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"I hear you and clearly a higher settlement is deserved. However, they are the only public sector workers to get a rise at all (firefighters, police etc have been frozen again) so there us a small acknowledgement of their status. Additionally, furlough is continuing beyond the originally planned dates which costs money. Vaccines are being paid for, which costs money. I would love NHS staff to be getting a much higher offer, I am just not sure where the money would come from." Firefighters, police etc were given a pay increase last year while nurses weren’t. Shouldn’t the NHS be £350 million a week better off now anyway, I’m sure I read it on a bus somewhere! | |||
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"Shouldn’t the NHS be £350 million a week better off now anyway, I’m sure I read it on a bus somewhere!" | |||
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"Furlough is great in that it’s allowing people to continue their lives during lockdown, but it’s pretty frustrating to work hard all through the pandemic whilst others put their feet up, then be taxed to pay for it afterwards. " Agree with you totally, i think those that worked through it should not be taxed more but those who where furloughed should have a slightly higher tax code to pay for there year off | |||
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"Furlough is great in that it’s allowing people to continue their lives during lockdown, but it’s pretty frustrating to work hard all through the pandemic whilst others put their feet up, then be taxed to pay for it afterwards. " I too have worked through, being considered "key". I am quite sure the majority in furlough would have much preferred to have continued to earn their full salary than 'put their feet up'. Many many public sector frontline key workers have taken risks and been exposed. All deserve to be recognised, and by far and away at the top of that list is the NHS. Of course they should get more. T The question remains, in a nation whose citizens protest against paying tax, where does the money come from? | |||
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"I hear you and clearly a higher settlement is deserved. However, they are the only public sector workers to get a rise at all (firefighters, police etc have been frozen again) so there us a small acknowledgement of their status. Additionally, furlough is continuing beyond the originally planned dates which costs money. Vaccines are being paid for, which costs money. I would love NHS staff to be getting a much higher offer, I am just not sure where the money would come from. Firefighters, police etc were given a pay increase last year while nurses weren’t. Shouldn’t the NHS be £350 million a week better off now anyway, I’m sure I read it on a bus somewhere!" That is incorrect. 1st April 2020 marked the start of the third and final year of the three year deal agreed by the NHS Council in 2018. | |||
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"Furlough is great in that it’s allowing people to continue their lives during lockdown, but it’s pretty frustrating to work hard all through the pandemic whilst others put their feet up, then be taxed to pay for it afterwards. I too have worked through, being considered "key". I am quite sure the majority in furlough would have much preferred to have continued to earn their full salary than 'put their feet up'. Many many public sector frontline key workers have taken risks and been exposed. All deserve to be recognised, and by far and away at the top of that list is the NHS. Of course they should get more. T The question remains, in a nation whose citizens protest against paying tax, where does the money come from?" The thing it’s not just public sector workers that are key workers & have worked through this taking risk. Why is it the NHS should be at the top of the list? Yes the ones at the coal face taking more risk, but let’s be honest not all have taken as big a risk as is being made out. There are plenty of NHS staff that don’t work in hospitals or doctors surgery’s etc, but in office blocks, there’s well over a million people working for the NHS it’s one of the world’s largest employers not all can claim to be front line staff x | |||
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"Furlough is great in that it’s allowing people to continue their lives during lockdown, but it’s pretty frustrating to work hard all through the pandemic whilst others put their feet up, then be taxed to pay for it afterwards. I too have worked through, being considered "key". I am quite sure the majority in furlough would have much preferred to have continued to earn their full salary than 'put their feet up'. Many many public sector frontline key workers have taken risks and been exposed. All deserve to be recognised, and by far and away at the top of that list is the NHS. Of course they should get more. T The question remains, in a nation whose citizens protest against paying tax, where does the money come from?" Trident Hs2 Asking amazon to pay their fair share of tax | |||
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"Firstly let me say that the news today hasn’t surprised me at all. I know that there are plenty of other people who have lost their jobs and been put on short hours or less pay so how can we possibly moan. I know that there have been other key workers who feel that they deserve recognition as well for working through the entire pandemic. What I will say though is that I feel that we have just been forgotten about again. At the start of the pandemic I was moved from my normal duties and literally given a crash course in itu and placed in a position that I never thought that I would ever have to be in. It was a very rare occurrence in my position to witness somebody die, all of a sudden I was in a helpless position of trying to comfort people and watch them slowly struggle and die in front of me without being able to say goodbye to their loved ones. If that wasn’t awful enough day after day we also didn’t know if we were endangering ourselves and our family. The early weeks and months when little was known about the disease you couldn’t help but fear wether you would catch it yourself and how it would affect you and your loved ones. I used to drive home and keep my family at arms length until I had changed my clothes and showered, you couldn’t help but be paranoid. Of course some of my colleagues did catch it, some struggled and never returned to work. We were constantly short staffed as there were always a number of staff off self isolating. I always loved my job but I was dreading every day when I had to go to work. My shifts became longer and my days off were few and far between. It’s getting better now but it’s not quite back to normal and the things that I have seen and had to deal with over the past 12 months will never be forgotten, not by me anyway. Do I deserve a pay rise for what I’ve been through over the last year, I don’t know really as I was just doing my job. "  
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"Firstly let me say that the news today hasn’t surprised me at all. I know that there are plenty of other people who have lost their jobs and been put on short hours or less pay so how can we possibly moan. I know that there have been other key workers who feel that they deserve recognition as well for working through the entire pandemic. What I will say though is that I feel that we have just been forgotten about again. At the start of the pandemic I was moved from my normal duties and literally given a crash course in itu and placed in a position that I never thought that I would ever have to be in. It was a very rare occurrence in my position to witness somebody die, all of a sudden I was in a helpless position of trying to comfort people and watch them slowly struggle and die in front of me without being able to say goodbye to their loved ones. If that wasn’t awful enough day after day we also didn’t know if we were endangering ourselves and our family. The early weeks and months when little was known about the disease you couldn’t help but fear wether you would catch it yourself and how it would affect you and your loved ones. I used to drive home and keep my family at arms length until I had changed my clothes and showered, you couldn’t help but be paranoid. Of course some of my colleagues did catch it, some struggled and never returned to work. We were constantly short staffed as there were always a number of staff off self isolating. I always loved my job but I was dreading every day when I had to go to work. My shifts became longer and my days off were few and far between. It’s getting better now but it’s not quite back to normal and the things that I have seen and had to deal with over the past 12 months will never be forgotten, not by me anyway. Do I deserve a pay rise for what I’ve been through over the last year, I don’t know really as I was just doing my job. " I appreciate both your massive efforts, and your brutal honesty. Thank you | |||
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"In response to the post that was aimed at me..getting paid for being off sick isnt a bonus. As for the pensions, that went to court and the gmnt were found to have acted illegally. I don't work for the nhs and I havent got a clue about these leasehold car thing. It certainly not a public sector wide thing. I also find it quite interesting you get all worked up the nhs getting a whipping 1%pay rise but are quite blade about the billions given to their mates in the ppe scandal. Bringing shipman into a debate about the NHS getting a pay rise is beyond contempt." You have said in a previous post your link to the NHS or implied it. The NHS where his employer & their responsibility & embarrassment, you celebrating deaths in other post is contemptible. Me saying that the NHS is not full of all deserving Angeles & saints is a fact of life & you always like facts Lionel, get over it as you said to me the other day. & when have you heard me defend miss spending of tax payer money, no you have heard me say it’s not Boris’s job to order PPE, & that the people who should of didn’t, yet you blame Boris, & want to reward their failure to do their job with a big pay rise. Id give them nothing & give it to the front line staff. | |||
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"In response to the post that was aimed at me..getting paid for being off sick isnt a bonus. As for the pensions, that went to court and the gmnt were found to have acted illegally. I don't work for the nhs and I havent got a clue about these leasehold car thing. It certainly not a public sector wide thing. I also find it quite interesting you get all worked up the nhs getting a whipping 1%pay rise but are quite blade about the billions given to their mates in the ppe scandal. Bringing shipman into a debate about the NHS getting a pay rise is beyond contempt. You have said in a previous post your link to the NHS or implied it. The NHS where his employer & their responsibility & embarrassment, you celebrating deaths in other post is contemptible. Me saying that the NHS is not full of all deserving Angeles & saints is a fact of life & you always like facts Lionel, get over it as you said to me the other day. & when have you heard me defend miss spending of tax payer money, no you have heard me say it’s not Boris’s job to order PPE, & that the people who should of didn’t, yet you blame Boris, & want to reward their failure to do their job with a big pay rise. Id give them nothing & give it to the front line staff. " When did I ever say they were? They employ 100'000s of people. I'm presuming you applaud no builders shouod ever get a rise because of fred west? | |||
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"In response to the post that was aimed at me..getting paid for being off sick isnt a bonus. As for the pensions, that went to court and the gmnt were found to have acted illegally. I don't work for the nhs and I havent got a clue about these leasehold car thing. It certainly not a public sector wide thing. I also find it quite interesting you get all worked up the nhs getting a whipping 1%pay rise but are quite blade about the billions given to their mates in the ppe scandal. Bringing shipman into a debate about the NHS getting a pay rise is beyond contempt. You have said in a previous post your link to the NHS or implied it. The NHS where his employer & their responsibility & embarrassment, you celebrating deaths in other post is contemptible. Me saying that the NHS is not full of all deserving Angeles & saints is a fact of life & you always like facts Lionel, get over it as you said to me the other day. & when have you heard me defend miss spending of tax payer money, no you have heard me say it’s not Boris’s job to order PPE, & that the people who should of didn’t, yet you blame Boris, & want to reward their failure to do their job with a big pay rise. Id give them nothing & give it to the front line staff. When did I ever say they were? They employ 100'000s of people. I'm presuming you applaud no builders shouod ever get a rise because of fred west?" Trouble is the NHS pay grade system fought for by the unions precludes picking specific jobs for pay rises. | |||
