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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The Tesla factory and its ecosystem will make in one year for Germany than what fishing will take 50 years to make for the UK.

Originally Telsa was going to invest in the UK however the advent of leaving the EU made them rethink - hence the move to Germany.

But, is this really a long term loss for the UK?

Batteries for cars need precious metals mined (currently) in Africa where children are used to work the mines.

Does the UK really want to get involved with child labour and the manufacturing of batteries for electric cars?

Leaving the clutches of the evil EU may have cost the UK dearly but there is are also principles to consider.

The British have always been very principled and this perhaps is an excellent example where we simply say NO to the manufacturing of electric vehicles on our soil.

The Nissan factory in Sunderland is an obvious exception as it is beneficial and necessary.

We knew what we voted for and we did not want Telsa's dirty money.

We won - get over it

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

And where when the Nissan factory goes over to producing electric/hybrid cars if it doesent already do so do you think it will source its batterys from the cheapest or the most ethical ?

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech


"The Tesla factory and its ecosystem will make in one year for Germany than what fishing will take 50 years to make for the UK.

Originally Telsa was going to invest in the UK however the advent of leaving the EU made them rethink - hence the move to Germany.

But, is this really a long term loss for the UK?

Batteries for cars need precious metals mined (currently) in Africa where children are used to work the mines.

Does the UK really want to get involved with child labour and the manufacturing of batteries for electric cars?

Leaving the clutches of the evil EU may have cost the UK dearly but there is are also principles to consider.

The British have always been very principled and this perhaps is an excellent example where we simply say NO to the manufacturing of electric vehicles on our soil.

The Nissan factory in Sunderland is an obvious exception as it is beneficial and necessary.

We knew what we voted for and we did not want Telsa's dirty money.

We won - get over it"

How about actually debating some of these matters in the forum instead of just spamming with multiple posts and long winded rambles.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"And where when the Nissan factory goes over to producing electric/hybrid cars if it doesent already do so do you think it will source its batterys from the cheapest or the most ethical ? "

Already produces batteries on site for current model, and there is planned expansion of battery manufacture, again on site, to be able to make batteries for the new models to be built at the Sunderland plant.

Also don’t forget the britishvolt gigafactory to be built in Blyth (just up the road in the North East) - which will be the second largest battery factory in the world.

And there was news yesterday that Coventry has been identified as the site for another battery manufacturing facility.

And the news that there is globally significant seam of natural lithium material in Cornwall...

Lots of positive news is out there you know, it’s just a shame the MSM don’t make more of it ...

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham


"And where when the Nissan factory goes over to producing electric/hybrid cars if it doesent already do so do you think it will source its batterys from the cheapest or the most ethical ?

Already produces batteries on site for current model, and there is planned expansion of battery manufacture, again on site, to be able to make batteries for the new models to be built at the Sunderland plant.

Also don’t forget the britishvolt gigafactory to be built in Blyth (just up the road in the North East) - which will be the second largest battery factory in the world.

And there was news yesterday that Coventry has been identified as the site for another battery manufacturing facility.

And the news that there is globally significant seam of natural lithium material in Cornwall...

Lots of positive news is out there you know, it’s just a shame the MSM don’t make more of it ..."

Britain !!! Home of the Battery .. I like it ..

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"And where when the Nissan factory goes over to producing electric/hybrid cars if it doesent already do so do you think it will source its batterys from the cheapest or the most ethical ?

Already produces batteries on site for current model, and there is planned expansion of battery manufacture, again on site, to be able to make batteries for the new models to be built at the Sunderland plant.

Also don’t forget the britishvolt gigafactory to be built in Blyth (just up the road in the North East) - which will be the second largest battery factory in the world.

And there was news yesterday that Coventry has been identified as the site for another battery manufacturing facility.

And the news that there is globally significant seam of natural lithium material in Cornwall...

Lots of positive news is out there you know, it’s just a shame the MSM don’t make more of it ..."

You beat me to it. Not forgetting British mined lithium in car batteries goes a long way to country of origin percentages too.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"And where when the Nissan factory goes over to producing electric/hybrid cars if it doesent already do so do you think it will source its batterys from the cheapest or the most ethical ?

