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"I think that if you look into this you will find that the EU proposed this in March 2020." Have they acted on it yet? | |||
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"I think that if you look into this you will find that the EU proposed this in March 2020." The EU has sat on it for years. If you look at subjects like EU vacuum cleaner certification you will find the certifying bodies are made up of German appliance manufacturers. Now we are free to start spreading proper standards like BSI throughout the New Empire. | |||
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"Has the UK done anything about it yet? The manufacturers need to be onboard to enable this to happen and that has been the issue all along. The UK is as usual following behind the EU - their close friends (remember?) and telling those who need to believe that everything that the UK does is first, bigger and better. However, your import and export business is supporting the UK admirably which I can only applaud. The UK needs at least one business that (by all your accounts) seems to be flourishing since 31st December and you are that business. Excellent. " I will have a little wager with you that the uk gets it done before the eu.We all know the eu is too slow to act on anything.  | |||
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"It is already in place across the EU - the UK is just catching up. Had they still been a member of the EU, it would have applied to the UK as well. " Nope, it is not law in Europe. | |||
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Lightbulbs were always capable of lasting much longer but where’s the profit in that | |||
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/eu-right-repair-technology-decade-b1809408.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true Oh dear..." Dead link | |||
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"I think that if you look into this you will find that the EU proposed this in March 2020." Yes the EU may do it in another ten years we can get it done that is the difference | |||
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"The manufacturers will put high prices on parts to make it uneconomical to repair
Lightbulbs were always capable of lasting much longer but where’s the profit in that "Exactly, and the cost of some electrical goods is so low it would be cheaper to buy new than pay for repairs, theoretically it is a great idea but practically it won’t work | |||
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"Personally, I think it fantastic that this initiative has been introduced regardless of who introduced it first. A great benifit for the environment and common sense. I would have heralded it as such and left it at that however, some people prefer to see anything and everything as a Brexit win. So, a Brexit win is something that has been achieved since 31st January. A Brexit win is when the UK achieves something before the EU. A Brexit win is when the EU suffers. That, is what I see as some people's view over all of this and it is interesting how they will cling onto anything (fact or fiction) to make their point. Should the (our friends in the) EU have something that, on the face of it appears to be better than the new UK equivalent (Erasmus for example), some people on here choose to finish their argument by belittling the need for it in the 1st place. Had the UK system been better (and World beating as it was sold to the UK public), I am pretty sure it would have been the best thing since sliced bread. This is a swingers site. Politics is the forum discussion title and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some people make up stories - this is a swingers site - others state facts. None of us will change the other's opinion. Have a nice day " You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. When plainly incorrect claims are made that Zurich University is in Erasmus, as on another thread today, I will point out that's rubbish. Same as claiming the EU has a right to repair law when it doesn't. | |||
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"Personally, I think it fantastic that this initiative has been introduced regardless of who introduced it first. A great benifit for the environment and common sense. I would have heralded it as such and left it at that however, some people prefer to see anything and everything as a Brexit win. So, a Brexit win is something that has been achieved since 31st January. A Brexit win is when the UK achieves something before the EU. A Brexit win is when the EU suffers. That, is what I see as some people's view over all of this and it is interesting how they will cling onto anything (fact or fiction) to make their point. Should the (our friends in the) EU have something that, on the face of it appears to be better than the new UK equivalent (Erasmus for example), some people on here choose to finish their argument by belittling the need for it in the 1st place. Had the UK system been better (and World beating as it was sold to the UK public), I am pretty sure it would have been the best thing since sliced bread. This is a swingers site. Politics is the forum discussion title and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some people make up stories - this is a swingers site - others state facts. None of us will change the other's opinion. Have a nice day You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. When plainly incorrect claims are made that Zurich University is in Erasmus, as on another thread today, I will point out that's rubbish. Same as claiming the EU has a right to repair law when it doesn't. " Neither does the UK, | |||
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"You get what you pay for. There is a reason items that do the same thing are more expensive than others. " True, if something costs £100 to buy your not going to spend £80 to get it fixed | |||
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"You get what you pay for. There is a reason items that do the same thing are more expensive than others. True, if something costs £100 to buy your not going to spend £80 to get it fixed " The £100 item will last 5 times longer than the item that only costs £20. | |||
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"You get what you pay for. There is a reason items that do the same thing are more expensive than others. True, if something costs £100 to buy your not going to spend £80 to get it fixed The £100 item will last 5 times longer than the item that only costs £20. " It isn’t that simple. I think it is a very good idea but it will obviously push up the price of goods but will hopefully improve quality. | |||
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"You get what you pay for. There is a reason items that do the same thing are more expensive than others. True, if something costs £100 to buy your not going to spend £80 to get it fixed The £100 item will last 5 times longer than the item that only costs £20. It isn’t that simple. I think it is a very good idea but it will obviously push up the price of goods but will hopefully improve quality. " Sounds like you've changed to pro brexit now, good | |||
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"You get what you pay for. There is a reason items that do the same thing are more expensive than others. True, if something costs £100 to buy your not going to spend £80 to get it fixed The £100 item will last 5 times longer than the item that only costs £20. It isn’t that simple. I think it is a very good idea but it will obviously push up the price of goods but will hopefully improve quality. Sounds like you've changed to pro brexit now, good "https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/eu-right-repair-technology-decade-b1809408.html%3famp I think it is good news that the UK has decided follow the EUs rules on right to repair. I am glad that you agree with the EU, good to see Chris, | |||