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"In response to the post that was aimed at me..getting paid for being off sick isnt a bonus. As for the pensions, that went to court and the gmnt were found to have acted illegally. I don't work for the nhs and I havent got a clue about these leasehold car thing. It certainly not a public sector wide thing. I also find it quite interesting you get all worked up the nhs getting a whipping 1%pay rise but are quite blade about the billions given to their mates in the ppe scandal. Bringing shipman into a debate about the NHS getting a pay rise is beyond contempt. You have said in a previous post your link to the NHS or implied it. The NHS where his employer & their responsibility & embarrassment, you celebrating deaths in other post is contemptible. Me saying that the NHS is not full of all deserving Angeles & saints is a fact of life & you always like facts Lionel, get over it as you said to me the other day. & when have you heard me defend miss spending of tax payer money, no you have heard me say it’s not Boris’s job to order PPE, & that the people who should of didn’t, yet you blame Boris, & want to reward their failure to do their job with a big pay rise. Id give them nothing & give it to the front line staff. When did I ever say they were? They employ 100'000s of people. I'm presuming you applaud no builders shouod ever get a rise because of fred west?" They employ over 1,1000,000 people well that was in 2016/17 that’s nearer 1,3000,000 possibly more in 2019/20 Lionel. Do we pay builders to build houses with tax money or do they work for private companies? How is that relevant to NHS pay? Don’t doctors & nurses take an oath to protect us. But if you want to bring Fred West into it, more to do with social services & the like they fucked up big time, government employees yet again.Take responsibility & own it, don’t take the wage & perks then blame others. | |||
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"In response to the post that was aimed at me..getting paid for being off sick isnt a bonus. As for the pensions, that went to court and the gmnt were found to have acted illegally. I don't work for the nhs and I havent got a clue about these leasehold car thing. It certainly not a public sector wide thing. I also find it quite interesting you get all worked up the nhs getting a whipping 1%pay rise but are quite blade about the billions given to their mates in the ppe scandal. Bringing shipman into a debate about the NHS getting a pay rise is beyond contempt. You have said in a previous post your link to the NHS or implied it. The NHS where his employer & their responsibility & embarrassment, you celebrating deaths in other post is contemptible. Me saying that the NHS is not full of all deserving Angeles & saints is a fact of life & you always like facts Lionel, get over it as you said to me the other day. & when have you heard me defend miss spending of tax payer money, no you have heard me say it’s not Boris’s job to order PPE, & that the people who should of didn’t, yet you blame Boris, & want to reward their failure to do their job with a big pay rise. Id give them nothing & give it to the front line staff. When did I ever say they were? They employ 100'000s of people. I'm presuming you applaud no builders shouod ever get a rise because of fred west? They employ over 1,1000,000 people well that was in 2016/17 that’s nearer 1,3000,000 possibly more in 2019/20 Lionel. Do we pay builders to build houses with tax money or do they work for private companies? How is that relevant to NHS pay? Don’t doctors & nurses take an oath to protect us. But if you want to bring Fred West into it, more to do with social services & the like they fucked up big time, government employees yet again.Take responsibility & own it, don’t take the wage & perks then blame others. " You brought harold shipman into a topic about the nhs getting a pay rise. I've literally no idea what the rest of your post is on about. | |||
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"In response to the post that was aimed at me..getting paid for being off sick isnt a bonus. As for the pensions, that went to court and the gmnt were found to have acted illegally. I don't work for the nhs and I havent got a clue about these leasehold car thing. It certainly not a public sector wide thing. I also find it quite interesting you get all worked up the nhs getting a whipping 1%pay rise but are quite blade about the billions given to their mates in the ppe scandal. Bringing shipman into a debate about the NHS getting a pay rise is beyond contempt. You have said in a previous post your link to the NHS or implied it. The NHS where his employer & their responsibility & embarrassment, you celebrating deaths in other post is contemptible. Me saying that the NHS is not full of all deserving Angeles & saints is a fact of life & you always like facts Lionel, get over it as you said to me the other day. & when have you heard me defend miss spending of tax payer money, no you have heard me say it’s not Boris’s job to order PPE, & that the people who should of didn’t, yet you blame Boris, & want to reward their failure to do their job with a big pay rise. Id give them nothing & give it to the front line staff. When did I ever say they were? They employ 100'000s of people. I'm presuming you applaud no builders shouod ever get a rise because of fred west? Trouble is the NHS pay grade system fought for by the unions precludes picking specific jobs for pay rises. " Dunno about the nhs ,but public sector unions try to target those at the bottom end of the scale when the gmnt are handing out peanuts. | |||
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"In response to the post that was aimed at me..getting paid for being off sick isnt a bonus. As for the pensions, that went to court and the gmnt were found to have acted illegally. I don't work for the nhs and I havent got a clue about these leasehold car thing. It certainly not a public sector wide thing. I also find it quite interesting you get all worked up the nhs getting a whipping 1%pay rise but are quite blade about the billions given to their mates in the ppe scandal. Bringing shipman into a debate about the NHS getting a pay rise is beyond contempt. You have said in a previous post your link to the NHS or implied it. The NHS where his employer & their responsibility & embarrassment, you celebrating deaths in other post is contemptible. Me saying that the NHS is not full of all deserving Angeles & saints is a fact of life & you always like facts Lionel, get over it as you said to me the other day. & when have you heard me defend miss spending of tax payer money, no you have heard me say it’s not Boris’s job to order PPE, & that the people who should of didn’t, yet you blame Boris, & want to reward their failure to do their job with a big pay rise. Id give them nothing & give it to the front line staff. When did I ever say they were? They employ 100'000s of people. I'm presuming you applaud no builders shouod ever get a rise because of fred west? They employ over 1,1000,000 people well that was in 2016/17 that’s nearer 1,3000,000 possibly more in 2019/20 Lionel. Do we pay builders to build houses with tax money or do they work for private companies? How is that relevant to NHS pay? Don’t doctors & nurses take an oath to protect us. But if you want to bring Fred West into it, more to do with social services & the like they fucked up big time, government employees yet again.Take responsibility & own it, don’t take the wage & perks then blame others. You brought harold shipman into a topic about the nhs getting a pay rise. I've literally no idea what the rest of your post is on about." As I explained before it was an example of the fact that not all NHS staff are saints & angels, if you didn’t get that you wouldn’t get anything else because your to think to be honest, just my opinion of you though | |||
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"In response to the post that was aimed at me..getting paid for being off sick isnt a bonus. As for the pensions, that went to court and the gmnt were found to have acted illegally. I don't work for the nhs and I havent got a clue about these leasehold car thing. It certainly not a public sector wide thing. I also find it quite interesting you get all worked up the nhs getting a whipping 1%pay rise but are quite blade about the billions given to their mates in the ppe scandal. Bringing shipman into a debate about the NHS getting a pay rise is beyond contempt. You have said in a previous post your link to the NHS or implied it. The NHS where his employer & their responsibility & embarrassment, you celebrating deaths in other post is contemptible. Me saying that the NHS is not full of all deserving Angeles & saints is a fact of life & you always like facts Lionel, get over it as you said to me the other day. & when have you heard me defend miss spending of tax payer money, no you have heard me say it’s not Boris’s job to order PPE, & that the people who should of didn’t, yet you blame Boris, & want to reward their failure to do their job with a big pay rise. Id give them nothing & give it to the front line staff. When did I ever say they were? They employ 100'000s of people. I'm presuming you applaud no builders shouod ever get a rise because of fred west? They employ over 1,1000,000 people well that was in 2016/17 that’s nearer 1,3000,000 possibly more in 2019/20 Lionel. Do we pay builders to build houses with tax money or do they work for private companies? How is that relevant to NHS pay? Don’t doctors & nurses take an oath to protect us. But if you want to bring Fred West into it, more to do with social services & the like they fucked up big time, government employees yet again.Take responsibility & own it, don’t take the wage & perks then blame others. You brought harold shipman into a topic about the nhs getting a pay rise. I've literally no idea what the rest of your post is on about. As I explained before it was an example of the fact that not all NHS staff are saints & angels, if you didn’t get that you wouldn’t get anything else because your to think to be honest, just my opinion of you though " In fairly sure I never said everyone who worked for the nhs was an angel. Quite what peoples morality has to do with a pay rise is anyones guess? Are there any other sectors where you only get a pay rise if you are a saint? | |||
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"In response to the post that was aimed at me..getting paid for being off sick isnt a bonus. As for the pensions, that went to court and the gmnt were found to have acted illegally. I don't work for the nhs and I havent got a clue about these leasehold car thing. It certainly not a public sector wide thing. I also find it quite interesting you get all worked up the nhs getting a whipping 1%pay rise but are quite blade about the billions given to their mates in the ppe scandal. Bringing shipman into a debate about the NHS getting a pay rise is beyond contempt. You have said in a previous post your link to the NHS or implied it. The NHS where his employer & their responsibility & embarrassment, you celebrating deaths in other post is contemptible. Me saying that the NHS is not full of all deserving Angeles & saints is a fact of life & you always like facts Lionel, get over it as you said to me the other day. & when have you heard me defend miss spending of tax payer money, no you have heard me say it’s not Boris’s job to order PPE, & that the people who should of didn’t, yet you blame Boris, & want to reward their failure to do their job with a big pay rise. Id give them nothing & give it to the front line staff. When did I ever say they were? They employ 100'000s of people. I'm presuming you applaud no builders shouod ever get a rise because of fred west? Trouble is the NHS pay grade system fought for by the unions precludes picking specific jobs for pay rises. Dunno about the nhs ,but public sector unions try to target those at the bottom end of the scale when the gmnt are handing out peanuts." I bet you take more time off than most, are the least efficient in your department but do a great job for your members, well that’s what you tell them. In a normal company there would be a 1/3 of the workers doing twice as much work & still have time to chat about last nights TV & shop online. I know our union rep only managed 17 full weeks last year & because of zoom everyone now knows his day long union meetings only take an hour, the rest of the time spent in the pub chatting shite like you Lionel | |||
