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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!!" Vote them out then | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!!" People blame the Torys for all their problems on here. It’s all consuming.  | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!!" Try to convince other voters in Scotland of this. At present all that does go wrong Sturgeon's get out is it is the fault of the Boris etc. If you get independance that excuse will be gone. If Scotland did go bust why should we bail you out you if you ask for poverty and dictatorship who are we to stop you? | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! Vote them out then " This ^ I’m all for Scotland being independent. Just not sure how independent you’d be under the SNP. They’re a bit loonyish to me. | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! Vote them out then This ^ I’m all for Scotland being independent. Just not sure how independent you’d be under the SNP. They’re a bit loonyish to me. " I'm Scottish and I'm not against independence, but I could never vote for the SNP version of it. Tbh I think Sturgeon would shit herself and run a mile if the vote went their way. | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!!" "When we got independence the first time"  
You really need to go read some history young man.
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! "When we got independence the first time"
You really need to go read some history young man.
"I did read my history. 1707, England agreed to help pay off Scotland's debts and both countries parliaments passed the acts of union to become one nation. Meaning England bought Scotland. I think you need a lesson in history. | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! "When we got independence the first time"
You really need to go read some history young man.
I did read my history. 1707, England agreed to help pay off Scotland's debts and both countries parliaments passed the acts of union to become one nation. Meaning England bought Scotland.
I think you need a lesson in history.
"A few Scottish MP’s voted to join the union. Bought and sold for English gold as rabbie burns coined. To suggest England bought scotland is bizarre. The act of the union is a political one. | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! "When we got independence the first time"
You really need to go read some history young man.
I did read my history. 1707, England agreed to help pay off Scotland's debts and both countries parliaments passed the acts of union to become one nation. Meaning England bought Scotland.
I think you need a lesson in history.
A few Scottish MP’s voted to join the union.
Bought and sold for English gold as rabbie burns coined.
To suggest England bought scotland is bizarre.
The act of the union is a political one. "But still in summary and easy format. That is what happened. And as we know history has repeated itself in the past. And also what if the Scottish independence referendum has the same or a worse result than Brexit? | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! "When we got independence the first time"
You really need to go read some history young man.
I did read my history. 1707, England agreed to help pay off Scotland's debts and both countries parliaments passed the acts of union to become one nation. Meaning England bought Scotland.
I think you need a lesson in history.
"Let me help you out "when we got independence the first time" When did we get independence and from who or what ? As for the debt you refer to, it wasnt Scotlands debt, it was the debt of an elite who were skint and doffed their cap and sold the rest of us down the river. | |||
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"Nevermind, I did not completely check my facts. I'm only human after all. But still Scotland is in no were near a healthy position to go for an independence referendum" Scotland is awash with natural wealth. Fun fact, there is more fresh water in Loch Ness than there’s is in England and Wales combined.  | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! "When we got independence the first time"
You really need to go read some history young man.
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!!" If you don't like the thought of scotland being independent well the uk is a big place so you can go wherever you want and live under the most extreme right wing country and government since the nazis,im sure after a while youl realise you were wrong and be back to an independent free scotland | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! If you don't like the thought of scotland being independent well the uk is a big place so you can go wherever you want and live under the most extreme right wing country and government since the nazis,im sure after a while youl realise you were wrong and be back to an independent free scotland " Lol You sure about that? | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! If you don't like the thought of scotland being independent well the uk is a big place so you can go wherever you want and live under the most extreme right wing country and government since the nazis,im sure after a while youl realise you were wrong and be back to an independent free scotland Lol You sure about that? " I'm 1000% sure | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! If you don't like the thought of scotland being independent well the uk is a big place so you can go wherever you want and live under the most extreme right wing country and government since the nazis,im sure after a while youl realise you were wrong and be back to an independent free scotland Lol You sure about that? I'm 1000% sure" Rum came out of my nose
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! If you don't like the thought of scotland being independent well the uk is a big place so you can go wherever you want and live under the most extreme right wing country and government since the nazis,im sure after a while youl realise you were wrong and be back to an independent free scotland Lol You sure about that? I'm 1000% sure Rum came out of my nose
