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"Great cause but if you went then you are part of the covid problem And not the solution. Shame on you !" Thomas..Thomas | |||
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"And predictably .. It went tits up.. Blame the police not the morons" Blame the lawmakers not the police, they are the morons | |||
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"Ken Marsh, the chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation, said 26 officers were assaulted while policing the vigil on Clapham Common last night and has called widespread criticism of the Met “not right or fair”. He also said damned if they did and damned if they didn't, I make that right, the High Court had deemed it illegal. It's not the Mets fault, not sure it's the fault of those holding the vigil. Bloody politicians set the rules and pander to popular opinion regardless if the police uphold the law or not, they are the spineless ones, they should be blamed" Tbf the police always hold their hands up when they do something wrong. | |||
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"Amazing how they allow BLM marches " Have you forgotten how poorly they were policed too? | |||
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"How long will people use the pandemic as a reason not to speak out about things? We shouldnt speak out about climate change or racial equality or gender equality as theres a pandemic on. Feels like an convenient excuse to just brush aside serious issues. A high majority of people have kept to the rules through out this whole thing. The powers that be have orchestrated a response to the virus in record time. Now we’re in a much better position, vaccines, better testing, closed borders, masks, social distancing etc Maybe i’m missing the point the OP is trying go make. " It's all a hoax right ? | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. " I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. " And the police aren't eligible for the vaccine either. | |||
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"Great cause but if you went then you are part of the covid problem And not the solution. Shame on you !"  | |||
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"How long will people use the pandemic as a reason not to speak out about things? We shouldnt speak out about climate change or racial equality or gender equality as theres a pandemic on. Feels like an convenient excuse to just brush aside serious issues. A high majority of people have kept to the rules through out this whole thing. The powers that be have orchestrated a response to the virus in record time. Now we’re in a much better position, vaccines, better testing, closed borders, masks, social distancing etc Maybe i’m missing the point the OP is trying go make. It's all a hoax right ?" Yes! Just as the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese seen as were being flippant about things 
C19 is super serious I fully stand by that but dont dismiss other big issues because of it. | |||
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"How long will people use the pandemic as a reason not to speak out about things? We shouldnt speak out about climate change or racial equality or gender equality as theres a pandemic on. Feels like an convenient excuse to just brush aside serious issues. A high majority of people have kept to the rules through out this whole thing. The powers that be have orchestrated a response to the virus in record time. Now we’re in a much better position, vaccines, better testing, closed borders, masks, social distancing etc Maybe i’m missing the point the OP is trying go make. " Would you say them same if it was a protest that you didnt agree with? | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush" It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. And the police aren't eligible for the vaccine either. " | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. " The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police | |||
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"How long will people use the pandemic as a reason not to speak out about things? We shouldnt speak out about climate change or racial equality or gender equality as theres a pandemic on. Feels like an convenient excuse to just brush aside serious issues. A high majority of people have kept to the rules through out this whole thing. The powers that be have orchestrated a response to the virus in record time. Now we’re in a much better position, vaccines, better testing, closed borders, masks, social distancing etc Maybe i’m missing the point the OP is trying go make. Would you say them same if it was a protest that you didnt agree with? " There have been protests I've agreed with and protests i haven't agreed with. They have taken place regardless of my opinion. can we do both raise attention to important issues and respect the C19 impact and restrictions? | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police" Bootlicker... Defund the police... Because defunding the police is going to lead to safer society isn't Should they set up some sort of autonomous zone aswell? | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police" Yep.. let's spread the virus over as big an area as we can starting with Clapham Common and all the buses and tubes around it.. I am.sure the bus drivers will thank you.. | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police" I don't know if you missed it but the High Court deemed it illegal, perhaps you think the Met Police make the law, they don't. | |||
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"Let’s not forget it’s one of their own which has been accused and arrested for the murder of Sarah Everard. " And your point is? | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police Yep.. let's spread the virus over as big an area as we can starting with Clapham Common and all the buses and tubes around it.. I am.sure the bus drivers will thank you.." Let’s spectacularly and deliberately miss the point shall we. How is this OUTSIDE event any worse than say, a classroom full of kids? It could have and should have been managed better. The Met are culpable | |||
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"Let’s not forget it’s one of their own which has been accused and arrested for the murder of Sarah Everard. And your point is?" As a force they could show a modicum of self awareness and not send the heavies in to “police” a female heavy event designed to remember a sister that has been the victim of male violence? No? Too much for even you to take in Thomas? | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police Yep.. let's spread the virus over as big an area as we can starting with Clapham Common and all the buses and tubes around it.. I am.sure the bus drivers will thank you.. Let’s spectacularly and deliberately miss the point shall we. How is this OUTSIDE event any worse than say, a classroom full of kids? It could have and should have been managed better. The Met are culpable" The High Court said it was illegal, that's based on laws drawn up by politicians, why not ignore that and just blame the police, it's easier than getting the facts right after all | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police Yep.. let's spread the virus over as big an area as we can starting with Clapham Common and all the buses and tubes around it.. I am.sure the bus drivers will thank you.. Let’s spectacularly and deliberately miss the point shall we. How is this OUTSIDE event any worse than say, a classroom full of kids? It could have and should have been managed better. The Met are culpable" So let's paint a picture.. You attended.. and brought your partner with you.. In 5-10 you both feel ill... Very ill.. You have Covid.. She has Covid.. She dies .. you survive.. Why did the authorities and police not protect you.. Oh ...they asked you not to go.. You | |||
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"Fuck this. Too heavy for a swingers forum. I’m gonna leave the boot licking misogynist to it. Given him too much attention that he craves as it is" Too.much sense you mean | |||
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"Great cause but if you went then you are part of the covid problem And not the solution. Shame on you !" Disgusting... truly shameful Also, notice that all of the people having a pop at a vigil for a murdered woman have been men... funny that! | |||
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"Great cause but if you went then you are part of the covid problem And not the solution. Shame on you ! Disgusting... truly shameful Also, notice that all of the people having a pop at a vigil for a murdered woman have been men... funny that! " No. Not funny.. the cause is right but not the time for illegal gatherings.. No different to an illegal rave | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police Yep.. let's spread the virus over as big an area as we can starting with Clapham Common and all the buses and tubes around it.. I am.sure the bus drivers will thank you.. Let’s spectacularly and deliberately miss the point shall we. How is this OUTSIDE event any worse than say, a classroom full of kids? It could have and should have been managed better. The Met are culpable The High Court said it was illegal, that's based on laws drawn up by politicians, why not ignore that and just blame the police, it's easier than getting the facts right after all" Because he has an obvious agenda, no one else uses the term "bootlicker" or "defund the police" than weird Antifa types who think spraying ACAB everywhere is cool Bit like how communists call everyone that disagrees with them "reactionary" | |||
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"Great cause but if you went then you are part of the covid problem And not the solution. Shame on you ! Disgusting... truly shameful Also, notice that all of the people having a pop at a vigil for a murdered woman have been men... funny that! " Since when was my Mum a man? Oh my Sister in law said it was a bit silly also Or do you mean just on this forum? Because this Forum isnt really representative of the country as a whole | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police Yep.. let's spread the virus over as big an area as we can starting with Clapham Common and all the buses and tubes around it.. I am.sure the bus drivers will thank you.. Let’s spectacularly and deliberately miss the point shall we. How is this OUTSIDE event any worse than say, a classroom full of kids? It could have and should have been managed better. The Met are culpable The High Court said it was illegal, that's based on laws drawn up by politicians, why not ignore that and just blame the police, it's easier than getting the facts right after all Because he has an obvious agenda, no one else uses the term "bootlicker" or "defund the police" than weird Antifa types who think spraying ACAB everywhere is cool Bit like how communists call everyone that disagrees with them "reactionary" " Let him have his say and look foolish.. Yes I am a bootlicker.. Usually a dominatrix in thigh boots but a different story.. | |||