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"In response to the post that was aimed at me..getting paid for being off sick isnt a bonus. As for the pensions, that went to court and the gmnt were found to have acted illegally. I don't work for the nhs and I havent got a clue about these leasehold car thing. It certainly not a public sector wide thing. I also find it quite interesting you get all worked up the nhs getting a whipping 1%pay rise but are quite blade about the billions given to their mates in the ppe scandal. Bringing shipman into a debate about the NHS getting a pay rise is beyond contempt. You have said in a previous post your link to the NHS or implied it. The NHS where his employer & their responsibility & embarrassment, you celebrating deaths in other post is contemptible. Me saying that the NHS is not full of all deserving Angeles & saints is a fact of life & you always like facts Lionel, get over it as you said to me the other day. & when have you heard me defend miss spending of tax payer money, no you have heard me say it’s not Boris’s job to order PPE, & that the people who should of didn’t, yet you blame Boris, & want to reward their failure to do their job with a big pay rise. Id give them nothing & give it to the front line staff. When did I ever say they were? They employ 100'000s of people. I'm presuming you applaud no builders shouod ever get a rise because of fred west? Trouble is the NHS pay grade system fought for by the unions precludes picking specific jobs for pay rises. Dunno about the nhs ,but public sector unions try to target those at the bottom end of the scale when the gmnt are handing out peanuts. I bet you take more time off than most, are the least efficient in your department but do a great job for your members, well that’s what you tell them. In a normal company there would be a 1/3 of the workers doing twice as much work & still have time to chat about last nights TV & shop online. I know our union rep only managed 17 full weeks last year & because of zoom everyone now knows his day long union meetings only take an hour, the rest of the time spent in the pub chatting shite like you Lionel " Are you aware of the concept of irony? | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most" Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most" there was talk of a minimum wage for carers between £10/12 an hr don’t know how that can’t happen now after what they been through | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time." You do realise Lionel that is Labour had won the 2010 General election they had plans to make public service cuts? | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. You do realise Lionel that is Labour had won the 2010 General election they had plans to make public service cuts?" You realise labour didnt win the 2010 election? | |||
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"In response to the post that was aimed at me..getting paid for being off sick isnt a bonus. As for the pensions, that went to court and the gmnt were found to have acted illegally. I don't work for the nhs and I havent got a clue about these leasehold car thing. It certainly not a public sector wide thing. I also find it quite interesting you get all worked up the nhs getting a whipping 1%pay rise but are quite blade about the billions given to their mates in the ppe scandal. Bringing shipman into a debate about the NHS getting a pay rise is beyond contempt. You have said in a previous post your link to the NHS or implied it. The NHS where his employer & their responsibility & embarrassment, you celebrating deaths in other post is contemptible. Me saying that the NHS is not full of all deserving Angeles & saints is a fact of life & you always like facts Lionel, get over it as you said to me the other day. & when have you heard me defend miss spending of tax payer money, no you have heard me say it’s not Boris’s job to order PPE, & that the people who should of didn’t, yet you blame Boris, & want to reward their failure to do their job with a big pay rise. Id give them nothing & give it to the front line staff. When did I ever say they were? They employ 100'000s of people. I'm presuming you applaud no builders shouod ever get a rise because of fred west? Trouble is the NHS pay grade system fought for by the unions precludes picking specific jobs for pay rises. Dunno about the nhs ,but public sector unions try to target those at the bottom end of the scale when the gmnt are handing out peanuts. I bet you take more time off than most, are the least efficient in your department but do a great job for your members, well that’s what you tell them. In a normal company there would be a 1/3 of the workers doing twice as much work & still have time to chat about last nights TV & shop online. I know our union rep only managed 17 full weeks last year & because of zoom everyone now knows his day long union meetings only take an hour, the rest of the time spent in the pub chatting shite like you Lionel Are you aware of the concept of irony?" Yes I am, & are you aware of the concept of reality? Because you show no signs of it. | |||
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"Furlough is great in that it’s allowing people to continue their lives during lockdown, but it’s pretty frustrating to work hard all through the pandemic whilst others put their feet up, then be taxed to pay for it afterwards. I too have worked through, being considered "key". I am quite sure the majority in furlough would have much preferred to have continued to earn their full salary than 'put their feet up'. Many many public sector frontline key workers have taken risks and been exposed. All deserve to be recognised, and by far and away at the top of that list is the NHS. Of course they should get more. T The question remains, in a nation whose citizens protest against paying tax, where does the money come from?"  | |||
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"In response to the post that was aimed at me..getting paid for being off sick isnt a bonus. As for the pensions, that went to court and the gmnt were found to have acted illegally. I don't work for the nhs and I havent got a clue about these leasehold car thing. It certainly not a public sector wide thing. I also find it quite interesting you get all worked up the nhs getting a whipping 1%pay rise but are quite blade about the billions given to their mates in the ppe scandal. Bringing shipman into a debate about the NHS getting a pay rise is beyond contempt. You have said in a previous post your link to the NHS or implied it. The NHS where his employer & their responsibility & embarrassment, you celebrating deaths in other post is contemptible. Me saying that the NHS is not full of all deserving Angeles & saints is a fact of life & you always like facts Lionel, get over it as you said to me the other day. & when have you heard me defend miss spending of tax payer money, no you have heard me say it’s not Boris’s job to order PPE, & that the people who should of didn’t, yet you blame Boris, & want to reward their failure to do their job with a big pay rise. Id give them nothing & give it to the front line staff. When did I ever say they were? They employ 100'000s of people. I'm presuming you applaud no builders shouod ever get a rise because of fred west? Trouble is the NHS pay grade system fought for by the unions precludes picking specific jobs for pay rises. Dunno about the nhs ,but public sector unions try to target those at the bottom end of the scale when the gmnt are handing out peanuts. I bet you take more time off than most, are the least efficient in your department but do a great job for your members, well that’s what you tell them. In a normal company there would be a 1/3 of the workers doing twice as much work & still have time to chat about last nights TV & shop online. I know our union rep only managed 17 full weeks last year & because of zoom everyone now knows his day long union meetings only take an hour, the rest of the time spent in the pub chatting shite like you Lionel Are you aware of the concept of irony? Yes I am, & are you aware of the concept of reality? Because you show no signs of it. " What are you going on about? | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. The country has spent more than its earnt every single year since 2001. "Austerity" don't make me laugh" So..austerity didn't happen? | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. You do realise Lionel that is Labour had won the 2010 General election they had plans to make public service cuts? You realise labour didnt win the 2010 election? Fact remains that it is in the public domain that they had the plans to make cuts. So you quips about austerity every five minutes really is showing you don't understand the financial situation the UK was in at that time." No your point is totally irrelevant. It's an absolutely mystery why tories refuse to accept any responsibility whatsoever. | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. You do realise Lionel that is Labour had won the 2010 General election they had plans to make public service cuts? You realise labour didnt win the 2010 election? Fact remains that it is in the public domain that they had the plans to make cuts. So you quips about austerity every five minutes really is showing you don't understand the financial situation the UK was in at that time. No your point is totally irrelevant. It's an absolutely mystery why tories refuse to accept any responsibility whatsoever." It's fact. A fact that you are in denial about! | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. You do realise Lionel that is Labour had won the 2010 General election they had plans to make public service cuts? You realise labour didnt win the 2010 election? Fact remains that it is in the public domain that they had the plans to make cuts. So you quips about austerity every five minutes really is showing you don't understand the financial situation the UK was in at that time. No your point is totally irrelevant. It's an absolutely mystery why tories refuse to accept any responsibility whatsoever. It's fact. A fact that you are in denial about!" It's a fact that labour havent been in power for over a decade, yet you are still trying to pin the blame on them. Can you not,on one occasion actually take some responsibility for what your party has done? The tories chose austerity and it was mostly founded on an ideological basis. Labour had completely nothing to do with it. | |||
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"the tory party risk taking a hammering over this in the upcomming elections. " You are so wrong about this the election is not relevent at this time | |||
