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"He is good at pmq. His legal background serves him well and that probally his greatest strength . On the negative side he isnt the most charismatic of politicians (but I guess that depends on the importance you attach to charisma, personally I'd prefer substance) He seems to have very little passion or conviction He will live or die by his policies. Personally I think he is another ed Miliband. There is already talk of hom being replaced " He hasn’t been as good as I was hoping, it is difficult for him to hold the government and Boris to account because they continually lie with impunity. SKS told one untruth during PMQs and got crucified, Boris tells about 5 lies a week | |||
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"He is good at pmq. His legal background serves him well and that probally his greatest strength . On the negative side he isnt the most charismatic of politicians (but I guess that depends on the importance you attach to charisma, personally I'd prefer substance) He seems to have very little passion or conviction He will live or die by his policies. Personally I think he is another ed Miliband. There is already talk of hom being replaced He hasn’t been as good as I was hoping, it is difficult for him to hold the government and Boris to account because they continually lie with impunity. SKS told one untruth during PMQs and got crucified, Boris tells about 5 lies a week " Agreed. When he does try to hold the gmnt to account he gets hammered(captain hindsight etc) However his comments on hancock were hugely disappointing. | |||
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"As I've said before a government is only as good as the opposition it faces. Weak at the present time. He seems to come out with 'ideas' that the government have already been discussing, in a preemptive move, like the schools issue that is relevant at the present time. He, or labour seem to have no ideas of their own. He should be good at pmqs given his background but doesn't really convince me. No axe to grind, just seems bland. " Apart from your opening statement. I agree. I think a good opposition helps to keep the government in check. But can still have a good government with a weak opposition, assuming the gov has integrity. Which makes my argument entirely hypothetical. But there we go. | |||
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"As I've said before a government is only as good as the opposition it faces. Weak at the present time. He seems to come out with 'ideas' that the government have already been discussing, in a preemptive move, like the schools issue that is relevant at the present time. He, or labour seem to have no ideas of their own. He should be good at pmqs given his background but doesn't really convince me. No axe to grind, just seems bland. " In regards the schools im not sure you can have opinions of your own You listen to the experts and take it from there. | |||
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"As I've said before a government is only as good as the opposition it faces. Weak at the present time. He seems to come out with 'ideas' that the government have already been discussing, in a preemptive move, like the schools issue that is relevant at the present time. He, or labour seem to have no ideas of their own. He should be good at pmqs given his background but doesn't really convince me. No axe to grind, just seems bland. In regards the schools im not sure you can have opinions of your own You listen to the experts and take it from there." Is that what the government are doing then, Lionel? | |||
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"I think Labour are just happy to be in opposition. Let's face it, why else would you choose Milliband, Corbyn and Starmer as your leader? " Of course they are its so much easier telling people what should have been done after the event or opposing rather than doing and the majority of them are on the same money without the responsibility. | |||
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"He’s come across as a bit of a damp dishcloth for me. Intelligent and articulate without coming across as a tinpot revolutionary with shouty fiery rhetoric, but he’s got no oomph. He hasn’t provided any kind of opposition in any meaningful way to me. The other Trouble is I can’t really see any other bright lights of potential leadership in Labour at the minute. If he is to end up as a kind of caretaker, it’ll be to step aside for someone that no one is expecting. " I quite like Burnham..Laura pidcock looked to have a bright future until the good people of Durham decided to vote her out. You would struggle to count on 1 hand the number of outstanding politicians in any party. | |||
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"He’s come across as a bit of a damp dishcloth for me. Intelligent and articulate without coming across as a tinpot revolutionary with shouty fiery rhetoric, but he’s got no oomph. He hasn’t provided any kind of opposition in any meaningful way to me. The other Trouble is I can’t really see any other bright lights of potential leadership in Labour at the minute. If he is to end up as a kind of caretaker, it’ll be to step aside for someone that no one is expecting. I quite like Burnham..Laura pidcock looked to have a bright future until the good people of Durham decided to vote her out. You would struggle to count on 1 hand the number of outstanding politicians in any party. " burnham or nandy would of been better at pulling back the lost northern voters Lionel | |||
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"He’s come across as a bit of a damp dishcloth for me. Intelligent and articulate without coming across as a tinpot revolutionary with shouty fiery rhetoric, but he’s got no oomph. He hasn’t provided any kind of opposition in any meaningful way to me. The other Trouble is I can’t really see any other bright lights of potential leadership in Labour at the minute. If he is to end up as a kind of caretaker, it’ll be to step aside for someone that no one is expecting. I quite like Burnham..Laura pidcock looked to have a bright future until the good people of Durham decided to vote her out. You would struggle to count on 1 hand the number of outstanding politicians in any party. burnham or nandy would of been better at pulling back the lost northern voters Lionel " I agree. Burnham wasnt even in the running though. I think they wanted someone to drag labour back to the centre and they got him. | |||
