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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one " | |||
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"1 we want everyone to catch thi virus and build herd imunity. Bullshit 2 we have inough ppe in stock Bullshit 3 we have a world beating track and trace system. Bullshit 4 we only do what the scientists tell us. Bullshit 5 we value the nhs staff . Bullshit. 6 lf you get it youre imune. Bullshit 7 kids carnt get it Bullshit 8 we must all folow the rules unless you work for me. Bullshit 9 covid is going on holiday for xmass so its ok to go visit. Bullshit 10 we are keeping control of everyone entering the country. Bullshit 11 you can have a drink untill 9pm but not after because covid may get you. Bullshit 12 you can meet six but not seven or covid will get you. Bullshit. I am shure ive forgoten a few feel free to add on to this "  | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one "While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one "Which apparently now won't be enough to ease the restrictions as first thought. This govt is constantly moving goalposts, zig zagging on its projections, and all the while making more and more things illegal. If they are following the science then the question needs to be asked on whether they're seeking the wrong advice from the wrong people. Ferguson and his imperial college mates are woefully short on correct modelling and have been all the way through. Perhaps it's time to try a different group of experts? | |||
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"Well, your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media. So I didn’t bother reading the rest." Was it made up he was shaking hands with vivid patients and nearly died from it himself? | |||
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years." | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one "Yes. It makes me really proud to be British that we bought up enough vaccine to fully immunise (I.e. 2 jabs) the entire population of the UK 3 times over. After all, as Boris has repeatedly said, nobody is safe until we are all safe. Presumably that includes our European neighbours too. Perhaps people might consider that when they moan about not going abroad for their holiday... | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
Which apparently now won't be enough to ease the restrictions as first thought.
This govt is constantly moving goalposts, zig zagging on its projections, and all the while making more and more things illegal. If they are following the science then the question needs to be asked on whether they're seeking the wrong advice from the wrong people. Ferguson and his imperial college mates are woefully short on correct modelling and have been all the way through. Perhaps it's time to try a different group of experts? "The dates set by Boris for reducing restrictions have always been subject to the data. Unfortunately the nature of Covid is that the goalposts do move, the biggest example being the new variant. This was never going to be easy. | |||
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years." Might have been an idea then to attend some rather important meetings? | |||
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years." I knew about deaths in China in the November 2019..thousands of them, the crematoria were operating 24/7 to get rid of the dead. Literally dying in the streets in some cases.. Models predicted and laid out what was needed to protect ourselves in such a situation. Basically it was ignored.. Schoolboys are running the show, the same ones that cried at school when someone called them names.. We need some grown ups with balls / spunk/ grit to sort this continual shit show out Lives matter | |||
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years. I knew about deaths in China in the November 2019..thousands of them, the crematoria were operating 24/7 to get rid of the dead. Literally dying in the streets in some cases.. Models predicted and laid out what was needed to protect ourselves in such a situation. Basically it was ignored.. Schoolboys are running the show, the same ones that cried at school when someone called them names.. We need some grown ups with balls / spunk/ grit to sort this continual shit show out Lives matter " Given the leadership of countries who have done much better I'd suggest a leader with a vagina rather than balls. | |||
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Perhaps a few hours at night school might help with your spelling to "Perhaps a few hours may help yours TOO! | |||
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years. I knew about deaths in China in the November 2019..thousands of them, the crematoria were operating 24/7 to get rid of the dead. Literally dying in the streets in some cases.. Models predicted and laid out what was needed to protect ourselves in such a situation. Basically it was ignored.. Schoolboys are running the show, the same ones that cried at school when someone called them names.. We need some grown ups with balls / spunk/ grit to sort this continual shit show out Lives matter Given the leadership of countries who have done much better I'd suggest a leader with a vagina rather than balls. " I hope you aren’t talking about Sturgeon! Given the density of population in Scotland she seems to have done far worse than Boris. Scotland’s deaths should be more on a par with those in Norway where as it is they aren’t much better than those in England. | |||
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years. I knew about deaths in China in the November 2019..thousands of them, the crematoria were operating 24/7 to get rid of the dead. Literally dying in the streets in some cases.. Models predicted and laid out what was needed to protect ourselves in such a situation. Basically it was ignored.. Schoolboys are running the show, the same ones that cried at school when someone called them names.. We need some grown ups with balls / spunk/ grit to sort this continual shit show out Lives matter Given the leadership of countries who have done much better I'd suggest a leader with a vagina rather than balls. I hope you aren’t talking about Sturgeon! Given the density of population in Scotland she seems to have done far worse than Boris. Scotland’s deaths should be more on a par with those in Norway where as it is they aren’t much better than those in England." No, I wasn't. | |||
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"Well, your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media. So I didn’t bother reading the rest. Was it made up he was shaking hands with vivid patients and nearly died from it himself?" As I say, I didn’t read the rest. I’m not into people politicising a virus. Especially when it’s with a clear agenda. Maybe if something was more balanced then fair enough. But when the opening statement is something that is completely untrue then the rest loses all credibility | |||
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"Well,your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media. So I didn’t bother reading the rest. Really?" Really? as in I don't believe you didn't read the rest or.. Really? as in 'your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media'? Or both? Please clarify | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total? "That statement is not correct either. I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!! | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one "How do you know? Did the liar tell you. Or is it straight from the horse's mouth. | |||
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"1 we want everyone to catch thi virus and build herd imunity. Bullshit 2 we have inough ppe in stock Bullshit 3 we have a world beating track and trace system. Bullshit 4 we only do what the scientists tell us. Bullshit 5 we value the nhs staff . Bullshit. 6 lf you get it youre imune. Bullshit 7 kids carnt get it Bullshit 8 we must all folow the rules unless you work for me. Bullshit 9 covid is going on holiday for xmass so its ok to go visit. Bullshit 10 we are keeping control of everyone entering the country. Bullshit 11 you can have a drink untill 9pm but not after because covid may get you. Bullshit 12 you can meet six but not seven or covid will get you. Bullshit. I am shure ive forgoten a few feel free to add on to this " I ask always the same question. What would you have done at that precise moment in time.. I'm no lover of politics but what a time to lead a country aye. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total? "So many things I'd like to say but... 1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well. 2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong. 3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
Which apparently now won't be enough to ease the restrictions as first thought.
This govt is constantly moving goalposts, zig zagging on its projections, and all the while making more and more things illegal. If they are following the science then the question needs to be asked on whether they're seeking the wrong advice from the wrong people. Ferguson and his imperial college mates are woefully short on correct modelling and have been all the way through. Perhaps it's time to try a different group of experts? "Did you find a better model that was available at that time yet?  | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!"Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect? | |||
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"Well,your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media. So I didn’t bother reading the rest. Really? Really? as in I don't believe you didn't read the rest or.. Really? as in 'your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media'? Or both? Please clarify" I'd like to know how the media completely made up the herd theory? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!
Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect? "The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!
Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect?
The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe. "Where does it lie? | |||
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years. I knew about deaths in China in the November 2019..thousands of them, the crematoria were operating 24/7 to get rid of the dead. Literally dying in the streets in some cases.. Models predicted and laid out what was needed to protect ourselves in such a situation. Basically it was ignored.. Schoolboys are running the show, the same ones that cried at school when someone called them names.. We need some grown ups with balls / spunk/ grit to sort this continual shit show out Lives matter Given the leadership of countries who have done much better I'd suggest a leader with a vagina rather than balls. " A Jimmy krankie lookalike maybe | |||
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"Well, your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media. So I didn’t bother reading the rest." Point 1 was a live statement made on Sunday 15th March 2020 where he said ‘some of our loved ones will not survive and we will take it on the chin’ I heard him so definitely not media spin.... | |||
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years. I knew about deaths in China in the November 2019..thousands of them, the crematoria were operating 24/7 to get rid of the dead. Literally dying in the streets in some cases.. Models predicted and laid out what was needed to protect ourselves in such a situation. Basically it was ignored.. Schoolboys are running the show, the same ones that cried at school when someone called them names.. We need some grown ups with balls / spunk/ grit to sort this continual shit show out Lives matter Given the leadership of countries who have done much better I'd suggest a leader with a vagina rather than balls. A Jimmy krankie lookalike maybe "Is this the same Jimmy krankie who makes boris look even. Bufoonish than usual? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!
Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect?