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"You get what you pay for. There is a reason items that do the same thing are more expensive than others. True, if something costs £100 to buy your not going to spend £80 to get it fixed The £100 item will last 5 times longer than the item that only costs £20. It isn’t that simple. I think it is a very good idea but it will obviously push up the price of goods but will hopefully improve quality. " The reason the £100 item lasts 5 times longer is more often than not the quality of the components used inside. The £20 manufacturer doesn't care if the item lasts only a very short time - It does the thing it is supposed to do. Their manufacture cost are very low and the profit has been achieved. Over the years we have been pushed towards the mindset of buy cheap, it doesn't matter if it breaks quickly, I'll buy another. This is actually our own doing - everyone loves a bargain, and wants everything as cheap as possible. This is now the point where, due to "environmental considerations" that mindset will be changing. Will Right to Repair be an effective way of doing this, I don't know. It will depend on the regulations and how the manufacturer will be expected to support the consumer in order to meet the requirements. | |||
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"You get what you pay for. There is a reason items that do the same thing are more expensive than others. True, if something costs £100 to buy your not going to spend £80 to get it fixed The £100 item will last 5 times longer than the item that only costs £20. It isn’t that simple. I think it is a very good idea but it will obviously push up the price of goods but will hopefully improve quality. The reason the £100 item lasts 5 times longer is more often than not the quality of the components used inside. The £20 manufacturer doesn't care if the item lasts only a very short time - It does the thing it is supposed to do. Their manufacture cost are very low and the profit has been achieved. Over the years we have been pushed towards the mindset of buy cheap, it doesn't matter if it breaks quickly, I'll buy another. This is actually our own doing - everyone loves a bargain, and wants everything as cheap as possible. This is now the point where, due to "environmental considerations" that mindset will be changing. Will Right to Repair be an effective way of doing this, I don't know. It will depend on the regulations and how the manufacturer will be expected to support the consumer in order to meet the requirements." I agree, but it’s not as simple as stating that something that costs £100 lasts 5 times as long as something that costs £20. There is too many shitty electrical on sale , I am glad that the EU have created new legislation to tackle this issue and the UK have followed their lead | |||
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"You get what you pay for. There is a reason items that do the same thing are more expensive than others. True, if something costs £100 to buy your not going to spend £80 to get it fixed The £100 item will last 5 times longer than the item that only costs £20. It isn’t that simple. I think it is a very good idea but it will obviously push up the price of goods but will hopefully improve quality. The reason the £100 item lasts 5 times longer is more often than not the quality of the components used inside. The £20 manufacturer doesn't care if the item lasts only a very short time - It does the thing it is supposed to do. Their manufacture cost are very low and the profit has been achieved. Over the years we have been pushed towards the mindset of buy cheap, it doesn't matter if it breaks quickly, I'll buy another. This is actually our own doing - everyone loves a bargain, and wants everything as cheap as possible. This is now the point where, due to "environmental considerations" that mindset will be changing. Will Right to Repair be an effective way of doing this, I don't know. It will depend on the regulations and how the manufacturer will be expected to support the consumer in order to meet the requirements. I agree, but it’s not as simple as stating that something that costs £100 lasts 5 times as long as something that costs £20. There is too many shitty electrical on sale , I am glad that the EU have created new legislation to tackle this issue and the UK have followed their lead " Which comes back to the first point I made - you get what you pay for. It is perhaps a false expectation on the part of the consumer to think a £20 item will be of the same quality as the £100 one. Fewer cheap electricals in the market place is a good thing, but the retail environment isn't set up to encourage that. | |||
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" Same as claiming the EU has a right to repair law when it doesn't. Neither does the UK, " Going by what I've just read on multiple news websites the EU's right to repair law came into effect 1st March 2021. The UK is following suit later in the year and only then will anyone be able to compare the scope that each version of the law "EU or UK's" offers its citizens. | |||
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" Same as claiming the EU has a right to repair law when it doesn't. Neither does the UK, Going by what I've just read on multiple news websites the EU's right to repair law came into effect 1st March 2021. The UK is following suit later in the year and only then will anyone be able to compare the scope that each version of the law "EU or UK's" offers its citizens. " Another embarrassment for the OP | |||
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" Same as claiming the EU has a right to repair law when it doesn't. Neither does the UK, Going by what I've just read on multiple news websites the EU's right to repair law came into effect 1st March 2021. The UK is following suit later in the year and only then will anyone be able to compare the scope that each version of the law "EU or UK's" offers its citizens. Another embarrassment for the OP "You've been given the link ITT showing that the EU does not have right to repair Can't help you with reading comprehension | |||
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" Same as claiming the EU has a right to repair law when it doesn't. Neither does the UK, Going by what I've just read on multiple news websites the EU's right to repair law came into effect 1st March 2021. The UK is following suit later in the year and only then will anyone be able to compare the scope that each version of the law "EU or UK's" offers its citizens. Another embarrassment for the OP "The UK has to fall in line with the EU or the goods can't be exported to the EU. Not that we'll be doing much exporting on going. | |||
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" Same as claiming the EU has a right to repair law when it doesn't. Neither does the UK, Going by what I've just read on multiple news websites the EU's right to repair law came into effect 1st March 2021. The UK is following suit later in the year and only then will anyone be able to compare the scope that each version of the law "EU or UK's" offers its citizens. Another embarrassment for the OP
The UK has to fall in line with the EU or the goods can't be exported to the EU. Not that we'll be doing much exporting on going."Exactly, we had to follow their rules, Chris is getting confused again | |||
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" Same as claiming the EU has a right to repair law when it doesn't. Neither does the UK, Going by what I've just read on multiple news websites the EU's right to repair law came into effect 1st March 2021. The UK is following suit later in the year and only then will anyone be able to compare the scope that each version of the law "EU or UK's" offers its citizens. Another embarrassment for the OP
The UK has to fall in line with the EU or the goods can't be exported to the EU. Not that we'll be doing much exporting on going.
