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"Attempt 2 from the Times As flights of political fancy go, Boris Johnson’s desire to build a tunnel between Great Britain and Northern Ireland might seem to be one of the most audacious. However, Whitehall officials have revealed that one version of the plan worked up in Downing Street went even further, envisaging not one but three tunnels under the Irish Sea connecting in an “underground roundabout” beneath the Isle of Man." A link between the UK and Ireland was proposed long before boris became pm | |||
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"I wonder how much taxpayers money was wasted on the seed money for this crap? " Is the euro tunnel crap? | |||
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"I wonder how much taxpayers money was wasted on the seed money for this crap? Is the euro tunnel crap?" It will be if the french dont bail out their railway.  | |||
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"Attempt 2 from the Times As flights of political fancy go, Boris Johnson’s desire to build a tunnel between Great Britain and Northern Ireland might seem to be one of the most audacious. However, Whitehall officials have revealed that one version of the plan worked up in Downing Street went even further, envisaging not one but three tunnels under the Irish Sea connecting in an “underground roundabout” beneath the Isle of Man. A link between the UK and Ireland was proposed long before boris became pm" And as soon as an engineer looked at it,it was basically laughed at. If you want an idea why, Google Beauforts Dyke.  | |||
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"I wonder how much taxpayers money was wasted on the seed money for this crap? Is the euro tunnel crap?" Connecting 70million people with 300million is a little different in scale. Be interested on the financial benefits. | |||
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"I wonder how much taxpayers money was wasted on the seed money for this crap? Is the euro tunnel crap?"  | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? "That looks pretty cool. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did?
That looks pretty cool. "And a major tourist attraction too. | |||
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"Attempt 2 from the Times As flights of political fancy go, Boris Johnson’s desire to build a tunnel between Great Britain and Northern Ireland might seem to be one of the most audacious. However, Whitehall officials have revealed that one version of the plan worked up in Downing Street went even further, envisaging not one but three tunnels under the Irish Sea connecting in an “underground roundabout” beneath the Isle of Man. A link between the UK and Ireland was proposed long before boris became pm And as soon as an engineer looked at it,it was basically laughed at. If you want an idea why, Google Beauforts Dyke. "Why post the thread asking about it if you already know the answer? (Although if you really knew, you’d know Beaufort’s Dyke was nothing to do with any proposal) | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure. "It will never get built, | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built, "Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind. 11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all. | |||
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"Shame we can’t apply for an EU Grant to build it. "lmfao.  | |||
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"I'm no expert but isnt there a slight difference between connecting the uk to mainland europe and with northern ireland.?" Yup - it's called 87 miles. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
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"Distance wise it’s very doable considering modern engineering feats. I was once looking at the feasibility of connecting Morocco to Spain and also Saudi to Egypt. It’s completely the wrong time to do such a project politically. " But maybe as a job creation and infrastructure project? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
It will never get built "Okay. | |||
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"Attempt 2 from the Times As flights of political fancy go, Boris Johnson’s desire to build a tunnel between Great Britain and Northern Ireland might seem to be one of the most audacious. However, Whitehall officials have revealed that one version of the plan worked up in Downing Street went even further, envisaging not one but three tunnels under the Irish Sea connecting in an “underground roundabout” beneath the Isle of Man. A link between the UK and Ireland was proposed long before boris became pm And as soon as an engineer looked at it,it was basically laughed at. If you want an idea why, Google Beauforts Dyke.
Why post the thread asking about it if you already know the answer?
(Although if you really knew, you’d know Beaufort’s Dyke was nothing to do with any proposal) "Wrong. The large amount of explosives dumped in the Beaufort Duke have a significant significant impact on the choice of location | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
It will never get built
Okay. "I am glad you finally agree | |||
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"Distance wise it’s very doable considering modern engineering feats. I was once looking at the feasibility of connecting Morocco to Spain and also Saudi to Egypt. It’s completely the wrong time to do such a project politically. But maybe as a job creation and infrastructure project?" I don’t disagree. I can see the benefits. But it’s the wrong time. For me it would be a boom time project. We could always ask the Chinese for the cash though. They have deep pockets and a love of Uk property. | |||
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"Distance wise it’s very doable considering modern engineering feats. I was once looking at the feasibility of connecting Morocco to Spain and also Saudi to Egypt. It’s completely the wrong time to do such a project politically. But maybe as a job creation and infrastructure project? I don’t disagree. I can see the benefits. But it’s the wrong time. For me it would be a boom time project. We could always ask the Chinese for the cash though. They have deep pockets and a love of Uk property. " And the Saudis always love a BIG challenge as they move away from Oil. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
It will never get built
Okay.
I am glad you finally agree "not even on the same page. | |||
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"Distance wise it’s very doable considering modern engineering feats. I was once looking at the feasibility of connecting Morocco to Spain and also Saudi to Egypt. It’s completely the wrong time to do such a project politically. But maybe as a job creation and infrastructure project? I don’t disagree. I can see the benefits. But it’s the wrong time. For me it would be a boom time project. We could always ask the Chinese for the cash though. They have deep pockets and a love of Uk property. And the Saudis always love a BIG challenge as they move away from Oil. " Potentially. Isn’t it nice to have polite discourse. Rather than muh.... Boris baaad  | |||
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"Distance wise it’s very doable considering modern engineering feats. I was once looking at the feasibility of connecting Morocco to Spain and also Saudi to Egypt. It’s completely the wrong time to do such a project politically. But maybe as a job creation and infrastructure project? I don’t disagree. I can see the benefits. But it’s the wrong time. For me it would be a boom time project. We could always ask the Chinese for the cash though. They have deep pockets and a love of Uk property. And the Saudis always love a BIG challenge as they move away from Oil. Potentially. Isn’t it nice to have polite discourse. Rather than muh.... Boris baaad "And to think of the possibilities that we are all capable of. Jobs for you, jobs for me, think big dream long, achieve much. | |||
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"Attempt 2 from the Times As flights of political fancy go, Boris Johnson’s desire to build a tunnel between Great Britain and Northern Ireland might seem to be one of the most audacious. However, Whitehall officials have revealed that one version of the plan worked up in Downing Street went even further, envisaging not one but three tunnels under the Irish Sea connecting in an “underground roundabout” beneath the Isle of Man. A link between the UK and Ireland was proposed long before boris became pm And as soon as an engineer looked at it,it was basically laughed at. If you want an idea why, Google Beauforts Dyke.
Why post the thread asking about it if you already know the answer?
(Although if you really knew, you’d know Beaufort’s Dyke was nothing to do with any proposal)
Wrong. The large amount of explosives dumped in the Beaufort Duke have a significant significant impact on the choice of location"Which was first mentioned in the 1954 proposal and studied in depth in an academic research paper in 2010, where the lack of soft chalk on that route was more significant. Beaufort’s dyke is not news. | |||
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"https://www.businessforscotland.com/doctor-doolittle-on-drugs-all-you-need-to-know-about-boris-johnsons-mad-tunnel-idea/ Unicorns again "Surely that's not a pro-indy website trying to rubbish westminster? Isn't that the exact claim you lay at The Mail and Express re. EU? | |||
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"https://www.businessforscotland.com/doctor-doolittle-on-drugs-all-you-need-to-know-about-boris-johnsons-mad-tunnel-idea/ Unicorns again
Surely that's not a pro-indy website trying to rubbish westminster?
Isn't that the exact claim you lay at The Mail and Express re. EU?"Dunno..they quote a Tory on there aswell like. | |||
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"https://www.businessforscotland.com/doctor-doolittle-on-drugs-all-you-need-to-know-about-boris-johnsons-mad-tunnel-idea/ Unicorns again
Surely that's not a pro-indy website trying to rubbish westminster?
Isn't that the exact claim you lay at The Mail and Express re. EU?
Dunno..they quote a Tory on there aswell like.
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"Attempt 2 from the Times As flights of political fancy go, Boris Johnson’s desire to build a tunnel between Great Britain and Northern Ireland might seem to be one of the most audacious. However, Whitehall officials have revealed that one version of the plan worked up in Downing Street went even further, envisaging not one but three tunnels under the Irish Sea connecting in an “underground roundabout” beneath the Isle of Man. A link between the UK and Ireland was proposed long before boris became pm And as soon as an engineer looked at it,it was basically laughed at. If you want an idea why, Google Beauforts Dyke. "Why between Scotland & N Ireland, I’ve said this before on another thread you can build from England to N Ireland, it may cost more but it would be easier x | |||
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"https://www.businessforscotland.com/doctor-doolittle-on-drugs-all-you-need-to-know-about-boris-johnsons-mad-tunnel-idea/ Unicorns again
Surely that's not a pro-indy website trying to rubbish westminster?
Isn't that the exact claim you lay at The Mail and Express re. EU?
Dunno..they quote a Tory on there aswell like.