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"Great cause but if you went then you are part of the covid problem And not the solution. Shame on you ! Disgusting... truly shameful Also, notice that all of the people having a pop at a vigil for a murdered woman have been men... funny that! No. Not funny.. the cause is right but not the time for illegal gatherings.. No different to an illegal rave " Letter of the law...... spirit of the law.... Can you really answer yes to both in this circumstance? Also.... if you are really comparing a vigil for a murdered woman to an illegal rave...... that says a whole lot more about you than me! | |||
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"Great cause but if you went then you are part of the covid problem And not the solution. Shame on you ! Disgusting... truly shameful Also, notice that all of the people having a pop at a vigil for a murdered woman have been men... funny that! No. Not funny.. the cause is right but not the time for illegal gatherings.. No different to an illegal rave Letter of the law...... spirit of the law.... Can you really answer yes to both in this circumstance? Also.... if you are really comparing a vigil for a murdered woman to an illegal rave...... that says a whole lot more about you than me! " No.. I am saying that ANY mass gathering is stupid when we are in lockdown.. | |||
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"The Met are the biggest gang in London. That’s all they are. Dreadfully handled from start to finish. All they know is bullying and heavy handedness. Saw it all last summer and we will continue to see it now they’ve been granted extra powers to stop non-violent disruptive protest" .sorry but I disagree. People shouldn't have been there. I don't know why the people were arrested but if they hadn't been there, then they wouldn't have been. The ladies own family asked people not to attend. The organisers cancelled and asked people not to attend. Its the same as with the protests last year.. the police would have got criticism whatever they did. If they had let it go, there would have been those saying why didn't they stop it. People need to respect that covid is still a risk. | |||
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"How long will people use the pandemic as a reason not to speak out about things? We shouldnt speak out about climate change or racial equality or gender equality as theres a pandemic on. Feels like an convenient excuse to just brush aside serious issues. A high majority of people have kept to the rules through out this whole thing. The powers that be have orchestrated a response to the virus in record time. Now we’re in a much better position, vaccines, better testing, closed borders, masks, social distancing etc Maybe i’m missing the point the OP is trying go make. " Totally agree with you. | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. " Who'd want to be a copper, damned if you do, damned if you don't. A judge said a protest was illegal and then the Police uphold the law but now politicians slate them yet pass the laws? | |||
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"Ken Marsh again "Yesterday 26 Metropolitan Police officers were assaulted – punched, kicked, spat at – policing Covid-19 lockdown laws that a democratically elected government have imposed … laws that the mayor of London has called on us to enforce to keep Londoners safe. Now colleagues are being condemned by politicians of all parties for doing what we have been asked to do by politicians on behalf of society. This is not right or fair. Damned if we do. Damned if we don’t. Are we supposed to enforce Covid-19 regulations or not?" I prefer to wait for the facts, some politicians perhaps not" | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. Who'd want to be a copper, damned if you do, damned if you don't. A judge said a protest was illegal and then the Police uphold the law but now politicians slate them yet pass the laws? " Agreed. Underpaid, undervalued and treated like crap by the society they are trying to protect...Whether the protests were right or wrong there are people advocating this who would shop their neighbours for breaking Covid restrictions | |||
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"Ken Marsh again "Yesterday 26 Metropolitan Police officers were assaulted – punched, kicked, spat at – policing Covid-19 lockdown laws that a democratically elected government have imposed … laws that the mayor of London has called on us to enforce to keep Londoners safe. Now colleagues are being condemned by politicians of all parties for doing what we have been asked to do by politicians on behalf of society. This is not right or fair. Damned if we do. Damned if we don’t. Are we supposed to enforce Covid-19 regulations or not?" I prefer to wait for the facts, some politicians perhaps not" | |||
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"I have seen the footage.. no social distancing...if you went then great.. it was your own free will...police officers were sent there.. The crowd shout to the police, Shame on You.. The reverse is true. Shame on You for attending " I agree with you tom. | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police I don't know if you missed it but the High Court deemed it illegal, perhaps you think the Met Police make the law, they don't." It wasnt illegal | |||
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"In his ruling in the High Court, the Judge left the Police and vigil organisers to arrange the event. The Police defied the Ruling and were determined to ban the gathering - it was embarrassing for them so they chose to deal with the assembly in a seemingly very violent manner. The Police will have lost much support which they need - they are supposed to police by consent and not brute force and fear. I'm afraid Cressida Dick has got this very wrong and the buck stops with her." Vigils were also allowed in other parts of the country. | |||
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"A vigil is somewhere where people turn up, support each other, hold a candle, say a prayer. A protest is where people turn up with loudhailers, raise provocative banners and wave their fists in the air. " Perhaps we should make it illegal to raise your fists in the air. | |||
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"A vigil is somewhere where people turn up, support each other, hold a candle, say a prayer. A protest is where people turn up with loudhailers, raise provocative banners and wave their fists in the air. Perhaps we should make it illegal to raise your fists in the air." Maybe people ought to take more personal responsibility? | |||
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"A vigil is somewhere where people turn up, support each other, hold a candle, say a prayer. A protest is where people turn up with loudhailers, raise provocative banners and wave their fists in the air. Perhaps we should make it illegal to raise your fists in the air. Maybe people ought to take more personal responsibility? " In what way? | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. " it was cancelled long before people turned up | |||
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"A vigil is somewhere where people turn up, support each other, hold a candle, say a prayer. A protest is where people turn up with loudhailers, raise provocative banners and wave their fists in the air. Perhaps we should make it illegal to raise your fists in the air." funnily enough, Priti's newlegislation is close to that | |||
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"It's complex given the covid legislation, the police were left to sort something by the High court ruling and it could and possibly should have been facilitated in partnership with the organisers for a limited period as per safe distancing etc.. It's too easy to say the law says no when the current situation whereby women are treated in the most vile ways we can imagine by some men and the system has for decades paid lip service to this.. You can bet your last penny that had this been the other way round with men being beaten, ra#ed and killed by women in the numbers we shamefully have the issue would have been sorted years ago.. It's not all men before anyone comes back with that, but it's an awful lot of women who don't feel safe in our society and it's down to all of us to stand with them and push the system to sort it out.. " The fact that they didnt even engage with the organizers seems to be ridiculous. They were just no..its not going ahead. And even then why didnt they just block the park off?They knew people were going to turn up. In addition the fact that other vigils were allowed throughout the country seems to be lost on people. The picture of the girl being restrained is horrific and wont do them any favours. | |||
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"I thought they did engage with the organisers who were told that if they held the vigil there would be a 10,000 quid fine. This is not a parking ticket. It's not to prevent lawful protest. It's to try and stop the spread of covid. The covid deaths that dwarfs the number of people murdered. The organisers cancelled the event and of course rent a mob turn up to kick off as usual. " They arranged the event with all the details so everyone knew. Then it was 'cancelled' so no £10,000 fine. Just like Trump didn't incite the capitol riots.  | |||
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"'rent-a-mob' is a extremely ironic label considering the met's record of corruption that's been ongoing for decades the metropolitan police force... the best police that money can buy" So it's just another anti police post then ? | |||
