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"Wages went up nearly everywhere in Europe, prices as well but wages quite stagnant in UK. At the moment minimum wages are pretty much the same in UK, France and Germany. However France has a shorter week, more holidays etc. , not sure about Germany. Plus there are more people close to the minimum wage in Uk than in other countries. Like it or not ,this country imports a lot, irrelevant where from. At the moment looks like every British is about 20-30% poorer than few years ago. We've been in Europe 44 years and look what it's done to our economy. Completely fucked over the lowest paid with wage compression due to the free movement of labour. Brexit starts to redress that balance and stop the race to the bottom we've seen. " uk goverment issues | |||
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"Wages went up nearly everywhere in Europe, prices as well but wages quite stagnant in UK. At the moment minimum wages are pretty much the same in UK, France and Germany. However France has a shorter week, more holidays etc. , not sure about Germany. Plus there are more people close to the minimum wage in Uk than in other countries. Like it or not ,this country imports a lot, irrelevant where from. At the moment looks like every British is about 20-30% poorer than few years ago. We've been in Europe 44 years and look what it's done to our economy. Completely fucked over the lowest paid with wage compression due to the free movement of labour. Brexit starts to redress that balance and stop the race to the bottom we've seen. "  | |||
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"Wages went up nearly everywhere in Europe, prices as well but wages quite stagnant in UK. At the moment minimum wages are pretty much the same in UK, France and Germany. However France has a shorter week, more holidays etc. , not sure about Germany. Plus there are more people close to the minimum wage in Uk than in other countries. Like it or not ,this country imports a lot, irrelevant where from. At the moment looks like every British is about 20-30% poorer than few years ago. We've been in Europe 44 years and look what it's done to our economy. Completely fucked over the lowest paid with wage compression due to the free movement of labour. Brexit starts to redress that balance and stop the race to the bottom we've seen. " So wages going up for people in the EU. While we're "stagnant". Bummer we're not part of the EU then. | |||
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"Wages went up nearly everywhere in Europe, prices as well but wages quite stagnant in UK. At the moment minimum wages are pretty much the same in UK, France and Germany. However France has a shorter week, more holidays etc. , not sure about Germany. Plus there are more people close to the minimum wage in Uk than in other countries. Like it or not ,this country imports a lot, irrelevant where from. At the moment looks like every British is about 20-30% poorer than few years ago. We've been in Europe 44 years and look what it's done to our economy. Completely fucked over the lowest paid with wage compression due to the free movement of labour. Brexit starts to redress that balance and stop the race to the bottom we've seen. " I think you forgot some quotation marks. | |||
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"I love it when people are so myopic that they don’t see how the quote they referenced completely eviscerates the point they think it makes. There are other words as well as myopic lol "OP is the king of self trolling threads that turn into excellent examples of what a terrible idea brexit was. | |||
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"Wages went up nearly everywhere in Europe, prices as well but wages quite stagnant in UK. At the moment minimum wages are pretty much the same in UK, France and Germany. However France has a shorter week, more holidays etc. , not sure about Germany. Plus there are more people close to the minimum wage in Uk than in other countries. Like it or not ,this country imports a lot, irrelevant where from. At the moment looks like every British is about 20-30% poorer than few years ago. We've been in Europe 44 years and look what it's done to our economy. Completely fucked over the lowest paid with wage compression due to the free movement of labour. Brexit starts to redress that balance and stop the race to the bottom we've seen. "  | |||
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"Was the minimum wage an eu idea?" Don't think it's a novel concept, no. We used to have local wages councils that were more effective. | |||
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"Was the minimum wage an eu idea? Don't think it's a novel concept, no. We used to have local wages councils that were more effective. " But wages were lower..before we signed up to minimum wage..which was a prerequisite of the eu? | |||
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"I think it remains to be seen if wages go up. I’m not hopeful. " While we were in Europe, the number of people on minimum wage has only ever increased. | |||
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"I think it remains to be seen if wages go up. I’m not hopeful. While we were in Europe, the number of people on minimum wage has only ever increased. " Before we were in europe more people would have been earning less than the minimum wage. | |||
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"Was the minimum wage an eu idea? Don't think it's a novel concept, no. We used to have local wages councils that were more effective. But wages were lower..before we signed up to minimum wage..which was a prerequisite of the eu?" Before I was born, was it? The seventies were pretty grim by all accounts. | |||
