might just focus a few minds. The issue was not about tourism though was it? I have no doubt that tourism will open up again, but the only issue I perceive will be the Daily Mail “Fury at....” (passport controls, health insurance checks or something like that). The big issue will be to come when the ETIAS system comes into play and people start to get rejection notices because of historical blemishes and misdemeanours. This issue is about British property owners in Spain who are now faced with a number of issues that are so obvious, we even discussed them right here on Fab over the last several years. 90/180 - prevents snowbirding over the whole of the winter. Health Insurance - insurance by default excludes pre-existing conditions and most people who can afford a home in Sin (or France/Italy etc) are going to be at an age where they will (at best) be starting to get health conditions. Their insurance will start to become more expensive snd they will have exclusions." What is wrong in not wanting convicted criminals in your country? this was another problem with free movement criminals had free reign to go where they liked to commit crime. | |||
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"It was only to be expected that the EU were going to chuck the toys out of the pram once Brexit was finalised. Wrap it up any which way you like but it really is punishment for telling them where to stick their federalist dream. Now they are flapping around digging up obscure rules that haven't been enforced (on anyone) for years. Truckers ham sandwiches anyone? Banning shellfish from Britain's "polluted" waters. The same "polluted" waters that they fought tooth and nail to be able to carry on fishing. Of course it is only to be expected that the Spanish would exploit Covid to flex their muscles. Why not? At the moment they have nothing to lose, there would be no British holidaymakers anyway. Let's see how they behave when tourism opens up again. Benidorm and Marbella empty and Bodrum and Marmaris full might just focus a few minds. The issue was not about tourism though was it? I have no doubt that tourism will open up again, but the only issue I perceive will be the Daily Mail “Fury at....” (passport controls, health insurance checks or something like that). The big issue will be to come when the ETIAS system comes into play and people start to get rejection notices because of historical blemishes and misdemeanours. This issue is about British property owners in Spain who are now faced with a number of issues that are so obvious, we even discussed them right here on Fab over the last several years. 90/180 - prevents snowbirding over the whole of the winter. Health Insurance - insurance by default excludes pre-existing conditions and most people who can afford a home in Sin (or France/Italy etc) are going to be at an age where they will (at best) be starting to get health conditions. Their insurance will start to become more expensive snd they will have exclusions.What is wrong in not wanting convicted criminals in your country? this was another problem with free movement criminals had free reign to go where they liked to commit crime." Nothing is wrong at all. I imagine however that there will be a not insignificant number of people who previously enjoyed a hassle free weekend in Benidorm or Malaga might just start have difficulties. | |||
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"It was only to be expected that the EU were going to chuck the toys out of the pram once Brexit was finalised. Wrap it up any which way you like but it really is punishment for telling them where to stick their federalist dream. Now they are flapping around digging up obscure rules that haven't been enforced (on anyone) for years. Truckers ham sandwiches anyone? Banning shellfish from Britain's "polluted" waters. The same "polluted" waters that they fought tooth and nail to be able to carry on fishing. Of course it is only to be expected that the Spanish would exploit Covid to flex their muscles. Why not? At the moment they have nothing to lose, there would be no British holidaymakers anyway. Let's see how they behave when tourism opens up again. Benidorm and Marbella empty and Bodrum and Marmaris full might just focus a few minds. The issue was not about tourism though was it? I have no doubt that tourism will open up again, but the only issue I perceive will be the Daily Mail “Fury at....” (passport controls, health insurance checks or something like that). The big issue will be to come when the ETIAS system comes into play and people start to get rejection notices because of historical blemishes and misdemeanours. This issue is about British property owners in Spain who are now faced with a number of issues that are so obvious, we even discussed them right here on Fab over the last several years. 90/180 - prevents snowbirding over the whole of the winter. Health Insurance - insurance by default excludes pre-existing conditions and most people who can afford a home in Sin (or France/Italy etc) are going to be at an age where they will (at best) be starting to get health conditions. Their insurance will start to become more expensive snd they will have exclusions. Hardly controversial to pay for your healthcare if its a system you haven't paid into. Fuss about nothing. " Except that before they didn’t need to and this thread is about changes. Suddenly having to pay for private health insurance, for example as a couple in their 60’s and prove a minimum income is a big change. Then again - fuck them, and fuck the fishermen too, and the farmers and as for N Ireland - fuck them too - we will just promise them a bridge or something. Fuck everyone who doesn’t believe in unicorns and sunlit uplands and fuck them even if they do and they subsequently become casualties of the cause. | |||
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I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
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I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
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I thought same, racist
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I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
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"It was only to be expected that the EU were going to chuck the toys out of the pram once Brexit was finalised. Wrap it up any which way you like but it really is punishment for telling them where to stick their federalist dream. Now they are flapping around digging up obscure rules that haven't been enforced (on anyone) for years. Truckers ham sandwiches anyone? Banning shellfish from Britain's "polluted" waters. The same "polluted" waters that they fought tooth and nail to be able to carry on fishing. Of course it is only to be expected that the Spanish would exploit Covid to flex their muscles. Why not? At the moment they have nothing to lose, there would be no British holidaymakers anyway. Let's see how they behave when tourism opens up again. Benidorm and Marbella empty and Bodrum and Marmaris full might just focus a few minds. The issue was not about tourism though was it? I have no doubt that tourism will open up again, but the only issue I perceive will be the Daily Mail “Fury at....” (passport controls, health insurance checks or something like that). The big issue will be to come when the ETIAS system comes into play and people start to get rejection notices because of historical blemishes and misdemeanours. This issue is about British property owners in Spain who are now faced with a number of issues that are so obvious, we even discussed them right here on Fab over the last several years. 90/180 - prevents snowbirding over the whole of the winter. Health Insurance - insurance by default excludes pre-existing conditions and most people who can afford a home in Sin (or France/Italy etc) are going to be at an age where they will (at best) be starting to get health conditions. Their insurance will start to become more expensive snd they will have exclusions. Hardly controversial to pay for your healthcare if its a system you haven't paid into. Fuss about nothing. Exactly why those “freeloading” pensioners have to come home . You do know with free movement they got free healthcare to a point. That’s the problem they now have to pay for their own . Not all those on the costas have deep pockets whether they are ill or not! It was cheaper to live on their pensions in Spain as houses were cheaper and more plentiful. Less clothing as it’s hot!! Less heating bills etc etc Nicer climate and plenty of fresh healthy food. Sad they now have to move back here to the cold expensive U.K. . But as I said a lot voted for it so will be happy. " That's your prejudice about the sort of people who you think voted for Brexit. And their healthcare was far from free, its part of what used to cost the UK 9 billion a year. | |||
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"I live in Spain and have residencia. It was free and was easy to get. Anyone who spends more than half their time in Spain can apply for residencia. With residencia comes an obligation to pay Spanish tax. That has been the same, both pre-Brexit and post-Brexit. Accordingly, many have chosen to 'live under the radar' to avoid tax. To protect their legal rights people are now having to 'break cover' and apply for residencia. Some of these people are choosing not to pay Spanish tax and are returning to the UK. The 90-day rule wasn't changed by Brexit...but some bitter Remainers are trying to sow confusion "It was leavers on this thread who seemed to think the EU has imposed the 90 day rule for no reason. | |||
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"I live in Spain and have residencia. It was free and was easy to get. Anyone who spends more than half their time in Spain can apply for residencia. With residencia comes an obligation to pay Spanish tax. That has been the same, both pre-Brexit and post-Brexit. Accordingly, many have chosen to 'live under the radar' to avoid tax. To protect their legal rights people are now having to 'break cover' and apply for residencia. Some of these people are choosing not to pay Spanish tax and are returning to the UK. The 90-day rule wasn't changed by Brexit...but some bitter Remainers are trying to sow confusion "You won't get an answer from the usual remainer crew here, they don't like inconvenient facts | |||
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I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
I thought same, racist
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"I live in Spain and have residencia. It was free and was easy to get. Anyone who spends more than half their time in Spain can apply for residencia. With residencia comes an obligation to pay Spanish tax. That has been the same, both pre-Brexit and post-Brexit. Accordingly, many have chosen to 'live under the radar' to avoid tax. To protect their legal rights people are now having to 'break cover' and apply for residencia. Some of these people are choosing not to pay Spanish tax and are returning to the UK. The 90-day rule wasn't changed by Brexit...but some bitter Remainers are trying to sow confusion
It was leavers on this thread who seemed to think the EU has imposed the 90 day rule for no reason.