Already produces batteries on site for current model, and there is planned expansion of battery manufacture, again on site, to be able to make batteries for the new models to be built at the Sunderland plant.

Also don’t forget the britishvolt gigafactory to be built in Blyth (just up the road in the North East) - which will be the second largest battery factory in the world.

And there was news yesterday that Coventry has been identified as the site for another battery manufacturing facility.

And the news that there is globally significant seam of natural lithium material in Cornwall...

Lots of positive news is out there you know, it’s just a shame the MSM don’t make more of it ...

Britain !!! Home of the Battery .. I like it .. "

Indeed, why not

And Britishvolt signing up to the UK Steel Charter, pledging to build the gigafactory from uk manufactured steel, it's hard not agree that these are all very positive signals.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon


"And where when the Nissan factory goes over to producing electric/hybrid cars if it doesent already do so do you think it will source its batterys from the cheapest or the most ethical ?

Already produces batteries on site for current model, and there is planned expansion of battery manufacture, again on site, to be able to make batteries for the new models to be built at the Sunderland plant.

Also don’t forget the britishvolt gigafactory to be built in Blyth (just up the road in the North East) - which will be the second largest battery factory in the world.

And there was news yesterday that Coventry has been identified as the site for another battery manufacturing facility.

And the news that there is globally significant seam of natural lithium material in Cornwall...

Lots of positive news is out there you know, it’s just a shame the MSM don’t make more of it ...

Britain !!! Home of the Battery .. I like it .. "

Let’s be POSITIVE, guilty as CHARGED

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham


"And where when the Nissan factory goes over to producing electric/hybrid cars if it doesent already do so do you think it will source its batterys from the cheapest or the most ethical ?

Already produces batteries on site for current model, and there is planned expansion of battery manufacture, again on site, to be able to make batteries for the new models to be built at the Sunderland plant.

Also don’t forget the britishvolt gigafactory to be built in Blyth (just up the road in the North East) - which will be the second largest battery factory in the world.

And there was news yesterday that Coventry has been identified as the site for another battery manufacturing facility.

And the news that there is globally significant seam of natural lithium material in Cornwall...

Lots of positive news is out there you know, it’s just a shame the MSM don’t make more of it ...

Britain !!! Home of the Battery .. I like it ..

Let’s be POSITIVE, guilty as CHARGED"

Der Dum !!!

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham


"And where when the Nissan factory goes over to producing electric/hybrid cars if it doesent already do so do you think it will source its batterys from the cheapest or the most ethical ?

Already produces batteries on site for current model, and there is planned expansion of battery manufacture, again on site, to be able to make batteries for the new models to be built at the Sunderland plant.

Also don’t forget the britishvolt gigafactory to be built in Blyth (just up the road in the North East) - which will be the second largest battery factory in the world.

And there was news yesterday that Coventry has been identified as the site for another battery manufacturing facility.

And the news that there is globally significant seam of natural lithium material in Cornwall...

Lots of positive news is out there you know, it’s just a shame the MSM don’t make more of it ...You beat me to it. Not forgetting British mined lithium in car batteries goes a long way to country of origin percentages too. "

I don’t mean to pee on anyone’s party just yet . However it won’t be mined as the lithium found in Cornwall is in the form of geothermal brine located in hot springs amongst rock some 2.5km down .. extracting lithium from brine usually takes place where lakes are formed using the suns natural resource as a form of evaporation process which keeps costs down .. There is techniques to extract lithium from brine using alternative methods but the company pioneering these methods ran out of money and went pop .. That’s not to say it cannot be commercially viable ..

Meanwhile Cornish lithium company has drilled an exploratory bore hole as a feasibility study ( it’s rather like drilling for oil ) and whilst the company remains positive to attract investment so far have only managed to produce “ heat “ which in turn has been used to warm the “ Art Deco “ swimming pool in Penzance .. Which is nice to hear ,, I never knew Penzance was vaguely associated with “ Art Decor “

So whilst no news is of course good news , as they say in Cornwall “ Don’t count ya Pasties before they go moldey “

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

There's a lot of protests going on in Germany about the new Tesla factory. Tesla seems more keen on India recently.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"And where when the Nissan factory goes over to producing electric/hybrid cars if it doesent already do so do you think it will source its batterys from the cheapest or the most ethical ?