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"He’s come across as a bit of a damp dishcloth for me. Intelligent and articulate without coming across as a tinpot revolutionary with shouty fiery rhetoric, but he’s got no oomph. He hasn’t provided any kind of opposition in any meaningful way to me. The other Trouble is I can’t really see any other bright lights of potential leadership in Labour at the minute. If he is to end up as a kind of caretaker, it’ll be to step aside for someone that no one is expecting. I quite like Burnham..Laura pidcock looked to have a bright future until the good people of Durham decided to vote her out. You would struggle to count on 1 hand the number of outstanding politicians in any party. burnham or nandy would of been better at pulling back the lost northern voters Lionel I agree. Burnham wasnt even in the running though. I think they wanted someone to drag labour back to the centre and they got him." he’s a big loss for labour | |||
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"He’s come across as a bit of a damp dishcloth for me. Intelligent and articulate without coming across as a tinpot revolutionary with shouty fiery rhetoric, but he’s got no oomph. He hasn’t provided any kind of opposition in any meaningful way to me. The other Trouble is I can’t really see any other bright lights of potential leadership in Labour at the minute. If he is to end up as a kind of caretaker, it’ll be to step aside for someone that no one is expecting. I quite like Burnham..Laura pidcock looked to have a bright future until the good people of Durham decided to vote her out. You would struggle to count on 1 hand the number of outstanding politicians in any party. burnham or nandy would of been better at pulling back the lost northern voters Lionel I agree. Burnham wasnt even in the running though. I think they wanted someone to drag labour back to the centre and they got him.he’s a big loss for labour " Its early days but it's not looking good. | |||
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"And I do mean this as a serious question. I'm not asking it after reading the DM (which actually I don't and never have). Do people think - from every political spectrum - that he will just end up being a caretaker opposition leader until such time as an election is set? I find him very very confusing in that I just can't get a handle on what he really believes in. He appears to be a 'nice uncle' type - the one you really don't mind having around but a bit dull when it comes to the garden party or bar-b-q. Reliable perhaps. Seems honest and decent plays the power game well (otherwise he wouldn't be where he is in politics after-all). But is he the stuff of the next Prime Minister? Can any country in the world just have a nice decent chap who you wouldn't mind babysitting your children for the weekend. I don't intend this thread to be a name-calling exercise - so please try not to have it end up that way. (Incidently I'm NOT a one Party follower. I will vote for the issues of the time.) "I had very high hopes for SKS at the start but have to say that's dwindled a bit. Like many I want to hear his ideas, his vision , his way forward instead of only commenting on the government's positions. Not writing him off though and will give him a fair hearing at the next GE | |||
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"He is good at pmq. His legal background serves him well and that probally his greatest strength . On the negative side he isnt the most charismatic of politicians (but I guess that depends on the importance you attach to charisma, personally I'd prefer substance) He seems to have very little passion or conviction He will live or die by his policies. Personally I think he is another ed Miliband. There is already talk of hom being replaced He hasn’t been as good as I was hoping, it is difficult for him to hold the government and Boris to account because they continually lie with impunity. SKS told one untruth during PMQs and got crucified, Boris tells about 5 lies a week Agreed. When he does try to hold the gmnt to account he gets hammered(captain hindsight etc) However his comments on hancock were hugely disappointing. " Are you guys one in the same ffs, he is as crap as Blair as leader of a socialist party & here lies the problem x Ask anyone I didn’t like Corbyn & still don’t mainly because of his alleged racism & support or sympathy for alleged terrorist x but at least he was a socialist & an honest person who believed in their politics x. SKS although another white privileged privately educated leader of the Labour Party does not know the meaning of socialism, just as socialist who work in government departments don’t know what socialism is. None of them want to share the wealth they have tied up in their pensions that private sector workers lost under Gordon Brown & his tax grab on final salary pension scheme xx | |||
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"He’s come across as a bit of a damp dishcloth for me. Intelligent and articulate without coming across as a tinpot revolutionary with shouty fiery rhetoric, but he’s got no oomph. He hasn’t provided any kind of opposition in any meaningful way to me. The other Trouble is I can’t really see any other bright lights of potential leadership in Labour at the minute. If he is to end up as a kind of caretaker, it’ll be to step aside for someone that no one is expecting. I quite like Burnham..Laura pidcock looked to have a bright future until the good people of Durham decided to vote her out. You would struggle to count on 1 hand the number of outstanding politicians in any party. burnham or nandy would of been better at pulling back the lost northern voters Lionel " Problem is Nandy looks like she’s sensible and seems clued up...but then drops a load of weird, social justice warrior crap, like her recent idea of turning the army into a peace corps. Might sound great to middle class folk in the south but Northerners will always call it what it is - idiotic. Can’t take her seriously anymore. Burnham impressed me actually standing up for his citizens when the tier system came in. Impressive stuff. | |||