The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe. "BMJ The UK had a higher rate of excess deaths among people aged under 65 in 2020 than almost every other country in Europe, new figures from the Office for National Statistics show.1 By 18 December 2020 only Bulgaria had a higher cumulative excess mortality rate among under 65s (12.3% above the five year average) than the UK (at 7.7%). The ONS report, which looked at data from 26 countries, lays bare covid-19’s effects across Europe in 2020 and highlights the differing impact of the first and second waves of the pandemic. By midway through last year (26 June) the UK had the highest cumulative excess mortality rate in Europe of 6.7% across all age groups (table 1). By 18 December the UK (at 7.2%) remained among the 10 worst affected countries but was behind Poland (11.6%), Spain (10.6%), Belgium (9.7%), Bulgaria (8.9%), the Czech Republic (8.4%), and Slovenia (8.2%). | |||
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"Nothing to do with the UK being a relatively older, over weight population and any death with 28 days of having a positive Covid test... cause of death COVID 19" Presumably we are the only country on the planet with an aging population? | |||
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years. I knew about deaths in China in the November 2019..thousands of them, the crematoria were operating 24/7 to get rid of the dead. Literally dying in the streets in some cases.. Models predicted and laid out what was needed to protect ourselves in such a situation. Basically it was ignored.. Schoolboys are running the show, the same ones that cried at school when someone called them names.. We need some grown ups with balls / spunk/ grit to sort this continual shit show out Lives matter Given the leadership of countries who have done much better I'd suggest a leader with a vagina rather than balls. A Jimmy krankie lookalike maybe "Jacinda Arden Mette Frederiksen Tsai Ing-wen Sanna Marin ... | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
"Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time? Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one) | |||
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"Nothing to do with the UK being a relatively older, over weight population and any death with 28 days of having a positive Covid test... cause of death COVID 19 Presumably we are the only country on the planet with an aging population?" It's not only age, it's being among the fattest, unfittest and a higher than average bame population | |||
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"Nothing to do with the UK being a relatively older, over weight population and any death with 28 days of having a positive Covid test... cause of death COVID 19 Presumably we are the only country on the planet with an aging population? It's not only age, it's being among the fattest, unfittest and a higher than average bame population " I forgot no other countries had bame populations | |||
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"Well,your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media. So I didn’t bother reading the rest. Really? Really? as in I don't believe you didn't read the rest or.. Really? as in 'your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media'? Or both? Please clarify" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaAgP_Mggw | |||
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"Well,your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media. So I didn’t bother reading the rest. Really? Really? as in I don't believe you didn't read the rest or.. Really? as in 'your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media'? Or both? Please clarify I'd like to know how the media completely made up the herd theory?" " And Sir Patrick began to talk about the concept of herd immunity. Speaking about the coronavirus he said: "It's not possible to stop everybody getting it and it's also actually not desirable because you want some immunity in the population. We need immunity to protect ourselves from this in the future."" and.. . " Sir Patrick was on BBC Radio 4's Today programme. He said the thinking behind the government's approach was to try to "reduce the peak", and because most people would only get a "mild illness", to "build up some degree of herd immunity…" and... " On 12 March, the chief scientific adviser, Patrick Vallance, and chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, announced that the UK had moved from containing the virus to delaying its spread. Their plan was to flatten the curve of the epidemic that would sweep through our population. They reassured us that herd immunity would kick in once 60% of the population had been infected. " I think the OP requires an apology | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!
Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect?
The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe. "Who is higher? | |||
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"Well,your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media. So I didn’t bother reading the rest. Really? Really? as in I don't believe you didn't read the rest or.. Really? as in 'your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media'? Or both? Please clarify https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaAgP_Mggw" I was wondering when exactly the media just invented this theory out of thin air. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!
Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect?
The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe.
Who is higher? "If you are asking it shows you never bothered to look it up before you posted.!! | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!
Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect?
The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe.
Who is higher?
If you are asking it shows you never bothered to look it up before you posted.!!"You're saying I'm wrong yet you don't want to say what's right | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one) "Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together. The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!
Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect?
The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe.
Who is higher?
If you are asking it shows you never bothered to look it up before you posted.!!
You're saying I'm wrong yet you don't want to say what's right "Belgium and Czech republic to name two , last time I saw figures I believe we were 8th, however countries count differently so difficult to compare. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same."Ordering ppe for the NHS is nothing to do with the gmnt but they get full credit for the vaccine rollout..which was administered by...the NHS. How convenient. You have been proven to be wrong time and again over the care home fiasco. How many hospitals did boris say he was going to build again? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!
Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect?
The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe.
Who is higher?
If you are asking it shows you never bothered to look it up before you posted.!!
You're saying I'm wrong yet you don't want to say what's right
Belgium and Czech republic to name two , last time I saw figures I believe we were 8th, however countries count differently so difficult to compare."So why did we used to.compare them on a daily basis on the 1st few months of the pandemic? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!
Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect?
The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe.
Who is higher?
If you are asking it shows you never bothered to look it up before you posted.!!
You're saying I'm wrong yet you don't want to say what's right
Belgium and Czech republic to name two , last time I saw figures I believe we were 8th, however countries count differently so difficult to compare."Umm.... Worldometer figures as of today it says.. . UK total deaths 126,284 Czechia total deaths 25,055 Belgium total deaths 22,728 Mmmmmmkayyyy | |||
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"Nothing to do with the UK being a relatively older, over weight population and any death with 28 days of having a positive Covid test... cause of death COVID 19 Presumably we are the only country on the planet with an aging population? It's not only age, it's being among the fattest, unfittest and a higher than average bame population I forgot no other countries had bame populations" Try looking up percentages | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!
Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect?
The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe.
Who is higher?
If you are asking it shows you never bothered to look it up before you posted.!!
You're saying I'm wrong yet you don't want to say what's right
Belgium and Czech republic to name two , last time I saw figures I believe we were 8th, however countries count differently so difficult to compare.
So why did we used to.compare them on a daily basis on the 1st few months of the pandemic?"I don't remember death rates being compared? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!
Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect?
The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe.
Who is higher?
If you are asking it shows you never bothered to look it up before you posted.!!
You're saying I'm wrong yet you don't want to say what's right
Belgium and Czech republic to name two , last time I saw figures I believe we were 8th, however countries count differently so difficult to compare.
Umm.... Worldometer figures as of today it says.. .
UK total deaths 126,284
Czechia total deaths 25,055
Belgium total deaths 22,728
Mmmmmmkayyyy
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
Ordering ppe for the NHS is nothing to do with the gmnt but they get full credit for the vaccine rollout..which was administered by...the NHS.
How convenient.
You have been proven to be wrong time and again over the care home fiasco.
How many hospitals did boris say he was going to build again?"You have been asked time and time again about old folk, not once have you been able to show where else they could have gone, you did suggest the nightingales but then it was pointed out they werent open. If you blame boris for ppe then praise him for vaccine delivery, you cant have it both ways. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!
Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect?
The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe.
Who is higher?
If you are asking it shows you never bothered to look it up before you posted.!!
You're saying I'm wrong yet you don't want to say what's right
Belgium and Czech republic to name two , last time I saw figures I believe we were 8th, however countries count differently so difficult to compare.
Umm.... Worldometer figures as of today it says.. .
UK total deaths 126,284
Czechia total deaths 25,055
Belgium total deaths 22,728
Mmmmmmkayyyy
Number of deaths is not death rates.
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
That statement is not correct either.
I wonder if people actually check things before they post or just post what they read on Facebook.!!
Please inform me as to what about my statement is incorrect?
The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe.
Who is higher?
If you are asking it shows you never bothered to look it up before you posted.!!
You're saying I'm wrong yet you don't want to say what's right
Belgium and Czech republic to name two , last time I saw figures I believe we were 8th, however countries count differently so difficult to compare.
So why did we used to.compare them on a daily basis on the 1st few months of the pandemic?
I don't remember death rates being compared?
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years. I knew about deaths in China in the November 2019..thousands of them, the crematoria were operating 24/7 to get rid of the dead. Literally dying in the streets in some cases.. Models predicted and laid out what was needed to protect ourselves in such a situation. Basically it was ignored.. Schoolboys are running the show, the same ones that cried at school when someone called them names.. We need some grown ups with balls / spunk/ grit to sort this continual shit show out Lives matter Given the leadership of countries who have done much better I'd suggest a leader with a vagina rather than balls. A Jimmy krankie lookalike maybe
Is this the same Jimmy krankie who makes boris look even. Bufoonish than usual? "Perhaps we should roll out Joe Anderson to run things in his own inimitable way | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
Ordering ppe for the NHS is nothing to do with the gmnt but they get full credit for the vaccine rollout..which was administered by...the NHS.
How convenient.
You have been proven to be wrong time and again over the care home fiasco.
How many hospitals did boris say he was going to build again?
You have been asked time and time again about old folk, not once have you been able to show where else they could have gone, you did suggest the nightingales but then it was pointed out they werent open.
