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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. " ? I thought they had put a temp pause on the AZ vaccine in Denmark? And a few other places ? I’m not pro EU btw just saying  | |||
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"France has 900000 does of AZ vaccine, that the Goverment doesn't want to release. Something of a blame game going on there. " I do think so! After all have the U.K. had any blood clot problems ? It was said that it was connected to one batch of a million doses “I could be wrong” And we don’t know how that batch was shipped or stored until it’s investigated and we do know that there has been at least one case of deliberate spoiling that was caught before it got administered. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. " Fantasy forum, second on the left. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Fantasy forum, second on the left." It's no fantasy though is it. Its happening now and France, Germany, Italy now have higher daily death rates (2-300) than us as a result. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Fantasy forum, second on the left." Need a sub fantasies forum for people who get off on fiction based in the city of Brussels. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Fantasy forum, second on the left. It's no fantasy though is it. Its happening now and France, Germany, Italy now have higher daily death rates (2-300) than us as a result. " I thought we were not comparing ourselves to other countries? | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Fantasy forum, second on the left. Need a sub fantasies forum for people who get off on fiction based in the city of Brussels." You're unable to say what's not true though? | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Fantasy forum, second on the left. It's no fantasy though is it. Its happening now and France, Germany, Italy now have higher daily death rates (2-300) than us as a result. I thought we were not comparing ourselves to other countries?" I've certainly never said that. The comparisons with other countries are very important but won't be that meaningful until the scientists have done a lot more work understanding all the risk factors, whether lockdown is worthwhile etc etc. What we can comment on is petty bureaucracy and nationalism that is plainly having a disastrous effect on the citizens of Brussels. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Fantasy forum, second on the left. Need a sub fantasies forum for people who get off on fiction based in the city of Brussels. You're unable to say what's not true though? " I assume it's all not true. Every day you post a new thread explaining how confused you are about "Brussels". At best these threads based on half truths and misunderstandings. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Fantasy forum, second on the left. Need a sub fantasies forum for people who get off on fiction based in the city of Brussels. You're unable to say what's not true though? I assume it's all not true. Every day you post a new thread explaining how confused you are about "Brussels". At best these threads based on half truths and misunderstandings. " I've never been remotely confused about Brussels it's always been crystal clear to me what it's about. I'm a bit of a specialist in this area. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Fantasy forum, second on the left. It's no fantasy though is it. Its happening now and France, Germany, Italy now have higher daily death rates (2-300) than us as a result. I thought we were not comparing ourselves to other countries? I've certainly never said that. The comparisons with other countries are very important but won't be that meaningful until the scientists have done a lot more work understanding all the risk factors, whether lockdown is worthwhile etc etc. What we can comment on is petty bureaucracy and nationalism that is plainly having a disastrous effect on the citizens of Brussels. " Here's some information rates for the citizens of Brussels in Belgium. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102400/coronavirus-cases-in-belgium-by-region/ | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Fantasy forum, second on the left. Need a sub fantasies forum for people who get off on fiction based in the city of Brussels. You're unable to say what's not true though? I assume it's all not true. Every day you post a new thread explaining how confused you are about "Brussels". At best these threads based on half truths and misunderstandings. I've never been remotely confused about Brussels it's always been crystal clear to me what it's about. I'm a bit of a specialist in this area. " 
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"France has 900000 does of AZ vaccine, that the Goverment doesn't want to release. Something of a blame game going on there. I do think so! After all have the U.K. had any blood clot problems ? It was said that it was connected to one batch of a million doses “I could be wrong” And we don’t know how that batch was shipped or stored until it’s investigated and we do know that there has been at least one case of deliberate spoiling that was caught before it got administered. " Its not to do with that. More of trying to push Pharmacies instead of Doctors to do the vaccinations. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Fantasy forum, second on the left. It's no fantasy though is it. Its happening now and France, Germany, Italy now have higher daily death rates (2-300) than us as a result. I thought we were not comparing ourselves to other countries? I've certainly never said that. The comparisons with other countries are very important but won't be that meaningful until the scientists have done a lot more work understanding all the risk factors, whether lockdown is worthwhile etc etc. What we can comment on is petty bureaucracy and nationalism that is plainly having a disastrous effect on the citizens of Brussels. Here's some information rates for the citizens of Brussels in Belgium. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102400/coronavirus-cases-in-belgium-by-region/" Thanks I'm referring to all 600 million citizens who are ruled by Brussels | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. " Egoism always works against you in the long run. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Fantasy forum, second on the left. It's no fantasy though is it. Its happening now and France, Germany, Italy now have higher daily death rates (2-300) than us as a result. I thought we were not comparing ourselves to other countries? I've certainly never said that. The comparisons with other countries are very important but won't be that meaningful until the scientists have done a lot more work understanding all the risk factors, whether lockdown is worthwhile etc etc. What we can comment on is petty bureaucracy and nationalism that is plainly having a disastrous effect on the citizens of Brussels. Here's some information rates for the citizens of Brussels in Belgium. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102400/coronavirus-cases-in-belgium-by-region/ Thanks I'm referring to all 600 million citizens who are ruled by Brussels " Ah I see. Back to stories and fantasies. Wrong forum section. | |||
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"Brussels on its knees? Not yet but to be fair it hasn't covered itself in glory on this one. However the main thing you miss in the UK is the real reason for all these shenanigans. Brussels has screwed up big time and they know it. Now it's all about deflecting blame. They really don't give a shit about anything that is written in the UK press. The average German, Frenchman Etc will never read it. It's all about controlling the narrative here on the continent. With only one or two exceptions the German media (especially broadcast media) are much more subservient to Brussels and will headline whichever story suits their narrative. At the moment it's British bad, Astra Zenica bad. Fucking the EU by hoarding and refusing to export vaccines. The fact that it is completely untrue is never mentioned. Also never mentioned is that the real reason for the fuck up was the bickering between Germany and France over how many of the German/American Pfizer BoiNTech and the French Sanofi vaccines should be ordered. French pride won the day resulting in the EU disastrously ordering roughly equal amounts of both. Irrespective of the fact that the Sanofi vaccine was way behind Pfizer and would never have been ready in time. As it turned out the Sanofi one was a disaster and is still many months away from readiness, if ever at all. Does your average German know that? Not a hope in hell, the vast majority here have never heard of Sanofi. But they all know Britain bad, Astra Zenica bad. Oh! and those pesky Aussies trying to nick our jabs." Really interesting to read how things are being portrayed by the media on the continent from someone who is on the ground out there. | |||
