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Isn’t it time that we stopped these idiots? They are totally fucking up our country. | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then?" I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money? | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?" I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . " Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? " I have no idea if it is or not and i suspect you dont either. What i do know is that if we had not had one or the gov was accused of not spending enough you would be jumping on them saying they had cost lives. It is very easy to criticize a government you dont like as you do often enough but what price do you put on peoples lives.No test and trace in the western world has been totally successful but we could have done a lot worse. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/30/fran-d30.html | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? I have no idea if it is or not and i suspect you dont either. What i do know is that if we had not had one or the gov was accused of not spending enough you would be jumping on them saying they had cost lives. It is very easy to criticize a government you dont like as you do often enough but what price do you put on peoples lives.No test and trace in the western world has been totally successful but we could have done a lot worse. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/30/fran-d30.html " So apart from the US we have the worst desth rate and Test & Trace is supposed to be doing ok!? We are spending £11.7bn to vaccinate the entire adult population of the UK, but it is going to cost over 3x as much to rent a car park! Something smells very bad about Test & Trace... | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? I have no idea if it is or not and i suspect you dont either. What i do know is that if we had not had one or the gov was accused of not spending enough you would be jumping on them saying they had cost lives. It is very easy to criticize a government you dont like as you do often enough but what price do you put on peoples lives.No test and trace in the western world has been totally successful but we could have done a lot worse. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/30/fran-d30.html So apart from the US we have the worst desth rate and Test & Trace is supposed to be doing ok!? We are spending £11.7bn to vaccinate the entire adult population of the UK, but it is going to cost over 3x as much to rent a car park! Something smells very bad about Test & Trace... " Do you think the money is being spent on carparks  ever thought without it we could be worse than the usa? Personally i want the gov to do whatever it takes to get the uk open after we are through it im sure there will be many public enquiries in all aspects of spending and the way it has been handled.
Just out of interest with your calculations on the back of a fag packet how much should it have cost? | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? I have no idea if it is or not and i suspect you dont either. What i do know is that if we had not had one or the gov was accused of not spending enough you would be jumping on them saying they had cost lives. It is very easy to criticize a government you dont like as you do often enough but what price do you put on peoples lives.No test and trace in the western world has been totally successful but we could have done a lot worse. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/30/fran-d30.html So apart from the US we have the worst desth rate and Test & Trace is supposed to be doing ok!? We are spending £11.7bn to vaccinate the entire adult population of the UK, but it is going to cost over 3x as much to rent a car park! Something smells very bad about Test & Trace... Do you think the money is being spent on carparks ever thought without it we could be worse than the usa? Personally i want the gov to do whatever it takes to get the uk open after we are through it im sure there will be many public enquiries in all aspects of spending and the way it has been handled.
Just out of interest with your calculations on the back of a fag packet how much should it have cost? "If the entire UK adult population can be vaccinated for £11.7bn, then I would suggest Test & Trace should cost less than this. As your link showed, nobody has got Test & Trace to work, so why waste money on it? Having an enquiry after we have emptied the bank is a bit late frankly. | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? I have no idea if it is or not and i suspect you dont either. What i do know is that if we had not had one or the gov was accused of not spending enough you would be jumping on them saying they had cost lives. It is very easy to criticize a government you dont like as you do often enough but what price do you put on peoples lives.No test and trace in the western world has been totally successful but we could have done a lot worse. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/30/fran-d30.html So apart from the US we have the worst desth rate and Test & Trace is supposed to be doing ok!? We are spending £11.7bn to vaccinate the entire adult population of the UK, but it is going to cost over 3x as much to rent a car park! Something smells very bad about Test & Trace... Do you think the money is being spent on carparks ever thought without it we could be worse than the usa? Personally i want the gov to do whatever it takes to get the uk open after we are through it im sure there will be many public enquiries in all aspects of spending and the way it has been handled.
Just out of interest with your calculations on the back of a fag packet how much should it have cost?
If the entire UK adult population can be vaccinated for £11.7bn, then I would suggest Test & Trace should cost less than this. As your link showed, nobody has got Test & Trace to work, so why waste money on it? Having an enquiry after we have emptied the bank is a bit late frankly. "So you are saying that we should not have bothered then am i right? | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? I have no idea if it is or not and i suspect you dont either. What i do know is that if we had not had one or the gov was accused of not spending enough you would be jumping on them saying they had cost lives. It is very easy to criticize a government you dont like as you do often enough but what price do you put on peoples lives.No test and trace in the western world has been totally successful but we could have done a lot worse. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/30/fran-d30.html So apart from the US we have the worst desth rate and Test & Trace is supposed to be doing ok!? We are spending £11.7bn to vaccinate the entire adult population of the UK, but it is going to cost over 3x as much to rent a car park! Something smells very bad about Test & Trace... Do you think the money is being spent on carparks ever thought without it we could be worse than the usa? Personally i want the gov to do whatever it takes to get the uk open after we are through it im sure there will be many public enquiries in all aspects of spending and the way it has been handled.
Just out of interest with your calculations on the back of a fag packet how much should it have cost?
If the entire UK adult population can be vaccinated for £11.7bn, then I would suggest Test & Trace should cost less than this. As your link showed, nobody has got Test & Trace to work, so why waste money on it? Having an enquiry after we have emptied the bank is a bit late frankly. So you are saying that we should not have bothered then am i right?"I have seen no evidence that it has achieved anything at all. Please correct me if I am wrong. | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? I have no idea if it is or not and i suspect you dont either. What i do know is that if we had not had one or the gov was accused of not spending enough you would be jumping on them saying they had cost lives. It is very easy to criticize a government you dont like as you do often enough but what price do you put on peoples lives.No test and trace in the western world has been totally successful but we could have done a lot worse. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/30/fran-d30.html So apart from the US we have the worst desth rate and Test & Trace is supposed to be doing ok!? We are spending £11.7bn to vaccinate the entire adult population of the UK, but it is going to cost over 3x as much to rent a car park! Something smells very bad about Test & Trace... Do you think the money is being spent on carparks ever thought without it we could be worse than the usa? Personally i want the gov to do whatever it takes to get the uk open after we are through it im sure there will be many public enquiries in all aspects of spending and the way it has been handled.
Just out of interest with your calculations on the back of a fag packet how much should it have cost?
If the entire UK adult population can be vaccinated for £11.7bn, then I would suggest Test & Trace should cost less than this. As your link showed, nobody has got Test & Trace to work, so why waste money on it? Having an enquiry after we have emptied the bank is a bit late frankly. So you are saying that we should not have bothered then am i right?
I have seen no evidence that it has achieved anything at all. Please correct me if I am wrong."I cant as i dont know either but what i would say just going by common sense that it must have informed a lot of people that they had it which in turn stopped them spreading it to others which in turn saved a lot of lives. | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? I have no idea if it is or not and i suspect you dont either. What i do know is that if we had not had one or the gov was accused of not spending enough you would be jumping on them saying they had cost lives. It is very easy to criticize a government you dont like as you do often enough but what price do you put on peoples lives.No test and trace in the western world has been totally successful but we could have done a lot worse. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/30/fran-d30.html So apart from the US we have the worst desth rate and Test & Trace is supposed to be doing ok!? We are spending £11.7bn to vaccinate the entire adult population of the UK, but it is going to cost over 3x as much to rent a car park! Something smells very bad about Test & Trace... Do you think the money is being spent on carparks ever thought without it we could be worse than the usa? Personally i want the gov to do whatever it takes to get the uk open after we are through it im sure there will be many public enquiries in all aspects of spending and the way it has been handled.
Just out of interest with your calculations on the back of a fag packet how much should it have cost?
If the entire UK adult population can be vaccinated for £11.7bn, then I would suggest Test & Trace should cost less than this. As your link showed, nobody has got Test & Trace to work, so why waste money on it? Having an enquiry after we have emptied the bank is a bit late frankly. So you are saying that we should not have bothered then am i right?