Exactly, we had to follow their rules, Chris is getting confused again "Nonsense, Portugal and Germany have already turned to us for assistance. I can foresee BSI standards being implemented across Europe, our soft power is well respected. They should start using our domestic 3 pin plugs as well rather than the rubbish Brussels has inflicted on them. | |||
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" Same as claiming the EU has a right to repair law when it doesn't. Neither does the UK, Going by what I've just read on multiple news websites the EU's right to repair law came into effect 1st March 2021. The UK is following suit later in the year and only then will anyone be able to compare the scope that each version of the law "EU or UK's" offers its citizens. Another embarrassment for the OP
The UK has to fall in line with the EU or the goods can't be exported to the EU. Not that we'll be doing much exporting on going.
Exactly, we had to follow their rules, Chris is getting confused again
Nonsense, Portugal and Germany have already turned to us for assistance. I can foresee BSI standards being implemented across Europe, our soft power is well respected.
They should start using our domestic 3 pin plugs as well rather than the rubbish Brussels has inflicted on them. "Not quite the case. | |||
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"oh dear. https://repair.eu/news/new-ecodesign-regulations-5-reasons-europe-still-doesnt-have-the-right-to-repair/" This link is only an opinion on what that repair website wants to see included in the law. The Right to Repair EU Law exists as of 1st March 2021. This is a 100% verifiable fact. Just because you or others don't think the regulation currently goes far enough means zero in this instance. Oh dear! | |||
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" Same as claiming the EU has a right to repair law when it doesn't. Neither does the UK, Going by what I've just read on multiple news websites the EU's right to repair law came into effect 1st March 2021. The UK is following suit later in the year and only then will anyone be able to compare the scope that each version of the law "EU or UK's" offers its citizens. Another embarrassment for the OP
You've been given the link ITT showing that the EU does not have right to repair
Can't help you with reading comprehension "Really Oh dear! | |||
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"oh dear. https://repair.eu/news/new-ecodesign-regulations-5-reasons-europe-still-doesnt-have-the-right-to-repair/ This link is only an opinion on what that repair website wants to see included in the law. The Right to Repair EU Law exists as of 1st March 2021. This is a 100% verifiable fact. Just because you or others don't think the regulation currently goes far enough means zero in this instance. Oh dear! "No, the EU regulation you are referring to is not even called Right to Repair, that's your first clue. It's called Ecodesign and is more to do with what I said, German manufacturers representatives implementing only those tests that favour their designs over, say, Dyson. | |||
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"oh dear. https://repair.eu/news/new-ecodesign-regulations-5-reasons-europe-still-doesnt-have-the-right-to-repair/ This link is only an opinion on what that repair website wants to see included in the law. The Right to Repair EU Law exists as of 1st March 2021. This is a 100% verifiable fact. Just because you or others don't think the regulation currently goes far enough means zero in this instance. Oh dear!
No, the EU regulation you are referring to is not even called Right to Repair, that's your first clue. It's called Ecodesign and is more to do with what I said, German manufacturers representatives implementing only those tests that favour their designs over, say, Dyson.