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"Brussels on its knees? Not yet but to be fair it hasn't covered itself in glory on this one. However the main thing you miss in the UK is the real reason for all these shenanigans. Brussels has screwed up big time and they know it. Now it's all about deflecting blame. They really don't give a shit about anything that is written in the UK press. The average German, Frenchman Etc will never read it. It's all about controlling the narrative here on the continent. With only one or two exceptions the German media (especially broadcast media) are much more subservient to Brussels and will headline whichever story suits their narrative. At the moment it's British bad, Astra Zenica bad. Fucking the EU by hoarding and refusing to export vaccines. The fact that it is completely untrue is never mentioned. Also never mentioned is that the real reason for the fuck up was the bickering between Germany and France over how many of the German/American Pfizer BoiNTech and the French Sanofi vaccines should be ordered. French pride won the day resulting in the EU disastrously ordering roughly equal amounts of both. Irrespective of the fact that the Sanofi vaccine was way behind Pfizer and would never have been ready in time. As it turned out the Sanofi one was a disaster and is still many months away from readiness, if ever at all. Does your average German know that? Not a hope in hell, the vast majority here have never heard of Sanofi. But they all know Britain bad, Astra Zenica bad. Oh! and those pesky Aussies trying to nick our jabs. Really interesting to read how things are being portrayed by the media on the continent from someone who is on the ground out there." | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. " Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel Another gem
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Fantasy forum is second on the leftIs this a new catch phase you are working on? "Seems to be, hasn't got a laugh yet though. | |||
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"Interesting perspective as always... The EU Population is 448m people and they have had 562,000 deaths. The UK Population is 67m people and we have had 125,000 deaths (official) If our death rate was the same as the EU’s, we would have more than 40,000 people alive now...! If the EU are doing badly, then how rubbish is our Govt? I’m tempted to mention S Korea, but ‘apparently’ they are more maleable than Brits, so their 2,000 deaths and 52m are not comparable "We've done crap, clearly, never said otherwise. And in due course the scientists will tell us whether that was mainly government failings or the inability of so many of our population to follow the fucking rules. Doesn't change the avoidable scandal of petty Brussels based nationalism which is now leading to a higher death rate than us. | |||
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Fantasy forum is second on the leftIs this a new catch phase you are working on? "just helping a fellow poster out who may be befuddled | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel Another gem
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Fantasy forum is second on the leftIs this a new catch phase you are working on?
just helping a fellow poster out who may be befuddled"Seen it on a couple of posts now and doesnt make sense or add anything to the debate so came to the conclusion you were attention seeking. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel Another gem
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Fantasy forum is second on the leftIs this a new catch phase you are working on?
just helping a fellow poster out who may be befuddledSeen it on a couple of posts now and doesnt make sense or add anything to the debate so came to the conclusion you were attention seeking."think you are confusing me with someone else | |||
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"There was a very informative post further up that was posted by someone actually on the ground so to speak in Germany, but most people just seemed to have ignored it and carried on with the fantasy section bollocks. Its seems impossible to have a reasonable ADULT debate nowadays on this forum unfortunately." There was indeed, but it's the sort of thing that makes remainers heads spin, so they'd rather not engage. | |||
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"Brussels on its knees? Not yet but to be fair it hasn't covered itself in glory on this one. However the main thing you miss in the UK is the real reason for all these shenanigans. Brussels has screwed up big time and they know it. Now it's all about deflecting blame. They really don't give a shit about anything that is written in the UK press. The average German, Frenchman Etc will never read it. It's all about controlling the narrative here on the continent. With only one or two exceptions the German media (especially broadcast media) are much more subservient to Brussels and will headline whichever story suits their narrative. At the moment it's British bad, Astra Zenica bad. Fucking the EU by hoarding and refusing to export vaccines. The fact that it is completely untrue is never mentioned. Also never mentioned is that the real reason for the fuck up was the bickering between Germany and France over how many of the German/American Pfizer BoiNTech and the French Sanofi vaccines should be ordered. French pride won the day resulting in the EU disastrously ordering roughly equal amounts of both. Irrespective of the fact that the Sanofi vaccine was way behind Pfizer and would never have been ready in time. As it turned out the Sanofi one was a disaster and is still many months away from readiness, if ever at all. Does your average German know that? Not a hope in hell, the vast majority here have never heard of Sanofi. But they all know Britain bad, Astra Zenica bad. Oh! and those pesky Aussies trying to nick our jabs." Don’t want to be pedantic but my Astra Zeneca jab came from the Netherlands I might be wrong but I think they are still in the EU! | |||
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"Brussels on its knees? Not yet but to be fair it hasn't covered itself in glory on this one. However the main thing you miss in the UK is the real reason for all these shenanigans. Brussels has screwed up big time and they know it. Now it's all about deflecting blame. They really don't give a shit about anything that is written in the UK press. The average German, Frenchman Etc will never read it. It's all about controlling the narrative here on the continent. With only one or two exceptions the German media (especially broadcast media) are much more subservient to Brussels and will headline whichever story suits their narrative. At the moment it's British bad, Astra Zenica bad. Fucking the EU by hoarding and refusing to export vaccines. The fact that it is completely untrue is never mentioned. Also never mentioned is that the real reason for the fuck up was the bickering between Germany and France over how many of the German/American Pfizer BoiNTech and the French Sanofi vaccines should be ordered. French pride won the day resulting in the EU disastrously ordering roughly equal amounts of both. Irrespective of the fact that the Sanofi vaccine was way behind Pfizer and would never have been ready in time. As it turned out the Sanofi one was a disaster and is still many months away from readiness, if ever at all. Does your average German know that? Not a hope in hell, the vast majority here have never heard of Sanofi. But they all know Britain bad, Astra Zenica bad. Oh! and those pesky Aussies trying to nick our jabs. Don’t want to be pedantic but my Astra Zeneca jab came from the Netherlands I might be wrong but I think they are still in the EU! " did they tell you that when you had it? | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel Another gem
I intend to make them grovel "That is the one thing that will never happen. The EU just doesn't do grovelling. What they will do is move heaven and earth to keep their federalist dream alive. Irrespective of how many lives are ruined/lost or how many businesses go to the wall. When they fuck up (which they regularly do) they will cover their own arses and blame anyone and anything except themselves (as we have seen in the last few weeks) Onward to the united states of Europe and fuck anyone who gets in our way. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel Another gem
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That is the one thing that will never happen. The EU just doesn't do grovelling.