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"The police have history in putting out their version of events,they have done it quite successfully in the past. On many occasions of course this isnt actually what has happened,but why would you disbelieve a police officer? It seems once again stories have been leaked again with officers being spat at etc As mentioned yesterday the police have a culture of protecting their own. I'd rather hear both sides than just believe the "official version'" You do seem to be only interested in one side tho Lionel. The side that demonises police. I understand it’s difficult for civvies to get their heads round when it comes to the police and their public order operations as there have been horrific incidents in the past where the police have wholly failed in their duty. But unfortunately, there is truth in what outlets like Bullshire and One Police are putting out. It used to be a standard ‘tactical parameter’ when planning the policing of an upcoming protest that professional agitators were a factor that needed planning for, every time. If the EDL came to town we’d have to plan for the AFL trying to provoke them and us into reacting to them. Same if there was an anti UKIP or BNP protest - we’d plan for the hardened minority of counter protestors looking to infiltrate their ranks and provoke the police into packing up the protest. Planning and executing a large public order op is like a fucking game of chess! It’s anecdotal I know, but it’s not something currently serving police leaders will openly admit to the public. For tactical reasons and for PR reasons. From all the footage and evidence I’ve seen, the Met walked straight into a PR trap. For a force that’s spent the last 10 years becoming more and more politicised and criticised for ‘two tier’ policing, it’s been a disaster. | |||
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"The police have history in putting out their version of events,they have done it quite successfully in the past. On many occasions of course this isnt actually what has happened,but why would you disbelieve a police officer? It seems once again stories have been leaked again with officers being spat at etc As mentioned yesterday the police have a culture of protecting their own. I'd rather hear both sides than just believe the "official version' You do seem to be only interested in one side tho Lionel. The side that demonises police. I understand it’s difficult for civvies to get their heads round when it comes to the police and their public order operations as there have been horrific incidents in the past where the police have wholly failed in their duty. But unfortunately, there is truth in what outlets like Bullshire and One Police are putting out. It used to be a standard ‘tactical parameter’ when planning the policing of an upcoming protest that professional agitators were a factor that needed planning for, every time. If the EDL came to town we’d have to plan for the AFL trying to provoke them and us into reacting to them. Same if there was an anti UKIP or BNP protest - we’d plan for the hardened minority of counter protestors looking to infiltrate their ranks and provoke the police into packing up the protest. Planning and executing a large public order op is like a fucking game of chess! It’s anecdotal I know, but it’s not something currently serving police leaders will openly admit to the public. For tactical reasons and for PR reasons. From all the footage and evidence I’ve seen, the Met walked straight into a PR trap. For a force that’s spent the last 10 years becoming more and more politicised and criticised for ‘two tier’ policing, it’s been a disaster. " Maybe because I've seen at 1st hand what they do and how quickly they get the press onside. People will automatically believe the police version of events.This has happened for decades. | |||
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"The police have history in putting out their version of events,they have done it quite successfully in the past. On many occasions of course this isnt actually what has happened,but why would you disbelieve a police officer? It seems once again stories have been leaked again with officers being spat at etc As mentioned yesterday the police have a culture of protecting their own. I'd rather hear both sides than just believe the "official version' You do seem to be only interested in one side tho Lionel. The side that demonises police. I understand it’s difficult for civvies to get their heads round when it comes to the police and their public order operations as there have been horrific incidents in the past where the police have wholly failed in their duty. But unfortunately, there is truth in what outlets like Bullshire and One Police are putting out. It used to be a standard ‘tactical parameter’ when planning the policing of an upcoming protest that professional agitators were a factor that needed planning for, every time. If the EDL came to town we’d have to plan for the AFL trying to provoke them and us into reacting to them. Same if there was an anti UKIP or BNP protest - we’d plan for the hardened minority of counter protestors looking to infiltrate their ranks and provoke the police into packing up the protest. Planning and executing a large public order op is like a fucking game of chess! It’s anecdotal I know, but it’s not something currently serving police leaders will openly admit to the public. For tactical reasons and for PR reasons. From all the footage and evidence I’ve seen, the Met walked straight into a PR trap. For a force that’s spent the last 10 years becoming more and more politicised and criticised for ‘two tier’ policing, it’s been a disaster. " very interesting post The police do a god awful job, they are underfunded, they are also acting as social workers, which they are not. Perhaps a good starting point would be for the senior police to say "look, the world has changed, if you want us to change, fine, but give us the cash to do the job and make the changes, and give us the support we need to do the non policing part of the job we've ended up with" However, I cannot see the government of the last ten years even listening. Local to us is asmall town, population, 90K plus. It has 3 police cars available on a night. | |||
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"The police have history in putting out their version of events,they have done it quite successfully in the past. On many occasions of course this isnt actually what has happened,but why would you disbelieve a police officer? It seems once again stories have been leaked again with officers being spat at etc As mentioned yesterday the police have a culture of protecting their own. I'd rather hear both sides than just believe the "official version' You do seem to be only interested in one side tho Lionel. The side that demonises police. I understand it’s difficult for civvies to get their heads round when it comes to the police and their public order operations as there have been horrific incidents in the past where the police have wholly failed in their duty. But unfortunately, there is truth in what outlets like Bullshire and One Police are putting out. It used to be a standard ‘tactical parameter’ when planning the policing of an upcoming protest that professional agitators were a factor that needed planning for, every time. If the EDL came to town we’d have to plan for the AFL trying to provoke them and us into reacting to them. Same if there was an anti UKIP or BNP protest - we’d plan for the hardened minority of counter protestors looking to infiltrate their ranks and provoke the police into packing up the protest. Planning and executing a large public order op is like a fucking game of chess! It’s anecdotal I know, but it’s not something currently serving police leaders will openly admit to the public. For tactical reasons and for PR reasons. From all the footage and evidence I’ve seen, the Met walked straight into a PR trap. For a force that’s spent the last 10 years becoming more and more politicised and criticised for ‘two tier’ policing, it’s been a disaster. Maybe because I've seen at 1st hand what they do and how quickly they get the press onside. People will automatically believe the police version of events.This has happened for decades." This is almost an impossibly these days tho Lionel. Like I said yesterday in an age of cctv, body cams and mobile phones the footage that gets shown to demonise the police is very carefully chosen by those with an anti police agenda. Now more footage from independent none affiliated sources is being released the picture of a brutal stamping out of a peaceful protest is being shattered. I understand the public’s fear of police, but this viciously anti police rhetoric, where all police are corrupt and evil is bullshit. | |||
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"The police have history in putting out their version of events,they have done it quite successfully in the past. On many occasions of course this isnt actually what has happened,but why would you disbelieve a police officer? It seems once again stories have been leaked again with officers being spat at etc As mentioned yesterday the police have a culture of protecting their own. I'd rather hear both sides than just believe the "official version' You do seem to be only interested in one side tho Lionel. The side that demonises police. I understand it’s difficult for civvies to get their heads round when it comes to the police and their public order operations as there have been horrific incidents in the past where the police have wholly failed in their duty. But unfortunately, there is truth in what outlets like Bullshire and One Police are putting out. It used to be a standard ‘tactical parameter’ when planning the policing of an upcoming protest that professional agitators were a factor that needed planning for, every time. If the EDL came to town we’d have to plan for the AFL trying to provoke them and us into reacting to them. Same if there was an anti UKIP or BNP protest - we’d plan for the hardened minority of counter protestors looking to infiltrate their ranks and provoke the police into packing up the protest. Planning and executing a large public order op is like a fucking game of chess! It’s anecdotal I know, but it’s not something currently serving police leaders will openly admit to the public. For tactical reasons and for PR reasons. From all the footage and evidence I’ve seen, the Met walked straight into a PR trap. For a force that’s spent the last 10 years becoming more and more politicised and criticised for ‘two tier’ policing, it’s been a disaster. Maybe because I've seen at 1st hand what they do and how quickly they get the press onside. People will automatically believe the police version of events.This has happened for decades. This is almost an impossibly these days tho Lionel. Like I said yesterday in an age of cctv, body cams and mobile phones the footage that gets shown to demonise the police is very carefully chosen by those with an anti police agenda. Now more footage from independent none affiliated sources is being released the picture of a brutal stamping out of a peaceful protest is being shattered. I understand the public’s fear of police, but this viciously anti police rhetoric, where all police are corrupt and evil is bullshit. " Very few people believe all police are evil and corrupt. However clearly there are issues there(I posted a link yesterday about attacks on women) Clearly on sat..it looks like..they went over the top..but once again they have gone on the offensive..that's where the problem lies. | |||