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"He is good at pmq. His legal background serves him well and that probally his greatest strength . On the negative side he isnt the most charismatic of politicians (but I guess that depends on the importance you attach to charisma, personally I'd prefer substance) He seems to have very little passion or conviction He will live or die by his policies. Personally I think he is another ed Miliband. There is already talk of hom being replaced He hasn’t been as good as I was hoping, it is difficult for him to hold the government and Boris to account because they continually lie with impunity. SKS told one untruth during PMQs and got crucified, Boris tells about 5 lies a week Agreed. When he does try to hold the gmnt to account he gets hammered(captain hindsight etc) However his comments on hancock were hugely disappointing. Are you guys one in the same ffs, he is as crap as Blair as leader of a socialist party & here lies the problem x Ask anyone I didn’t like Corbyn & still don’t mainly because of his alleged racism & support or sympathy for alleged terrorist x but at least he was a socialist & an honest person who believed in their politics x. SKS although another white privileged privately educated leader of the Labour Party does not know the meaning of socialism, just as socialist who work in government departments don’t know what socialism is. None of them want to share the wealth they have tied up in their pensions that private sector workers lost under Gordon Brown & his tax grab on final salary pension scheme xx" That was just a bunch or random words  | |||
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"He’s come across as a bit of a damp dishcloth for me. Intelligent and articulate without coming across as a tinpot revolutionary with shouty fiery rhetoric, but he’s got no oomph. He hasn’t provided any kind of opposition in any meaningful way to me. The other Trouble is I can’t really see any other bright lights of potential leadership in Labour at the minute. If he is to end up as a kind of caretaker, it’ll be to step aside for someone that no one is expecting. I quite like Burnham..Laura pidcock looked to have a bright future until the good people of Durham decided to vote her out. You would struggle to count on 1 hand the number of outstanding politicians in any party. burnham or nandy would of been better at pulling back the lost northern voters Lionel " Have Greater Manchester Police manage to find the fucker Burnham scouse accent yet? Does he really need glasses, or is he still pretending he’s got intelligent & is sincere another pig with their snout in the trough lmfao x | |||
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"And I do mean this as a serious question. I'm not asking it after reading the DM (which actually I don't and never have). Do people think - from every political spectrum - that he will just end up being a caretaker opposition leader until such time as an election is set? I find him very very confusing in that I just can't get a handle on what he really believes in. He appears to be a 'nice uncle' type - the one you really don't mind having around but a bit dull when it comes to the garden party or bar-b-q. Reliable perhaps. Seems honest and decent plays the power game well (otherwise he wouldn't be where he is in politics after-all). But is he the stuff of the next Prime Minister? Can any country in the world just have a nice decent chap who you wouldn't mind babysitting your children for the weekend. I don't intend this thread to be a name-calling exercise - so please try not to have it end up that way. (Incidently I'm NOT a one Party follower. I will vote for the issues of the time.) "By and large then the answer is; Yes he needs to be replaced. The next UK Election is Thursday 2 May 2024. That isn't very far into the future with regard to the picking of a new leader for your party - under Labour that could easily take twelve months of arguing between the different factions and SKS being ousted. Then the new leader would have to 'settle' the party and form it's new/clear direction. The greatest criticism (leaving Leaders out of it) about their loss was that the Policy was either all over the place or non-existent. All in all it seems it would be a close-call to get organized and ready for Thursday 2 May 2024 do you think? | |||
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"And I do mean this as a serious question. I'm not asking it after reading the DM (which actually I don't and never have). Do people think - from every political spectrum - that he will just end up being a caretaker opposition leader until such time as an election is set? I find him very very confusing in that I just can't get a handle on what he really believes in. He appears to be a 'nice uncle' type - the one you really don't mind having around but a bit dull when it comes to the garden party or bar-b-q. Reliable perhaps. Seems honest and decent plays the power game well (otherwise he wouldn't be where he is in politics after-all). But is he the stuff of the next Prime Minister? Can any country in the world just have a nice decent chap who you wouldn't mind babysitting your children for the weekend. I don't intend this thread to be a name-calling exercise - so please try not to have it end up that way. (Incidently I'm NOT a one Party follower. I will vote for the issues of the time.)
By and large then the answer is; Yes he needs to be replaced.
The next UK Election is Thursday 2 May 2024. That isn't very far into the future with regard to the picking of a new leader for your party - under Labour that could easily take twelve months of arguing between the different factions and SKS being ousted. Then the new leader would have to 'settle' the party and form it's new/clear direction.
The greatest criticism (leaving Leaders out of it) about their loss was that the Policy was either all over the place or non-existent.
All in all it seems it would be a close-call to get organized and ready for Thursday 2 May 2024 do you think?
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"And I do mean this as a serious question. I'm not asking it after reading the DM (which actually I don't and never have). Do people think - from every political spectrum - that he will just end up being a caretaker opposition leader until such time as an election is set? I find him very very confusing in that I just can't get a handle on what he really believes in. He appears to be a 'nice uncle' type - the one you really don't mind having around but a bit dull when it comes to the garden party or bar-b-q. Reliable perhaps. Seems honest and decent plays the power game well (otherwise he wouldn't be where he is in politics after-all). But is he the stuff of the next Prime Minister? Can any country in the world just have a nice decent chap who you wouldn't mind babysitting your children for the weekend. I don't intend this thread to be a name-calling exercise - so please try not to have it end up that way. (Incidently I'm NOT a one Party follower. I will vote for the issues of the time.)
