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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

Seems like they've broken the law with how they did all that PPE purchasing, you know, the purchasing where there chums and spivs were raking it in at our expense.

Expect no resignations, prosecutions or anyone to take responsibility. Do expect a lot of diversionary tactics.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Seems like they've broken the law with how they did all that PPE purchasing, you know, the purchasing where there chums and spivs were raking it in at our expense.

Expect no resignations, prosecutions or anyone to take responsibility. Do expect a lot of diversionary tactics."

No, they broke the law by not publishing details of contracts over £10k, which is required under Govermental transparency rules.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief. "

I believe he's simply there to absorb the flak

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I believe he's simply there to absorb the flak"

A useful idiot so to speak.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief. "

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

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over a year ago

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care."

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published."

I agree that it should be investigated, and whoever is at fault needs to be held accountable.

Won't happen though.

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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published."

There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

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over a year ago

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done."

This is where I can't take you seriously. You start a specific thread and 5 comments in you've already changed to 'the governement have lied about everything'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

I agree that it should be investigated, and whoever is at fault needs to be held accountable.

Won't happen though. "

I agree it probably won't happen. It should though. It's pointless the court having made this ruling if there's nothing to follow. Either investigate or don't. Just don't making a judgement on part of something when it only scratches the surface.

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By *ust some cock suckerMan
over a year ago

Preston

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published."

If he was to be sacked by Boris as with any other Minister, it's their ministerial jobs at stake not the Member of Parliament role.

If anyone was to be sacked by Boris due to incompetence during this pandemic, the with all the failings so far on a much higher scale we've had to endure along with no sackings then publishing documents late isn't going to be a silver bullet to anyone.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Unsurprisingly it's getting very little attention in the media.

It was 4th behind the harry and Meghan story.

Which shows the uphill task labour face when the dice are loaded against you.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Unsurprisingly it's getting very little attention in the media.

It was 4th behind the harry and Meghan story.

Which shows the uphill task labour face when the dice are loaded against you."

Lol

“It’s the media’s fault Labour aren’t very good opposition”

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Unsurprisingly it's getting very little attention in the media.

It was 4th behind the harry and Meghan story.

Which shows the uphill task labour face when the dice are loaded against you.

Lol

“It’s the media’s fault Labour aren’t very good opposition”

Thats truly a gift you have

Have you thought about a career in journalism?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Unsurprisingly it's getting very little attention in the media.

It was 4th behind the harry and Meghan story.

Which shows the uphill task labour face when the dice are loaded against you.

Lol

“It’s the media’s fault Labour aren’t very good opposition”

I would imagine that the average person in the street is more interested in Harry and Megs or Kayne and that Kardashian woman!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unsurprisingly it's getting very little attention in the media.

It was 4th behind the harry and Meghan story.

Which shows the uphill task labour face when the dice are loaded against you.

Lol

“It’s the media’s fault Labour aren’t very good opposition”

I would imagine that the average person in the street is more interested in Harry and Megs or Kayne and that Kardashian woman! "

Agreed. News outlets will report what give them viewers/readers.

Unfortunately the reality is that most people couldn't care less about politics

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Unsurprisingly it's getting very little attention in the media.

It was 4th behind the harry and Meghan story.

Which shows the uphill task labour face when the dice are loaded against you.

Lol

“It’s the media’s fault Labour aren’t very good opposition”

I would imagine that the average person in the street is more interested in Harry and Megs or Kayne and that Kardashian woman! "

Yes, in fact I wonder if HMG asked the Supreme Court to deliver this verdict at the same time as the Palace/meghanharry announcement - or maybe it was the other way around...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unsurprisingly it's getting very little attention in the media.

It was 4th behind the harry and Meghan story.

Which shows the uphill task labour face when the dice are loaded against you."

Telegraph had a story about "woke" charities being mean to Tories.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Unsurprisingly it's getting very little attention in the media.

It was 4th behind the harry and Meghan story.

Which shows the uphill task labour face when the dice are loaded against you.