Already produces batteries on site for current model, and there is planned expansion of battery manufacture, again on site, to be able to make batteries for the new models to be built at the Sunderland plant.

Also don’t forget the britishvolt gigafactory to be built in Blyth (just up the road in the North East) - which will be the second largest battery factory in the world.

And there was news yesterday that Coventry has been identified as the site for another battery manufacturing facility.

And the news that there is globally significant seam of natural lithium material in Cornwall...

Lots of positive news is out there you know, it’s just a shame the MSM don’t make more of it ...You beat me to it. Not forgetting British mined lithium in car batteries goes a long way to country of origin percentages too.

I don’t mean to pee on anyone’s party just yet . However it won’t be mined as the lithium found in Cornwall is in the form of geothermal brine located in hot springs amongst rock some 2.5km down .. extracting lithium from brine usually takes place where lakes are formed using the suns natural resource as a form of evaporation process which keeps costs down .. There is techniques to extract lithium from brine using alternative methods but the company pioneering these methods ran out of money and went pop .. That’s not to say it cannot be commercially viable ..

Meanwhile Cornish lithium company has drilled an exploratory bore hole as a feasibility study ( it’s rather like drilling for oil ) and whilst the company remains positive to attract investment so far have only managed to produce “ heat “ which in turn has been used to warm the “ Art Deco “ swimming pool in Penzance .. Which is nice to hear ,, I never knew Penzance was vaguely associated with “ Art Decor “

So whilst no news is of course good news , as they say in Cornwall “ Don’t count ya Pasties before they go moldey “ "

Thats why the government funded a pilot lithium extraction plant as simular methods have successfully been used in the USA New Zealand and Scandinavia.Its green energy too as the hot water once the lithium is extracted is returned via another bore hole.Reports say there has been high grade lithium found.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

I am all for this investment as it’s all good news. I’m even fine with the grants being offered to the Coventry set up of £500m so no pushback from me. We need cleaner vehicles.

Just something to share really . We need to think long and hard where we get our car batteries from as it’s not as simple as we imagine in saving the planet.

The issue is china and Germany use a lot of coal power. Germany are massively into renewables and EFW too, however the coal power is the issue here.

Interesting stats.

Quoted

“For perspective, the average German car owner could drive a gas-guzzling vehicle for three and a half years, or more than 50,000 kilometers, before a Nissan Leaf with a 30 kWh battery would beat it on carbon-dioxide emissions in a coal-heavy country, Berylls estimates show.

And that's one of the smallest batteries on the market: BMW's i3 has a 42 kWh battery, Mercedes's upcoming EQC crossover will have a 80 kWh battery, and Audi's e-tron will come in at 95 kWh.”

So everyone one of us should be buying U.K. produced batteries or Swedish or even French before we truly are making a difference.

Shame Tesla didn’t set up here as their green credentials would be better.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

I wouldn't dismiss Tesla in the Uk just yet... rumour has it Elon Musk was spotted with Ben Houchen in Middlesbrough earlier this year enjoying a chicken parmo

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham


"And where when the Nissan factory goes over to producing electric/hybrid cars if it doesent already do so do you think it will source its batterys from the cheapest or the most ethical ?

Already produces batteries on site for current model, and there is planned expansion of battery manufacture, again on site, to be able to make batteries for the new models to be built at the Sunderland plant.

Also don’t forget the britishvolt gigafactory to be built in Blyth (just up the road in the North East) - which will be the second largest battery factory in the world.

And there was news yesterday that Coventry has been identified as the site for another battery manufacturing facility.

And the news that there is globally significant seam of natural lithium material in Cornwall...

Lots of positive news is out there you know, it’s just a shame the MSM don’t make more of it ...You beat me to it. Not forgetting British mined lithium in car batteries goes a long way to country of origin percentages too.

