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"Blue passports. That we could have had anyway. That are manufactured in the EU." Actually they are manufactured in France not the EU. | |||
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"Blue passports. That we could have had anyway. That are manufactured in the EU. Actually they are manufactured in France not the EU." *Checks notes*. Yup, France is in the EU. | |||
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"Blue passports. That we could have had anyway. That are manufactured in the EU. Actually they are manufactured in France not the EU. *Checks notes*. Yup, France is in the EU." Think again. | |||
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"Blue passports. That we could have had anyway. That are manufactured in the EU. Actually they are manufactured in France not the EU. *Checks notes*. Yup, France is in the EU. Think again." France is definitely in the EU, our blue passports are manufactured in the EU | |||
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"Blue passports. That we could have had anyway. That are manufactured in the EU. Actually they are manufactured in France not the EU. *Checks notes*. Yup, France is in the EU. Think again. France is definitely in the EU, our blue passports are manufactured in the EU " Nope - The contract for passports was given to a French company. Not and EU company. France are also in NATO so that also makes our passports made by NATO then does it? | |||
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"Blue passports. That we could have had anyway. That are manufactured in the EU. Actually they are manufactured in France not the EU. *Checks notes*. Yup, France is in the EU. Think again. France is definitely in the EU, our blue passports are manufactured in the EU Nope - The contract for passports was given to a French company. Not and EU company. France are also in NATO so that also makes our passports made by NATO then does it? " They are manufactured in the EU subject to EU rules and regulations, | |||
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"Blue passports. That we could have had anyway. That are manufactured in the EU. Actually they are manufactured in France not the EU. *Checks notes*. Yup, France is in the EU. Think again. France is definitely in the EU, our blue passports are manufactured in the EU Nope - The contract for passports was given to a French company. Not and EU company. France are also in NATO so that also makes our passports made by NATO then does it? " Made in a NATO country. Yes. | |||
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"Nice positive thread Let's all list out some great Brexit achievements over the past 5 years. Go "To be serious though. A genuine benefit of brexit for the senior shareholders of Somerset Capital. They made 100s of millions of pounds when they crashed the value of sterling. | |||
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"Oh Dear. Who said it was an ‘EU company ‘ ? " Now you are catching up 
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"Oh Dear. Who said it was an ‘EU company ‘ ? Now you are catching up
fabriqué en France "No one said it was an ‘EU company’ but the company in France is definitely in the EU | |||
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"Blue passports. That we could have had anyway. That are manufactured in the EU. Actually they are manufactured in France not the EU." They are produced in Poland | |||
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"Blue passports. That we could have had anyway. That are manufactured in the EU. Actually they are manufactured in France not the EU. They are produced in Poland" Is Poland in the EU? | |||
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"Blue passports. That we could have had anyway. That are manufactured in the EU. Actually they are manufactured in France not the EU. They are produced in Poland Is Poland in the EU? " I'm correcting the notion that they are made in France. Which is in the EU. As is Poland. The UK isn't in the EU. It was once in the EU but isn't any more. And its actually a French-Dutch company. And The Netherlands is in the EU. | |||
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"Oh Dear. Who said it was an ‘EU company ‘ ? Now you are catching up
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"A french dutch company. .Sorry for not keeping up with new contracts. Doesn't change the point though. Poland or not. "
So Blue passports
That we could have had anyway.
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"A french dutch company. .Sorry for not keeping up with new contracts. Doesn't change the point though. Poland or not.
So Blue passports
That we could have had anyway.
Made in Poland, by a French Dutch company.
"omfg really aw wish I voted remain now made in Poland what a rip off lol | |||
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"Blue passports. That we could have had anyway. That are manufactured in the EU. Actually they are manufactured in France not the EU. They are produced in Poland Is Poland in the EU? I'm correcting the notion that they are made in France. Which is in the EU. As is Poland. The UK isn't in the EU. It was once in the EU but isn't any more. And its actually a French-Dutch company. And The Netherlands is in the EU. " Thanks, so up to now we have blue passports that are made in the EU? | |||
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"A french dutch company. .Sorry for not keeping up with new contracts. Doesn't change the point though. Poland or not.
So Blue passports
That we could have had anyway.
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omfg really aw wish I voted remain now made in Poland what a rip off lol"British passports made in the EU,  | |||
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"A french dutch company. .Sorry for not keeping up with new contracts. Doesn't change the point though. Poland or not.
So Blue passports
That we could have had anyway.
Made in Poland, by a French Dutch company.
omfg really aw wish I voted remain now made in Poland what a rip off lol
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"So. Our Blue Passport will be made in NATO "Do we need a new thread, benefits of NATO? This brexit one isn't doing very well. | |||
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"Are there any leavers who are obsessed with the colour of the passport as much as remainers are ?" Oi! We're on your side here. Adding brexit benefits. It's not our fault that the pickings are so slim.  | |||
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"A french dutch company. .Sorry for not keeping up with new contracts. Doesn't change the point though. Poland or not.
So Blue passports
That we could have had anyway.
Made in Poland, by a French Dutch company.
omfg really aw wish I voted remain now made in Poland what a rip off lol
British passports made in the EU, aw wish we where still in the eu now lol"Anyway, this thread is about Brexit benefits, | |||
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"Nice positive thread Let's all list out some great Brexit achievements over the past 5 years. Go "Must be a slow Friday | |||
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"Nice positive thread Let's all list out some great Brexit achievements over the past 5 years. Go
Must be a slow Friday "Is this a brexit benefit? I remember slow Fridays prior to brexit. | |||
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"Vaccine roll out." Nothing to do with Brexit, try again | |||
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"Nice positive thread Let's all list out some great Brexit achievements over the past 5 years. Go
Must be a slow Friday "That isn’t very positive, this is a positive thread | |||
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"Umm brexit has only happened what are you talking about 5 years lol" Brexit happened a year and three months ago. | |||
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"An increase in original threads not based on other people's brilliance "This is for Brexit benefits, please read the OP | |||
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"All those nasty east European oiks have fucked off back home. So we now have millions more jobs? " When did that happen | |||
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"Umm brexit has only happened what are you talking about 5 years lol" We voted out in 2016, but I know what you mean | |||
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"An increase in original threads not based on other people's brilliance
This is for Brexit benefits, please read the OP "It is a clear benefit. Since Brexit I've noticed a distinct reduction in the number of my thread ideas and phrases being stolen by others. It's not a coincidence. Apart from this thread of course. | |||
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"An increase in original threads not based on other people's brilliance
This is for Brexit benefits, please read the OP
It is a clear benefit. Since Brexit I've noticed a distinct reduction in the number of my thread ideas and phrases being stolen by others. It's not a coincidence.
Apart from this thread of course. "Poor, come on Chris, the benefits of Brexit, go | |||
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"Blue passports. That we could have had anyway. That are manufactured in the EU. Actually they are manufactured in France not the EU." That last comment has to be one of the most ludicrous I've read yet, that's quite an achievement, well done | |||
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"So. Our Blue Passport will be made in NATO "Now your getting desperate | |||
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"Is this going to be one of those threads which descends into pointless bickering? Just give us 10 bone fide post brexit benefits and we can move on." Correct, this is a positive thread for positive responses | |||
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"Is this going to be one of those threads which descends into pointless bickering? Just give us 10 bone fide post brexit benefits and we can move on." You go first in my original Pro Europe thread Lionel, I insist | |||
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"Is this going to be one of those threads which descends into pointless bickering? Just give us 10 bone fide post brexit benefits and we can move on. You go first in my original Pro Europe thread Lionel, I insist "I have listed 5, now you list 5 Brexit benefits | |||
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"Is this going to be one of those threads which descends into pointless bickering? Just give us 10 bone fide post brexit benefits and we can move on. You go first in my original Pro Europe thread Lionel, I insist "Scatchches head...surely The boris knitting circle must have plenty... | |||
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"Is this going to be one of those threads which descends into pointless bickering? Just give us 10 bone fide post brexit benefits and we can move on. You go first in my original Pro Europe thread Lionel, I insist
I have listed 5, now you list 5 Brexit benefits "Please refer to my previous threads | |||
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"Is this going to be one of those threads which descends into pointless bickering? Just give us 10 bone fide post brexit benefits and we can move on. You go first in my original Pro Europe thread Lionel, I insist
I have listed 5, now you list 5 Brexit benefits
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"Is this going to be one of those threads which descends into pointless bickering? Just give us 10 bone fide post brexit benefits and we can move on. You go first in my original Pro Europe thread Lionel, I insist
I have listed 5, now you list 5 Brexit benefits
Please refer to my previous threads
Just list 5 benefits, this is a positive thread about positive benefits "I make it a rule not to get involved with cheap knock off threads | |||
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"Is this going to be one of those threads which descends into pointless bickering? Just give us 10 bone fide post brexit benefits and we can move on. You go first in my original Pro Europe thread Lionel, I insist
I have listed 5, now you list 5 Brexit benefits
Please refer to my previous threads "None of your previous threads touched on brexit benefits. | |||
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"Is this going to be one of those threads which descends into pointless bickering? Just give us 10 bone fide post brexit benefits and we can move on. You go first in my original Pro Europe thread Lionel, I insist
I have listed 5, now you list 5 Brexit benefits
Please refer to my previous threads
Just list 5 benefits, this is a positive thread about positive benefits
I make it a rule not to get involved with cheap knock off threads "Yet here you are? Still no benefits? | |||
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"British farmers can now chop their hedges down if they want" Correct, that’s one | |||
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"British farmers can now chop their hedges down if they want Correct, that’s one " Sounds bad for wildlife and the environment. Is this definitely a benefit? | |||
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" Is this definitely a benefit?" Not in my opinion. Any better benefits ? | |||
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"Is this going to be one of those threads which descends into pointless bickering? Just give us 10 bone fide post brexit benefits and we can move on. You go first in my original Pro Europe thread Lionel, I insist
I have listed 5, now you list 5 Brexit benefits
Please refer to my previous threads
Just list 5 benefits, this is a positive thread about positive benefits
I make it a rule not to get involved with cheap knock off threads
Yet here you are? Still no benefits? "No worries, as soon as an original thread that doesn't steal my material pops up I shall be first to post my usual thought provoking insights | |||
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"Is this going to be one of those threads which descends into pointless bickering? Just give us 10 bone fide post brexit benefits and we can move on. You go first in my original Pro Europe thread Lionel, I insist
I have listed 5, now you list 5 Brexit benefits
Please refer to my previous threads
Just list 5 benefits, this is a positive thread about positive benefits
I make it a rule not to get involved with cheap knock off threads
Yet here you are? Still no benefits?