By and large then the answer is; Yes he needs to be replaced.
The next UK Election is Thursday 2 May 2024. That isn't very far into the future with regard to the picking of a new leader for your party - under Labour that could easily take twelve months of arguing between the different factions and SKS being ousted. Then the new leader would have to 'settle' the party and form it's new/clear direction.
The greatest criticism (leaving Leaders out of it) about their loss was that the Policy was either all over the place or non-existent.
All in all it seems it would be a close-call to get organized and ready for Thursday 2 May 2024 do you think?
& who will she/he be standing against? Will Boris last this long? "He isnt looking too healthy. | |||
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"In my humble opinion the 2019 election was a Johnson versus Corbyn head to head . It didn’t matter about much else , policies etc . Let’s be honest Corbyn was painted as such a Trotskyite even if he had of promised 20kilos of gold bars to every household in Britain, he still wouldn’t have got in .. He was a dead duck .. Fast forward a couple of years to when he was up against May , and Corbyn almost did it .. She had to go running to the DUP as we know , so what was different? Ok Mrs May was weak and wobbly , yes . However what Corbyn managed to do was immobilise the youth . He had the summer of love ( fortunate timing perhaps ) were he appeared at _estivals and the likes . Kids were seen chanting his name , like football hero’s from the terraces . A record turnout of 18 to 26 year olds voted that summer and nearly got him past the post . Yup he lost it 2 years later a winter election probably sending the kids to the comfort of their bedrooms giving a fuck about what the youth more usually give a fuck about . A couple of political commentators I read picked up in this , however labour do not seem to realise the potential of this huge block of votes . Scotland has gone for labour , the mythical red wall ( which I believe does not really exist ) have no love for Starmer so far , and why should they ? That Sir in front of his name paints him as one of them not one of us types .and the kids he is as attractive as Tea with no sugar .. I think what most people have said in this thread is correct , he needs to come with something . The strength of a country lays in its youth , and at the moment our youth is very disenfranchised.. It’s a foolish opposition leader who disregards that , especially when the rest of the country can take you or leave you cause you don’t seem so special after all " I read somewhere that if something like 20,000 votes in key constituencies had gone the other way,labour would have won that election. That's how close it was. Agree about the youth vote ,I think brexit and the last election has disenfranchised huge numbers of them. | |||
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"he needs to come with something . The strength of a country lays in its youth , and at the moment our youth is very disenfranchised.. It’s a foolish opposition leader who disregards that , especially when the rest of the country can take you or leave you cause you don’t seem so special after all "  | |||
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"In my humble opinion the 2019 election was a Johnson versus Corbyn head to head . It didn’t matter about much else , policies etc . Let’s be honest Corbyn was painted as such a Trotskyite even if he had of promised 20kilos of gold bars to every household in Britain, he still wouldn’t have got in .. He was a dead duck .. Fast forward a couple of years to when he was up against May , and Corbyn almost did it .. She had to go running to the DUP as we know , so what was different? Ok Mrs May was weak and wobbly , yes . However what Corbyn managed to do was immobilise the youth . He had the summer of love ( fortunate timing perhaps ) were he appeared at _estivals and the likes . Kids were seen chanting his name , like football hero’s from the terraces . A record turnout of 18 to 26 year olds voted that summer and nearly got him past the post . Yup he lost it 2 years later a winter election probably sending the kids to the comfort of their bedrooms giving a fuck about what the youth more usually give a fuck about . A couple of political commentators I read picked up in this , however labour do not seem to realise the potential of this huge block of votes . Scotland has gone for labour , the mythical red wall ( which I believe does not really exist ) have no love for Starmer so far , and why should they ? That Sir in front of his name paints him as one of them not one of us types .and the kids he is as attractive as Tea with no sugar .. I think what most people have said in this thread is correct , he needs to come with something . The strength of a country lays in its youth , and at the moment our youth is very disenfranchised.. It’s a foolish opposition leader who disregards that , especially when the rest of the country can take you or leave you cause you don’t seem so special after all I read somewhere that if something like 20,000 votes in key constituencies had gone the other way,labour would have won that election. That's how close it was. Agree about the youth vote ,I think brexit and the last election has disenfranchised huge numbers of them." And Covid .. I read and hear it all the time .. They want there life back , they want their party’s back , There universities back . They don’t see it as their problem ( rightly or wrongly that’s another discussion) .. If the government gets this wrong and an unthinkable further lockdown occurs  someone has to pick up that angry youth vote | |||