If you blame boris for ppe then praise him for vaccine delivery, you cant have it both ways."You didmt answer the question about the hospitals? | |||
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years. I knew about deaths in China in the November 2019..thousands of them, the crematoria were operating 24/7 to get rid of the dead. Literally dying in the streets in some cases.. Models predicted and laid out what was needed to protect ourselves in such a situation. Basically it was ignored.. Schoolboys are running the show, the same ones that cried at school when someone called them names.. We need some grown ups with balls / spunk/ grit to sort this continual shit show out Lives matter Given the leadership of countries who have done much better I'd suggest a leader with a vagina rather than balls. A Jimmy krankie lookalike maybe
Is this the same Jimmy krankie who makes boris look even. Bufoonish than usual?
Perhaps we should roll out Joe Anderson to run things in his own inimitable way"This may come as a shock to you...Joe Anderson is not the pm. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same."You side stepped my question ... apart from the vaccine what has he done right? | |||
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"Nothing to do with the UK being a relatively older, over weight population and any death with 28 days of having a positive Covid test... cause of death COVID 19 Presumably we are the only country on the planet with an aging population? It's not only age, it's being among the fattest, unfittest and a higher than average bame population I forgot no other countries had bame populations Try looking up percentages " Right ok So we are really unlucky then aremt we? We seem to uniquely affected by having the most overweight,lazy and elderly populations in the world combined with a uniquely high bame population which have all contributed to a shocking death rate, which is nothing whatsoever to do with how the crises has been handled.? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
Ordering ppe for the NHS is nothing to do with the gmnt but they get full credit for the vaccine rollout..which was administered by...the NHS.
How convenient.
You have been proven to be wrong time and again over the care home fiasco.
How many hospitals did boris say he was going to build again?
You have been asked time and time again about old folk, not once have you been able to show where else they could have gone, you did suggest the nightingales but then it was pointed out they werent open.
If you blame boris for ppe then praise him for vaccine delivery, you cant have it both ways.
You didmt answer the question about the hospitals?"Because it's not relevant atm, but as usual when proved wrong you deflect, it's time fir you to find a new identity this one has been found out, still waiting for you to say where the old folk should have gone in march last year | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one) "Well if you apply that superficial level of thought to the above one could conversely say for example..... The nhs order the ppe therefor he had nothing to do with it... Or the nhs manage their processes and procurements so shortages in nurses, Dr's, beds... Well the nhs manage that so that's nothing to do with him. You see the argument works both ways. Now I'm not defending him. I'm just saying the govt have done some things well amongst the many things that they haven't. But here's a thing... If we were all perfect and hadn't spread it to eachother... Well it would look different too.... Boris doesn't force anyone to be overweight and unhealthy and yet we are the fat boys of Europe.... Once again... I'm not in anyway defending some of the disaster that govt have been in charge of... But not everything they have done has been bad. And before you ask I'll give you a few... Furlough scheme, testing, vaccine program. | |||
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"3 weeks to flatten the curve . Bullshit Stay locked down and all over by Christmas. Bullshit Vaccinate the vulnerable and no more lockdowns. Bullshit Have your vaccine to return your freedoms ie travel, meeting up,and return to normal. Bullshit 3rd wave need to see if you can be released from prison sorry lockdown, vaccines don't count now new virus on the way. Anyone seeing the pattern no ok as you where then, follow the rules and be happy. " You've seen the roadmap and experienced the 1st stage. The 2nd stage is next Monday. It's useful that we're also given notice about things that could affect things but we're progressing in the right direction and lockdown has helped to make drastic cuts to infection levels. I'm 1 of the biggest critics of the government for their abysmal management of this. I do think it's right that we're now moving more cautiously, compared with how things happened after the first. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Well if you apply that superficial level of thought to the above one could conversely say for example.....
The nhs order the ppe therefor he had nothing to do with it...
Or the nhs manage their processes and procurements so shortages in nurses, Dr's, beds... Well the nhs manage that so that's nothing to do with him.
You see the argument works both ways. Now I'm not defending him. I'm just saying the govt have done some things well amongst the many things that they haven't. But here's a thing... If we were all perfect and hadn't spread it to eachother... Well it would look different too.... Boris doesn't force anyone to be overweight and unhealthy and yet we are the fat boys of Europe.... Once again... I'm not in anyway defending some of the disaster that govt have been in charge of... But not everything they have done has been bad. And before you ask I'll give you a few... Furlough scheme, testing, vaccine program. "Testing is done well? Wow my standards are higher do you not remember the farce where wee couldn’t get them for weeks? Where we were being sent hundreds of miles to test? Furlough scheme? 80%? With minimal sickness support? No national scheme just SSP? Vaccine yes I’ll give you that one | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Well if you apply that superficial level of thought to the above one could conversely say for example.....
The nhs order the ppe therefor he had nothing to do with it...
Or the nhs manage their processes and procurements so shortages in nurses, Dr's, beds... Well the nhs manage that so that's nothing to do with him.
You see the argument works both ways. Now I'm not defending him. I'm just saying the govt have done some things well amongst the many things that they haven't. But here's a thing... If we were all perfect and hadn't spread it to eachother... Well it would look different too.... Boris doesn't force anyone to be overweight and unhealthy and yet we are the fat boys of Europe.... Once again... I'm not in anyway defending some of the disaster that govt have been in charge of... But not everything they have done has been bad. And before you ask I'll give you a few... Furlough scheme, testing, vaccine program. "What do the dept of health do? | |||
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"Well,your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media. So I didn’t bother reading the rest. Really? Really? as in I don't believe you didn't read the rest or.. Really? as in 'your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media'? Or both? Please clarify I'd like to know how the media completely made up the herd theory? And Sir Patrick began to talk about the concept of herd immunity. Speaking about the coronavirus he said: "It's not possible to stop everybody getting it and it's also actually not desirable because you want some immunity in the population. We need immunity to protect ourselves from this in the future." and.. . Sir Patrick was on BBC Radio 4's Today programme. He said the thinking behind the government's approach was to try to "reduce the peak", and because most people would only get a "mild illness", to "build up some degree of herd immunity… and... On 12 March, the chief scientific adviser, Patrick Vallance, and chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, announced that the UK had moved from containing the virus to delaying its spread. Their plan was to flatten the curve of the epidemic that would sweep through our population. They reassured us that herd immunity would kick in once 60% of the population had been infected. I think the OP requires an apology "The op very specifically blamed Boris.... You haven't mentioned Boris in your above... But you have mentioned some scientists. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
You side stepped my question ... apart from the vaccine what has he done right? "Cant you read ? As I said, One of if not the highest testing rates per million in the world, 50 % of the total worlds sequencing, which is vital for detecting new variants. Billions spent protecting jobs and businesses. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
You side stepped my question ... apart from the vaccine what has he done right?
Cant you read ? As I said,
One of if not the highest testing rates per million in the world,
50 % of the total worlds sequencing, which is vital for detecting new variants.
Billions spent protecting jobs and businesses. "Billions that will be recouped | |||
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"Nothing to do with the UK being a relatively older, over weight population and any death with 28 days of having a positive Covid test... cause of death COVID 19 Presumably we are the only country on the planet with an aging population? It's not only age, it's being among the fattest, unfittest and a higher than average bame population I forgot no other countries had bame populations Try looking up percentages Right ok So we are really unlucky then aremt we? We seem to uniquely affected by having the most overweight,lazy and elderly populations in the world combined with a uniquely high bame population which have all contributed to a shocking death rate, which is nothing whatsoever to do with how the crises has been handled.?" You're right... In the first part yes.. Even though you are being sarcastic. And the second part you are wrong... Because even though you say it has nothing to do with the govt response it very much was mishandled at the start. You missed off lots of other factors too. Like demographics, population densities, behaviour compliance to name but a few. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Well if you apply that superficial level of thought to the above one could conversely say for example.....
The nhs order the ppe therefor he had nothing to do with it...
Or the nhs manage their processes and procurements so shortages in nurses, Dr's, beds... Well the nhs manage that so that's nothing to do with him.
You see the argument works both ways. Now I'm not defending him. I'm just saying the govt have done some things well amongst the many things that they haven't. But here's a thing... If we were all perfect and hadn't spread it to eachother... Well it would look different too.... Boris doesn't force anyone to be overweight and unhealthy and yet we are the fat boys of Europe.... Once again... I'm not in anyway defending some of the disaster that govt have been in charge of... But not everything they have done has been bad. And before you ask I'll give you a few... Furlough scheme, testing, vaccine program.
Testing is done well? Wow my standards are higher do you not remember the farce where wee couldn’t get them for weeks? Where we were being sent hundreds of miles to test?