What they will do is move heaven and earth to keep their federalist dream alive. Irrespective of how many lives are ruined/lost or how many businesses go to the wall.
When they fuck up (which they regularly do) they will cover their own arses and blame anyone and anything except themselves (as we have seen in the last few weeks)
Onward to the united states of Europe and fuck anyone who gets in our way."Blaming everyone for their failings you say...scratches chin | |||
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"You would think the people of Belgium itself would be happy to have any vaccine given to them considering they have a higher per capita death rate than the uk which you never hear the press mention " I've heard it mentioned plenty of times. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel Another gem
I intend to make them grovel
That is the one thing that will never happen. The EU just doesn't do grovelling.
What they will do is move heaven and earth to keep their federalist dream alive. Irrespective of how many lives are ruined/lost or how many businesses go to the wall.
When they fuck up (which they regularly do) they will cover their own arses and blame anyone and anything except themselves (as we have seen in the last few weeks)
Onward to the united states of Europe and fuck anyone who gets in our way.
Blaming everyone for their failings you say...scratches chin"So you must have missed them blaming AZ for not delivering vaccines that the EU was late in ordering. You must have missed them (only last week) blaming Britain for banning vaccine exports, which was completely untrue. Oh! And while they were blaming Britain for "acting illegally" they were actually doing the same to Australia. You must have missed them (unfairly) rubbishing the AZ vaccine to justify their cock up in ordering too little too late. Keep scratching that chin, maybe it will jog your memory. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel Another gem
I intend to make them grovel "Luckly you have zero power. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel Another gem
I intend to make them grovel
That is the one thing that will never happen. The EU just doesn't do grovelling.
What they will do is move heaven and earth to keep their federalist dream alive. Irrespective of how many lives are ruined/lost or how many businesses go to the wall.
When they fuck up (which they regularly do) they will cover their own arses and blame anyone and anything except themselves (as we have seen in the last few weeks)
Onward to the united states of Europe and fuck anyone who gets in our way.
Blaming everyone for their failings you say...scratches chin
So you must have missed them blaming AZ for not delivering vaccines that the EU was late in ordering.
You must have missed them (only last week) blaming Britain for banning vaccine exports, which was completely untrue. Oh! And while they were blaming Britain for "acting illegally" they were actually doing the same to Australia.
You must have missed them (unfairly) rubbishing the AZ vaccine to justify their cock up in ordering too little too late.
Keep scratching that chin, maybe it will jog your memory."Yep Thank god swerving accountability only happens in the eu | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel Another gem
I intend to make them grovel
That is the one thing that will never happen. The EU just doesn't do grovelling.
What they will do is move heaven and earth to keep their federalist dream alive. Irrespective of how many lives are ruined/lost or how many businesses go to the wall.
When they fuck up (which they regularly do) they will cover their own arses and blame anyone and anything except themselves (as we have seen in the last few weeks)
Onward to the united states of Europe and fuck anyone who gets in our way."What you say about 40% drop of exports to EU? Is that EU fault as well? | |||
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Luckly you have zero power. "I'm quoting European customers today and I've put their prices up. Cos I can. | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel Another gem
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That is the one thing that will never happen. The EU just doesn't do grovelling.
What they will do is move heaven and earth to keep their federalist dream alive. Irrespective of how many lives are ruined/lost or how many businesses go to the wall.
When they fuck up (which they regularly do) they will cover their own arses and blame anyone and anything except themselves (as we have seen in the last few weeks)
Onward to the united states of Europe and fuck anyone who gets in our way.