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"I live in Spain and have residencia. It was free and was easy to get. Anyone who spends more than half their time in Spain can apply for residencia. With residencia comes an obligation to pay Spanish tax. That has been the same, both pre-Brexit and post-Brexit. Accordingly, many have chosen to 'live under the radar' to avoid tax. To protect their legal rights people are now having to 'break cover' and apply for residencia. Some of these people are choosing not to pay Spanish tax and are returning to the UK. The 90-day rule wasn't changed by Brexit...but some bitter Remainers are trying to sow confusion
It was leavers on this thread who seemed to think the EU has imposed the 90 day rule for no reason.
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I mean how very dare they apply a rule against us that we are using on them! It’s so unfair!
Please stop using that racist term
I thought same, racist
On the other thread you were championing the posters who implied that non-racists should not have freedom of speech.
Now it seems like you're suddenly against racism.
Which is it? "oh youre back to just making up conversations and you own weird interpretation of anything said lol cut and paste the thread where i said anyone cant have free speech, you cant coz your talking shit once again | |||
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"Google.... gammon is slang for and then tell me all those sources are wrong lol It isn’t a racist term . Do you think using the term woke (which means anti racism) as an insult is racist? cant read? all those sources lying? or you know better lol What sources? Do you think using the term woke as insult is racist? " its no good ignoring the question, google... gammon is slang for.... and a whole bunch of sites will tell you.. is that too difficult for you? | |||
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"Google.... gammon is slang for and then tell me all those sources are wrong lol It isn’t a racist term . Do you think using the term woke (which means anti racism) as an insult is racist? cant read? all those sources lying? or you know better lol What sources? Do you think using the term woke as insult is racist? its no good ignoring the question, google... gammon is slang for.... and a whole bunch of sites will tell you.. is that too difficult for you?" It isn’t racist, I will ask again, do ‘you’ think using the term woke as an insult is racist? | |||
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"I live in Spain and have residencia. It was free and was easy to get. Anyone who spends more than half their time in Spain can apply for residencia. With residencia comes an obligation to pay Spanish tax. That has been the same, both pre-Brexit and post-Brexit. Accordingly, many have chosen to 'live under the radar' to avoid tax. To protect their legal rights people are now having to 'break cover' and apply for residencia. Some of these people are choosing not to pay Spanish tax and are returning to the UK. The 90-day rule wasn't changed by Brexit...but some bitter Remainers are trying to sow confusion "Exactly mate you have hit the nail on the head. | |||
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"Google.... gammon is slang for and then tell me all those sources are wrong lol It isn’t a racist term . Do you think using the term woke (which means anti racism) as an insult is racist? cant read? all those sources lying? or you know better lol What sources? Do you think using the term woke as insult is racist? its no good ignoring the question, google... gammon is slang for.... and a whole bunch of sites will tell you.. is that too difficult for you? It isn’t racist, I will ask again, do ‘you’ think using the term woke as an insult is racist? " so using google is to difficult for you, when you learn to use it and check what ive said is true you can apologize, | |||
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"It was inevitable going to happened with brexit as rule changes. I am not sure why people are surprised." I want to add that it is not a punishment, it was already going to happened as britain have left the club, so noone should really be surprised about it. | |||
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"I've very limited sympathy for people who haven't applied for residencia. The Spanish and UK governments are acting in a spirit of reciprocation to protect everyone's rights. The Spanish government has said officially that they are not actively looking for people living illegally...but at the point at which they find them they have to adhere to the law. It means they can apply for residencia and be liable to Spanish tax or, after 90 days, they can return to the UK. I think that's very fair. Some people, a minority, are choosing to return to the UK. Even then they can continue to spend six months a year in Spain. There's too much political nonsense being made about this "As is always the case with anything to do with brexit. Any story can be weaponised on either side of the debate. Im sick of it. Been reading this thread from the start knowing exactly the facts that you’ve pointed out (wolfs mother has applied for residency herself) and just watched people turn to insults and vitriol again and again. Over a non issue. | |||
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"I've very limited sympathy for people who haven't applied for residencia. The Spanish and UK governments are acting in a spirit of reciprocation to protect everyone's rights. The Spanish government has said officially that they are not actively looking for people living illegally...but at the point at which they find them they have to adhere to the law. It means they can apply for residencia and be liable to Spanish tax or, after 90 days, they can return to the UK. I think that's very fair. Some people, a minority, are choosing to return to the UK. Even then they can continue to spend six months a year in Spain. There's too much political nonsense being made about this "Exactly and my guess is most of them who are complaining have never or intend to spend 6 months a year in spain anyway. | |||
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"Google.... gammon is slang for and then tell me all those sources are wrong lol It isn’t a racist term . Do you think using the term woke (which means anti racism) as an insult is racist? cant read? all those sources lying? or you know better lol What sources? Do you think using the term woke as insult is racist? its no good ignoring the question, google... gammon is slang for.... and a whole bunch of sites will tell you.. is that too difficult for you? It isn’t racist, I will ask again, do ‘you’ think using the term woke as an insult is racist? so using google is to difficult for you, when you learn to use it and check what ive said is true you can apologize, " I have used google , gammon isn’t racist, I will ask again, is using the term woke as an insult racist? | |||
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"Google.... gammon is slang for and then tell me all those sources are wrong lol It isn’t a racist term . Do you think using the term woke (which means anti racism) as an insult is racist? cant read? all those sources lying? or you know better lol What sources? Do you think using the term woke as insult is racist? its no good ignoring the question, google... gammon is slang for.... and a whole bunch of sites will tell you.. is that too difficult for you? It isn’t racist, I will ask again, do ‘you’ think using the term woke as an insult is racist? so using google is to difficult for you, when you learn to use it and check what ive said is true you can apologize, I have used google , gammon isn’t racist, I will ask again, is using the term woke as an insult racist? " It is mate just apologise and move on,no big deal.  | |||
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"Google.... gammon is slang for and then tell me all those sources are wrong lol It isn’t a racist term . Do you think using the term woke (which means anti racism) as an insult is racist? cant read? all those sources lying? or you know better lol What sources? Do you think using the term woke as insult is racist? its no good ignoring the question, google... gammon is slang for.... and a whole bunch of sites will tell you.. is that too difficult for you? It isn’t racist, I will ask again, do ‘you’ think using the term woke as an insult is racist? so using google is to difficult for you, when you learn to use it and check what ive said is true you can apologize, I have used google , gammon isn’t racist, I will ask again, is using the term woke as an insult racist? It is mate just apologise and move on,no big deal. "It isn’t, I haven’t used the term on this thread so I have no need to apologise . I will ask you the same question that is proving difficult to answer, is using the term woke as an insult racist? | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. " well put mate saved me replying. | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. " Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed " It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. " Gammon as an insult is certainly not a racist term . Back to the OP | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. Gammon as an insult is certainly not a racist term . Back to the OP " Ok chief, whatever you say | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. Gammon as an insult is certainly not a racist term . Back to the OP " I think we've all agreed the OP is made up nonsense not worthy of further discussion | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. " "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. | |||