I have seen no evidence that it has achieved anything at all. Please correct me if I am wrong."So in your opinion there should be no testing what so ever because you have seen no evidence that testing works?  | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then?" yes scrap it spend money elsewhere | |||
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"With a capacity of c.6k tests a day, at this point last year, we now test and have capacity for c.1 million tests a day. Massive expansion which is serving us extremely well now and will be a great asset for the future. Seems to suggest part of this money has been extremely well spent. " Worth noting ; a huge part of the expansion of capacity was in the use of lateral flow testing, which is not the most accurate. It has achieved something, Serco have been able to pay a dividend. | |||
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"With a capacity of c.6k tests a day, at this point last year, we now test and have capacity for c.1 million tests a day. Massive expansion which is serving us extremely well now and will be a great asset for the future. Seems to suggest part of this money has been extremely well spent. Worth noting ; a huge part of the expansion of capacity was in the use of lateral flow testing, which is not the most accurate. It has achieved something, Serco have been able to pay a dividend. " These figures are based on PCR tests and capacity. It's also worth checking Serco's involvement in the system - it may not be as much as you think. | |||
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"With a capacity of c.6k tests a day, at this point last year, we now test and have capacity for c.1 million tests a day. Massive expansion which is serving us extremely well now and will be a great asset for the future. Seems to suggest part of this money has been extremely well spent. Worth noting ; a huge part of the expansion of capacity was in the use of lateral flow testing, which is not the most accurate. It has achieved something, Serco have been able to pay a dividend. These figures are based on PCR tests and capacity. It's also worth checking Serco's involvement in the system - it may not be as much as you think." So who is making money from this? Nobody thinks it is even close to delivering, so why does it carry on? & why splash the cash. It is time this Govt was held to account. | |||
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"With a capacity of c.6k tests a day, at this point last year, we now test and have capacity for c.1 million tests a day. Massive expansion which is serving us extremely well now and will be a great asset for the future. Seems to suggest part of this money has been extremely well spent. " again, worth noting, UK government offered off the shelf solutions by Apple and Google (if memory serves) Government had to abandon it's first attempts at track and trace in June 2020, it then had to go back and adapt the technology originally proposed by,,,, Google and Apple. This article gives a good summary. https://www.digitalhealth.net/2020/06/government-abandons-contact-tracing-app-for-apple-and-googles-tech/ Also of note is the relationship between the conservative party and Serco This from an MP "Serco's CEO is the brother of a former Tory MP. His partner is a Tory Party donor. And Serco's former top spin doctor is the Tory Minister for Health. In Parliament, I just voted for Test and Trace funding to go to local public health teams, not Serco." | |||
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"With a capacity of c.6k tests a day, at this point last year, we now test and have capacity for c.1 million tests a day. Massive expansion which is serving us extremely well now and will be a great asset for the future. Seems to suggest part of this money has been extremely well spent. again, worth noting, UK government offered off the shelf solutions by Apple and Google (if memory serves) Government had to abandon it's first attempts at track and trace in June 2020, it then had to go back and adapt the technology originally proposed by,,,, Google and Apple. This article gives a good summary. https://www.digitalhealth.net/2020/06/government-abandons-contact-tracing-app-for-apple-and-googles-tech/ Also of note is the relationship between the conservative party and Serco This from an MP "Serco's CEO is the brother of a former Tory MP. His partner is a Tory Party donor. And Serco's former top spin doctor is the Tory Minister for Health. In Parliament, I just voted for Test and Trace funding to go to local public health teams, not Serco." " Again, I would point you to check how much Serco is actually involved with the overall system. It's also worth checking fullfact on their verdict on the claim that Serco are involved with the contact tracing app. | |||
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"So if we hadn’t wasted £37bn on Test & Trace (or spaffed the money up a wall in Boris parlance), we could have given EVERY member of staff in the NHS a £32,000 bonus. Apparently, because Boris has given all his friends the money (OUR MONEY) we can only offer the people who actually bust a gut to save lives, a 1% pay rise
Isn’t it time that we stopped these idiots? They are totally fucking up our country."YOu are not reading the facts and non of this is black and white what is wrong with you? | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ " Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! " As a UK voter I value my own life way above £800. If the government is going spend my tax money on successful or failed systems to try and stop me from catching covid and possibly dying from it I'm all for it. At least they are trying. | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! " I care that the UK has a testing system that can very quickly identify, trace and isolate cases of the virus. | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! I care that the UK has a testing system that can very quickly identify, trace and isolate cases of the virus. " I’m glad you care, did you want to send this one back and ask for your money back then? It clearly doesn’t work  | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! I care that the UK has a testing system that can very quickly identify, trace and isolate cases of the virus. I’m glad you care, did you want to send this one back and ask for your money back then? It clearly doesn’t work "Of course, finding and reacting to the Kent, South African and Brazilian variants in the UK just happened by pure chance. | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! I care that the UK has a testing system that can very quickly identify, trace and isolate cases of the virus. I’m glad you care, did you want to send this one back and ask for your money back then? It clearly doesn’t work
Of course, finding and reacting to the Kent, South African and Brazilian variants in the UK just happened by pure chance."You’re right it didn’t. Public Health England, Scotland Wales and N Ireland do their own testing from people in Hospitals, Homes and other outbreak areas. As we have seen from all analyses, the Test & Trace organisation added next to nothing. The work to respond to new variants is done by the NHS and Public Health. Test & Trace is not part of the NHS, it reports directly to Boris. | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? I have no idea if it is or not and i suspect you dont either. What i do know is that if we had not had one or the gov was accused of not spending enough you would be jumping on them saying they had cost lives. It is very easy to criticize a government you dont like as you do often enough but what price do you put on peoples lives.No test and trace in the western world has been totally successful but we could have done a lot worse. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/30/fran-d30.html "  | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? I have no idea if it is or not and i suspect you dont either. What i do know is that if we had not had one or the gov was accused of not spending enough you would be jumping on them saying they had cost lives. It is very easy to criticize a government you dont like as you do often enough but what price do you put on peoples lives.No test and trace in the western world has been totally successful but we could have done a lot worse. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/30/fran-d30.html "We could have done worse? We spend £37bn, we use rubbish tests, we screw up the App by ignoring Apple and Google, we don’t actually do any ‘tracing’, so the testing only tells us how many people are exposed to the virus - but because the system does not proactively tell people to get tested it is hugely sub optimal. We also have a huge number of deaths and somehow we aren’t doing as bad as others - the question has to be who has spent so much, in delivering so little to so many, whilst leaving so many dead... | |||
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"With a capacity of c.6k tests a day, at this point last year, we now test and have capacity for c.1 million tests a day. Massive expansion which is serving us extremely well now and will be a great asset for the future. Seems to suggest part of this money has been extremely well spent. again, worth noting, UK government offered off the shelf solutions by Apple and Google (if memory serves) Government had to abandon it's first attempts at track and trace in June 2020, it then had to go back and adapt the technology originally proposed by,,,, Google and Apple. This article gives a good summary. https://www.digitalhealth.net/2020/06/government-abandons-contact-tracing-app-for-apple-and-googles-tech/ Also of note is the relationship between the conservative party and Serco This from an MP "Serco's CEO is the brother of a former Tory MP. His partner is a Tory Party donor. And Serco's former top spin doctor is the Tory Minister for Health. In Parliament, I just voted for Test and Trace funding to go to local public health teams, not Serco." Again, I would point you to check how much Serco is actually involved with the overall system. It's also worth checking fullfact on their verdict on the claim that Serco are involved with the contact tracing app. " My apologies Accenture are the development team. I've worked with Accenture. They wouldn't put staff on a job at a daily billing rate of less than £600 a day. This is what fullfact say about Serco Confusion may have stemmed from the fact that Serco does play a role in the Test and Trace process, rather than the app itself. Along with other companies, Serco is contracted to manage facilities at some regional test sites as well as some aspects of contact tracing via call centres for pillar 2 tests, (which are tests taken by members of the public). However, this work is separate from the app. So their sticky little fingers are all over it. | |||
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Tell you what, I am more qualified than Dido to do this, so give me the £15bn and I will deliver a way better service. I can assure you they are not trying - nobody with this amount of money & no oversight actually tries! "Fortunately I'm not going to take the word of a keyboard warrior on Fab that they could produce a better system. However you crack on and moan about everything. | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! As a UK voter I value my own life way above £800. If the government is going spend my tax money on successful or failed systems to try and stop me from catching covid and possibly dying from it I'm all for it. At least they are trying.
Tell you what, I am more qualified than Dido to do this, so give me the £15bn and I will deliver a way better service. I can assure you they are not trying - nobody with this amount of money & no oversight actually tries!
Fortunately I'm not going to take the word of a keyboard warrior on Fab that they could produce a better system.
However you crack on and moan about everything."& you are willing to believe Dido Harding, even though the Public Accounts Committee says they are useless. What faith you place in fools... | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! As a UK voter I value my own life way above £800. If the government is going spend my tax money on successful or failed systems to try and stop me from catching covid and possibly dying from it I'm all for it. At least they are trying.
Tell you what, I am more qualified than Dido to do this, so give me the £15bn and I will deliver a way better service. I can assure you they are not trying - nobody with this amount of money & no oversight actually tries!
Fortunately I'm not going to take the word of a keyboard warrior on Fab that they could produce a better system.
However you crack on and moan about everything.
& you are willing to believe Dido Harding, even though the Public Accounts Committee says they are useless. What faith you place in fools... "Well to be honest Dido Haring is not the fool on Fab saying £37Bn has not had any results at all. | |||
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Tell you what, I am more qualified than Dido to do this, so give me the £15bn and I will deliver a way better service. I can assure you they are not trying - nobody with this amount of money & no oversight actually tries!
Fortunately I'm not going to take the word of a keyboard warrior on Fab that they could produce a better system.
However you crack on and moan about everything.
& you are willing to believe Dido Harding, even though the Public Accounts Committee says they are useless. What faith you place in fools...
Well to be honest Dido Haring is not the fool on Fab saying £37Bn has not had any results at all. "I am simply quoting the Public Accounts Committee who are there to call out failure. Still supporting Dido? | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! As a UK voter I value my own life way above £800. If the government is going spend my tax money on successful or failed systems to try and stop me from catching covid and possibly dying from it I'm all for it. At least they are trying.
Tell you what, I am more qualified than Dido to do this, so give me the £15bn and I will deliver a way better service. I can assure you they are not trying - nobody with this amount of money & no oversight actually tries!
Fortunately I'm not going to take the word of a keyboard warrior on Fab that they could produce a better system.
However you crack on and moan about everything.
& you are willing to believe Dido Harding, even though the Public Accounts Committee says they are useless. What faith you place in fools...
Well to be honest Dido Haring is not the fool on Fab saying £37Bn has not had any results at all.
I am simply quoting the Public Accounts Committee who are there to call out failure. Still supporting Dido?"I'm going to wait till it's all over and the independant enquiry produces it's findings. | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! As a UK voter I value my own life way above £800. If the government is going spend my tax money on successful or failed systems to try and stop me from catching covid and possibly dying from it I'm all for it. At least they are trying.
Tell you what, I am more qualified than Dido to do this, so give me the £15bn and I will deliver a way better service. I can assure you they are not trying - nobody with this amount of money & no oversight actually tries!
Fortunately I'm not going to take the word of a keyboard warrior on Fab that they could produce a better system.
However you crack on and moan about everything.
& you are willing to believe Dido Harding, even though the Public Accounts Committee says they are useless. What faith you place in fools...