Furlough scheme? 80%? With minimal sickness support? No national scheme just SSP?
Vaccine yes I’ll give you that one "Is testing and has it worked well for months? Do you have any evidence of a handful of people being sent long other than Facebook? You see there was about a month when it was difficult and yet actually still worked with a little persevernce. Now in the middle of a national crisis I dont expect things to be perfect and I do expect that I might be asked to be a little flexible for a while. Testing has been running well for quite a while now. Now whether or not testing 1m people a day is a good strategy... Well we will find out. But we are bloody good at testing loads of people now. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Well if you apply that superficial level of thought to the above one could conversely say for example.....
The nhs order the ppe therefor he had nothing to do with it...
Or the nhs manage their processes and procurements so shortages in nurses, Dr's, beds... Well the nhs manage that so that's nothing to do with him.
You see the argument works both ways. Now I'm not defending him. I'm just saying the govt have done some things well amongst the many things that they haven't. But here's a thing... If we were all perfect and hadn't spread it to eachother... Well it would look different too.... Boris doesn't force anyone to be overweight and unhealthy and yet we are the fat boys of Europe.... Once again... I'm not in anyway defending some of the disaster that govt have been in charge of... But not everything they have done has been bad. And before you ask I'll give you a few... Furlough scheme, testing, vaccine program.
What do the dept of health do?"I have no idea but I'm sure google will help you. I could have a stab at a guess though. Why do you ask? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Well if you apply that superficial level of thought to the above one could conversely say for example.....
The nhs order the ppe therefor he had nothing to do with it...
Or the nhs manage their processes and procurements so shortages in nurses, Dr's, beds... Well the nhs manage that so that's nothing to do with him.
You see the argument works both ways. Now I'm not defending him. I'm just saying the govt have done some things well amongst the many things that they haven't. But here's a thing... If we were all perfect and hadn't spread it to eachother... Well it would look different too.... Boris doesn't force anyone to be overweight and unhealthy and yet we are the fat boys of Europe.... Once again... I'm not in anyway defending some of the disaster that govt have been in charge of... But not everything they have done has been bad. And before you ask I'll give you a few... Furlough scheme, testing, vaccine program.
What do the dept of health do?
I have no idea but I'm sure google will help you. I could have a stab at a guess though. Why do you ask? "Well I would have thought they helped run the NHS? | |||
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"1 we want everyone to catch thi virus and build herd imunity. Bullshit 2 we have inough ppe in stock Bullshit 3 we have a world beating track and trace system. Bullshit 4 we only do what the scientists tell us. Bullshit 5 we value the nhs staff . Bullshit. 6 lf you get it youre imune. Bullshit 7 kids carnt get it Bullshit 8 we must all folow the rules unless you work for me. Bullshit 9 covid is going on holiday for xmass so its ok to go visit. Bullshit 10 we are keeping control of everyone entering the country. Bullshit 11 you can have a drink untill 9pm but not after because covid may get you. Bullshit 12 you can meet six but not seven or covid will get you. Bullshit. I am shure ive forgoten a few feel free to add on to this " Your mindless crap is bullshit | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
You side stepped my question ... apart from the vaccine what has he done right?
Cant you read ? As I said,
One of if not the highest testing rates per million in the world,
50 % of the total worlds sequencing, which is vital for detecting new variants.
Billions spent protecting jobs and businesses.
Billions that will be recouped "Of course it will. The govt manage our money... What adult thinks all this is for free? Either you say they should pay people for isolating... In which case we all pay for it and as will our children (the ones thta have been bastardised all through this) or we dont pay for isolation... In which case they are criticised for not paying people to isolate. Were you under the impression that govt expenditure doesnt need to be funded? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Well if you apply that superficial level of thought to the above one could conversely say for example.....
The nhs order the ppe therefor he had nothing to do with it...
Or the nhs manage their processes and procurements so shortages in nurses, Dr's, beds... Well the nhs manage that so that's nothing to do with him.
You see the argument works both ways. Now I'm not defending him. I'm just saying the govt have done some things well amongst the many things that they haven't. But here's a thing... If we were all perfect and hadn't spread it to eachother... Well it would look different too.... Boris doesn't force anyone to be overweight and unhealthy and yet we are the fat boys of Europe.... Once again... I'm not in anyway defending some of the disaster that govt have been in charge of... But not everything they have done has been bad. And before you ask I'll give you a few... Furlough scheme, testing, vaccine program.
What do the dept of health do?
I have no idea but I'm sure google will help you. I could have a stab at a guess though. Why do you ask?
Well I would have thought they helped run the NHS?"I already said I don't know. And I still don't know. Again Why do you ask? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
You side stepped my question ... apart from the vaccine what has he done right?
Cant you read ? As I said,
One of if not the highest testing rates per million in the world,
50 % of the total worlds sequencing, which is vital for detecting new variants.
Billions spent protecting jobs and businesses.
Billions that will be recouped
Of course it will. The govt manage our money... What adult thinks all this is for free? Either you say they should pay people for isolating... In which case we all pay for it and as will our children (the ones thta have been bastardised all through this) or we dont pay for isolation... In which case they are criticised for not paying people to isolate.
Were you under the impression that govt expenditure doesnt need to be funded? "No of course not but it sort of negates the gmnt being in some way benevolent with that money. They spent out millions to keep the economy afloat but they will get it back. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Well if you apply that superficial level of thought to the above one could conversely say for example.....
The nhs order the ppe therefor he had nothing to do with it...
Or the nhs manage their processes and procurements so shortages in nurses, Dr's, beds... Well the nhs manage that so that's nothing to do with him.
You see the argument works both ways. Now I'm not defending him. I'm just saying the govt have done some things well amongst the many things that they haven't. But here's a thing... If we were all perfect and hadn't spread it to eachother... Well it would look different too.... Boris doesn't force anyone to be overweight and unhealthy and yet we are the fat boys of Europe.... Once again... I'm not in anyway defending some of the disaster that govt have been in charge of... But not everything they have done has been bad. And before you ask I'll give you a few... Furlough scheme, testing, vaccine program.
What do the dept of health do?
I have no idea but I'm sure google will help you. I could have a stab at a guess though. Why do you ask?
Well I would have thought they helped run the NHS?"So you admit you dont know what they do but do know boris is at fault for not buying ppe, not a good day for you again, that's the second thing you have admitted not knowing but still know boris is at fault que some more deflection | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Well if you apply that superficial level of thought to the above one could conversely say for example.....
The nhs order the ppe therefor he had nothing to do with it...
Or the nhs manage their processes and procurements so shortages in nurses, Dr's, beds... Well the nhs manage that so that's nothing to do with him.
You see the argument works both ways. Now I'm not defending him. I'm just saying the govt have done some things well amongst the many things that they haven't. But here's a thing... If we were all perfect and hadn't spread it to eachother... Well it would look different too.... Boris doesn't force anyone to be overweight and unhealthy and yet we are the fat boys of Europe.... Once again... I'm not in anyway defending some of the disaster that govt have been in charge of... But not everything they have done has been bad. And before you ask I'll give you a few... Furlough scheme, testing, vaccine program.
What do the dept of health do?
I have no idea but I'm sure google will help you. I could have a stab at a guess though. Why do you ask?
Well I would have thought they helped run the NHS?
I already said I don't know. And I still don't know. Again Why do you ask? "Because I dont really understand how in a state run institution,issues like ppe are nothing to do with the gmnt. They are ultimately responsible for how the nhs is run. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Well if you apply that superficial level of thought to the above one could conversely say for example.....
The nhs order the ppe therefor he had nothing to do with it...
Or the nhs manage their processes and procurements so shortages in nurses, Dr's, beds... Well the nhs manage that so that's nothing to do with him.
You see the argument works both ways. Now I'm not defending him. I'm just saying the govt have done some things well amongst the many things that they haven't. But here's a thing... If we were all perfect and hadn't spread it to eachother... Well it would look different too.... Boris doesn't force anyone to be overweight and unhealthy and yet we are the fat boys of Europe.... Once again... I'm not in anyway defending some of the disaster that govt have been in charge of... But not everything they have done has been bad. And before you ask I'll give you a few... Furlough scheme, testing, vaccine program.
What do the dept of health do?
I have no idea but I'm sure google will help you. I could have a stab at a guess though. Why do you ask?
Well I would have thought they helped run the NHS?
So you admit you dont know what they do but do know boris is at fault for not buying ppe, not a good day for you again, that's the second thing you have admitted not knowing but still know boris is at fault que some more deflection"I'd ask you to point out exactly where I said I dont know what the doh does but we both know it will be a waste of time. I'm presuming you are not going to answer the question about hospitals,which I have asked twice? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
You side stepped my question ... apart from the vaccine what has he done right?