Thank you for the entertainment "Your welcome,as you never really gave much to the debate, enjoy your rum and maybe take time to educate yourself in scottish politics before you maybe make an arse of yourself again | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! If you don't like the thought of scotland being independent well the uk is a big place so you can go wherever you want and live under the most extreme right wing country and government since the nazis,im sure after a while youl realise you were wrong and be back to an independent free scotland Lol You sure about that? I'm 1000% sure Rum came out of my nose
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Your welcome,as you never really gave much to the debate, enjoy your rum and maybe take time to educate yourself in scottish politics before you maybe make an arse of yourself again "The gift that keeps on giving hahahahaha I’m dying at the ‘most extreme right wing country and government since the Nazis’ line. I don’t need to know Scottish politics to know utter bullshit when I step in it | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! If you don't like the thought of scotland being independent well the uk is a big place so you can go wherever you want and live under the most extreme right wing country and government since the nazis,im sure after a while youl realise you were wrong and be back to an independent free scotland Lol You sure about that? I'm 1000% sure Rum came out of my nose
Thank you for the entertainment
Your welcome,as you never really gave much to the debate, enjoy your rum and maybe take time to educate yourself in scottish politics before you maybe make an arse of yourself again
The gift that keeps on giving hahahahaha
I’m dying at the ‘most extreme right wing country and government since the Nazis’ line. I don’t need to know Scottish politics to know utter bullshit when I step in it "Yip just another little englander who just believes everything the nazi tories tell them but im sure youl find out the hard way,our countries will go our separate ways soon,good luck living in a right wing nazi country | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! If you don't like the thought of scotland being independent well the uk is a big place so you can go wherever you want and live under the most extreme right wing country and government since the nazis,im sure after a while youl realise you were wrong and be back to an independent free scotland Lol You sure about that? I'm 1000% sure Rum came out of my nose
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Your welcome,as you never really gave much to the debate, enjoy your rum and maybe take time to educate yourself in scottish politics before you maybe make an arse of yourself again
The gift that keeps on giving hahahahaha
I’m dying at the ‘most extreme right wing country and government since the Nazis’ line. I don’t need to know Scottish politics to know utter bullshit when I step in it
Yip just another little englander who just believes everything the nazi tories tell them but im sure youl find out the hard way,our countries will go our separate ways soon,good luck living in a right wing nazi country "Clearly not read a thing I’ve posted before but I expect no less from an SNP Boomer tbh. But the very best of luck with Humza ‘Adolf’ Yusuf and his hate crime bill. The irony in you calling any other union government ‘nazi’ is phenomenal, but still entertaining. I’m sure Scotland will shower itself in glory again some day soon, just without folk like yourself dragging them down into the mire. | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! If you don't like the thought of scotland being independent well the uk is a big place so you can go wherever you want and live under the most extreme right wing country and government since the nazis,im sure after a while youl realise you were wrong and be back to an independent free scotland Lol You sure about that? I'm 1000% sure Rum came out of my nose
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Your welcome,as you never really gave much to the debate, enjoy your rum and maybe take time to educate yourself in scottish politics before you maybe make an arse of yourself again
The gift that keeps on giving hahahahaha
I’m dying at the ‘most extreme right wing country and government since the Nazis’ line. I don’t need to know Scottish politics to know utter bullshit when I step in it
Yip just another little englander who just believes everything the nazi tories tell them but im sure youl find out the hard way,our countries will go our separate ways soon,good luck living in a right wing nazi country
Clearly not read a thing I’ve posted before but I expect no less from an SNP Boomer tbh. But the very best of luck with Humza ‘Adolf’ Yusuf and his hate crime bill. The irony in you calling any other union government ‘nazi’ is phenomenal, but still entertaining. I’m sure Scotland will shower itself in glory again some day soon, just without folk like yourself dragging them down into the mire. "Aye just you stick to your right wing nazi tories and im sure us up in in scotland will be just fine once we are independent | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! If you don't like the thought of scotland being independent well the uk is a big place so you can go wherever you want and live under the most extreme right wing country and government since the nazis,im sure after a while youl realise you were wrong and be back to an independent free scotland Lol You sure about that? I'm 1000% sure Rum came out of my nose
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Your welcome,as you never really gave much to the debate, enjoy your rum and maybe take time to educate yourself in scottish politics before you maybe make an arse of yourself again
The gift that keeps on giving hahahahaha
I’m dying at the ‘most extreme right wing country and government since the Nazis’ line. I don’t need to know Scottish politics to know utter bullshit when I step in it
Yip just another little englander who just believes everything the nazi tories tell them but im sure youl find out the hard way,our countries will go our separate ways soon,good luck living in a right wing nazi country
Clearly not read a thing I’ve posted before but I expect no less from an SNP Boomer tbh. But the very best of luck with Humza ‘Adolf’ Yusuf and his hate crime bill. The irony in you calling any other union government ‘nazi’ is phenomenal, but still entertaining. I’m sure Scotland will shower itself in glory again some day soon, just without folk like yourself dragging them down into the mire.