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"It was only to be expected that the EU were going to chuck the toys out of the pram once Brexit was finalised. Wrap it up any which way you like but it really is punishment for telling them where to stick their federalist dream. Now they are flapping around digging up obscure rules that haven't been enforced (on anyone) for years. Truckers ham sandwiches anyone? Banning shellfish from Britain's "polluted" waters. The same "polluted" waters that they fought tooth and nail to be able to carry on fishing. Of course it is only to be expected that the Spanish would exploit Covid to flex their muscles. Why not? At the moment they have nothing to lose, there would be no British holidaymakers anyway. Let's see how they behave when tourism opens up again. Benidorm and Marbella empty and Bodrum and Marmaris full might just focus a few minds. The issue was not about tourism though was it? I have no doubt that tourism will open up again, but the only issue I perceive will be the Daily Mail “Fury at....” (passport controls, health insurance checks or something like that). The big issue will be to come when the ETIAS system comes into play and people start to get rejection notices because of historical blemishes and misdemeanours. This issue is about British property owners in Spain who are now faced with a number of issues that are so obvious, we even discussed them right here on Fab over the last several years. 90/180 - prevents snowbirding over the whole of the winter. Health Insurance - insurance by default excludes pre-existing conditions and most people who can afford a home in Sin (or France/Italy etc) are going to be at an age where they will (at best) be starting to get health conditions. Their insurance will start to become more expensive snd they will have exclusions. Hardly controversial to pay for your healthcare if its a system you haven't paid into. Fuss about nothing. Exactly why those “freeloading” pensioners have to come home . You do know with free movement they got free healthcare to a point. That’s the problem they now have to pay for their own . Not all those on the costas have deep pockets whether they are ill or not! It was cheaper to live on their pensions in Spain as houses were cheaper and more plentiful. Less clothing as it’s hot!! Less heating bills etc etc Nicer climate and plenty of fresh healthy food. Sad they now have to move back here to the cold expensive U.K. . But as I said a lot voted for it so will be happy. That's your prejudice about the sort of people who you think voted for Brexit. And their healthcare was far from free, its part of what used to cost the UK 9 billion a year. " Ha ha not notice the sarcasm Chris you must be slipping. Did you miss the fact I have a villa there ?? Whether we pay here or there in tax or memberships we pay but it was free to the end user ie the mostly elderly. Now to stay they have to pay. The costs were cross charged between countries using the health card I system I believe but open to being corrected by someone with better knowledge . | |||
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"Google.... gammon is slang for and then tell me all those sources are wrong lol It isn’t a racist term . Do you think using the term woke (which means anti racism) as an insult is racist? cant read? all those sources lying? or you know better lol What sources? Do you think using the term woke as insult is racist? its no good ignoring the question, google... gammon is slang for.... and a whole bunch of sites will tell you.. is that too difficult for you? It isn’t racist, I will ask again, do ‘you’ think using the term woke as an insult is racist? so using google is to difficult for you, when you learn to use it and check what ive said is true you can apologize, I have used google , gammon isn’t racist, I will ask again, is using the term woke as an insult racist? " youre just lying now, anyone on here can google it and see you are... youre just avoiding info that you wish to ignore and trying to just apply what you want... sad really | |||
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"Google.... gammon is slang for and then tell me all those sources are wrong lol It isn’t a racist term . Do you think using the term woke (which means anti racism) as an insult is racist? cant read? all those sources lying? or you know better lol What sources? Do you think using the term woke as insult is racist? its no good ignoring the question, google... gammon is slang for.... and a whole bunch of sites will tell you.. is that too difficult for you? It isn’t racist, I will ask again, do ‘you’ think using the term woke as an insult is racist? so using google is to difficult for you, when you learn to use it and check what ive said is true you can apologize, I have used google , gammon isn’t racist, I will ask again, is using the term woke as an insult racist? youre just lying now, anyone on here can google it and see you are... youre just avoiding info that you wish to ignore and trying to just apply what you want... sad really" Gammon isn’t a racist term, back to the OP | |||
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"I've very limited sympathy for people who haven't applied for residencia. The Spanish and UK governments are acting in a spirit of reciprocation to protect everyone's rights. The Spanish government has said officially that they are not actively looking for people living illegally...but at the point at which they find them they have to adhere to the law. It means they can apply for residencia and be liable to Spanish tax or, after 90 days, they can return to the UK. I think that's very fair. Some people, a minority, are choosing to return to the UK. Even then they can continue to spend six months a year in Spain. There's too much political nonsense being made about this "Obviously you are not personally affected so it’s not bothering you. Regarding your points. Those who would like to stay also need to prove wealth or income which they can’t in many cases don’t have. As for leaving your house empty for six months that in itself is fraught with risk. Squatters have very strong rights in Spain so trying to get them out is not easy and definitely not quick . Empty furnished houses attract squatters . Just another question Where do those coming back for six months live?? A lot of people can’t afford two houses. So have no choice but to move back. | |||
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"and you promised not to use phrase if asked not to and youve been asked by people not to but still carry on so youre a liar, and weve done that conversation before to!" I haven’t used the term since, have a read, back to the OP | |||
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"It was only to be expected that the EU were going to chuck the toys out of the pram once Brexit was finalised. Wrap it up any which way you like but it really is punishment for telling them where to stick their federalist dream. Now they are flapping around digging up obscure rules that haven't been enforced (on anyone) for years. Truckers ham sandwiches anyone? Banning shellfish from Britain's "polluted" waters. The same "polluted" waters that they fought tooth and nail to be able to carry on fishing. Of course it is only to be expected that the Spanish would exploit Covid to flex their muscles. Why not? At the moment they have nothing to lose, there would be no British holidaymakers anyway. Let's see how they behave when tourism opens up again. Benidorm and Marbella empty and Bodrum and Marmaris full might just focus a few minds. The issue was not about tourism though was it? I have no doubt that tourism will open up again, but the only issue I perceive will be the Daily Mail “Fury at....” (passport controls, health insurance checks or something like that). The big issue will be to come when the ETIAS system comes into play and people start to get rejection notices because of historical blemishes and misdemeanours. This issue is about British property owners in Spain who are now faced with a number of issues that are so obvious, we even discussed them right here on Fab over the last several years. 90/180 - prevents snowbirding over the whole of the winter. Health Insurance - insurance by default excludes pre-existing conditions and most people who can afford a home in Sin (or France/Italy etc) are going to be at an age where they will (at best) be starting to get health conditions. Their insurance will start to become more expensive snd they will have exclusions. Hardly controversial to pay for your healthcare if its a system you haven't paid into. Fuss about nothing. Exactly why those “freeloading” pensioners have to come home . You do know with free movement they got free healthcare to a point. That’s the problem they now have to pay for their own . Not all those on the costas have deep pockets whether they are ill or not! It was cheaper to live on their pensions in Spain as houses were cheaper and more plentiful. Less clothing as it’s hot!! Less heating bills etc etc Nicer climate and plenty of fresh healthy food. Sad they now have to move back here to the cold expensive U.K. . But as I said a lot voted for it so will be happy. That's your prejudice about the sort of people who you think voted for Brexit. And their healthcare was far from free, its part of what used to cost the UK 9 billion a year. Ha ha not notice the sarcasm Chris you must be slipping. Did you miss the fact I have a villa there ?? Whether we pay here or there in tax or memberships we pay but it was free to the end user ie the mostly elderly. Now to stay they have to pay. The costs were cross charged between countries using the health card I system I believe but open to being corrected by someone with better knowledge . " Before if you got treated in Spain they wanted your E111 and billed the NHS accordingly. As an expat, you are currently entitled to free state healthcare if you are: Resident in Spain and work in employment or self-employment and pay social security contributions or a state pensioner.Hope this clears up the confusion about people who have gone down the legal route and have residency. | |||
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"I've very limited sympathy for people who haven't applied for residencia. The Spanish and UK governments are acting in a spirit of reciprocation to protect everyone's rights. The Spanish government has said officially that they are not actively looking for people living illegally...but at the point at which they find them they have to adhere to the law. It means they can apply for residencia and be liable to Spanish tax or, after 90 days, they can return to the UK. I think that's very fair. Some people, a minority, are choosing to return to the UK. Even then they can continue to spend six months a year in Spain. There's too much political nonsense being made about this
Obviously you are not personally affected so it’s not bothering you.
Regarding your points.
Those who would like to stay also need to prove wealth or income which they can’t in many cases don’t have.
As for leaving your house empty for six months that in itself is fraught with risk.
Squatters have very strong rights in Spain so trying to get them out is not easy and definitely not quick . Empty furnished houses attract squatters .
Just another question
Where do those coming back for six months live?? A lot of people can’t afford two houses. So have no choice but to move back.