Cant you read ? As I said,
One of if not the highest testing rates per million in the world,
50 % of the total worlds sequencing, which is vital for detecting new variants.
Billions spent protecting jobs and businesses.
Billions that will be recouped
Of course it will. The govt manage our money... What adult thinks all this is for free? Either you say they should pay people for isolating... In which case we all pay for it and as will our children (the ones thta have been bastardised all through this) or we dont pay for isolation... In which case they are criticised for not paying people to isolate.
Were you under the impression that govt expenditure doesnt need to be funded?
No of course not but it sort of negates the gmnt being in some way benevolent with that money.
They spent out millions to keep the economy afloat but they will get it back."Nobody has said this govt have done anything benevolent. They introduced a policy is all. Its either a good policy or its not. | |||
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" Billions spent protecting jobs and businesses. Billions that will be recouped " The newly announced holiday fines should help in replenishing the coffers! | |||
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"Well, your point 1 is untrue and didn’t happen. That was completely made up and twisted by the media. So I didn’t bother reading the rest." Clip on ITV | |||
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"I don't the Op likes Boris very much. Never mind he'll get the chance to vote him out in a little over 3 1/2 years time. Mind you, Labour will need a credible leader for that to happen though. " So will the Tories if they want to stay in power! | |||
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years. I knew about deaths in China in the November 2019..thousands of them, the crematoria were operating 24/7 to get rid of the dead. Literally dying in the streets in some cases.. Models predicted and laid out what was needed to protect ourselves in such a situation. Basically it was ignored.. Schoolboys are running the show, the same ones that cried at school when someone called them names.. We need some grown ups with balls / spunk/ grit to sort this continual shit show out Lives matter Given the leadership of countries who have done much better I'd suggest a leader with a vagina rather than balls. A Jimmy krankie lookalike maybe
Is this the same Jimmy krankie who makes boris look even. Bufoonish than usual?
Perhaps we should roll out Joe Anderson to run things in his own inimitable way
This may come as a shock to you...Joe Anderson is not the pm."I think the shock may come when this government step in to get your councils affairs in order. Then you'll have something to belly ache and whine about. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one "Well said | |||
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While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total? "They seem to be doing a good job of catching up | |||
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years." Nice to see proper observations | |||
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While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total? "What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Well if you apply that superficial level of thought to the above one could conversely say for example.....
The nhs order the ppe therefor he had nothing to do with it...
Or the nhs manage their processes and procurements so shortages in nurses, Dr's, beds... Well the nhs manage that so that's nothing to do with him.
You see the argument works both ways. Now I'm not defending him. I'm just saying the govt have done some things well amongst the many things that they haven't. But here's a thing... If we were all perfect and hadn't spread it to eachother... Well it would look different too.... Boris doesn't force anyone to be overweight and unhealthy and yet we are the fat boys of Europe.... Once again... I'm not in anyway defending some of the disaster that govt have been in charge of... But not everything they have done has been bad. And before you ask I'll give you a few... Furlough scheme, testing, vaccine program.
What do the dept of health do?
I have no idea but I'm sure google will help you. I could have a stab at a guess though. Why do you ask?
Well I would have thought they helped run the NHS?
So you admit you dont know what they do but do know boris is at fault for not buying ppe, not a good day for you again, that's the second thing you have admitted not knowing but still know boris is at fault que some more deflection" | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Well if you apply that superficial level of thought to the above one could conversely say for example.....
The nhs order the ppe therefor he had nothing to do with it...
Or the nhs manage their processes and procurements so shortages in nurses, Dr's, beds... Well the nhs manage that so that's nothing to do with him.
You see the argument works both ways. Now I'm not defending him. I'm just saying the govt have done some things well amongst the many things that they haven't. But here's a thing... If we were all perfect and hadn't spread it to eachother... Well it would look different too.... Boris doesn't force anyone to be overweight and unhealthy and yet we are the fat boys of Europe.... Once again... I'm not in anyway defending some of the disaster that govt have been in charge of... But not everything they have done has been bad. And before you ask I'll give you a few... Furlough scheme, testing, vaccine program.
What do the dept of health do?
I have no idea but I'm sure google will help you. I could have a stab at a guess though. Why do you ask?
Well I would have thought they helped run the NHS?
So you admit you dont know what they do but do know boris is at fault for not buying ppe, not a good day for you again, that's the second thing you have admitted not knowing but still know boris is at fault que some more deflection
I'd ask you to point out exactly where I said I dont know what the doh does but we both know it will be a waste of time.
I'm presuming you are not going to answer the question about hospitals,which I have asked twice?"Would it be where I said its ( new hospitals) arent relevant to this thread, if you want to discuss future plans for the nhs then start a thread and we can discuss it. You said in two posts you didnt know what the dept of health did in the second you said " I already said I dodnt know and still dont" cant be much clearer can you, As you have shown before when you cant answer you just deflect which no doubt you will again | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Well if you apply that superficial level of thought to the above one could conversely say for example.....
The nhs order the ppe therefor he had nothing to do with it...
Or the nhs manage their processes and procurements so shortages in nurses, Dr's, beds... Well the nhs manage that so that's nothing to do with him.
You see the argument works both ways. Now I'm not defending him. I'm just saying the govt have done some things well amongst the many things that they haven't. But here's a thing... If we were all perfect and hadn't spread it to eachother... Well it would look different too.... Boris doesn't force anyone to be overweight and unhealthy and yet we are the fat boys of Europe.... Once again... I'm not in anyway defending some of the disaster that govt have been in charge of... But not everything they have done has been bad. And before you ask I'll give you a few... Furlough scheme, testing, vaccine program.
What do the dept of health do?
I have no idea but I'm sure google will help you. I could have a stab at a guess though. Why do you ask?
Well I would have thought they helped run the NHS?
So you admit you dont know what they do but do know boris is at fault for not buying ppe, not a good day for you again, that's the second thing you have admitted not knowing but still know boris is at fault que some more deflection
I'd ask you to point out exactly where I said I dont know what the doh does but we both know it will be a waste of time.
I'm presuming you are not going to answer the question about hospitals,which I have asked twice?
Would it be where I said its ( new hospitals) arent relevant to this thread, if you want to discuss future plans for the nhs then start a thread and we can discuss it.
You said in two posts you didnt know what the dept of health did in the second you said " I already said I dodnt know and still dont" cant be much clearer can you,
As you have shown before when you cant answer you just deflect which no doubt you will again "I'd perhaps go and double check who actually made those posts if I were you. New hospitals are not relevant to a discussion about hospitals being overrun and needing new space,? Right you are. | |||
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Is this the same Jimmy krankie who makes boris look even. Bufoonish than usual?
Perhaps we should roll out Joe Anderson to run things in his own inimitable way
This may come as a shock to you...Joe Anderson is not the pm.
I think the shock may come when this government step in to get your councils affairs in order. Then you'll have something to belly ache and whine about. "Would you like to draw a connection between the handling of a national crises and the financial affairs of liverpool city council? That would be most appropriated | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument"How do you measure ‘death rate’? | |||
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years. I knew about deaths in China in the November 2019..thousands of them, the crematoria were operating 24/7 to get rid of the dead. Literally dying in the streets in some cases.. Models predicted and laid out what was needed to protect ourselves in such a situation. Basically it was ignored.. Schoolboys are running the show, the same ones that cried at school when someone called them names.. We need some grown ups with balls / spunk/ grit to sort this continual shit show out Lives matter Given the leadership of countries who have done much better I'd suggest a leader with a vagina rather than balls. A Jimmy krankie lookalike maybe
Is this the same Jimmy krankie who makes boris look even. Bufoonish than usual?
Perhaps we should roll out Joe Anderson to run things in his own inimitable way
This may come as a shock to you...Joe Anderson is not the pm.
I think the shock may come when this government step in to get your councils affairs in order. Then you'll have something to belly ache and whine about.
Would you like to draw a connection between the handling of a national crises and the financial affairs of liverpool city council?
That would be most appropriated
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"It's like no-one knew anything about a completely new virus. Damn our world leaders and other professionals failing to be able to see into the future! Yes, lots of things have been done very badly BUT a lot of the info from early on, for example, can children catch/transmit, we're always couched (by scientists) as being only working hypotheses, because we simply did not know! Fifteen months on from its emergence in China, we know a lot more about the science, but we still can't possibly know everything. For example, we have no idea what the long term effects are of natural Covid infection and can't ever know that until we've followed patients for a number of years. I knew about deaths in China in the November 2019..thousands of them, the crematoria were operating 24/7 to get rid of the dead. Literally dying in the streets in some cases.. Models predicted and laid out what was needed to protect ourselves in such a situation. Basically it was ignored.. Schoolboys are running the show, the same ones that cried at school when someone called them names.. We need some grown ups with balls / spunk/ grit to sort this continual shit show out Lives matter Given the leadership of countries who have done much better I'd suggest a leader with a vagina rather than balls. A Jimmy krankie lookalike maybe
Is this the same Jimmy krankie who makes boris look even. Bufoonish than usual?