"thats not quite the case eco design regulations have at their heart the idea of reducing environmental waste from the start, the design process. You design in sustainability, you design out obselence (?sp) As CDM is to safety, ecodesign is to sustainable economic growth. It started in 2015. It has nothing to do the imlementation of tests, German manufacturers or Dyson | |||
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"i must have dreamt that i have repaired thousands of things over the last 30 years. either that or i'm very good at evading interpol and their arrest warrant for 'aggrivated mending of household and other items' for such an extended period." Thank god for Brexit, I can legally get my washing machine fixed now, | |||
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"i must have dreamt that i have repaired thousands of things over the last 30 years. either that or i'm very good at evading interpol and their arrest warrant for 'aggrivated mending of household and other items' for such an extended period. Thank god for Brexit, I can legally get my washing machine fixed now, "Brexit, good for (money ) laundering? | |||
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"i must have dreamt that i have repaired thousands of things over the last 30 years. either that or i'm very good at evading interpol and their arrest warrant for 'aggrivated mending of household and other items' for such an extended period. Thank god for Brexit, I can legally get my washing machine fixed now,
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"oh dear. https://repair.eu/news/new-ecodesign-regulations-5-reasons-europe-still-doesnt-have-the-right-to-repair/ This link is only an opinion on what that repair website wants to see included in the law. The Right to Repair EU Law exists as of 1st March 2021. This is a 100% verifiable fact. Just because you or others don't think the regulation currently goes far enough means zero in this instance. Oh dear!
No, the EU regulation you are referring to is not even called Right to Repair, that's your first clue. It's called Ecodesign and is more to do with what I said, German manufacturers representatives implementing only those tests that favour their designs over, say, Dyson.
"Right to repair has been the standard terminology used here including yourself. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49884827 The new rules apply from April 2021 apparently on the BBC link. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/eu-right-repair-technology-decade-b1809408.html The Independent reports the EU Right to Repair rules came into effect 1st March. https://repair.eu/news/new-ecodesign-regulations-5-reasons-europe-still-doesnt-have-the-right-to-repair/ This is probably your favourite link becausethey say it isn't a right to repair yet, but it still has the same underlying message that it is a right to repair. " New Ecodesign regulations: 5 reasons Europe still doesn’t have the Right to Repair" Right, let's explore this link a bit. " Today marks an important day for repair in Europe. Four types of electrical appliances will have to be made more easily repairable and longer-lasting following the entry into force of new EU Ecodesign measures. The new measures will apply to washing machines, dishwashers, fridges and displays (including TVs) across Europe while similar rules for servers and welders came into force earlier this year. While these new rules are an important step as the first ever regulations on repair for electronic and electrical devices, they do not mean that we have the Right to Repair in Europe. Yet. 1. Limited application The regulations coming into force today only apply to new models of household appliances 2. Restricted access of some spare parts and repair manuals to professional repairers While new Ecodesign rules might be a turning point when it comes to repair, this might benefit primarily professional repairers. 3. Long delivery time of spare parts 4. Unaddressed software issues 5. Pricing and authorised bundling of spare parts " I couldn't be bothered to paraphrase the rest but you should be able to understand the general idea by now that you're unfortunately totally wrong on this topic. | |||
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"oh dear. https://repair.eu/news/new-ecodesign-regulations-5-reasons-europe-still-doesnt-have-the-right-to-repair/ This link is only an opinion on what that repair website wants to see included in the law. The Right to Repair EU Law exists as of 1st March 2021. This is a 100% verifiable fact. Just because you or others don't think the regulation currently goes far enough means zero in this instance. Oh dear!
No, the EU regulation you are referring to is not even called Right to Repair, that's your first clue. It's called Ecodesign and is more to do with what I said, German manufacturers representatives implementing only those tests that favour their designs over, say, Dyson.
Right to repair has been the standard terminology used here including yourself.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49884827
The new rules apply from April 2021 apparently on the BBC link.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/eu-right-repair-technology-decade-b1809408.html
The Independent reports the EU Right to Repair rules came into effect 1st March.
https://repair.eu/news/new-ecodesign-regulations-5-reasons-europe-still-doesnt-have-the-right-to-repair/
This is probably your favourite link becausethey say it isn't a right to repair yet, but it still has the same underlying message that it is a right to repair.
New Ecodesign regulations: 5 reasons Europe still doesn’t have the Right to Repair
Right, let's explore this link a bit.
Today marks an important day for repair in Europe. Four types of electrical appliances will have to be made more easily repairable and longer-lasting following the entry into force of new EU Ecodesign measures.
The new measures will apply to washing machines, dishwashers, fridges and displays (including TVs) across Europe while similar rules for servers and welders came into force earlier this year.
While these new rules are an important step as the first ever regulations on repair for electronic and electrical devices, they do not mean that we have the Right to Repair in Europe. Yet.
1. Limited application
The regulations coming into force today only apply to new models of household appliances
2. Restricted access of some spare parts and repair manuals to professional repairers
While new Ecodesign rules might be a turning point when it comes to repair, this might benefit primarily professional repairers.
3. Long delivery time of spare parts
4. Unaddressed software issues
5. Pricing and authorised bundling of spare parts
I couldn't be bothered to paraphrase the rest but you should be able to understand the general idea by now that you're unfortunately totally wrong on this topic.