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"In my humble opinion the 2019 election was a Johnson versus Corbyn head to head . It didn’t matter about much else , policies etc . Let’s be honest Corbyn was painted as such a Trotskyite even if he had of promised 20kilos of gold bars to every household in Britain, he still wouldn’t have got in .. He was a dead duck .. Fast forward a couple of years to when he was up against May , and Corbyn almost did it .. She had to go running to the DUP as we know , so what was different? Ok Mrs May was weak and wobbly , yes . However what Corbyn managed to do was immobilise the youth . He had the summer of love ( fortunate timing perhaps ) were he appeared at _estivals and the likes . Kids were seen chanting his name , like football hero’s from the terraces . A record turnout of 18 to 26 year olds voted that summer and nearly got him past the post . Yup he lost it 2 years later a winter election probably sending the kids to the comfort of their bedrooms giving a fuck about what the youth more usually give a fuck about . A couple of political commentators I read picked up in this , however labour do not seem to realise the potential of this huge block of votes . Scotland has gone for labour , the mythical red wall ( which I believe does not really exist ) have no love for Starmer so far , and why should they ? That Sir in front of his name paints him as one of them not one of us types .and the kids he is as attractive as Tea with no sugar .. I think what most people have said in this thread is correct , he needs to come with something . The strength of a country lays in its youth , and at the moment our youth is very disenfranchised.. It’s a foolish opposition leader who disregards that , especially when the rest of the country can take you or leave you cause you don’t seem so special after all I read somewhere that if something like 20,000 votes in key constituencies had gone the other way,labour would have won that election. That's how close it was. Agree about the youth vote ,I think brexit and the last election has disenfranchised huge numbers of them. And Covid .. I read and hear it all the time .. They want there life back , they want their party’s back , There universities back . They don’t see it as their problem ( rightly or wrongly that’s another discussion) .. If the government gets this wrong and an unthinkable further lockdown occurs someone has to pick up that angry youth vote "They're not immediate fans of Boris Johnson either so the potential is there. So if Sir Keir Starmer isn't lifting spirits, I dread to think what the younger generation make of him. | |||
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"In my humble opinion the 2019 election was a Johnson versus Corbyn head to head . It didn’t matter about much else , policies etc . Let’s be honest Corbyn was painted as such a Trotskyite even if he had of promised 20kilos of gold bars to every household in Britain, he still wouldn’t have got in .. He was a dead duck .. Fast forward a couple of years to when he was up against May , and Corbyn almost did it .. She had to go running to the DUP as we know , so what was different? Ok Mrs May was weak and wobbly , yes . However what Corbyn managed to do was immobilise the youth . He had the summer of love ( fortunate timing perhaps ) were he appeared at _estivals and the likes . Kids were seen chanting his name , like football hero’s from the terraces . A record turnout of 18 to 26 year olds voted that summer and nearly got him past the post . Yup he lost it 2 years later a winter election probably sending the kids to the comfort of their bedrooms giving a fuck about what the youth more usually give a fuck about . A couple of political commentators I read picked up in this , however labour do not seem to realise the potential of this huge block of votes . Scotland has gone for labour , the mythical red wall ( which I believe does not really exist ) have no love for Starmer so far , and why should they ? That Sir in front of his name paints him as one of them not one of us types .and the kids he is as attractive as Tea with no sugar .. I think what most people have said in this thread is correct , he needs to come with something . The strength of a country lays in its youth , and at the moment our youth is very disenfranchised.. It’s a foolish opposition leader who disregards that , especially when the rest of the country can take you or leave you cause you don’t seem so special after all I read somewhere that if something like 20,000 votes in key constituencies had gone the other way,labour would have won that election. That's how close it was. Agree about the youth vote ,I think brexit and the last election has disenfranchised huge numbers of them. And Covid .. I read and hear it all the time .. They want there life back , they want their party’s back , There universities back . They don’t see it as their problem ( rightly or wrongly that’s another discussion) .. If the government gets this wrong and an unthinkable further lockdown occurs someone has to pick up that angry youth vote "The focus groups seem to be telling him to concentrate on the middle England demographic. | |||
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"In my humble opinion the 2019 election was a Johnson versus Corbyn head to head . It didn’t matter about much else , policies etc . Let’s be honest Corbyn was painted as such a Trotskyite even if he had of promised 20kilos of gold bars to every household in Britain, he still wouldn’t have got in .. He was a dead duck .. Fast forward a couple of years to when he was up against May , and Corbyn almost did it .. She had to go running to the DUP as we know , so what was different? Ok Mrs May was weak and wobbly , yes . However what Corbyn managed to do was immobilise the youth . He had the summer of love ( fortunate timing perhaps ) were he appeared at _estivals and the likes . Kids were seen chanting his name , like football hero’s from the terraces . A record turnout of 18 to 26 year olds voted that summer and nearly got him past the post . Yup he lost it 2 years later a winter election probably sending the kids to the comfort of their bedrooms giving a fuck about what the youth more usually give a fuck about . A couple of political commentators I read picked up in this , however labour do not seem to realise the potential of this huge block of votes . Scotland has gone for labour , the mythical red wall ( which I believe does not really exist ) have no love for Starmer so far , and why should they ? That Sir in front of his name paints him as one of them not one of us types .and the kids he is as attractive as Tea with no sugar .. I think what most people have said in this thread is correct , he needs to come with something . The strength of a country lays in its youth , and at the moment our youth is very disenfranchised.. It’s a foolish opposition leader who disregards that , especially when the rest of the country can take you or leave you cause you don’t seem so special after all " best post of the day agree with every word | |||