Lol

“It’s the media’s fault Labour aren’t very good opposition”

I would imagine that the average person in the street is more interested in Harry and Megs or Kayne and that Kardashian woman! "

True

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Unsurprisingly it's getting very little attention in the media.

It was 4th behind the harry and Meghan story.

Which shows the uphill task labour face when the dice are loaded against you.

Telegraph had a story about "woke" charities being mean to Tories. "

Superb.

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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

This is where I can't take you seriously. You start a specific thread and 5 comments in you've already changed to 'the governement have lied about everything'"

I didn't say that. Go back and read it again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done."

You're exact words are right here

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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

You're exact words are right here

My words are not what you quoted. Read what I posted, then read what you said. Not the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

You're exact words are right here

My words are not what you quoted. Read what I posted, then read what you said. Not the same."

I'll post your full quote even though it isn't any different

'There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.'

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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

You're exact words are right here

My words are not what you quoted. Read what I posted, then read what you said. Not the same.

I'll post your full quote even though it isn't any different

'There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.'

Now what did you post, spot the difference.

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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

You're exact words are right here

My words are not what you quoted. Read what I posted, then read what you said. Not the same.

I'll post your full quote even though it isn't any different

'There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.'

I'll make it easy for you

ere's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

This is where I can't take you seriously. You start a specific thread and 5 comments in you've already changed to 'the governement have lied about everything'"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

You're exact words are right here

My words are not what you quoted. Read what I posted, then read what you said. Not the same.

I'll post your full quote even though it isn't any different

'There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.'

I'll make it easy for you

ere's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

This is where I can't take you seriously. You start a specific thread and 5 comments in you've already changed to 'the governement have lied about everything'""

So what exactly is different from my quote to your comment?

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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

You're exact words are right here

My words are not what you quoted. Read what I posted, then read what you said. Not the same.

I'll post your full quote even though it isn't any different

'There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.'

I'll make it easy for you

ere's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

This is where I can't take you seriously. You start a specific thread and 5 comments in you've already changed to 'the governement have lied about everything'"

So what exactly is different from my quote to your comment?"

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

You're exact words are right here

My words are not what you quoted. Read what I posted, then read what you said. Not the same.

I'll post your full quote even though it isn't any different

'There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.'

I'll make it easy for you

ere's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

This is where I can't take you seriously. You start a specific thread and 5 comments in you've already changed to 'the governement have lied about everything'"

So what exactly is different from my quote to your comment?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?"

Are you trying to insult me by calling me slow?

I'll ask again, what's the difference?

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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

You're exact words are right here

My words are not what you quoted. Read what I posted, then read what you said. Not the same.

I'll post your full quote even though it isn't any different

'There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.'

I'll make it easy for you

ere's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

This is where I can't take you seriously. You start a specific thread and 5 comments in you've already changed to 'the governement have lied about everything'"

So what exactly is different from my quote to your comment?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Are you trying to insult me by calling me slow?

I'll ask again, what's the difference?"

I'm not trying to insult you, by say challenging your credibility whilst misquoting you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

You're exact words are right here

My words are not what you quoted. Read what I posted, then read what you said. Not the same.

I'll post your full quote even though it isn't any different

'There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.'

I'll make it easy for you

ere's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

This is where I can't take you seriously. You start a specific thread and 5 comments in you've already changed to 'the governement have lied about everything'"

So what exactly is different from my quote to your comment?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Are you trying to insult me by calling me slow?

I'll ask again, what's the difference?

I'm not trying to insult you, by say challenging your credibility whilst misquoting you."

There is no difference to my quote than your comment

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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

You're exact words are right here

My words are not what you quoted. Read what I posted, then read what you said. Not the same.

I'll post your full quote even though it isn't any different

'There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.'

I'll make it easy for you

ere's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

This is where I can't take you seriously. You start a specific thread and 5 comments in you've already changed to 'the governement have lied about everything'"

So what exactly is different from my quote to your comment?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Are you trying to insult me by calling me slow?