No worries, as soon as an original thread that doesn't steal my material pops up I shall be first to post my usual thought provoking insights "Still nothing?? | |||
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"British farmers can now chop their hedges down if they want Correct, that’s one Sounds bad for wildlife and the environment. Is this definitely a benefit?" Good point, shall we put it as a maybe | |||
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"British farmers can now chop their hedges down if they want" 
There was brexit crackpot on the radio a while ago who actually argued that was a benefit.
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"British farmers can now chop their hedges down if they want
There was brexit crackpot on the radio a while ago who actually argued that was a benefit.
So 9 more."We have blue passports made in the EU, so 8 more | |||
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"British farmers can now chop their hedges down if they want
There was brexit crackpot on the radio a while ago who actually argued that was a benefit.
So 9 more.
We have blue passports made in the EU, so 8 more "Oh yeah..who could forget the blue passports.. | |||
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"British farmers can now chop their hedges down if they want
There was brexit crackpot on the radio a while ago who actually argued that was a benefit.
So 9 more.
We have blue passports made in the EU, so 8 more
Oh yeah..who could forget the blue passports.. "The lads who own Somerset Capital made millions. That's a verifiable benefit. For them. | |||
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"British farmers can now chop their hedges down if they want
There was brexit crackpot on the radio a while ago who actually argued that was a benefit.
So 9 more.
We have blue passports made in the EU, so 8 more
Oh yeah..who could forget the blue passports..
The lads who own Somerset Capital made millions.
That's a verifiable benefit. For them."That’s 3, how about the possible banning of fois gras ? Does that make it 4?? | |||
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"Let's all mind to keep down the level of salty tears, positive thoughts "Salty tears, is that a benefit? | |||
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"Production of fois gras ceased in Britain in 2006. Are you talking about banning the import ?" Yes, banning it in restaurants | |||
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"Production of fois gras ceased in Britain in 2006. Are you talking about banning the import ? Yes, banning it in restaurants " Definitely a plus point | |||
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"Production of fois gras ceased in Britain in 2006. Are you talking about banning the import ? Yes, banning it in restaurants Definitely a plus point" I agree, that’s 4 now | |||
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"The people in the EU parliament don't have to see Farage's stupid face or listen to his inane drivel anymore. That's a definite brexit benefit. " True, that’s 5 | |||
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"The people in the EU parliament don't have to see Farage's stupid face or listen to his inane drivel anymore. That's a definite brexit benefit. " Another warning about the level of salt ITT | |||
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"The people in the EU parliament don't have to see Farage's stupid face or listen to his inane drivel anymore. That's a definite brexit benefit. Another warning about the level of salt ITT " Is that a benefit? | |||
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"The people in the EU parliament don't have to see Farage's stupid face or listen to his inane drivel anymore. That's a definite brexit benefit. Another warning about the level of salt ITT " We're on you side here thinking of brexit positives. It's not our fault that the pickings are so slim. | |||
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"The people in the EU parliament don't have to see Farage's stupid face or listen to his inane drivel anymore. That's a definite brexit benefit. Another warning about the level of salt ITT We're on you side here thinking of brexit positives. It's not our fault that the pickings are so slim. " Don’t be too harsh, more salt could be a benefit | |||
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"The Spanish are struggling to import Heinz baked beans as they fall foul of the proof of origin rules, unless Heinz disclose their complete recipe. Benefit much cleaner air for our British holiday makers in the Spanish resorts." That’s a good one, less farting in Benidorm, I will add it to the list | |||
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"Vacine roll out No interference from European courts Being able to plot our own future. Being able to skit remoaners lol" Vaccine roll out, nothing to do with Brexit I will add the other 3 though, I think we have 7 now | |||
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"Vacine roll out No interference from European courts Being able to plot our own future. Being able to skit remoaners lol Vaccine roll out, nothing to do with Brexit I will add the other 3 though, I think we have 7 now " Seeing as we have to adhere to EU regs, but no longer have a seat at the decision making table. I'd suggest that we have less say in our own future. "Skit remoaners" is legit though. | |||
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"Vacine roll out No interference from European courts Being able to plot our own future. Being able to skit remoaners lol Vaccine roll out, nothing to do with Brexit I will add the other 3 though, I think we have 7 now Seeing as we have to adhere to EU regs, but no longer have a seat at the decision making table. I'd suggest that we have less say in our own future. "Skit remoaners" is legit though. " True, so we can only really add ‘skit remoaners’ the this impressive list | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!!" But the remainers want instant gratification they dont think long term.  | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!!" | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!!But the remainers want instant gratification they dont think long term. "We voted to leave 5 years ago, how long do we have to wait? | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!!But the remainers want instant gratification they dont think long term.
We voted to leave 5 years ago, how long do we have to wait? "Nothing much can happen until you leave. Why did it take 5 years for it to happen? | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!!But the remainers want instant gratification they dont think long term.
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Nothing much can happen until you leave. Why did it take 5 years for it to happen?"I don't think the people that voted for it to happen wanted it to take 5 years | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!!But the remainers want instant gratification they dont think long term.
We voted to leave 5 years ago, how long do we have to wait?
Nothing much can happen until you leave. Why did it take 5 years for it to happen?
I don't think the people that voted for it to happen wanted it to take 5 years"True, but it did . | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!!But the remainers want instant gratification they dont think long term.
We voted to leave 5 years ago, how long do we have to wait?
Nothing much can happen until you leave. Why did it take 5 years for it to happen?
I don't think the people that voted for it to happen wanted it to take 5 years
True, but it did . "Some people seemed to think we'd leave a few days after the referendum. And that taking 4-5 years was "project fear". | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!!But the remainers want instant gratification they dont think long term.
We voted to leave 5 years ago, how long do we have to wait?
Nothing much can happen until you leave. Why did it take 5 years for it to happen?
I don't think the people that voted for it to happen wanted it to take 5 years
True, but it did .
Some people seemed to think we'd leave a few days after the referendum. And that taking 4-5 years was "project fear".
"Yes, easiest deal, home all the cards, they need more than we need them etc etc, it shouldn’t have taken more than a year | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!!But the remainers want instant gratification they dont think long term.
We voted to leave 5 years ago, how long do we have to wait?
Nothing much can happen until you leave. Why did it take 5 years for it to happen?
I don't think the people that voted for it to happen wanted it to take 5 years
True, but it did .
Some people seemed to think we'd leave a few days after the referendum. And that taking 4-5 years was "project fear".
Yes, easiest deal, home all the cards, they need more than we need them etc etc, it shouldn’t have taken more than a year "just another brexit moan thread nothing new here lol | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!!" What you’re talking about there is the incompetent governments that have been in power in the U.K. for the last 40 years. Our growth came about by being in common market. Thatcher knew a good thing to drag this country out of our outdated practices and incompetent management. Thatcher over did the pushing for services over manufacturing but that wasn’t anyone’s fault but the UK’s. We have constantly blamed others for our own shortcomings. We’ve had every opportunity to make our country better and consistently out parliamentary and privileged society has failed. Instead of leading and pushing our development we had the likes of Farage not turning up to any meetings to try and work for the good of those people he was supposedly meant to represent. We let these idiots run riot and wonder why we are not developing. Who will we blame next now the EU has gone ? We could have manufactured those passports in the U.K. as we have the technical ability but chose not to all by ourselves. That’s the level of our leaders. We have education that is falling behind . That’s nothing to do with the EU. The level of our MPs ability is down to our apathy of not caring who we elect to parliament. . Our governments are crap! They have squandered the tax we pay time and time again. To blame the EU is just churlish and childish nonsense. It’s our fault and we should hold our government to account but we don’t do we. | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!! What you’re talking about there is the incompetent governments that have been in power in the U.K. for the last 40 years. Our growth came about by being in common market. Thatcher knew a good thing to drag this country out of our outdated practices and incompetent management. Thatcher over did the pushing for services over manufacturing but that wasn’t anyone’s fault but the UK’s. We have constantly blamed others for our own shortcomings. We’ve had every opportunity to make our country better and consistently out parliamentary and privileged society has failed. Instead of leading and pushing our development we had the likes of Farage not turning up to any meetings to try and work for the good of those people he was supposedly meant to represent. We let these idiots run riot and wonder why we are not developing. Who will we blame next now the EU has gone ? We could have manufactured those passports in the U.K. as we have the technical ability but chose not to all by ourselves. That’s the level of our leaders. We have education that is falling behind . That’s nothing to do with the EU. The level of our MPs ability is down to our apathy of not caring who we elect to parliament. . Our governments are crap! They have squandered the tax we pay time and time again. To blame the EU is just churlish and childish nonsense. It’s our fault and we should hold our government to account but we don’t do we. " Not really true though is it? over the years the eu have made it so every country has its own little part to play in the grand scheme of things.The uk ended up with banking and services the fishing and manufacturing was gradually eroded, france became farmers and fishermen,italy manufacturing and ship building Germany obviously kept some of each in case it all went pair shaped but the whole idea was that everyone was dependent on the others so no one could ever leave the hotel California.The uk burst that bubble and as the other poster said it will take time to repair the damage done. | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!! What you’re talking about there is the incompetent governments that have been in power in the U.K. for the last 40 years. Our growth came about by being in common market. Thatcher knew a good thing to drag this country out of our outdated practices and incompetent management. Thatcher over did the pushing for services over manufacturing but that wasn’t anyone’s fault but the UK’s. We have constantly blamed others for our own shortcomings. We’ve had every opportunity to make our country better and consistently out parliamentary and privileged society has failed. Instead of leading and pushing our development we had the likes of Farage not turning up to any meetings to try and work for the good of those people he was supposedly meant to represent. We let these idiots run riot and wonder why we are not developing. Who will we blame next now the EU has gone ? We could have manufactured those passports in the U.K. as we have the technical ability but chose not to all by ourselves. That’s the level of our leaders. We have education that is falling behind . That’s nothing to do with the EU. The level of our MPs ability is down to our apathy of not caring who we elect to parliament. . Our governments are crap! They have squandered the tax we pay time and time again. To blame the EU is just churlish and childish nonsense. It’s our fault and we should hold our government to account but we don’t do we. Not really true though is it? over the years the eu have made it so every country has its own little part to play in the grand scheme of things.The uk ended up with banking and services the fishing and manufacturing was gradually eroded, france became farmers and fishermen,italy manufacturing and ship building Germany obviously kept some of each in case it all went pair shaped but the whole idea was that everyone was dependent on the others so no one could ever leave the hotel California.The uk burst that bubble and as the other poster said it will take time to repair the damage done. " I understand your sentiment but I don’t agree . We had amazing ship builders but when the far east started to compete Germany invested where we just shut down and didn’t invest and our government didn’t step in to help as others governments did. The U.K. manufacturing base was slaughtered by thatchers mob. It needed reform but they threw them to the wolves with the cheap far east imports being allowed because free market was king whatever the cost. . . The miners were doomed well before thatcher came to power as the Tory party wanted revenge for the humiliation of Heath. Financial Big Bang made London richer and helped raise some tax but not as much as it should have done. You know my views on the tax. I did well from thatcher and I voted for her so am being a hypocrite but couldn’t see it at the time as all I saw was profit. As I dealt more with the system I realised how bad and full of vested interests it really is. The U.K.’s leadership method is flawed in my opinion. It’s about power not what’s right. When do MPs ever say actually we’ve got this wrong we need to do it differently. It’s always going well and if it fails it’s someone else’s fault. Gove blamed business for not being ready for Brexit. So why are we waiting until next year for HMRC to be ready for their import checks bit? It’s lies to help the spin it’s that simple | |||
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"Vacine roll out No interference from European courts Being able to plot our own future. Being able to skit remoaners lol Vaccine roll out, nothing to do with Brexit I will add the other 3 though, I think we have 7 now Seeing as we have to adhere to EU regs, but no longer have a seat at the decision making table. I'd suggest that we have less say in our own future. "Skit remoaners" is legit though. True, so we can only really add ‘skit remoaners’ the this impressive list " It's fucking formidable  | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!!But the remainers want instant gratification they dont think long term.