"Nope. I always refer to primary legislation documents, you have just quoted an article - the legislation introduction reads: "There are certain products that must comply with minimum requirements related to energy efficiency. These are called ecodesign requirements and the aim is to reduce the negative environmental impact throughout the product's lifecycle. Before you place this type of product on the EU market you must ensure that they comply with these rules. The product types currently covered by these rules are those that use energy (boilers, computers, household appliances etc.). You can see the full list below:" Exactly as I said, primarily energy usage requirements fixed by German manufacturers. I'm a specialist. | |||
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"The manufacturers will put high prices on parts to make it uneconomical to repair
Lightbulbs were always capable of lasting much longer but where’s the profit in that
Exactly, and the cost of some electrical goods is so low it would be cheaper to buy new than pay for repairs, theoretically it is a great idea but practically it won’t work "This is more for stuff like Iphones where Apple refuses to allow third party vendors to fix their stuff. https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup/videos This is guy is NY based but does excellent videos on right to repair | |||
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"They should start using our domestic 3 pin plugs as well rather than the rubbish Brussels has inflicted on them. How do you work that out then? Who are these wonderful UK owned producers?" Seriously? Wandsworth? Hamilton? MK Electric? | |||
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"They should start using our domestic 3 pin plugs as well rather than the rubbish Brussels has inflicted on them. How do you work that out then? Who are these wonderful UK owned producers? Seriously? Wandsworth? Hamilton? MK Electric? " PMSL, Apple & Samsung must be shitting themselves | |||
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"Some more comedy self trolling today. Good hustle. Don't need to add anything here really other than to thank you for the comedy." It has been top notch. Claim that the UK have introduced legislation because of Brexit, find out it’s actually EU legislation and it’s not been implemented yet . Then suggest that the EU should revert to 3 pinned plugs and then name 3 tiny British electrical manufactures and claim they are globally significant. Bravo | |||
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"Some more comedy self trolling today. Good hustle. Don't need to add anything here really other than to thank you for the comedy. It has been top notch. Claim that the UK have introduced legislation because of Brexit, find out it’s actually EU legislation and it’s not been implemented yet . Then suggest that the EU should revert to 3 pinned plugs and then name 3 tiny British electrical manufactures and claim they are globally significant. Bravo " The ignorance is truly astonishing | |||
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"Some more comedy self trolling today. Good hustle. Don't need to add anything here really other than to thank you for the comedy. It has been top notch. Claim that the UK have introduced legislation because of Brexit, find out it’s actually EU legislation and it’s not been implemented yet . Then suggest that the EU should revert to 3 pinned plugs and then name 3 tiny British electrical manufactures and claim they are globally significant. Bravo The ignorance is truly astonishing" I know, you would have thought you would have learnt by now. It is a worrying trend, your acting like Piers Morgan and we all know how that ended | |||
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"Some more comedy self trolling today. Good hustle. Don't need to add anything here really other than to thank you for the comedy. It has been top notch. Claim that the UK have introduced legislation because of Brexit, find out it’s actually EU legislation and it’s not been implemented yet . Then suggest that the EU should revert to 3 pinned plugs and then name 3 tiny British electrical manufactures and claim they are globally significant. Bravo The ignorance is truly astonishing" We've been saying that for a while now. But don't change. Enjoy your continued self trolling. | |||
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"Some more comedy self trolling today. Good hustle. Don't need to add anything here really other than to thank you for the comedy. It has been top notch. Claim that the UK have introduced legislation because of Brexit, find out it’s actually EU legislation and it’s not been implemented yet . Then suggest that the EU should revert to 3 pinned plugs and then name 3 tiny British electrical manufactures and claim they are globally significant. Bravo " Mk Electric is quite a large company that is a Global supplier of components. | |||
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"Some more comedy self trolling today. Good hustle. Don't need to add anything here really other than to thank you for the comedy. It has been top notch. Claim that the UK have introduced legislation because of Brexit, find out it’s actually EU legislation and it’s not been implemented yet . Then suggest that the EU should revert to 3 pinned plugs and then name 3 tiny British electrical manufactures and claim they are globally significant. Bravo Mk Electric is quite a large company that is a Global supplier of components. " It is tiny | |||
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"oh dear. https://repair.eu/news/new-ecodesign-regulations-5-reasons-europe-still-doesnt-have-the-right-to-repair/ This link is only an opinion on what that repair website wants to see included in the law. The Right to Repair EU Law exists as of 1st March 2021. This is a 100% verifiable fact. Just because you or others don't think the regulation currently goes far enough means zero in this instance. Oh dear!
No, the EU regulation you are referring to is not even called Right to Repair, that's your first clue. It's called Ecodesign and is more to do with what I said, German manufacturers representatives implementing only those tests that favour their designs over, say, Dyson.
Right to repair has been the standard terminology used here including yourself.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49884827
The new rules apply from April 2021 apparently on the BBC link.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/eu-right-repair-technology-decade-b1809408.html
The Independent reports the EU Right to Repair rules came into effect 1st March.
https://repair.eu/news/new-ecodesign-regulations-5-reasons-europe-still-doesnt-have-the-right-to-repair/
This is probably your favourite link becausethey say it isn't a right to repair yet, but it still has the same underlying message that it is a right to repair.