I'll ask again, what's the difference?

I'm not trying to insult you, by say challenging your credibility whilst misquoting you.

There is no difference to my quote than your comment

There is a huge difference.

Try again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

You're exact words are right here

My words are not what you quoted. Read what I posted, then read what you said. Not the same.

I'll post your full quote even though it isn't any different

'There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.'

I'll make it easy for you

ere's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

This is where I can't take you seriously. You start a specific thread and 5 comments in you've already changed to 'the governement have lied about everything'"

So what exactly is different from my quote to your comment?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Are you trying to insult me by calling me slow?

I'll ask again, what's the difference?

I'm not trying to insult you, by say challenging your credibility whilst misquoting you.

There is no difference to my quote than your comment

There is a huge difference.

Try again."

You keep saying so but I've asked you at least twice what the difference is and you either can't show one or refuse to.

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech

There are two words that are different, "just about" being the two words, although that doesn't really alter the statement much in my book. Why people play games and cannot debate subjects like adults any longer is beyond me.

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over a year ago

"There are two words that are different, "just about" being the two words, although that doesn't really alter the statement much in my book. Why people play games and cannot debate subjects like adults any longer is beyond me."

Exactly my point

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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"As I said in the other thread. How Matt Hancock is still in a job beggars belief.

I don't think it matters. Tory voters either won't see this (no sign of this story in the Torygraph, for example), or simply won't care.

It matters. We need an independent inquiry and if he's found guilty then he should be relieved of his duties. Actually sacking him as an MP isn't so easy.

However I would say not publishing isn't good enough. Especially as the only judgement so far is that he didn't publish within the timeframe. We need to know why they weren't published.

This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

You're exact words are right here

My words are not what you quoted. Read what I posted, then read what you said. Not the same.

I'll post your full quote even though it isn't any different

'There's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.'

I'll make it easy for you

ere's no chance of a truly independent investigation. This government has lied on just about everything it's done.

This is where I can't take you seriously. You start a specific thread and 5 comments in you've already changed to 'the governement have lied about everything'"

So what exactly is different from my quote to your comment?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Are you trying to insult me by calling me slow?

I'll ask again, what's the difference?

I'm not trying to insult you, by say challenging your credibility whilst misquoting you.

There is no difference to my quote than your comment

There is a huge difference.

Try again.

You keep saying so but I've asked you at least twice what the difference is and you either can't show one or refuse to."

I've repeatedly posted the two texts. You need to hold your hand up and just admit you misquoted me.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'm assuming this will be the start of the legal process against the gmnt.

I'm guessing the next step will be proving why so many contracts when to companies with links to the gmnt.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Starmer saying hancock shouldnt resign.

Seems to be going down the ed Miliband option of just ignoring all the various shit they get upto and hoping it will go away.

This is going to end well.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/20/uk-government-under-growing-pressure-over-covid-procurement

I'm sure it's all perfectly innocent why they are still not releasing the information.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

this may end as a case of careful what you wish for.

sks has limited coice of action. complain loudly and nothing happens or let the government set precedents which labour can use themselves further down the line.

the government have already set precedents with jenricks corruption, patels bullying staff out of their job, unelected beaurocrats ordering the police to evict staff from the workplace etc etc etc.

taking into account that false equivalence is the new zeitgeist in society these precedents could be useful to labour later on

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"this may end as a case of careful what you wish for.

sks has limited coice of action. complain loudly and nothing happens or let the government set precedents which labour can use themselves further down the line.

the government have already set precedents with jenricks corruption, patels bullying staff out of their job, unelected beaurocrats ordering the police to evict staff from the workplace etc etc etc.

taking into account that false equivalence is the new zeitgeist in society these precedents could be useful to labour later on"

He already isn't too popular and consistently letting them get away with industrial levels of corruption and incompetence isnt going to help.

What's he going to do.

Wait until the vaccine and fully rolled out and the number of deaths they have directly caused will be ignored?

I think labour are stick with another ed Miliband

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