"Simon Hoare? Never heard of him to be honest. Anyway it’s not the critic who counts. It’s the person in the arena. | |||
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"Attempt 2 from the Times As flights of political fancy go, Boris Johnson’s desire to build a tunnel between Great Britain and Northern Ireland might seem to be one of the most audacious. However, Whitehall officials have revealed that one version of the plan worked up in Downing Street went even further, envisaging not one but three tunnels under the Irish Sea connecting in an “underground roundabout” beneath the Isle of Man. A link between the UK and Ireland was proposed long before boris became pm And as soon as an engineer looked at it,it was basically laughed at. If you want an idea why, Google Beauforts Dyke. Why between Scotland & N Ireland, I’ve said this before on another thread you can build from England to N Ireland, it may cost more but it would be easier x"I'd imagine because it's a much shorter crossing | |||
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"https://www.businessforscotland.com/doctor-doolittle-on-drugs-all-you-need-to-know-about-boris-johnsons-mad-tunnel-idea/ Unicorns again
Surely that's not a pro-indy website trying to rubbish westminster?
Isn't that the exact claim you lay at The Mail and Express re. EU?
Dunno..they quote a Tory on there aswell like.
And? Does that mean the publication is a reliable source of news?"So you would say the entire article is completely false? | |||
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"https://www.businessforscotland.com/doctor-doolittle-on-drugs-all-you-need-to-know-about-boris-johnsons-mad-tunnel-idea/ Unicorns again
Surely that's not a pro-indy website trying to rubbish westminster?
Isn't that the exact claim you lay at The Mail and Express re. EU?
Dunno..they quote a Tory on there aswell like.
Simon Hoare? Never heard of him to be honest.
Anyway it’s not the critic who counts. It’s the person in the arena."Yep mr botis Johnson The man with a plan https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-london-46258584  | |||
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"https://www.businessforscotland.com/doctor-doolittle-on-drugs-all-you-need-to-know-about-boris-johnsons-mad-tunnel-idea/ Unicorns again
Surely that's not a pro-indy website trying to rubbish westminster?
Isn't that the exact claim you lay at The Mail and Express re. EU?
Dunno..they quote a Tory on there aswell like.
And? Does that mean the publication is a reliable source of news?
So you would say the entire article is completely false?"I would say that it's an indy publication so it doesn't surprise me that they try to ridicule westminster. As I stated earlier, it's the exact thing you use against the mail and express | |||
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"https://www.businessforscotland.com/doctor-doolittle-on-drugs-all-you-need-to-know-about-boris-johnsons-mad-tunnel-idea/ Unicorns again
Surely that's not a pro-indy website trying to rubbish westminster?
Isn't that the exact claim you lay at The Mail and Express re. EU?
Dunno..they quote a Tory on there aswell like.
And? Does that mean the publication is a reliable source of news?
So you would say the entire article is completely false?
I would say that it's an indy publication so it doesn't surprise me that they try to ridicule westminster.
As I stated earlier, it's the exact thing you use against the mail and express"Hmmm Did you answer my question there? I'll try again Would you say the article Is completely false? | |||
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"https://www.businessforscotland.com/doctor-doolittle-on-drugs-all-you-need-to-know-about-boris-johnsons-mad-tunnel-idea/ Unicorns again
Surely that's not a pro-indy website trying to rubbish westminster?
Isn't that the exact claim you lay at The Mail and Express re. EU?
Dunno..they quote a Tory on there aswell like.
And? Does that mean the publication is a reliable source of news?
So you would say the entire article is completely false?
I would say that it's an indy publication so it doesn't surprise me that they try to ridicule westminster.
As I stated earlier, it's the exact thing you use against the mail and express
Hmmm
Did you answer my question there?
I'll try again
Would you say the article Is completely false?"I haven't read it. The article doesn't interest me | |||
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"Attempt 2 from the Times As flights of political fancy go, Boris Johnson’s desire to build a tunnel between Great Britain and Northern Ireland might seem to be one of the most audacious. However, Whitehall officials have revealed that one version of the plan worked up in Downing Street went even further, envisaging not one but three tunnels under the Irish Sea connecting in an “underground roundabout” beneath the Isle of Man. A link between the UK and Ireland was proposed long before boris became pm And as soon as an engineer looked at it,it was basically laughed at. If you want an idea why, Google Beauforts Dyke. Why between Scotland & N Ireland, I’ve said this before on another thread you can build from England to N Ireland, it may cost more but it would be easier x"Also if constructed from say Heysham to N Ireland it could still have an Isle of Man terminal no need for a round about x | |||
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"https://www.businessforscotland.com/doctor-doolittle-on-drugs-all-you-need-to-know-about-boris-johnsons-mad-tunnel-idea/ Unicorns again
Surely that's not a pro-indy website trying to rubbish westminster?
Isn't that the exact claim you lay at The Mail and Express re. EU?
Dunno..they quote a Tory on there aswell like.
And? Does that mean the publication is a reliable source of news?
So you would say the entire article is completely false?
I would say that it's an indy publication so it doesn't surprise me that they try to ridicule westminster.
As I stated earlier, it's the exact thing you use against the mail and express
Hmmm
Did you answer my question there?
I'll try again
Would you say the article Is completely false?
I haven't read it. The article doesn't interest me" sound
So you dont read it but disregard it as rubbish
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"Attempt 2 from the Times As flights of political fancy go, Boris Johnson’s desire to build a tunnel between Great Britain and Northern Ireland might seem to be one of the most audacious. However, Whitehall officials have revealed that one version of the plan worked up in Downing Street went even further, envisaging not one but three tunnels under the Irish Sea connecting in an “underground roundabout” beneath the Isle of Man. A link between the UK and Ireland was proposed long before boris became pm And as soon as an engineer looked at it,it was basically laughed at. If you want an idea why, Google Beauforts Dyke. Why between Scotland & N Ireland, I’ve said this before on another thread you can build from England to N Ireland, it may cost more but it would be easier x Also if constructed from say Heysham to N Ireland it could still have an Isle of Man terminal no need for a round about x"Very handy for the TT (trying to book ferries in late May early June is a bloody nightmare ) | |||
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"Attempt 2 from the Times As flights of political fancy go, Boris Johnson’s desire to build a tunnel between Great Britain and Northern Ireland might seem to be one of the most audacious. However, Whitehall officials have revealed that one version of the plan worked up in Downing Street went even further, envisaging not one but three tunnels under the Irish Sea connecting in an “underground roundabout” beneath the Isle of Man. A link between the UK and Ireland was proposed long before boris became pm And as soon as an engineer looked at it,it was basically laughed at. If you want an idea why, Google Beauforts Dyke. Why between Scotland & N Ireland, I’ve said this before on another thread you can build from England to N Ireland, it may cost more but it would be easier x Also if constructed from say Heysham to N Ireland it could still have an Isle of Man terminal no need for a round about x"The roundabout is in the palms https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tunnel-vision-now-pm-sets-his-sights-on-a-roundabout-under-the-isle-of-man-cg9523lxp | |||
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"https://www.businessforscotland.com/doctor-doolittle-on-drugs-all-you-need-to-know-about-boris-johnsons-mad-tunnel-idea/ Unicorns again
Surely that's not a pro-indy website trying to rubbish westminster?
Isn't that the exact claim you lay at The Mail and Express re. EU?
Dunno..they quote a Tory on there aswell like.
And? Does that mean the publication is a reliable source of news?
So you would say the entire article is completely false?
I would say that it's an indy publication so it doesn't surprise me that they try to ridicule westminster.
As I stated earlier, it's the exact thing you use against the mail and express
Hmmm
Did you answer my question there?
I'll try again
Would you say the article Is completely false?
I haven't read it. The article doesn't interest me
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So you dont read it but disregard it as rubbish
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
"Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15% Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys. That’s gonna be some toll! | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
"So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man? The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game. The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man?
The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game.
The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism.
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man?
The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game.
The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism.
So this new tunnel will be for cars and trains ? "How is that relevant? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man?
The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game.
The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism.
So this new tunnel will be for cars and trains ?
How is that relevant?"Your comparing it with the Mersey Tunnel | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man?
The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game.
The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism.
So this new tunnel will be for cars and trains ?
How is that relevant?
Your comparing it with the Mersey Tunnel "Nope - I was comparing it to passengers. Each car has at least one passenger. The Faroes Tunnel is cars each with at least one passenger. The Channel Tunnel is cars carried on trains with at least one passenger to each car. The Mersey Tunnels the same. I have not included freight those figures in any of the tunnels. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man?
The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game.
The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism.
So this new tunnel will be for cars and trains ?
How is that relevant?
Your comparing it with the Mersey Tunnel
Nope - I was comparing it to passengers. Each car has at least one passenger. The Faroes Tunnel is cars each with at least one passenger. The Channel Tunnel is cars carried on trains with at least one passenger to each car. The Mersey Tunnels the same.