Perhaps we should roll out Joe Anderson to run things in his own inimitable way
This may come as a shock to you...Joe Anderson is not the pm.
I think the shock may come when this government step in to get your councils affairs in order. Then you'll have something to belly ache and whine about.
Would you like to draw a connection between the handling of a national crises and the financial affairs of liverpool city council?
That would be most appropriated
Yes both involve misappropriated funds and jobs for the boys, lack of fair tendering etc etc"Yes you are right I do apologise. It Is very similar to what boris and co have been upto. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’? "The dead bodies get counted | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same."What would I have done differently if in charge? 1. Read the Cygnus Report & order PPE 2. Attended & Led Cobra meetings & actually listen to ‘the science’ 3. Shut the borders 4. Stopped super spreader events - Cheltenham, European Football, all crowd events 5. Avoid shaking peoples hands! 6. Lockdown earlier I think this would have madeca significant difference. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
What would I have done differently if in charge?
1. Read the Cygnus Report & order PPE
2. Attended & Led Cobra meetings & actually listen to ‘the science’
3. Shut the borders
4. Stopped super spreader events - Cheltenham, European Football, all crowd events
5. Avoid shaking peoples hands!
6. Lockdown earlier
I think this would have madeca significant difference.
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted"Then we are the worst in Europe | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe "Not by population we are not | |||
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"When did the global pandemic change and become a global competition?" When the gmnt used to compare our death rate to other countires and boris announced we had vaccinated more people than the rest of Europe? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not"Where are we? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
What would I have done differently if in charge?
1. Read the Cygnus Report & order PPE
2. Attended & Led Cobra meetings & actually listen to ‘the science’
3. Shut the borders
4. Stopped super spreader events - Cheltenham, European Football, all crowd events
5. Avoid shaking peoples hands!
6. Lockdown earlier
I think this would have madeca significant difference.
It's not possible to say what you might have done then, with the benefit of hindsight you can now claim this is what you might have done."He was told not to shake hands before hand. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
What would I have done differently if in charge?
1. Read the Cygnus Report & order PPE
2. Attended & Led Cobra meetings & actually listen to ‘the science’
3. Shut the borders
4. Stopped super spreader events - Cheltenham, European Football, all crowd events
5. Avoid shaking peoples hands!
6. Lockdown earlier
I think this would have madeca significant difference.
It's not possible to say what you might have done then, with the benefit of hindsight you can now claim this is what you might have done.
He was told not to shake hands before hand."I'm talking about the hindsight of the poster not BoJo's we all know he's an idiot | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not
Where are we?"Is there such a thing as a "winning death rate"? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not"Lets not forget that different countries report deaths differently. You can't just compare like for like. The UK death rate from covid reporting in no way resembles somewhere say like Africa which has large areas of remote villages, which are going to be included (at best) rarely. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not
Lets not forget that different countries report deaths differently. You can't just compare like for like. The UK death rate from covid reporting in no way resembles somewhere say like Africa which has large areas of remote villages, which are going to be included (at best) rarely."Agreed which is why it was futile to try and compare | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not"Make your mind up, if it is about ‘counting dead bodies’ we are the worst | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not
Where are we?
Is there such a thing as a "winning death rate"?"There is no such thing No one is 'winning ' However some countires have much lower death rates than others. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not
Lets not forget that different countries report deaths differently. You can't just compare like for like. The UK death rate from covid reporting in no way resembles somewhere say like Africa which has large areas of remote villages, which are going to be included (at best) rarely."Africa isn’t in Europe | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not
Lets not forget that different countries report deaths differently. You can't just compare like for like. The UK death rate from covid reporting in no way resembles somewhere say like Africa which has large areas of remote villages, which are going to be included (at best) rarely.
Agreed which is why it was futile to try and compare"I'll ask this one more time. So why did the gmnt used to compare us with other countries,? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
What would I have done differently if in charge?
1. Read the Cygnus Report & order PPE
2. Attended & Led Cobra meetings & actually listen to ‘the science’
3. Shut the borders
4. Stopped super spreader events - Cheltenham, European Football, all crowd events
5. Avoid shaking peoples hands!
6. Lockdown earlier
I think this would have madeca significant difference.
"I agree with most of that apart from 2 important things that you've missed off... Even if he were superman / woman / god or goddess he doesn't run the country on his own, I dislike it being personalised to one person, its inaccurate and its unnecessary and I understand the need for some to use it for effect. He relies on an impartial group of scientists and a civil service for much of the decision making and execution. Secondly, an item you missed from the list is that they have relied all along on the great British public doing the right things, doing as was asked of them in a time of global crisis... An example being... We want a Xmas we want a Xmas how inhumane we can't have a Xmas, how draconian we can't have a Xmas.... Which 3 days before changed to some saying .. Hmmm maybe it's not such a bright idea, 2 days before... Actually.. We have new evidence and people should have a modest Xmas and not meet too many people.. a few more saying... Well fuck it I've planned it all now and bought me food so I'm doing it because 2 weeks ago Boris said we can have Xmas together....choosing to forget what was said afterwards. So on your list... 7. Stronger, firmer leadership with clear enforcement of rules and guidelines from day 1...ie "we aren't fucking about here"... And yes that would have included throwing cummings to the wolves... (even though the police found he had done no wrong somehow)... On the last point i don't for one moment believe intelligent people can bla. E someone else for breaking the guidelines but as sure as shit if he'd have been binned it would have removed one of the most commonly trotted out defences.... But he didn't, they did.. And here we are. | |||
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"When did the global pandemic change and become a global competition? When the gmnt used to compare our death rate to other countires and boris announced we had vaccinated more people than the rest of Europe?" And here's me thinking all along that the pandemic was a global effort to stem the tide of the virus, when it appears we've been in a race to win it? Irrespective of the fact that winning wouldn't be winning really, because while there are countries lagging behind the theat of virus upsurge will always be there. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not
Lets not forget that different countries report deaths differently. You can't just compare like for like. The UK death rate from covid reporting in no way resembles somewhere say like Africa which has large areas of remote villages, which are going to be included (at best) rarely.
Africa isn’t in Europe "Neither is Mars, and as far as I'm aware their death rate/infection rate is zero... Perhaos we should all follow their example? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
What would I have done differently if in charge?
1. Read the Cygnus Report & order PPE
2. Attended & Led Cobra meetings & actually listen to ‘the science’
3. Shut the borders
4. Stopped super spreader events - Cheltenham, European Football, all crowd events
5. Avoid shaking peoples hands!
6. Lockdown earlier
I think this would have madeca significant difference.
I agree with most of that apart from 2 important things that you've missed off...
Even if he were superman / woman / god or goddess he doesn't run the country on his own, I dislike it being personalised to one person, its inaccurate and its unnecessary and I understand the need for some to use it for effect. He relies on an impartial group of scientists and a civil service for much of the decision making and execution.
Secondly, an item you missed from the list is that they have relied all along on the great British public doing the right things, doing as was asked of them in a time of global crisis... An example being...
We want a Xmas we want a Xmas how inhumane we can't have a Xmas, how draconian we can't have a Xmas.... Which 3 days before changed to some saying .. Hmmm maybe it's not such a bright idea, 2 days before... Actually.. We have new evidence and people should have a modest Xmas and not meet too many people.. a few more saying... Well fuck it I've planned it all now and bought me food so I'm doing it because 2 weeks ago Boris said we can have Xmas together....choosing to forget what was said afterwards.
So on your list...
7. Stronger, firmer leadership with clear enforcement of rules and guidelines from day 1...ie "we aren't fucking about here"... And yes that would have included throwing cummings to the wolves... (even though the police found he had done no wrong somehow)...
On the last point i don't for one moment believe intelligent people can bla. E someone else for breaking the guidelines but as sure as shit if he'd have been binned it would have removed one of the most commonly trotted out defences.... But he didn't, they did.. And here we are. "Re Christmas johnson was told to have a circuit break before Christmas by sage and starmer agreed with this. He completely ignored it and accused starmer of wanting to cancel Christmas. This is nothing whatsoever to do with the public,this is johnson trying to appear popular and using covid to score political points. When he was forced to shut down a few weeks later,this led to the unnecessary deaths of x amount of people. He needs to answer for that. | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
So many things I'd like to say but...