I don’t mean to pee on anyone’s party just yet . However it won’t be mined as the lithium found in Cornwall is in the form of geothermal brine located in hot springs amongst rock some 2.5km down .. extracting lithium from brine usually takes place where lakes are formed using the suns natural resource as a form of evaporation process which keeps costs down .. There is techniques to extract lithium from brine using alternative methods but the company pioneering these methods ran out of money and went pop .. That’s not to say it cannot be commercially viable ..

Meanwhile Cornish lithium company has drilled an exploratory bore hole as a feasibility study ( it’s rather like drilling for oil ) and whilst the company remains positive to attract investment so far have only managed to produce “ heat “ which in turn has been used to warm the “ Art Deco “ swimming pool in Penzance .. Which is nice to hear ,, I never knew Penzance was vaguely associated with “ Art Decor “

So whilst no news is of course good news , as they say in Cornwall “ Don’t count ya Pasties before they go moldey “ Thats why the government funded a pilot lithium extraction plant as simular methods have successfully been used in the USA New Zealand and Scandinavia.Its green energy too as the hot water once the lithium is extracted is returned via another bore hole.Reports say there has been high grade lithium found. "

The lithium is indeed high grade and yes the Goverment has funded some exploration also yes it has been found in New Zealand .. What is unproved as yet is it’s cost effectiveness in producing lithium in being able to compete with rock sourced deposits ( Australia largest producer ) and those of lakes ( which I think was chile ) Yes it was a process developed in USA where similar springs have been found but that company went pop due to costs and lack of investment.

A few years ago a geothermal bore was drilled and heat extracted from rock to heat Newcastle hospital I seem to remember . I’ve heard nothing since on the success of this project , which leads me to believe the technology may have gone cold ( excuse the pun )

Mind you I will have a check later and report back on it’s progress

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"And where when the Nissan factory goes over to producing electric/hybrid cars if it doesent already do so do you think it will source its batterys from the cheapest or the most ethical ?

Already produces batteries on site for current model, and there is planned expansion of battery manufacture, again on site, to be able to make batteries for the new models to be built at the Sunderland plant.

Also don’t forget the britishvolt gigafactory to be built in Blyth (just up the road in the North East) - which will be the second largest battery factory in the world.

And there was news yesterday that Coventry has been identified as the site for another battery manufacturing facility.

And the news that there is globally significant seam of natural lithium material in Cornwall...

Lots of positive news is out there you know, it’s just a shame the MSM don’t make more of it ...You beat me to it. Not forgetting British mined lithium in car batteries goes a long way to country of origin percentages too.

I don’t mean to pee on anyone’s party just yet . However it won’t be mined as the lithium found in Cornwall is in the form of geothermal brine located in hot springs amongst rock some 2.5km down .. extracting lithium from brine usually takes place where lakes are formed using the suns natural resource as a form of evaporation process which keeps costs down .. There is techniques to extract lithium from brine using alternative methods but the company pioneering these methods ran out of money and went pop .. That’s not to say it cannot be commercially viable ..

Meanwhile Cornish lithium company has drilled an exploratory bore hole as a feasibility study ( it’s rather like drilling for oil ) and whilst the company remains positive to attract investment so far have only managed to produce “ heat “ which in turn has been used to warm the “ Art Deco “ swimming pool in Penzance .. Which is nice to hear ,, I never knew Penzance was vaguely associated with “ Art Decor “

So whilst no news is of course good news , as they say in Cornwall “ Don’t count ya Pasties before they go moldey “ Thats why the government funded a pilot lithium extraction plant as simular methods have successfully been used in the USA New Zealand and Scandinavia.Its green energy too as the hot water once the lithium is extracted is returned via another bore hole.Reports say there has been high grade lithium found.

The lithium is indeed high grade and yes the Goverment has funded some exploration also yes it has been found in New Zealand .. What is unproved as yet is it’s cost effectiveness in producing lithium in being able to compete with rock sourced deposits ( Australia largest producer ) and those of lakes ( which I think was chile ) Yes it was a process developed in USA where similar springs have been found but that company went pop due to costs and lack of investment.