I have not included freight those figures in any of the tunnels."Is it for cars and trains ? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man?
The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game.
The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism.
So this new tunnel will be for cars and trains ?
How is that relevant?
Your comparing it with the Mersey Tunnel
Nope - I was comparing it to passengers. Each car has at least one passenger. The Faroes Tunnel is cars each with at least one passenger. The Channel Tunnel is cars carried on trains with at least one passenger to each car. The Mersey Tunnels the same.
I have not included freight those figures in any of the tunnels.
Is it for cars and trains ? "I don't know - do you? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man?
The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game.
The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism.
So this new tunnel will be for cars and trains ?
How is that relevant?
Your comparing it with the Mersey Tunnel
Nope - I was comparing it to passengers. Each car has at least one passenger. The Faroes Tunnel is cars each with at least one passenger. The Channel Tunnel is cars carried on trains with at least one passenger to each car. The Mersey Tunnels the same.
I have not included freight those figures in any of the tunnels.
Is it for cars and trains ?
I don't know - do you?"I have no idea, hence why I asked, anyway, it won’t get built | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man?
The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game.
The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism.
So this new tunnel will be for cars and trains ?
How is that relevant?
Your comparing it with the Mersey Tunnel
Nope - I was comparing it to passengers. Each car has at least one passenger. The Faroes Tunnel is cars each with at least one passenger. The Channel Tunnel is cars carried on trains with at least one passenger to each car. The Mersey Tunnels the same.
I have not included freight those figures in any of the tunnels.
Is it for cars and trains ?
I don't know - do you?
I have no idea, hence why I asked, anyway, it won’t get built "That relentlessly positive remoaner spirit on full display again ITT | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man?
The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game.
The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism.
So this new tunnel will be for cars and trains ?
How is that relevant?
Your comparing it with the Mersey Tunnel
Nope - I was comparing it to passengers. Each car has at least one passenger. The Faroes Tunnel is cars each with at least one passenger. The Channel Tunnel is cars carried on trains with at least one passenger to each car. The Mersey Tunnels the same.
I have not included freight those figures in any of the tunnels.
Is it for cars and trains ?
I don't know - do you?
I have no idea, hence why I asked, anyway, it won’t get built
That relentlessly positive remoaner spirit on full display again ITT "It won’t get built Chris because it is a terrible idea . I am sure the money could be better spent elsewhere | |||
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" It won’t get built Chris because it is a terrible idea. I am sure the money could be better spent elsewhere " To a selection of the populace every great infrastructure project has been a terrible idea. I can't recall many at all that have become total white elephants. Often too, great infrastructure projects have been built at times of high social need - and have ended up serving that social need in jobs and taxes - great infrastructure that often still serves those ends today. Have hope faith and vision. Extraordinary times require extraordinary ideas. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man?
The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game.
The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism.
So this new tunnel will be for cars and trains ?
How is that relevant?
Your comparing it with the Mersey Tunnel
Nope - I was comparing it to passengers. Each car has at least one passenger. The Faroes Tunnel is cars each with at least one passenger. The Channel Tunnel is cars carried on trains with at least one passenger to each car. The Mersey Tunnels the same.
I have not included freight those figures in any of the tunnels.
Is it for cars and trains ?
I don't know - do you?
I have no idea, hence why I asked, anyway, it won’t get built
That relentlessly positive remoaner spirit on full display again ITT
It won’t get built Chris because it is a terrible idea . I am sure the money could be better spent elsewhere "Purely your opinion. Meanwhile Sweden, Denmark, Estonia, with similar size populations to Ireland, forge ahead with comparable new links. | |||
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" It won’t get built Chris because it is a terrible idea. I am sure the money could be better spent elsewhere To a selection of the populace every great infrastructure project has been a terrible idea. I can't recall many at all that have become total white elephants. Often too, great infrastructure projects have been built at times of high social need - and have ended up serving that social need in jobs and taxes - great infrastructure that often still serves those ends today. Have hope faith and vision. Extraordinary times require extraordinary ideas. " Couldn't agree more. Let's just rip up the M1 because a few people objected to it sixty years ago. Even HS1 Kent was subject to enormous over the top controversy for years before it was built, ruining the garden of England etc. No one even mentions it now. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man?
The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game.
The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism.
So this new tunnel will be for cars and trains ?
How is that relevant?
Your comparing it with the Mersey Tunnel
Nope - I was comparing it to passengers. Each car has at least one passenger. The Faroes Tunnel is cars each with at least one passenger. The Channel Tunnel is cars carried on trains with at least one passenger to each car. The Mersey Tunnels the same.
I have not included freight those figures in any of the tunnels.
Is it for cars and trains ?
I don't know - do you?
I have no idea, hence why I asked, anyway, it won’t get built
That relentlessly positive remoaner spirit on full display again ITT
It won’t get built Chris because it is a terrible idea . I am sure the money could be better spent elsewhere
Purely your opinion. Meanwhile Sweden, Denmark, Estonia, with similar size populations to Ireland, forge ahead with comparable new links. "They all have 26km underwater tunnels . It won’t get built, | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man?
The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game.
The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism.
So this new tunnel will be for cars and trains ?
How is that relevant?
Your comparing it with the Mersey Tunnel
Nope - I was comparing it to passengers. Each car has at least one passenger. The Faroes Tunnel is cars each with at least one passenger. The Channel Tunnel is cars carried on trains with at least one passenger to each car. The Mersey Tunnels the same.
I have not included freight those figures in any of the tunnels.
Is it for cars and trains ?
I don't know - do you?
I have no idea, hence why I asked, anyway, it won’t get built
That relentlessly positive remoaner spirit on full display again ITT
It won’t get built Chris because it is a terrible idea . I am sure the money could be better spent elsewhere
Purely your opinion. Meanwhile Sweden, Denmark, Estonia, with similar size populations to Ireland, forge ahead with comparable new links.
They all have 26km underwater tunnels . It won’t get built, "If you can build 26km you can build 27km if you can build 27km you can build 28km . . . there is a pattern building here. The 'Naysayer Tunnel' is being talked about while we chat . . . | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55216715 Round-abouts-under-the-sea!!! Who knew? Maybe Boris did? So, the Eysturoy Tunnel (with ROUND-A-BOUT) in the Faroe Islands is already built and is 11km long and the closest distance of the UK mainland to the IOM is 26 km. After all the longest undersea tunnel so far is 23.3km. I think Builder Boris and the Builder Boffins are onto something. Lots of Jobs and infrastructure.
It will never get built,
Yea that happened with the Channel Tunnel too. Flying in the wind.
11 million passengers a year. Yup can't see that happening at all.
Taking your logic and the population of the U.K. alongside the EU the ratio is 15%
Northern Ireland population is 1.8m so assuming similar levels/ratio of travel that’s 270k journeys.
That’s gonna be some toll!
So why wouldn't you think that many of those tourists from Europe wouldn't use the 'Naysayer' tunnel? Just to do a spin around the Boris round-about under the Legs of Man?
The other tunnel has already proved a big tourist hit. Besides it just doesn't open for a year and then close. Tolls are a long game.
The Mersey tunnels were supposed to stop their tolls once the tolls finished paying for the build - they never did stop charging them though, and people never stopped using them and not just for work and commute. A great deal of traffic goes both ways for tourism.
So this new tunnel will be for cars and trains ?
How is that relevant?
Your comparing it with the Mersey Tunnel
Nope - I was comparing it to passengers. Each car has at least one passenger. The Faroes Tunnel is cars each with at least one passenger. The Channel Tunnel is cars carried on trains with at least one passenger to each car. The Mersey Tunnels the same.
I have not included freight those figures in any of the tunnels.
Is it for cars and trains ?
I don't know - do you?
I have no idea, hence why I asked, anyway, it won’t get built
That relentlessly positive remoaner spirit on full display again ITT
It won’t get built Chris because it is a terrible idea . I am sure the money could be better spent elsewhere
Purely your opinion. Meanwhile Sweden, Denmark, Estonia, with similar size populations to Ireland, forge ahead with comparable new links.
They all have 26km underwater tunnels . It won’t get built,
If you can build 26km you can build 27km if you can build 27km you can build 28km . . . there is a pattern building here.