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!!But the remainers want instant gratification they dont think long term.
We voted to leave 5 years ago, how long do we have to wait?
Nothing much can happen until you leave. Why did it take 5 years for it to happen?
I don't think the people that voted for it to happen wanted it to take 5 years
True, but it did .
Some people seemed to think we'd leave a few days after the referendum. And that taking 4-5 years was "project fear".
Yes, easiest deal, home all the cards, they need more than we need them etc etc, it shouldn’t have taken more than a year just another brexit moan thread nothing new here lol"Did you read the OP, this is a positive thread about positive Brexit benefits, can you name one? | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!! What you’re talking about there is the incompetent governments that have been in power in the U.K. for the last 40 years. Our growth came about by being in common market. Thatcher knew a good thing to drag this country out of our outdated practices and incompetent management. Thatcher over did the pushing for services over manufacturing but that wasn’t anyone’s fault but the UK’s. We have constantly blamed others for our own shortcomings. We’ve had every opportunity to make our country better and consistently out parliamentary and privileged society has failed. Instead of leading and pushing our development we had the likes of Farage not turning up to any meetings to try and work for the good of those people he was supposedly meant to represent. We let these idiots run riot and wonder why we are not developing. Who will we blame next now the EU has gone ? We could have manufactured those passports in the U.K. as we have the technical ability but chose not to all by ourselves. That’s the level of our leaders. We have education that is falling behind . That’s nothing to do with the EU. The level of our MPs ability is down to our apathy of not caring who we elect to parliament. . Our governments are crap! They have squandered the tax we pay time and time again. To blame the EU is just churlish and childish nonsense. It’s our fault and we should hold our government to account but we don’t do we. Not really true though is it? over the years the eu have made it so every country has its own little part to play in the grand scheme of things.The uk ended up with banking and services the fishing and manufacturing was gradually eroded, france became farmers and fishermen,italy manufacturing and ship building Germany obviously kept some of each in case it all went pair shaped but the whole idea was that everyone was dependent on the others so no one could ever leave the hotel California.The uk burst that bubble and as the other poster said it will take time to repair the damage done. I understand your sentiment but I don’t agree . We had amazing ship builders but when the far east started to compete Germany invested where we just shut down and didn’t invest and our government didn’t step in to help as others governments did. The U.K. manufacturing base was slaughtered by thatchers mob. It needed reform but they threw them to the wolves with the cheap far east imports being allowed because free market was king whatever the cost. . . The miners were doomed well before thatcher came to power as the Tory party wanted revenge for the humiliation of Heath. Financial Big Bang made London richer and helped raise some tax but not as much as it should have done. You know my views on the tax. I did well from thatcher and I voted for her so am being a hypocrite but couldn’t see it at the time as all I saw was profit. As I dealt more with the system I realised how bad and full of vested interests it really is. The U.K.’s leadership method is flawed in my opinion. It’s about power not what’s right. When do MPs ever say actually we’ve got this wrong we need to do it differently. It’s always going well and if it fails it’s someone else’s fault. Gove blamed business for not being ready for Brexit. So why are we waiting until next year for HMRC to be ready for their import checks bit? It’s lies to help the spin it’s that simple " well we will have to agree to disagree as i dont see it your way either.You dont seem to believe what i do about the eu,s motives over the years. Well i say the eu but really mean Germany and France, wasnt it de gaulle who said "europe is france and germany the rest are just the trimmings"? What he failed to realise was that Germany had their sights set higher and with the master stroke of the euro Germany got richer and the rest poorer. | |||
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"I think you can blame the parliamentary system for the time it took. The democratic process, small majorities, politicians not having the balls to follow through with their convictions. Unfortunately Mrs May did not have the equipment to see it through. This probably being the biggest factor. The European politicians being very uncooperative It is a very emotive subject, the country was fairly evenly divided. All that slowed it up. Once there was a reasonable majority and someone in charge that actually wanted it to happen, it happened. We had been totally entwined with Europe and as I said earlier, such togetherness is not going to be undone in 5 minutes, without some pain. It is obvious from what has happened in the last couple of months that the agreement is going to have to be tinkered with as it is causing both us and Europe difficulties. The fact that both sides are having difficulties is down to the fact that the agreement is based on too many compromises and in a situation like this such compromises do not work. There will be some unpalatable consequences but these will have to be faced up to and the initial pain needs to be recognised and treatments put in place, so that both parties can move forward to better times. " What you are saying is that Brexit isn’t done ? | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!! What you’re talking about there is the incompetent governments that have been in power in the U.K. for the last 40 years. Our growth came about by being in common market. Thatcher knew a good thing to drag this country out of our outdated practices and incompetent management. Thatcher over did the pushing for services over manufacturing but that wasn’t anyone’s fault but the UK’s. We have constantly blamed others for our own shortcomings. We’ve had every opportunity to make our country better and consistently out parliamentary and privileged society has failed. Instead of leading and pushing our development we had the likes of Farage not turning up to any meetings to try and work for the good of those people he was supposedly meant to represent. We let these idiots run riot and wonder why we are not developing. Who will we blame next now the EU has gone ? We could have manufactured those passports in the U.K. as we have the technical ability but chose not to all by ourselves. That’s the level of our leaders. We have education that is falling behind . That’s nothing to do with the EU. The level of our MPs ability is down to our apathy of not caring who we elect to parliament. . Our governments are crap! They have squandered the tax we pay time and time again. To blame the EU is just churlish and childish nonsense. It’s our fault and we should hold our government to account but we don’t do we. Not really true though is it? over the years the eu have made it so every country has its own little part to play in the grand scheme of things.The uk ended up with banking and services the fishing and manufacturing was gradually eroded, france became farmers and fishermen,italy manufacturing and ship building Germany obviously kept some of each in case it all went pair shaped but the whole idea was that everyone was dependent on the others so no one could ever leave the hotel California.The uk burst that bubble and as the other poster said it will take time to repair the damage done. I understand your sentiment but I don’t agree . We had amazing ship builders but when the far east started to compete Germany invested where we just shut down and didn’t invest and our government didn’t step in to help as others governments did. The U.K. manufacturing base was slaughtered by thatchers mob. It needed reform but they threw them to the wolves with the cheap far east imports being allowed because free market was king whatever the cost. . . The miners were doomed well before thatcher came to power as the Tory party wanted revenge for the humiliation of Heath. Financial Big Bang made London richer and helped raise some tax but not as much as it should have done. You know my views on the tax. I did well from thatcher and I voted for her so am being a hypocrite but couldn’t see it at the time as all I saw was profit. As I dealt more with the system I realised how bad and full of vested interests it really is. The U.K.’s leadership method is flawed in my opinion. It’s about power not what’s right. When do MPs ever say actually we’ve got this wrong we need to do it differently. It’s always going well and if it fails it’s someone else’s fault. Gove blamed business for not being ready for Brexit. So why are we waiting until next year for HMRC to be ready for their import checks bit? It’s lies to help the spin it’s that simple well we will have to agree to disagree as i dont see it your way either.You dont seem to believe what i do about the eu,s motives over the years. Well i say the eu but really mean Germany and France, wasnt it de gaulle who said "europe is france and germany the rest are just the trimmings"? What he failed to realise was that Germany had their sights set higher and with the master stroke of the euro Germany got richer and the rest poorer. " I think Germany can tend to dominate as the biggest donor and economy, however I genuinely believe they would dominate the European markets even without the EU as the US dominates the America’s. I also believe the U.K. would have been on life support from the IMF consistently without the benefits of the European market. There a lot of hard working people in this country who deserve better home grown government. | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!! What you’re talking about there is the incompetent governments that have been in power in the U.K. for the last 40 years. Our growth came about by being in common market. Thatcher knew a good thing to drag this country out of our outdated practices and incompetent management. Thatcher over did the pushing for services over manufacturing but that wasn’t anyone’s fault but the UK’s. We have constantly blamed others for our own shortcomings. We’ve had every opportunity to make our country better and consistently out parliamentary and privileged society has failed. Instead of leading and pushing our development we had the likes of Farage not turning up to any meetings to try and work for the good of those people he was supposedly meant to represent. We let these idiots run riot and wonder why we are not developing. Who will we blame next now the EU has gone ? We could have manufactured those passports in the U.K. as we have the technical ability but chose not to all by ourselves. That’s the level of our leaders. We have education that is falling behind . That’s nothing to do with the EU. The level of our MPs ability is down to our apathy of not caring who we elect to parliament. . Our governments are crap! They have squandered the tax we pay time and time again. To blame the EU is just churlish and childish nonsense. It’s our fault and we should hold our government to account but we don’t do we. Not really true though is it? over the years the eu have made it so every country has its own little part to play in the grand scheme of things.The uk ended up with banking and services the fishing and manufacturing was gradually eroded, france became farmers and fishermen,italy manufacturing and ship building Germany obviously kept some of each in case it all went pair shaped but the whole idea was that everyone was dependent on the others so no one could ever leave the hotel California.The uk burst that bubble and as the other poster said it will take time to repair the damage done. I understand your sentiment but I don’t agree . We had amazing ship builders but when the far east started to compete Germany invested where we just shut down and didn’t invest and our government didn’t step in to help as others governments did. The U.K. manufacturing base was slaughtered by thatchers mob. It needed reform but they threw them to the wolves with the cheap far east imports being allowed because free market was king whatever the cost. . . The miners were doomed well before thatcher came to power as the Tory party wanted revenge for the humiliation of Heath. Financial Big Bang made London richer and helped raise some tax but not as much as it should have done. You know my views on the tax. I did well from thatcher and I voted for her so am being a hypocrite but couldn’t see it at the time as all I saw was profit. As I dealt more with the system I realised how bad and full of vested interests it really is. The U.K.’s leadership method is flawed in my opinion. It’s about power not what’s right. When do MPs ever say actually we’ve got this wrong we need to do it differently. It’s always going well and if it fails it’s someone else’s fault. Gove blamed business for not being ready for Brexit. So why are we waiting until next year for HMRC to be ready for their import checks bit? It’s lies to help the spin it’s that simple " I find it truly amazing how simpletons think Tories are the party of Patriots because they have a union jack in the background, when it was Thatcher who sold us off to the highest bidder and the current lot would flog their own mother for a few extra quid. | |||