New Ecodesign regulations: 5 reasons Europe still doesn’t have the Right to Repair
Right, let's explore this link a bit.
Today marks an important day for repair in Europe. Four types of electrical appliances will have to be made more easily repairable and longer-lasting following the entry into force of new EU Ecodesign measures.
The new measures will apply to washing machines, dishwashers, fridges and displays (including TVs) across Europe while similar rules for servers and welders came into force earlier this year.
While these new rules are an important step as the first ever regulations on repair for electronic and electrical devices, they do not mean that we have the Right to Repair in Europe. Yet.
1. Limited application
The regulations coming into force today only apply to new models of household appliances
2. Restricted access of some spare parts and repair manuals to professional repairers
While new Ecodesign rules might be a turning point when it comes to repair, this might benefit primarily professional repairers.
3. Long delivery time of spare parts
4. Unaddressed software issues
5. Pricing and authorised bundling of spare parts
I couldn't be bothered to paraphrase the rest but you should be able to understand the general idea by now that you're unfortunately totally wrong on this topic.
Nope.
I always refer to primary legislation documents, you have just quoted an article - the legislation introduction reads:
"There are certain products that must comply with minimum requirements related to energy efficiency. These are called ecodesign requirements and the aim is to reduce the negative environmental impact throughout the product's lifecycle.
Before you place this type of product on the EU market you must ensure that they comply with these rules.
The product types currently covered by these rules are those that use energy (boilers, computers, household appliances etc.). You can see the full list below:"
Exactly as I said, primarily energy usage requirements fixed by German manufacturers.
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"oh dear. https://repair.eu/news/new-ecodesign-regulations-5-reasons-europe-still-doesnt-have-the-right-to-repair/ This link is only an opinion on what that repair website wants to see included in the law. The Right to Repair EU Law exists as of 1st March 2021. This is a 100% verifiable fact. Just because you or others don't think the regulation currently goes far enough means zero in this instance. Oh dear!
No, the EU regulation you are referring to is not even called Right to Repair, that's your first clue. It's called Ecodesign and is more to do with what I said, German manufacturers representatives implementing only those tests that favour their designs over, say, Dyson.
Right to repair has been the standard terminology used here including yourself.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49884827
The new rules apply from April 2021 apparently on the BBC link.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/eu-right-repair-technology-decade-b1809408.html
The Independent reports the EU Right to Repair rules came into effect 1st March.
https://repair.eu/news/new-ecodesign-regulations-5-reasons-europe-still-doesnt-have-the-right-to-repair/
This is probably your favourite link becausethey say it isn't a right to repair yet, but it still has the same underlying message that it is a right to repair.
New Ecodesign regulations: 5 reasons Europe still doesn’t have the Right to Repair
Right, let's explore this link a bit.
Today marks an important day for repair in Europe. Four types of electrical appliances will have to be made more easily repairable and longer-lasting following the entry into force of new EU Ecodesign measures.
The new measures will apply to washing machines, dishwashers, fridges and displays (including TVs) across Europe while similar rules for servers and welders came into force earlier this year.
While these new rules are an important step as the first ever regulations on repair for electronic and electrical devices, they do not mean that we have the Right to Repair in Europe. Yet.
1. Limited application
The regulations coming into force today only apply to new models of household appliances
2. Restricted access of some spare parts and repair manuals to professional repairers
While new Ecodesign rules might be a turning point when it comes to repair, this might benefit primarily professional repairers.
3. Long delivery time of spare parts
4. Unaddressed software issues
5. Pricing and authorised bundling of spare parts
I couldn't be bothered to paraphrase the rest but you should be able to understand the general idea by now that you're unfortunately totally wrong on this topic.
Nope.
I always refer to primary legislation documents, you have just quoted an article - the legislation introduction reads:
"There are certain products that must comply with minimum requirements related to energy efficiency. These are called ecodesign requirements and the aim is to reduce the negative environmental impact throughout the product's lifecycle.
Before you place this type of product on the EU market you must ensure that they comply with these rules.
The product types currently covered by these rules are those that use energy (boilers, computers, household appliances etc.). You can see the full list below:"
Exactly as I said, primarily energy usage requirements fixed by German manufacturers.
I'm a specialist.