A few years ago a geothermal bore was drilled and heat extracted from rock to heat Newcastle hospital I seem to remember . I’ve heard nothing since on the success of this project , which leads me to believe the technology may have gone cold ( excuse the pun )

Mind you I will have a check later and report back on it’s progress "

It seems they are very confident in cornwall.

Cornish Lithium’s founder and chief executive Jeremy Wrathall said that the completion of the new pilot plant, which is classed as ‘shovel-ready’, will enable the project partners to “fast-track similar projects in other locations across Cornwall”.

GEL’s managing director Ryan Law added: “We have made significant strides in establishing the UK’s first deep geothermal power plant in the UK. The possibility of developing future sites that include co-production of lithium extraction is very exciting and a great opportunity for both companies and Cornwall as a whole.”

Elsewhere in Cornwall, geothermal wells are being sunk beneath former clay quarries near the Eden Project. Energy from the project will be supplied to the Project’s biomes and offices for the first time later this year and, in 2023, will also be made available to the local community.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

it appears battery tech is moving away from lithium which would seem sensible.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"it appears battery tech is moving away from lithium which would seem sensible. "
It does the way its being extracted at the moment in places like Bolivia ,Chile and the DRC by evaporation leaving the population short of water and a high carbon extraction footprint.But if it can be done using green energy and no environmental impact it could well stay.

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham


"it appears battery tech is moving away from lithium which would seem sensible. "

In another thread recently we discussed Hydrogen powered vehicles which seems to be gathering momentum with Shell opening 3 Hydrogen filling stations. Moving further away from battery’s

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham


"it appears battery tech is moving away from lithium which would seem sensible. "

When you look at how long literally everyone has stuck with the 18650 type cells (more than ten years) it's clear that commercially viable large scale other chemistries are many, many, years off.

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham


"And where when the Nissan factory goes over to producing electric/hybrid cars if it doesent already do so do you think it will source its batterys from the cheapest or the most ethical ?

Already produces batteries on site for current model, and there is planned expansion of battery manufacture, again on site, to be able to make batteries for the new models to be built at the Sunderland plant.

Also don’t forget the britishvolt gigafactory to be built in Blyth (just up the road in the North East) - which will be the second largest battery factory in the world.

And there was news yesterday that Coventry has been identified as the site for another battery manufacturing facility.

And the news that there is globally significant seam of natural lithium material in Cornwall...

Lots of positive news is out there you know, it’s just a shame the MSM don’t make more of it ...You beat me to it. Not forgetting British mined lithium in car batteries goes a long way to country of origin percentages too.

I don’t mean to pee on anyone’s party just yet . However it won’t be mined as the lithium found in Cornwall is in the form of geothermal brine located in hot springs amongst rock some 2.5km down .. extracting lithium from brine usually takes place where lakes are formed using the suns natural resource as a form of evaporation process which keeps costs down .. There is techniques to extract lithium from brine using alternative methods but the company pioneering these methods ran out of money and went pop .. That’s not to say it cannot be commercially viable ..

Meanwhile Cornish lithium company has drilled an exploratory bore hole as a feasibility study ( it’s rather like drilling for oil ) and whilst the company remains positive to attract investment so far have only managed to produce “ heat “ which in turn has been used to warm the “ Art Deco “ swimming pool in Penzance .. Which is nice to hear ,, I never knew Penzance was vaguely associated with “ Art Decor “

So whilst no news is of course good news , as they say in Cornwall “ Don’t count ya Pasties before they go moldey “ Thats why the government funded a pilot lithium extraction plant as simular methods have successfully been used in the USA New Zealand and Scandinavia.Its green energy too as the hot water once the lithium is extracted is returned via another bore hole.Reports say there has been high grade lithium found.

The lithium is indeed high grade and yes the Goverment has funded some exploration also yes it has been found in New Zealand .. What is unproved as yet is it’s cost effectiveness in producing lithium in being able to compete with rock sourced deposits ( Australia largest producer ) and those of lakes ( which I think was chile ) Yes it was a process developed in USA where similar springs have been found but that company went pop due to costs and lack of investment.