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"Can someone summarise the list of benefits so far? The thread is quite long so I guess a few benefits should be in there somewhere?" Hedges Less farting in Benidorm Something about salt Irking remain voters Foie gras Having a crystal ball to plan for the future Lionel having a packed lunch I might have missed one or two | |||
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"Can someone summarise the list of benefits so far? The thread is quite long so I guess a few benefits should be in there somewhere? Hedges Less farting in Benidorm Something about salt Irking remain voters Foie gras Having a crystal ball to plan for the future Lionel having a packed lunch I might have missed one or two " I missed out blue passports | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!! What you’re talking about there is the incompetent governments that have been in power in the U.K. for the last 40 years. Our growth came about by being in common market. Thatcher knew a good thing to drag this country out of our outdated practices and incompetent management. Thatcher over did the pushing for services over manufacturing but that wasn’t anyone’s fault but the UK’s. We have constantly blamed others for our own shortcomings. We’ve had every opportunity to make our country better and consistently out parliamentary and privileged society has failed. Instead of leading and pushing our development we had the likes of Farage not turning up to any meetings to try and work for the good of those people he was supposedly meant to represent. We let these idiots run riot and wonder why we are not developing. Who will we blame next now the EU has gone ? We could have manufactured those passports in the U.K. as we have the technical ability but chose not to all by ourselves. That’s the level of our leaders. We have education that is falling behind . That’s nothing to do with the EU. The level of our MPs ability is down to our apathy of not caring who we elect to parliament. . Our governments are crap! They have squandered the tax we pay time and time again. To blame the EU is just churlish and childish nonsense. It’s our fault and we should hold our government to account but we don’t do we. Not really true though is it? over the years the eu have made it so every country has its own little part to play in the grand scheme of things.The uk ended up with banking and services the fishing and manufacturing was gradually eroded, france became farmers and fishermen,italy manufacturing and ship building Germany obviously kept some of each in case it all went pair shaped but the whole idea was that everyone was dependent on the others so no one could ever leave the hotel California.The uk burst that bubble and as the other poster said it will take time to repair the damage done. " | |||
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"The problem with most of the posters on these threads is that they are too young to remember the damage that was done to our whole way of working by joining the common market and all that followed with the integration into Europe and the EU. In the industry I was involved with, when I started work virtually everything we used was made in the UK. There was a gradual decline in our industries as cheap poor quality products from countries with much lower operating costs and standards of living flooded our markets due to the easy access. This drove many of our top quality businesses to the wall as we could not compete on cost. This was the start of lazy business, taking the easy option to the detriment of our own manufacturing industries. Gradually the companies that did survive got infiltrated by European Companies taking over control which sped the decline as they gradually moved production and facilities, utilising our expertise, to their own countries. In fact we were victims of our own success that everyone wanted what we had and we gradually let them take it. Our stupid Governments, both types, encouraged this decline. The standard of our politicians declined as they had virtually no control over what happened in this country as they just followed Europe and took their salaries with virtually no responsibility for their actions. All these devastating and catastrophic events did not happen overnight. The same as the benefits of leaving the EU and standing on our own feet again will be gradual. Hopefully now our Politicians will actually have more control of our destiny they will have to up their games and hopefully the quality of politicians will improve with the fruits of their endeavours being more visible. It will be a massive task to correct nearly 50 years of decline and I just pray that our Government have the strength to encourage faith back into our industries rather than lining the pockets of our European "friends" Take the passports. They should have been manufactured here and his would have signaled that we are going to encourage our own industries back. The move to manufacture things here seems to be starting to happen again due to the Pandemic exposing the foolishness of relying on other countries rather than our own for so many of our essential items. When we get this into our heads and continue to action it the upturn will be unprecedented. It is easy to niggle over the short term effects of such a massive rethink and if people think that there are going to be huge benefits over night they are in cloud cuckoo land but rest assured they will happen. It will be like turning an oil tanker, rather than a speed boat. I am ducking!!!! What you’re talking about there is the incompetent governments that have been in power in the U.K. for the last 40 years. Our growth came about by being in common market. Thatcher knew a good thing to drag this country out of our outdated practices and incompetent management. Thatcher over did the pushing for services over manufacturing but that wasn’t anyone’s fault but the UK’s. We have constantly blamed others for our own shortcomings. We’ve had every opportunity to make our country better and consistently out parliamentary and privileged society has failed. Instead of leading and pushing our development we had the likes of Farage not turning up to any meetings to try and work for the good of those people he was supposedly meant to represent. We let these idiots run riot and wonder why we are not developing. Who will we blame next now the EU has gone ? We could have manufactured those passports in the U.K. as we have the technical ability but chose not to all by ourselves. That’s the level of our leaders. We have education that is falling behind . That’s nothing to do with the EU. The level of our MPs ability is down to our apathy of not caring who we elect to parliament. . Our governments are crap! They have squandered the tax we pay time and time again. To blame the EU is just churlish and childish nonsense. It’s our fault and we should hold our government to account but we don’t do we. " Certain outcomes we agree on from your post but what we don't agree on is the source of the causes. We will have to beg to differ on that as we won't convince each other even if we debate till we are blue in the face. I think the poster has back handedly found another Brexit benefit. It will now be far easier to see when it is us that has cocked up, or shone, without having to go along with decisions that will serve other member states better than looking after our own needs. Hopefully the necessity to govern in our own right will turn our politicians from "yes persons" into ones with a bit of backbone | |||
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"I think you can blame the parliamentary system for the time it took. The democratic process, small majorities, politicians not having the balls to follow through with their convictions. Unfortunately Mrs May did not have the equipment to see it through. This probably being the biggest factor. The European politicians being very uncooperative It is a very emotive subject, the country was fairly evenly divided. All that slowed it up. Once there was a reasonable majority and someone in charge that actually wanted it to happen, it happened. We had been totally entwined with Europe and as I said earlier, such togetherness is not going to be undone in 5 minutes, without some pain. It is obvious from what has happened in the last couple of months that the agreement is going to have to be tinkered with as it is causing both us and Europe difficulties. The fact that both sides are having difficulties is down to the fact that the agreement is based on too many compromises and in a situation like this such compromises do not work. There will be some unpalatable consequences but these will have to be faced up to and the initial pain needs to be recognised and treatments put in place, so that both parties can move forward to better times. What you are saying is that Brexit isn’t done ? " Brexit is done but there still needs to be fine tuning. I do not believe that once the dust has settled, tweeks and the application of common sense to certain idiotic circumstances will not prevail.The UK government has got to get used to standing on its own 2 feet after for so long being nudged along in a direction that is not necessarily beneficial to the country's own well being by not having the balls to stop towing the line. | |||
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"I think you can blame the parliamentary system for the time it took. The democratic process, small majorities, politicians not having the balls to follow through with their convictions. Unfortunately Mrs May did not have the equipment to see it through. This probably being the biggest factor. The European politicians being very uncooperative It is a very emotive subject, the country was fairly evenly divided. All that slowed it up. Once there was a reasonable majority and someone in charge that actually wanted it to happen, it happened. We had been totally entwined with Europe and as I said earlier, such togetherness is not going to be undone in 5 minutes, without some pain. It is obvious from what has happened in the last couple of months that the agreement is going to have to be tinkered with as it is causing both us and Europe difficulties. The fact that both sides are having difficulties is down to the fact that the agreement is based on too many compromises and in a situation like this such compromises do not work. There will be some unpalatable consequences but these will have to be faced up to and the initial pain needs to be recognised and treatments put in place, so that both parties can move forward to better times. What you are saying is that Brexit isn’t done ? Brexit is done but there still needs to be fine tuning. I do not believe that once the dust has settled, tweeks and the application of common sense to certain idiotic circumstances will not prevail.The UK government has got to get used to standing on its own 2 feet after for so long being nudged along in a direction that is not necessarily beneficial to the country's own well being by not having the balls to stop towing the line." And that’s just bollocks ! The Uk helped create the EU .. we were there digging the fucking hole ..After the sudden and unexpected collapse of the Soviet Union it was the UK . that lead the way on the expansion of Europe ,taking in former soviet states like Poland and so forth to offer them free market access and stability for fear of them falling back into post war dictatorships and civil war. . We witnessed what happened to the former Yugoslavia and the Balkens . It was the Uk who banged our fist on the table and said this must happen for the sake of peace in Europe ..No one else was that keen ! The French , the Germans etc . We lead the way and created the EU as it is seen today . No one “ nurse maided “ us Stroll on 20 odd years and we are complaining it’s all to fucking big !! And now we want out after what we’ve help create and forced on others with a pathetic cry of it’s all stacked against us .. Wankers !!! That how we are now seen as a nation , Low life reneging tossers .. Some one who turns up to do a job then fucks of half way through cause it harder than they thought .. I wouldn’t have that subbie back on a job that’s for certain ... Stand in our own two feet pppffffttt .. we always were ! | |||