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"I am waiting on a replacement handle for our Tefal ActiFry. It is one of the few models where they have no stock in the U.K. and are awaiting delivery from France. Unfortunately, the logistics chain and administrative requirements since Jan 01st have all but stopped shipments between the two countries. I have had this £8.35 replacement part on back order since mid Feb and Mrs H said that if it hasn’t come by Friday (tomorrow) we would just buy another ActiFry for at least £120 for the basic one. £120 minimum because a Brexit fuck up is holding up the shipments of £8.35 replacement handles...." Lol bet you loved it when they told you they had no stock Ooh ohh that’s Brexit ooh ooh Lol Tefal is the actual problem here, clearly. And just make a blooming handle for heavens sake. | |||
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"I am waiting on a replacement handle for our Tefal ActiFry. It is one of the few models where they have no stock in the U.K. and are awaiting delivery from France. Unfortunately, the logistics chain and administrative requirements since Jan 01st have all but stopped shipments between the two countries. I have had this £8.35 replacement part on back order since mid Feb and Mrs H said that if it hasn’t come by Friday (tomorrow) we would just buy another ActiFry for at least £120 for the basic one. £120 minimum because a Brexit fuck up is holding up the shipments of £8.35 replacement handles...." Not sure if you checked but there is an abundance of Tefal genuine replacement parts on Amazon and Ebay. When disassembling my Dyson recently I broke a plastic part. 10 minutes later on Amazon, part identified, checked its genuine, ordered with Prime and arrived next day. Internet is a brilliant thing | |||
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"I am waiting on a replacement handle for our Tefal ActiFry. It is one of the few models where they have no stock in the U.K. and are awaiting delivery from France. Unfortunately, the logistics chain and administrative requirements since Jan 01st have all but stopped shipments between the two countries. I have had this £8.35 replacement part on back order since mid Feb and Mrs H said that if it hasn’t come by Friday (tomorrow) we would just buy another ActiFry for at least £120 for the basic one. £120 minimum because a Brexit fuck up is holding up the shipments of £8.35 replacement handles.... Not sure if you checked but there is an abundance of Tefal genuine replacement parts on Amazon and Ebay. When disassembling my Dyson recently I broke a plastic part. 10 minutes later on Amazon, part identified, checked its genuine, ordered with Prime and arrived next day. Internet is a brilliant thing "Yes - of course I checked. If you really can be arsed looking, you will see that for whatever reason there are countless different product codes because they modify/change designs often. I have literally spent hours over the last month trying to source the correct handle. | |||
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"I am waiting on a replacement handle for our Tefal ActiFry. It is one of the few models where they have no stock in the U.K. and are awaiting delivery from France. Unfortunately, the logistics chain and administrative requirements since Jan 01st have all but stopped shipments between the two countries. I have had this £8.35 replacement part on back order since mid Feb and Mrs H said that if it hasn’t come by Friday (tomorrow) we would just buy another ActiFry for at least £120 for the basic one. £120 minimum because a Brexit fuck up is holding up the shipments of £8.35 replacement handles.... Not sure if you checked but there is an abundance of Tefal genuine replacement parts on Amazon and Ebay. When disassembling my Dyson recently I broke a plastic part. 10 minutes later on Amazon, part identified, checked its genuine, ordered with Prime and arrived next day. Internet is a brilliant thing
Yes - of course I checked. If you really can be arsed looking, you will see that for whatever reason there are countless different product codes because they modify/change designs often.
I have literally spent hours over the last month trying to source the correct handle."Write..... to...... Tefal........ | |||
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"I am waiting on a replacement handle for our Tefal ActiFry. It is one of the few models where they have no stock in the U.K. and are awaiting delivery from France. Unfortunately, the logistics chain and administrative requirements since Jan 01st have all but stopped shipments between the two countries. I have had this £8.35 replacement part on back order since mid Feb and Mrs H said that if it hasn’t come by Friday (tomorrow) we would just buy another ActiFry for at least £120 for the basic one. £120 minimum because a Brexit fuck up is holding up the shipments of £8.35 replacement handles.... Not sure if you checked but there is an abundance of Tefal genuine replacement parts on Amazon and Ebay. When disassembling my Dyson recently I broke a plastic part. 10 minutes later on Amazon, part identified, checked its genuine, ordered with Prime and arrived next day. Internet is a brilliant thing
Yes - of course I checked. If you really can be arsed looking, you will see that for whatever reason there are countless different product codes because they modify/change designs often.
I have literally spent hours over the last month trying to source the correct handle.
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"I am waiting on a replacement handle for our Tefal ActiFry. It is one of the few models where they have no stock in the U.K. and are awaiting delivery from France. Unfortunately, the logistics chain and administrative requirements since Jan 01st have all but stopped shipments between the two countries. I have had this £8.35 replacement part on back order since mid Feb and Mrs H said that if it hasn’t come by Friday (tomorrow) we would just buy another ActiFry for at least £120 for the basic one. £120 minimum because a Brexit fuck up is holding up the shipments of £8.35 replacement handles.... Not sure if you checked but there is an abundance of Tefal genuine replacement parts on Amazon and Ebay. When disassembling my Dyson recently I broke a plastic part. 10 minutes later on Amazon, part identified, checked its genuine, ordered with Prime and arrived next day. Internet is a brilliant thing
Yes - of course I checked. If you really can be arsed looking, you will see that for whatever reason there are countless different product codes because they modify/change designs often.