The 'Naysayer Tunnel' is being talked about while we chat . . . "It won’t get built, I think the plans will be renamed the ‘neverhappen tunnel’ , | |||
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"Yet you don't say why - just 'it won't get built' So. Why won't it get built and I don't think because it's a terrible idea is the answer - do you know something about the ability/non ability of it technically that it couldn't be built? Or? Just your opinion?" A source told The Times: “Everyone knows Boris wants to do this so people were asked to look at how.” Several senior aides are reportedly against the idea branding it “bats**t” and something akin to a “Fuhrer bunker project”. A source told the newspaper: “Just as Hitler moved around imaginary armies in the dying days of the Third Reich, so the No 10 policy unit is condemned to keep looking at this idea, which exists primarily in the mind of the PM.” | |||
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"Yet you don't say why - just 'it won't get built' So. Why won't it get built and I don't think because it's a terrible idea is the answer - do you know something about the ability/non ability of it technically that it couldn't be built? Or? Just your opinion? A source told The Times: “Everyone knows Boris wants to do this so people were asked to look at how.” Several senior aides are reportedly against the idea branding it “bats**t” and something akin to a “Fuhrer bunker project”. A source told the newspaper: “Just as Hitler moved around imaginary armies in the dying days of the Third Reich, so the No 10 policy unit is condemned to keep looking at this idea, which exists primarily in the mind of the PM.” " Senior aids are 'reported to' but non of those aids identified. So just an opinion piece - like yours - of the project then. K - with you now. TY. | |||
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"Yet you don't say why - just 'it won't get built' So. Why won't it get built and I don't think because it's a terrible idea is the answer - do you know something about the ability/non ability of it technically that it couldn't be built? Or? Just your opinion? A source told The Times: “Everyone knows Boris wants to do this so people were asked to look at how.” Several senior aides are reportedly against the idea branding it “bats**t” and something akin to a “Fuhrer bunker project”. A source told the newspaper: “Just as Hitler moved around imaginary armies in the dying days of the Third Reich, so the No 10 policy unit is condemned to keep looking at this idea, which exists primarily in the mind of the PM.” Senior aids are 'reported to' but non of those aids identified. So just an opinion piece - like yours - of the project then. K - with you now. TY." Yes, just an opinion. Btw, why do you think it will and should be built ? | |||
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"Yet you don't say why - just 'it won't get built' So. Why won't it get built and I don't think because it's a terrible idea is the answer - do you know something about the ability/non ability of it technically that it couldn't be built? Or? Just your opinion? A source told The Times: “Everyone knows Boris wants to do this so people were asked to look at how.” Several senior aides are reportedly against the idea branding it “bats**t” and something akin to a “Fuhrer bunker project”. A source told the newspaper: “Just as Hitler moved around imaginary armies in the dying days of the Third Reich, so the No 10 policy unit is condemned to keep looking at this idea, which exists primarily in the mind of the PM.” Senior aids are 'reported to' but non of those aids identified. So just an opinion piece - like yours - of the project then. K - with you now. TY. Yes, just an opinion. Btw, why do you think it will and should be built ? " I actually didn't say once that it should or could be built I have simply argued that if it was going to be, then evidence from around the world proves that it could be built. I am in sympathy however with the fact that great infrastructure projects bring a lot of benefits to current social need - like jobs and taxes etc. And they do so long into the future. Every great project has had its mass of opposition - but I will bet that 95% of the people who opposed an airport, a tunnel or a rail link or a major road project have at sometimes, or very often, in their lives used it and continue to do so. | |||
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"Yet you don't say why - just 'it won't get built' So. Why won't it get built and I don't think because it's a terrible idea is the answer - do you know something about the ability/non ability of it technically that it couldn't be built? Or? Just your opinion? A source told The Times: “Everyone knows Boris wants to do this so people were asked to look at how.” Several senior aides are reportedly against the idea branding it “bats**t” and something akin to a “Fuhrer bunker project”. A source told the newspaper: “Just as Hitler moved around imaginary armies in the dying days of the Third Reich, so the No 10 policy unit is condemned to keep looking at this idea, which exists primarily in the mind of the PM.” Senior aids are 'reported to' but non of those aids identified. So just an opinion piece - like yours - of the project then. K - with you now. TY. Yes, just an opinion. Btw, why do you think it will and should be built ? I actually didn't say once that it should or could be built I have simply argued that if it was going to be, then evidence from around the world proves that it could be built. I am in sympathy however with the fact that great infrastructure projects bring a lot of benefits to current social need - like jobs and taxes etc. And they do so long into the future. Every great project has had its mass of opposition - but I will bet that 95% of the people who opposed an airport, a tunnel or a rail link or a major road project have at sometimes, or very often, in their lives used it and continue to do so. " Just because something can be built doesn’t mean it should be built. I have yet to hear a valid and cost effective reason why we need to build the tunnel | |||
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" Just because something can be built doesn’t mean it should be built. I have yet to hear a valid and cost effective reason why we need to build the tunnel " Said it about three times now - Big infrastructure is very often undertaken at times of greatest social need because it adds jobs and taxes. Vanity and Real life benefit often go hand in hand. | |||
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" Just because something can be built doesn’t mean it should be built. I have yet to hear a valid and cost effective reason why we need to build the tunnel Said it about three times now - Big infrastructure is very often undertaken at times of greatest social need because it adds jobs and taxes. Vanity and Real life benefit often go hand in hand." No point in building something for the sake of it, build new Hospitals, schools, housing, leisure facilities etc etc , not some random tunnel | |||
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" Just because something can be built doesn’t mean it should be built. I have yet to hear a valid and cost effective reason why we need to build the tunnel Said it about three times now - Big infrastructure is very often undertaken at times of greatest social need because it adds jobs and taxes. Vanity and Real life benefit often go hand in hand. No point in building something for the sake of it, build new Hospitals, schools, housing, leisure facilities etc etc , not some random tunnel " lol - Said it about four times now - Big infrastructure is very often undertaken at times of greatest social need because it adds jobs and taxes. | |||
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" Just because something can be built doesn’t mean it should be built. I have yet to hear a valid and cost effective reason why we need to build the tunnel Said it about three times now - Big infrastructure is very often undertaken at times of greatest social need because it adds jobs and taxes. Vanity and Real life benefit often go hand in hand. No point in building something for the sake of it, build new Hospitals, schools, housing, leisure facilities etc etc , not some random tunnel lol - Said it about four times now - Big infrastructure is very often undertaken at times of greatest social need because it adds jobs and taxes." And is paid for by taxes and high interest loans , the money can be spent on other more important infrastructure projects | |||
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" Just because something can be built doesn’t mean it should be built. I have yet to hear a valid and cost effective reason why we need to build the tunnel Said it about three times now - Big infrastructure is very often undertaken at times of greatest social need because it adds jobs and taxes. Vanity and Real life benefit often go hand in hand. No point in building something for the sake of it, build new Hospitals, schools, housing, leisure facilities etc etc , not some random tunnel lol - Said it about four times now - Big infrastructure is very often undertaken at times of greatest social need because it adds jobs and taxes. And is paid for by taxes and high interest loans , the money can be spent on other more important infrastructure projects " Actually most large infrastructure is tendered out for the builder/s to pay where there is opportunity to reap rewards following the build - as in tolls forever more etc. | |||
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" Just because something can be built doesn’t mean it should be built. I have yet to hear a valid and cost effective reason why we need to build the tunnel Said it about three times now - Big infrastructure is very often undertaken at times of greatest social need because it adds jobs and taxes. Vanity and Real life benefit often go hand in hand. No point in building something for the sake of it, build new Hospitals, schools, housing, leisure facilities etc etc , not some random tunnel lol - Said it about four times now - Big infrastructure is very often undertaken at times of greatest social need because it adds jobs and taxes. And is paid for by taxes and high interest loans , the money can be spent on other more important infrastructure projects Actually most large infrastructure is tendered out for the builder/s to pay where there is opportunity to reap rewards following the build - as in tolls forever more etc." Let me know when Boris gets this external investment | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 22/02/21 13:04:59] Why did the UK government sell their 40 % stake in the channel tunnel? " To raise money, at a time when the Channel Tunnel was losing money. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 22/02/21 13:04:59] Why did the UK government sell their 40 % stake in the channel tunnel? To raise money, at a time when the Channel Tunnel was losing money. " Seems like a bloody good call right now . | |||
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"There has been a ferry service between Ireland and Wales for years. And one from Birkenhead to Belfast. " Oops, I missed the operative word ‘free’ from theferry service. New Ferries could be built in the UK, travel would be free & borderless ( ). It could be up and running tomorrow and would be about £100bn cheaper. Why even consider a bridge or a tunnel? | |||
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"There has been a ferry service between Ireland and Wales for years. And one from Birkenhead to Belfast. Oops, I missed the operative word ‘free’ from theferry service. New Ferries could be built in the UK, travel would be free & borderless ( ). It could be up and running tomorrow and would be about £100bn cheaper. Why even consider a bridge or a tunnel?"Who is gonna pay for this 'free' ferry? | |||
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"There has been a ferry service between Ireland and Wales for years. And one from Birkenhead to Belfast. Oops, I missed the operative word ‘free’ from theferry service. New Ferries could be built in the UK, travel would be free & borderless ( ). It could be up and running tomorrow and would be about £100bn cheaper. Why even consider a bridge or a tunnel?
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"There has been a ferry service between Ireland and Wales for years. And one from Birkenhead to Belfast. Oops, I missed the operative word ‘free’ from theferry service. New Ferries could be built in the UK, travel would be free & borderless ( ). It could be up and running tomorrow and would be about £100bn cheaper. Why even consider a bridge or a tunnel?