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists." I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? " It is the same source where you will find proof that the term gammon is racist | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? " Yeah obviously I am not going to try to find some published piece to prove this. And presumably some people use this word "woke" out of context. Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Why else would anyone use this as an insult. As if not being racist is a bad thing. | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. Gammon as an insult is certainly not a racist term . Back to the OP I think we've all agreed the OP is made up nonsense not worthy of further discussion " How could you be so rude about the Express ?? Sacrilege for a Brexiteer surely!!!! As we all know some Brexit voters definitely had no clue this would happen. Business had no rules until the week before and so a load of ex pats were definitely not up the list of priorities . Then again the only priority this government had was get Brexit done . What Brexit actually was they blatantly had no idea. | |||
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"People wouldn't just fly to Japan and announce that they were going to live there. Why do they think they can do so in Spain? The Spanish have been generous. They allow people to stay for up to six months per year. Any more though and people have to apply for residencia. I think that's fair. "Totally if you’re not in the EU free movement area. Shame people didn’t get what taking back control of our borders actually meant. | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? Yeah obviously I am not going to try to find some published piece to prove this. And presumably some people use this word "woke" out of context. Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Why else would anyone use this as an insult. As if not being racist is a bad thing." As I’ve outlined further up the thread. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ as cultish and a form of mania. There are stark contradictions within the idea of intersectionality that ‘woke’ represents bordering on hypocrisy. The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back....a lot of people see these things as regressive. So yeah, they use woke as an insult. I’d argue it’s less to do with a desire to ‘want’ to be racist and more a frustration that the very vocal minority is dominating the meek and mild majority with head blowing nonsense. | |||
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"People wouldn't just fly to Japan and announce that they were going to live there. Why do they think they can do so in Spain? The Spanish have been generous. They allow people to stay for up to six months per year. Any more though and people have to apply for residencia. I think that's fair.
Totally if you’re not in the EU free movement area.
Shame people didn’t get what taking back control of our borders actually meant. "
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Shame people didn’t get what taking back control of our borders actually meant. "I think they did but you are always going to get some people in society who are either unable to understand due to lack of education or those who are just chancers and dont give a toss. Which i think are a very small minority and cant be used for making a point as we have no way of knowing which way they voted or wanted the vote to go. | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? Yeah obviously I am not going to try to find some published piece to prove this. And presumably some people use this word "woke" out of context. Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Why else would anyone use this as an insult. As if not being racist is a bad thing. As I’ve outlined further up the thread. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ as cultish and a form of mania. There are stark contradictions within the idea of intersectionality that ‘woke’ represents bordering on hypocrisy. The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back....a lot of people see these things as regressive. So yeah, they use woke as an insult. I’d argue it’s less to do with a desire to ‘want’ to be racist and more a frustration that the very vocal minority is dominating the meek and mild majority with head blowing nonsense. " Now you've done it | |||
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"It was only to be expected that the EU were going to chuck the toys out of the pram once Brexit was finalised. Wrap it up any which way you like but it really is punishment for telling them where to stick their federalist dream. Now they are flapping around digging up obscure rules that haven't been enforced (on anyone) for years. Truckers ham sandwiches anyone? Banning shellfish from Britain's "polluted" waters. The same "polluted" waters that they fought tooth and nail to be able to carry on fishing. Of course it is only to be expected that the Spanish would exploit Covid to flex their muscles. Why not? At the moment they have nothing to lose, there would be no British holidaymakers anyway. Let's see how they behave when tourism opens up again. Benidorm and Marbella empty and Bodrum and Marmaris full might just focus a few minds. Why will it stop tourists from going to Benidorm or Marbella? You got what you voted for , stop moaning " I'm not the one doing the moaning. As I said "only to be expected" I expected the EU to chuck the toys out of the pram and they have done it. Nothing to moan about. Personally (away from on 24 hour rolling news that is) I've hardly noticed Brexit. A couple of extra forms to fill in for the town hall in Germany and bacon is a bit more expensive here in Spain. I think it was always pretty obvious what they were going to do. I expect (note "expect") that it will be a bit shitty for another year or so for some things then things will settle down. Merkel will be gone soon and possibly (hopefully) Macron not long after. Always look on the bright side of life. | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? Yeah obviously I am not going to try to find some published piece to prove this. And presumably some people use this word "woke" out of context. Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Why else would anyone use this as an insult. As if not being racist is a bad thing. As I’ve outlined further up the thread. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ as cultish and a form of mania. There are stark contradictions within the idea of intersectionality that ‘woke’ represents bordering on hypocrisy. The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back....a lot of people see these things as regressive. So yeah, they use woke as an insult. I’d argue it’s less to do with a desire to ‘want’ to be racist and more a frustration that the very vocal minority is dominating the meek and mild majority with head blowing nonsense. " This is interesting. People on here specifically use the dictionary definition of woke as an insult though. And the vocal majority are definitely those who want to silence, cancel and remove freedom of speech from those they deem (dictionary definition of) woke. We have very different perspectives. Talking about any of the following: "The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back". Is likely to have you labelled "woke". It's just another method used by the far right to attempt to discredit anyone with a progressive viewpoint. Which is why I always take the dictionary definition. For reference, look at any of the threads on here with "woke" in the title. | |||
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"Gammon: Why is the term being used to insult Brexiteers and ...https://www.independent.co.uk › UK › UK Politics 15 May 2018 — Dickens actually intended the phrase “gammon tendency” to mean “bogus” or ”disingenuous” but Mr Gregsbury otherwise perfectly matches the ... Gammon (insult) - Wikipedia go google, less yap more reading.... Where does it say it is racist ? Back to the OP selecting random things from a newspaper now dear oh dear just admit you was wrong ffs. Gammon is a pejorative popularised in British political culture since around 2012. The term refers in particular to the colour of a white person's flushed face when expressing their strong opinions, as compared to the type of pork of the same name. It isn’t racist, do you think the term ‘white as a ghost ‘ when somebody is frightened is racist ? Literally nobody says that Nobody says ‘white as a ghost’ ? Maybe in 1970 Grandpa "1970? | |||
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"People wouldn't just fly to Japan and announce that they were going to live there. Why do they think they can do so in Spain? The Spanish have been generous. They allow people to stay for up to six months per year. Any more though and people have to apply for residencia. I think that's fair.
Totally if you’re not in the EU free movement area.
Shame people didn’t get what taking back control of our borders actually meant.
We all understood what taking control of borders meant...apart from those who are now deliberately misrepresenting things "So why are the ex pats complaining if they understood ? They didn’t complain before !! They actually voted in many cases for what they are now complaining about saying they didn’t know what would happen so how did they actually know and yet vote the wrong way for their interests . You’re not making sense . Also the deal wasn’t done until the last min so please explain how anyone knew this detail?? Or are you as with many Brexiteers just talking the one stop story of the reason for your vote which was immigration? You had no idea what the deal was so I’m sssuming you just guessed at everything else? | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? Yeah obviously I am not going to try to find some published piece to prove this. And presumably some people use this word "woke" out of context. Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Why else would anyone use this as an insult. As if not being racist is a bad thing. As I’ve outlined further up the thread. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ as cultish and a form of mania. There are stark contradictions within the idea of intersectionality that ‘woke’ represents bordering on hypocrisy. The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back....a lot of people see these things as regressive. So yeah, they use woke as an insult. I’d argue it’s less to do with a desire to ‘want’ to be racist and more a frustration that the very vocal minority is dominating the meek and mild majority with head blowing nonsense. This is interesting. People on here specifically use the dictionary definition of woke as an insult though. And the vocal majority are definitely those who want to silence, cancel and remove freedom of speech from those they deem (dictionary definition of) woke. We have very different perspectives. Talking about any of the following: "The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back". Is likely to have you labelled "woke". It's just another method used by the far right to attempt to discredit anyone with a progressive viewpoint. Which is why I always take the dictionary definition. For reference, look at any of the threads on here with "woke" in the title." Therein lies your perception of it in your response tho. You seem to be quick to see any criticism of ‘wokism’ as the exclusive domain of the ‘far right’. I don’t. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to criticise and pull apart ideas that I and other critics find regressive. I’ve not seen the attempted restriction of free speech here that you refer to. My experience has been the opposite. Myself and others I’ve talked to privately have been reported and blocked for being critical of ‘wokism’. But ultimately I don’t see using ‘woke’ as an insult as racist. I do see ‘gammon’ as racist as it’s used to specifically insult a particular race or skin colour, which is a protected characteristic (even if you want to believe Britain is a white supremacist state), ergo at its most base level it is racist. I don’t think it’s productive however, to insult anyone in any discussion. To me that’s when the debate is lost. | |||
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"People wouldn't just fly to Japan and announce that they were going to live there. Why do they think they can do so in Spain? The Spanish have been generous. They allow people to stay for up to six months per year. Any more though and people have to apply for residencia. I think that's fair.
Totally if you’re not in the EU free movement area.