What you say about 40% drop of exports to EU? Is that EU fault as well? "That is a result of stockpiling and weak European economies. The unnecessary stockpiling occurred because of all the shrieking remainers hysteria over the past five years. | |||
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"Brussels on its knees? Not yet but to be fair it hasn't covered itself in glory on this one. However the main thing you miss in the UK is the real reason for all these shenanigans. Brussels has screwed up big time and they know it. Now it's all about deflecting blame. They really don't give a shit about anything that is written in the UK press. The average German, Frenchman Etc will never read it. It's all about controlling the narrative here on the continent. With only one or two exceptions the German media (especially broadcast media) are much more subservient to Brussels and will headline whichever story suits their narrative. At the moment it's British bad, Astra Zenica bad. Fucking the EU by hoarding and refusing to export vaccines. The fact that it is completely untrue is never mentioned. Also never mentioned is that the real reason for the fuck up was the bickering between Germany and France over how many of the German/American Pfizer BoiNTech and the French Sanofi vaccines should be ordered. French pride won the day resulting in the EU disastrously ordering roughly equal amounts of both. Irrespective of the fact that the Sanofi vaccine was way behind Pfizer and would never have been ready in time. As it turned out the Sanofi one was a disaster and is still many months away from readiness, if ever at all. Does your average German know that? Not a hope in hell, the vast majority here have never heard of Sanofi. But they all know Britain bad, Astra Zenica bad. Oh! and those pesky Aussies trying to nick our jabs. Don’t want to be pedantic but my Astra Zeneca jab came from the Netherlands I might be wrong but I think they are still in the EU! did they tell you that when you had it?" I was last of the day and the elderly retired doctor chatted about it but it was also on my notes given as advice on side effects etc. Check your own notes when you have it. It’s clearly there. In highlighter pen too!! | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel Another gem
I intend to make them grovel
That is the one thing that will never happen. The EU just doesn't do grovelling.
What they will do is move heaven and earth to keep their federalist dream alive. Irrespective of how many lives are ruined/lost or how many businesses go to the wall.
When they fuck up (which they regularly do) they will cover their own arses and blame anyone and anything except themselves (as we have seen in the last few weeks)
Onward to the united states of Europe and fuck anyone who gets in our way.
What you say about 40% drop of exports to EU? Is that EU fault as well?
That is a result of stockpiling and weak European economies.
The unnecessary stockpiling occurred because of all the shrieking remainers hysteria over the past five years."The stockpiling occurred because they knew Gove and crew weren’t ready. There was and is no IT in place. That’s a big no no for business. | |||
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"Brussels on its knees? Not yet but to be fair it hasn't covered itself in glory on this one. However the main thing you miss in the UK is the real reason for all these shenanigans. Brussels has screwed up big time and they know it. Now it's all about deflecting blame. They really don't give a shit about anything that is written in the UK press. The average German, Frenchman Etc will never read it. It's all about controlling the narrative here on the continent. With only one or two exceptions the German media (especially broadcast media) are much more subservient to Brussels and will headline whichever story suits their narrative. At the moment it's British bad, Astra Zenica bad. Fucking the EU by hoarding and refusing to export vaccines. The fact that it is completely untrue is never mentioned. Also never mentioned is that the real reason for the fuck up was the bickering between Germany and France over how many of the German/American Pfizer BoiNTech and the French Sanofi vaccines should be ordered. French pride won the day resulting in the EU disastrously ordering roughly equal amounts of both. Irrespective of the fact that the Sanofi vaccine was way behind Pfizer and would never have been ready in time. As it turned out the Sanofi one was a disaster and is still many months away from readiness, if ever at all. Does your average German know that? Not a hope in hell, the vast majority here have never heard of Sanofi. But they all know Britain bad, Astra Zenica bad. Oh! and those pesky Aussies trying to nick our jabs. Don’t want to be pedantic but my Astra Zeneca jab came from the Netherlands I might be wrong but I think they are still in the EU! did they tell you that when you had it? I was last of the day and the elderly retired doctor chatted about it but it was also on my notes given as advice on side effects etc. Check your own notes when you have it. It’s clearly there. In highlighter pen too!! " suprosed at you jakal taking the jab lol | |||
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"Interesting perspective as always... The EU Population is 448m people and they have had 562,000 deaths. The UK Population is 67m people and we have had 125,000 deaths (official) If our death rate was the same as the EU’s, we would have more than 40,000 people alive now...! If the EU are doing badly, then how rubbish is our Govt? I’m tempted to mention S Korea, but ‘apparently’ they are more maleable than Brits, so their 2,000 deaths and 52m are not comparable
We've done crap, clearly, never said otherwise. And in due course the scientists will tell us whether that was mainly government failings or the inability of so many of our population to follow the fucking rules.
Doesn't change the avoidable scandal of petty Brussels based nationalism which is now leading to a higher death rate than us.
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel"  | |||
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"Brussels on its knees? Not yet but to be fair it hasn't covered itself in glory on this one. However the main thing you miss in the UK is the real reason for all these shenanigans. Brussels has screwed up big time and they know it. Now it's all about deflecting blame. They really don't give a shit about anything that is written in the UK press. The average German, Frenchman Etc will never read it. It's all about controlling the narrative here on the continent. With only one or two exceptions the German media (especially broadcast media) are much more subservient to Brussels and will headline whichever story suits their narrative. At the moment it's British bad, Astra Zenica bad. Fucking the EU by hoarding and refusing to export vaccines. The fact that it is completely untrue is never mentioned. Also never mentioned is that the real reason for the fuck up was the bickering between Germany and France over how many of the German/American Pfizer BoiNTech and the French Sanofi vaccines should be ordered. French pride won the day resulting in the EU disastrously ordering roughly equal amounts of both. Irrespective of the fact that the Sanofi vaccine was way behind Pfizer and would never have been ready in time. As it turned out the Sanofi one was a disaster and is still many months away from readiness, if ever at all. Does your average German know that? Not a hope in hell, the vast majority here have never heard of Sanofi. But they all know Britain bad, Astra Zenica bad. Oh! and those pesky Aussies trying to nick our jabs. Don’t want to be pedantic but my Astra Zeneca jab came from the Netherlands I might be wrong but I think they are still in the EU! did they tell you that when you had it? I was last of the day and the elderly retired doctor chatted about it but it was also on my notes given as advice on side effects etc. Check your own notes when you have it. It’s clearly there. In highlighter pen too!! suprosed at you jakal taking the jab lol" Why?? | |||
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"macron was crawling round my floor naked earlier, saying, please please little trampy, thats what he calls me, can i have the jab, i poked him in the ribs and said, thats the only jab youll be getting today!you french fuck and then i laughed. Is that a bit racist bringing his nationality into it? i wasnt sure so i slapped his butt, hes a kinky fuck "Do you have a bet going with Capt Lobster? | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel Another gem
I intend to make them grovel
Luckly you have zero power.