Who is gonna pay for this 'free' ferry?
Is my question too. "Ok fair question. But if we can’t find £250m ayear to pay for ferries then who is going to pay for the £100bn tunnel project? | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly "Close but no cigar. Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles. Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles. | |||
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"There has been a ferry service between Ireland and Wales for years. And one from Birkenhead to Belfast. Oops, I missed the operative word ‘free’ from theferry service. New Ferries could be built in the UK, travel would be free & borderless ( ). It could be up and running tomorrow and would be about £100bn cheaper. Why even consider a bridge or a tunnel?
Who is gonna pay for this 'free' ferry?
Is my question too.
Ok fair question. But if we can’t find £250m ayear to pay for ferries then who is going to pay for the £100bn tunnel project? "Of course, the running costs of the tunnel will be more than the running costs of the tunnel as well...  | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 22/02/21 13:04:59] Why did the UK government sell their 40 % stake in the channel tunnel? To raise money, at a time when the Channel Tunnel was losing money. " Maybe tunnels are not such a great investment? | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles. "That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then. | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then. "The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’ | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 22/02/21 13:04:59] Why did the UK government sell their 40 % stake in the channel tunnel? To raise money, at a time when the Channel Tunnel was losing money. Maybe tunnels are not such a great investment? " The Mersey tunnels took in £42,866,000 in the year 2018 - just before they put a price rise in. | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then.
The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’ "Oh where did you find that? Getlink took in €1.085 billion 2019. That's a total disaster! Wow! | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then.
The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’
Oh where did you find that?
Getlink took in €1.085 billion 2019. That's a total disaster! Wow!
"What were there profits? Did you know the channel tunnel cost 80% more than expected | |||
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"There has been a ferry service between Ireland and Wales for years. And one from Birkenhead to Belfast. Oops, I missed the operative word ‘free’ from theferry service. New Ferries could be built in the UK, travel would be free & borderless ( ). It could be up and running tomorrow and would be about £100bn cheaper. Why even consider a bridge or a tunnel?
Who is gonna pay for this 'free' ferry?
Is my question too.
Ok fair question. But if we can’t find £250m ayear to pay for ferries then who is going to pay for the £100bn tunnel project? "It's not about the investment. It would be paid for by tolls. Granted it would take a long time to pay back. But it wouldn't be a free service, at least I would hope not | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then.
The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’
Oh where did you find that?
Getlink took in €1.085 billion 2019. That's a total disaster! Wow!
What were there profits? Did you know the channel tunnel cost 80% more than expected "€159 million 2019. Final cost has nothing to do with the long game of recovery and ''foreve' profit. | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then.
The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’
Oh where did you find that?
Getlink took in €1.085 billion 2019. That's a total disaster! Wow!
What were there profits? Did you know the channel tunnel cost 80% more than expected
€159 million 2019.
Final cost has nothing to do with the long game of recovery and ''foreve' profit.
"Decent profit, I bet the UK government feel stupid for selling their stake nor | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then.
The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’
Oh where did you find that?
Getlink took in €1.085 billion 2019. That's a total disaster! Wow!
What were there profits? Did you know the channel tunnel cost 80% more than expected
€159 million 2019.
Final cost has nothing to do with the long game of recovery and ''foreve' profit.
Decent profit, I bet the UK government feel stupid for selling their stake nor "Now | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then.
The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’
Oh where did you find that?
Getlink took in €1.085 billion 2019. That's a total disaster! Wow!
What were there profits? Did you know the channel tunnel cost 80% more than expected
€159 million 2019.
Final cost has nothing to do with the long game of recovery and ''foreve' profit.
Decent profit, I bet the UK government feel stupid for selling their stake nor
Now "It helped in it's recovery however. | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then.
The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’
Oh where did you find that?
Getlink took in €1.085 billion 2019. That's a total disaster! Wow!
What were there profits? Did you know the channel tunnel cost 80% more than expected
€159 million 2019.
Final cost has nothing to do with the long game of recovery and ''foreve' profit.
Decent profit, I bet the UK government feel stupid for selling their stake nor
Now
It helped in it's recovery however."If you look at the yearly figures and the amount invested the channel tunnel has been a financial disaster | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then.
The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’
Oh where did you find that?
Getlink took in €1.085 billion 2019. That's a total disaster! Wow!
What were there profits? Did you know the channel tunnel cost 80% more than expected
€159 million 2019.
Final cost has nothing to do with the long game of recovery and ''foreve' profit.
Decent profit, I bet the UK government feel stupid for selling their stake nor
Now
It helped in it's recovery however.
If you look at the yearly figures and the amount invested the channel tunnel has been a financial disaster "If it's in profit now - then clearly it hasn't. | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then.
The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’
Oh where did you find that?
Getlink took in €1.085 billion 2019. That's a total disaster! Wow!
What were there profits? Did you know the channel tunnel cost 80% more than expected
€159 million 2019.
Final cost has nothing to do with the long game of recovery and ''foreve' profit.
Decent profit, I bet the UK government feel stupid for selling their stake nor
Now
It helped in it's recovery however.
If you look at the yearly figures and the amount invested the channel tunnel has been a financial disaster
If it's in profit now - then clearly it hasn't."It was taken over 20 years to make an average of 2% profit on a £10 billion investment? Very poor | |||
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"Also our stake was forecast to sell for £300m and were actually sold for £757.1m" A 40% stake in a tunnel that cost £10billion is only worth £750 million? | |||
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"Also our stake was forecast to sell for £300m and were actually sold for £757.1m A 40% stake in a tunnel that cost £10billion is only worth £750 million? " Actually it cost more like £16 billion in today’s money | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then.
The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’
Oh where did you find that?
Getlink took in €1.085 billion 2019. That's a total disaster! Wow!
What were there profits? Did you know the channel tunnel cost 80% more than expected
€159 million 2019.
Final cost has nothing to do with the long game of recovery and ''foreve' profit.
Decent profit, I bet the UK government feel stupid for selling their stake nor
Now
It helped in it's recovery however.
If you look at the yearly figures and the amount invested the channel tunnel has been a financial disaster
If it's in profit now - then clearly it hasn't.
It was taken over 20 years to make an average of 2% profit on a £10 billion investment? Very poor "Say it again - big infrastructure is a long game. | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then.
The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’
Oh where did you find that?
Getlink took in €1.085 billion 2019. That's a total disaster! Wow!
What were there profits? Did you know the channel tunnel cost 80% more than expected
€159 million 2019.
Final cost has nothing to do with the long game of recovery and ''foreve' profit.
Decent profit, I bet the UK government feel stupid for selling their stake nor
Now
It helped in it's recovery however.
If you look at the yearly figures and the amount invested the channel tunnel has been a financial disaster
If it's in profit now - then clearly it hasn't.
It was taken over 20 years to make an average of 2% profit on a £10 billion investment? Very poor
Say it again - big infrastructure is a long game. "It’s a stupid ‘game ‘ 40% of £16 billion now valued at £750 million , | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then.
The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’
Oh where did you find that?
Getlink took in €1.085 billion 2019. That's a total disaster! Wow!
What were there profits? Did you know the channel tunnel cost 80% more than expected
€159 million 2019.
Final cost has nothing to do with the long game of recovery and ''foreve' profit.
Decent profit, I bet the UK government feel stupid for selling their stake nor "It was for short term gain, whereas a longer term stategy may have been preferable. | |||
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"So, lets say this is technically feasible, only takes 15 years to get built amd only costs £100bn to build - obvs it would then carry a 3% per annum interest cost and probably another 2% Operating cost. So over 25 years the Tunnel would cost Build £100bn and 10 years at 2% of £100bn for Op Costs and 3% of the average debt over 25 years, lets say average is £90bn - interest at 3% on £90bn for 25 years is: Capital Repayment £100bn Interest Costs £67.5bn Op Costs £20bn Profit ? (Lets say, breakeven) Overall costs over 25 years £187.5bn Best info on passenger numbers from Ireland based on Channel Tunnel numbers is 15% of population - lets say both NI & Eire, so 7m x 15% = 1.05m people per year, so 10.5m journeys over 10 years. Guess what you wouldhave to charge each passenger to breakeven? £10, £100, £1,000? Well it is £187.5bn/10.5m = £17,857. Do you think people would even make one journey at this kind of cost? " That's a decent breakdown but you're forgetting people going the other way. You also forget return costs. | |||
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"BTW - the total length of the Channel Tunnel is 57.795 km. We use it at least 4 times a year. Though not this last year sadly
Close but no cigar.
Tunnel portal to tunnel portal is 50.45km, or 31.5 miles.
Length actally under the seabed is 37.9km, or 23.5 miles.
That surface 7km is going to mean it's just an impossible feat then.