1)It is possible for people to make mistakes and also do some other things well.
2) making mistakes and getting things wrong does not mean everything you do is a mistake or wrong.
3) doing some things well does not mean you do everything well.
Wow abs that’s your assessment of the most incompetent leader of all time?
Point 3 what has he done well? (He ordered vaccine yes but the NHS actually rolled it out so not that one)
Whereas the nhs order the ppe but because there wasnt enough it was Boris's fault, you cant have it both ways, also there was a worldwide shortage of ppe several countries stopped exporting it which didnt help, as for testing we are testing nearly ten times the number France is, we are sequencing half the amount the rest of the world is put together.
The major issue at the start was sending old folks back to care homes, however despite asking many times no one has suggested where else they could have gone, the nightingale hospitals werent running and hospital.beds were needed for covid patients that had a realistic chance of surviving,now while some will scream every life matters governments have to make painful choices and plenty of other countries also did the same.
What would I have done differently if in charge?
1. Read the Cygnus Report & order PPE
2. Attended & Led Cobra meetings & actually listen to ‘the science’
3. Shut the borders
4. Stopped super spreader events - Cheltenham, European Football, all crowd events
5. Avoid shaking peoples hands!
6. Lockdown earlier
I think this would have madeca significant difference.
I agree with most of that apart from 2 important things that you've missed off...
Even if he were superman / woman / god or goddess he doesn't run the country on his own, I dislike it being personalised to one person, its inaccurate and its unnecessary and I understand the need for some to use it for effect. He relies on an impartial group of scientists and a civil service for much of the decision making and execution.
Secondly, an item you missed from the list is that they have relied all along on the great British public doing the right things, doing as was asked of them in a time of global crisis... An example being...
We want a Xmas we want a Xmas how inhumane we can't have a Xmas, how draconian we can't have a Xmas.... Which 3 days before changed to some saying .. Hmmm maybe it's not such a bright idea, 2 days before... Actually.. We have new evidence and people should have a modest Xmas and not meet too many people.. a few more saying... Well fuck it I've planned it all now and bought me food so I'm doing it because 2 weeks ago Boris said we can have Xmas together....choosing to forget what was said afterwards.
So on your list...
7. Stronger, firmer leadership with clear enforcement of rules and guidelines from day 1...ie "we aren't fucking about here"... And yes that would have included throwing cummings to the wolves... (even though the police found he had done no wrong somehow)...
On the last point i don't for one moment believe intelligent people can bla. E someone else for breaking the guidelines but as sure as shit if he'd have been binned it would have removed one of the most commonly trotted out defences.... But he didn't, they did.. And here we are.
Re Christmas johnson was told to have a circuit break before Christmas by sage and starmer agreed with this.
He completely ignored it and accused starmer of wanting to cancel Christmas. This is nothing whatsoever to do with the public,this is johnson trying to appear popular and using covid to score political points.
When he was forced to shut down a few weeks later,this led to the unnecessary deaths of x amount of people.
He needs to answer for that."Wales did and look what good that did i think rather than just believing whats in your head you should check 1st. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/did-wales-s-circuit-breaker-work- | |||
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"When did the global pandemic change and become a global competition? When the gmnt used to compare our death rate to other countires and boris announced we had vaccinated more people than the rest of Europe? And here's me thinking all along that the pandemic was a global effort to stem the tide of the virus, when it appears we've been in a race to win it? Irrespective of the fact that winning wouldn't be winning really, because while there are countries lagging behind the theat of virus upsurge will always be there. I'm presuming you are just ignoring my posts which dont suit your narrative? "I'll ask this one more time. So why did the gmnt used to compare us with other countries"? Possibly for information to show that this is a global pandemic, and how it's affecting countries around the world?" Fair enough. Why did they stop? | |||
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"When did the global pandemic change and become a global competition? When the gmnt used to compare our death rate to other countires and boris announced we had vaccinated more people than the rest of Europe? And here's me thinking all along that the pandemic was a global effort to stem the tide of the virus, when it appears we've been in a race to win it? Irrespective of the fact that winning wouldn't be winning really, because while there are countries lagging behind the theat of virus upsurge will always be there. Agreed, so our vaccine rollout isn’t really winning either Didnt boris say our vaccine roll out was the the best in Europe? A view echoed on here." Could it have been as a confidence booster, not as a way of implying it's a competition? | |||
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"When did the global pandemic change and become a global competition? When the gmnt used to compare our death rate to other countires and boris announced we had vaccinated more people than the rest of Europe? And here's me thinking all along that the pandemic was a global effort to stem the tide of the virus, when it appears we've been in a race to win it? Irrespective of the fact that winning wouldn't be winning really, because while there are countries lagging behind the theat of virus upsurge will always be there. Agreed, so our vaccine rollout isn’t really winning either Didnt boris say our vaccine roll out was the the best in Europe? A view echoed on here. Could it have been as a confidence booster, not as a way of implying it's a competition?" I'm not sure I can really argue with that. When boris compares us to other countries it's a morale booster but when someone does it on here ,its not a valid comparison. | |||
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"When did the global pandemic change and become a global competition? When the gmnt used to compare our death rate to other countires and boris announced we had vaccinated more people than the rest of Europe? And here's me thinking all along that the pandemic was a global effort to stem the tide of the virus, when it appears we've been in a race to win it? Irrespective of the fact that winning wouldn't be winning really, because while there are countries lagging behind the theat of virus upsurge will always be there. I'm presuming you are just ignoring my posts which dont suit your narrative? "I'll ask this one more time. So why did the gmnt used to compare us with other countries"? Possibly for information to show that this is a global pandemic, and how it's affecting countries around the world? Fair enough. Why did they stop?" Dunno, I didn't attend the relevant COBRA meeting, it's not information I'm privy to, nor you I suspect? | |||
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"When did the global pandemic change and become a global competition? When the gmnt used to compare our death rate to other countires and boris announced we had vaccinated more people than the rest of Europe? And here's me thinking all along that the pandemic was a global effort to stem the tide of the virus, when it appears we've been in a race to win it? Irrespective of the fact that winning wouldn't be winning really, because while there are countries lagging behind the theat of virus upsurge will always be there. I'm presuming you are just ignoring my posts which dont suit your narrative? "I'll ask this one more time. So why did the gmnt used to compare us with other countries"? Possibly for information to show that this is a global pandemic, and how it's affecting countries around the world? Fair enough. Why did they stop? Dunno, I didn't attend the relevant COBRA meeting, it's not information I'm privy to, nor you I suspect?" I didnt I suspect it was probally coincidental they stopped at around the same time as our rate overtook most of europe. | |||
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"When did the global pandemic change and become a global competition? When the gmnt used to compare our death rate to other countires and boris announced we had vaccinated more people than the rest of Europe? And here's me thinking all along that the pandemic was a global effort to stem the tide of the virus, when it appears we've been in a race to win it? Irrespective of the fact that winning wouldn't be winning really, because while there are countries lagging behind the theat of virus upsurge will always be there. Agreed, so our vaccine rollout isn’t really winning either Didnt boris say our vaccine roll out was the the best in Europe? A view echoed on here. Could it have been as a confidence booster, not as a way of implying it's a competition? I'm not sure I can really argue with that. When boris compares us to other countries it's a morale booster but when someone does it on here ,its not a valid comparison. " To be honest, when Boris has compared us to other countries, I've never once heard him say it in a competitive way or imply it's a competition... Have you? | |||
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"When did the global pandemic change and become a global competition? When the gmnt used to compare our death rate to other countires and boris announced we had vaccinated more people than the rest of Europe? And here's me thinking all along that the pandemic was a global effort to stem the tide of the virus, when it appears we've been in a race to win it? Irrespective of the fact that winning wouldn't be winning really, because while there are countries lagging behind the theat of virus upsurge will always be there. Agreed, so our vaccine rollout isn’t really winning either Didnt boris say our vaccine roll out was the the best in Europe? A view echoed on here. Could it have been as a confidence booster, not as a way of implying it's a competition? I'm not sure I can really argue with that. When boris compares us to other countries it's a morale booster but when someone does it on here ,its not a valid comparison. To be honest, when Boris has compared us to other countries, I've never once heard him say it in a competitive way or imply it's a competition... Have you?" Ok..when boris said our vaccine rate was better than most of europe..this was in no way an attempt to say how much better we were doing than the rest of europe? | |||
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"When did the global pandemic change and become a global competition? When the gmnt used to compare our death rate to other countires and boris announced we had vaccinated more people than the rest of Europe? And here's me thinking all along that the pandemic was a global effort to stem the tide of the virus, when it appears we've been in a race to win it? Irrespective of the fact that winning wouldn't be winning really, because while there are countries lagging behind the theat of virus upsurge will always be there. Agreed, so our vaccine rollout isn’t really winning either Didnt boris say our vaccine roll out was the the best in Europe? A view echoed on here. Could it have been as a confidence booster, not as a way of implying it's a competition? I'm not sure I can really argue with that. When boris compares us to other countries it's a morale booster but when someone does it on here ,its not a valid comparison. To be honest, when Boris has compared us to other countries, I've never once heard him say it in a competitive way or imply it's a competition... Have you? Ok..when boris said our vaccine rate was better than most of europe..this was in no way an attempt to say how much better we were doing than the rest of europe?" Again, to help build confidence, not imply we're winning some kind of global race would be my interpretation | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not
Make your mind up, if it is about ‘counting dead bodies’ we are the worst "No we're probably one of the best at counting, some are not as diligent as UK | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not
Lets not forget that different countries report deaths differently. You can't just compare like for like. The UK death rate from covid reporting in no way resembles somewhere say like Africa which has large areas of remote villages, which are going to be included (at best) rarely.