A few years ago a geothermal bore was drilled and heat extracted from rock to heat Newcastle hospital I seem to remember . I’ve heard nothing since on the success of this project , which leads me to believe the technology may have gone cold ( excuse the pun )

Mind you I will have a check later and report back on it’s progress It seems they are very confident in cornwall.

Cornish Lithium’s founder and chief executive Jeremy Wrathall said that the completion of the new pilot plant, which is classed as ‘shovel-ready’, will enable the project partners to “fast-track similar projects in other locations across Cornwall”.

GEL’s managing director Ryan Law added: “We have made significant strides in establishing the UK’s first deep geothermal power plant in the UK. The possibility of developing future sites that include co-production of lithium extraction is very exciting and a great opportunity for both companies and Cornwall as a whole.”

Elsewhere in Cornwall, geothermal wells are being sunk beneath former clay quarries near the Eden Project. Energy from the project will be supplied to the Project’s biomes and offices for the first time later this year and, in 2023, will also be made available to the local community. "

As an engineer myself I’m always interested in technologies and do hope that Britain can and will as always contribute to global powers and infrastructures .

However that your last post is from a chief exc desperate for funding .. He would say that wouldn’t he

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"it appears battery tech is moving away from lithium which would seem sensible.

In another thread recently we discussed Hydrogen powered vehicles which seems to be gathering momentum with Shell opening 3 Hydrogen filling stations. Moving further away from battery’s "

Thats true so what you saying its a bad idea to invest in our own green lithium?

you do understand its used in more than car batteries and is a valuable commodity?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

it's certainly an interesting time. the company with the lowest tech solution will win the 'vhs v betamax' battle. batteries utilising carbon, silicone and even sodium chloride are making a lot of headway lately.

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham


"it appears battery tech is moving away from lithium which would seem sensible.

In another thread recently we discussed Hydrogen powered vehicles which seems to be gathering momentum with Shell opening 3 Hydrogen filling stations. Moving further away from battery’s Thats true so what you saying its a bad idea to invest in our own green lithium?

you do understand its used in more than car batteries and is a valuable commodity?"

Yes it’s a commodity , and whilst in high demand at present do to greater battery use . If battery usage falls significantly will we be able to compete with the already established mines such as Australia . it’s not much different to coal production . Our mining industry became unviable due to a glut of coal on the market with less demand as alternative and cheaper forms of energy came about ..

The big question now is if investors want to take a punt on Cornish lithium ..

For sure Boris will rah rah rah it till the cows come home .. The question is it’s commercial viability ..

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

electric roads may also help with reducing battery size and usage.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Ford have in the last hour literally announced their entire European fleet will be all electric by the end of the decade......

Jaguar Land Rover announced the same thing on Monday.....

So... if you think this is just a Tesla issue.... you are mad

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

bicycles

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"The Tesla factory and its ecosystem will make in one year for Germany than what fishing will take 50 years to make for the UK.

Originally Telsa was going to invest in the UK however the advent of leaving the EU made them rethink - hence the move to Germany.

But, is this really a long term loss for the UK?

Batteries for cars need precious metals mined (currently) in Africa where children are used to work the mines.

Does the UK really want to get involved with child labour and the manufacturing of batteries for electric cars?

Leaving the clutches of the evil EU may have cost the UK dearly but there is are also principles to consider.

The British have always been very principled and this perhaps is an excellent example where we simply say NO to the manufacturing of electric vehicles on our soil.

The Nissan factory in Sunderland is an obvious exception as it is beneficial and necessary.

We knew what we voted for and we did not want Telsa's dirty money.

We won - get over it"

Spam spam spam spam wonderful spam!!!!

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Ford have in the last hour literally announced their entire European fleet will be all electric by the end of the decade......

Jaguar Land Rover announced the same thing on Monday.....

So... if you think this is just a Tesla issue.... you are mad"

What is slightly concerning, is that Ford are going to use Volkswagen electric technology.

I'm not sure where this will leave their engine plant at Dagenham.

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By *rystal DreamtimeTV/TS
over a year ago

horsham


"And where when the Nissan factory goes over to producing electric/hybrid cars if it doesent already do so do you think it will source its batterys from the cheapest or the most ethical ?