I have literally spent hours over the last month trying to source the correct handle."I found the same issue with Dyson parts - and yes it is important to check the part code. HK is a good source of parts, but that takes a bit more care in selecting the supplier. Which model do you have ? | |||
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"On the basis that the Tefal French product is a Group SEB brand and the majority of their products are produced in China I would love to know who these wonderful British producers are. " There's loads made here actually We find Samuel Groves to be very high quality, and some of the Dualit products are great as well. Nothing wrong with buying from other parts of the Empire as well of course. | |||
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" Which model do you have ? YV960140" SS-993219 is the part number, yes? Lots of the parts dealers showing this not just as "out of stock" but actually as "Discontinued" There is however one seller on eBay - actifryman - who is showing as having more than 10 available, located in UK and delivery by Thursday 18th. Price - is £28.99. Inflated probably because he knows his Actifrys and knows the part is in short supply/ possibly discontinued. Ok, its not £8.10, but then its a lot less than you possibly paying another £100+ This is possibly information already known to you, but if not hope it helps
And I guess the original point about this part - it doesn't really suggest Brexit is responsible for a manufacturer part being on short supply/possibly discontinued  | |||
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" Which model do you have ? YV960140 SS-993219 is the part number, yes? Lots of the parts dealers showing this not just as "out of stock" but actually as "Discontinued" There is however one seller on eBay - actifryman - who is showing as having more than 10 available, located in UK and delivery by Thursday 18th. Price - is £28.99. Inflated probably because he knows his Actifrys and knows the part is in short supply/ possibly discontinued. Ok, its not £8.10, but then its a lot less than you possibly paying another £100+ This is possibly information already known to you, but if not hope it helps
And I guess the original point about this part - it doesn't really suggest Brexit is responsible for a manufacturer part being on short supply/possibly discontinued "Tefal are not saying discontinued, they have categorically assured me that these parts and (their words) thousands of others are held up in France because the components are manufactured in multiple external countries and sorted/despatched from France. The French seem to be having issues complying with U.K. rules, even though they are not being enforced at the moment. I guess no big company wants to be seen to be breaking rules. | |||
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" Which model do you have ? YV960140 SS-993219 is the part number, yes? Lots of the parts dealers showing this not just as "out of stock" but actually as "Discontinued" There is however one seller on eBay - actifryman - who is showing as having more than 10 available, located in UK and delivery by Thursday 18th. Price - is £28.99. Inflated probably because he knows his Actifrys and knows the part is in short supply/ possibly discontinued. Ok, its not £8.10, but then its a lot less than you possibly paying another £100+ This is possibly information already known to you, but if not hope it helps
And I guess the original point about this part - it doesn't really suggest Brexit is responsible for a manufacturer part being on short supply/possibly discontinued
Tefal are not saying discontinued, they have categorically assured me that these parts and (their words) thousands of others are held up in France because the components are manufactured in multiple external countries and sorted/despatched from France. The French seem to be having issues complying with U.K. rules, even though they are not being enforced at the moment. I guess no big company wants to be seen to be breaking rules. "I only mentioned the "discontinued" notion as some of the large parts suppliers e.g partsmaster.co.uk show this as "no longer available". The Tefal site itself is showing as "email me when back in stock" Seems strange that if the French Tefal hub are waiting for the part to come in from the factory in lets say China or India then this ultimately has nothing to do with the arrangements between EU and UK. So the problem isn't so much they have the part and they can't send it to you, but more to do with they don't have the part. Anyway if you really want this part then Actifryman appears to have UK stock ready to send... and I also note that Tefal charge £10.50 7 day delivery charge. So I guess if you buy from actifryman now at £28.99 your handle is only going to cost an additional £10.39. | |||
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" Which model do you have ? YV960140 SS-993219 is the part number, yes? Lots of the parts dealers showing this not just as "out of stock" but actually as "Discontinued" There is however one seller on eBay - actifryman - who is showing as having more than 10 available, located in UK and delivery by Thursday 18th. Price - is £28.99. Inflated probably because he knows his Actifrys and knows the part is in short supply/ possibly discontinued. Ok, its not £8.10, but then its a lot less than you possibly paying another £100+ This is possibly information already known to you, but if not hope it helps
And I guess the original point about this part - it doesn't really suggest Brexit is responsible for a manufacturer part being on short supply/possibly discontinued
Tefal are not saying discontinued, they have categorically assured me that these parts and (their words) thousands of others are held up in France because the components are manufactured in multiple external countries and sorted/despatched from France. The French seem to be having issues complying with U.K. rules, even though they are not being enforced at the moment. I guess no big company wants to be seen to be breaking rules.
I only mentioned the "discontinued" notion as some of the large parts suppliers e.g partsmaster.co.uk show this as "no longer available". The Tefal site itself is showing as "email me when back in stock"
Seems strange that if the French Tefal hub are waiting for the part to come in from the factory in lets say China or India then this ultimately has nothing to do with the arrangements between EU and UK.
So the problem isn't so much they have the part and they can't send it to you, but more to do with they don't have the part.
Anyway if you really want this part then Actifryman appears to have UK stock ready to send... and I also note that Tefal charge £10.50 7 day delivery charge. So I guess if you buy from actifryman now at £28.99 your handle is only going to cost an additional £10.39.
"I haven’t seen that ad. I did find one on eBay who wanted £49.99 because (he said) it was the only one in the country. I will check out Actifyman. Thanks | |||
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