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"The police have history in putting out their version of events,they have done it quite successfully in the past. On many occasions of course this isnt actually what has happened,but why would you disbelieve a police officer? It seems once again stories have been leaked again with officers being spat at etc As mentioned yesterday the police have a culture of protecting their own. I'd rather hear both sides than just believe the "official version' You do seem to be only interested in one side tho Lionel. The side that demonises police. I understand it’s difficult for civvies to get their heads round when it comes to the police and their public order operations as there have been horrific incidents in the past where the police have wholly failed in their duty. But unfortunately, there is truth in what outlets like Bullshire and One Police are putting out. It used to be a standard ‘tactical parameter’ when planning the policing of an upcoming protest that professional agitators were a factor that needed planning for, every time. If the EDL came to town we’d have to plan for the AFL trying to provoke them and us into reacting to them. Same if there was an anti UKIP or BNP protest - we’d plan for the hardened minority of counter protestors looking to infiltrate their ranks and provoke the police into packing up the protest. Planning and executing a large public order op is like a fucking game of chess! It’s anecdotal I know, but it’s not something currently serving police leaders will openly admit to the public. For tactical reasons and for PR reasons. From all the footage and evidence I’ve seen, the Met walked straight into a PR trap. For a force that’s spent the last 10 years becoming more and more politicised and criticised for ‘two tier’ policing, it’s been a disaster. very interesting post The police do a god awful job, they are underfunded, they are also acting as social workers, which they are not. Perhaps a good starting point would be for the senior police to say "look, the world has changed, if you want us to change, fine, but give us the cash to do the job and make the changes, and give us the support we need to do the non policing part of the job we've ended up with" However, I cannot see the government of the last ten years even listening. Local to us is asmall town, population, 90K plus. It has 3 police cars available on a night." We’re talking about the extended government that cut police by 20% in real terms nationally. They won’t stump up anymore funding, that’s something I am sure of. But you’ve touched a nerve for me there. One of the primary reasons I get so upset with the idea that all police are corrupt is because those complaints come from one of two people in my experience - criminals or those too cowardly to do it themselves. The job was never just what you see on TV. The things cops are expected to do, to see, to feel....and yet there are those who would call them all monsters. Disgusts me. It’s the lowest kind of prejudice and pig ignorance. | |||
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"The police have history in putting out their version of events,they have done it quite successfully in the past. On many occasions of course this isnt actually what has happened,but why would you disbelieve a police officer? It seems once again stories have been leaked again with officers being spat at etc As mentioned yesterday the police have a culture of protecting their own. I'd rather hear both sides than just believe the "official version' You do seem to be only interested in one side tho Lionel. The side that demonises police. I understand it’s difficult for civvies to get their heads round when it comes to the police and their public order operations as there have been horrific incidents in the past where the police have wholly failed in their duty. But unfortunately, there is truth in what outlets like Bullshire and One Police are putting out. It used to be a standard ‘tactical parameter’ when planning the policing of an upcoming protest that professional agitators were a factor that needed planning for, every time. If the EDL came to town we’d have to plan for the AFL trying to provoke them and us into reacting to them. Same if there was an anti UKIP or BNP protest - we’d plan for the hardened minority of counter protestors looking to infiltrate their ranks and provoke the police into packing up the protest. Planning and executing a large public order op is like a fucking game of chess! It’s anecdotal I know, but it’s not something currently serving police leaders will openly admit to the public. For tactical reasons and for PR reasons. From all the footage and evidence I’ve seen, the Met walked straight into a PR trap. For a force that’s spent the last 10 years becoming more and more politicised and criticised for ‘two tier’ policing, it’s been a disaster. Maybe because I've seen at 1st hand what they do and how quickly they get the press onside. People will automatically believe the police version of events.This has happened for decades. This is almost an impossibly these days tho Lionel. Like I said yesterday in an age of cctv, body cams and mobile phones the footage that gets shown to demonise the police is very carefully chosen by those with an anti police agenda. Now more footage from independent none affiliated sources is being released the picture of a brutal stamping out of a peaceful protest is being shattered. I understand the public’s fear of police, but this viciously anti police rhetoric, where all police are corrupt and evil is bullshit. Very few people believe all police are evil and corrupt. However clearly there are issues there(I posted a link yesterday about attacks on women) Clearly on sat..it looks like..they went over the top..but once again they have gone on the offensive..that's where the problem lies." There are plenty enough here Lionel. Like I’ve said before, neither of us were there, so we’ll have to wait for the investigation to run its course. | |||
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"The police have history in putting out their version of events,they have done it quite successfully in the past. On many occasions of course this isnt actually what has happened,but why would you disbelieve a police officer? It seems once again stories have been leaked again with officers being spat at etc As mentioned yesterday the police have a culture of protecting their own. I'd rather hear both sides than just believe the "official version' You do seem to be only interested in one side tho Lionel. The side that demonises police. I understand it’s difficult for civvies to get their heads round when it comes to the police and their public order operations as there have been horrific incidents in the past where the police have wholly failed in their duty. But unfortunately, there is truth in what outlets like Bullshire and One Police are putting out. It used to be a standard ‘tactical parameter’ when planning the policing of an upcoming protest that professional agitators were a factor that needed planning for, every time. If the EDL came to town we’d have to plan for the AFL trying to provoke them and us into reacting to them. Same if there was an anti UKIP or BNP protest - we’d plan for the hardened minority of counter protestors looking to infiltrate their ranks and provoke the police into packing up the protest. Planning and executing a large public order op is like a fucking game of chess! It’s anecdotal I know, but it’s not something currently serving police leaders will openly admit to the public. For tactical reasons and for PR reasons. From all the footage and evidence I’ve seen, the Met walked straight into a PR trap. For a force that’s spent the last 10 years becoming more and more politicised and criticised for ‘two tier’ policing, it’s been a disaster. very interesting post The police do a god awful job, they are underfunded, they are also acting as social workers, which they are not. Perhaps a good starting point would be for the senior police to say "look, the world has changed, if you want us to change, fine, but give us the cash to do the job and make the changes, and give us the support we need to do the non policing part of the job we've ended up with" However, I cannot see the government of the last ten years even listening. Local to us is asmall town, population, 90K plus. It has 3 police cars available on a night. We’re talking about the extended government that cut police by 20% in real terms nationally. They won’t stump up anymore funding, that’s something I am sure of. But you’ve touched a nerve for me there. One of the primary reasons I get so upset with the idea that all police are corrupt is because those complaints come from one of two people in my experience - criminals or those too cowardly to do it themselves. The job was never just what you see on TV. The things cops are expected to do, to see, to feel....and yet there are those who would call them all monsters. Disgusts me. It’s the lowest kind of prejudice and pig ignorance. " well my post didn't intend to touch a nerve and i hope you take it in the way it was intended I know all about serial complainers ("frequent flyers" is the term we use) Not all cops are monsters, as I said it's god awful job, but there are more than enogh bad apples in there to make it stand out. What also is galling is the denial culture "nope never did it" and the way in which complaints get sat on. Again, locally, CCTV pictures of a policeman assaulting someone, and it was denied every step of the way. Yes the police get assaulted, often viciously and cruelly, but theres a very good hance the perpetrator will be caught and convicted. Can you understand why many no longer feel the police do their job by consent? | |||