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"I think you can blame the parliamentary system for the time it took. The democratic process, small majorities, politicians not having the balls to follow through with their convictions. Unfortunately Mrs May did not have the equipment to see it through. This probably being the biggest factor. The European politicians being very uncooperative It is a very emotive subject, the country was fairly evenly divided. All that slowed it up. Once there was a reasonable majority and someone in charge that actually wanted it to happen, it happened. We had been totally entwined with Europe and as I said earlier, such togetherness is not going to be undone in 5 minutes, without some pain. It is obvious from what has happened in the last couple of months that the agreement is going to have to be tinkered with as it is causing both us and Europe difficulties. The fact that both sides are having difficulties is down to the fact that the agreement is based on too many compromises and in a situation like this such compromises do not work. There will be some unpalatable consequences but these will have to be faced up to and the initial pain needs to be recognised and treatments put in place, so that both parties can move forward to better times. What you are saying is that Brexit isn’t done ? Brexit is done but there still needs to be fine tuning. I do not believe that once the dust has settled, tweeks and the application of common sense to certain idiotic circumstances will not prevail.The UK government has got to get used to standing on its own 2 feet after for so long being nudged along in a direction that is not necessarily beneficial to the country's own well being by not having the balls to stop towing the line. And that’s just bollocks ! The Uk helped create the EU .. we were there digging the fucking hole ..After the sudden and unexpected collapse of the Soviet Union it was the UK . that lead the way on the expansion of Europe ,taking in former soviet states like Poland and so forth to offer them free market access and stability for fear of them falling back into post war dictatorships and civil war. . We witnessed what happened to the former Yugoslavia and the Balkens . It was the Uk who banged our fist on the table and said this must happen for the sake of peace in Europe ..No one else was that keen ! The French , the Germans etc . We lead the way and created the EU as it is seen today . No one “ nurse maided “ us Stroll on 20 odd years and we are complaining it’s all to fucking big !! And now we want out after what we’ve help create and forced on others with a pathetic cry of it’s all stacked against us .. Wankers !!! That how we are now seen as a nation , Low life reneging tossers .. Some one who turns up to do a job then fucks of half way through cause it harder than they thought .. I wouldn’t have that subbie back on a job that’s for certain ... Stand in our own two feet pppffffttt .. we always were ! " so because we took a democratic vote to leave we are seen as low life reneging tossers lol well how fucking dare we leave a club we helped create fucking democracy for ya lol | |||
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"I think you can blame the parliamentary system for the time it took. The democratic process, small majorities, politicians not having the balls to follow through with their convictions. Unfortunately Mrs May did not have the equipment to see it through. This probably being the biggest factor. The European politicians being very uncooperative It is a very emotive subject, the country was fairly evenly divided. All that slowed it up. Once there was a reasonable majority and someone in charge that actually wanted it to happen, it happened. We had been totally entwined with Europe and as I said earlier, such togetherness is not going to be undone in 5 minutes, without some pain. It is obvious from what has happened in the last couple of months that the agreement is going to have to be tinkered with as it is causing both us and Europe difficulties. The fact that both sides are having difficulties is down to the fact that the agreement is based on too many compromises and in a situation like this such compromises do not work. There will be some unpalatable consequences but these will have to be faced up to and the initial pain needs to be recognised and treatments put in place, so that both parties can move forward to better times. What you are saying is that Brexit isn’t done ? Brexit is done but there still needs to be fine tuning. I do not believe that once the dust has settled, tweeks and the application of common sense to certain idiotic circumstances will not prevail.The UK government has got to get used to standing on its own 2 feet after for so long being nudged along in a direction that is not necessarily beneficial to the country's own well being by not having the balls to stop towing the line. And that’s just bollocks ! The Uk helped create the EU .. we were there digging the fucking hole ..After the sudden and unexpected collapse of the Soviet Union it was the UK . that lead the way on the expansion of Europe ,taking in former soviet states like Poland and so forth to offer them free market access and stability for fear of them falling back into post war dictatorships and civil war. . We witnessed what happened to the former Yugoslavia and the Balkens . It was the Uk who banged our fist on the table and said this must happen for the sake of peace in Europe ..No one else was that keen ! The French , the Germans etc . We lead the way and created the EU as it is seen today . No one “ nurse maided “ us Stroll on 20 odd years and we are complaining it’s all to fucking big !! And now we want out after what we’ve help create and forced on others with a pathetic cry of it’s all stacked against us .. Wankers !!! That how we are now seen as a nation , Low life reneging tossers .. Some one who turns up to do a job then fucks of half way through cause it harder than they thought .. I wouldn’t have that subbie back on a job that’s for certain ... Stand in our own two feet pppffffttt .. we always were ! " Whattywhat? We helped to create the EU? Uh? Poland didn’t join until 2004 and many of us saw what a domesday machine the EU was since 1975, nothing to do with Eastern Europe. | |||
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"I think you can blame the parliamentary system for the time it took. The democratic process, small majorities, politicians not having the balls to follow through with their convictions. Unfortunately Mrs May did not have the equipment to see it through. This probably being the biggest factor. The European politicians being very uncooperative It is a very emotive subject, the country was fairly evenly divided. All that slowed it up. Once there was a reasonable majority and someone in charge that actually wanted it to happen, it happened. We had been totally entwined with Europe and as I said earlier, such togetherness is not going to be undone in 5 minutes, without some pain. It is obvious from what has happened in the last couple of months that the agreement is going to have to be tinkered with as it is causing both us and Europe difficulties. The fact that both sides are having difficulties is down to the fact that the agreement is based on too many compromises and in a situation like this such compromises do not work. There will be some unpalatable consequences but these will have to be faced up to and the initial pain needs to be recognised and treatments put in place, so that both parties can move forward to better times. What you are saying is that Brexit isn’t done ? Brexit is done but there still needs to be fine tuning. I do not believe that once the dust has settled, tweeks and the application of common sense to certain idiotic circumstances will not prevail.The UK government has got to get used to standing on its own 2 feet after for so long being nudged along in a direction that is not necessarily beneficial to the country's own well being by not having the balls to stop towing the line. And that’s just bollocks ! The Uk helped create the EU .. we were there digging the fucking hole ..After the sudden and unexpected collapse of the Soviet Union it was the UK . that lead the way on the expansion of Europe ,taking in former soviet states like Poland and so forth to offer them free market access and stability for fear of them falling back into post war dictatorships and civil war. . We witnessed what happened to the former Yugoslavia and the Balkens . It was the Uk who banged our fist on the table and said this must happen for the sake of peace in Europe ..No one else was that keen ! The French , the Germans etc . We lead the way and created the EU as it is seen today . No one “ nurse maided “ us Stroll on 20 odd years and we are complaining it’s all to fucking big !! And now we want out after what we’ve help create and forced on others with a pathetic cry of it’s all stacked against us .. Wankers !!! That how we are now seen as a nation , Low life reneging tossers .. Some one who turns up to do a job then fucks of half way through cause it harder than they thought .. I wouldn’t have that subbie back on a job that’s for certain ... Stand in our own two feet pppffffttt .. we always were ! so because we took a democratic vote to leave we are seen as low life reneging tossers lol well how fucking dare we leave a club we helped create fucking democracy for ya lol" It’s not about democracy, we have democracy in this country regardless of the Brexit vote or any other vote , And Democracy itself is open to a vast array of interpretations especially with the first past the post system we have . It’s about world order .. the UKs position in the world cause that’s were we live in a world .. Putin must of got the Vodka out the night of the referendum , the one obstacle to Russian involvement in Europe out of the way . The Americans must have put their head in their hands , The inside man , the allay at the table now rendering itself fucking useless and less viable as an allay ,, The only thing we can do now is stand on the sidelines and hold the jumpers whilst the game goes on .. Democracy ? .. to be asked a question so large and so vast on a single day , to ordinary voters was in know way a display of democracy .. We democratically vote leaders who should be trusted to lead at times of great political importance . A referenda is like asking the kids where they want to live .. Oh I know daddy let’s go and live in marshmallow land shall we ! | |||
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"I think you can blame the parliamentary system for the time it took. The democratic process, small majorities, politicians not having the balls to follow through with their convictions. Unfortunately Mrs May did not have the equipment to see it through. This probably being the biggest factor. The European politicians being very uncooperative It is a very emotive subject, the country was fairly evenly divided. All that slowed it up. Once there was a reasonable majority and someone in charge that actually wanted it to happen, it happened. We had been totally entwined with Europe and as I said earlier, such togetherness is not going to be undone in 5 minutes, without some pain. It is obvious from what has happened in the last couple of months that the agreement is going to have to be tinkered with as it is causing both us and Europe difficulties. The fact that both sides are having difficulties is down to the fact that the agreement is based on too many compromises and in a situation like this such compromises do not work. There will be some unpalatable consequences but these will have to be faced up to and the initial pain needs to be recognised and treatments put in place, so that both parties can move forward to better times. What you are saying is that Brexit isn’t done ? Brexit is done but there still needs to be fine tuning. I do not believe that once the dust has settled, tweeks and the application of common sense to certain idiotic circumstances will not prevail.The UK government has got to get used to standing on its own 2 feet after for so long being nudged along in a direction that is not necessarily beneficial to the country's own well being by not having the balls to stop towing the line. And that’s just bollocks ! The Uk helped create the EU .. we were there digging the fucking hole ..After the sudden and unexpected collapse of the Soviet Union it was the UK . that lead the way on the expansion of Europe ,taking in former soviet states like Poland and so forth to offer them free market access and stability for fear of them falling back into post war dictatorships and civil war. . We witnessed what happened to the former Yugoslavia and the Balkens . It was the Uk who banged our fist on the table and said this must happen for the sake of peace in Europe ..No one else was that keen ! The French , the Germans etc . We lead the way and created the EU as it is seen today . No one “ nurse maided “ us Stroll on 20 odd years and we are complaining it’s all to fucking big !! And now we want out after what we’ve help create and forced on others with a pathetic cry of it’s all stacked against us .. Wankers !!! That how we are now seen as a nation , Low life reneging tossers .. Some one who turns up to do a job then fucks of half way through cause it harder than they thought .. I wouldn’t have that subbie back on a job that’s for certain ... Stand in our own two feet pppffffttt .. we always were ! Whattywhat? We helped to create the EU? Uh? Poland didn’t join until 2004 and many of us saw what a domesday machine the EU was since 1975, nothing to do with Eastern Europe. " There was no EU in 1975 | |||
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"Blue passports. That we could have had anyway. That are manufactured in the EU. Actually they are manufactured in France not the EU. *Checks notes*. Yup, France is in the EU. Think again. France is definitely in the EU, our blue passports are manufactured in the EU Nope - The contract for passports was given to a French company. Not and EU company. France are also in NATO so that also makes our passports made by NATO then does it? " So, if I’m correct using your logic - we were never in the EU, we’ve always been British & Brexit was just a money making scam by the Tories | |||
