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US-China talks off to a bad start as both sides attack each other for more than an hour . . .

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By *atEvolution OP   Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

https://news.sky.com/story/chinese-officials-attack-inhospitable-us-as-both-sides-trade-blows-in-first-talks-since-joe-biden-became-president-12250248

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Hope the talks next week on a US-UK trade deal have a better start than this...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"https://news.sky.com/story/chinese-officials-attack-inhospitable-us-as-both-sides-trade-blows-in-first-talks-since-joe-biden-became-president-12250248

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China's influence now is to big for the US to counter. It is just a matter of time that they will be the best superpower.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would it ever have gone differently? China is a corrupt, belligerent dictatorship.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Nothing like quite like a huge swooping generalisation.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

At least they are being honest Trump style

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh


"https://news.sky.com/story/chinese-officials-attack-inhospitable-us-as-both-sides-trade-blows-in-first-talks-since-joe-biden-became-president-12250248

China's influence now is to big for the US to counter. It is just a matter of time that they will be the best superpower."

It doesn't need to, it has its own internal problems, being a dictatorship and fast growing economy. Not good bed fellows.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Nothing like quite like a huge swooping generalisation."
it’s correct tho isn’t it how would you discribe China then lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can hope but when they are outpacing other countries in naval power. That does not signal internal struggling. That signals blue water aspirations. Global projection.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"You can hope but when they are outpacing other countries in naval power. That does not signal internal struggling. That signals blue water aspirations. Global projection."
so who can stop them ?

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

Political posturing by politicians; the real work, carried out in a more sophisticated fashion goes on behind the scenes, by experienced officials who are more nuanced negotiators.

The politicians are, here today...gone tomorrow, but the civil service/state department endure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can hope but when they are outpacing other countries in naval power. That does not signal internal struggling. That signals blue water aspirations. Global projection.so who can stop them ?"

That is a great question.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"https://news.sky.com/story/chinese-officials-attack-inhospitable-us-as-both-sides-trade-blows-in-first-talks-since-joe-biden-became-president-12250248

China's influence now is to big for the US to counter. It is just a matter of time that they will be the best superpower.

It doesn't need to, it has its own internal problems, being a dictatorship and fast growing economy. Not good bed fellows. "

The way to hit China is economically.

Stop buying their products, stop taking their money, stop engaging with them.

Keep them out of Africa, and now their encroachments into Eastern Europe.

Make them come to the table and to clean up their act.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"https://news.sky.com/story/chinese-officials-attack-inhospitable-us-as-both-sides-trade-blows-in-first-talks-since-joe-biden-became-president-12250248

China's influence now is to big for the US to counter. It is just a matter of time that they will be the best superpower.

It doesn't need to, it has its own internal problems, being a dictatorship and fast growing economy. Not good bed fellows.

The way to hit China is economically.

Stop buying their products, stop taking their money, stop engaging with them.

Keep them out of Africa, and now their encroachments into Eastern Europe.

Make them come to the table and to clean up their act. "

They don't have to come to the table their belt and road initiatives are a huge economic boom for china.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"https://news.sky.com/story/chinese-officials-attack-inhospitable-us-as-both-sides-trade-blows-in-first-talks-since-joe-biden-became-president-12250248

China's influence now is to big for the US to counter. It is just a matter of time that they will be the best superpower.

It doesn't need to, it has its own internal problems, being a dictatorship and fast growing economy. Not good bed fellows.

The way to hit China is economically.

Stop buying their products, stop taking their money, stop engaging with them.

Keep them out of Africa, and now their encroachments into Eastern Europe.

Make them come to the table and to clean up their act. "

"Stop buying their products"? Good luck with that one.

"Stop taking their money"? A bit easier - but it'll mean turning away investment cash.

"Keep them out of Africa"? That ship sailed already.

"Make then come to the table and clean up their act"? That's just fucking laughable - especially for the UK - and you know it. Well, you ought to.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"Would it ever have gone differently? China is a corrupt, belligerent dictatorship."