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"The police have history in putting out their version of events,they have done it quite successfully in the past. On many occasions of course this isnt actually what has happened,but why would you disbelieve a police officer? It seems once again stories have been leaked again with officers being spat at etc As mentioned yesterday the police have a culture of protecting their own. I'd rather hear both sides than just believe the "official version' You do seem to be only interested in one side tho Lionel. The side that demonises police. I understand it’s difficult for civvies to get their heads round when it comes to the police and their public order operations as there have been horrific incidents in the past where the police have wholly failed in their duty. But unfortunately, there is truth in what outlets like Bullshire and One Police are putting out. It used to be a standard ‘tactical parameter’ when planning the policing of an upcoming protest that professional agitators were a factor that needed planning for, every time. If the EDL came to town we’d have to plan for the AFL trying to provoke them and us into reacting to them. Same if there was an anti UKIP or BNP protest - we’d plan for the hardened minority of counter protestors looking to infiltrate their ranks and provoke the police into packing up the protest. Planning and executing a large public order op is like a fucking game of chess! It’s anecdotal I know, but it’s not something currently serving police leaders will openly admit to the public. For tactical reasons and for PR reasons. From all the footage and evidence I’ve seen, the Met walked straight into a PR trap. For a force that’s spent the last 10 years becoming more and more politicised and criticised for ‘two tier’ policing, it’s been a disaster. very interesting post The police do a god awful job, they are underfunded, they are also acting as social workers, which they are not. Perhaps a good starting point would be for the senior police to say "look, the world has changed, if you want us to change, fine, but give us the cash to do the job and make the changes, and give us the support we need to do the non policing part of the job we've ended up with" However, I cannot see the government of the last ten years even listening. Local to us is asmall town, population, 90K plus. It has 3 police cars available on a night. We’re talking about the extended government that cut police by 20% in real terms nationally. They won’t stump up anymore funding, that’s something I am sure of. But you’ve touched a nerve for me there. One of the primary reasons I get so upset with the idea that all police are corrupt is because those complaints come from one of two people in my experience - criminals or those too cowardly to do it themselves. The job was never just what you see on TV. The things cops are expected to do, to see, to feel....and yet there are those who would call them all monsters. Disgusts me. It’s the lowest kind of prejudice and pig ignorance. well my post didn't intend to touch a nerve and i hope you take it in the way it was intended I know all about serial complainers ("frequent flyers" is the term we use) Not all cops are monsters, as I said it's god awful job, but there are more than enogh bad apples in there to make it stand out. What also is galling is the denial culture "nope never did it" and the way in which complaints get sat on. Again, locally, CCTV pictures of a policeman assaulting someone, and it was denied every step of the way. Yes the police get assaulted, often viciously and cruelly, but theres a very good hance the perpetrator will be caught and convicted. Can you understand why many no longer feel the police do their job by consent?" No my rant wasn’t aimed at you for posting, just the overall feeling in general. I said in a post yesterday the ‘closing ranks’ issue still existed when I left the job 5 years ago - but it happened at senior ranks. Rank and file officers, when caught wrongdoing, were made an example of. Again this is something that even current serving PC’s laugh and joke about. It’s all over Bullshire for instance. With your example of the local PC assaulting someone - what was the context? One thing I’ve found civilians really don’t understand is that police are authorised to use reasonable force. They fill out use of force forms every time they handcuff someone even if it’s compliant. Reasonable force can be anything from compliant front stack handcuffing up to shooting someone in the head - but the bit folks don’t get their heads around is that it’s all down to that officers ‘honestly held belief’. So what can look like an outright assault to someone will usually have a backstory they won’t be aware of. Body worn video was just being rolled out when I left and upheld complaints against police dropped over 90%. | |||
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"They also could have entered into a dialogue with the organisers..they chose not too. They could have closed the park.They chose not too. So if they did fall into a trap..which I dont believe.. it was their own doing." Of course Lionel is a trained Public Order Commander or learnt his trade whilst warming his hands outside Liverpool dock gates in the 70s. I suppose this anti police and government rhetoric is built on the fact that MI 5 had him followed and monitored. Not there most difficult job. Just look at the man standing on an old orange crate wearing a bearskin hat with a hammer and syckel badge selling the soviet weekly.. public order has moved on from the Miners strike... But it's not about that. It's about protecting everyone from Covid as best we can whilst the third wave hits Europe... | |||
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"They also could have entered into a dialogue with the organisers..they chose not too. They could have closed the park.They chose not too. So if they did fall into a trap..which I dont believe.. it was their own doing. Of course Lionel is a trained Public Order Commander or learnt his trade whilst warming his hands outside Liverpool dock gates in the 70s. I suppose this anti police and government rhetoric is built on the fact that MI 5 had him followed and monitored. Not there most difficult job. Just look at the man standing on an old orange crate wearing a bearskin hat with a hammer and syckel badge selling the soviet weekly.. public order has moved on from the Miners strike... But it's not about that. It's about protecting everyone from Covid as best we can whilst the third wave hits Europe..." 
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"A vigil is somewhere where people turn up, support each other, hold a candle, say a prayer. A protest is where people turn up with loudhailers, raise provocative banners and wave their fists in the air. Perhaps we should make it illegal to raise your fists in the air. Maybe people ought to take more personal responsibility? In what way?" The organised vigil was cancelled. Thats easy enough to understand. Organisers of the event were liable for a £10k fine, under current covid restrictions. People turned up unofficially. Some were without masks. They congregated in a large group. After a year, people still aren't aware how covid is spread! Why didn't they spread out? Be socially distanced? Was it wise for someone to be holding a large "ACAB" placard front and centre? Was it wise for people to ignore instructions from the police to get off the bandstand? Was it wise for certain people to be agitating the crowd? Decisions were made on both sides, probably regretted in the light of day. I just hope that Miss Everard's family find some peace. | |||
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"The police have history in putting out their version of events,they have done it quite successfully in the past. On many occasions of course this isnt actually what has happened,but why would you disbelieve a police officer? It seems once again stories have been leaked again with officers being spat at etc As mentioned yesterday the police have a culture of protecting their own. I'd rather hear both sides than just believe the "official version' You do seem to be only interested in one side tho Lionel. The side that demonises police. I understand it’s difficult for civvies to get their heads round when it comes to the police and their public order operations as there have been horrific incidents in the past where the police have wholly failed in their duty. But unfortunately, there is truth in what outlets like Bullshire and One Police are putting out. It used to be a standard ‘tactical parameter’ when planning the policing of an upcoming protest that professional agitators were a factor that needed planning for, every time. If the EDL came to town we’d have to plan for the AFL trying to provoke them and us into reacting to them. Same if there was an anti UKIP or BNP protest - we’d plan for the hardened minority of counter protestors looking to infiltrate their ranks and provoke the police into packing up the protest. Planning and executing a large public order op is like a fucking game of chess! It’s anecdotal I know, but it’s not something currently serving police leaders will openly admit to the public. For tactical reasons and for PR reasons. From all the footage and evidence I’ve seen, the Met walked straight into a PR trap. For a force that’s spent the last 10 years becoming more and more politicised and criticised for ‘two tier’ policing, it’s been a disaster. very interesting post The police do a god awful job, they are underfunded, they are also acting as social workers, which they are not. Perhaps a good starting point would be for the senior police to say "look, the world has changed, if you want us to change, fine, but give us the cash to do the job and make the changes, and give us the support we need to do the non policing part of the job we've ended up with" However, I cannot see the government of the last ten years even listening. Local to us is asmall town, population, 90K plus. It has 3 police cars available on a night. We’re talking about the extended government that cut police by 20% in real terms nationally. They won’t stump up anymore funding, that’s something I am sure of. But you’ve touched a nerve for me there. One of the primary reasons I get so upset with the idea that all police are corrupt is because those complaints come