The channel tunnel is a financial disaster, are you convinced that investors will be interested in the ‘neverhappen tunnel’
Oh where did you find that?
Getlink took in €1.085 billion 2019. That's a total disaster! Wow!
What were there profits? Did you know the channel tunnel cost 80% more than expected
€159 million 2019.
Final cost has nothing to do with the long game of recovery and ''foreve' profit.
Decent profit, I bet the UK government feel stupid for selling their stake nor
It was for short term gain, whereas a longer term stategy may have been preferable. "Tbh, I was being sarcastic | |||
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"So, lets say this is technically feasible, only takes 15 years to get built amd only costs £100bn to build - obvs it would then carry a 3% per annum interest cost and probably another 2% Operating cost. So over 25 years the Tunnel would cost Build £100bn and 10 years at 2% of £100bn for Op Costs and 3% of the average debt over 25 years, lets say average is £90bn - interest at 3% on £90bn for 25 years is: Capital Repayment £100bn Interest Costs £67.5bn Op Costs £20bn Profit ? (Lets say, breakeven) Overall costs over 25 years £187.5bn Best info on passenger numbers from Ireland based on Channel Tunnel numbers is 15% of population - lets say both NI & Eire, so 7m x 15% = 1.05m people per year, so 10.5m journeys over 10 years. Guess what you wouldhave to charge each passenger to breakeven? £10, £100, £1,000? Well it is £187.5bn/10.5m = £17,857. Do you think people would even make one journey at this kind of cost? That's a decent breakdown but you're forgetting people going the other way. You also forget return costs." I could not see any commercial enterprise going anywhere near this. It makes zero commercial sense. As I proposed before, offer a free ferry service, it will be cheaper, ready tomorrow and way more flexible. | |||
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"There has been a ferry service between Ireland and Wales for years. And one from Birkenhead to Belfast. Oops, I missed the operative word ‘free’ from theferry service. New Ferries could be built in the UK, travel would be free & borderless ( ). It could be up and running tomorrow and would be about £100bn cheaper. Why even consider a bridge or a tunnel?
Who is gonna pay for this 'free' ferry?
Is my question too.
Ok fair question. But if we can’t find £250m ayear to pay for ferries then who is going to pay for the £100bn tunnel project? "You’re not comparing like with like, the 100 billion or whatever is only spent a few billion at a time, and the finance cost of that money is probably 3 or 4% tops. Running “free” ferries costs whatever billions per year, plus new ferries every so often, plus port infrastructure etc etc | |||
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"So, lets say this is technically feasible, only takes 15 years to get built amd only costs £100bn to build - obvs it would then carry a 3% per annum interest cost and probably another 2% Operating cost. So over 25 years the Tunnel would cost Build £100bn and 10 years at 2% of £100bn for Op Costs and 3% of the average debt over 25 years, lets say average is £90bn - interest at 3% on £90bn for 25 years is: Capital Repayment £100bn Interest Costs £67.5bn Op Costs £20bn Profit ? (Lets say, breakeven) Overall costs over 25 years £187.5bn Best info on passenger numbers from Ireland based on Channel Tunnel numbers is 15% of population - lets say both NI & Eire, so 7m x 15% = 1.05m people per year, so 10.5m journeys over 10 years. Guess what you wouldhave to charge each passenger to breakeven? £10, £100, £1,000? Well it is £187.5bn/10.5m = £17,857. Do you think people would even make one journey at this kind of cost? " Labour come up with a plan to give free broadband to everyone in the country (which would have been hugely beneficial recently) And are widely derided. Boris wants to build a roundabout and a tunnel under the sea,that no fucker will use, as is painted as a visionary. | |||
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"Yet you don't say why - just 'it won't get built' So. Why won't it get built and I don't think because it's a terrible idea is the answer - do you know something about the ability/non ability of it technically that it couldn't be built? Or? Just your opinion? A source told The Times: “Everyone knows Boris wants to do this so people were asked to look at how.” Several senior aides are reportedly against the idea branding it “bats**t” and something akin to a “Fuhrer bunker project”. A source told the newspaper: “Just as Hitler moved around imaginary armies in the dying days of the Third Reich, so the No 10 policy unit is condemned to keep looking at this idea, which exists primarily in the mind of the PM.” Senior aids are 'reported to' but non of those aids identified. So just an opinion piece - like yours - of the project then. K - with you now. TY. Yes, just an opinion. Btw, why do you think it will and should be built ? I actually didn't say once that it should or could be built I have simply argued that if it was going to be, then evidence from around the world proves that it could be built. I am in sympathy however with the fact that great infrastructure projects bring a lot of benefits to current social need - like jobs and taxes etc. And they do so long into the future. Every great project has had its mass of opposition - but I will bet that 95% of the people who opposed an airport, a tunnel or a rail link or a major road project have at sometimes, or very often, in their lives used it and continue to do so. " Build a motorway from Manchester to Sheffield. That will get used and generate both jobs while in build and bring benefits to the regions economy. The Humber bridge is a major tourist attraction which had to be bailed out of its debt by central government because the local population isn’t sufficient to support even its maintenance never mind pay for the bridge. I’m all for better infrastructure and the U.K. has some of the worst over crowded and out-dated roads in Western Europe. The smart motorway use of the hard shoulder is a joke. We should be building for the future and building in over capacity not just enough. Look how the M25 worked out. Regarding the Irish tunnel it would probably be a train tunnel as vehicles would need bigger roadways and safety would mean rail is better. . Sorry whilst I’m sure engineers could build it the numbers don’t stack. Southern Ireland travellers wouldn’t bother using it as quicker to get a ferry from Dublin. It’s far nicer to go on a ferry too. Pretty crap view in a tunnel. The money would be better spent elsewhere and comparing the Mersey tunnels is nonsense as they are commuter routes within an urban conurbation. We’re 40 plus years behind the French with high speed trains and while I’m not against the principal the reality is the money would be better spent on infrastructure just in the north land midlands. We need extra rail freight capacity that’s true but we are in desperate need of better commuter trains. I don’t give a flying fuck if my journey from Manchester to London is 20 mins quicker . It’s not worth £100b and all it does is increase the commuter routes for London. All toads and rail should not lead to London! | |||
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"So, lets say this is technically feasible, only takes 15 years to get built amd only costs £100bn to build - obvs it would then carry a 3% per annum interest cost and probably another 2% Operating cost. So over 25 years the Tunnel would cost Build £100bn and 10 years at 2% of £100bn for Op Costs and 3% of the average debt over 25 years, lets say average is £90bn - interest at 3% on £90bn for 25 years is: Capital Repayment £100bn Interest Costs £67.5bn Op Costs £20bn Profit ? (Lets say, breakeven) Overall costs over 25 years £187.5bn Best info on passenger numbers from Ireland based on Channel Tunnel numbers is 15% of population - lets say both NI & Eire, so 7m x 15% = 1.05m people per year, so 10.5m journeys over 10 years. Guess what you wouldhave to charge each passenger to breakeven? £10, £100, £1,000? Well it is £187.5bn/10.5m = £17,857. Do you think people would even make one journey at this kind of cost? Labour come up with a plan to give free broadband to everyone in the country (which would have been hugely beneficial recently) And are widely derided. Boris wants to build a roundabout and a tunnel under the sea,that no fucker will use, as is painted as a visionary. " Lionel do you ever do any research or is your hate for the Conservative Party really that bad? The idea for a link between Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland and the UK has been ongoing since the late 19th century. So it is clearly not the PM's idea. Have a read and educate yourself! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_British_Isles_fixed_sea_link_connections | |||