Well to be honest Dido Haring is not the fool on Fab saying £37Bn has not had any results at all.
I am simply quoting the Public Accounts Committee who are there to call out failure. Still supporting Dido?
I'm going to wait till it's all over and the independant enquiry produces it's findings."I hope you have deep pockets... | |||
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"With a capacity of c.6k tests a day, at this point last year, we now test and have capacity for c.1 million tests a day. Massive expansion which is serving us extremely well now and will be a great asset for the future. Seems to suggest part of this money has been extremely well spent. again, worth noting, UK government offered off the shelf solutions by Apple and Google (if memory serves) Government had to abandon it's first attempts at track and trace in June 2020, it then had to go back and adapt the technology originally proposed by,,,, Google and Apple. This article gives a good summary. https://www.digitalhealth.net/2020/06/government-abandons-contact-tracing-app-for-apple-and-googles-tech/ Also of note is the relationship between the conservative party and Serco This from an MP "Serco's CEO is the brother of a former Tory MP. His partner is a Tory Party donor. And Serco's former top spin doctor is the Tory Minister for Health. In Parliament, I just voted for Test and Trace funding to go to local public health teams, not Serco." Again, I would point you to check how much Serco is actually involved with the overall system. It's also worth checking fullfact on their verdict on the claim that Serco are involved with the contact tracing app. My apologies Accenture are the development team. I've worked with Accenture. They wouldn't put staff on a job at a daily billing rate of less than £600 a day. This is what fullfact say about Serco Confusion may have stemmed from the fact that Serco does play a role in the Test and Trace process, rather than the app itself. Along with other companies, Serco is contracted to manage facilities at some regional test sites as well as some aspects of contact tracing via call centres for pillar 2 tests, (which are tests taken by members of the public). However, this work is separate from the app. So their sticky little fingers are all over it." Serco has about 1.5% involvement of the overall investment in the system - hardly "sticky fingers all over it". | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! As a UK voter I value my own life way above £800. If the government is going spend my tax money on successful or failed systems to try and stop me from catching covid and possibly dying from it I'm all for it. At least they are trying.
Tell you what, I am more qualified than Dido to do this, so give me the £15bn and I will deliver a way better service. I can assure you they are not trying - nobody with this amount of money & no oversight actually tries!
Fortunately I'm not going to take the word of a keyboard warrior on Fab that they could produce a better system.
However you crack on and moan about everything.
& you are willing to believe Dido Harding, even though the Public Accounts Committee says they are useless. What faith you place in fools...
Well to be honest Dido Haring is not the fool on Fab saying £37Bn has not had any results at all.
I am simply quoting the Public Accounts Committee who are there to call out failure. Still supporting Dido?
I'm going to wait till it's all over and the independant enquiry produces it's findings.
I hope you have deep pockets..."I find it strange you are putting a price on people's lives! | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! As a UK voter I value my own life way above £800. If the government is going spend my tax money on successful or failed systems to try and stop me from catching covid and possibly dying from it I'm all for it. At least they are trying.
Tell you what, I am more qualified than Dido to do this, so give me the £15bn and I will deliver a way better service. I can assure you they are not trying - nobody with this amount of money & no oversight actually tries!
Fortunately I'm not going to take the word of a keyboard warrior on Fab that they could produce a better system.
However you crack on and moan about everything.
& you are willing to believe Dido Harding, even though the Public Accounts Committee says they are useless. What faith you place in fools...
Well to be honest Dido Haring is not the fool on Fab saying £37Bn has not had any results at all.
I am simply quoting the Public Accounts Committee who are there to call out failure. Still supporting Dido?
I'm going to wait till it's all over and the independant enquiry produces it's findings.
I hope you have deep pockets...
I find it strange you are putting a price on people's lives!"The money wasted on track and trade could have been spent elsewhere to save more lives. Our death rate is horrific | |||
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"With a capacity of c.6k tests a day, at this point last year, we now test and have capacity for c.1 million tests a day. Massive expansion which is serving us extremely well now and will be a great asset for the future. Seems to suggest part of this money has been extremely well spent. again, worth noting, UK government offered off the shelf solutions by Apple and Google (if memory serves) Government had to abandon it's first attempts at track and trace in June 2020, it then had to go back and adapt the technology originally proposed by,,,, Google and Apple. This article gives a good summary. https://www.digitalhealth.net/2020/06/government-abandons-contact-tracing-app-for-apple-and-googles-tech/ Also of note is the relationship between the conservative party and Serco This from an MP "Serco's CEO is the brother of a former Tory MP. His partner is a Tory Party donor. And Serco's former top spin doctor is the Tory Minister for Health. In Parliament, I just voted for Test and Trace funding to go to local public health teams, not Serco." Again, I would point you to check how much Serco is actually involved with the overall system. It's also worth checking fullfact on their verdict on the claim that Serco are involved with the contact tracing app. My apologies Accenture are the development team. I've worked with Accenture. They wouldn't put staff on a job at a daily billing rate of less than £600 a day. This is what fullfact say about Serco Confusion may have stemmed from the fact that Serco does play a role in the Test and Trace process, rather than the app itself. Along with other companies, Serco is contracted to manage facilities at some regional test sites as well as some aspects of contact tracing via call centres for pillar 2 tests, (which are tests taken by members of the public). However, this work is separate from the app. So their sticky little fingers are all over it. Serco has about 1.5% involvement of the overall investment in the system - hardly "sticky fingers all over it"." 1.5 % of £20 billion is a lot of money | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! I care that the UK has a testing system that can very quickly identify, trace and isolate cases of the virus. I’m glad you care, did you want to send this one back and ask for your money back then? It clearly doesn’t work
Of course, finding and reacting to the Kent, South African and Brazilian variants in the UK just happened by pure chance.
You’re right it didn’t. Public Health England, Scotland Wales and N Ireland do their own testing from people in Hospitals, Homes and other outbreak areas. As we have seen from all analyses, the Test & Trace organisation added next to nothing. The work to respond to new variants is done by the NHS and Public Health.
Test & Trace is not part of the NHS, it reports directly to Boris."Are you really suggesting that the NHS test and trace system has nothing to do with the UKs testing capacity of nearly 1 million tests a day? Was it possible that the Kent, South African and Brazilian variants were only going to be found in a hospital or care home setting? No. You might want to actually check what the testing capacity of Public Health England, Scotland etc was this time last year, and then understand exactly why the national testing capacity had to be expanded at pace. This is why we now have a system, NHS Test and Trace that can identify, trace and isolate cases of the virus in all settings throughout the country. | |||
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"With a capacity of c.6k tests a day, at this point last year, we now test and have capacity for c.1 million tests a day. Massive expansion which is serving us extremely well now and will be a great asset for the future. Seems to suggest part of this money has been extremely well spent. again, worth noting, UK government offered off the shelf solutions by Apple and Google (if memory serves) Government had to abandon it's first attempts at track and trace in June 2020, it then had to go back and adapt the technology originally proposed by,,,, Google and Apple. This article gives a good summary. https://www.digitalhealth.net/2020/06/government-abandons-contact-tracing-app-for-apple-and-googles-tech/ Also of note is the relationship between the conservative party and Serco This from an MP "Serco's CEO is the brother of a former Tory MP. His partner is a Tory Party donor. And Serco's former top spin doctor is the Tory Minister for Health. In Parliament, I just voted for Test and Trace funding to go to local public health teams, not Serco." Again, I would point you to check how much Serco is actually involved with the overall system. It's also worth checking fullfact on their verdict on the claim that Serco are involved with the contact tracing app. My apologies Accenture are the development team. I've worked with Accenture. They wouldn't put staff on a job at a daily billing rate of less than £600 a day. This is what fullfact say about Serco Confusion may have stemmed from the fact that Serco does play a role in the Test and Trace process, rather than the app itself. Along with other companies, Serco is contracted to manage facilities at some regional test sites as well as some aspects of contact tracing via call centres for pillar 2 tests, (which are tests taken by members of the public). However, this work is separate from the app. So their sticky little fingers are all over it. Serco has about 1.5% involvement of the overall investment in the system - hardly "sticky fingers all over it". 1.5 % of £20 billion is a lot of money " not as much as 98.5% of £20 billion, which Serco doesn't have their sticky fingers all over | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! As a UK voter I value my own life way above £800. If the government is going spend my tax money on successful or failed systems to try and stop me from catching covid and possibly dying from it I'm all for it. At least they are trying.
Tell you what, I am more qualified than Dido to do this, so give me the £15bn and I will deliver a way better service. I can assure you they are not trying - nobody with this amount of money & no oversight actually tries!
Fortunately I'm not going to take the word of a keyboard warrior on Fab that they could produce a better system.
However you crack on and moan about everything.
& you are willing to believe Dido Harding, even though the Public Accounts Committee says they are useless. What faith you place in fools...
Well to be honest Dido Haring is not the fool on Fab saying £37Bn has not had any results at all.
I am simply quoting the Public Accounts Committee who are there to call out failure. Still supporting Dido?
I'm going to wait till it's all over and the independant enquiry produces it's findings.
I hope you have deep pockets...
I find it strange you are putting a price on people's lives!
The money wasted on track and trade could have been spent elsewhere to save more lives. Our death rate is horrific "So you werent complaining in march when we could only test 6000 people a day, you havent criticised the government for sending old folks back to care homes without testing them, you dont want the capacity to test teachers and kids so they dont spread it, you dont want nurses to be tested twice a week or any other employee being able to get tests at work, we are testing more per head of population than virtually any country, of course you know better than all the experts including the WHO remember their slogan at the beginning of all this. TEST TEST TEST. But no YOU know better, Oh dear you've plumbed new depths this time. | |||
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"Sorry to burst your bubble whilst in full rant mode. Here is a link to Fullfact. https://fullfact.org/health/Serco-test-and-trace/ Who cares about Serco, this £37bn is Boris and Dido. Why do you not care - this is £800 per UK voter! As a UK voter I value my own life way above £800. If the government is going spend my tax money on successful or failed systems to try and stop me from catching covid and possibly dying from it I'm all for it. At least they are trying.