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"Was the minimum wage an eu idea? Don't think it's a novel concept, no. We used to have local wages councils that were more effective. But wages were lower..before we signed up to minimum wage..which was a prerequisite of the eu? Before I was born, was it? The seventies were pretty grim by all accounts. " Minimum wage didnt come in to the 90s The tories were opposed to it. Quelle surprise | |||
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"I think it remains to be seen if wages go up. I’m not hopeful. While we were in Europe, the number of people on minimum wage has only ever increased. Before we were in europe more people would have been earning less than the minimum wage." Then that wouldn't be the minimum wage would it lol But I know what you mean | |||
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"Was the minimum wage an eu idea? Don't think it's a novel concept, no. We used to have local wages councils that were more effective. But wages were lower..before we signed up to minimum wage..which was a prerequisite of the eu? Before I was born, was it? The seventies were pretty grim by all accounts. Minimum wage didnt come in to the 90s The tories were opposed to it. Quelle surprise " Minimum wage replaced wages councils? I didn't vote for them as you know... | |||
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"Was the minimum wage an eu idea? Don't think it's a novel concept, no. We used to have local wages councils that were more effective. But wages were lower..before we signed up to minimum wage..which was a prerequisite of the eu? Before I was born, was it? The seventies were pretty grim by all accounts. " The country is heading backward. We will soon know what it's like. | |||
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"Was the minimum wage an eu idea? Don't think it's a novel concept, no. We used to have local wages councils that were more effective. But wages were lower..before we signed up to minimum wage..which was a prerequisite of the eu? Before I was born, was it? The seventies were pretty grim by all accounts. Minimum wage didnt come in to the 90s The tories were opposed to it. Quelle surprise Minimum wage replaced wages councils? I didn't vote for them as you know... " Minimum wage sounds good but for many its become the maximum wage | |||
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"The seventies were pretty grim by all accounts. " Actually the truth is that the 1970’s were quite good on reflection. A couple on ordinary wages could afford to buy a house and to buy and run a car. It is easy to judge an era on the memory of the IMF intervention, strikes and the three-day week, but they were just headlines. In truth, ordinary people never had it so good - and probably haven’t since. The world of everything on credit had not yet arrived and so many consumer goods were priced affordable so that people could buy them. Credit has in some way spoiled everything - houses are now virtually unaffordable in many parts of the country, even for professional twin earning couples. It has been said by many that the 1970’s was the last time that ordinary working people could afford to live, rather than just survive. | |||
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"Minimum wages should be for school leavers not for families with children, mortgages etc. regardless their field of work. The only way lots of people can afford a “decent “ life in this country is by working overtime or having more than one job. That should not be the case in a developed country in 21st century. " The thing Is. If we didnt have minimim wage some companies would get away with paying people s@@@@e wages. But I agree..it shouldnt be the standard. | |||
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"Minimum wages should be for school leavers not for families with children, mortgages etc. regardless their field of work. The only way lots of people can afford a “decent “ life in this country is by working overtime or having more than one job. That should not be the case in a developed country in 21st century. The thing Is. If we didnt have minimim wage some companies would get away with paying people s@@@@e wages. But I agree..it shouldnt be the standard." Completely agree with you | |||
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"And this is what Brussels did for us as well: “Minimum wages should be for school leavers not for families with children, mortgages etc. regardless their field of work. The only way lots of people can afford a “decent “ life in this country is by working overtime or having more than one job. That should not be the case in a developed country in 21st century.” " Assuming that you are right, how come all those bad things happened to UK only? Perhaps EU had a special legislation for UK? Or the British sent to Brussels were all foreign agents? | |||
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"And this is what Brussels did for us as well: “Minimum wages should be for school leavers not for families with children, mortgages etc. regardless their field of work. The only way lots of people can afford a “decent “ life in this country is by working overtime or having more than one job. That should not be the case in a developed country in 21st century.” Assuming that you are right, how come all those bad things happened to UK only? Perhaps EU had a special legislation for UK? Or the British sent to Brussels were all foreign agents?" It’s worth pondering isn’t it This is the sort of introspection I think remainers should do more of | |||