I'm quoting European customers today and I've put their prices up. Cos I can. "Are your customers British expats buying Cadbury and cheddar, just asking ?  | |||
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"There was a very informative post further up that was posted by someone actually on the ground so to speak in Germany, but most people just seemed to have ignored it and carried on with the fantasy section bollocks. Its seems impossible to have a reasonable ADULT debate nowadays on this forum unfortunately." what do you expect, the place is full of cocks | |||
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"Begging us for vaccine. Ursula, Macron, Merkel, Denmark, Sweden all specifically slagged otrff the Oxford Astrazenica vaccine and are all now begging for supplies. The little Brussels Exceptionalism attitudes run deep over there sadly. Time to pressure the buggers over trade lets make them grovel Another gem
I intend to make them grovel
Luckly you have zero power.
I'm quoting European customers today and I've put their prices up. Cos I can. "Never happened | |||
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"macron was crawling round my floor naked earlier, saying, please please little trampy, thats what he calls me, can i have the jab, i poked him in the ribs and said, thats the only jab youll be getting today!you french fuck and then i laughed. Is that a bit racist bringing his nationality into it? i wasnt sure so i slapped his butt, hes a kinky fuck
Do you have a bet going with Capt Lobster?"come on Skysurfer even you must have a sense of humour x Well it made us smile on a cold grey wet Saturday morning, so thanks Dirtylittletramp x | |||
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"Brussels on its knees? Not yet but to be fair it hasn't covered itself in glory on this one. However the main thing you miss in the UK is the real reason for all these shenanigans. Brussels has screwed up big time and they know it. Now it's all about deflecting blame. They really don't give a shit about anything that is written in the UK press. The average German, Frenchman Etc will never read it. It's all about controlling the narrative here on the continent. With only one or two exceptions the German media (especially broadcast media) are much more subservient to Brussels and will headline whichever story suits their narrative. At the moment it's British bad, Astra Zenica bad. Fucking the EU by hoarding and refusing to export vaccines. The fact that it is completely untrue is never mentioned. Also never mentioned is that the real reason for the fuck up was the bickering between Germany and France over how many of the German/American Pfizer BoiNTech and the French Sanofi vaccines should be ordered. French pride won the day resulting in the EU disastrously ordering roughly equal amounts of both. Irrespective of the fact that the Sanofi vaccine was way behind Pfizer and would never have been ready in time. As it turned out the Sanofi one was a disaster and is still many months away from readiness, if ever at all. Does your average German know that? Not a hope in hell, the vast majority here have never heard of Sanofi. But they all know Britain bad, Astra Zenica bad. Oh! and those pesky Aussies trying to nick our jabs. Don’t want to be pedantic but my Astra Zeneca jab came from the Netherlands I might be wrong but I think they are still in the EU! " Meaning what exactly? | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought "So how do you work that one out? i interested. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought "I think the eu strategy has been botched from the start. It's been handled badly from day 1. The glee with brexiteers jump on this is quite sickening to be honest (see we told you so) In the uk the vaccine roll out has been a success but the previous 12 months have been borderline criminal. There has been much talk here of the lpool v atheletico match which the gmnt allowed to go ahead, which led directly to people dying. There are countless other examples. Yet it will be a cold day on hell before their fan club accept an iota of responsibility. | |||
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"Brussels on its knees? Not yet but to be fair it hasn't covered itself in glory on this one. However the main thing you miss in the UK is the real reason for all these shenanigans. Brussels has screwed up big time and they know it. Now it's all about deflecting blame. They really don't give a shit about anything that is written in the UK press. The average German, Frenchman Etc will never read it. It's all about controlling the narrative here on the continent. With only one or two exceptions the German media (especially broadcast media) are much more subservient to Brussels and will headline whichever story suits their narrative. At the moment it's British bad, Astra Zenica bad. Fucking the EU by hoarding and refusing to export vaccines. The fact that it is completely untrue is never mentioned. Also never mentioned is that the real reason for the fuck up was the bickering between Germany and France over how many of the German/American Pfizer BoiNTech and the French Sanofi vaccines should be ordered. French pride won the day resulting in the EU disastrously ordering roughly equal amounts of both. Irrespective of the fact that the Sanofi vaccine was way behind Pfizer and would never have been ready in time. As it turned out the Sanofi one was a disaster and is still many months away from readiness, if ever at all. Does your average German know that? Not a hope in hell, the vast majority here have never heard of Sanofi. But they all know Britain bad, Astra Zenica bad. Oh! and those pesky Aussies trying to nick our jabs. Don’t want to be pedantic but my Astra Zeneca jab came from the Netherlands I might be wrong but I think they are still in the EU! Meaning what exactly? " Responding to the above. Read line nine of the post. My response was to that. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought "One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower. Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
"Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth. "Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths". Fairly fucking harsh. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh."Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now. But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis. No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue."If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make! | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!"Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down. "Claptrap. The hatred is primarily from the leave side. Evidence, look at the title of this thread. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
Claptrap. The hatred is primarily from the leave side.
Evidence, look at the title of this thread.
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
Claptrap. The hatred is primarily from the leave side.
Evidence, look at the title of this thread.