Indeed it is. Whereas the USA is just corrupt and belligerent - let's hope it doesn't go for all three.

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By *atEvolution OP   Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

Most western democracies force companies to have an anti-(banned FAB word) policy while at the same time allowing the public and the state to do deals with those who have child labour and (banned FAB word).

Most Cobalt comes from the Congo and every investigation ever done has found child labour.

Are we (the public and the state) up in arms about? Of course, we are not - no that would just ruin the next IPhone or Android version phone.

Politics is convenient. Public rancour is convenient, it's convenient for a holier than thou discussion on forums all over the world. But most are probably being doing on that very cobalt Congo filled Congo child labour filled cell phone - that they are arguing against (banned FAB word)for.

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham


"Would it ever have gone differently? China is a corrupt, belligerent dictatorship.

Indeed it is. Whereas the USA is just corrupt and belligerent - let's hope it doesn't go for all three."

Wonder what this is about then ?

“The CCP convenes its National Party Congress (NPC) every five years to set major policies and choose the Central Committee, which comprises around 370 members and alternates including ministers, senior regulatory officials, provincial leaders, and military officers. The Central Committee acts as a sort of board of directors for the CCP, and its mandate is to select the Politburo, which has twenty-five members. “

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham

Or this even ?

“Some experts split the CCP’s power structure into two distinct camps: the “princelings,” the children of high-level leaders, and the “tuanpai,” those who came from humbler backgrounds and rose to power through the Communist Youth League, such as Hu Jintao”

Is this a programme where the not so well of can work there way up the political ladder and gain a say in the running of things ?

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham

Boris has some catching up to do in the corruption stakes if he’s gonna pass that 2 million barrier !

“These complex dynamics can be seen in Xi’s extensive anticorruption campaign. While corruption crackdowns are not uncommon following a transfer of power, the scope of Xi’s campaign has been unprecedented, targeting some two million officials since late 2012, including high-level officials, or “tigers,” senior military figures, and lower-level party cadres, or “flies.” Some of the most high-profile cases include Hu’s former aide, Ling Jihua, and his brothers; former Chongqing party chief Bo Xilai; Xu Caihou and Guo Boxiong, former vice chairmen of China’s top military body; and Zhou Yongkang, a retired Politburo Standing Committee member and former chief of the CCP’s law and politics commission. Experts say the antigraft movement, though extremely popular among Chinese people, may alienate some elites and paralyze governance at lower levels for fear of falling under the party corruption watchdog’s suspicions. “

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham

Lousy Dictatorships

“ If the eighteenth Party Congress in 2012 marked the peaceful transition of China’s leadership from Hu to Xi, then the nineteenth congress in 2017 solidified Xi’s ascent as a decisive leader. In the reform era that followed the death of Mao and his personality cult, Deng Xiaoping steered the party from strongman rule to consensus rule (or collective leadership) among the elite and institutionalized the transfer of power from one leader to the next, with each president serving a maximum of two five-year terms. These principles had dictated leadership succession since the early 1980s. “This shift from the rule of a man to the rule of the party has been credited with bringing political stability and economic development to China,” writes Mary Gallagher, professor at the University of Michigan. “

Yeah ok I was bored , but it’s interesting what a bit of reading can do eh

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


" Lousy Dictatorships

“ If the eighteenth Party Congress in 2012 marked the peaceful transition of China’s leadership from Hu to Xi, then the nineteenth congress in 2017 solidified Xi’s ascent as a decisive leader. In the reform era that followed the death of Mao and his personality cult, Deng Xiaoping steered the party from strongman rule to consensus rule (or collective leadership) among the elite and institutionalized the transfer of power from one leader to the next, with each president serving a maximum of two five-year terms. These principles had dictated leadership succession since the early 1980s. “This shift from the rule of a man to the rule of the party has been credited with bringing political stability and economic development to China,” writes Mary Gallagher, professor at the University of Michigan. “

Yeah ok I was bored , but it’s interesting what a bit of reading can do eh "

Russia is meant to be democratic these days with one person limited in the number of consecutive presidencies they can have,but does a single person believe that Putin has not been in control far longer evennid its behind the scenes.