Already produces batteries on site for current model, and there is planned expansion of battery manufacture, again on site, to be able to make batteries for the new models to be built at the Sunderland plant.

Also don’t forget the britishvolt gigafactory to be built in Blyth (just up the road in the North East) - which will be the second largest battery factory in the world.

And there was news yesterday that Coventry has been identified as the site for another battery manufacturing facility.

And the news that there is globally significant seam of natural lithium material in Cornwall...

Lots of positive news is out there you know, it’s just a shame the MSM don’t make more of it ...You beat me to it. Not forgetting British mined lithium in car batteries goes a long way to country of origin percentages too.

I don’t mean to pee on anyone’s party just yet . However it won’t be mined as the lithium found in Cornwall is in the form of geothermal brine located in hot springs amongst rock some 2.5km down .. extracting lithium from brine usually takes place where lakes are formed using the suns natural resource as a form of evaporation process which keeps costs down .. There is techniques to extract lithium from brine using alternative methods but the company pioneering these methods ran out of money and went pop .. That’s not to say it cannot be commercially viable ..

Meanwhile Cornish lithium company has drilled an exploratory bore hole as a feasibility study ( it’s rather like drilling for oil ) and whilst the company remains positive to attract investment so far have only managed to produce “ heat “ which in turn has been used to warm the “ Art Deco “ swimming pool in Penzance .. Which is nice to hear ,, I never knew Penzance was vaguely associated with “ Art Decor “

So whilst no news is of course good news , as they say in Cornwall “ Don’t count ya Pasties before they go moldey “ Thats why the government funded a pilot lithium extraction plant as simular methods have successfully been used in the USA New Zealand and Scandinavia.Its green energy too as the hot water once the lithium is extracted is returned via another bore hole.Reports say there has been high grade lithium found.

The lithium is indeed high grade and yes the Goverment has funded some exploration also yes it has been found in New Zealand .. What is unproved as yet is it’s cost effectiveness in producing lithium in being able to compete with rock sourced deposits ( Australia largest producer ) and those of lakes ( which I think was chile ) Yes it was a process developed in USA where similar springs have been found but that company went pop due to costs and lack of investment.

A few years ago a geothermal bore was drilled and heat extracted from rock to heat Newcastle hospital I seem to remember . I’ve heard nothing since on the success of this project , which leads me to believe the technology may have gone cold ( excuse the pun )

Mind you I will have a check later and report back on it’s progress "

Reporting back .. “ The bore hole heating project in Newcastle has failed as not enough heat has been able to be extracted to heat the Medical Centre . So I would seem that whilst it is viable to keep an ambient temperature of the swimming pool water , it cannot it would seem be viable to offset some of the costs by supplying heat for say housing or business..

Further reading .. Whilst the quality of the Lithium is high the brines content is relatively low meaning one would have to boil and awful lot of kettles for extraction ( layman’s terms of course ) ..Thata a whole heap of energy for production ...

Still I’m sure there is still work to be done ... Fingers crossed

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

https://news.sky.com/story/jaguar-land-rover-commits-to-uk-plants-in-drive-to-go-all-electric-by-2030-12219031

"Jaguar Land Rover has committed to keep all three of its British plants open in the drive for all its models to be fully electric by the end of the decade."

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

why would car makers have need of engine or gearbox manufacturing plants?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.


"why would car makers have need of engine or gearbox manufacturing plants?"

Did you miss mechanical engineering in school?

Well. An engine is connected to the wheels by a propshaft and a gearbox selects the ratio of engine output to a given motive requirement of force applied for forward motion of the vehicle.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Future electric vehicles will probably adopt a 2 speed geartrain.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney


"Future electric vehicles will probably adopt a 2 speed geartrain. "

drive shaft or stepped motor?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.


"Future electric vehicles will probably adopt a 2 speed geartrain. "

The industry and the world still recognises that it will need Hybrid Combustion and Electric to power Commercial vehicles way into the future. Until such times as they can make Hydrogen works on a commercial basis.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.


"Future electric vehicles will probably adopt a 2 speed geartrain.

drive shaft or stepped motor?"

read above.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Future electric vehicles will probably adopt a 2 speed geartrain.