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"Yet you don't say why - just 'it won't get built' So. Why won't it get built and I don't think because it's a terrible idea is the answer - do you know something about the ability/non ability of it technically that it couldn't be built? Or? Just your opinion? A source told The Times: “Everyone knows Boris wants to do this so people were asked to look at how.” Several senior aides are reportedly against the idea branding it “bats**t” and something akin to a “Fuhrer bunker project”. A source told the newspaper: “Just as Hitler moved around imaginary armies in the dying days of the Third Reich, so the No 10 policy unit is condemned to keep looking at this idea, which exists primarily in the mind of the PM.” Senior aids are 'reported to' but non of those aids identified. So just an opinion piece - like yours - of the project then. K - with you now. TY. Yes, just an opinion. Btw, why do you think it will and should be built ? I actually didn't say once that it should or could be built I have simply argued that if it was going to be, then evidence from around the world proves that it could be built. I am in sympathy however with the fact that great infrastructure projects bring a lot of benefits to current social need - like jobs and taxes etc. And they do so long into the future. Every great project has had its mass of opposition - but I will bet that 95% of the people who opposed an airport, a tunnel or a rail link or a major road project have at sometimes, or very often, in their lives used it and continue to do so. Build a motorway from Manchester to Sheffield. That will get used and generate both jobs while in build and bring benefits to the regions economy. The Humber bridge is a major tourist attraction which had to be bailed out of its debt by central government because the local population isn’t sufficient to support even its maintenance never mind pay for the bridge. I’m all for better infrastructure and the U.K. has some of the worst over crowded and out-dated roads in Western Europe. The smart motorway use of the hard shoulder is a joke. We should be building for the future and building in over capacity not just enough. Look how the M25 worked out. Regarding the Irish tunnel it would probably be a train tunnel as vehicles would need bigger roadways and safety would mean rail is better. . Sorry whilst I’m sure engineers could build it the numbers don’t stack. Southern Ireland travellers wouldn’t bother using it as quicker to get a ferry from Dublin. It’s far nicer to go on a ferry too. Pretty crap view in a tunnel. The money would be better spent elsewhere and comparing the Mersey tunnels is nonsense as they are commuter routes within an urban conurbation. We’re 40 plus years behind the French with high speed trains and while I’m not against the principal the reality is the money would be better spent on infrastructure just in the north land midlands. We need extra rail freight capacity that’s true but we are in desperate need of better commuter trains. I don’t give a flying fuck if my journey from Manchester to London is 20 mins quicker . It’s not worth £100b and all it does is increase the commuter routes for London. All toads and rail should not lead to London! " Actually the Romans would disagree with you. All roads did lead to London.! | |||
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"Yet you don't say why - just 'it won't get built' So. Why won't it get built and I don't think because it's a terrible idea is the answer - do you know something about the ability/non ability of it technically that it couldn't be built? Or? Just your opinion? A source told The Times: “Everyone knows Boris wants to do this so people were asked to look at how.” Several senior aides are reportedly against the idea branding it “bats**t” and something akin to a “Fuhrer bunker project”. A source told the newspaper: “Just as Hitler moved around imaginary armies in the dying days of the Third Reich, so the No 10 policy unit is condemned to keep looking at this idea, which exists primarily in the mind of the PM.” Senior aids are 'reported to' but non of those aids identified. So just an opinion piece - like yours - of the project then. K - with you now. TY. Yes, just an opinion. Btw, why do you think it will and should be built ? I actually didn't say once that it should or could be built I have simply argued that if it was going to be, then evidence from around the world proves that it could be built. I am in sympathy however with the fact that great infrastructure projects bring a lot of benefits to current social need - like jobs and taxes etc. And they do so long into the future. Every great project has had its mass of opposition - but I will bet that 95% of the people who opposed an airport, a tunnel or a rail link or a major road project have at sometimes, or very often, in their lives used it and continue to do so. Build a motorway from Manchester to Sheffield. That will get used and generate both jobs while in build and bring benefits to the regions economy. The Humber bridge is a major tourist attraction which had to be bailed out of its debt by central government because the local population isn’t sufficient to support even its maintenance never mind pay for the bridge. I’m all for better infrastructure and the U.K. has some of the worst over crowded and out-dated roads in Western Europe. The smart motorway use of the hard shoulder is a joke. We should be building for the future and building in over capacity not just enough. Look how the M25 worked out. Regarding the Irish tunnel it would probably be a train tunnel as vehicles would need bigger roadways and safety would mean rail is better. . Sorry whilst I’m sure engineers could build it the numbers don’t stack. Southern Ireland travellers wouldn’t bother using it as quicker to get a ferry from Dublin. It’s far nicer to go on a ferry too. Pretty crap view in a tunnel. The money would be better spent elsewhere and comparing the Mersey tunnels is nonsense as they are commuter routes within an urban conurbation. We’re 40 plus years behind the French with high speed trains and while I’m not against the principal the reality is the money would be better spent on infrastructure just in the north land midlands. We need extra rail freight capacity that’s true but we are in desperate need of better commuter trains. I don’t give a flying fuck if my journey from Manchester to London is 20 mins quicker . It’s not worth £100b and all it does is increase the commuter routes for London. All toads and rail should not lead to London! Actually the Romans would disagree with you. All roads did lead to London.! "True. but what did the Romans ever do for us?? | |||
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"Yet you don't say why - just 'it won't get built' So. Why won't it get built and I don't think because it's a terrible idea is the answer - do you know something about the ability/non ability of it technically that it couldn't be built? Or? Just your opinion? A source told The Times: “Everyone knows Boris wants to do this so people were asked to look at how.” Several senior aides are reportedly against the idea branding it “bats**t” and something akin to a “Fuhrer bunker project”. A source told the newspaper: “Just as Hitler moved around imaginary armies in the dying days of the Third Reich, so the No 10 policy unit is condemned to keep looking at this idea, which exists primarily in the mind of the PM.” Senior aids are 'reported to' but non of those aids identified. So just an opinion piece - like yours - of the project then. K - with you now. TY. Yes, just an opinion. Btw, why do you think it will and should be built ? I actually didn't say once that it should or could be built I have simply argued that if it was going to be, then evidence from around the world proves that it could be built. I am in sympathy however with the fact that great infrastructure projects bring a lot of benefits to current social need - like jobs and taxes etc. And they do so long into the future. Every great project has had its mass of opposition - but I will bet that 95% of the people who opposed an airport, a tunnel or a rail link or a major road project have at sometimes, or very often, in their lives used it and continue to do so. Build a motorway from Manchester to Sheffield. That will get used and generate both jobs while in build and bring benefits to the regions economy. The Humber bridge is a major tourist attraction which had to be bailed out of its debt by central government because the local population isn’t sufficient to support even its maintenance never mind pay for the bridge. I’m all for better infrastructure and the U.K. has some of the worst over crowded and out-dated roads in Western Europe. The smart motorway use of the hard shoulder is a joke. We should be building for the future and building in over capacity not just enough. Look how the M25 worked out. Regarding the Irish tunnel it would probably be a train tunnel as vehicles would need bigger roadways and safety would mean rail is better. . Sorry whilst I’m sure engineers could build it the numbers don’t stack. Southern Ireland travellers wouldn’t bother using it as quicker to get a ferry from Dublin. It’s far nicer to go on a ferry too. Pretty crap view in a tunnel. The money would be better spent elsewhere and comparing the Mersey tunnels is nonsense as they are commuter routes within an urban conurbation. We’re 40 plus years behind the French with high speed trains and while I’m not against the principal the reality is the money would be better spent on infrastructure just in the north land midlands. We need extra rail freight capacity that’s true but we are in desperate need of better commuter trains. I don’t give a flying fuck if my journey from Manchester to London is 20 mins quicker . It’s not worth £100b and all it does is increase the commuter routes for London. All toads and rail should not lead to London! Actually the Romans would disagree with you. All roads did lead to London.!
True. but what did the Romans ever do for us?? "Nothing! Except for the aqueducts, sanitation, roads, irrigation and medicine what did they ever do for us! | |||
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"There has been a ferry service between Ireland and Wales for years. And one from Birkenhead to Belfast. Oops, I missed the operative word ‘free’ from theferry service. New Ferries could be built in the UK, travel would be free & borderless ( ). It could be up and running tomorrow and would be about £100bn cheaper. Why even consider a bridge or a tunnel?
Who is gonna pay for this 'free' ferry?
Is my question too.
Ok fair question. But if we can’t find £250m ayear to pay for ferries then who is going to pay for the £100bn tunnel project?