"Said it before Asking for the gmnt to be actually accountable is now considered to be dangerously left wing these days. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down. "In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway. So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths". It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. "Its beyond parody When you point out we have one of the worst death rates in europe,you are scoring points. When, in the daily briefings,the gmnt used to compare our stats to other countires,it was to show well we see doing. It's pointless even trying to rational it. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. "How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures."There. You did it again. Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it. Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc. Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic."I don't think pointing to the data available is trying to 'shut down'. Although, if people refuse to look at and analyse the data whilst still shouting 'our government are terrible' then what other discussion is to be had? I've said it from the start but the best like for like comparison we can possibly hope for is excess deaths per capita. Whilst we haven't been great by any means, we certainly haven't been as poor as some would like to believe when you look at others figures. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic.
I don't think pointing to the data available is trying to 'shut down'.
Although, if people refuse to look at and analyse the data whilst still shouting 'our government are terrible' then what other discussion is to be had?
I've said it from the start but the best like for like comparison we can possibly hope for is excess deaths per capita. Whilst we haven't been great by any means, we certainly haven't been as poor as some would like to believe when you look at others figures."Pointing at the data isn't the part that's shutting people down. It's the accusing people of revelling in the death, that's shutting down any critisim. Is there a threshold for the number of dead people that we need to reach before we're allowed to question the governments approach? | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic."No its not, just because you dont have a credible counter argument is not my fault i am all for discussion and in no way trying to shut the debate down in fact the opposite. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought So how do you work that one out? i interested."Posted further up this thread, but just for you... “Interesting perspective as always... The EU Population is 448m people and they have had 562,000 deaths. The UK Population is 67m people and we have had 125,000 deaths (official) If our death rate was the same as the EU’s, we would have more than 40,000 people alive now...! If the EU are doing badly, then how rubbish is our Govt? I’m tempted to mention S Korea, but ‘apparently’ they are more maleable than Brits, so their 2,000 deaths and 52m are not comparable “ | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic.No its not, just because you dont have a credible counter argument is not my fault i am all for discussion and in no way trying to shut the debate down in fact the opposite."Okay, so let's try to carry on the debate. What are the number of covid related deaths that would cause you personally to consider questioning the governments policy on covid? And second question. How many billions £ given away, would it take for you to question the governments policy of handing their friends and neighbors wedges of public cash for brand new PPE companies that they just started up last week? | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic.
I don't think pointing to the data available is trying to 'shut down'.
Although, if people refuse to look at and analyse the data whilst still shouting 'our government are terrible' then what other discussion is to be had?
I've said it from the start but the best like for like comparison we can possibly hope for is excess deaths per capita. Whilst we haven't been great by any means, we certainly haven't been as poor as some would like to believe when you look at others figures."I dont think there is any argument that counting the figures can be problematic. My issue is the gmnt literally used to do this on a daily basis when it was ravaging through Europe. I remember countless claims on the virus forums of 'well at least we are not as bad as x' Then ,when things got bad hre,they suddenly decided to stop. Now,when you point out the death toll compared to other countires ,you are accused of being disrespectful. The hypocrisy is off the scale. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic.
I don't think pointing to the data available is trying to 'shut down'.
Although, if people refuse to look at and analyse the data whilst still shouting 'our government are terrible' then what other discussion is to be had?
I've said it from the start but the best like for like comparison we can possibly hope for is excess deaths per capita. Whilst we haven't been great by any means, we certainly haven't been as poor as some would like to believe when you look at others figures.
I dont think there is any argument that counting the figures can be problematic.
My issue is the gmnt literally used to do this on a daily basis when it was ravaging through Europe.
I remember countless claims on the virus forums of 'well at least we are not as bad as x'
Then ,when things got bad hre,they suddenly decided to stop.
Now,when you point out the death toll compared to other countires ,you are accused of being disrespectful.
The hypocrisy is off the scale."Shifting the conversation away from the governments handling of the pandemic, and onto the semantics of what would impact a couple of % either way in the death toll figures, is classic distraction tactics. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought So how do you work that one out? i interested.
Posted further up this thread, but just for you...
“Interesting perspective as always...
The EU Population is 448m people and they have had 562,000 deaths.
The UK Population is 67m people and we have had 125,000 deaths (official)
If our death rate was the same as the EU’s, we would have more than 40,000 people alive now...!
If the EU are doing badly, then how rubbish is our Govt?
I’m tempted to mention S Korea, but ‘apparently’ they are more maleable than Brits, so their 2,000 deaths and 52m are not comparable “"did you read anything about S korea and why their numbers are so low, would you like to discuss the reasons?.Yes that is very impressive you can do maths and oh so simple but does not give you a true figure on how well different governments have done does it.Have you for instance taken into account any of the following factors? the average age of the population, the % of bame ,the density of population,the uk variant in europe for example all these contribute to higher death rates.I look forward to your breakdown and results instead of the simplistic view you hold now. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic.
I don't think pointing to the data available is trying to 'shut down'.
Although, if people refuse to look at and analyse the data whilst still shouting 'our government are terrible' then what other discussion is to be had?
I've said it from the start but the best like for like comparison we can possibly hope for is excess deaths per capita. Whilst we haven't been great by any means, we certainly haven't been as poor as some would like to believe when you look at others figures.
I dont think there is any argument that counting the figures can be problematic.
My issue is the gmnt literally used to do this on a daily basis when it was ravaging through Europe.
I remember countless claims on the virus forums of 'well at least we are not as bad as x'
Then ,when things got bad hre,they suddenly decided to stop.
Now,when you point out the death toll compared to other countires ,you are accused of being disrespectful.
The hypocrisy is off the scale.
Shifting the conversation away from the governments handling of the pandemic, and onto the semantics of what would impact a couple of % either way in the death toll figures, is classic distraction tactics. "Tbf knowing we are not the worst in the world and are,in fact, 5th or 6th makes all the difference. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic.
I don't think pointing to the data available is trying to 'shut down'.