Tell you what, I am more qualified than Dido to do this, so give me the £15bn and I will deliver a way better service. I can assure you they are not trying - nobody with this amount of money & no oversight actually tries!
Fortunately I'm not going to take the word of a keyboard warrior on Fab that they could produce a better system.
However you crack on and moan about everything.
& you are willing to believe Dido Harding, even though the Public Accounts Committee says they are useless. What faith you place in fools...
Well to be honest Dido Haring is not the fool on Fab saying £37Bn has not had any results at all.
I am simply quoting the Public Accounts Committee who are there to call out failure. Still supporting Dido?
I'm going to wait till it's all over and the independant enquiry produces it's findings.
I hope you have deep pockets...
I find it strange you are putting a price on people's lives!
The money wasted on track and trade could have been spent elsewhere to save more lives. Our death rate is horrific "Where exactly is the government not spending money that would save lives? | |||
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"According to the bbc just over 2500 consultants still on the books as of the end of February. The highest paid of which get over £6k per day. Who the fuck are they advising? I would assume the staff have got it now!! Deloitte have a £140m contract awarded in addition to the others without tender to offer consultancy for test and trace. They have now ( only now) allocated 1100 staff to the project . So junior accounts in effect being charged out at £100k each for an unidentified time per year. The good law project is taking legal action over the Deloitte contract. Also a lot of the test kits are still being sourced from China . We still don’t source enough in the U.K. Thought we had manufacturers in the U.K. including on this site. Seems we like to give our money to China still. How else can the cronyism continue. " you really couldn’t make this shit up 6k a day to consult on a failure wtf | |||
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"According to the bbc just over 2500 consultants still on the books as of the end of February. The highest paid of which get over £6k per day. Who the fuck are they advising? I would assume the staff have got it now!! Deloitte have a £140m contract awarded in addition to the others without tender to offer consultancy for test and trace. They have now ( only now) allocated 1100 staff to the project . So junior accounts in effect being charged out at £100k each for an unidentified time per year. The good law project is taking legal action over the Deloitte contract. Also a lot of the test kits are still being sourced from China . We still don’t source enough in the U.K. Thought we had manufacturers in the U.K. including on this site. Seems we like to give our money to China still. How else can the cronyism continue. " Why is it cronyism buying the stuff from china ? Make no mistake we shouldn't be buying anything at all from them but I dont get your point . I dont know why government waste is suddenly so important it's always gone on with quangos etc etc, I had two surveyors here this week doing levels on our river, I said so they want lots of info that they wont do a thing with to stop flooding but looks good, he said oh you know the EA well then. When public bodies spend money they waste lots, the NHS is one of the worse for it, funny how captain hindsight et al dont seem to worry about that and it's been happening for years | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible "So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike. If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something "Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost? | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?"I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking? | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?"As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know? As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?) | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
"I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that. The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine. | |||
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"According to the bbc just over 2500 consultants still on the books as of the end of February. The highest paid of which get over £6k per day. Who the fuck are they advising? I would assume the staff have got it now!! Deloitte have a £140m contract awarded in addition to the others without tender to offer consultancy for test and trace. They have now ( only now) allocated 1100 staff to the project . So junior accounts in effect being charged out at £100k each for an unidentified time per year. The good law project is taking legal action over the Deloitte contract. Also a lot of the test kits are still being sourced from China . We still don’t source enough in the U.K. Thought we had manufacturers in the U.K. including on this site. Seems we like to give our money to China still. How else can the cronyism continue. Why is it cronyism buying the stuff from china ? Make no mistake we shouldn't be buying anything at all from them but I dont get your point . I dont know why government waste is suddenly so important it's always gone on with quangos etc etc, I had two surveyors here this week doing levels on our river, I said so they want lots of info that they wont do a thing with to stop flooding but looks good, he said oh you know the EA well then. When public bodies spend money they waste lots, the NHS is one of the worse for it, funny how captain hindsight et al dont seem to worry about that and it's been happening for years" Because to source from China it would be expected to use intermediaries and untraceable process. Look at the PPE very little traceability and therefore accountability. Always been waste ,,,, £37B is an obscene amount of money so bollocks to hindsight they knew the costs they were signing for. Why has no one said hang on what are you spending this on?? No civil servants or ministers seem to have said stop and explain these costs! | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine. "The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive. | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive."How long have they had a test and trace system? the sure did not start it from scratch last year. Also S Korea had early knowledge of how dangerous the virus was before china released any warning and shut down before anyone else.If you are going to compare at least compare apples with apples. | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive."The figure of 11.7Bn was used in December when we had ordered 357M doses of the vaccine. We now have on order 407M doses of the vaccine so the cost will be higher. You really need to some research before you start quoting numbers.!! To say we would have only 1900 deaths just goes to show how much you know about the virus. Plus the countries you mention don't have to deal with the UK population. | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.How long have they had a test and trace system? the sure did not start it from scratch last year. Also S Korea had early knowledge of how dangerous the virus was before china released any warning and shut down before anyone else.If you are going to compare at least compare apples with apples."Wre you suggesting we completely ignored a country with expertise to try and do it ourselves? Surely we would have learned our lessons from the test we did a few years back? It seems that a number of people are satisfied with cmplacency & not prepared to ask what frankly are not even difficult questions. Surely one Covid death is the same as another, it just seems that we have 1000 for every one of theirs - lets eat their apples! | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive."South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ? That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it... | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it..."...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid? | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?"You do realise that the 37 billion is for all the testing over two years. Obviously not | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?"To compare korea to the uk is like comparing apples and potatoes. We are an international hub with millions travelling to,from and through us, korea is not, there population had experience with the sars lockdown we didnt, their population like others in the region are far more compliant to rules. | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
You do realise that the 37 billion is for all the testing over two years.
Obviously not"You do realise it is indefensible, so why do you bother? It is not a source of British pride, it is rubbish. S Korea shows us how we could have done better. So far I have had: - its not really that much - it is actually effective - it is the best we could do - it has stopped more deaths - I should compare apples to apples as S Koreans are differnt to Brits - we should wait till its all over to see how succesful (or otherwise it has been) - it would have been better if it wasn’t for us Brits. This is all laughable, or it would be if it didn’t show how much some people believe in BorisAnon! Test & Trace does not work & the spurious arguments that it does, or will, or isn’t too costly are just utter bollox | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
You do realise that the 37 billion is for all the testing over two years.
Obviously not
You do realise it is indefensible, so why do you bother? It is not a source of British pride, it is rubbish. S Korea shows us how we could have done better.
So far I have had:
- its not really that much
- it is actually effective
- it is the best we could do
- it has stopped more deaths
- I should compare apples to apples as S Koreans are differnt to Brits
- we should wait till its all over to see how succesful (or otherwise it has been)
- it would have been better if it wasn’t for us Brits.
This is all laughable, or it would be if it didn’t show how much some people believe in BorisAnon!
Test & Trace does not work & the spurious arguments that it does, or will, or isn’t too costly are just utter bollox "Do you actually know anything about the S korea test and trace i suggest you take a look before spouting complete rubbish. | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
You do realise that the 37 billion is for all the testing over two years.
Obviously not
You do realise it is indefensible, so why do you bother? It is not a source of British pride, it is rubbish. S Korea shows us how we could have done better.
So far I have had:
- its not really that much
- it is actually effective
- it is the best we could do
- it has stopped more deaths
- I should compare apples to apples as S Koreans are differnt to Brits
- we should wait till its all over to see how succesful (or otherwise it has been)
- it would have been better if it wasn’t for us Brits.
This is all laughable, or it would be if it didn’t show how much some people believe in BorisAnon!
Test & Trace does not work & the spurious arguments that it does, or will, or isn’t too costly are just utter bollox Do you actually know anything about the S korea test and trace i suggest you take a look before spouting complete rubbish."What is it they are doing that is not worth saving 140,000 lives? I’m confused  | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?"You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations. How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK | |||
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testing nhs staff, care homes staff and now visitors, school teachers and pupils, companies who are working, public transport staff, covid vaccine staff all a waste of money according to you. | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK "140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing. I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude. | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude."Told you You are wasting your breath We have one of the worst death rates in the world and they still wont hear a word of criticism. Leave them to their delusions. | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
Told you
You are wasting your breath
We have one of the worst death rates in the world and they still wont hear a word of criticism.
Leave them to their delusions."I know & I agree, but its fun watching them grasp at contradictory answers. It is obviously too complex an issue - QAnon has become B(oris)Anon | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude."Do you actually read and understand anything, the 13.7 covers all the testing for the next two years as well as the tracking system. Without the testing many many more would have caught it and overwhelmed the nhs leading to many more deaths. I'm sorry but your just looking silly now. | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude."You can't even quote the correct figures for the two countries either | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
Do you actually read and understand anything, the 13.7 covers all the testing for the next two years as well as the tracking system.
Without the testing many many more would have caught it and overwhelmed the nhs leading to many more deaths. I'm sorry but your just looking silly now."Pass on your insights to the Public Accounts Committee. They don’t seem to have your insights and believe Test & Trace has not proven to be effective & has not stopped more lockdowns. Perhaps we should spaff another £50bn at it, maybe ask the NHS to take a pay cut to fund it as it has your trust... | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
You can't even quote the correct figures for the two countries either"& which one is wrong? Does it invalidate my point... | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
You can't even quote the correct figures for the two countries either"Some dont let the truth get in the way of a good story. | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
You can't even quote the correct figures for the two countries either
& which one is wrong? Does it invalidate my point..."Bump - lets wait for the answer | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
You can't even quote the correct figures for the two countries either
& which one is wrong? Does it invalidate my point...