Aye just you stick to your right wing nazi tories and im sure us up in in scotland will be just fine once we are independent "  | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!!" The levels of miseducation in this thread is awfully worrying. Please don’t vote if you don’t understand what is going on politically | |||
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"I'd happily vote independence for Scotland just to get rid of the Scottish football results " Many say that the quickest route to Scottish Independence, is to give the English a chance to vote on it. | |||
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"Many say that the quickest route to Scottish Independence, is to give the English a chance to vote on it. "Indeed. It would very likely work. In November 2019, 41% of Leave voters felt that an independent Scotland was a price worth paying for Brexit. However, as we know, your masters would never agree to such an English vote. As I've said plenty of times before, they fear the loss of one third of the UK landmass, all the territorial water surrounding it - and a place to park their strategic nuclear deterrent. For the small amount extra, per head, that's spent up here - they're never going to give up on such a bargain willingly. | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! The levels of miseducation in this thread is awfully worrying. Please don’t vote if you don’t understand what is going on politically " I'm sure you will come across many politicians from all parties in the sewers 9n your new job | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!!" History revision- England bought Scotland from a handful of Scottish Lords who’d lost money on the Darien Scheme, which had been thwarted by the English, among other things, and had failed. The Scottish people were enraged on the whole but had no say in the matter. The country wasn’t bankrupt but the nobles were poorer. It’s people have a vote now so the two issues are not comparable in any way, shape or form. | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!! People blame the Torys for all their problems on here. It’s all consuming. "It may be because they’ve been in charge for 11 years and made a complete mess of things - just a wild guess - Austerity, Brexit, Covid. Not a great track record really (especially as they ignored Project Cygnus, so Covid sits with them) Who else should we blame!? Let me think about what will be offered up: Austerity was Labours fault & if not that, then the Libs Brexit was the EUs fault Covid was everyone else’s fault, nobody could have done better... The Oppositions was rubbish, so they let the Tory’s get away with it ...have I missed anything? | |||
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"Back to the original post. Surely after independence, the SNP would have to adapt to a new situation and change. I suspect Labour which was historically very strong in Scotland would bounce back. For a start who ever the new government is they will have to do a crash course in governance economics! " This is always on the cards for the SNP in an independent Scotland, I would expect to see new parties, social democrat, christian democrat etc formed by groups within the current crop. As for labour, they are simply toxic up here now and it would take a clear out and rebuild from the ground up, the tories greens and libs will be about the same. Potentially a political landscape of 3 or 4 parties polling in the region of 20-25% each and a group of smaller parties. | |||
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"Back to the original post. Surely after independence, the SNP would have to adapt to a new situation and change. I suspect Labour which was historically very strong in Scotland would bounce back. For a start who ever the new government is they will have to do a crash course in governance economics! This is always on the cards for the SNP in an independent Scotland, I would expect to see new parties, social democrat, christian democrat etc formed by groups within the current crop. As for labour, they are simply toxic up here now and it would take a clear out and rebuild from the ground up, the tories greens and libs will be about the same. Potentially a political landscape of 3 or 4 parties polling in the region of 20-25% each and a group of smaller parties." | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!!" Don’t think any of us are hundreds of years old therefore remembering 1st time around would be a tad hard. | |||
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"Back to the original post. Surely after independence, the SNP would have to adapt to a new situation and change. I suspect Labour which was historically very strong in Scotland would bounce back. For a start who ever the new government is they will have to do a crash course in governance economics! " Labour are dead in Scotland | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!!" Well there’s something called a ballot box, instead of moaning about the problems save your disdain and vote. | |||
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"Back to the original post. Surely after independence, the SNP would have to adapt to a new situation and change. I suspect Labour which was historically very strong in Scotland would bounce back. For a start who ever the new government is they will have to do a crash course in governance economics! Labour are dead in Scotland " In the short term, yes. At some point Scottish Labour are going to have to seriously confront the issue of Scotland’s right to chose, with all the debate and difficulty that may cause. It is possible that Mr Sarwar will need to go the way of other Labour leaders since 2014, but the constitutional issue cannot be avoided. Having said that, I think Scottish Labour after independence has the potential to do very well, with a more “Old Labour” policy bent. | |||
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"Why? If you don’t live in the country, don’t pay taxes in it and aren’t involved day to day with its services, why would you presume you could vote for its future?" Yet lots on here were up in arms when people who had been living abroad for years wernt allowed to vote in the brexit vote | |||
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"As far as I see it the SNP in general has fucked up a lot and from what it sounds like there only focus is independence. Does nobody remember when we got independence the first time? We where in so much debt that england bought us out, what's to stop that from happening again?? The lost generation are blind, they think the Tories are to blame for everything but they aren't. It will take 35 years maybe more to fix the educational gap, that the SNP has put us in Before we go for an independence referendum the Scottish government needs to fix Scotland first!!!" I thought the general clue was in the full reading of the acronym 'SNP' Scottish National Party. I mean really . . . Would anyone really expect anything other than 'Independence' with a moniker like that? | |||
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