from one of two people in my experience - criminals or those too cowardly to do it themselves. The job was never just what you see on TV. The things cops are expected to do, to see, to feel....and yet there are those who would call them all monsters. Disgusts me. It’s the lowest kind of prejudice and pig ignorance. well my post didn't intend to touch a nerve and i hope you take it in the way it was intended I know all about serial complainers ("frequent flyers" is the term we use) Not all cops are monsters, as I said it's god awful job, but there are more than enogh bad apples in there to make it stand out. What also is galling is the denial culture "nope never did it" and the way in which complaints get sat on. Again, locally, CCTV pictures of a policeman assaulting someone, and it was denied every step of the way. Yes the police get assaulted, often viciously and cruelly, but theres a very good hance the perpetrator will be caught and convicted. Can you understand why many no longer feel the police do their job by consent? No my rant wasn’t aimed at you for posting, just the overall feeling in general. I said in a post yesterday the ‘closing ranks’ issue still existed when I left the job 5 years ago - but it happened at senior ranks. Rank and file officers, when caught wrongdoing, were made an example of. Again this is something that even current serving PC’s laugh and joke about. It’s all over Bullshire for instance. With your example of the local PC assaulting someone - what was the context? One thing I’ve found civilians really don’t understand is that police are authorised to use reasonable force. They fill out use of force forms every time they handcuff someone even if it’s compliant. Reasonable force can be anything from compliant front stack handcuffing up to shooting someone in the head - but the bit folks don’t get their heads around is that it’s all down to that officers ‘honestly held belief’. So what can look like an outright assault to someone will usually have a backstory they won’t be aware of. Body worn video was just being rolled out when I left and upheld complaints against police dropped over 90%. " from memory, bloke walking down the high street with girlfriend, asked to stop, then got a walloping from the pc who stopped him, again from memory a broken arm. Comlaint in and denied att the way to them losing a courst case. Must stress this is Cleveland police, who have an absolutely appauling history and reputation  | |||
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"A vigil is somewhere where people turn up, support each other, hold a candle, say a prayer. A protest is where people turn up with loudhailers, raise provocative banners and wave their fists in the air. Perhaps we should make it illegal to raise your fists in the air. Maybe people ought to take more personal responsibility? In what way? The organised vigil was cancelled. Thats easy enough to understand. Organisers of the event were liable for a £10k fine, under current covid restrictions. People turned up unofficially. Some were without masks. They congregated in a large group. After a year, people still aren't aware how covid is spread! Why didn't they spread out? Be socially distanced? Was it wise for someone to be holding a large "ACAB" placard front and centre? Was it wise for people to ignore instructions from the police to get off the bandstand? Was it wise for certain people to be agitating the crowd? Decisions were made on both sides, probably regretted in the light of day. I just hope that Miss Everard's family find some peace. " I thought the crowd was just women. Women don't get violent or wave placards. They are sweet and kind and meek. | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police Yep.. let's spread the virus over as big an area as we can starting with Clapham Common and all the buses and tubes around it.. I am.sure the bus drivers will thank you.. Let’s spectacularly and deliberately miss the point shall we. How is this OUTSIDE event any worse than say, a classroom full of kids? It could have and should have been managed better. The Met are culpable" easy one's legal other isn't they broke the law pay the ferry man | |||
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"A vigil is somewhere where people turn up, support each other, hold a candle, say a prayer. A protest is where people turn up with loudhailers, raise provocative banners and wave their fists in the air. Perhaps we should make it illegal to raise your fists in the air. Maybe people ought to take more personal responsibility? In what way? The organised vigil was cancelled. Thats easy enough to understand. Organisers of the event were liable for a £10k fine, under current covid restrictions. People turned up unofficially. Some were without masks. They congregated in a large group. After a year, people still aren't aware how covid is spread! Why didn't they spread out? Be socially distanced? Was it wise for someone to be holding a large "ACAB" placard front and centre? Was it wise for people to ignore instructions from the police to get off the bandstand? Was it wise for certain people to be agitating the crowd? Decisions were made on both sides, probably regretted in the light of day. I just hope that Miss Everard's family find some peace. I thought the crowd was just women. Women don't get violent or wave placards. They are sweet and kind and meek. " Agreed Shaking your fist is most unladylike | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police Yep.. let's spread the virus over as big an area as we can starting with Clapham Common and all the buses and tubes around it.. I am.sure the bus drivers will thank you.. Let’s spectacularly and deliberately miss the point shall we. How is this OUTSIDE event any worse than say, a classroom full of kids? It could have and should have been managed better. The Met are culpable easy one's legal other isn't they broke the law pay the ferry man" What law did they break exactly? | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police I don't know if you missed it but the High Court deemed it illegal, perhaps you think the Met Police make the law, they don't." Just for clarity “High Court judge rules it is ‘inappropriate’ for him to intervene in police ban of Reclaim These Streets event”. It wasnot deemed illegal, it was suggested that the Met & Organisers reached an agreement as the High Court did not want to be involved. The Organisers could not get the Met to support a marshalled protest, so they withdrew. As people were already fed up, angry and feeling let down they met for a quiet protest. Strangely the Police decided it was time to get violent. Against women. Dumbest thing they’ve done for years - egged on by Ptitti Patel demonising anyone who disagrees with the Govt. | |||
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"A vigil is somewhere where people turn up, support each other, hold a candle, say a prayer. A protest is where people turn up with loudhailers, raise provocative banners and wave their fists in the air. Perhaps we should make it illegal to raise your fists in the air. Maybe people ought to take more personal responsibility? In what way? The organised vigil was cancelled. Thats easy enough to understand. Organisers of the event were liable for a £10k fine, under current covid restrictions. People turned up unofficially. Some were without masks. They congregated in a large group. After a year, people still aren't aware how covid is spread! Why didn't they spread out? Be socially distanced? Was it wise for someone to be holding a large "ACAB" placard front and centre? Was it wise for people to ignore instructions from the police to get off the bandstand? Was it wise for certain people to be agitating the crowd? Decisions were made on both sides, probably regretted in the light of day. I just hope that Miss Everard's family find some peace. " Well considering a policeman has allegedly murdered a woman and tensions were running high,perhaps it may have been wise to actually sit down and come with a solution, rather than banning it outright? Especially considering several other vigils around the country were allowed to go ahead. Additionally considering a woman has just been chopped up..I suspect people were a bit peeved .however waving around a provocative banner is obviously beyond the pale and you cant Blame the police for reacting There is also the rather inconvenient fact that numerous other gatherings have took place,where people where not dragged out by the police | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police I don't know if you missed it but the High Court deemed it illegal, perhaps you think the Met Police make the law, they don't. Just for clarity “High Court judge rules it is ‘inappropriate’ for him to intervene in police ban of Reclaim These Streets event”. It wasnot deemed illegal, it was suggested that the Met & Organisers reached an agreement as the High Court did not want to be involved. The Organisers could not get the Met to support a marshalled protest, so they withdrew. As people were already fed up, angry and feeling let down they met for a quiet protest. Strangely the Police decided it was time to get violent. Against women. Dumbest thing they’ve done for years - egged on by Ptitti Patel demonising anyone who disagrees with the Govt. The constant justification yesterday was that they were breaking the law. Obviously asking what law they broke,and they get a bit stumped. " Well if the arrests were lawful then the police have nothing to fear. If they were unlawful then the Four people arrested may have a legal remedy. Perhaps where there will be no legal remedy will be those officers, members of the public and innocent commuters who may be unwittingly infected with Covid, some of which may die. One crime I did see commited was a crime against common sense in the middle of a pandemic. Shame on them... | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police I don't know if you missed it but the High Court deemed it illegal, perhaps you think the Met Police make the law, they don't. Just for clarity “High Court judge rules it is ‘inappropriate’ for him to intervene in police ban of Reclaim These Streets event”. It wasnot deemed illegal, it was suggested that the Met & Organisers reached an agreement as the High Court did not want to be involved. The Organisers could not get the Met to support a marshalled protest, so they withdrew. As people were already fed up, angry and feeling let down they met for a quiet protest. Strangely the Police decided it was time to get