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"In my humble opinion the 2019 election was a Johnson versus Corbyn head to head . It didn’t matter about much else , policies etc . Let’s be honest Corbyn was painted as such a Trotskyite even if he had of promised 20kilos of gold bars to every household in Britain, he still wouldn’t have got in .. He was a dead duck .. Fast forward a couple of years to when he was up against May , and Corbyn almost did it .. She had to go running to the DUP as we know , so what was different? Ok Mrs May was weak and wobbly , yes . However what Corbyn managed to do was immobilise the youth . He had the summer of love ( fortunate timing perhaps ) were he appeared at _estivals and the likes . Kids were seen chanting his name , like football hero’s from the terraces . A record turnout of 18 to 26 year olds voted that summer and nearly got him past the post . Yup he lost it 2 years later a winter election probably sending the kids to the comfort of their bedrooms giving a fuck about what the youth more usually give a fuck about . A couple of political commentators I read picked up in this , however labour do not seem to realise the potential of this huge block of votes . Scotland has gone for labour , the mythical red wall ( which I believe does not really exist ) have no love for Starmer so far , and why should they ? That Sir in front of his name paints him as one of them not one of us types .and the kids he is as attractive as Tea with no sugar .. I think what most people have said in this thread is correct , he needs to come with something . The strength of a country lays in its youth , and at the moment our youth is very disenfranchised.. It’s a foolish opposition leader who disregards that , especially when the rest of the country can take you or leave you cause you don’t seem so special after all I read somewhere that if something like 20,000 votes in key constituencies had gone the other way,labour would have won that election. That's how close it was. Agree about the youth vote ,I think brexit and the last election has disenfranchised huge numbers of them. And Covid .. I read and hear it all the time .. They want there life back , they want their party’s back , There universities back . They don’t see it as their problem ( rightly or wrongly that’s another discussion) .. If the government gets this wrong and an unthinkable further lockdown occurs someone has to pick up that angry youth vote
The focus groups seem to be telling him to concentrate on the middle England demographic. "Blair saw the power of the youth vote when he did all that “ Cool Britannia “ and courted all the bands like Oasis and had them round number 10 . And he got away with it cause he didn’t go that nuts when his boy got d*unk and fell in the fountain at trafalgar . He came across as a bit of a ok Dad .. If I was a focus group leader for Starmer I would be telling him to promise all 18 to 25 year olds free ice cream till there 65 and to proclaim Happy hour would be every hour on the hour forever .. A bit tongue in cheek that bit , but you get what I mean . Mind you Starmer on stage at Glastonbury might be a bit painful to watch | |||
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"In my humble opinion the 2019 election was a Johnson versus Corbyn head to head . It didn’t matter about much else , policies etc . Let’s be honest Corbyn was painted as such a Trotskyite even if he had of promised 20kilos of gold bars to every household in Britain, he still wouldn’t have got in .. He was a dead duck .. Fast forward a couple of years to when he was up against May , and Corbyn almost did it .. She had to go running to the DUP as we know , so what was different? Ok Mrs May was weak and wobbly , yes . However what Corbyn managed to do was immobilise the youth . He had the summer of love ( fortunate timing perhaps ) were he appeared at _estivals and the likes . Kids were seen chanting his name , like football hero’s from the terraces . A record turnout of 18 to 26 year olds voted that summer and nearly got him past the post . Yup he lost it 2 years later a winter election probably sending the kids to the comfort of their bedrooms giving a fuck about what the youth more usually give a fuck about . A couple of political commentators I read picked up in this , however labour do not seem to realise the potential of this huge block of votes . Scotland has gone for labour , the mythical red wall ( which I believe does not really exist ) have no love for Starmer so far , and why should they ? That Sir in front of his name paints him as one of them not one of us types .and the kids he is as attractive as Tea with no sugar .. I think what most people have said in this thread is correct , he needs to come with something . The strength of a country lays in its youth , and at the moment our youth is very disenfranchised.. It’s a foolish opposition leader who disregards that , especially when the rest of the country can take you or leave you cause you don’t seem so special after all I read somewhere that if something like 20,000 votes in key constituencies had gone the other way,labour would have won that election. That's how close it was. Agree about the youth vote ,I think brexit and the last election has disenfranchised huge numbers of them. And Covid .. I read and hear it all the time .. They want there life back , they want their party’s back , There universities back . They don’t see it as their problem ( rightly or wrongly that’s another discussion) .. If the government gets this wrong and an unthinkable further lockdown occurs someone has to pick up that angry youth vote
The focus groups seem to be telling him to concentrate on the middle England demographic.