Although, if people refuse to look at and analyse the data whilst still shouting 'our government are terrible' then what other discussion is to be had?
I've said it from the start but the best like for like comparison we can possibly hope for is excess deaths per capita. Whilst we haven't been great by any means, we certainly haven't been as poor as some would like to believe when you look at others figures.
Pointing at the data isn't the part that's shutting people down. It's the accusing people of revelling in the death, that's shutting down any critisim.
Is there a threshold for the number of dead people that we need to reach before we're allowed to question the governments approach?
"Of course there isnt a hard and fast number. That would be crass at best. I don't know why the poster said that people are revelling in our figures but I can hazard a guess it's because of the refusal to look at the best data we have (imo) and compare it. If this isn't done whilst shouting 'our governement are terrible', then I can see why it would come across as that. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic.
I don't think pointing to the data available is trying to 'shut down'.
Although, if people refuse to look at and analyse the data whilst still shouting 'our government are terrible' then what other discussion is to be had?
I've said it from the start but the best like for like comparison we can possibly hope for is excess deaths per capita. Whilst we haven't been great by any means, we certainly haven't been as poor as some would like to believe when you look at others figures.
Pointing at the data isn't the part that's shutting people down. It's the accusing people of revelling in the death, that's shutting down any critisim.
Is there a threshold for the number of dead people that we need to reach before we're allowed to question the governments approach?
Of course there isnt a hard and fast number. That would be crass at best.
I don't know why the poster said that people are revelling in our figures but I can hazard a guess it's because of the refusal to look at the best data we have (imo) and compare it. If this isn't done whilst shouting 'our governement are terrible', then I can see why it would come across as that."Thanks at least you get what im saying. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic.
I don't think pointing to the data available is trying to 'shut down'.
Although, if people refuse to look at and analyse the data whilst still shouting 'our government are terrible' then what other discussion is to be had?
I've said it from the start but the best like for like comparison we can possibly hope for is excess deaths per capita. Whilst we haven't been great by any means, we certainly haven't been as poor as some would like to believe when you look at others figures.
Pointing at the data isn't the part that's shutting people down. It's the accusing people of revelling in the death, that's shutting down any critisim.
Is there a threshold for the number of dead people that we need to reach before we're allowed to question the governments approach?
Of course there isnt a hard and fast number. That would be crass at best.
I don't know why the poster said that people are revelling in our figures but I can hazard a guess it's because of the refusal to look at the best data we have (imo) and compare it. If this isn't done whilst shouting 'our governement are terrible', then I can see why it would come across as that.Thanks at least you get what im saying. "And I surmised that from one read. Can I have a gold star? | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic.
I don't think pointing to the data available is trying to 'shut down'.
Although, if people refuse to look at and analyse the data whilst still shouting 'our government are terrible' then what other discussion is to be had?
I've said it from the start but the best like for like comparison we can possibly hope for is excess deaths per capita. Whilst we haven't been great by any means, we certainly haven't been as poor as some would like to believe when you look at others figures.
Pointing at the data isn't the part that's shutting people down. It's the accusing people of revelling in the death, that's shutting down any critisim.
Is there a threshold for the number of dead people that we need to reach before we're allowed to question the governments approach?
Of course there isnt a hard and fast number. That would be crass at best.
I don't know why the poster said that people are revelling in our figures but I can hazard a guess it's because of the refusal to look at the best data we have (imo) and compare it. If this isn't done whilst shouting 'our governement are terrible', then I can see why it would come across as that."We all consider the data. Personally for me. Small changes in the way you count the deaths, doesn't absolve the government from critisim. | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic.
I don't think pointing to the data available is trying to 'shut down'.
Although, if people refuse to look at and analyse the data whilst still shouting 'our government are terrible' then what other discussion is to be had?
I've said it from the start but the best like for like comparison we can possibly hope for is excess deaths per capita. Whilst we haven't been great by any means, we certainly haven't been as poor as some would like to believe when you look at others figures.
Pointing at the data isn't the part that's shutting people down. It's the accusing people of revelling in the death, that's shutting down any critisim.
Is there a threshold for the number of dead people that we need to reach before we're allowed to question the governments approach?
Of course there isnt a hard and fast number. That would be crass at best.
I don't know why the poster said that people are revelling in our figures but I can hazard a guess it's because of the refusal to look at the best data we have (imo) and compare it. If this isn't done whilst shouting 'our governement are terrible', then I can see why it would come across as that.
We all consider the data.
Personally for me. Small changes in the way you count the deaths, doesn't absolve the government from critisim. "Do we? According to that data, it places the UK as 16th worst. Lionel said above instead of being worst, we are 5/6th. Can I take from that, that he didn't analyse the data? | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic.
I don't think pointing to the data available is trying to 'shut down'.
Although, if people refuse to look at and analyse the data whilst still shouting 'our government are terrible' then what other discussion is to be had?
I've said it from the start but the best like for like comparison we can possibly hope for is excess deaths per capita. Whilst we haven't been great by any means, we certainly haven't been as poor as some would like to believe when you look at others figures.
Pointing at the data isn't the part that's shutting people down. It's the accusing people of revelling in the death, that's shutting down any critisim.
Is there a threshold for the number of dead people that we need to reach before we're allowed to question the governments approach?
Of course there isnt a hard and fast number. That would be crass at best.
I don't know why the poster said that people are revelling in our figures but I can hazard a guess it's because of the refusal to look at the best data we have (imo) and compare it. If this isn't done whilst shouting 'our governement are terrible', then I can see why it would come across as that.
We all consider the data.