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"the tory party risk taking a hammering over this in the upcomming elections. You are so wrong about this the election is not relevent at this time" i disagree. local elections and so forth have always been a hotbed of protest voting and i see no reason for any change in that now, especially as there appears to be lots of people with something to protest about regardless of political leanings. | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. The country has spent more than its earnt every single year since 2001. "Austerity" don't make me laugh So..austerity didn't happen?" Austerity means spending less than you have. We consistently spend more than we have, every year. So no, no it didnt happen. | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. You do realise Lionel that is Labour had won the 2010 General election they had plans to make public service cuts? You realise labour didnt win the 2010 election? Fact remains that it is in the public domain that they had the plans to make cuts. So you quips about austerity every five minutes really is showing you don't understand the financial situation the UK was in at that time. No your point is totally irrelevant. It's an absolutely mystery why tories refuse to accept any responsibility whatsoever. It's fact. A fact that you are in denial about! It's a fact that labour havent been in power for over a decade, yet you are still trying to pin the blame on them. Can you not,on one occasion actually take some responsibility for what your party has done? The tories chose austerity and it was mostly founded on an ideological basis. Labour had completely nothing to do with it." Cuts were going to happen who ever got into power. Are you unable to understand that? | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. You do realise Lionel that is Labour had won the 2010 General election they had plans to make public service cuts? You realise labour didnt win the 2010 election? Fact remains that it is in the public domain that they had the plans to make cuts. So you quips about austerity every five minutes really is showing you don't understand the financial situation the UK was in at that time. No your point is totally irrelevant. It's an absolutely mystery why tories refuse to accept any responsibility whatsoever. It's fact. A fact that you are in denial about! It's a fact that labour havent been in power for over a decade, yet you are still trying to pin the blame on them. Can you not,on one occasion actually take some responsibility for what your party has done? The tories chose austerity and it was mostly founded on an ideological basis. Labour had completely nothing to do with it. Cuts were going to happen who ever got into power. Are you unable to understand that? They may well have done but the Tories were inherently more savage. It's a completely ridiculous argument.. if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle. Try accepting what they actually did." The government did what they thought was needed at the time. But let's get things correct. The government between 2010 to 2015 was a coalition government and not a Conservative government. | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. You do realise Lionel that is Labour had won the 2010 General election they had plans to make public service cuts? You realise labour didnt win the 2010 election? Fact remains that it is in the public domain that they had the plans to make cuts. So you quips about austerity every five minutes really is showing you don't understand the financial situation the UK was in at that time. No your point is totally irrelevant. It's an absolutely mystery why tories refuse to accept any responsibility whatsoever. It's fact. A fact that you are in denial about! It's a fact that labour havent been in power for over a decade, yet you are still trying to pin the blame on them. Can you not,on one occasion actually take some responsibility for what your party has done? The tories chose austerity and it was mostly founded on an ideological basis. Labour had completely nothing to do with it. Cuts were going to happen who ever got into power. Are you unable to understand that? They may well have done but the Tories were inherently more savage. It's a completely ridiculous argument.. if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle. Try accepting what they actually did. The government did what they thought was needed at the time. But let's get things correct. The government between 2010 to 2015 was a coalition government and not a Conservative government. " You seemed to be under the impression that I'm going to defend a Gordon brown gmnt Austerity was on the Tories.. and the libs..I'd actually forgot about them | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. You do realise Lionel that is Labour had won the 2010 General election they had plans to make public service cuts? You realise labour didnt win the 2010 election? Fact remains that it is in the public domain that they had the plans to make cuts. So you quips about austerity every five minutes really is showing you don't understand the financial situation the UK was in at that time. No your point is totally irrelevant. It's an absolutely mystery why tories refuse to accept any responsibility whatsoever. It's fact. A fact that you are in denial about! It's a fact that labour havent been in power for over a decade, yet you are still trying to pin the blame on them. Can you not,on one occasion actually take some responsibility for what your party has done? The tories chose austerity and it was mostly founded on an ideological basis. Labour had completely nothing to do with it. Cuts were going to happen who ever got into power. Are you unable to understand that? They may well have done but the Tories were inherently more savage. It's a completely ridiculous argument.. if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle. Try accepting what they actually did." No because obviously they had identified as female, hence them being your auntie. You really are showing your transphobic side here Lionel. | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. You do realise Lionel that is Labour had won the 2010 General election they had plans to make public service cuts? You realise labour didnt win the 2010 election? Fact remains that it is in the public domain that they had the plans to make cuts. So you quips about austerity every five minutes really is showing you don't understand the financial situation the UK was in at that time. No your point is totally irrelevant. It's an absolutely mystery why tories refuse to accept any responsibility whatsoever. It's fact. A fact that you are in denial about! It's a fact that labour havent been in power for over a decade, yet you are still trying to pin the blame on them. Can you not,on one occasion actually take some responsibility for what your party has done? The tories chose austerity and it was mostly founded on an ideological basis. Labour had completely nothing to do with it. Cuts were going to happen who ever got into power. Are you unable to understand that? They may well have done but the Tories were inherently more savage. It's a completely ridiculous argument.. if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle. Try accepting what they actually did. No because obviously they had identified as female, hence them being your auntie. You really are showing your transphobic side here Lionel. " Looks like you've gone completely radio rental in an attempt to score points there. Very poor show | |||
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"Nurses threaten strike wtf Said a few months ago there will be widespread strikes this year. RCN sets aside £35 million fund for industrial action couldn’t make it up Hardly a surprise. People are sick to the back teeth of them.of who the nurses ? The gmnt. Once covid is over there will be ballots for strike action across education, care etc.care how does that happen when was last time all the carers wheat on strike ? I think unison are getting ready for when this is over" Ah yes, unison, headed by the austere Dave Prentis on 140 odd thousand a year lol | |||
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"Nurses threaten strike wtf Said a few months ago there will be widespread strikes this year. RCN sets aside £35 million fund for industrial action couldn’t make it up Hardly a surprise. People are sick to the back teeth of them.of who the nurses ? The gmnt. Once covid is over there will be ballots for strike action across education, care etc.care how does that happen when was last time all the carers wheat on strike ? I think unison are getting ready for when this is over Ah yes, unison, headed by the austere Dave Prentis on 140 odd thousand a year lol" Oh dear | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. You do realise Lionel that is Labour had won the 2010 General election they had plans to make public service cuts? You realise labour didnt win the 2010 election? Fact remains that it is in the public domain that they had the plans to make cuts. So you quips about austerity every five minutes really is showing you don't understand the financial situation the UK was in at that time. No your point is totally irrelevant. It's an absolutely mystery why tories refuse to accept any responsibility whatsoever. It's fact. A fact that you are in denial about! It's a fact that labour havent been in power for over a decade, yet you are still trying to pin the blame on them. Can you not,on one occasion actually take some responsibility for what your party has done? The tories chose austerity and it was mostly founded on an ideological basis. Labour had completely nothing to do with it. Cuts were going to happen who ever got into power. Are you unable to understand that? They may well have done but the Tories were inherently more savage. It's a completely ridiculous argument.. if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle. Try accepting what they actually did. No because obviously they had identified as female, hence them being your auntie. You really are showing your transphobic side here Lionel. Looks like you've gone completely radio rental in an attempt to score points there. Very poor show" No not at all I’m just using the lefts trick of making something out of nothing as your side always does. If I’d made a joke of such a thing you would of been bouncing up & down like an excitable Jack Russell. Now sit down & I’ll give you a biscuit for being Lionel good little puppy. | |||
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"a more generous pay rise will result in far more people entering the nhs & social care as a career which will generate more more spending in local & wider economies and increase the tax take. it's win win just when the country needs it most Its austerity again After all it worked a treat last time. You do realise Lionel that is Labour had won the 2010 General election they had plans to make public service cuts? You realise labour didnt win the 2010 election? Fact remains that it is in the public domain that they had the plans to make cuts. So you quips about austerity every five minutes really is showing you don't understand the financial situation the UK was in at that time. No your point is totally irrelevant. It's an absolutely mystery why tories refuse to accept any responsibility whatsoever. It's fact. A fact that you are in denial about! It's a fact that labour havent been in power for over a decade, yet you are still trying to pin the blame on them. Can you not,on one occasion actually take some responsibility for what your party has done? The tories chose austerity and it was mostly founded on an ideological basis. Labour had completely nothing to do with it. Cuts were going to happen who ever got into power. Are you unable to understand that? They may well have done but the Tories were inherently more savage. It's a completely ridiculous argument.. if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle. Try accepting what they actually did. No because obviously they had identified as female, hence them being your auntie. You really are showing your transphobic side here Lionel. Looks like you've gone completely radio rental in an attempt to score points there. Very poor show No not at all I’m just using the lefts trick of making something out of nothing as your side always does. If I’d made a joke of such a thing you would of been bouncing up & down like an excitable Jack Russell. Now sit down & I’ll give you a biscuit for being Lionel good little puppy. " If you are going to throw insults around ,try mastering writing in sentences that actually make sense. | |||
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"Nurses threaten strike wtf Said a few months ago there will be widespread strikes this year. RCN sets aside £35 million fund for industrial action couldn’t make it up Hardly a surprise. People are sick to the back teeth of them.of who the nurses ? The gmnt. Once covid is over there will be ballots for strike action across education, care etc.care how does that happen when was last time all the carers wheat on strike ? I think unison are getting ready for when this is over Ah yes, unison, headed by the austere Dave Prentis on 140 odd thousand a year lol" Thought it was a woman in charge of Unison?  | |||