Bump - lets wait for the answer "Why don't you look them up. It will be the first bit of research you have done on this subject.! | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
You can't even quote the correct figures for the two countries either
& which one is wrong? Does it invalidate my point...
Bump - lets wait for the answer
Why don't you look them up.
It will be the first bit of research you have done on this subject.! "I’m actually very comfortable with my numbers. Could you let me know what level you find to be acceptable? S Korea. UK 1500 0 1500 1900 1500 50000 1500 100000 1500 150000 | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
You can't even quote the correct figures for the two countries either
& which one is wrong? Does it invalidate my point...
Bump - lets wait for the answer
Why don't you look them up.
It will be the first bit of research you have done on this subject.!
I’m actually very comfortable with my numbers. Could you let me know what level you find to be acceptable?
S Korea. UK
1500 0
1500 1900
1500 50000
1500 100000
1500 150000
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
Do you actually read and understand anything, the 13.7 covers all the testing for the next two years as well as the tracking system.
Without the testing many many more would have caught it and overwhelmed the nhs leading to many more deaths. I'm sorry but your just looking silly now.
Pass on your insights to the Public Accounts Committee. They don’t seem to have your insights and believe Test & Trace has not proven to be effective & has not stopped more lockdowns.
Perhaps we should spaff another £50bn at it, maybe ask the NHS to take a pay cut to fund it as it has your trust..."The committee did not say the money spent on testing was wasted, it said it didnt find a correlation between test andctrace and stopping the need for lockdowns Test and trace hasn't stopped lockdowns in any country that had large initial numbers, I have never seen a country with high numbers claim it would or could, let me explain what testing does. 1 if you feel I'll you get a test, if positive you carry on isolating so you dont spread it, with tracing it allows people you have been in contact with to isolate after a test, this part only works if everyone downloads the app, many havent, that is not the government's fault is it. For every person who gets tested and isolates it reduces the speed of the spread, that reduces the pressure on the nhs, we are testing a million a day do you think that is free ? If you had symptoms would you want a test or not, do you think nurses should be able to be tested twice a week ? You are very critical about the government yet YOU dont want people tested because it costs a lot of money, so tell us how YOU would have stopped people spreading it | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
You can't even quote the correct figures for the two countries either
& which one is wrong? Does it invalidate my point...
Bump - lets wait for the answer
Why don't you look them up.
It will be the first bit of research you have done on this subject.!
I’m actually very comfortable with my numbers. Could you let me know what level you find to be acceptable?
S Korea. UK
1500 0
1500 1900
1500 50000
1500 100000
1500 150000
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
You can't even quote the correct figures for the two countries either
& which one is wrong? Does it invalidate my point...
Bump - lets wait for the answer
Why don't you look them up.
It will be the first bit of research you have done on this subject.!
I’m actually very comfortable with my numbers. Could you let me know what level you find to be acceptable?
S Korea. UK
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1500 1900
1500 50000
1500 100000
1500 150000
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"Am I missing something . Even if the test and trace was 50% effective it still cost £37B so far. So whilst I agree we should have been doing both test and trace it didn’t do it’s job properly and cost a ridiculous amount of money. Similar to the PPE £20B why weren't questions asked? Don’t give me there wasn’t time! Why didn’t government say open book accounting? It’s like you asking a builder to put up a single garage and he quotes you £500k and you say as long as it built in four weeks that’s fine. Where is the control? Why didn’t they say just a minute my mates garage cost £15k and it took 5 weeks. It was not checked verified controlled in anyway. What are those consultants adding for £6k a day for a year? They don’t have that much knowledge to share. As I mentioned with the PPE throw away masks were costing £5 a piece from the Tory mates. I was ordering them for a tenner for 50 in a box. (Same three ply spec) Why didn’t someone say hang on thats too dear! We could have paid everyone on furlough £3 a piece to make them by hand and it would have been cheaper. ( not suggesting just comparing ) The real cost of manufacture is probably 5p plus shipping. Totally incompetent government. Your not missing anything Usual clique not having a word being said about the heroes. It would be genuinly interesting to see the lengths they would go to,before they actually have a word said against them." Yes I was thinking if Boris storm troopers suddenly started shooting people in the street they would say we’re over populated so it’s ok! | |||
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"Am I missing something . Even if the test and trace was 50% effective it still cost £37B so far. So whilst I agree we should have been doing both test and trace it didn’t do it’s job properly and cost a ridiculous amount of money. Similar to the PPE £20B why weren't questions asked? Don’t give me there wasn’t time! Why didn’t government say open book accounting? It’s like you asking a builder to put up a single garage and he quotes you £500k and you say as long as it built in four weeks that’s fine. Where is the control? Why didn’t they say just a minute my mates garage cost £15k and it took 5 weeks. It was not checked verified controlled in anyway. What are those consultants adding for £6k a day for a year? They don’t have that much knowledge to share. As I mentioned with the PPE throw away masks were costing £5 a piece from the Tory mates. I was ordering them for a tenner for 50 in a box. (Same three ply spec) Why didn’t someone say hang on thats too dear! We could have paid everyone on furlough £3 a piece to make them by hand and it would have been cheaper. ( not suggesting just comparing ) The real cost of manufacture is probably 5p plus shipping. Totally incompetent government. Your not missing anything Usual clique not having a word being said about the heroes. It would be genuinly interesting to see the lengths they would go to,before they actually have a word said against them. Yes I was thinking if Boris storm troopers suddenly started shooting people in the street they would say we’re over populated so it’s ok! " You jest but they are quite happy to see hungry kids,nurses getting screwed and ms patel wanting to ship immigrants off too an island in the middle of nowhere. It's quite scary really. | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
You can't even quote the correct figures for the two countries either
& which one is wrong? Does it invalidate my point...
Bump - lets wait for the answer
Why don't you look them up.
It will be the first bit of research you have done on this subject.!
I’m actually very comfortable with my numbers. Could you let me know what level you find to be acceptable?
S Korea. UK
1500 0
1500 1900
1500 50000
1500 100000
1500 150000
How many cases of covid have been reported in each of these countries?
Why would these numbers directly correlate with the type of tracking system used by the country?"What they correlate to is that the track and trace didn’t work in its efforts to bring down the death numbers. World beating remember and yet we are still, is it third, in the death toll tables? Proving its ineffectiveness in preventing so many tragic deaths. Counting the numbers of who’s got it doesn’t seem to have helped much does it. Especially now knowing a third of cases show no signs. They haven’t been tested or traced have they. So what did the consultants add to this shambles?. It appears nothing but cost. | |||
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I guess we could have used a roll of puppy dog Andrex and saved a fortune
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"Am I missing something . Even if the test and trace was 50% effective it still cost £37B so far. So whilst I agree we should have been doing both test and trace it didn’t do it’s job properly and cost a ridiculous amount of money. Similar to the PPE £20B why weren't questions asked? Don’t give me there wasn’t time! Why didn’t government say open book accounting? It’s like you asking a builder to put up a single garage and he quotes you £500k and you say as long as it built in four weeks that’s fine. Where is the control? Why didn’t they say just a minute my mates garage cost £15k and it took 5 weeks. It was not checked verified controlled in anyway. What are those consultants adding for £6k a day for a year? They don’t have that much knowledge to share. As I mentioned with the PPE throw away masks were costing £5 a piece from the Tory mates. I was ordering them for a tenner for 50 in a box. (Same three ply spec) Why didn’t someone say hang on thats too dear! We could have paid everyone on furlough £3 a piece to make them by hand and it would have been cheaper. ( not suggesting just comparing ) The real cost of manufacture is probably 5p plus shipping. Totally incompetent government. Your not missing anything Usual clique not having a word being said about the heroes. It would be genuinly interesting to see the lengths they would go to,before they actually have a word said against them. Yes I was thinking if Boris storm troopers suddenly started shooting people in the street they would say we’re over populated so it’s ok! You jest but they are quite happy to see hungry kids,nurses getting screwed and ms patel wanting to ship immigrants off too an island in the middle of nowhere. It's quite scary really." I’m not against the test and trace I’m against the obscene cost. Like PPE totally mismanaged. The conservatives the party of business. Don’t make me laugh. They would be frogmarched out of every boardroom in the country by their incompetence. Probably just before the company went bust. But they are safe as it’s not their money. It’s the tax payers. | |||
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"Am I missing something . Even if the test and trace was 50% effective it still cost £37B so far. So whilst I agree we should have been doing both test and trace it didn’t do it’s job properly and cost a ridiculous amount of money. Similar to the PPE £20B why weren't questions asked? Don’t give me there wasn’t time! Why didn’t government say open book accounting? It’s like you asking a builder to put up a single garage and he quotes you £500k and you say as long as it built in four weeks that’s fine. Where is the control? Why didn’t they say just a minute my mates garage cost £15k and it took 5 weeks. It was not checked verified controlled in anyway. What are those consultants adding for £6k a day for a year? They don’t have that much knowledge to share. As I mentioned with the PPE throw away masks were costing £5 a piece from the Tory mates. I was ordering them for a tenner for 50 in a box. (Same three ply spec) Why didn’t someone say hang on thats too dear! We could have paid everyone on furlough £3 a piece to make them by hand and it would have been cheaper. ( not suggesting just comparing ) The real cost of manufacture is probably 5p plus shipping. Totally incompetent government. three ply spec
I guess we could have used a roll of puppy dog Andrex and saved a fortune
"You laugh but people died because the Tory mates failed to deliver even the basic three ply mask used in nursing and care homes. ( not intensive care) But have your joke. I know a few of the those who died and I don’t see them joining in your rolling on the floor! Sadly. . | |||
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"Am I missing something . Even if the test and trace was 50% effective it still cost £37B so far. So whilst I agree we should have been doing both test and trace it didn’t do it’s job properly and cost a ridiculous amount of money. Similar to the PPE £20B why weren't questions asked? Don’t give me there wasn’t time! Why didn’t government say open book accounting? It’s like you asking a builder to put up a single garage and he quotes you £500k and you say as long as it built in four weeks that’s fine. Where is the control? Why didn’t they say just a minute my mates garage cost £15k and it took 5 weeks. It was not checked verified controlled in anyway. What are those consultants adding for £6k a day for a year? They don’t have that much knowledge to share. As I mentioned with the PPE throw away masks were costing £5 a piece from the Tory mates. I was ordering them for a tenner for 50 in a box. (Same three ply spec) Why didn’t someone say hang on thats too dear! We could have paid everyone on furlough £3 a piece to make them by hand and it would have been cheaper. ( not suggesting just comparing ) The real cost of manufacture is probably 5p plus shipping. Totally incompetent government. Your not missing anything Usual clique not having a word being said about the heroes. It would be genuinly interesting to see the lengths they would go to,before they actually have a word said against them. Yes I was thinking if Boris storm troopers suddenly started shooting people in the street they would say we’re over populated so it’s ok! You jest but they are quite happy to see hungry kids,nurses getting screwed and ms patel wanting to ship immigrants off too an island in the middle of nowhere. It's quite scary really. I’m not against the test and trace I’m against the obscene cost. Like PPE totally mismanaged. The conservatives the party of business. Don’t make me laugh. They would be frogmarched out of every boardroom in the country by their incompetence. Probably just before the company went bust. But they are safe as it’s not their money. It’s the tax payers. " Like I said its pointless arguing. Whatever they do there is some sort of excuse plucked from somewhere. They are literally stealing money out of their pockets and they are still bleating about the eu. You cant penetrate that level of fanaticism. | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
You can't even quote the correct figures for the two countries either
& which one is wrong? Does it invalidate my point...