Blair saw the power of the youth vote when he did all that “ Cool Britannia “ and courted all the bands like Oasis and had them round number 10 . And he got away with it cause he didn’t go that nuts when his boy got d*unk and fell in the fountain at trafalgar . He came across as a bit of a ok Dad ..
If I was a focus group leader for Starmer I would be telling him to promise all 18 to 25 year olds free ice cream till there 65 and to proclaim Happy hour would be every hour on the hour forever .. A bit tongue in cheek that bit , but you get what I mean . Mind you Starmer on stage at Glastonbury might be a bit painful to watch "Corbyn seemed to attract that support without even trying. Maybe young people are just sick of that middle class suit and tie,estate agent chic so beloved of modern politicians. He was the exact opposite of that, and that's why he was so popular with that group. That is a huge demographic aswell which is just being ignored. | |||
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"In my humble opinion the 2019 election was a Johnson versus Corbyn head to head . It didn’t matter about much else , policies etc . Let’s be honest Corbyn was painted as such a Trotskyite even if he had of promised 20kilos of gold bars to every household in Britain, he still wouldn’t have got in .. He was a dead duck .. Fast forward a couple of years to when he was up against May , and Corbyn almost did it .. She had to go running to the DUP as we know , so what was different? Ok Mrs May was weak and wobbly , yes . However what Corbyn managed to do was immobilise the youth . He had the summer of love ( fortunate timing perhaps ) were he appeared at _estivals and the likes . Kids were seen chanting his name , like football hero’s from the terraces . A record turnout of 18 to 26 year olds voted that summer and nearly got him past the post . Yup he lost it 2 years later a winter election probably sending the kids to the comfort of their bedrooms giving a fuck about what the youth more usually give a fuck about . A couple of political commentators I read picked up in this , however labour do not seem to realise the potential of this huge block of votes . Scotland has gone for labour , the mythical red wall ( which I believe does not really exist ) have no love for Starmer so far , and why should they ? That Sir in front of his name paints him as one of them not one of us types .and the kids he is as attractive as Tea with no sugar .. I think what most people have said in this thread is correct , he needs to come with something . The strength of a country lays in its youth , and at the moment our youth is very disenfranchised.. It’s a foolish opposition leader who disregards that , especially when the rest of the country can take you or leave you cause you don’t seem so special after all I read somewhere that if something like 20,000 votes in key constituencies had gone the other way,labour would have won that election. That's how close it was. Agree about the youth vote ,I think brexit and the last election has disenfranchised huge numbers of them. And Covid .. I read and hear it all the time .. They want there life back , they want their party’s back , There universities back . They don’t see it as their problem ( rightly or wrongly that’s another discussion) .. If the government gets this wrong and an unthinkable further lockdown occurs someone has to pick up that angry youth vote
The focus groups seem to be telling him to concentrate on the middle England demographic.
Blair saw the power of the youth vote when he did all that “ Cool Britannia “ and courted all the bands like Oasis and had them round number 10 . And he got away with it cause he didn’t go that nuts when his boy got d*unk and fell in the fountain at trafalgar . He came across as a bit of a ok Dad ..
If I was a focus group leader for Starmer I would be telling him to promise all 18 to 25 year olds free ice cream till there 65 and to proclaim Happy hour would be every hour on the hour forever .. A bit tongue in cheek that bit , but you get what I mean . Mind you Starmer on stage at Glastonbury might be a bit painful to watch
Corbyn seemed to attract that support without even trying.
Maybe young people are just sick of that middle class suit and tie,estate agent chic so beloved of modern politicians.
He was the exact opposite of that, and that's why he was so popular with that group.
That is a huge demographic aswell which is just being ignored."Corbyn didn't try?? How about the scrapping of uni fees? The single biggest reason that demographic would've cared about. | |||
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"In my humble opinion the 2019 election was a Johnson versus Corbyn head to head . It didn’t matter about much else , policies etc . Let’s be honest Corbyn was painted as such a Trotskyite even if he had of promised 20kilos of gold bars to every household in Britain, he still wouldn’t have got in .. He was a dead duck .. Fast forward a couple of years to when he was up against May , and Corbyn almost did it .. She had to go running to the DUP as we know , so what was different? Ok Mrs May was weak and wobbly , yes . However what Corbyn managed to do was immobilise the youth . He had the summer of love ( fortunate timing perhaps ) were he appeared at _estivals and the likes . Kids were seen chanting his name , like football hero’s from the terraces . A record turnout of 18 to 26 year olds voted that summer and nearly got him past the post . Yup he lost it 2 years later a winter election probably sending the kids to the comfort of their bedrooms giving a fuck about what the youth more usually give a fuck about . A couple of political commentators I read picked up in this , however labour do not seem to realise the potential of this huge block of votes . Scotland has gone for labour , the mythical red wall ( which I believe does not really exist ) have no love for Starmer so far , and why should they ? That Sir in front of his name paints him as one of them not one of us types .and the kids he is as attractive as Tea with no sugar .. I think what most people have said in this thread is correct , he needs to come with something . The strength of a country lays in its youth , and at the moment our youth is very disenfranchised.. It’s a foolish opposition leader who disregards that , especially when the rest of the country can take you or leave you cause you don’t seem so special after all I read somewhere that if something like 20,000 votes in key constituencies had gone the other way,labour would have won that election. That's how close it was. Agree about the youth vote ,I think brexit and the last election has disenfranchised huge numbers of them. And Covid .. I read and hear it all the time .. They want there life back , they want their party’s back , There universities back . They don’t see it as their problem ( rightly or wrongly that’s another discussion) .. If the government gets this wrong and an unthinkable further lockdown occurs someone has to pick up that angry youth vote
The focus groups seem to be telling him to concentrate on the middle England demographic.