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"Nurses threaten strike wtf Said a few months ago there will be widespread strikes this year. RCN sets aside £35 million fund for industrial action couldn’t make it up Hardly a surprise. People are sick to the back teeth of them.of who the nurses ? The gmnt. Once covid is over there will be ballots for strike action across education, care etc.care how does that happen when was last time all the carers wheat on strike ? I think unison are getting ready for when this is over Ah yes, unison, headed by the austere Dave Prentis on 140 odd thousand a year lol Thought it was a woman in charge of Unison? "Christina McAnea is the leader of unison | |||
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"Coming out to clap for the NHS is just gesture politics and no substitute for a decent salary, but what else can one expect from a government of psycopaths, devoid of empathy and compassion?" so what should a nurse be on then ? | |||
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"I can't get my head around why they unions think a 12.5% pay rise is required for nurses, who do what they are contracted and payed to do. Anyone offered a contract of employment should read the terms and conditions before they sign up to it. How about bin men, farmers, grave diggers shop workers and the like who are critical to ensure our world keep turning but no mention of any huge wage demands from them. " in the U.K. them workers don’t exist we only have professionals suck as doctors nurses teachers policemen and firemen no one else works in the U.K. | |||
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"I can't get my head around why they unions think a 12.5% pay rise is required for nurses, who do what they are contracted and payed to do. Anyone offered a contract of employment should read the terms and conditions before they sign up to it. How about bin men, farmers, grave diggers shop workers and the like who are critical to ensure our world keep turning but no mention of any huge wage demands from them. " For about the millionth time it's a bargaining chip. If they ask for for 12%they may,if they are lucky, get 3/4% If the union asks for 2%..they will get nothing. I cant understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. | |||
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"I can't get my head around why they unions think a 12.5% pay rise is required for nurses, who do what they are contracted and payed to do. Anyone offered a contract of employment should read the terms and conditions before they sign up to it. How about bin men, farmers, grave diggers shop workers and the like who are critical to ensure our world keep turning but no mention of any huge wage demands from them. in the U.K. them workers don’t exist we only have professionals suck as doctors nurses teachers policemen and firemen no one else works in the U.K. " Who said that? | |||
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"It is badd I feel should have been three maybe but cut back somewhere else to pay for it so the government will still be critisised For me the police also have a good case but again who do you take money off that is the problem" The rich elite who don’t pay anything would be a starting point don’t you think? That would sort the nurses, police and have a chunk left over. | |||
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"I can't get my head around why they unions think a 12.5% pay rise is required for nurses, who do what they are contracted and payed to do. Anyone offered a contract of employment should read the terms and conditions before they sign up to it. How about bin men, farmers, grave diggers shop workers and the like who are critical to ensure our world keep turning but no mention of any huge wage demands from them. " Over the last ten years nurses have effectively had a decrease in wages of around £3500 a year because rises have failed to stay in line with inflation despite inflation being at an all time low. We had to endure a five year pay freeze along with an increase in tax and an increase in pension contributions. Shopkeepers are all employed by the private sector as are farmers so comparing is irrelevant. Bin men and grave diggers have had rises over the last decade in line with inflation. Maybe they can’t afford to give us a decent rise this year but they could do something like not charging us our nursing registration fees for this year ( yes we have to pay a fee to work ) or give us free car parking for work. | |||
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"I can't get my head around why they unions think a 12.5% pay rise is required for nurses, who do what they are contracted and payed to do. Anyone offered a contract of employment should read the terms and conditions before they sign up to it. How about bin men, farmers, grave diggers shop workers and the like who are critical to ensure our world keep turning but no mention of any huge wage demands from them. Over the last ten years nurses have effectively had a decrease in wages of around £3500 a year because rises have failed to stay in line with inflation despite inflation being at an all time low. We had to endure a five year pay freeze along with an increase in tax and an increase in pension contributions. Shopkeepers are all employed by the private sector as are farmers so comparing is irrelevant. Bin men and grave diggers have had rises over the last decade in line with inflation. Maybe they can’t afford to give us a decent rise this year but they could do something like not charging us our nursing registration fees for this year ( yes we have to pay a fee to work ) or give us free car parking for work." I get your plight I do but just the talk of strike during a pandemic could kill public sympathy like you’d keep telling us people are dying is it really the time to talk about your money ? | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
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"Who said blame the foreigners? I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect. Nothing to do with blaming foreigners 
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
"You mentioned other countries so I assumed you meant people not from the uk..I do apologise | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
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"I can't get my head around why they unions think a 12.5% pay rise is required for nurses, who do what they are contracted and payed to do. Anyone offered a contract of employment should read the terms and conditions before they sign up to it. How about bin men, farmers, grave diggers shop workers and the like who are critical to ensure our world keep turning but no mention of any huge wage demands from them. Over the last ten years nurses have effectively had a decrease in wages of around £3500 a year because rises have failed to stay in line with inflation despite inflation being at an all time low. We had to endure a five year pay freeze along with an increase in tax and an increase in pension contributions. Shopkeepers are all employed by the private sector as are farmers so comparing is irrelevant. Bin men and grave diggers have had rises over the last decade in line with inflation. Maybe they can’t afford to give us a decent rise this year but they could do something like not charging us our nursing registration fees for this year ( yes we have to pay a fee to work ) or give us free car parking for work.I get your plight I do but just the talk of strike during a pandemic could kill public sympathy like you’d keep telling us people are dying is it really the time to talk about your money ?" I don’t agree with strikes and it’s against the code of conduct that I signed up for. I didn’t strike the last time when they stitched us up over pension contributions, hardly any nurses did to be fair. | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
"I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly | |||
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"Nurses threaten strike wtf Said a few months ago there will be widespread strikes this year. RCN sets aside £35 million fund for industrial action couldn’t make it up Hardly a surprise. People are sick to the back teeth of them.of who the nurses ? The gmnt. Once covid is over there will be ballots for strike action across education, care etc.care how does that happen when was last time all the carers wheat on strike ? I think unison are getting ready for when this is over Ah yes, unison, headed by the austere Dave Prentis on 140 odd thousand a year lol Thought it was a woman in charge of Unison?
Christina McAnea is the leader of unison"Oh actually it’s worse than that, union chief of the Royal college of nursing Dame Donna Kinair is on 166,000 lol | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly"I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway. But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit. | |||
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"Nurses threaten strike wtf Said a few months ago there will be widespread strikes this year. RCN sets aside £35 million fund for industrial action couldn’t make it up Hardly a surprise. People are sick to the back teeth of them.of who the nurses ? The gmnt. Once covid is over there will be ballots for strike action across education, care etc.care how does that happen when was last time all the carers wheat on strike ? I think unison are getting ready for when this is over Ah yes, unison, headed by the austere Dave Prentis on 140 odd thousand a year lol Thought it was a woman in charge of Unison?
Christina McAnea is the leader of unison
Oh actually it’s worse than that, union chief of the Royal college of nursing Dame Donna Kinair is on 166,000 lol"Are you sure you have the right person this time? | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit."How is that blaming foreigners? | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit."but you said blame tne foreigners like he’s racist you do it all the fucking time he made a honest point same shit when anyone questions overseas aid ffs | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.but you said blame tne foreigners like he’s racist you do it all the fucking time he made a honest point same shit when anyone questions overseas aid ffs "What does the sentence..give money to other countries actually means? | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners? "Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming? | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?"It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money"Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient? | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money
Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient?"As I said the way I read the post they were criticising the government for the decisions not the recipient of the money. The government are in charge of any aid not those that receive it | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money
Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient?"Considering India has a space program they are not short of a few bob are they. | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money
Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient?
As I said the way I read the post they were criticising the government for the decisions not the recipient of the money. The government are in charge of any aid not those that receive it"Whu do you think people object to foreign aid? | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money
Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient?
Considering India has a space program they are not short of a few bob are they."Proving my point exactly Thank you. | |||
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"Nurses threaten strike wtf Said a few months ago there will be widespread strikes this year. RCN sets aside £35 million fund for industrial action couldn’t make it up Hardly a surprise. People are sick to the back teeth of them.of who the nurses ? The gmnt. Once covid is over there will be ballots for strike action across education, care etc.care how does that happen when was last time all the carers wheat on strike ? I think unison are getting ready for when this is over Ah yes, unison, headed by the austere Dave Prentis on 140 odd thousand a year lol Thought it was a woman in charge of Unison?
Christina McAnea is the leader of unison
Oh actually it’s worse than that, union chief of the Royal college of nursing Dame Donna Kinair is on 166,000 lol
Are you sure you have the right person this time?"Two different unions with two different heads Lionel, both fat cats. Both representing parts of the NHS. | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money
Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient?