The industry and the world still recognises that it will need Hybrid Combustion and Electric to power Commercial vehicles way into the future. Until such times as they can make Hydrogen works on a commercial basis.

"

This is true and the big chemical boys are working on upscaling but they need grant status or subsidy for the moment to make on a commercially viable scale .

Industrial usage like buses are much better served with hydrogen so my money is on small vehicles such as cars taking the battery route but bigger stuff relying more on hydrogen.

Batteries as Chris said above haven’t moved on in technology terms for years.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney


"Future electric vehicles will probably adopt a 2 speed geartrain.

drive shaft or stepped motor?

read above. "

i did. it's a different subject and so it doesn't answer the question i asked the other chap. but thanks anyway

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham


"Future electric vehicles will probably adopt a 2 speed geartrain.

drive shaft or stepped motor?"

One has nothing to do with the other, please clarify the question and I will give you my expertise

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Future electric vehicles will probably adopt a 2 speed geartrain. "

Well both Tesla and Toyota electric and hybrid engine stuff was deliberately open sourced by the manufacturers so others can use it themselves on the condition the would in effect pass on any electric engine technology forward... that why they have bits or are open about using others ideas

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

A two speed gearbox in an EV, could well allow smaller motors to be fitted.

I suppose that manufacturers will be evaluating cost and performance issues, should they go down this road.

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

With many places announcing future bans on petrol and diesel cars going electric is a necessity. As batteries get better all the time there is a decent chance cars will stick to electric and larger vehicles move to hydrogen in the medium term anyway. Read on one of the posts on this thread about 30 kw batteries. That's about 10 years out of date. Nissan are moving battery production from Japan to the UK.

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By *e CapCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

My question regarding the ev is where from are we getting the extra energy needed to power so many vehicles? I will not be surprised if we need like 50% more than we need at the moment. And on top of that all energy needs to be green. Another question is how the actual energy grid is going to cope?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"The Tesla factory and its ecosystem will make in one year for Germany than what fishing will take 50 years to make for the UK.

Originally Telsa was going to invest in the UK however the advent of leaving the EU made them rethink - hence the move to Germany.

But, is this really a long term loss for the UK?

Batteries for cars need precious metals mined (currently) in Africa where children are used to work the mines.

Does the UK really want to get involved with child labour and the manufacturing of batteries for electric cars?

Leaving the clutches of the evil EU may have cost the UK dearly but there is are also principles to consider.

The British have always been very principled and this perhaps is an excellent example where we simply say NO to the manufacturing of electric vehicles on our soil.

The Nissan factory in Sunderland is an obvious exception as it is beneficial and necessary.

We knew what we voted for and we did not want Telsa's dirty money.

We won - get over it"

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney


"My question regarding the ev is where from are we getting the extra energy needed to power so many vehicles? I will not be surprised if we need like 50% more than we need at the moment. And on top of that all energy needs to be green. Another question is how the actual energy grid is going to cope? "

electricity consumption has dropped by 10% over the last decade and the reduced consumption continues to gather pace as it drops going forward.

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham


"My question regarding the ev is where from are we getting the extra energy needed to power so many vehicles? I will not be surprised if we need like 50% more than we need at the moment. And on top of that all energy needs to be green. Another question is how the actual energy grid is going to cope? "

Compared to the rapid expansion of petrol stations (100 years ago you went to the local chemist to get a pint of petrol), and the big infrastructure required for hydrogen, electricity generation and distribution is a piece of cake.

We are already seeing new charging stations being keen to use local microgeneration solutions. Home charging patterns are similar to just plugging your phone in overnight, steady relatively small and predictable current draws.

Wind and solar costs continue to decline dramatically. The huge policy error successive governments have made is over regulation of the nuclear sector.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"My question regarding the ev is where from are we getting the extra energy needed to power so many vehicles? I will not be surprised if we need like 50% more than we need at the moment. And on top of that all energy needs to be green. Another question is how the actual energy grid is going to cope?

electricity consumption has dropped by 10% over the last decade and the reduced consumption continues to gather pace as it drops going forward. "

10% in the UK or 10% globally?

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