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"I think you can blame the parliamentary system for the time it took. The democratic process, small majorities, politicians not having the balls to follow through with their convictions. Unfortunately Mrs May did not have the equipment to see it through. This probably being the biggest factor. The European politicians being very uncooperative It is a very emotive subject, the country was fairly evenly divided. All that slowed it up. Once there was a reasonable majority and someone in charge that actually wanted it to happen, it happened. We had been totally entwined with Europe and as I said earlier, such togetherness is not going to be undone in 5 minutes, without some pain. It is obvious from what has happened in the last couple of months that the agreement is going to have to be tinkered with as it is causing both us and Europe difficulties. The fact that both sides are having difficulties is down to the fact that the agreement is based on too many compromises and in a situation like this such compromises do not work. There will be some unpalatable consequences but these will have to be faced up to and the initial pain needs to be recognised and treatments put in place, so that both parties can move forward to better times. What you are saying is that Brexit isn’t done ? Brexit is done but there still needs to be fine tuning. I do not believe that once the dust has settled, tweeks and the application of common sense to certain idiotic circumstances will not prevail.The UK government has got to get used to standing on its own 2 feet after for so long being nudged along in a direction that is not necessarily beneficial to the country's own well being by not having the balls to stop towing the line. And that’s just bollocks ! The Uk helped create the EU .. we were there digging the fucking hole ..After the sudden and unexpected collapse of the Soviet Union it was the UK . that lead the way on the expansion of Europe ,taking in former soviet states like Poland and so forth to offer them free market access and stability for fear of them falling back into post war dictatorships and civil war. . We witnessed what happened to the former Yugoslavia and the Balkens . It was the Uk who banged our fist on the table and said this must happen for the sake of peace in Europe ..No one else was that keen ! The French , the Germans etc . We lead the way and created the EU as it is seen today . No one “ nurse maided “ us Stroll on 20 odd years and we are complaining it’s all to fucking big !! And now we want out after what we’ve help create and forced on others with a pathetic cry of it’s all stacked against us .. Wankers !!! That how we are now seen as a nation , Low life reneging tossers .. Some one who turns up to do a job then fucks of half way through cause it harder than they thought .. I wouldn’t have that subbie back on a job that’s for certain ... Stand in our own two feet pppffffttt .. we always were ! so because we took a democratic vote to leave we are seen as low life reneging tossers lol well how fucking dare we leave a club we helped create fucking democracy for ya lol It’s not about democracy, we have democracy in this country regardless of the Brexit vote or any other vote , And Democracy itself is open to a vast array of interpretations especially with the first past the post system we have . It’s about world order .. the UKs position in the world cause that’s were we live in a world .. Putin must of got the Vodka out the night of the referendum , the one obstacle to Russian involvement in Europe out of the way . The Americans must have put their head in their hands , The inside man , the allay at the table now rendering itself fucking useless and less viable as an allay ,, The only thing we can do now is stand on the sidelines and hold the jumpers whilst the game goes on .. Democracy ? .. to be asked a question so large and so vast on a single day , to ordinary voters was in know way a display of democracy .. We democratically vote leaders who should be trusted to lead at times of great political importance . A referenda is like asking the kids where they want to live .. Oh I know daddy let’s go and live in marshmallow land shall we ! " so you want democracy where the public can’t be trusted with important decisions so no more referendums unless the vote goes yr way then ye ? So how does the public ever leaver the eu if we can’t vote on it ? | |||
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"I think you can blame the parliamentary system for the time it took. The democratic process, small majorities, politicians not having the balls to follow through with their convictions. Unfortunately Mrs May did not have the equipment to see it through. This probably being the biggest factor. The European politicians being very uncooperative It is a very emotive subject, the country was fairly evenly divided. All that slowed it up. Once there was a reasonable majority and someone in charge that actually wanted it to happen, it happened. We had been totally entwined with Europe and as I said earlier, such togetherness is not going to be undone in 5 minutes, without some pain. It is obvious from what has happened in the last couple of months that the agreement is going to have to be tinkered with as it is causing both us and Europe difficulties. The fact that both sides are having difficulties is down to the fact that the agreement is based on too many compromises and in a situation like this such compromises do not work. There will be some unpalatable consequences but these will have to be faced up to and the initial pain needs to be recognised and treatments put in place, so that both parties can move forward to better times. What you are saying is that Brexit isn’t done ? Brexit is done but there still needs to be fine tuning. I do not believe that once the dust has settled, tweeks and the application of common sense to certain idiotic circumstances will not prevail.The UK government has got to get used to standing on its own 2 feet after for so long being nudged along in a direction that is not necessarily beneficial to the country's own well being by not having the balls to stop towing the line. And that’s just bollocks ! The Uk helped create the EU .. we were there digging the fucking hole ..After the sudden and unexpected collapse of the Soviet Union it was the UK . that lead the way on the expansion of Europe ,taking in former soviet states like Poland and so forth to offer them free market access and stability for fear of them falling back into post war dictatorships and civil war. . We witnessed what happened to the former Yugoslavia and the Balkens . It was the Uk who banged our fist on the table and said this must happen for the sake of peace in Europe ..No one else was that keen ! The French , the Germans etc . We lead the way and created the EU as it is seen today . No one “ nurse maided “ us Stroll on 20 odd years and we are complaining it’s all to fucking big !! And now we want out after what we’ve help create and forced on others with a pathetic cry of it’s all stacked against us .. Wankers !!! That how we are now seen as a nation , Low life reneging tossers .. Some one who turns up to do a job then fucks of half way through cause it harder than they thought .. I wouldn’t have that subbie back on a job that’s for certain ... Stand in our own two feet pppffffttt .. we always were ! so because we took a democratic vote to leave we are seen as low life reneging tossers lol well how fucking dare we leave a club we helped create fucking democracy for ya lol It’s not about democracy, we have democracy in this country regardless of the Brexit vote or any other vote , And Democracy itself is open to a vast array of interpretations especially with the first past the post system we have . It’s about world order .. the UKs position in the world cause that’s were we live in a world .. Putin must of got the Vodka out the night of the referendum , the one obstacle to Russian involvement in Europe out of the way . The Americans must have put their head in their hands , The inside man , the allay at the table now rendering itself fucking useless and less viable as an allay ,, The only thing we can do now is stand on the sidelines and hold the jumpers whilst the game goes on .. Democracy ? .. to be asked a question so large and so vast on a single day , to ordinary voters was in know way a display of democracy .. We democratically vote leaders who should be trusted to lead at times of great political importance . A referenda is like asking the kids where they want to live .. Oh I know daddy let’s go and live in marshmallow land shall we ! so you want democracy where the public can’t be trusted with important decisions so no more referendums unless the vote goes yr way then ye ? So how does the public ever leaver the eu if we can’t vote on it ? " The proof is in the pudding. So to speak. The public clearly were influenced by the years and years of misinformation, not to mention the lies pumped out by both leave campaigns. The misinformation, propaganda and lies completely undermined the democratic process. As we know, if the referendum would have been binding, instead of advisory, the result would have been dismissed. | |||
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"I don’t want any referendums . I don’t think there should be any . And I’m fortunate that I never aligned my self with daft arguments on either side . I did vote remain on a gut instinct , nothing more elaborate than that . I abide by democracy every four years , I’ve never voted conservative , yet they still seem to get in , and I put up with it , carry on regardless . However there is no constitutional standing for referendums in this country are binding . When Gina Miller took the government to court , they didn’t use the argument that a referendum bound the house because everything the government put out had been had been that it was purely advisory .. They went instead with an old load of cods of the Royal Purgative and not surprisingly they lost .. What happened in the end was a Government was formed on a platform of “ get out of eu “ as it should have been done In the first place .. Not through a referendum.. I support Scottish independence , but I hope they don’t have a referendum on it , and that alone binds them . I think it’s quite clear on how many votes the SNP gets on a platform of independence, It just seems stupid to ask a further yes or no question on a day with so many complexities wrapped up in a single vote " so you support Scotland independence breaking away from a union that they been in for hundreds of yrs but you don’t support the U.K. breaking from a union they have been in for decades that just doesn’t make sence to me people should always have a choice that’s only way democracy can work take away choice and you take away democracy | |||
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"I don’t want any referendums . I don’t think there should be any . And I’m fortunate that I never aligned my self with daft arguments on either side . I did vote remain on a gut instinct , nothing more elaborate than that . I abide by democracy every four years , I’ve never voted conservative , yet they still seem to get in , and I put up with it , carry on regardless . However there is no constitutional standing for referendums in this country are binding . When Gina Miller took the government to court , they didn’t use the argument that a referendum bound the house because everything the government put out had been had been that it was purely advisory .. They went instead with an old load of cods of the Royal Purgative and not surprisingly they lost .. What happened in the end was a Government was formed on a platform of “ get out of eu “ as it should have been done In the first place .. Not through a referendum.. I support Scottish independence , but I hope they don’t have a referendum on it , and that alone binds them . I think it’s quite clear on how many votes the SNP gets on a platform of independence, It just seems stupid to ask a further yes or no question on a day with so many complexities wrapped up in a single vote so you support Scotland independence breaking away from a union that they been in for hundreds of yrs but you don’t support the U.K. breaking from a union they have been in for decades that just doesn’t make sence to me people should always have a choice that’s only way democracy can work take away choice and you take away democracy " People should have an informed choice for referendums | |||
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"I don’t want any referendums . I don’t think there should be any . And I’m fortunate that I never aligned my self with daft arguments on either side . I did vote remain on a gut instinct , nothing more elaborate than that . I abide by democracy every four years , I’ve never voted conservative , yet they still seem to get in , and I put up with it , carry on regardless . However there is no constitutional standing for referendums in this country are binding . When Gina Miller took the government to court , they didn’t use the argument that a referendum bound the house because everything the government put out had been had been that it was purely advisory .. They went instead with an old load of cods of the Royal Purgative and not surprisingly they lost .. What happened in the end was a Government was formed on a platform of “ get out of eu “ as it should have been done In the first place .. Not through a referendum.. I support Scottish independence , but I hope they don’t have a referendum on it , and that alone binds them . I think it’s quite clear on how many votes the SNP gets on a platform of independence, It just seems stupid to ask a further yes or no question on a day with so many complexities wrapped up in a single vote so you support Scotland independence breaking away from a union that they been in for hundreds of yrs but you don’t support the U.K. breaking from a union they have been in for decades that just doesn’t make sence to me people should always have a choice that’s only way democracy can work take away choice and you take away democracy " yep strange that. | |||