As I said the way I read the post they were criticising the government for the decisions not the recipient of the money. The government are in charge of any aid not those that receive it
Whu do you think people object to foreign aid?"Surely you need to ask those that do. I don't blame the recipient's of aid for the decisions made by the UK government | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money
Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient?
As I said the way I read the post they were criticising the government for the decisions not the recipient of the money. The government are in charge of any aid not those that receive it
Whu do you think people object to foreign aid?
Surely you need to ask those that do. I don't blame the recipient's of aid for the decisions made by the UK government"See essex blokes post above He made my point more than I ever could. | |||
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"Nurses threaten strike wtf Said a few months ago there will be widespread strikes this year. RCN sets aside £35 million fund for industrial action couldn’t make it up Hardly a surprise. People are sick to the back teeth of them.of who the nurses ? The gmnt. Once covid is over there will be ballots for strike action across education, care etc.care how does that happen when was last time all the carers wheat on strike ? I think unison are getting ready for when this is over Ah yes, unison, headed by the austere Dave Prentis on 140 odd thousand a year lol Thought it was a woman in charge of Unison?
Christina McAnea is the leader of unison
Oh actually it’s worse than that, union chief of the Royal college of nursing Dame Donna Kinair is on 166,000 lol
Are you sure you have the right person this time?
Two different unions with two different heads Lionel, both fat cats.
Both representing parts of the NHS."I was just making sure you got the right person this time. | |||
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"Nurses threaten strike wtf Said a few months ago there will be widespread strikes this year. RCN sets aside £35 million fund for industrial action couldn’t make it up Hardly a surprise. People are sick to the back teeth of them.of who the nurses ? The gmnt. Once covid is over there will be ballots for strike action across education, care etc.care how does that happen when was last time all the carers wheat on strike ? I think unison are getting ready for when this is over Ah yes, unison, headed by the austere Dave Prentis on 140 odd thousand a year lol Thought it was a woman in charge of Unison?
Christina McAnea is the leader of unison
Oh actually it’s worse than that, union chief of the Royal college of nursing Dame Donna Kinair is on 166,000 lol
Are you sure you have the right person this time?
Two different unions with two different heads Lionel, both fat cats.
Both representing parts of the NHS.
I was just making sure you got the right person this time.
"They were both correct. I pride myself on my factuality. | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money
Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient?
As I said the way I read the post they were criticising the government for the decisions not the recipient of the money. The government are in charge of any aid not those that receive it
Whu do you think people object to foreign aid?
Surely you need to ask those that do. I don't blame the recipient's of aid for the decisions made by the UK government
See essex blokes post above
He made my point more than I ever could."I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't blame India or any other recipient for getting aid so I don't blame it on foreigners which is how I read the original post | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money
Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient?
As I said the way I read the post they were criticising the government for the decisions not the recipient of the money. The government are in charge of any aid not those that receive it
Whu do you think people object to foreign aid?
Surely you need to ask those that do. I don't blame the recipient's of aid for the decisions made by the UK government
See essex blokes post above
He made my point more than I ever could."So Lionel do you think it was acceptable to give UK tax money to a country that sends people into space? | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money
Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient?
As I said the way I read the post they were criticising the government for the decisions not the recipient of the money. The government are in charge of any aid not those that receive it
Whu do you think people object to foreign aid?
Surely you need to ask those that do. I don't blame the recipient's of aid for the decisions made by the UK government
See essex blokes post above
He made my point more than I ever could.
I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't blame India or any other recipient for getting aid so I don't blame it on foreigners which is how I read the original post"So because you dont..no one does? The main reason people object to foreign aid is because they dont need it. You dont hear people saying.. why are we sending money to starving people. Anyway like I said .the Essex falla proved my point. | |||
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"They are still ahead in the polls" | |||
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"If we stop giving so much money away there would be more money to pay nurses ect
We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
Outstanding.
Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money
Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient?
As I said the way I read the post they were criticising the government for the decisions not the recipient of the money. The government are in charge of any aid not those that receive it
Whu do you think people object to foreign aid?
Surely you need to ask those that do. I don't blame the recipient's of aid for the decisions made by the UK government
See essex blokes post above
He made my point more than I ever could.
So Lionel do you think it was acceptable to give UK tax money to a country that sends people into space?"It's a different argument. India is in some ways a rich country..in others ways its impoverished. Anyway the aid bill Is getting slashed isnt it? | |||
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We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
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Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money
Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient?
As I said the way I read the post they were criticising the government for the decisions not the recipient of the money. The government are in charge of any aid not those that receive it
Whu do you think people object to foreign aid?
Surely you need to ask those that do. I don't blame the recipient's of aid for the decisions made by the UK government
See essex blokes post above
He made my point more than I ever could.
So Lionel do you think it was acceptable to give UK tax money to a country that sends people into space?
It's a different argument.
India is in some ways a rich country..in others ways its impoverished.
Anyway the aid bill Is getting slashed isnt it?"Actually we have stopped sending aid to India. Instead we are sending £98million to invest in technical enterprises over the next two years. Just about the right amount to pay for a better NHS pay rise! | |||
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We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
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Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money
Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient?
As I said the way I read the post they were criticising the government for the decisions not the recipient of the money. The government are in charge of any aid not those that receive it
Whu do you think people object to foreign aid?
Surely you need to ask those that do. I don't blame the recipient's of aid for the decisions made by the UK government
See essex blokes post above
He made my point more than I ever could.
I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't blame India or any other recipient for getting aid so I don't blame it on foreigners which is how I read the original post
So because you dont..no one does?
The main reason people object to foreign aid is because they dont need it.
You dont hear people saying.. why are we sending money to starving people.
Anyway like I said
.the Essex falla proved my point."Your mixing things up. I was commenting on the post about the UK government giving money and said I don't think the poster was blaming foreigners for that instead he was criticizing the government. I never at any point said no one objects to aid, in fact I said everyone is entitled to their opinion. Your discussion with Essex bloke is purely that and nothing to do with what I have said | |||
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We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
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Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.
How is that blaming foreigners?
Because we are giving people to people who dont live in this country..the money is going abroad as opposed to nurses in this country..who exactly do you think it is blaming?
It is blaming those that make that Decision is how I read the post not blaming foreigners at all. As I said it is a criticism of the government not the recipient of the money
Right..so when you hear phrases like.. why should we give India money..they are rich enough as it Is..absolutely no critism is being levelled at the recipient?
As I said the way I read the post they were criticising the government for the decisions not the recipient of the money. The government are in charge of any aid not those that receive it"don’t waste your time lionels a lost corse he loves a headline mate | |||
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We cannot both give money to other countries and also pay more to essential people
Blame der foreeners
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Who said blame the foreigners?
I said if the U.K. did not give away the money there would be money to pay nurses essential workers ect.
Nothing to do with blaming foreigners
I don't see anywhere that you blamed anything on foreigners. If anything you were criticising the UK government as its their actions you refer too very clearly
I think it was the bit where his exact words where..we cannot give money away to other countries which was the giveaway.
But obviously 2 people didmt read that bit.but you said blame tne foreigners like he’s racist you do it all the fucking time he made a honest point same shit when anyone questions overseas aid ffs " | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions." It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. | |||
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"Nurses threaten strike wtf Said a few months ago there will be widespread strikes this year. RCN sets aside £35 million fund for industrial action couldn’t make it up Hardly a surprise. People are sick to the back teeth of them.of who the nurses ? The gmnt. Once covid is over there will be ballots for strike action across education, care etc.care how does that happen when was last time all the carers wheat on strike ? I think unison are getting ready for when this is over Ah yes, unison, headed by the austere Dave Prentis on 140 odd thousand a year lol Thought it was a woman in charge of Unison?
Christina McAnea is the leader of unison
Oh actually it’s worse than that, union chief of the Royal college of nursing Dame Donna Kinair is on 166,000 lol
Are you sure you have the right person this time?
Two different unions with two different heads Lionel, both fat cats.