You’re not comparing like with like, the 100 billion or whatever is only spent a few billion at a time, and the finance cost of that money is probably 3 or 4% tops. Running “free” ferries costs whatever billions per year, plus new ferries every so often, plus port infrastructure etc etc "Only a few billion at a time ? So twenty year build plan? If the government fund the money gilts are running at 3-3.5% at a time when interest rates are exceptionally low . When rates move that debt will get nasty. The government is going to pay more now their total debt is so high and our credit rating is weaker. The private sector putting up that kind of cash won’t be interested in 3% . They would expect 6 to 10% ROI in today’s market. Seeing as the debt would take 50 -100 years plus to pay off based on traffic forecasts it’s not looking attractive. Btw tunnels have infrastructure too. And it’s a lot more than a ferry port. Have you seen Folkestone? | |||
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"Yet you don't say why - just 'it won't get built' So. Why won't it get built and I don't think because it's a terrible idea is the answer - do you know something about the ability/non ability of it technically that it couldn't be built? Or? Just your opinion? A source told The Times: “Everyone knows Boris wants to do this so people were asked to look at how.” Several senior aides are reportedly against the idea branding it “bats**t” and something akin to a “Fuhrer bunker project”. A source told the newspaper: “Just as Hitler moved around imaginary armies in the dying days of the Third Reich, so the No 10 policy unit is condemned to keep looking at this idea, which exists primarily in the mind of the PM.” Senior aids are 'reported to' but non of those aids identified. So just an opinion piece - like yours - of the project then. K - with you now. TY. Yes, just an opinion. Btw, why do you think it will and should be built ? I actually didn't say once that it should or could be built I have simply argued that if it was going to be, then evidence from around the world proves that it could be built. I am in sympathy however with the fact that great infrastructure projects bring a lot of benefits to current social need - like jobs and taxes etc. And they do so long into the future. Every great project has had its mass of opposition - but I will bet that 95% of the people who opposed an airport, a tunnel or a rail link or a major road project have at sometimes, or very often, in their lives used it and continue to do so. Build a motorway from Manchester to Sheffield. That will get used and generate both jobs while in build and bring benefits to the regions economy. The Humber bridge is a major tourist attraction which had to be bailed out of its debt by central government because the local population isn’t sufficient to support even its maintenance never mind pay for the bridge. I’m all for better infrastructure and the U.K. has some of the worst over crowded and out-dated roads in Western Europe. The smart motorway use of the hard shoulder is a joke. We should be building for the future and building in over capacity not just enough. Look how the M25 worked out. Regarding the Irish tunnel it would probably be a train tunnel as vehicles would need bigger roadways and safety would mean rail is better. . Sorry whilst I’m sure engineers could build it the numbers don’t stack. Southern Ireland travellers wouldn’t bother using it as quicker to get a ferry from Dublin. It’s far nicer to go on a ferry too. Pretty crap view in a tunnel. The money would be better spent elsewhere and comparing the Mersey tunnels is nonsense as they are commuter routes within an urban conurbation. We’re 40 plus years behind the French with high speed trains and while I’m not against the principal the reality is the money would be better spent on infrastructure just in the north land midlands. We need extra rail freight capacity that’s true but we are in desperate need of better commuter trains. I don’t give a flying fuck if my journey from Manchester to London is 20 mins quicker . It’s not worth £100b and all it does is increase the commuter routes for London. All toads and rail should not lead to London! Actually the Romans would disagree with you. All roads did lead to London.!
True. but what did the Romans ever do for us??
Nothing!
Except for the aqueducts, sanitation, roads, irrigation and medicine what did they ever do for us! "The people’s front of Judea have a lot to answer for by not stamping those Romans out when they had the chance!! Nothing but trouble the lot of em! | |||
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"There has been a ferry service between Ireland and Wales for years. And one from Birkenhead to Belfast. Oops, I missed the operative word ‘free’ from theferry service. New Ferries could be built in the UK, travel would be free & borderless ( ). It could be up and running tomorrow and would be about £100bn cheaper. Why even consider a bridge or a tunnel?
Who is gonna pay for this 'free' ferry?
Is my question too.
Ok fair question. But if we can’t find £250m ayear to pay for ferries then who is going to pay for the £100bn tunnel project?
You’re not comparing like with like, the 100 billion or whatever is only spent a few billion at a time, and the finance cost of that money is probably 3 or 4% tops. Running “free” ferries costs whatever billions per year, plus new ferries every so often, plus port infrastructure etc etc
Only a few billion at a time ? So twenty year build plan?
If the government fund the money gilts are running at 3-3.5% at a time when interest rates are exceptionally low . When rates move that debt will get nasty. The government is going to pay more now their total debt is so high and our credit rating is weaker.
The private sector putting up that kind of cash won’t be interested in 3% . They would expect 6 to 10% ROI in today’s market.
Seeing as the debt would take 50 -100 years plus to pay off based on traffic forecasts it’s not looking attractive.
Btw tunnels have infrastructure too. And it’s a lot more than a ferry port. Have you seen Folkestone?
"Seen Folkestone? No, never been out of Surrey. But all the financial forecasters you like to hang your hat on say low interest rates are here to stay. Just accept the pure implacable logic of my post and move on | |||
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"There has been a ferry service between Ireland and Wales for years. And one from Birkenhead to Belfast. Oops, I missed the operative word ‘free’ from theferry service. New Ferries could be built in the UK, travel would be free & borderless ( ). It could be up and running tomorrow and would be about £100bn cheaper. Why even consider a bridge or a tunnel?
Who is gonna pay for this 'free' ferry?
Is my question too.
Ok fair question. But if we can’t find £250m ayear to pay for ferries then who is going to pay for the £100bn tunnel project?
You’re not comparing like with like, the 100 billion or whatever is only spent a few billion at a time, and the finance cost of that money is probably 3 or 4% tops. Running “free” ferries costs whatever billions per year, plus new ferries every so often, plus port infrastructure etc etc "So state of the art ferries cost about £200m each, will last for about 25 years and most of the infrastructure is already in place. I cannot see the costs of ferries running into the billions a year. So the reality is that free Ferries will be forever cheaper than a White Elephant Tunnel or Bridge. & the upside you miss is that it is available tomorrow and not in 15 years time. Why wouldn’t we do this? It brings the Union closer, it enables free trade with NI and it increases employment. It also saves billions to be spent on superfast broadband, or connecting Manchester, Leeds & Newcastle - good for the footie if nothing else | |||
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"There has been a ferry service between Ireland and Wales for years. And one from Birkenhead to Belfast. Oops, I missed the operative word ‘free’ from theferry service. New Ferries could be built in the UK, travel would be free & borderless ( ). It could be up and running tomorrow and would be about £100bn cheaper. Why even consider a bridge or a tunnel?
Who is gonna pay for this 'free' ferry?
Is my question too.
Ok fair question. But if we can’t find £250m ayear to pay for ferries then who is going to pay for the £100bn tunnel project?
You’re not comparing like with like, the 100 billion or whatever is only spent a few billion at a time, and the finance cost of that money is probably 3 or 4% tops. Running “free” ferries costs whatever billions per year, plus new ferries every so often, plus port infrastructure etc etc
Only a few billion at a time ? So twenty year build plan?
If the government fund the money gilts are running at 3-3.5% at a time when interest rates are exceptionally low . When rates move that debt will get nasty. The government is going to pay more now their total debt is so high and our credit rating is weaker.
The private sector putting up that kind of cash won’t be interested in 3% . They would expect 6 to 10% ROI in today’s market.
Seeing as the debt would take 50 -100 years plus to pay off based on traffic forecasts it’s not looking attractive.
Btw tunnels have infrastructure too. And it’s a lot more than a ferry port. Have you seen Folkestone?
Seen Folkestone? No, never been out of Surrey.
But all the financial forecasters you like to hang your hat on say low interest rates are here to stay. Just accept the pure implacable logic of my post and move on "Not seen a hundred year forecast so please feel free to show me a link that’s fascinating. I think the word you meant was irrational not implacable
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"See. Left this for 12 hours and already you are all putting your heads together and trying to build it - Well done for our side. Dunkirk Spirit and all that. "True, I have bought myself a shovel , once Boris gives us the green light I will be happy to do my bit | |||
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"See. Left this for 12 hours and already you are all putting your heads together and trying to build it - Well done for our side. Dunkirk Spirit and all that.
True, I have bought myself a shovel , once Boris gives us the green light I will be happy to do my bit "I'll bring a flask and a whistle. | |||
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"See. Left this for 12 hours and already you are all putting your heads together and trying to build it - Well done for our side. Dunkirk Spirit and all that.
True, I have bought myself a shovel , once Boris gives us the green light I will be happy to do my bit "I hope you didnt get it online from the same place as your chairs otherwise the tunnel will be open before you get it. | |||
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"See. Left this for 12 hours and already you are all putting your heads together and trying to build it - Well done for our side. Dunkirk Spirit and all that.
True, I have bought myself a shovel , once Boris gives us the green light I will be happy to do my bit I hope you didnt get it online from the same place as your chairs otherwise the tunnel will be open before you get it. "I hope we didn't just employ a slacker? Tool excuses will NOT be acceptable. | |||
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"Swampy's son was brought out of a Tunnel last week, wasn't he?" yep he is good at digging tunnels. | |||
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"See. Left this for 12 hours and already you are all putting your heads together and trying to build it - Well done for our side. Dunkirk Spirit and all that.
True, I have bought myself a shovel , once Boris gives us the green light I will be happy to do my bit I hope you didnt get it online from the same place as your chairs otherwise the tunnel will be open before you get it. "Cruel, you know I dint like to talk about my chairs | |||
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"See. Left this for 12 hours and already you are all putting your heads together and trying to build it - Well done for our side. Dunkirk Spirit and all that.
True, I have bought myself a shovel , once Boris gives us the green light I will be happy to do my bit I hope you didnt get it online from the same place as your chairs otherwise the tunnel will be open before you get it.
Cruel, you know I dint like to talk about my chairs "yeah sorry have a sit down for a minute oh you cant can you. | |||
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"See. Left this for 12 hours and already you are all putting your heads together and trying to build it - Well done for our side. Dunkirk Spirit and all that.
True, I have bought myself a shovel , once Boris gives us the green light I will be happy to do my bit I hope you didnt get it online from the same place as your chairs otherwise the tunnel will be open before you get it.
Cruel, you know I dint like to talk about my chairs yeah sorry have a sit down for a minute oh you cant can you. "lol. Maybe he's gone for a lie down? | |||
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