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"I don’t want any referendums . I don’t think there should be any . And I’m fortunate that I never aligned my self with daft arguments on either side . I did vote remain on a gut instinct , nothing more elaborate than that . I abide by democracy every four years , I’ve never voted conservative , yet they still seem to get in , and I put up with it , carry on regardless . However there is no constitutional standing for referendums in this country are binding . When Gina Miller took the government to court , they didn’t use the argument that a referendum bound the house because everything the government put out had been had been that it was purely advisory .. They went instead with an old load of cods of the Royal Purgative and not surprisingly they lost .. What happened in the end was a Government was formed on a platform of “ get out of eu “ as it should have been done In the first place .. Not through a referendum.. I support Scottish independence , but I hope they don’t have a referendum on it , and that alone binds them . I think it’s quite clear on how many votes the SNP gets on a platform of independence, It just seems stupid to ask a further yes or no question on a day with so many complexities wrapped up in a single vote so you support Scotland independence breaking away from a union that they been in for hundreds of yrs but you don’t support the U.K. breaking from a union they have been in for decades that just doesn’t make sence to me people should always have a choice that’s only way democracy can work take away choice and you take away democracy People should have an informed choice for referendums " they should have an equal amount of money spent on both campaigns aswell don’t you think | |||
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"I don’t want any referendums . I don’t think there should be any . And I’m fortunate that I never aligned my self with daft arguments on either side . I did vote remain on a gut instinct , nothing more elaborate than that . I abide by democracy every four years , I’ve never voted conservative , yet they still seem to get in , and I put up with it , carry on regardless . However there is no constitutional standing for referendums in this country are binding . When Gina Miller took the government to court , they didn’t use the argument that a referendum bound the house because everything the government put out had been had been that it was purely advisory .. They went instead with an old load of cods of the Royal Purgative and not surprisingly they lost .. What happened in the end was a Government was formed on a platform of “ get out of eu “ as it should have been done In the first place .. Not through a referendum.. I support Scottish independence , but I hope they don’t have a referendum on it , and that alone binds them . I think it’s quite clear on how many votes the SNP gets on a platform of independence, It just seems stupid to ask a further yes or no question on a day with so many complexities wrapped up in a single vote so you support Scotland independence breaking away from a union that they been in for hundreds of yrs but you don’t support the U.K. breaking from a union they have been in for decades that just doesn’t make sence to me people should always have a choice that’s only way democracy can work take away choice and you take away democracy " I support Scottish independence because the people of Scotland have voted for a party over a long time the SNP have campaigned on that platform . It’s apparent that’s what they want . I don’t support a referendum on it . For me UKIP should still be going , they were campaigning on a leave vote , I wouldn’t have voted for the fuckers that’s for sure but maybe they would have achieved power on that issue , who knows . Then perhaps we would have seen democracy at work . It wasent for the tories to panic and throw in a stupid referendum and ask the public to make their mind up for them . That was the route to go down | |||
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"I don’t want any referendums . I don’t think there should be any . And I’m fortunate that I never aligned my self with daft arguments on either side . I did vote remain on a gut instinct , nothing more elaborate than that . I abide by democracy every four years , I’ve never voted conservative , yet they still seem to get in , and I put up with it , carry on regardless . However there is no constitutional standing for referendums in this country are binding . When Gina Miller took the government to court , they didn’t use the argument that a referendum bound the house because everything the government put out had been had been that it was purely advisory .. They went instead with an old load of cods of the Royal Purgative and not surprisingly they lost .. What happened in the end was a Government was formed on a platform of “ get out of eu “ as it should have been done In the first place .. Not through a referendum.. I support Scottish independence , but I hope they don’t have a referendum on it , and that alone binds them . I think it’s quite clear on how many votes the SNP gets on a platform of independence, It just seems stupid to ask a further yes or no question on a day with so many complexities wrapped up in a single vote so you support Scotland independence breaking away from a union that they been in for hundreds of yrs but you don’t support the U.K. breaking from a union they have been in for decades that just doesn’t make sence to me people should always have a choice that’s only way democracy can work take away choice and you take away democracy People should have an informed choice for referendums they should have an equal amount of money spent on both campaigns aswell don’t you think " As long as it's legal. It's all good. | |||
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"I don’t want any referendums . I don’t think there should be any . And I’m fortunate that I never aligned my self with daft arguments on either side . I did vote remain on a gut instinct , nothing more elaborate than that . I abide by democracy every four years , I’ve never voted conservative , yet they still seem to get in , and I put up with it , carry on regardless . However there is no constitutional standing for referendums in this country are binding . When Gina Miller took the government to court , they didn’t use the argument that a referendum bound the house because everything the government put out had been had been that it was purely advisory .. They went instead with an old load of cods of the Royal Purgative and not surprisingly they lost .. What happened in the end was a Government was formed on a platform of “ get out of eu “ as it should have been done In the first place .. Not through a referendum.. I support Scottish independence , but I hope they don’t have a referendum on it , and that alone binds them . I think it’s quite clear on how many votes the SNP gets on a platform of independence, It just seems stupid to ask a further yes or no question on a day with so many complexities wrapped up in a single vote so you support Scotland independence breaking away from a union that they been in for hundreds of yrs but you don’t support the U.K. breaking from a union they have been in for decades that just doesn’t make sence to me people should always have a choice that’s only way democracy can work take away choice and you take away democracy I support Scottish independence because the people of Scotland have voted for a party over a long time the SNP have campaigned on that platform . It’s apparent that’s what they want . I don’t support a referendum on it . For me UKIP should still be going , they were campaigning on a leave vote , I wouldn’t have voted for the fuckers that’s for sure but maybe they would have achieved power on that issue , who knows . Then perhaps we would have seen democracy at work . It wasent for the tories to panic and throw in a stupid referendum and ask the public to make their mind up for them . That was the route to go down " You have made some very good and well thought through posts on this thread. | |||
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"I don’t want any referendums . I don’t think there should be any . And I’m fortunate that I never aligned my self with daft arguments on either side . I did vote remain on a gut instinct , nothing more elaborate than that . I abide by democracy every four years , I’ve never voted conservative , yet they still seem to get in , and I put up with it , carry on regardless . However there is no constitutional standing for referendums in this country are binding . When Gina Miller took the government to court , they didn’t use the argument that a referendum bound the house because everything the government put out had been had been that it was purely advisory .. They went instead with an old load of cods of the Royal Purgative and not surprisingly they lost .. What happened in the end was a Government was formed on a platform of “ get out of eu “ as it should have been done In the first place .. Not through a referendum.. I support Scottish independence , but I hope they don’t have a referendum on it , and that alone binds them . I think it’s quite clear on how many votes the SNP gets on a platform of independence, It just seems stupid to ask a further yes or no question on a day with so many complexities wrapped up in a single vote so you support Scotland independence breaking away from a union that they been in for hundreds of yrs but you don’t support the U.K. breaking from a union they have been in for decades that just doesn’t make sence to me people should always have a choice that’s only way democracy can work take away choice and you take away democracy I support Scottish independence because the people of Scotland have voted for a party over a long time the SNP have campaigned on that platform . It’s apparent that’s what they want . I don’t support a referendum on it . For me UKIP should still be going , they were campaigning on a leave vote , I wouldn’t have voted for the fuckers that’s for sure but maybe they would have achieved power on that issue , who knows . Then perhaps we would have seen democracy at work . It wasent for the tories to panic and throw in a stupid referendum and ask the public to make their mind up for them . That was the route to go down " the tories won two elections on a campaign to leave how many do you need to win before you would be happy then ? | |||
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"I don’t want any referendums . I don’t think there should be any . And I’m fortunate that I never aligned my self with daft arguments on either side . I did vote remain on a gut instinct , nothing more elaborate than that . I abide by democracy every four years , I’ve never voted conservative , yet they still seem to get in , and I put up with it , carry on regardless . However there is no constitutional standing for referendums in this country are binding . When Gina Miller took the government to court , they didn’t use the argument that a referendum bound the house because everything the government put out had been had been that it was purely advisory .. They went instead with an old load of cods of the Royal Purgative and not surprisingly they lost .. What happened in the end was a Government was formed on a platform of “ get out of eu “ as it should have been done In the first place .. Not through a referendum.. I support Scottish independence , but I hope they don’t have a referendum on it , and that alone binds them . I think it’s quite clear on how many votes the SNP gets on a platform of independence, It just seems stupid to ask a further yes or no question on a day with so many complexities wrapped up in a single vote so you support Scotland independence breaking away from a union that they been in for hundreds of yrs but you don’t support the U.K. breaking from a union they have been in for decades that just doesn’t make sence to me people should always have a choice that’s only way democracy can work take away choice and you take away democracy I support Scottish independence because the people of Scotland have voted for a party over a long time the SNP have campaigned on that platform . It’s apparent that’s what they want . I don’t support a referendum on it . For me UKIP should still be going , they were campaigning on a leave vote , I wouldn’t have voted for the fuckers that’s for sure but maybe they would have achieved power on that issue , who knows . Then perhaps we would have seen democracy at work . It wasent for the tories to panic and throw in a stupid referendum and ask the public to make their mind up for them . That was the route to go down the tories won two elections on a campaign to leave how many do you need to win before you would be happy then ?" Which two ,, the ones after the referendum or the two elections before ? | |||