I suspect china is much the same except it's the party in control but the party is controlled by a very small handful of people

If it smells like a pig grunts like a pig and tastes like a pig etc etc

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham


" Lousy Dictatorships

“ If the eighteenth Party Congress in 2012 marked the peaceful transition of China’s leadership from Hu to Xi, then the nineteenth congress in 2017 solidified Xi’s ascent as a decisive leader. In the reform era that followed the death of Mao and his personality cult, Deng Xiaoping steered the party from strongman rule to consensus rule (or collective leadership) among the elite and institutionalized the transfer of power from one leader to the next, with each president serving a maximum of two five-year terms. These principles had dictated leadership succession since the early 1980s. “This shift from the rule of a man to the rule of the party has been credited with bringing political stability and economic development to China,” writes Mary Gallagher, professor at the University of Michigan. “

Yeah ok I was bored , but it’s interesting what a bit of reading can do eh

Russia is meant to be democratic these days with one person limited in the number of consecutive presidencies they can have,but does a single person believe that Putin has not been in control far longer evennid its behind the scenes.

I suspect china is much the same except it's the party in control but the party is controlled by a very small handful of people

If it smells like a pig grunts like a pig and tastes like a pig etc etc "

As long as you suspect that then .. that’s fine .

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

So no counter argument, or proof or reasoned argument, have you any comment on their state sponsored cyber attacks, the abuse of human rights for treatment of hong kong etc etc.

Not much democracy among that lot.

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham


"So no counter argument, or proof or reasoned argument, have you any comment on their state sponsored cyber attacks, the abuse of human rights for treatment of hong kong etc etc.

Not much democracy among that lot."

You offered a suspected opinion.. how is one supposed to counter act that . Especially when the final statement you make is “ Not much democracy amongst that lot “.

Well no shit Sherlock! It’s a Communist government.

If you observe the post I made in its entirety it was in reply to two previous posters whom claimed the government of China was a dictatorship

You just chimes in with some twaddle , I can only presume because you were bored to

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"So no counter argument, or proof or reasoned argument, have you any comment on their state sponsored cyber attacks, the abuse of human rights for treatment of hong kong etc etc.

Not much democracy among that lot.

You offered a suspected opinion.. how is one supposed to counter act that . Especially when the final statement you make is “ Not much democracy amongst that lot “.

Well no shit Sherlock! It’s a Communist government.

If you observe the post I made in its entirety it was in reply to two previous posters whom claimed the government of China was a dictatorship

You just chimes in with some twaddle , I can only presume because you were bored to "

Most communist countries are dictatorships, china certainly is. Glad to see another fab poster who resorts to insults when another opinion is difficult to counter

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham


"So no counter argument, or proof or reasoned argument, have you any comment on their state sponsored cyber attacks, the abuse of human rights for treatment of hong kong etc etc.

Not much democracy among that lot.

You offered a suspected opinion.. how is one supposed to counter act that . Especially when the final statement you make is “ Not much democracy amongst that lot “.

Well no shit Sherlock! It’s a Communist government.

If you observe the post I made in its entirety it was in reply to two previous posters whom claimed the government of China was a dictatorship

You just chimes in with some twaddle , I can only presume because you were bored to

Most communist countries are dictatorships, china certainly is. Glad to see another fab poster who resorts to insults when another opinion is difficult to counter "

As I say . Nothing to really counter

If a professor from Michigan university writes a structural analysis of the CCP and it’s workings , yet you still quote it’s a Dictatorship. Then really and truthfully

“ There’s absolutely nothing to see here “

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