Both representing parts of the NHS."£160k isn’t that what Javid is getting part time whilst still working “full time “ as an MP? Just saying ... fat cats n all. To be fair Javid used to earn a few million a year in his banking role before getting into Parliament so he has been struggling on such a low income. The point is there are fat cats everywhere. And we let them get the cream year after year. | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for." Ok, what percentage do you think they should get? | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for." Due to the public backlash they may relent and go upto 2%,but include some change to their terms and conditions (a standard trick) And then their fan club will be out in force praising them for 'listening to the public' Whether this will be enough is anyones guess. But if it does get to industrial actin let's see how the long the likes of the daily keeps referring to them as heroes. | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Due to the public backlash they may relent and go upto 2%,but include some change to their terms and conditions (a standard trick) And then their fan club will be out in force praising them for 'listening to the public' Whether this will be enough is anyones guess. But if it does get to industrial actin let's see how the long the likes of the daily keeps referring to them as heroes." I personally think it'll end up higher than 2% but obviously I'm not involved in any negotiations. I hope it doesn't get to industrial action. The reason for this is because whilst I hope most of us agree that nurses do an amazing job, industrial action will only bring resentment from certain factions. TBH, I get most of my NHS information from my brother. He been an NHS worker for around 20 years and has a very good understanding of politics. So I'll see what he is saying. | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Ok, what percentage do you think they should get?" It doesn't really matter what I think they should get. Contract negotiations are about much much more than base pay. | |||
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"Furlough is great in that it’s allowing people to continue their lives during lockdown, but it’s pretty frustrating to work hard all through the pandemic whilst others put their feet up, then be taxed to pay for it afterwards. Agree with you totally, i think those that worked through it should not be taxed more but those who where furloughed should have a slightly higher tax code to pay for there year off" Why should those furloughed be taxed more? I didnt ask to be laid off for over a year and take a 20% pay cut so aswell as catching up on debts when i finally start earning full wages again you think i should be taxed more aswell and as for sitting around with there feet up i should imagine the majority of peeps are like myself slowly starting to go stir crazy | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Due to the public backlash they may relent and go upto 2%,but include some change to their terms and conditions (a standard trick) And then their fan club will be out in force praising them for 'listening to the public' Whether this will be enough is anyones guess. But if it does get to industrial actin let's see how the long the likes of the daily keeps referring to them as heroes. I personally think it'll end up higher than 2% but obviously I'm not involved in any negotiations. I hope it doesn't get to industrial action. The reason for this is because whilst I hope most of us agree that nurses do an amazing job, industrial action will only bring resentment from certain factions. TBH, I get most of my NHS information from my brother. He been an NHS worker for around 20 years and has a very good understanding of politics. So I'll see what he is saying." I suspect it wont come to industrial action but like I said above the nhs is just the tip of the iceberg. | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Due to the public backlash they may relent and go upto 2%,but include some change to their terms and conditions (a standard trick) And then their fan club will be out in force praising them for 'listening to the public' Whether this will be enough is anyones guess. But if it does get to industrial actin let's see how the long the likes of the daily keeps referring to them as heroes. I personally think it'll end up higher than 2% but obviously I'm not involved in any negotiations. I hope it doesn't get to industrial action. The reason for this is because whilst I hope most of us agree that nurses do an amazing job, industrial action will only bring resentment from certain factions. TBH, I get most of my NHS information from my brother. He been an NHS worker for around 20 years and has a very good understanding of politics. So I'll see what he is saying. I suspect it wont come to industrial action but like I said above the nhs is just the tip of the iceberg. It's not an easy one for sure. There have been 100,000s who have had a real terms pay freeze as well as 100,000s who have lost jobs. Do you think those who have lost jobs feel sympathy with those who are on the face of it getting pay increases?" I think it's a flawed argument. People have lost there jobs in the likes of retail and hospitality because people havent been going out spending money. Nothing whatsoever to do with the gmnt deciding to impose yet another round of pay feezes. And I'm no economist but when you make people worse off in the pocket,they are less likely to go out spending money which will create more jobs. It's like when people compare the public and private sector pay..the private sector comprises of 100,000s of different jobs. It's a ridiculous argument. | |||
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"We were all asked to make sacrifices to protect the NHS. Millions of people have given up a percentage of their salary for a year. Hundreds of thousands will lose jobs. Nearly 80,000 have lot their homes, so far. Millions are on waiting lists for treatment. Now they want more and the NHS unions call for strike because we haven't protected them enough. Maybe don't like this, but doesn't make it untrue. I think there is a silent majority who are very aware of the contribution being made by everyone." I genuinley think the big issue Is the preceding decade. For the last 11 years now there have been been pay caps,/freezes. Now once again ,they are being hit again. People have had enough. If for the last 10 years people would have had decent pay rises,most people would have said,ok..we are skinnt.. we all need to take the hit. But this feels like the final straw. Plus of course.. we arent all going to take the hit. | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Ok, what percentage do you think they should get? It doesn't really matter what I think they should get. Contract negotiations are about much much more than base pay." No, you've made some very contentious posts on here, so about time you made your position clear regarding what's fair for nurses. What percentage? | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Ok, what percentage do you think they should get? It doesn't really matter what I think they should get. Contract negotiations are about much much more than base pay. No, you've made some very contentious posts on here, so about time you made your position clear regarding what's fair for nurses. What percentage?" What's contentious about what I've said? | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Ok, what percentage do you think they should get? It doesn't really matter what I think they should get. Contract negotiations are about much much more than base pay. No, you've made some very contentious posts on here, so about time you made your position clear regarding what's fair for nurses. What percentage? What's contentious about what I've said?" Every one reacting like it's a knife to the heart Actually it's a knife in the back of nurses Nurse starting salary in 2010 approx £21,180 . Nurse starting salary in 2018 £21,900 8 years approx 3•5% Same period MP salaries up nearly 20% So what percentage should nurses get? Think this is the 3rd time of asking? So, | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Ok, what percentage do you think they should get? It doesn't really matter what I think they should get. Contract negotiations are about much much more than base pay. No, you've made some very contentious posts on here, so about time you made your position clear regarding what's fair for nurses. What percentage? What's contentious about what I've said? Every one reacting like it's a knife to the heart Actually it's a knife in the back of nurses Nurse starting salary in 2010 approx £21,180 . Nurse starting salary in 2018 £21,900 8 years approx 3•5% Same period MP salaries up nearly 20% So what percentage should nurses get? Think this is the 3rd time of asking? So, " A newly qualified Band 5 NHS Nurse currently earns £24,907. Whilst it's still a low wage, you're 3k out. As I've stated already, it doesn't matter what I think. I don't work for the NHS. My comment about people reacting is because it's only just started. It's not even close to done | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Ok, what percentage do you think they should get? It doesn't really matter what I think they should get. Contract negotiations are about much much more than base pay. No, you've made some very contentious posts on here, so about time you made your position clear regarding what's fair for nurses. What percentage? What's contentious about what I've said? Every one reacting like it's a knife to the heart Actually it's a knife in the back of nurses Nurse starting salary in 2010 approx £21,180 . Nurse starting salary in 2018 £21,900 8 years approx 3•5% Same period MP salaries up nearly 20% So what percentage should nurses get? Think this is the 3rd time of asking? So, A newly qualified Band 5 NHS Nurse currently earns £24,907. Whilst it's still a low wage, you're 3k out. As I've stated already, it doesn't matter what I think. I don't work for the NHS. My comment about people reacting is because it's only just started. It's not even close to done" I apologise for the figures accuracy. However you've just said nurses are low paid. It does matter what you think, you vote. Are you going to vote for a party that thinks 1% is an acceptable offer? Perhaps you could offer them a few claps? | |||
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"don’t waste your time lionels a lost corse he loves a headline mate ********************************** Spot-on....!! "Yep what was I thinking lol | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Ok, what percentage do you think they should get? It doesn't really matter what I think they should get. Contract negotiations are about much much more than base pay. No, you've made some very contentious posts on here, so about time you made your position clear regarding what's fair for nurses. What percentage? What's contentious about what I've said? Every one reacting like it's a knife to the heart Actually it's a knife in the back of nurses Nurse starting salary in 2010 approx £21,180 . Nurse starting salary in 2018 £21,900 8 years approx 3•5% Same period MP salaries up nearly 20% So what percentage should nurses get? Think this is the 3rd time of asking? So, A newly qualified Band 5 NHS Nurse currently earns £24,907. Whilst it's still a low wage, you're 3k out. As I've stated already, it doesn't matter what I think. I don't work for the NHS. My comment about people reacting is because it's only just started. It's not even close to done I apologise for the figures accuracy. However you've just said nurses are low paid. It does matter what you think, you vote. Are you going to vote for a party that thinks 1% is an acceptable offer? Perhaps you could offer them a few claps?" And I'll use my vote when the time comes. Who I vote for will depend on a wide variety of things and not just one subject. | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Ok, what percentage do you think they should get? It doesn't really matter what I think they should get. Contract negotiations are about much much more than base pay. No, you've made some very contentious posts on here, so about time you made your position clear regarding what's fair for nurses. What percentage? What's contentious about what I've said? Every one reacting like it's a knife to the heart Actually it's a knife in the back of nurses Nurse starting salary in 2010 approx £21,180 . Nurse starting salary in 2018 £21,900 8 years approx 3•5% Same period MP salaries up nearly 20% So what percentage should nurses get? Think this is the 3rd time of asking? So, A newly qualified Band 5 NHS Nurse currently earns £24,907. Whilst it's still a low wage, you're 3k out. As I've stated already, it doesn't matter what I think. I don't work for the NHS. My comment about people reacting is because it's only just started. It's not even close to done I apologise for the figures accuracy. However you've just said nurses are low paid. It does matter