Shame people didn’t get what taking back control of our borders actually meant. I think they did but you are always going to get some people in society who are either unable to understand due to lack of education or those who are just chancers and dont give a toss. Which i think are a very small minority and cant be used for making a point as we have no way of knowing which way they voted or wanted the vote to go. "I disagree Costa I think most who voted leave in Spain we’re looking at the closing of borders as a way to keep immigrants out of the U.K. and to re-live some utopia of a kingdom that only ever really existed in their imagination. Why would they vote for something which would ruin their lifestyle? A lot who voted leave then woke up to what stopping free movement meant which was they couldn’t move freely either which was a total shock. There are all types of people in Spain so I don’t think education was the issue I think ignorance of the facts and reality of the benefits given to them by being part of the EU was blatantly missing form the leave rhetoric. The Spanish have been very generous in ignoring brits living without any serious attempt at residency but now they are imposing rules we wanted back in place as other third countries have. We really have no ground for complaints. It’s just more of the wonderful oven ready deal. Some bloody oven that was!! It is such a shame for those who would like to stay but can’t . I genuinely feel for them as it’s a good way to live compared to being in the U.K. for a lot of people. | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? Yeah obviously I am not going to try to find some published piece to prove this. And presumably some people use this word "woke" out of context. Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Why else would anyone use this as an insult. As if not being racist is a bad thing. As I’ve outlined further up the thread. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ as cultish and a form of mania. There are stark contradictions within the idea of intersectionality that ‘woke’ represents bordering on hypocrisy. The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back....a lot of people see these things as regressive. So yeah, they use woke as an insult. I’d argue it’s less to do with a desire to ‘want’ to be racist and more a frustration that the very vocal minority is dominating the meek and mild majority with head blowing nonsense. This is interesting. People on here specifically use the dictionary definition of woke as an insult though. And the vocal majority are definitely those who want to silence, cancel and remove freedom of speech from those they deem (dictionary definition of) woke. We have very different perspectives. Talking about any of the following: "The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back". Is likely to have you labelled "woke". It's just another method used by the far right to attempt to discredit anyone with a progressive viewpoint. Which is why I always take the dictionary definition. For reference, look at any of the threads on here with "woke" in the title. Therein lies your perception of it in your response tho. You seem to be quick to see any criticism of ‘wokism’ as the exclusive domain of the ‘far right’. I don’t. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to criticise and pull apart ideas that I and other critics find regressive. I’ve not seen the attempted restriction of free speech here that you refer to. My experience has been the opposite. Myself and others I’ve talked to privately have been reported and blocked for being critical of ‘wokism’. But ultimately I don’t see using ‘woke’ as an insult as racist. I do see ‘gammon’ as racist as it’s used to specifically insult a particular race or skin colour, which is a protected characteristic (even if you want to believe Britain is a white supremacist state), ergo at its most base level it is racist. I don’t think it’s productive however, to insult anyone in any discussion. To me that’s when the debate is lost. " People get blocked here for all kinds of things. I've been banned for the opposite reasons you have. Criticism of ideas, even anti-racism is good. But the reality is, we get insulted and criticised constantly for not being racist. People have argued that they're using some reimagined meaning for the word "woke", which is silly. Just use normal words to describe what the objection is to someone's view points. If you choose to look at the threads with "woke" in the title, you'll see people getting angry and confused about a school kids poem, a story in the Express about Rule Britannia being banned, which turned out to be bullshit. The people who start these threads have absolutely zero interest in the real issues that exist in this country, and have allowed the right wing media to distract them with these non-stories. The same people who participate in these anti-woke rants are also the people who don't think it's important that Floyd George was killed. As an example. So while people use "woke" as an insult, I'm going to assume they're using the dictionary definition. I don't use "gammon" and don't have it used against me, so I don't have much to comment on it. | |||
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"People wouldn't just fly to Japan and announce that they were going to live there. Why do they think they can do so in Spain? The Spanish have been generous. They allow people to stay for up to six months per year. Any more though and people have to apply for residencia. I think that's fair.
Totally if you’re not in the EU free movement area.
Shame people didn’t get what taking back control of our borders actually meant. I think they did but you are always going to get some people in society who are either unable to understand due to lack of education or those who are just chancers and dont give a toss. Which i think are a very small minority and cant be used for making a point as we have no way of knowing which way they voted or wanted the vote to go.
I disagree Costa
I think most who voted leave in Spain we’re looking at the closing of borders as a way to keep immigrants out of the U.K. and to re-live some utopia of a kingdom that only ever really existed in their imagination. Why would they vote for something which would ruin their lifestyle?
A lot who voted leave then woke up to what stopping free movement meant which was they couldn’t move freely either which was a total shock.
There are all types of people in Spain so I don’t think education was the issue I think ignorance of the facts and reality of the benefits given to them by being part of the EU was blatantly missing form the leave rhetoric.
The Spanish have been very generous in ignoring brits living without any serious attempt at residency but now they are imposing rules we wanted back in place as other third countries have. We really have no ground for complaints. It’s just more of the wonderful oven ready deal. Some bloody oven that was!!
It is such a shame for those who would like to stay but can’t . I genuinely feel for them as it’s a good way to live compared to being in the U.K. for a lot of people.
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? Yeah obviously I am not going to try to find some published piece to prove this. And presumably some people use this word "woke" out of context. Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Why else would anyone use this as an insult. As if not being racist is a bad thing. As I’ve outlined further up the thread. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ as cultish and a form of mania. There are stark contradictions within the idea of intersectionality that ‘woke’ represents bordering on hypocrisy. The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back....a lot of people see these things as regressive. So yeah, they use woke as an insult. I’d argue it’s less to do with a desire to ‘want’ to be racist and more a frustration that the very vocal minority is dominating the meek and mild majority with head blowing nonsense. This is interesting. People on here specifically use the dictionary definition of woke as an insult though. And the vocal majority are definitely those who want to silence, cancel and remove freedom of speech from those they deem (dictionary definition of) woke. We have very different perspectives. Talking about any of the following: "The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back". Is likely to have you labelled "woke". It's just another method used by the far right to attempt to discredit anyone with a progressive viewpoint. Which is why I always take the dictionary definition. For reference, look at any of the threads on here with "woke" in the title. Therein lies your perception of it in your response tho. You seem to be quick to see any criticism of ‘wokism’ as the exclusive domain of the ‘far right’. I don’t. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to criticise and pull apart ideas that I and other critics find regressive. I’ve not seen the attempted restriction of free speech here that you refer to. My experience has been the opposite. Myself and others I’ve talked to privately have been reported and blocked for being critical of ‘wokism’. But ultimately I don’t see using ‘woke’ as an insult as racist. I do see ‘gammon’ as racist as it’s used to specifically insult a particular race or skin colour, which is a protected characteristic (even if you want to believe Britain is a white supremacist state), ergo at its most base level it is racist. I don’t think it’s productive however, to insult anyone in any discussion. To me that’s when the debate is lost. People get blocked here for all kinds of things. I've been banned for the opposite reasons you have. Criticism of ideas, even anti-racism is good. But the reality is, we get insulted and criticised constantly for not being racist. People have argued that they're using some reimagined meaning for the word "woke", which is silly. Just use normal words to describe what the objection is to someone's view points. If you choose to look at the threads with "woke" in the title, you'll see people getting angry and confused about a school kids poem, a story in the Express about Rule Britannia being banned, which turned out to be bullshit. The people who start these threads have absolutely zero interest in the real issues that exist in this country, and have allowed the right wing media to distract them with these non-stories. The same people who participate in these anti-woke rants are also the people who don't think it's important that Floyd George was killed. As an example. So while people use "woke" as an insult, I'm going to assume they're using the dictionary definition. I don't use "gammon" and don't have it used against me, so I don't have much to comment on it." Rule Britannia was banned. The student who wrote it was banned. Ergo Rule Britannia is banned by the University. A lot of us are beginning to wonder why you are so obsessed, utterly obsessed, by race. | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? Yeah obviously I am not going to try to find some published piece to prove this. And presumably some people use this word "woke" out of context. Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Why else would anyone use this as an insult. As if not being racist is a bad thing. As I’ve outlined further up the thread. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ as cultish and a form of mania. There are stark contradictions within the idea of intersectionality that ‘woke’ represents bordering on hypocrisy. The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back....a lot of people see these things as regressive. So yeah, they use woke as an insult. I’d argue it’s less to do with a desire to ‘want’ to be racist and more a frustration that the very vocal minority is dominating the meek and mild majority with head blowing nonsense. This is interesting. People on here specifically use the dictionary definition of woke as an insult though. And the vocal majority are definitely those who want to silence, cancel and remove freedom of speech from those they deem (dictionary definition of) woke. We have very different perspectives. Talking about any of the following: "The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back". Is likely to have you labelled "woke". It's just another method used by the far right to attempt to discredit anyone with a progressive viewpoint. Which is why I always take the dictionary definition. For reference, look at any of the threads on here with "woke" in the title. Therein lies your perception of it in your response tho. You seem to be quick to see any criticism of ‘wokism’ as the exclusive domain of the ‘far right’. I don’t. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to criticise and pull apart ideas that I and other critics find regressive. I’ve not seen the attempted restriction of free speech here that you refer to. My experience has been the opposite. Myself and others I’ve talked to privately have been reported and blocked for being critical of ‘wokism’. But ultimately I don’t see using ‘woke’ as an insult as racist. I do see ‘gammon’ as racist as it’s used to specifically insult a particular race or skin colour, which is a protected characteristic (even if you want to believe Britain is a white supremacist state), ergo at its most base level it is racist. I don’t think it’s productive however, to insult anyone in any discussion. To me that’s when the debate is lost. People get blocked here for all kinds of things. I've been banned for the opposite reasons you have. Criticism of ideas, even anti-racism is good. But the reality is, we get insulted and criticised constantly for not being racist. People have argued that they're using some reimagined meaning for the word "woke", which is silly. Just use normal words to describe what the objection is to someone's view points. If you choose to look at the threads with "woke" in the title, you'll see people getting angry and confused about a school kids poem, a story in the Express about Rule Britannia being banned, which turned out to be bullshit. The people who start these threads have absolutely zero interest in the real issues that exist in this country, and have allowed the right wing media to distract them with these non-stories. The same people who participate in these anti-woke rants are also the people who don't think it's important that Floyd George was killed. As an example. So while people use "woke" as an insult, I'm going to assume they're using the dictionary definition. I don't use "gammon" and don't have it used against me, so I don't have much to comment on it. Rule Britannia was banned. The student who wrote it was banned. Ergo Rule Britannia is banned by the University. A lot of us are beginning to wonder why you are so obsessed, utterly obsessed, by race. " Fake news. It wasn’t banned by any university, | |||
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"and you promised not to use phrase if asked not to and youve been asked by people not to but still carry on so youre a liar, and weve done that conversation before to! I haven’t used the term since, have a read, back to the OP " youve used it on this thread while claiming it isnt racist... habitual liar.... youre a waste of typing lol | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? Yeah obviously I am not going to try to find some published piece to prove this. And presumably some people use this word "woke" out of context. Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Why else would anyone use this as an insult. As if not being racist is a bad thing. As I’ve outlined further up the thread. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ as cultish and a form of mania. There are stark contradictions within the idea of intersectionality that ‘woke’ represents bordering on hypocrisy. The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back....a lot of people see these things as regressive. So yeah, they use woke as an insult. I’d argue it’s less to do with a desire to ‘want’ to be racist and more a frustration that the very vocal minority is dominating the meek and mild majority with head blowing nonsense. This is interesting. People on here specifically use the dictionary definition of woke as an insult though. And the vocal majority are definitely those who want to silence, cancel and remove freedom of speech from those they deem (dictionary definition of) woke. We have very different perspectives. Talking about any of the following: "The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back". Is likely to have you labelled "woke". It's just another method used by the far right to attempt to discredit anyone with a progressive viewpoint. Which is why I always take the dictionary definition. For reference, look at any of the threads on here with "woke" in the title. Therein lies your perception of it in your response tho. You seem to be quick to see any criticism of ‘wokism’ as the exclusive domain of the ‘far right’. I don’t. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to criticise and pull apart ideas that I and other critics find regressive. I’ve not seen the attempted restriction of free speech here that you refer to. My experience has been the opposite. Myself and others I’ve talked to privately have been reported and blocked for being critical of ‘wokism’. But ultimately I don’t see using ‘woke’ as an insult as racist. I do see ‘gammon’ as racist as it’s used to specifically insult a particular race or skin colour, which is a protected characteristic (even if you want to believe Britain is a white supremacist state), ergo at its most base level it is racist. I don’t think it’s productive however, to insult anyone in any discussion. To me that’s when the debate is lost. People get blocked here for all kinds of things. I've been banned for the opposite reasons you have. Criticism of ideas, even anti-racism is good. But the reality is, we get insulted and criticised constantly for not being racist. People have argued that they're using some reimagined meaning for the word "woke", which is silly. Just use normal words to describe what the objection is to someone's view points. If you choose to look at the threads with "woke" in the title, you'll see people getting angry and confused about a school kids poem, a story in the Express about Rule Britannia being banned, which turned out to be bullshit. The people who start these threads have absolutely zero interest in the real issues that exist in this country, and have allowed the right wing media to distract them with these non-stories. The same people who participate in these anti-woke rants are also the people who don't think it's important that Floyd George was killed. As an example. So while people use "woke" as an insult, I'm going to assume they're using the dictionary definition. I don't use "gammon" and don't have it used against me, so I don't have much to comment on it. Rule Britannia was banned. The student who wrote it was banned. Ergo Rule Britannia is banned by the University. A lot of us are beginning to wonder why you are so obsessed, utterly obsessed, by race. " See! Look what nonsense gets thrown at us. (Also thank you for demonstrating my point about believing bullshit distraction stories that are completely false). | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? Yeah obviously I am not going to try to find some published piece to prove this. And presumably some people use this word "woke" out of context. Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Why else would anyone use this as an insult. As if not being racist is a bad thing. As I’ve outlined further up the thread. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ as cultish and a form of mania. There are stark contradictions within the idea of intersectionality that ‘woke’ represents bordering on hypocrisy. The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back....a lot of people see these things as regressive. So yeah, they use woke as an insult. I’d argue it’s less to do with a desire to ‘want’ to be racist and more a frustration that the very vocal minority is dominating the meek and mild majority with head blowing nonsense. This is interesting. People on here specifically use the dictionary definition of woke as an insult though. And the vocal majority are definitely those who want to silence, cancel and remove freedom of speech from those they deem (dictionary definition of) woke. We have very different perspectives. Talking about any of the following: "The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back". Is likely to have you labelled "woke". It's just another method used by the far right to attempt to discredit anyone with a progressive viewpoint. Which is why I always take the dictionary definition. For reference, look at any of the threads on here with "woke" in the title. Therein lies your perception of it in your response tho. You seem to be quick to see any criticism of ‘wokism’ as the exclusive domain of the ‘far right’. I don’t. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to criticise and pull apart ideas that I and other critics find regressive. I’ve not seen the attempted restriction of free speech here that you refer to. My experience has been the opposite. Myself and others I’ve talked to privately have been reported and blocked for being critical of ‘wokism’. But ultimately I don’t see using ‘woke’ as an insult as racist. I do see ‘gammon’ as racist as it’s used to specifically insult a particular race or skin colour, which is a protected characteristic (even if you want to believe Britain is a white supremacist state), ergo at its most base level it is racist. I don’t think it’s productive however, to insult anyone in any discussion. To me that’s when the debate is lost. People get blocked here for all kinds of things. I've been banned for the opposite reasons you have. Criticism of ideas, even anti-racism is good. But the reality is, we get insulted and criticised constantly for not being racist. People have argued that they're using some reimagined meaning for the word "woke", which is silly. Just use normal words to describe what the objection is to someone's view points. If you choose to look at the threads with "woke" in the title, you'll see people getting angry and confused about a school kids poem, a story in the Express about Rule Britannia being banned, which turned out to be bullshit. The people who start these threads have absolutely zero interest in the real issues that exist in this country, and have allowed the right wing media to distract them with these non-stories. The same people who participate in these anti-woke rants are also the people who don't think it's important that Floyd George was killed. As an example. So while people use "woke" as an insult, I'm going to assume they're using the dictionary definition. I don't use "gammon" and don't have it used against me, so I don't have much to comment on it." anti woke means you dont care if someone dies! youve lost the plot! seriously, if you really believe that and arent just yapping for the sake of it, youre demonstrating a line of thinking that is very strange. | |||