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"Wages went up nearly everywhere in Europe, prices as well but wages quite stagnant in UK. At the moment minimum wages are pretty much the same in UK, France and Germany. However France has a shorter week, more holidays etc. , not sure about Germany. Plus there are more people close to the minimum wage in Uk than in other countries. Like it or not ,this country imports a lot, irrelevant where from. At the moment looks like every British is about 20-30% poorer than few years ago. We've been in Europe 44 years and look what it's done to our economy. Completely fucked over the lowest paid with wage compression due to the free movement of labour. Brexit starts to redress that balance and stop the race to the bottom we've seen. uk goverment issues" This. | |||
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"Wages went up nearly everywhere in Europe, prices as well but wages quite stagnant in UK. At the moment minimum wages are pretty much the same in UK, France and Germany. However France has a shorter week, more holidays etc. , not sure about Germany. Plus there are more people close to the minimum wage in Uk than in other countries. Like it or not ,this country imports a lot, irrelevant where from. At the moment looks like every British is about 20-30% poorer than few years ago. We've been in Europe 44 years and look what it's done to our economy. Completely fucked over the lowest paid with wage compression due to the free movement of labour. Brexit starts to redress that balance and stop the race to the bottom we've seen. " Big whine about Europe "which we've been a part of for roughly a few thousand years" and this almighty city called Brussels again being blamed for anything and everything.... yet for once no mention of the European Union especially when the word Brexit gets randomly thrown in at the last second for some bizarre reason after talking about something we've been a part of for thousands of years. Truly bizarre behaviour | |||
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"Wages went up nearly everywhere in Europe, prices as well but wages quite stagnant in UK. At the moment minimum wages are pretty much the same in UK, France and Germany. However France has a shorter week, more holidays etc. , not sure about Germany. Plus there are more people close to the minimum wage in Uk than in other countries. Like it or not ,this country imports a lot, irrelevant where from. At the moment looks like every British is about 20-30% poorer than few years ago. We've been in Europe 44 years and look what it's done to our economy. Completely fucked over the lowest paid with wage compression due to the free movement of labour. Brexit starts to redress that balance and stop the race to the bottom we've seen. Big whine about Europe "which we've been a part of for roughly a few thousand years" and this almighty city called Brussels again being blamed for anything and everything.... yet for once no mention of the European Union especially when the word Brexit gets randomly thrown in at the last second for some bizarre reason after talking about something we've been a part of for thousands of years. Truly bizarre behaviour "Been part of? It worked much better when we ran it. We created Volkswagon for example. | |||
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"Wages went up nearly everywhere in Europe, prices as well but wages quite stagnant in UK. At the moment minimum wages are pretty much the same in UK, France and Germany. However France has a shorter week, more holidays etc. , not sure about Germany. Plus there are more people close to the minimum wage in Uk than in other countries. Like it or not ,this country imports a lot, irrelevant where from. At the moment looks like every British is about 20-30% poorer than few years ago. We've been in Europe 44 years and look what it's done to our economy. Completely fucked over the lowest paid with wage compression due to the free movement of labour. Brexit starts to redress that balance and stop the race to the bottom we've seen. Big whine about Europe "which we've been a part of for roughly a few thousand years" and this almighty city called Brussels again being blamed for anything and everything.... yet for once no mention of the European Union especially when the word Brexit gets randomly thrown in at the last second for some bizarre reason after talking about something we've been a part of for thousands of years. Truly bizarre behaviour
Been part of? It worked much better when we ran it.
We created Volkswagon for example. "Who created Volkswagen? Ferdinand Porsche designed the original because a "people's car" was required by the German government | |||
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" "It's all true, from wikipedia: Major Ivan Hirst (1 March 1916 – 10 March 2000), was a British Army officer and engineer who was instrumental in reviving Volkswagen from a single factory in Wolfsburg, Germany, into a major postwar automotive manufacturer. ...... Hirst then found a pre-war prototype Volkswagen in a remote workshop on the site and realised that the factory could be used for producing cars for the British Army. Hence, Hirst and Radclyffe laid the foundations for Volkswagen's successful automotive business. Much of the machinery had survived the bombing,[7] having been stored in various outbuildings. Cars were put together with old-stock and whatever could be found, many using parts from the Kübelwagen until 1946, when the factory produced about 1,000 cars a month.[8] (I'm known for my factuality) | |||
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It's all true, from wikipedia:
Major Ivan Hirst (1 March 1916 – 10 March 2000), was a British Army officer and engineer who was instrumental in reviving Volkswagen from a single factory in Wolfsburg, Germany, into a major postwar automotive manufacturer.