Blair saw the power of the youth vote when he did all that “ Cool Britannia “ and courted all the bands like Oasis and had them round number 10 . And he got away with it cause he didn’t go that nuts when his boy got d*unk and fell in the fountain at trafalgar . He came across as a bit of a ok Dad ..
If I was a focus group leader for Starmer I would be telling him to promise all 18 to 25 year olds free ice cream till there 65 and to proclaim Happy hour would be every hour on the hour forever .. A bit tongue in cheek that bit , but you get what I mean . Mind you Starmer on stage at Glastonbury might be a bit painful to watch
Corbyn seemed to attract that support without even trying.
Maybe young people are just sick of that middle class suit and tie,estate agent chic so beloved of modern politicians.
He was the exact opposite of that, and that's why he was so popular with that group.
That is a huge demographic aswell which is just being ignored."And don't forget momentum. Regardless of what anyone thinks about them, they were excellent at social media. Again, mostly used by that demographic. | |||
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"In my humble opinion the 2019 election was a Johnson versus Corbyn head to head . It didn’t matter about much else , policies etc . Let’s be honest Corbyn was painted as such a Trotskyite even if he had of promised 20kilos of gold bars to every household in Britain, he still wouldn’t have got in .. He was a dead duck .. Fast forward a couple of years to when he was up against May , and Corbyn almost did it .. She had to go running to the DUP as we know , so what was different? Ok Mrs May was weak and wobbly , yes . However what Corbyn managed to do was immobilise the youth . He had the summer of love ( fortunate timing perhaps ) were he appeared at _estivals and the likes . Kids were seen chanting his name , like football hero’s from the terraces . A record turnout of 18 to 26 year olds voted that summer and nearly got him past the post . Yup he lost it 2 years later a winter election probably sending the kids to the comfort of their bedrooms giving a fuck about what the youth more usually give a fuck about . A couple of political commentators I read picked up in this , however labour do not seem to realise the potential of this huge block of votes . Scotland has gone for labour , the mythical red wall ( which I believe does not really exist ) have no love for Starmer so far , and why should they ? That Sir in front of his name paints him as one of them not one of us types .and the kids he is as attractive as Tea with no sugar .. I think what most people have said in this thread is correct , he needs to come with something . The strength of a country lays in its youth , and at the moment our youth is very disenfranchised.. It’s a foolish opposition leader who disregards that , especially when the rest of the country can take you or leave you cause you don’t seem so special after all I read somewhere that if something like 20,000 votes in key constituencies had gone the other way,labour would have won that election. That's how close it was. Agree about the youth vote ,I think brexit and the last election has disenfranchised huge numbers of them. And Covid .. I read and hear it all the time .. They want there life back , they want their party’s back , There universities back . They don’t see it as their problem ( rightly or wrongly that’s another discussion) .. If the government gets this wrong and an unthinkable further lockdown occurs someone has to pick up that angry youth vote
The focus groups seem to be telling him to concentrate on the middle England demographic.
Blair saw the power of the youth vote when he did all that “ Cool Britannia “ and courted all the bands like Oasis and had them round number 10 . And he got away with it cause he didn’t go that nuts when his boy got d*unk and fell in the fountain at trafalgar . He came across as a bit of a ok Dad ..
If I was a focus group leader for Starmer I would be telling him to promise all 18 to 25 year olds free ice cream till there 65 and to proclaim Happy hour would be every hour on the hour forever .. A bit tongue in cheek that bit , but you get what I mean . Mind you Starmer on stage at Glastonbury might be a bit painful to watch
Corbyn seemed to attract that support without even trying.
Maybe young people are just sick of that middle class suit and tie,estate agent chic so beloved of modern politicians.
He was the exact opposite of that, and that's why he was so popular with that group.
That is a huge demographic aswell which is just being ignored.
Corbyn didn't try??
How about the scrapping of uni fees? The single biggest reason that demographic would've cared about. "What I meant was he didnt do that cringey down with the kids thing. Scrapping tuition fees was never particularly popular with the left of the party,so I'm not sure he deliberately went out of his way to attract that younger vote. But if he did its certainly not a tack that starmer is copying. | |||
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