Bump - lets wait for the answer
Why don't you look them up.
It will be the first bit of research you have done on this subject.!
I’m actually very comfortable with my numbers. Could you let me know what level you find to be acceptable?
S Korea. UK
1500 0
1500 1900
1500 50000
1500 100000
1500 150000
How many cases of covid have been reported in each of these countries?
Why would these numbers directly correlate with the type of tracking system used by the country?
What they correlate to is that the track and trace didn’t work in its efforts to bring down the death numbers.
World beating remember and yet we are still, is it third, in the death toll tables? Proving its ineffectiveness in preventing so many tragic deaths.
Counting the numbers of who’s got it doesn’t seem to have helped much does it. Especially now knowing a third of cases show no signs. They haven’t been tested or traced have they.
So what did the consultants add to this shambles?. It appears nothing but cost.
"Those who have been traced have been tested, those who work with those infected have been tested, nurses and many workers are tested twice a week, that stops the spread from those without symptoms it enables the government to know levels of infections and the time to lockdown. It really isnt rocket science. Got to love our dear friend lionel who continually blames the government over sending untested oaps back to care homes and now is complaining about all the testing happening. Bizarre | |||
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"Am I missing something . Even if the test and trace was 50% effective it still cost £37B so far. So whilst I agree we should have been doing both test and trace it didn’t do it’s job properly and cost a ridiculous amount of money. Similar to the PPE £20B why weren't questions asked? Don’t give me there wasn’t time! Why didn’t government say open book accounting? It’s like you asking a builder to put up a single garage and he quotes you £500k and you say as long as it built in four weeks that’s fine. Where is the control? Why didn’t they say just a minute my mates garage cost £15k and it took 5 weeks. It was not checked verified controlled in anyway. What are those consultants adding for £6k a day for a year? They don’t have that much knowledge to share. As I mentioned with the PPE throw away masks were costing £5 a piece from the Tory mates. I was ordering them for a tenner for 50 in a box. (Same three ply spec) Why didn’t someone say hang on thats too dear! We could have paid everyone on furlough £3 a piece to make them by hand and it would have been cheaper. ( not suggesting just comparing ) The real cost of manufacture is probably 5p plus shipping. Totally incompetent government. Your not missing anything Usual clique not having a word being said about the heroes. It would be genuinly interesting to see the lengths they would go to,before they actually have a word said against them. Yes I was thinking if Boris storm troopers suddenly started shooting people in the street they would say we’re over populated so it’s ok! You jest but they are quite happy to see hungry kids,nurses getting screwed and ms patel wanting to ship immigrants off too an island in the middle of nowhere. It's quite scary really. I’m not against the test and trace I’m against the obscene cost. Like PPE totally mismanaged. The conservatives the party of business. Don’t make me laugh. They would be frogmarched out of every boardroom in the country by their incompetence. Probably just before the company went bust. But they are safe as it’s not their money. It’s the tax payers. " Do you know how many tests are being done everyday, do you know the cost of each test including all the staff at the test centres ? How can you say the cost is too much when you nor I have any idea how many are employed in the process. | |||
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"... “Crucially, the MPs pointed out that the Department of Health & Social Care (DHSC) had tried last year to justify the huge spending on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown – “but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns”. “There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic, has justified its costs,” the report said.” Seems to be a complete & utter waste of money. I find it strange that anyone would try to defend the clearly indefensible
So your another one who thinks testing is a waste of time despite what the WHO say, despite what the experts say, how do we know who gas it, how bad it is etc unless we test, how many times have we been compared to korea or japan, they test trace test and trace and are held up as great examples. Perhaps if you understood what the committee said it might help, test and trace does not stop a surge in cases but slows it and gives the government the knowledge to decide when to lockdown to slow the spread. NO country has avoid a second spike.
If you had less hate for the government and opened your eyes you might learn something
Please show where I said Testing was a waste of time? I am pointing out that the Test & Trace answer is not to the right question and also at a ludicrous cost. How do you justify the cost?
I think you argument would have a better standing if you could point out what percentage of the money has gone to testing and what percentage to tracking?
As I’m sure you well know the big problem is a lack of transparency on this. Who is it that decides what we get to know?
As the whole UK vaccination programme (actually run by the NHS) will cost £11.7bn for 46m people and Test and Trace is only linked to a subset of these numbers but at over 3x the cost - you have to ask, how much money is being wasted. My hypothesis is 50% plus, so not just loose change unless you are Jeff Bezos (are you Jeff Bezos?)
I think you will find the vaccine program will cost far more than that.
The UK has bought 400M doses of vaccine.
The NHS stated £11.7bn, I feel I can trust them
It is worth remembering that Test & Trace can work, look at S Korea with 52 million population and 1500 deaths. If ours worked, we would only have 1900 deaths. Tell me ours is working now? Tell me it is value for money? Tell me that 100,000 plus people would have died anyway! This Govt has messed up everywhere, ineffective and expensive.
South Koreas test and trace system - EISS - Epidemiological Investigation Support System - You know, the one that pulls in and uses your credit card and smartphone information ?
That's ok isn't it, yes? everybody must be subject to it...
...1500 deaths vs 140,000 plus deaths. Given the data the Govt has on us anyway, why is this a defence to be stupid?
You are advocating the use of a mandatory system that goes considerably further in its intrusive tracking methods than the system that was adopted in this country - a system that was not mandatory and for many was viewed with scepticism anyway due to its ability to match randomly generated markers, let alone actually monitor personal credit card use and exact journeys and locations.
How ridiculous to suggest the government failed by not forcing a South Korean system on the UK
140,000 deaths vs 1500 deaths is quite a compelling argument. The Govt could have done a heck of a lot better than they have to reduce these numbers. Test & Trace was supposed to help, it hasn’t. Worse, it has cost an absolute fortune for nothing.
I am astounded at your complacency to be honest. I miss the people who died as a consequence of the Govt adopting this attitude.
You can't even quote the correct figures for the two countries either
& which one is wrong? Does it invalidate my point...
Bump - lets wait for the answer
Why don't you look them up.
It will be the first bit of research you have done on this subject.!
I’m actually very comfortable with my numbers. Could you let me know what level you find to be acceptable?
S Korea. UK
1500 0
1500 1900
1500 50000
1500 100000
1500 150000
How many cases of covid have been reported in each of these countries?
Why would these numbers directly correlate with the type of tracking system used by the country?
What they correlate to is that the track and trace didn’t work in its efforts to bring down the death numbers.
World beating remember and yet we are still, is it third, in the death toll tables? Proving its ineffectiveness in preventing so many tragic deaths.
Counting the numbers of who’s got it doesn’t seem to have helped much does it. Especially now knowing a third of cases show no signs. They haven’t been tested or traced have they.
So what did the consultants add to this shambles?. It appears nothing but cost.
Those who have been traced have been tested, those who work with those infected have been tested, nurses and many workers are tested twice a week, that stops the spread from those without symptoms it enables the government to know levels of infections and the time to lockdown. It really isnt rocket science.