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"and you promised not to use phrase if asked not to and youve been asked by people not to but still carry on so youre a liar, and weve done that conversation before to! I haven’t used the term since, have a read, back to the OP youve used it on this thread while claiming it isnt racist... habitual liar.... youre a waste of typing lol " I haven’t directed the term gammon at anyone , there is a separate thread for this, bask to the OP | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? Yeah obviously I am not going to try to find some published piece to prove this. And presumably some people use this word "woke" out of context. Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Why else would anyone use this as an insult. As if not being racist is a bad thing. As I’ve outlined further up the thread. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ as cultish and a form of mania. There are stark contradictions within the idea of intersectionality that ‘woke’ represents bordering on hypocrisy. The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back....a lot of people see these things as regressive. So yeah, they use woke as an insult. I’d argue it’s less to do with a desire to ‘want’ to be racist and more a frustration that the very vocal minority is dominating the meek and mild majority with head blowing nonsense. This is interesting. People on here specifically use the dictionary definition of woke as an insult though. And the vocal majority are definitely those who want to silence, cancel and remove freedom of speech from those they deem (dictionary definition of) woke. We have very different perspectives. Talking about any of the following: "The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back". Is likely to have you labelled "woke". It's just another method used by the far right to attempt to discredit anyone with a progressive viewpoint. Which is why I always take the dictionary definition. For reference, look at any of the threads on here with "woke" in the title. Therein lies your perception of it in your response tho. You seem to be quick to see any criticism of ‘wokism’ as the exclusive domain of the ‘far right’. I don’t. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to criticise and pull apart ideas that I and other critics find regressive. I’ve not seen the attempted restriction of free speech here that you refer to. My experience has been the opposite. Myself and others I’ve talked to privately have been reported and blocked for being critical of ‘wokism’. But ultimately I don’t see using ‘woke’ as an insult as racist. I do see ‘gammon’ as racist as it’s used to specifically insult a particular race or skin colour, which is a protected characteristic (even if you want to believe Britain is a white supremacist state), ergo at its most base level it is racist. I don’t think it’s productive however, to insult anyone in any discussion. To me that’s when the debate is lost. People get blocked here for all kinds of things. I've been banned for the opposite reasons you have. Criticism of ideas, even anti-racism is good. But the reality is, we get insulted and criticised constantly for not being racist. People have argued that they're using some reimagined meaning for the word "woke", which is silly. Just use normal words to describe what the objection is to someone's view points. If you choose to look at the threads with "woke" in the title, you'll see people getting angry and confused about a school kids poem, a story in the Express about Rule Britannia being banned, which turned out to be bullshit. The people who start these threads have absolutely zero interest in the real issues that exist in this country, and have allowed the right wing media to distract them with these non-stories. The same people who participate in these anti-woke rants are also the people who don't think it's important that Floyd George was killed. As an example. So while people use "woke" as an insult, I'm going to assume they're using the dictionary definition. I don't use "gammon" and don't have it used against me, so I don't have much to comment on it. anti woke means you dont care if someone dies! youve lost the plot! seriously, if you really believe that and arent just yapping for the sake of it, youre demonstrating a line of thinking that is very strange. " That's not what I said. I used it as an example of the people who get upset about non-racists talking, are also posting about not caring other issues. | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? Yeah obviously I am not going to try to find some published piece to prove this. And presumably some people use this word "woke" out of context. Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Why else would anyone use this as an insult. As if not being racist is a bad thing. As I’ve outlined further up the thread. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ as cultish and a form of mania. There are stark contradictions within the idea of intersectionality that ‘woke’ represents bordering on hypocrisy. The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back....a lot of people see these things as regressive. So yeah, they use woke as an insult. I’d argue it’s less to do with a desire to ‘want’ to be racist and more a frustration that the very vocal minority is dominating the meek and mild majority with head blowing nonsense. This is interesting. People on here specifically use the dictionary definition of woke as an insult though. And the vocal majority are definitely those who want to silence, cancel and remove freedom of speech from those they deem (dictionary definition of) woke. We have very different perspectives. Talking about any of the following: "The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back". Is likely to have you labelled "woke". It's just another method used by the far right to attempt to discredit anyone with a progressive viewpoint. Which is why I always take the dictionary definition. For reference, look at any of the threads on here with "woke" in the title. Therein lies your perception of it in your response tho. You seem to be quick to see any criticism of ‘wokism’ as the exclusive domain of the ‘far right’. I don’t. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to criticise and pull apart ideas that I and other critics find regressive. I’ve not seen the attempted restriction of free speech here that you refer to. My experience has been the opposite. Myself and others I’ve talked to privately have been reported and blocked for being critical of ‘wokism’. But ultimately I don’t see using ‘woke’ as an insult as racist. I do see ‘gammon’ as racist as it’s used to specifically insult a particular race or skin colour, which is a protected characteristic (even if you want to believe Britain is a white supremacist state), ergo at its most base level it is racist. I don’t think it’s productive however, to insult anyone in any discussion. To me that’s when the debate is lost. People get blocked here for all kinds of things. I've been banned for the opposite reasons you have. Criticism of ideas, even anti-racism is good. But the reality is, we get insulted and criticised constantly for not being racist. People have argued that they're using some reimagined meaning for the word "woke", which is silly. Just use normal words to describe what the objection is to someone's view points. If you choose to look at the threads with "woke" in the title, you'll see people getting angry and confused about a school kids poem, a story in the Express about Rule Britannia being banned, which turned out to be bullshit. The people who start these threads have absolutely zero interest in the real issues that exist in this country, and have allowed the right wing media to distract them with these non-stories. The same people who participate in these anti-woke rants are also the people who don't think it's important that Floyd George was killed. As an example. So while people use "woke" as an insult, I'm going to assume they're using the dictionary definition. I don't use "gammon" and don't have it used against me, so I don't have much to comment on it." No that’s fair enough. Everyone’s experience here is personal. I just don’t believe ‘woke’ as an insult is racist. I do believe ‘gammon’ is. Neither of them need to be used IMO. | |||
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"There’s a lot of debate over gammon being racist or not still. But applying common sense and a bit of pragmatic thinking, using an insult referencing ones skin colour has always been considered racist, so why not when it applies to white people? ‘Woke’ has nothing to do with the race of those called ‘woke’, and is about their ideology and world view, not a physical immutable characteristic. There is no debate here. Stop hijacking the thread. Woke ‘alert to injustice in society , especially racism ‘ . Why would you use the term as an insult ? Btw, I didn’t hijack the thread , someone suggested it was racist, I disagreed I am sure that is allowed It’s certainly used as an insult. I didn’t say it wasn’t. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ or intersectionality as a madness and counter productive. I’ve seen you insult and denigrate plenty of people on the forums for not having the same world view as you so it’s no different. But ‘woke’ as an insult is certainly not a racist term. Let it go and get the thread back on track. "Woke" is used as an insult primarily by racists who no longer feel like they have safe spaces to say derogatory things about brown skinned people. Can't be racist, so they attack non-racists. I despise midwittery but this time I have no other option - where’s your source for the contention that it’s an insult ‘primarily used by racists’? Or is it just an opinion (not a problem if it is of course, I just want clarity)? Yeah obviously I am not going to try to find some published piece to prove this. And presumably some people use this word "woke" out of context. Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Why else would anyone use this as an insult. As if not being racist is a bad thing. As I’ve outlined further up the thread. A lot of people see ‘wokism’ as cultish and a form of mania. There are stark contradictions within the idea of intersectionality that ‘woke’ represents bordering on hypocrisy. The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back....a lot of people see these things as regressive. So yeah, they use woke as an insult. I’d argue it’s less to do with a desire to ‘want’ to be racist and more a frustration that the very vocal minority is dominating the meek and mild majority with head blowing nonsense. This is interesting. People on here specifically use the dictionary definition of woke as an insult though. And the vocal majority are definitely those who want to silence, cancel and remove freedom of speech from those they deem (dictionary definition of) woke. We have very different perspectives. Talking about any of the following: "The denial of evolutionary biology in some cases, the sexualisation of children, racial grievances and segregation coming back". Is likely to have you labelled "woke". It's just another method used by the far right to attempt to discredit anyone with a progressive viewpoint. Which is why I always take the dictionary definition. For reference, look at any of the threads on here with "woke" in the title. Therein lies your perception of it in your response tho. You seem to be quick to see any criticism of ‘wokism’ as the exclusive domain of the ‘far right’. I don’t. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to criticise and pull apart ideas that I and other critics find regressive. I’ve not seen the attempted restriction of free speech here that you refer to. My experience has been the opposite. Myself and others I’ve talked to privately have been reported and blocked for being critical of ‘wokism’. But ultimately I don’t see using ‘woke’ as an insult as racist. I do see ‘gammon’ as racist as it’s used to specifically insult a particular race or skin colour, which is a protected characteristic (even if you want to believe Britain is a white supremacist state), ergo at its most base level it is racist. I don’t think it’s productive however, to insult anyone in any discussion. To me that’s when the debate is lost. People get blocked here for all kinds of things. I've been banned for the opposite reasons you have. Criticism of ideas, even anti-racism is good. But the reality is, we get insulted and criticised constantly for not being racist. People have argued that they're using some reimagined meaning for the word "woke", which is silly. Just use normal words to describe what the objection is to someone's view points. If you choose to look at the threads with "woke" in the title, you'll see people getting angry and confused about a school kids poem, a story in the Express about Rule Britannia being banned, which turned out to be bullshit. The people who start these threads have absolutely zero interest in the real issues that exist in this country, and have allowed the right wing media to distract them with these non-stories. The same people who participate in these anti-woke rants are also the people who don't think it's important that Floyd George was killed. As an example. So while people use "woke" as an insult, I'm going to assume they're using the dictionary definition. I don't use "gammon" and don't have it used against me, so I don't have much to comment on it. No that’s fair enough. Everyone’s experience here is personal. I just don’t believe ‘woke’ as an insult is racist. I do believe ‘gammon’ is. Neither of them need to be used IMO. " | |||
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"and you promised not to use phrase if asked not to and youve been asked by people not to but still carry on so youre a liar, and weve done that conversation before to! I haven’t used the term since, have a read, back to the OP youve used it on this thread while claiming it isnt racist... habitual liar.... youre a waste of typing lol I haven’t directed the term gammon at anyone , there is a separate thread for this, bask to the OP so if i just write the N word repeatedly but dont aim it thats ok? no it isnt... explain your thinking please. better still dont, ive lost interest in your nonsense." Try it, the N word is racist, gammon isn’t? That is why people can use it on here and all other social media , | |||
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"and you promised not to use phrase if asked not to and youve been asked by people not to but still carry on so youre a liar, and weve done that conversation before to! I haven’t used the term since, have a read, back to the OP youve used it on this thread while claiming it isnt racist... habitual liar.... youre a waste of typing lol I haven’t directed the term gammon at anyone , there is a separate thread for this, bask to the OP so if i just write the N word repeatedly but dont aim it thats ok? no it isnt... explain your thinking please. better still dont, ive lost interest in your nonsense. Try it, the N word is racist, gammon isn’t? That is why people can use it on here and all other social media , " You know how hate crime legislation works in the uk don’t you? One person can report you using the word ‘gammon’ as a racially motivated insult and the police are obliged to record it. Your perception of it doesn’t matter, the reporters does. There are recorded ‘hate incidents’ from people using the term as an insult already. But sure, insulting someone’s immutable racial characteristics isn’t racist | |||
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"and you promised not to use phrase if asked not to and youve been asked by people not to but still carry on so youre a liar, and weve done that conversation before to! I haven’t used the term since, have a read, back to the OP youve used it on this thread while claiming it isnt racist... habitual liar.... youre a waste of typing lol I haven’t directed the term gammon at anyone , there is a separate thread for this, bask to the OP so if i just write the N word repeatedly but dont aim it thats ok? no it isnt... explain your thinking please. better still dont, ive lost interest in your nonsense. Try it, the N word is racist, gammon isn’t? That is why people can use it on here and all other social media , You know how hate crime legislation works in the uk don’t you? One person can report you using the word ‘gammon’ as a racially motivated insult and the police are obliged to record it. Your perception of it doesn’t matter, the reporters does. There are recorded ‘hate incidents’ from people using the term as an insult already. But sure, insulting someone’s immutable racial characteristics isn’t racist "What are you on about? Do you know what gammon means? It’s is about a persons behaviour, a tiny number of people are gammons, based on their rage towards Brexit and perceived ‘woke behaviour ‘ a racial slur is an insult to everyone of that race. To compare the N word with gammon is ignorant and ill educated | |||
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"and you promised not to use phrase if asked not to and youve been asked by people not to but still carry on so youre a liar, and weve done that conversation before to! I haven’t used the term since, have a read, back to the OP youve used it on this thread while claiming it isnt racist... habitual liar.... youre a waste of typing lol I haven’t directed the term gammon at anyone , there is a separate thread for this, bask to the OP so if i just write the N word repeatedly but dont aim it thats ok? no it isnt... explain your thinking please. better still dont, ive lost interest in your nonsense. Try it, the N word is racist, gammon isn’t? That is why people can use it on here and all other social media , You know how hate crime legislation works in the uk don’t you? One person can report you using the word ‘gammon’ as a racially motivated insult and the police are obliged to record it. Your perception of it doesn’t matter, the reporters does. There are recorded ‘hate incidents’ from people using the term as an insult already. But sure, insulting someone’s immutable racial characteristics isn’t racist
What are you on about? Do you know what gammon means? It’s is about a persons behaviour, a tiny number of people are gammons, based on their rage towards Brexit and perceived ‘woke behaviour ‘ a racial slur is an insult to everyone of that race. To compare the N word with gammon is ignorant and ill educated "It refers to the pallor of their skin too, generally white, middle aged men who flush red when debating (usually about brexit, which is where the term originated). The cognitive dissonance and wilful ignorance you're displaying is not only obvious for anyone to see, it’s stifling. | |||
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"and you promised not to use phrase if asked not to and youve been asked by people not to but still carry on so youre a liar, and weve done that conversation before to! I haven’t used the term since, have a read, back to the OP youve used it on this thread while claiming it isnt racist... habitual liar.... youre a waste of typing lol I haven’t directed the term gammon at anyone , there is a separate thread for this, bask to the OP so if i just write the N word repeatedly but dont aim it thats ok? no it isnt... explain your thinking please. better still dont, ive lost interest in your nonsense. Try it, the N word is racist, gammon isn’t? That is why people can use it on here and all other social media , You know how hate crime legislation works in the uk don’t you? One person can report you using the word ‘gammon’ as a racially motivated insult and the police are obliged to record it. Your perception of it doesn’t matter, the reporters does. There are recorded ‘hate incidents’ from people using the term as an insult already. But sure, insulting someone’s immutable racial characteristics isn’t racist
What are you on about? Do you know what gammon means? It’s is about a persons behaviour, a tiny number of people are gammons, based on their rage towards Brexit and perceived ‘woke behaviour ‘ a racial slur is an insult to everyone of that race. To compare the N word with gammon is ignorant and ill educated
It refers to the pallor of their skin too, generally white, middle aged men who flush red when debating (usually about brexit, which is where the term originated). The cognitive dissonance and wilful ignorance you're displaying is not only obvious for anyone to see, it’s stifling. "Are all white people ‘gammons ‘ ? | |||
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"and you promised not to use phrase if asked not to and youve been asked by people not to but still carry on so youre a liar, and weve done that conversation before to! I haven’t used the term since, have a read, back to the OP youve used it on this thread while claiming it isnt racist... habitual liar.... youre a waste of typing lol I haven’t directed the term gammon at anyone , there is a separate thread for this, bask to the OP so if i just write the N word repeatedly but dont aim it thats ok? no it isnt... explain your thinking please. better still dont, ive lost interest in your nonsense. Try it, the N word is racist, gammon isn’t? That is why people can use it on here and all other social media , You know how hate crime legislation works in the uk don’t you? One person can report you using the word ‘gammon’ as a racially motivated insult and the police are obliged to record it. Your perception of it doesn’t matter, the reporters does. There are recorded ‘hate incidents’ from people using the term as an insult already. But sure, insulting someone’s immutable racial characteristics isn’t racist
What are you on about? Do you know what gammon means? It’s is about a persons behaviour, a tiny number of people are gammons, based on their rage towards Brexit and perceived ‘woke behaviour ‘ a racial slur is an insult to everyone of that race. To compare the N word with gammon is ignorant and ill educated
It refers to the pallor of their skin too, generally white, middle aged men who flush red when debating (usually about brexit, which is where the term originated). The cognitive dissonance and wilful ignorance you're displaying is not only obvious for anyone to see, it’s stifling.
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