violent. Against women. Dumbest thing they’ve done for years - egged on by Ptitti Patel demonising anyone who disagrees with the Govt. The constant justification yesterday was that they were breaking the law. Obviously asking what law they broke,and they get a bit stumped. Well if the arrests were lawful then the police have nothing to fear. If they were unlawful then the Four people arrested may have a legal remedy. Perhaps where there will be no legal remedy will be those officers, members of the public and innocent commuters who may be unwittingly infected with Covid, some of which may die. One crime I did see commited was a crime against common sense in the middle of a pandemic. Shame on them... " It will certainly be interesting what the woman pinned down will be charged with. | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police I don't know if you missed it but the High Court deemed it illegal, perhaps you think the Met Police make the law, they don't. Just for clarity “High Court judge rules it is ‘inappropriate’ for him to intervene in police ban of Reclaim These Streets event”. It wasnot deemed illegal, it was suggested that the Met & Organisers reached an agreement as the High Court did not want to be involved. The Organisers could not get the Met to support a marshalled protest, so they withdrew. As people were already fed up, angry and feeling let down they met for a quiet protest. Strangely the Police decided it was time to get violent. Against women. Dumbest thing they’ve done for years - egged on by Ptitti Patel demonising anyone who disagrees with the Govt. The constant justification yesterday was that they were breaking the law. Obviously asking what law they broke,and they get a bit stumped. Well if the arrests were lawful then the police have nothing to fear. If they were unlawful then the Four people arrested may have a legal remedy. Perhaps where there will be no legal remedy will be those officers, members of the public and innocent commuters who may be unwittingly infected with Covid, some of which may die. One crime I did see commited was a crime against common sense in the middle of a pandemic. Shame on them... It will certainly be interesting what the woman pinned down will be charged with." Don't be fooled Lionel. When I worked the doors I saw many a girl kick off and it taken three or four guys to safely restrain her. Those officers have to justify their use of force and prevent Injury to the lady, themselves and the public. Think of it as if they were acting in the Lionel of Duty | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police I don't know if you missed it but the High Court deemed it illegal, perhaps you think the Met Police make the law, they don't. Just for clarity “High Court judge rules it is ‘inappropriate’ for him to intervene in police ban of Reclaim These Streets event”. It wasnot deemed illegal, it was suggested that the Met & Organisers reached an agreement as the High Court did not want to be involved. The Organisers could not get the Met to support a marshalled protest, so they withdrew. As people were already fed up, angry and feeling let down they met for a quiet protest. Strangely the Police decided it was time to get violent. Against women. Dumbest thing they’ve done for years - egged on by Ptitti Patel demonising anyone who disagrees with the Govt. The constant justification yesterday was that they were breaking the law. Obviously asking what law they broke,and they get a bit stumped. Well if the arrests were lawful then the police have nothing to fear. If they were unlawful then the Four people arrested may have a legal remedy. Perhaps where there will be no legal remedy will be those officers, members of the public and innocent commuters who may be unwittingly infected with Covid, some of which may die. One crime I did see commited was a crime against common sense in the middle of a pandemic. Shame on them... It will certainly be interesting what the woman pinned down will be charged with. Don't be fooled Lionel. When I worked the doors I saw many a girl kick off and it taken three or four guys to safely restrain her. Those officers have to justify their use of force and prevent Injury to the lady, themselves and the public. Think of it as if they were acting in the Lionel of Duty "
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police I don't know if you missed it but the High Court deemed it illegal, perhaps you think the Met Police make the law, they don't. Just for clarity “High Court judge rules it is ‘inappropriate’ for him to intervene in police ban of Reclaim These Streets event”. It wasnot deemed illegal, it was suggested that the Met & Organisers reached an agreement as the High Court did not want to be involved. The Organisers could not get the Met to support a marshalled protest, so they withdrew. As people were already fed up, angry and feeling let down they met for a quiet protest. Strangely the Police decided it was time to get violent. Against women. Dumbest thing they’ve done for years - egged on by Ptitti Patel demonising anyone who disagrees with the Govt. The constant justification yesterday was that they were breaking the law. Obviously asking what law they broke,and they get a bit stumped. Well if the arrests were lawful then the police have nothing to fear. If they were unlawful then the Four people arrested may have a legal remedy. Perhaps where there will be no legal remedy will be those officers, members of the public and innocent commuters who may be unwittingly infected with Covid, some of which may die. One crime I did see commited was a crime against common sense in the middle of a pandemic. Shame on them... It will certainly be interesting what the woman pinned down will be charged with. Don't be fooled Lionel. When I worked the doors I saw many a girl kick off and it taken three or four guys to safely restrain her. Those officers have to justify their use of force and prevent Injury to the lady, themselves and the public. Think of it as if they were acting in the Lionel of Duty " How about considering the issue - policeman murders a woman he abducted. Women rightly are pretty pissed off here. Good police sense would be agree with the organisers a marshalled event. Bad policy is to go heavy handed and try to stop legal protest and then to double down by going in heavy handed. This was bad policing full stop. | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police I don't know if you missed it but the High Court deemed it illegal, perhaps you think the Met Police make the law, they don't. Just for clarity “High Court judge rules it is ‘inappropriate’ for him to intervene in police ban of Reclaim These Streets event”. It wasnot deemed illegal, it was suggested that the Met & Organisers reached an agreement as the High Court did not want to be involved. The Organisers could not get the Met to support a marshalled protest, so they withdrew. As people were already fed up, angry and feeling let down they met for a quiet protest. Strangely the Police decided it was time to get violent. Against women. Dumbest thing they’ve done for years - egged on by Ptitti Patel demonising anyone who disagrees with the Govt. The constant justification yesterday was that they were breaking the law. Obviously asking what law they broke,and they get a bit stumped. Well if the arrests were lawful then the police have nothing to fear. If they were unlawful then the Four people arrested may have a legal remedy. Perhaps where there will be no legal remedy will be those officers, members of the public and innocent commuters who may be unwittingly infected with Covid, some of which may die. One crime I did see commited was a crime against common sense in the middle of a pandemic. Shame on them... It will certainly be interesting what the woman pinned down will be charged with. Don't be fooled Lionel. When I worked the doors I saw many a girl kick off and it taken three or four guys to safely restrain her. Those officers have to justify their use of force and prevent Injury to the lady, themselves and the public. Think of it as if they were acting in the Lionel of Duty How about considering the issue - policeman murders a woman he abducted. Women rightly are pretty pissed off here. Good police sense would be agree with the organisers a marshalled event. Bad policy is to go heavy handed and try to stop legal protest and then to double down by going in heavy handed. This was bad policing full stop." Tbf the shifting of blame is quite amusing Who knew the home secretary now had nothing to do with the police? Another one to add to the list. | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police I don't know if you missed it but the High Court deemed it illegal, perhaps you think the Met Police make the law, they don't. Just for clarity “High Court judge rules it is ‘inappropriate’ for him to intervene in police ban of Reclaim These Streets event”. It wasnot deemed illegal, it was suggested that the Met & Organisers reached an agreement as the High Court did not want to be involved. The Organisers could not get the Met to support a marshalled protest, so they withdrew. As people were already fed up, angry and feeling let down they met for a quiet protest. Strangely the Police decided it was time to get violent. Against women. Dumbest thing they’ve done for years - egged on by Ptitti Patel demonising anyone who disagrees with the Govt. The constant justification yesterday was that they were breaking the law. Obviously asking what law they broke,and they get a bit stumped. Well if the arrests were lawful then the police have nothing to fear. If they were unlawful then the Four people arrested may have a legal remedy. Perhaps where there will be no legal remedy will be those officers, members of the public and innocent commuters who may be unwittingly infected with Covid, some of which may die. One crime I did see commited was a crime against common sense in the middle of a pandemic. Shame on them... It will certainly be interesting what the woman pinned down will be charged with. Don't be fooled Lionel. When I worked the doors I saw many a girl kick off and it taken three or four guys to safely restrain her. Those officers have to justify their use of force and prevent Injury to the lady, themselves and the public. Think of it as if they were acting in the Lionel of Duty How about considering the issue - policeman murders a woman he abducted. Women rightly are pretty pissed off here. Good police sense would be agree with the organisers a marshalled event. Bad policy is to go heavy handed and try to stop legal protest and then to double down by going in heavy handed. This was bad policing full stop." It was supposed to be a vigil.. Not a protest.. | |||