Got to love our dear friend lionel who continually blames the government over sending untested oaps back to care homes and now is complaining about all the testing happening. Bizarre "Given the death rate it appears it is rocket science. However my point was on the cost so please explain why it costs so much as I’m wondering as I said what advice did the £6k a day add to the efficiency of the project? Would it have been a £100B without their sage advice? Also sending elderly into care homes against medical advice was condemning people to death at the time, not related to track and trace so don’t attach the two as they are not related. We had the ability to test and the capacity in the hospitals to hold the elderly at the time as the spike in cases hadn’t appeared. The beds remained empty and available for a long while after. | |||
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"Am I missing something . Even if the test and trace was 50% effective it still cost £37B so far. So whilst I agree we should have been doing both test and trace it didn’t do it’s job properly and cost a ridiculous amount of money. Similar to the PPE £20B why weren't questions asked? Don’t give me there wasn’t time! Why didn’t government say open book accounting? It’s like you asking a builder to put up a single garage and he quotes you £500k and you say as long as it built in four weeks that’s fine. Where is the control? Why didn’t they say just a minute my mates garage cost £15k and it took 5 weeks. It was not checked verified controlled in anyway. What are those consultants adding for £6k a day for a year? They don’t have that much knowledge to share. As I mentioned with the PPE throw away masks were costing £5 a piece from the Tory mates. I was ordering them for a tenner for 50 in a box. (Same three ply spec) Why didn’t someone say hang on thats too dear! We could have paid everyone on furlough £3 a piece to make them by hand and it would have been cheaper. ( not suggesting just comparing ) The real cost of manufacture is probably 5p plus shipping. Totally incompetent government. three ply spec
I guess we could have used a roll of puppy dog Andrex and saved a fortune
You laugh but people died because the Tory mates failed to deliver even the basic three ply mask used in nursing and care homes. ( not intensive care) But have your joke. I know a few of the those who died and I don’t see them joining in your rolling on the floor! Sadly. .
"It is a term which I know would not have been used in the specification set out by NHS Supply Chain for the supply of face masks for use in NHS and care home settings. I found your dumbing down of an important aspect of the specification quite amusing, especially when many popular brands of toilet paper use this phrase. My humorous observation is in no way an indication of my attitude to the loss suffered by anyone. You are not alone in a loss being felt so close to home. | |||
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"Am I missing something . Even if the test and trace was 50% effective it still cost £37B so far. So whilst I agree we should have been doing both test and trace it didn’t do it’s job properly and cost a ridiculous amount of money. Similar to the PPE £20B why weren't questions asked? Don’t give me there wasn’t time! Why didn’t government say open book accounting? It’s like you asking a builder to put up a single garage and he quotes you £500k and you say as long as it built in four weeks that’s fine. Where is the control? Why didn’t they say just a minute my mates garage cost £15k and it took 5 weeks. It was not checked verified controlled in anyway. What are those consultants adding for £6k a day for a year? They don’t have that much knowledge to share. As I mentioned with the PPE throw away masks were costing £5 a piece from the Tory mates. I was ordering them for a tenner for 50 in a box. (Same three ply spec) Why didn’t someone say hang on thats too dear! We could have paid everyone on furlough £3 a piece to make them by hand and it would have been cheaper. ( not suggesting just comparing ) The real cost of manufacture is probably 5p plus shipping. Totally incompetent government. Your not missing anything Usual clique not having a word being said about the heroes. It would be genuinly interesting to see the lengths they would go to,before they actually have a word said against them. Yes I was thinking if Boris storm troopers suddenly started shooting people in the street they would say we’re over populated so it’s ok! You jest but they are quite happy to see hungry kids,nurses getting screwed and ms patel wanting to ship immigrants off too an island in the middle of nowhere. It's quite scary really. I’m not against the test and trace I’m against the obscene cost. Like PPE totally mismanaged. The conservatives the party of business. Don’t make me laugh. They would be frogmarched out of every boardroom in the country by their incompetence. Probably just before the company went bust. But they are safe as it’s not their money. It’s the tax payers. Do you know how many tests are being done everyday, do you know the cost of each test including all the staff at the test centres ? How can you say the cost is too much when you nor I have any idea how many are employed in the process." Actually yes I do have quite a good idea as a close family member works at a reasonably senior level for the man contractor . Their work is secure for a while. Nice to have some job security in troubled times. . He tells me they have sites such as one where for local anti testing religious reasons they can have literally 2-3 people a day turn up. But still there will be 6-8 people employed there daily to test. They have sent people the length of the country to abide by the contract on staff numbers but not actually tested anyone. Obviously I’m passing on anecdotal examples and have not seen the invoices to the home office but I know what they are paying the contracted staff at the lower levels which isn’t out of this world to be honest. Telephone side was silly to start with but is now lower. So let’s see a bit further up the food chain must be the reasons for the excessive amounts. Or could it be profit? Hmm The total cost is passing our annual defence budget total and we have 100k staff full time there. With a lot more expensive kit! Like I’ve said the principal is good but you don’t need to be an auditor to know £37b is madness. | |||
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"Am I missing something . Even if the test and trace was 50% effective it still cost £37B so far. So whilst I agree we should have been doing both test and trace it didn’t do it’s job properly and cost a ridiculous amount of money. Similar to the PPE £20B why weren't questions asked? Don’t give me there wasn’t time! Why didn’t government say open book accounting? It’s like you asking a builder to put up a single garage and he quotes you £500k and you say as long as it built in four weeks that’s fine. Where is the control? Why didn’t they say just a minute my mates garage cost £15k and it took 5 weeks. It was not checked verified controlled in anyway. What are those consultants adding for £6k a day for a year? They don’t have that much knowledge to share. As I mentioned with the PPE throw away masks were costing £5 a piece from the Tory mates. I was ordering them for a tenner for 50 in a box. (Same three ply spec) Why didn’t someone say hang on thats too dear! We could have paid everyone on furlough £3 a piece to make them by hand and it would have been cheaper. ( not suggesting just comparing ) The real cost of manufacture is probably 5p plus shipping. Totally incompetent government. three ply spec
I guess we could have used a roll of puppy dog Andrex and saved a fortune
You laugh but people died because the Tory mates failed to deliver even the basic three ply mask used in nursing and care homes. ( not intensive care) But have your joke. I know a few of the those who died and I don’t see them joining in your rolling on the floor! Sadly. .
It is a term which I know would not have been used in the specification set out by NHS Supply Chain for the supply of face masks for use in NHS and care home settings. I found your dumbing down of an important aspect of the specification quite amusing, especially when many popular brands of toilet paper use this phrase.
My humorous observation is in no way an indication of my attitude to the loss suffered by anyone. You are not alone in a loss being felt so close to home.
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"That's rubbish, we did not have the ability to test at the time, testing and tracking are two elements, part of the system. As for the old folk where would you have sent them ? Even lionel has admitted there wasnt anywhere, hospitals are the source of many of infections, we know two friends who have died of it both caught it in hospital. " Who did the testing of that original flight from Wuhan if we couldn’t test? They were isolated for two weeks. The hospitals had enough tests to check the elderly before sending them out of the hospitals. How did they test the arrivals of sick people if tests weren’t available? I would have tested them and then after being clear sent them to the care homes. If they were sick they stayed. They didn’t take the time or care. Hospitals were emptied and operations cancelled. Before the storm there was a few weeks of empty hospitals and nurses without tasks who could have tested those old people. | |||
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"Well we know the solution, use the ballot box to register your grievance, maybe it will then click with the current government that our taxes will not be wasted so easily and leave us in a pile of debt." I think that even now.. after everything that has happened..they are still ahead in the polls speaks volumes. | |||
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"Well we know the solution, use the ballot box to register your grievance, maybe it will then click with the current government that our taxes will not be wasted so easily and leave us in a pile of debt." No I’m not in agreement. That isn’t a solution. Whoever is in on power should be accountable or we just get the same every time whoever is in power. There should be redress on these costs and if MPs or ministers are shown to be incompetent they should be removed as a factory worker is if he’s useless. If a minister lies intentionally he should put in court! Parliament should be a place where actual intentional lies are a criminal act. This isn’t a Tory or labour thing it’s about having government that is answerable not answerable every 5 years when they walk away free to consult or join the public speaking circuit, Blair and Boris will both get away with murder! The likes of Brown and Gove should also be treated the same way. They both lied to keep the agenda going. We will no doubt like Blair let them walk without any punishment for their actions. | |||
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"Well we know the solution, use the ballot box to register your grievance, maybe it will then click with the current government that our taxes will not be wasted so easily and leave us in a pile of debt. No I’m not in agreement. That isn’t a solution. Whoever is in on power should be accountable or we just get the same every time whoever is in power. There should be redress on these costs and if MPs or ministers are shown to be incompetent they should be removed as a factory worker is if he’s useless. If a minister lies intentionally he should put in court! Parliament should be a place where actual intentional lies are a criminal act. This isn’t a Tory or labour thing it’s about having government that is answerable not answerable every 5 years when they walk away free to consult or join the public speaking circuit, Blair and Boris will both get away with murder! The likes of Brown and Gove should also be treated the same way. They both lied to keep the agenda going. We will no doubt like Blair let them walk without any punishment for their actions. " Well there are local elections in May, so it would be an opportunity there, and other elections in the next few years. You are right about if a minister is doing something wrong then they should be held accountable for their actions, but how many times in this day and age does that happen? Because ultimately the person who decides that ministers fate is their boss, and they would just let them off. Voting is the superior tool in showing your approval or disapproval of how the government of the day is performing. Everything else is just noise around the edges. | |||
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"So in summary, a lot of people think paying Management Consultants £6000 per day is bad - including supporters ofvthe Govt. Now this is interesting, £6000 a day for a person is a number we can relate to, it seems obscene. But interestingly the same people can’t see that £22bn or £37bn is also not obscene. We do not have an effective Test & Trace system, it is not being run efficiently and it is so far off world beating. We still have one of the worlds highest desth rates and the ONLY thing theGovt got right was to order the vaccines early & let the NHS run its distribution. I started this post because I wanted to point out the utter waste of money within Test & Trace, andvto relate this to paying NHS staff appropriately. If the Govt is happy giving Management Consultants £6000 per day and Cummings a 40% pay rise before he left, then they should give the NHS a proper payrise - the money is available from putting some transparency and control into Test & Trace. We need to stop accepting the Bullshit from this Govt. It isn’t just the £6000 per day that is wrong. "This of course is just your bias opinion. You constantly quoted incorrect death numbers even though it was pointed out to you. You never said how much of the money went towards testing and how much to tracing. You fail to acknowledge that the UK has gone from the ability of testing 6000 a day to 1M a day. According to you that's a failure. You fail to acknowledge the trace system is now identifying post code areas where mast testing is advised because of the new strains of covid. You compared the UK to a country where the population is compliant and follow all the rules given. | |||
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"So in summary, a lot of people think paying Management Consultants £6000 per day is bad - including supporters ofvthe Govt. Now this is interesting, £6000 a day for a person is a number we can relate to, it seems obscene. But interestingly the same people can’t see that £22bn or £37bn is also not obscene. We do not have an effective Test & Trace system, it is not being run efficiently and it is so far off world beating. We still have one of the worlds highest desth rates and the ONLY thing theGovt got right was to order the vaccines early & let the NHS run its distribution. I started this post because I wanted to point out the utter waste of money within Test & Trace, andvto relate this to paying NHS staff appropriately. If the Govt is happy giving Management Consultants £6000 per day and Cummings a 40% pay rise before he left, then they should give the NHS a proper payrise - the money is available from putting some transparency and control into Test & Trace. We need to stop accepting the Bullshit from this Govt. It isn’t just the £6000 per day that is wrong.