...... Hirst then found a pre-war prototype Volkswagen in a remote workshop on the site and realised that the factory could be used for producing cars for the British Army. Hence, Hirst and Radclyffe laid the foundations for Volkswagen's successful automotive business.
Much of the machinery had survived the bombing,[7] having been stored in various outbuildings. Cars were put together with old-stock and whatever could be found, many using parts from the Kübelwagen until 1946, when the factory produced about 1,000 cars a month.[8]
(I'm known for my factuality) "We respectfully disagree having been directly involved with the Wolfsburg factory. | |||
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It's all true, from wikipedia:
Major Ivan Hirst (1 March 1916 – 10 March 2000), was a British Army officer and engineer who was instrumental in reviving Volkswagen from a single factory in Wolfsburg, Germany, into a major postwar automotive manufacturer.
...... Hirst then found a pre-war prototype Volkswagen in a remote workshop on the site and realised that the factory could be used for producing cars for the British Army. Hence, Hirst and Radclyffe laid the foundations for Volkswagen's successful automotive business.
Much of the machinery had survived the bombing,[7] having been stored in various outbuildings. Cars were put together with old-stock and whatever could be found, many using parts from the Kübelwagen until 1946, when the factory produced about 1,000 cars a month.[8]
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We respectfully disagree having been directly involved with the Wolfsburg factory."It's an amazing story about Major Hirst, I think there was a documentary or two made about it. I've worked as a supplier to Wolfsberg BTW | |||
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It's all true, from wikipedia:
Major Ivan Hirst (1 March 1916 – 10 March 2000), was a British Army officer and engineer who was instrumental in reviving Volkswagen from a single factory in Wolfsburg, Germany, into a major postwar automotive manufacturer.
...... Hirst then found a pre-war prototype Volkswagen in a remote workshop on the site and realised that the factory could be used for producing cars for the British Army. Hence, Hirst and Radclyffe laid the foundations for Volkswagen's successful automotive business.
Much of the machinery had survived the bombing,[7] having been stored in various outbuildings. Cars were put together with old-stock and whatever could be found, many using parts from the Kübelwagen until 1946, when the factory produced about 1,000 cars a month.[8]
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We respectfully disagree having been directly involved with the Wolfsburg factory.
It's an amazing story about Major Hirst, I think there was a documentary or two made about it.
I've worked as a supplier to Wolfsberg BTW "That's very interesting. If you ever visited the factory perhaps we met. | |||
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It's all true, from wikipedia:
Major Ivan Hirst (1 March 1916 – 10 March 2000), was a British Army officer and engineer who was instrumental in reviving Volkswagen from a single factory in Wolfsburg, Germany, into a major postwar automotive manufacturer.
...... Hirst then found a pre-war prototype Volkswagen in a remote workshop on the site and realised that the factory could be used for producing cars for the British Army. Hence, Hirst and Radclyffe laid the foundations for Volkswagen's successful automotive business.
Much of the machinery had survived the bombing,[7] having been stored in various outbuildings. Cars were put together with old-stock and whatever could be found, many using parts from the Kübelwagen until 1946, when the factory produced about 1,000 cars a month.[8]
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We respectfully disagree having been directly involved with the Wolfsburg factory.
It's an amazing story about Major Hirst, I think there was a documentary or two made about it.
I've worked as a supplier to Wolfsberg BTW
That's very interesting. If you ever visited the factory perhaps we met."I have but I guess I only saw 0.005% of it lol felt more like a country than a factory | |||
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It's all true, from wikipedia:
Major Ivan Hirst (1 March 1916 – 10 March 2000), was a British Army officer and engineer who was instrumental in reviving Volkswagen from a single factory in Wolfsburg, Germany, into a major postwar automotive manufacturer.
...... Hirst then found a pre-war prototype Volkswagen in a remote workshop on the site and realised that the factory could be used for producing cars for the British Army. Hence, Hirst and Radclyffe laid the foundations for Volkswagen's successful automotive business.
Much of the machinery had survived the bombing,[7] having been stored in various outbuildings. Cars were put together with old-stock and whatever could be found, many using parts from the Kübelwagen until 1946, when the factory produced about 1,000 cars a month.[8]
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We respectfully disagree having been directly involved with the Wolfsburg factory."Well the Wiki page says so. How big his involvement was could be debated I suppose, but there is a street named after him in Wolfsburg. So I would guess it must have been substantial. | |||
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It's all true, from wikipedia:
Major Ivan Hirst (1 March 1916 – 10 March 2000), was a British Army officer and engineer who was instrumental in reviving Volkswagen from a single factory in Wolfsburg, Germany, into a major postwar automotive manufacturer.