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"Put yourself in a police officers shoes...do you really want to be close to people giving no regard to social distancing.. I’d start by not Kettling them and then surrounding the bandstand where people were talking and laying flowers. These women wanted to pay respects and lay flowers, the police response was way over the top. Look at the pictures during the day time. It was a socially distanced event with people wearing masks, it was the police that turned it into a crush It was an unnoficial event...cancelled by it's organisers with rent a mob turning up uninvited to start trouble.. The Met had a perfect chance to do some common sense policing. They could have allowed it to be a Marshalled event, with staggered starts and separate places of focus. Clapham Common is fucking massive. But sure, blame the invisible rent a mob because you’re a bootlicker. We should seriously be looking at defunding the police I don't know if you missed it but the High Court deemed it illegal, perhaps you think the Met Police make the law, they don't. Just for clarity “High Court judge rules it is ‘inappropriate’ for him to intervene in police ban of Reclaim These Streets event”. It wasnot deemed illegal, it was suggested that the Met & Organisers reached an agreement as the High Court did not want to be involved. The Organisers could not get the Met to support a marshalled protest, so they withdrew. As people were already fed up, angry and feeling let down they met for a quiet protest. Strangely the Police decided it was time to get violent. Against women. Dumbest thing they’ve done for years - egged on by Ptitti Patel demonising anyone who disagrees with the Govt. The constant justification yesterday was that they were breaking the law. Obviously asking what law they broke,and they get a bit stumped. Well if the arrests were lawful then the police have nothing to fear. If they were unlawful then the Four people arrested may have a legal remedy. Perhaps where there will be no legal remedy will be those officers, members of the public and innocent commuters who may be unwittingly infected with Covid, some of which may die. One crime I did see commited was a crime against common sense in the middle of a pandemic. Shame on them... It will certainly be interesting what the woman pinned down will be charged with. Don't be fooled Lionel. When I worked the doors I saw many a girl kick off and it taken three or four guys to safely restrain her. Those officers have to justify their use of force and prevent Injury to the lady, themselves and the public. Think of it as if they were acting in the Lionel of Duty How about considering the issue - policeman murders a woman he abducted. Women rightly are pretty pissed off here. Good police sense would be agree with the organisers a marshalled event. Bad policy is to go heavy handed and try to stop legal protest and then to double down by going in heavy handed. This was bad policing full stop. It was supposed to be a vigil.. Not a protest.." There is now footage of anti-lockdown protestors at the vigil, again in confrontation with the police. It appears that the trouble started when the police asked the "Sisters Uncut" group that had occupied the bandstand, not make speeches and to leave the bandstand. | |||
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"Additionally the video of the girl arguing with the police,who people are claiming is the girl who was pinned to the ground,are unsurprisingly incorrect Its 2 different girls." No shit Sherlock! | |||
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"Well whoopee doo. It goes back to my original point.. No social distancing.. selfish fuckers... No care about who dies from Covid " & you don’t seem to care about women or that one was brutally murdered by a serving Met Police Officer - misogynist. | |||
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"And prancing around Clapham Common in a pandemic helps in what way... Pathetic " Well hopefully you stayed on your keyboard away from anyone else. More women have died from male violence than in the pandemic. Think about is for once. | |||
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"And prancing around Clapham Common in a pandemic helps in what way... Pathetic Well hopefully you stayed on your keyboard away from anyone else. More women have died from male violence than in the pandemic. Think about is for once." Really ? Not true... More men get mudered than women in the uk actually.. Revisit your fingers...over 100,000 from covid, less than 200 murdered .. | |||
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"And prancing around Clapham Common in a pandemic helps in what way... Pathetic Well hopefully you stayed on your keyboard away from anyone else. More women have died from male violence than in the pandemic. Think about is for once." If everyone stayed on their keyboard then fewer would die of Covid .. or.. don't tell me...it's a hoax | |||
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"And prancing around Clapham Common in a pandemic helps in what way... Pathetic Well hopefully you stayed on your keyboard away from anyone else. More women have died from male violence than in the pandemic. Think about is for once. Really ? Not true... More men get mudered than women in the uk actually.. Revisit your fingers...over 100,000 from covid, less than 200 murdered .. " I hope you don’t read everything like you did my last post... Try reading it again, maybe a bit more slowly or I could try again with smaller words | |||
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"And prancing around Clapham Common in a pandemic helps in what way... Pathetic Well hopefully you stayed on your keyboard away from anyone else. More women have died from male violence than in the pandemic. Think about is for once. Really ? Not true... More men get mudered than women in the uk actually.. Revisit your fingers...over 100,000 from covid, less than 200 murdered .. I hope you don’t read everything like you did my last post... Try reading it again, maybe a bit more slowly or I could try again with smaller words "Please do.. please explain | |||
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"And prancing around Clapham Common in a pandemic helps in what way... Pathetic Well hopefully you stayed on your keyboard away from anyone else. More women have died from male violence than in the pandemic. Think about is for once. Really ? Not true... More men get mudered than women in the uk actually.. Revisit your fingers...over 100,000 from covid, less than 200 murdered .. I hope you don’t read everything like you did my last post... Try reading it again, maybe a bit more slowly or I could try again with smaller words
Please do.. please explain "More women have died from male violence than in the pandemic - i.e. men are a bigger danger to women than Covid, think about it | |||
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"And prancing around Clapham Common in a pandemic helps in what way... Pathetic Well hopefully you stayed on your keyboard away from anyone else. More women have died from male violence than in the pandemic. Think about is for once. Really ? Not true... More men get mudered than women in the uk actually.. Revisit your fingers...over 100,000 from covid, less than 200 murdered .. I hope you don’t read everything like you did my last post... Try reading it again, maybe a bit more slowly or I could try again with smaller words
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More women have died from male violence than in the pandemic - i.e. men are a bigger danger to women than Covid, think about it "Please help me understand.. How many women do you think died from Covid and how many women killed by men in the last 12 months.. ? Please supply your figures | |||
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"The silence is deafening.. More murdered than perished by Covid.. Now I am no mathematician but you have more chance of dying from Covid than being murdered .. " Are you really as stupid as you are coming over? Throughout history men have murdered women in great numbers. Part of the reason we are pissed at the moment is yet again we get misogynistic responses from keyboard warriors. Stop being one and think about it from a womans perspective if you can. | |||
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"The silence is deafening.. More murdered than perished by Covid.. Now I am no mathematician but you have more chance of dying from Covid than being murdered .. Are you really as stupid as you are coming over? Throughout history men have murdered women in great numbers. Part of the reason we are pissed at the moment is yet again we get misogynistic responses from keyboard warriors. Stop being one and think about it from a womans perspective if you can." & nobody said 12 months other than you... | |||
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"So about 120,000 people have died from Covid in the last year or so. Possibly 60,000 were women. In the last year how many were murdered? 200 ?. " Again, you bring up 12 months - this is about society and the way men have treated women forever. Whilst Sarah’s desth in and of itself was awful and appalling, much of the anger you are seeing is because it could have been any one of us. We get catcalls & wolf whistles, we get groped and leered at, we get assaulted, we get rap*d and we get murdered. It isn’t women that do this to us... | |||
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"In 2020 about 200 women were murdered. In the same period about 800 + men were murdered. " By men... | |||
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"So about 120,000 people have died from Covid in the last year or so. Possibly 60,000 were women. In the last year how many were murdered? 200 ?. Again, you bring up 12 months - this is about society and the way men have treated women forever. Whilst Sarah’s desth in and of itself was awful and appalling, much of the anger you are seeing is because it could have been any one of us. We get catcalls & wolf whistles, we get groped and leered at, we get assaulted, we get rap*d and we get murdered. It isn’t women that do this to us..." And men do it to other men and female murderers don't exist.. Tar all men with the same brush.. Misandry | |||
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