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"Wehave a Census to do today, which requires every household in the country to complete. Their is even a £1000 fine if you do not do it. So this collection of data will achieve a nearly 100% compliance and I’m good with that, this is useful information. However, the Referendum on Brexit had no such level of importance. People were not obliged to vote, in perhaps the most important issue for our country in 40 years, we didn’t ensure all people voted. So the biggest decision affecting our country gets through with a minority and no fine for not voting. No wonder a lot of people still do not feel comfortable with Brexit. Most people in this country did not vote for it and many who did think it sucks." Thats because we live in a free country where you have a choice to vote or not.The census is a totally different thing to gather information as to where build more schools hospitals etc and to look at the changing demographics of the country ever 10 years. | |||
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"Wehave a Census to do today, which requires every household in the country to complete. Their is even a £1000 fine if you do not do it. So this collection of data will achieve a nearly 100% compliance and I’m good with that, this is useful information. However, the Referendum on Brexit had no such level of importance. People were not obliged to vote, in perhaps the most important issue for our country in 40 years, we didn’t ensure all people voted. So the biggest decision affecting our country gets through with a minority and no fine for not voting. No wonder a lot of people still do not feel comfortable with Brexit. Most people in this country did not vote for it and many who did think it sucks.Thats because we live in a free country where you have a choice to vote or not.The census is a totally different thing to gather information as to where build more schools hospitals etc and to look at the changing demographics of the country ever 10 years." Oh yes, the Census is much more important than a life changing referendum. My mistake  | |||
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"Wehave a Census to do today, which requires every household in the country to complete. Their is even a £1000 fine if you do not do it. So this collection of data will achieve a nearly 100% compliance and I’m good with that, this is useful information. However, the Referendum on Brexit had no such level of importance. People were not obliged to vote, in perhaps the most important issue for our country in 40 years, we didn’t ensure all people voted. So the biggest decision affecting our country gets through with a minority and no fine for not voting. No wonder a lot of people still do not feel comfortable with Brexit. Most people in this country did not vote for it and many who did think it sucks.Thats because we live in a free country where you have a choice to vote or not.The census is a totally different thing to gather information as to where build more schools hospitals etc and to look at the changing demographics of the country ever 10 years. Oh yes, the Census is much more important than a life changing referendum. My mistake "Glad you agree people should have the right not to vote if they choose not to. | |||
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"I don’t want any referendums . I don’t think there should be any . And I’m fortunate that I never aligned my self with daft arguments on either side . I did vote remain on a gut instinct , nothing more elaborate than that . I abide by democracy every four years , I’ve never voted conservative , yet they still seem to get in , and I put up with it , carry on regardless . However there is no constitutional standing for referendums in this country are binding . When Gina Miller took the government to court , they didn’t use the argument that a referendum bound the house because everything the government put out had been had been that it was purely advisory .. They went instead with an old load of cods of the Royal Purgative and not surprisingly they lost .. What happened in the end was a Government was formed on a platform of “ get out of eu “ as it should have been done In the first place .. Not through a referendum.. I support Scottish independence , but I hope they don’t have a referendum on it , and that alone binds them . I think it’s quite clear on how many votes the SNP gets on a platform of independence, It just seems stupid to ask a further yes or no question on a day with so many complexities wrapped up in a single vote so you support Scotland independence breaking away from a union that they been in for hundreds of yrs but you don’t support the U.K. breaking from a union they have been in for decades that just doesn’t make sence to me people should always have a choice that’s only way democracy can work take away choice and you take away democracy I support Scottish independence because the people of Scotland have voted for a party over a long time the SNP have campaigned on that platform . It’s apparent that’s what they want . I don’t support a referendum on it . For me UKIP should still be going , they were campaigning on a leave vote , I wouldn’t have voted for the fuckers that’s for sure but maybe they would have achieved power on that issue , who knows . Then perhaps we would have seen democracy at work . It wasent for the tories to panic and throw in a stupid referendum and ask the public to make their mind up for them . That was the route to go down " I don't agree. General elections should not be fought over 1 single issue when there's literally dozens of major issues that go into a manifesto that can affect so many peoples decisions so differently. A single issue question enables the entire electorate to have it's say independently of any other factors that may sway their decision by using a referendum. The question was asked, blatant lies we're told on both sides and we got a result. | |||
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"That census was just mostly pointless with questions the government do not need to have the answers for. " So they dont need to know where for instance the younger or older generations are living in different parts of the country, what areas are growing or decreasing to plan ahead? There's an old saying that is very true fail to plan plan to fail you obviously dont subscribe to that. | |||
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"That census was just mostly pointless with questions the government do not need to have the answers for. So they dont need to know where for instance the younger or older generations are living in different parts of the country, what areas are growing or decreasing to plan ahead? There's an old saying that is very true fail to plan plan to fail you obviously dont subscribe to that. " & Piss Poor Planning Promotes Poor Performance - but this thread isn’t about Boris | |||
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"That census was just mostly pointless with questions the government do not need to have the answers for. So they dont need to know where for instance the younger or older generations are living in different parts of the country, what areas are growing or decreasing to plan ahead? There's an old saying that is very true fail to plan plan to fail you obviously dont subscribe to that. " This is pretty bizarre stuff. Are you suggesting that the current Conservative government would want to plan something which is for the British people, instead of for themselves and their Eton mates? Utterly bonkers suggestion. | |||
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"That census was just mostly pointless with questions the government do not need to have the answers for. So they dont need to know where for instance the younger or older generations are living in different parts of the country, what areas are growing or decreasing to plan ahead? There's an old saying that is very true fail to plan plan to fail you obviously dont subscribe to that. This is pretty bizarre stuff. Are you suggesting that the current Conservative government would want to plan something which is for the British people, instead of for themselves and their Eton mates? Utterly bonkers suggestion." Data is king for planning why do you think facebook etc make so much money? by harvesting data and selling it.The census act was passed in 1801 its not new or political so not sure why you are trying to surgest it is.You could in fact argue that the doomsday book was the first english census was william the 1st a tory?  | |||
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"That census was just mostly pointless with questions the government do not need to have the answers for. So they dont need to know where for instance the younger or older generations are living in different parts of the country, what areas are growing or decreasing to plan ahead? There's an old saying that is very true fail to plan plan to fail you obviously dont subscribe to that. This is pretty bizarre stuff. Are you suggesting that the current Conservative government would want to plan something which is for the British people, instead of for themselves and their Eton mates? Utterly bonkers suggestion.Data is king for planning why do you think facebook etc make so much money? by harvesting data and selling it.The census act was passed in 1801 its not new or political so not sure why you are trying to surgest it is.You could in fact argue that the doomsday book was the first english census was william the 1st a tory? "Haha. Maybe he was. I was just making fun. I get the purpose of the census. I don't have strong feelings about it either way. | |||
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"That census was just mostly pointless with questions the government do not need to have the answers for. So they dont need to know where for instance the younger or older generations are living in different parts of the country, what areas are growing or decreasing to plan ahead? There's an old saying that is very true fail to plan plan to fail you obviously dont subscribe to that. This is pretty bizarre stuff. Are you suggesting that the current Conservative government would want to plan something which is for the British people, instead of for themselves and their Eton mates? Utterly bonkers suggestion.Data is king for planning why do you think facebook etc make so much money? by harvesting data and selling it.The census act was passed in 1801 its not new or political so not sure why you are trying to surgest it is.You could in fact argue that the doomsday book was the first english census was william the 1st a tory?
Haha. Maybe he was.
I was just making fun.
I get the purpose of the census. I don't have strong feelings about it either way."Ah right try putting a smiley face or something so people dont take you seriously.Did you know in the 1800,s you had to declare a lunatic in the house? good job that question has gone. | |||
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"That census was just mostly pointless with questions the government do not need to have the answers for. So they dont need to know where for instance the younger or older generations are living in different parts of the country, what areas are growing or decreasing to plan ahead? There's an old saying that is very true fail to plan plan to fail you obviously dont subscribe to that. This is pretty bizarre stuff. Are you suggesting that the current Conservative government would want to plan something which is for the British people, instead of for themselves and their Eton mates? Utterly bonkers suggestion.Data is king for planning why do you think facebook etc make so much money? by harvesting data and selling it.The census act was passed in 1801 its not new or political so not sure why you are trying to surgest it is.You could in fact argue that the doomsday book was the first english census was william the 1st a tory?
Haha. Maybe he was.
I was just making fun.
I get the purpose of the census. I don't have strong feelings about it either way.Ah right try putting a smiley face or something so people dont take you seriously.Did you know in the 1800,s you had to declare a lunatic in the house? good job that question has gone. "
Maybe they should bring it back.
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"That census was just mostly pointless with questions the government do not need to have the answers for. So they dont need to know where for instance the younger or older generations are living in different parts of the country, what areas are growing or decreasing to plan ahead? There's an old saying that is very true fail to plan plan to fail you obviously dont subscribe to that. This is pretty bizarre stuff. Are you suggesting that the current Conservative government would want to plan something which is for the British people, instead of for themselves and their Eton mates? Utterly bonkers suggestion.Data is king for planning why do you think facebook etc make so much money? by harvesting data and selling it.The census act was passed in 1801 its not new or political so not sure why you are trying to surgest it is.You could in fact argue that the doomsday book was the first english census was william the 1st a tory?
Haha. Maybe he was.
I was just making fun.
I get the purpose of the census. I don't have strong feelings about it either way.Ah right try putting a smiley face or something so people dont take you seriously.Did you know in the 1800,s you had to declare a lunatic in the house? good job that question has gone.
Maybe they should bring it back.
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