This of course is just your bias opinion.
You constantly quoted incorrect death numbers even though it was pointed out to you.
You never said how much of the money went towards testing and how much to tracing.
You fail to acknowledge that the UK has gone from the ability of testing 6000 a day to 1M a day. According to you that's a failure.
You fail to acknowledge the trace system is now identifying post code areas where mast testing is advised because of the new strains of covid.
You compared the UK to a country where the population is compliant and follow all the rules given.
"It is all very well claiming I am wrong, butbyou haven’t corrected me - you have just said I’m wrong. How about some data from you? It is pretty weak saying that our delta of deaths with S Korea is due to them being compliant and us not. So it is people fault that we have excess of 130,000 deaths over S Korea and notbthe Govt! Can’t you recognise incompetence in the Govt? | |||
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"So in summary, a lot of people think paying Management Consultants £6000 per day is bad - including supporters ofvthe Govt. Now this is interesting, £6000 a day for a person is a number we can relate to, it seems obscene. But interestingly the same people can’t see that £22bn or £37bn is also not obscene. We do not have an effective Test & Trace system, it is not being run efficiently and it is so far off world beating. We still have one of the worlds highest desth rates and the ONLY thing theGovt got right was to order the vaccines early & let the NHS run its distribution. I started this post because I wanted to point out the utter waste of money within Test & Trace, andvto relate this to paying NHS staff appropriately. If the Govt is happy giving Management Consultants £6000 per day and Cummings a 40% pay rise before he left, then they should give the NHS a proper payrise - the money is available from putting some transparency and control into Test & Trace. We need to stop accepting the Bullshit from this Govt. It isn’t just the £6000 per day that is wrong.
This of course is just your bias opinion.
You constantly quoted incorrect death numbers even though it was pointed out to you.
You never said how much of the money went towards testing and how much to tracing.
You fail to acknowledge that the UK has gone from the ability of testing 6000 a day to 1M a day. According to you that's a failure.
You fail to acknowledge the trace system is now identifying post code areas where mast testing is advised because of the new strains of covid.
You compared the UK to a country where the population is compliant and follow all the rules given.
It is all very well claiming I am wrong, butbyou haven’t corrected me - you have just said I’m wrong. How about some data from you?
It is pretty weak saying that our delta of deaths with S Korea is due to them being compliant and us not. So it is people fault that we have excess of 130,000 deaths over S Korea and notbthe Govt! Can’t you recognise incompetence in the Govt?"Bump..... | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? I have no idea if it is or not and i suspect you dont either. What i do know is that if we had not had one or the gov was accused of not spending enough you would be jumping on them saying they had cost lives. It is very easy to criticize a government you dont like as you do often enough but what price do you put on peoples lives.No test and trace in the western world has been totally successful but we could have done a lot worse. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/30/fran-d30.html So apart from the US we have the worst desth rate and Test & Trace is supposed to be doing ok!? We are spending £11.7bn to vaccinate the entire adult population of the UK, but it is going to cost over 3x as much to rent a car park! Something smells very bad about Test & Trace... Do you think the money is being spent on carparks ever thought without it we could be worse than the usa? Personally i want the gov to do whatever it takes to get the uk open after we are through it im sure there will be many public enquiries in all aspects of spending and the way it has been handled.
Just out of interest with your calculations on the back of a fag packet how much should it have cost?
If the entire UK adult population can be vaccinated for £11.7bn, then I would suggest Test & Trace should cost less than this. As your link showed, nobody has got Test & Trace to work, so why waste money on it? Having an enquiry after we have emptied the bank is a bit late frankly. So you are saying that we should not have bothered then am i right?
I have seen no evidence that it has achieved anything at all. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I cant as i dont know either but what i would say just going by common sense that it must have informed a lot of people that they had it which in turn stopped them spreading it to others which in turn saved a lot of lives.
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? I have no idea if it is or not and i suspect you dont either. What i do know is that if we had not had one or the gov was accused of not spending enough you would be jumping on them saying they had cost lives. It is very easy to criticize a government you dont like as you do often enough but what price do you put on peoples lives.No test and trace in the western world has been totally successful but we could have done a lot worse. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/30/fran-d30.html So apart from the US we have the worst desth rate and Test & Trace is supposed to be doing ok!? We are spending £11.7bn to vaccinate the entire adult population of the UK, but it is going to cost over 3x as much to rent a car park! Something smells very bad about Test & Trace... Do you think the money is being spent on carparks ever thought without it we could be worse than the usa? Personally i want the gov to do whatever it takes to get the uk open after we are through it im sure there will be many public enquiries in all aspects of spending and the way it has been handled.
Just out of interest with your calculations on the back of a fag packet how much should it have cost?
If the entire UK adult population can be vaccinated for £11.7bn, then I would suggest Test & Trace should cost less than this. As your link showed, nobody has got Test & Trace to work, so why waste money on it? Having an enquiry after we have emptied the bank is a bit late frankly. So you are saying that we should not have bothered then am i right?
I have seen no evidence that it has achieved anything at all. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I cant as i dont know either but what i would say just going by common sense that it must have informed a lot of people that they had it which in turn stopped them spreading it to others which in turn saved a lot of lives.
Yes I'd agree that it must have reduced the amount of infection by simple probability of people isolating due to being notified.
Could it have been done much cheaper, most probably yes.
"I very much agree that it could have been done cheaper & it should have been. Dido Harding was not the right person to lead this, she did not do a great job at TalkTalk - it was another example of the chumocracy. The outcome, we waste money & people died. Further, we don’t have enough money to pay the NH?s staff for everything they have done for us. The Govt has messed up hugely and we all suffer. | |||
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"So do you think there should be no test and trace then? I have seen no evidence that it has worked. I am also gobsmacked as to what they have actually spent the money on? Empty car parks do not cost that much to rent. Do you feel it has been value for money?I have no idea what is involved in the whole system, i know it cant be cheap to buy all these tests (currently running at a million and a half a day) getting them processed etc, etc. Getting school children tested when they go back twice a week is a good call i would say and companies getting free tests to keep them running but as i said i have no idea if it is value for money or not . Does it seem like value for money? £37bn will buy a lot of anything. If they’d only spent £32bn you could give NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. It seems that Dido gets no scrutiny and an open wallet, but the people who have done a great job in the NHS get an offer of 1%... No concerns on your part at all? I have no idea if it is or not and i suspect you dont either. What i do know is that if we had not had one or the gov was accused of not spending enough you would be jumping on them saying they had cost lives. It is very easy to criticize a government you dont like as you do often enough but what price do you put on peoples lives.No test and trace in the western world has been totally successful but we could have done a lot worse. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/30/fran-d30.html So apart from the US we have the worst desth rate and Test & Trace is supposed to be doing ok!? We are spending £11.7bn to vaccinate the entire adult population of the UK, but it is going to cost over 3x as much to rent a car park! Something smells very bad about Test & Trace... Do you think the money is being spent on carparks ever thought without it we could be worse than the usa? Personally i want the gov to do whatever it takes to get the uk open after we are through it im sure there will be many public enquiries in all aspects of spending and the way it has been handled.
Just out of interest with your calculations on the back of a fag packet how much should it have cost?
If the entire UK adult population can be vaccinated for £11.7bn, then I would suggest Test & Trace should cost less than this. As your link showed, nobody has got Test & Trace to work, so why waste money on it? Having an enquiry after we have emptied the bank is a bit late frankly. So you are saying that we should not have bothered then am i right?
I have seen no evidence that it has achieved anything at all. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I cant as i dont know either but what i would say just going by common sense that it must have informed a lot of people that they had it which in turn stopped them spreading it to others which in turn saved a lot of lives.
Yes I'd agree that it must have reduced the amount of infection by simple probability of people isolating due to being notified.
Could it have been done much cheaper, most probably yes.
I very much agree that it could have been done cheaper & it should have been. Dido Harding was not the right person to lead this, she did not do a great job at TalkTalk - it was another example of the chumocracy. The outcome, we waste money & people died. Further, we don’t have enough money to pay the NH?s staff for everything they have done for us. The Govt has messed up hugely and we all suffer."Then come the next elections you know what you have to do! vote! | |||
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