Personally for me. Small changes in the way you count the deaths, doesn't absolve the government from critisim. "Of course not all governments should be scrutinized whomever they are but people should take all the facts into consideration not just the ones that suit them.Take a look at the post above for a good example of how people like to skew the figures to suit their narrative and you might get an insight to where i am coming from. | |||
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This place is like a load of old woman at the bingo.
Lionel said this na na nah
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This place is like a load of old woman at the bingo.
Lionel said this na na nah
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought
One of the problems with this view is that Covid deaths are not counted in the same way. If the UK had counted Covid deaths in some of ‘their’ ways, our figures would have been substantially lower.
Some of the more ‘true’ figures can be seen at the below link, although most of the figures are only up to the end of December 2020. As you will see, a lot of countries have a substantial difference between the Covid deaths and the excess deaths, suggesting that the Covid deaths are understated and in some instances, vastly understated.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Dont tell them that, the government bashers who seem to revel in uk deaths wont like the truth.
Blimey, so we have to fall in line, stop critisims of the government policies or else were people who "revel in UK deaths".
Fairly fucking harsh.
Apparently we cant compare ourselves to other countries now.
But it was ok when boris used to do it on a daily basis.
No doubt if the figures rise in Europe again,it will be back in vogue.
If only you had the ability to read and understand the posts that others make!Seems that some cant the hatred is too imbedded and fail to see the facts when presented to them.They would rather claim you are just trying to shut them down.
In fairness. You do spend a lot of time here shutting down anyone who questions the government or brexit in anyway.
So much so that you just accused people who speak out about the appalling number of UK deaths, as people who "revel in the UK deaths".
It's a bizarre twist of logic. But I suppose if you're determined to defend the government no matter how many billions of public money they hand to their mates, no matter how many people die on their watch, no matter how much scientific advice they ignore, then you need to twist your thinking in this way. How do i try and shut them down exactly? is pointing out that different countries count the deaths in different ways shutting them down.No its a statement that is open for discussion yet no one wants to discuss it because it doesn't reflect what they believe,the only conclussion i can draw from that is they are reveling in the figures.
There. You did it again.
Your shutting it down by accusing people who speak up about the horrendous death rate of "revelling" in it.
Just to be clear. Even if we're up or down a few % here or there from some statistics wrangling. The death rate is still unacceptable. And the government have played their part by prioritising handing billions to their mates, faffing about ignoring scientific advice etc.
Failing to address these and other issues by distracting everyone with the "Mongolia count their deaths differently" is all part of the narrative to shut down any critisim of the governments reaction to the pandemic.
I don't think pointing to the data available is trying to 'shut down'.
Although, if people refuse to look at and analyse the data whilst still shouting 'our government are terrible' then what other discussion is to be had?
I've said it from the start but the best like for like comparison we can possibly hope for is excess deaths per capita. Whilst we haven't been great by any means, we certainly haven't been as poor as some would like to believe when you look at others figures.
Pointing at the data isn't the part that's shutting people down. It's the accusing people of revelling in the death, that's shutting down any critisim.
Is there a threshold for the number of dead people that we need to reach before we're allowed to question the governments approach?
Of course there isnt a hard and fast number. That would be crass at best.
I don't know why the poster said that people are revelling in our figures but I can hazard a guess it's because of the refusal to look at the best data we have (imo) and compare it. If this isn't done whilst shouting 'our governement are terrible', then I can see why it would come across as that.
We all consider the data.
Personally for me. Small changes in the way you count the deaths, doesn't absolve the government from critisim. Of course not all governments should be scrutinized whomever they are but people should take all the facts into consideration not just the ones that suit them.Take a look at the post above for a good example of how people like to skew the figures to suit their narrative and you might get an insight to where i am coming from. " | |||
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"The EU did not get its vaccine strategy right, neither did we, but ours is alot better. But, what the EU did get right is its approach to lockdown. If they had done it our way, they would have had 274,000 more deaths, if we had done it there way, we would have had 40,000 less deaths. A sobering thought So how do you work that one out? i interested.
Posted further up this thread, but just for you...
“Interesting perspective as always...
The EU Population is 448m people and they have had 562,000 deaths.
The UK Population is 67m people and we have had 125,000 deaths (official)
If our death rate was the same as the EU’s, we would have more than 40,000 people alive now...!
If the EU are doing badly, then how rubbish is our Govt?
I’m tempted to mention S Korea, but ‘apparently’ they are more maleable than Brits, so their 2,000 deaths and 52m are not comparable “did you read anything about S korea and why their numbers are so low, would you like to discuss the reasons?.Yes that is very impressive you can do maths and oh so simple but does not give you a true figure on how well different governments have done does it.Have you for instance taken into account any of the following factors? the average age of the population, the % of bame ,the density of population,the uk variant in europe for example all these contribute to higher death rates.I look forward to your breakdown and results instead of the simplistic view you hold now."As usual, when presented with facts all you can do is ignore them and try to put up a fog. Britain has done worse than the EU has on keeping deaths down. I’m not proud that I am right here, I’d much prefer it to have been different. But if you vote in fools, then you get these outcomes. | |||
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"While Europe dithers the uk is expecting to deliver 4 million jabs this week nearly double the recent weekly total. All due to 4 million shots which have arrived from India and passed tests.This could put the uk another 2 weeks ahead of schedule an amazing achievment. "Just when you thought Brussels couldn't do any worse they are now 1) Scaremongering about Oxford to deflect their utter failure 2) On their knees grovelling to Russia for Sputnik vaccine People are dying, all main European countries have a 7 day rolling average above 200 deaths and going up. So, so grim. | |||
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"macron has to say anything because he is neck and neck with le penn in polls and if she wins bye bye eu "She won’t win | |||
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"macron has to say anything because he is neck and neck with le penn in polls and if she wins bye bye eu
She won’t win "you know that or your guessing that? you must win a lot on the lottery with your all seeing eye lol | |||
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