Agreed which is why it was futile to try and compare
I'll ask this one more time.
So why did the gmnt used to compare us with other countries,?"If you have to keep asking you're obviously not learning | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not
Make your mind up, if it is about ‘counting dead bodies’ we are the worst
No we're probably one of the best at counting, some are not as diligent as UK"I am not sure if I agree, the man this thread is all about can’t even count the number of children he has | |||
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"Lionel.... Early on during our first wave of covid-19 the charts shown on TV was number of deaths. This was not death rate it was number of deaths. Fab... Death rate is a calculation of population and number of deaths. It's a simply calculation if you paid attention during your Math class." 4th highest death rate 1st highest death total | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not
Make your mind up, if it is about ‘counting dead bodies’ we are the worst
No we're probably one of the best at counting, some are not as diligent as UK
I am not sure if I agree, the man this thread is all about can’t even count the number of children he has " | |||
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"When did the global pandemic change and become a global competition? When the gmnt used to compare our death rate to other countires and boris announced we had vaccinated more people than the rest of Europe? And here's me thinking all along that the pandemic was a global effort to stem the tide of the virus, when it appears we've been in a race to win it? Irrespective of the fact that winning wouldn't be winning really, because while there are countries lagging behind the theat of virus upsurge will always be there. Agreed, so our vaccine rollout isn’t really winning either Didnt boris say our vaccine roll out was the the best in Europe? A view echoed on here. Could it have been as a confidence booster, not as a way of implying it's a competition? I'm not sure I can really argue with that. When boris compares us to other countries it's a morale booster but when someone does it on here ,its not a valid comparison. To be honest, when Boris has compared us to other countries, I've never once heard him say it in a competitive way or imply it's a competition... Have you? Ok..when boris said our vaccine rate was better than most of europe..this was in no way an attempt to say how much better we were doing than the rest of europe?" It's not a competition, absolutely not. No. Nicht. | |||
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" Given the leadership of countries who have done much better I'd suggest a leader with a vagina rather than balls. I hope you aren’t talking about Sturgeon! Given the density of population in Scotland she seems to have done far worse than Boris. Scotland’s deaths should be more on a par with those in Norway where as it is they aren’t much better than those in England." Interesting suggestion about Norway. Would be interested to know if you know anything at all of either Scotland or Norway to make the comparison. Let me give you a hint- you are wrong. Deaths from purely from Covid 2020 250. With Covid on death certificate- 6500. You really, really need to educate yourself better. | |||
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"‘Boris’ and ‘Sturgeon’ Says it all, really. Misogyny and class system at its worst. Calling him Boris doesn’t make him your friend. It doesn’t mean he’d say hi in the street or even consider you in any way whatsoever as an equal. There is a phrase which I can’t remember, to describe his way of working- refers to former pupils of elite schools (I use the word ‘elite’ advisedly). They may say anything at all to others and they are believed, thought of as a ‘jolly chap’ and intelligent but harmless. Consider yourselves being worked big time." There was an excellent piece about him in the guardian last week..its a long read but see if you can catch it. It was all about the image he portrays. | |||
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"‘Boris’ and ‘Sturgeon’ Says it all, really. Misogyny and class system at its worst. Calling him Boris doesn’t make him your friend. It doesn’t mean he’d say hi in the street or even consider you in any way whatsoever as an equal. There is a phrase which I can’t remember, to describe his way of working- refers to former pupils of elite schools (I use the word ‘elite’ advisedly). They may say anything at all to others and they are believed, thought of as a ‘jolly chap’ and intelligent but harmless. Consider yourselves being worked big time. There was an excellent piece about him in the guardian last week..its a long read but see if you can catch it. It was all about the image he portrays." It was a good article | |||
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"I will indeed- thanks. I have suspected for a long time his ‘just out of bed’ look is manufactured to work to an advantage." I think there is definitely an aspect of that there. What that says about an electorate who gives a buffoon an 80 seat majority is anyones guess? | |||
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"‘Boris’ and ‘Sturgeon’ Says it all, really. Misogyny and class system at its worst. Calling him Boris doesn’t make him your friend. It doesn’t mean he’d say hi in the street or even consider you in any way whatsoever as an equal. There is a phrase which I can’t remember, to describe his way of working- refers to former pupils of elite schools (I use the word ‘elite’ advisedly). They may say anything at all to others and they are believed, thought of as a ‘jolly chap’ and intelligent but harmless. Consider yourselves being worked big time. There was an excellent piece about him in the guardian last week..its a long read but see if you can catch it. It was all about the image he portrays. It was a good article" It was..very eye opening. | |||
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"I will indeed- thanks. I have suspected for a long time his ‘just out of bed’ look is manufactured to work to an advantage. I think there is definitely an aspect of that there. What that says about an electorate who gives a buffoon an 80 seat majority is anyones guess?" it says the electorate wanted to leave the EU Lionel | |||
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"I will indeed- thanks. I have suspected for a long time his ‘just out of bed’ look is manufactured to work to an advantage. I think there is definitely an aspect of that there. What that says about an electorate who gives a buffoon an 80 seat majority is anyones guess?it says the electorate wanted to leave the EU Lionel " More people didn’t vote for him, so what does that mean? | |||
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"He also bought more vaccine than the rest of the EU put together with which we have vaccinated nearly 50% of the UK population and reduced deaths from Covid massively. You forgot that one
While that is true, do you think it erases the previous culpability over our European winning death rate total?
What "European winning death rate" some people just shouldn't be allowed to watch MSM. It peaked for a week but has never been a winning total unless you massage the figures to suit the argument
How do you measure ‘death rate’?
The dead bodies get counted
Then we are the worst in Europe
Not by population we are not
Make your mind up, if it is about ‘counting dead bodies’ we are the worst
No we're probably one of the best at counting, some are not as diligent as UK
I am not sure if I agree, the man this thread is all about can’t even count the number of children he has " | |||
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"I will indeed- thanks. I have suspected for a long time his ‘just out of bed’ look is manufactured to work to an advantage. I think there is definitely an aspect of that there. What that says about an electorate who gives a buffoon an 80 seat majority is anyones guess?it says the electorate wanted to leave the EU Lionel More people didn’t vote for him, so what does that mean? " nothing at all mate what do you think it means | |||
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"I will indeed- thanks. I have suspected for a long time his ‘just out of bed’ look is manufactured to work to an advantage. I think there is definitely an aspect of that there. What that says about an electorate who gives a buffoon an 80 seat majority is anyones guess?it says the electorate wanted to leave the EU Lionel More people didn’t vote for him, so what does that mean? " The system is broken but it's all we have. It does mean of course it's broken for all the parties | |||
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"I will indeed- thanks. I have suspected for a long time his ‘just out of bed’ look is manufactured to work to an advantage. I think there is definitely an aspect of that there. What that says about an electorate who gives a buffoon an 80 seat majority is anyones guess?it says the electorate wanted to leave the EU Lionel More people didn’t vote for him, so what does that mean? The system is broken but it's all we have. It does mean of course it's broken for all the parties" I agree | |||
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"I will indeed- thanks. I have suspected for a long time his ‘just out of bed’ look is manufactured to work to an advantage. I think there is definitely an aspect of that there. What that says about an electorate who gives a buffoon an 80 seat majority is anyones guess?it says the electorate wanted to leave the EU Lionel More people didn’t vote for him, so what does that mean? nothing at all mate what do you think it means " It means nothing, just like your statement meant nothing . He didn’t get an 80 seat majority because the electorate wanted to leave the EU | |||
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