...... Hirst then found a pre-war prototype Volkswagen in a remote workshop on the site and realised that the factory could be used for producing cars for the British Army. Hence, Hirst and Radclyffe laid the foundations for Volkswagen's successful automotive business.
Much of the machinery had survived the bombing,[7] having been stored in various outbuildings. Cars were put together with old-stock and whatever could be found, many using parts from the Kübelwagen until 1946, when the factory produced about 1,000 cars a month.[8]
(I'm known for my factuality)
We respectfully disagree having been directly involved with the Wolfsburg factory.
Well the Wiki page says so.
How big his involvement was could be debated I suppose, but there is a street named after him in Wolfsburg. So I would guess it must have been substantial.
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It's all true, from wikipedia:
Major Ivan Hirst (1 March 1916 – 10 March 2000), was a British Army officer and engineer who was instrumental in reviving Volkswagen from a single factory in Wolfsburg, Germany, into a major postwar automotive manufacturer.
...... Hirst then found a pre-war prototype Volkswagen in a remote workshop on the site and realised that the factory could be used for producing cars for the British Army. Hence, Hirst and Radclyffe laid the foundations for Volkswagen's successful automotive business.
Much of the machinery had survived the bombing,[7] having been stored in various outbuildings. Cars were put together with old-stock and whatever could be found, many using parts from the Kübelwagen until 1946, when the factory produced about 1,000 cars a month.[8]
(I'm known for my factuality)
We respectfully disagree having been directly involved with the Wolfsburg factory.
Well the Wiki page says so.
How big his involvement was could be debated I suppose, but there is a street named after him in Wolfsburg. So I would guess it must have been substantial.
It was stated that he created Volkswagen. He didn't."Let's agree that whatever VW was doing from a small single site making staff wagons pre war has no relation to the juggernaut company of the peoples car he created post war? | |||
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It's all true, from wikipedia:
Major Ivan Hirst (1 March 1916 – 10 March 2000), was a British Army officer and engineer who was instrumental in reviving Volkswagen from a single factory in Wolfsburg, Germany, into a major postwar automotive manufacturer.
...... Hirst then found a pre-war prototype Volkswagen in a remote workshop on the site and realised that the factory could be used for producing cars for the British Army. Hence, Hirst and Radclyffe laid the foundations for Volkswagen's successful automotive business.
Much of the machinery had survived the bombing,[7] having been stored in various outbuildings. Cars were put together with old-stock and whatever could be found, many using parts from the Kübelwagen until 1946, when the factory produced about 1,000 cars a month.[8]
(I'm known for my factuality)
We respectfully disagree having been directly involved with the Wolfsburg factory.
Well the Wiki page says so.
How big his involvement was could be debated I suppose, but there is a street named after him in Wolfsburg. So I would guess it must have been substantial.
It was stated that he created Volkswagen. He didn't."That poster states an awful lot of stuff that simply isn't true. | |||
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It's all true, from wikipedia:
Major Ivan Hirst (1 March 1916 – 10 March 2000), was a British Army officer and engineer who was instrumental in reviving Volkswagen from a single factory in Wolfsburg, Germany, into a major postwar automotive manufacturer.
...... Hirst then found a pre-war prototype Volkswagen in a remote workshop on the site and realised that the factory could be used for producing cars for the British Army. Hence, Hirst and Radclyffe laid the foundations for Volkswagen's successful automotive business.
Much of the machinery had survived the bombing,[7] having been stored in various outbuildings. Cars were put together with old-stock and whatever could be found, many using parts from the Kübelwagen until 1946, when the factory produced about 1,000 cars a month.[8]
(I'm known for my factuality)
We respectfully disagree having been directly involved with the Wolfsburg factory.
Well the Wiki page says so.
How big his involvement was could be debated I suppose, but there is a street named after him in Wolfsburg. So I would guess it must have been substantial.
It was stated that he created Volkswagen. He didn't.
That poster states an awful lot of stuff that simply isn't true. "I think you'll find he's known for his factuality. He says so himself. | |||
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