what you think, you vote. Are you going to vote for a party that thinks 1% is an acceptable offer? Perhaps you could offer them a few claps?" In terms of clapping for them. No I will not clap, neither did I clap last year. It's nothing but a PR stunt. Most NHS workers I know hated it. They are actually just normal people who want to do their job, and some actually felt embarrassed by it. If you know any NHS workers, ask them whether they enjoy that clapping. | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Ok, what percentage do you think they should get? It doesn't really matter what I think they should get. Contract negotiations are about much much more than base pay. No, you've made some very contentious posts on here, so about time you made your position clear regarding what's fair for nurses. What percentage? What's contentious about what I've said? Every one reacting like it's a knife to the heart Actually it's a knife in the back of nurses Nurse starting salary in 2010 approx £21,180 . Nurse starting salary in 2018 £21,900 8 years approx 3•5% Same period MP salaries up nearly 20% So what percentage should nurses get? Think this is the 3rd time of asking? So, A newly qualified Band 5 NHS Nurse currently earns £24,907. Whilst it's still a low wage, you're 3k out. As I've stated already, it doesn't matter what I think. I don't work for the NHS. My comment about people reacting is because it's only just started. It's not even close to done I apologise for the figures accuracy. However you've just said nurses are low paid. It does matter what you think, you vote. Are you going to vote for a party that thinks 1% is an acceptable offer? Perhaps you could offer them a few claps? In terms of clapping for them. No I will not clap, neither did I clap last year. It's nothing but a PR stunt. Most NHS workers I know hated it. They are actually just normal people who want to do their job, and some actually felt embarrassed by it. If you know any NHS workers, ask them whether they enjoy that clapping." And still you won't say what percentage the nurses should get. | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Ok, what percentage do you think they should get? It doesn't really matter what I think they should get. Contract negotiations are about much much more than base pay. No, you've made some very contentious posts on here, so about time you made your position clear regarding what's fair for nurses. What percentage? What's contentious about what I've said? Every one reacting like it's a knife to the heart Actually it's a knife in the back of nurses Nurse starting salary in 2010 approx £21,180 . Nurse starting salary in 2018 £21,900 8 years approx 3•5% Same period MP salaries up nearly 20% So what percentage should nurses get? Think this is the 3rd time of asking? So, A newly qualified Band 5 NHS Nurse currently earns £24,907. Whilst it's still a low wage, you're 3k out. As I've stated already, it doesn't matter what I think. I don't work for the NHS. My comment about people reacting is because it's only just started. It's not even close to done I apologise for the figures accuracy. However you've just said nurses are low paid. It does matter what you think, you vote. Are you going to vote for a party that thinks 1% is an acceptable offer? Perhaps you could offer them a few claps? In terms of clapping for them. No I will not clap, neither did I clap last year. It's nothing but a PR stunt. Most NHS workers I know hated it. They are actually just normal people who want to do their job, and some actually felt embarrassed by it. If you know any NHS workers, ask them whether they enjoy that clapping. And still you won't say what percentage the nurses should get. " what do you think they should get tho ? | |||
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" 1st April 2020 marked the start of the third and final year of the three year deal agreed by the NHS Council in 2018." You mean the one that was actually enshrined in law meaning they should get 2.1% but the government are now reneging on... you mean that one! Well..... one rule for some it appears... waiting for the independent pay review body to make their suggestion known in may, and expect the government to ignore that one as well... It must be tough being a Tory mp when the hill’s you are expected to die on are refusing kids free schools meals during a pandemic and stiffing NHS frontline staff out of money... | |||
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" 1st April 2020 marked the start of the third and final year of the three year deal agreed by the NHS Council in 2018. You mean the one that was actually enshrined in law meaning they should get 2.1% but the government are now reneging on... you mean that one! Well..... one rule for some it appears... waiting for the independent pay review body to make their suggestion known in may, and expect the government to ignore that one as well... It must be tough being a Tory mp when the hill’s you are expected to die on are refusing kids free schools meals during a pandemic and stiffing NHS frontline staff out of money... " soooo what do you think they should get how hard is that lol | |||
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"What is there to say? The government have made a recommendation that goes to the pay review board. Unions will do their part and then they will all argue and settle on more than the 1%. Right now, it's not a done deal and everyone is acting like it's a knife to the heart. Is it low? Yes it is, but all negotiations start with one side low and the other high. Let's see how it play out before we cast our aspersions. It's not a staring offer,its the gmnt recommendation. It's been universally condemned. The fact that the usual suspects cant utter a word of even mild criticsm just shows just how 'impartial' their opinions are. The only thing I will add is that whilst the nhs is getting all the headlines, there are 100,000s of other people who worked through the pandemic who have been thanked with a pay freeze. Whether this translates into widespread industrial actin depends how pissed off people are. Do you honestly believe 1% is what they will end up with? Maybe you missed the part where they will all argue and settle on something higher. It's something unions are actually good for. Ok, what percentage do you think they should get? It doesn't really matter what I think they should get. Contract negotiations are about much much more than base pay. No, you've made some very contentious posts on here, so about time you made your position clear regarding what's fair for nurses. What percentage? What's contentious about what I've said? Every one reacting like it's a knife to the heart Actually it's a knife in the back of nurses Nurse starting salary in 2010 approx £21,180 . Nurse starting salary in 2018 £21,900 8 years approx 3•5% Same period MP salaries up nearly 20% So what percentage should nurses get? Think this is the 3rd time of asking? So, A newly qualified Band 5 NHS Nurse currently earns £24,907. Whilst it's still a low wage, you're 3k out. As I've stated already, it doesn't matter what I think. I don't work for the NHS. My comment about people reacting is because it's only just started. It's not even close to done I apologise for the figures accuracy. However you've just said nurses are low paid. It does matter what you think, you vote. Are you going to vote for a party that thinks 1% is an acceptable offer? Perhaps you could offer them a few claps? In terms of clapping for them. No I will not clap, neither did I clap last year. It's nothing but a PR stunt. Most NHS workers I know hated it. They are actually just normal people who want to do their job, and some actually felt embarrassed by it. If you know any NHS workers, ask them whether they enjoy that clapping. And still you won't say what percentage the nurses should get. what do you think they should get tho ?" 5% | |||
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" 1st April 2020 marked the start of the third and final year of the three year deal agreed by the NHS Council in 2018. You mean the one that was actually enshrined in law meaning they should get 2.1% but the government are now reneging on... you mean that one! Well..... one rule for some it appears... waiting for the independent pay review body to make their suggestion known in may, and expect the government to ignore that one as well... It must be tough being a Tory mp when the hill’s you are expected to die on are refusing kids free schools meals during a pandemic and stiffing NHS frontline staff out of money... That pay deal is now ending. Hence they are making a new recommendation for the next deal." What percentage should they get? Think this is the 5th ? Time of asking. | |||
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" 1st April 2020 marked the start of the third and final year of the three year deal agreed by the NHS Council in 2018. You mean the one that was actually enshrined in law meaning they should get 2.1% but the government are now reneging on... you mean that one! Well..... one rule for some it appears... waiting for the independent pay review body to make their suggestion known in may, and expect the government to ignore that one as well... It must be tough being a Tory mp when the hill’s you are expected to die on are refusing kids free schools meals during a pandemic and stiffing NHS frontline staff out of money... That pay deal is now ending. Hence they are making a new recommendation for the next deal. What percentage should they get? Think this is the 5th ? Time of asking." You can keep asking. It still doesn't matter what I think. | |||
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" 1st April 2020 marked the start of the third and final year of the three year deal agreed by the NHS Council in 2018. You mean the one that was actually enshrined in law meaning they should get 2.1% but the government are now reneging on... you mean that one! Well..... one rule for some it appears... waiting for the independent pay review body to make their suggestion known in may, and expect the government to ignore that one as well... It must be tough being a Tory mp when the hill’s you are expected to die on are refusing kids free schools meals during a pandemic and stiffing NHS frontline staff out of money... That pay deal is now ending. Hence they are making a new recommendation for the next deal. What percentage should they get? Think this is the 5th ? Time of asking. You can keep asking. It still doesn't matter what I think." You vote, it matters. Why are you so shy at putting a figure up? | |||
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" 1st April 2020 marked the start of the third and final year of the three year deal agreed by the NHS Council in 2018. You mean the one that was actually enshrined in law meaning they should get 2.1% but the government are now reneging on... you mean that one! Well..... one rule for some it appears... waiting for the independent pay review body to make their suggestion known in may, and expect the government to ignore that one as well... It must be tough being a Tory mp when the hill’s you are expected to die on are refusing kids free schools meals during a pandemic and stiffing NHS frontline staff out of money... That pay deal is now ending. Hence they are making a new recommendation for the next deal. What percentage should they get? Think this is the 5th ? Time of asking. You can keep asking. It still doesn't matter what I think. You vote, it matters. Why are you so shy at putting a figure up?" I'm not shy at putting a figure up. As I said before, base salary is a small part of contract negotiations. I don't know how much they 'deserve' as I don't know what else in the contract. Maybe you'll understand one day that it isn't as simple as just giving a figure. | |||
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"My answer for this joke, is to give the government a pay freeze. After the amount their wages went up, it should be able to give some key workers a slightly better raise." Already done ... both MP and Ministerial salaries - frozen. | |||
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"My answer for this joke, is to give the government a pay freeze. After the amount their wages went up, it should be able to give some key workers a slightly better raise." For many of them ,their salary is immaterial. Its all the perks,2and,3rd jobs.consultancies etc.. Look at the likes of reece mogg..he probably doesnt even need his salary. | |||
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"My answer for this joke, is to give the government a pay freeze. After the amount their wages went up, it should be able to give some key workers a slightly better raise. For many of them ,their salary is immaterial. Its all the perks,2and,3rd jobs.consultancies etc.. Look at the likes of reece mogg..he probably doesnt even need his salary." In many countries giving consultations for a remuneration while an MP will put that person behind the bars. | |||
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