FabSwingers.com forum: Trump Impeachment part 2

By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

Raskin outplayed them and Trumps lawyers played themselves by not answering very specific questions yesterday.

The republicans can now only threaten to slow down the work of the senate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Raskin outplayed them and Trumps lawyers played themselves by not answering very specific questions yesterday.

The republicans can now only threaten to slow down the work of the senate. "

Witnesses take awhile. Any legislation not passed is still on the Democrats for starting the trial even before relief for the American people. So let there be witnesses.

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

"Raskin outplayed them and Trumps lawyers played themselves by not answering very specific questions yesterday.

The republicans can now only threaten to slow down the work of the senate.

Witnesses take awhile. Any legislation not passed is still on the Democrats for starting the trial even before relief for the American people. So let there be witnesses."

It's not going to work like that. This is reality, Bowser, Pelosi or Hunter Biden's laptop doesn't come into the picture. As much as Graham and Cruz would be prepared to drag this out to impede President Bidens agenda, that's no going to happen. The questions are the same as what Nixon faced. What did the President know and when did he know it.

The republicans benefit from turning it into a circus. The democrats want the republicans to acquit and own it in the full knowledge of Trumps actions that day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Raskin outplayed them and Trumps lawyers played themselves by not answering very specific questions yesterday.

The republicans can now only threaten to slow down the work of the senate.

Witnesses take awhile. Any legislation not passed is still on the Democrats for starting the trial even before relief for the American people. So let there be witnesses.

The republicans benefit from turning it into a circus. The democrats want the republicans to acquit and own it in the full knowledge of Trumps actions that day."

Let it be a circus then let's see how deep the knowledge of what transpired goes. Then you wonder why it is rushed in the first place. Investigation and witnesses to everything. It applies. Due process. I am all for conviction if everything is heard and brought out into the open. Let's open this pandora's box.

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

"Raskin outplayed them and Trumps lawyers played themselves by not answering very specific questions yesterday.

The republicans can now only threaten to slow down the work of the senate.

Witnesses take awhile. Any legislation not passed is still on the Democrats for starting the trial even before relief for the American people. So let there be witnesses.

The republicans benefit from turning it into a circus. The democrats want the republicans to acquit and own it in the full knowledge of Trumps actions that day.

I'd prefer competent government, I know obstruction is the republican way but I'm enjoying adults being back in charge. Trumps call has been entered into the record without objection, this means that Trump knew what the mob was doing and identified with the mob. Now when the republicans acquit they have to own this. Nancy is going to hold their feet to the fire over this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't want Trump's aquittal if it takes his conviction to show the people everything I am all for it.

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

"I don't want Trump's aquittal if it takes his conviction to show the people everything I am all for it."

Trump's conviction was never on the table. The admission of this evidence means the Republicans are acquitting in full knowledge that Trump knew exactly what was happening and he supported it. Before this evidence the Republican could use a procedural excuse to acquit, that excuse just got a whole lot thinner and transparent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't want Trump's aquittal if it takes his conviction to show the people everything I am all for it.

You can take Trump and throw him under the Biden bus that was almost was ran off the road I'll give you Trump. Implications of others involved is so much better. Notice Mitch is keeping his stance on aquittal. Lets get the witnesses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aww look they walked back on the witnesses. Looks like aquittal.

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By *ammisuxTV/TS
over a year ago

Uxbridge

It was always going to be aqquital.

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

"Aww look they walked back on the witnesses. Looks like aquittal."

I'll just repost my last comment

"Trump's conviction was never on the table. The admission of this evidence means the Republicans are acquitting in full knowledge that Trump knew exactly what was happening and he supported it. Before this evidence the Republican could use a procedural excuse to acquit, that excuse just got a whole lot thinner and transparent"

This means the Republicans are going to acquit Trump in the knowledge that he sent a mob to kill them. Let that sink in.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"Aww look they walked back on the witnesses. Looks like aquittal.

I'll just repost my last comment

This means the Republicans are going to acquit Trump in the knowledge that he sent a mob to kill them. Let that sink in."

Just goes to show just how fucked up the USA is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aww look they walked back on the witnesses. Looks like aquittal.

I'll just repost my last comment

This means the Republicans are going to acquit Trump in the knowledge that he sent a mob to kill them. Let that sink in."

And them backtracking on witnesses knowing the implications Let that sink in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aww look they walked back on the witnesses. Looks like aquittal.

I'll just repost my last comment

This means the Republicans are going to acquit Trump in the knowledge that he sent a mob to kill them. Let that sink in."

Hahahahahaahahahaha

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

"Aww look they walked back on the witnesses. Looks like aquittal.

I'll just repost my last comment

This means the Republicans are going to acquit Trump in the knowledge that he sent a mob to kill them. Let that sink in.

And them backtracking on witnesses knowing the implications Let that sink in. "

Take your time with next part. Trumps lawyers accepted a statement into the record that Trump had full knowledge and approval of what the mob was sent there to do and was doing. By entering that into the record Raskin removed the defence that they couldn't know what Trump's intent that day was.

The alternative was spelled out by Joni Earnst who

"warned that they would block any efforts to approve nominations to the Biden administration or pandemic relief legislation should the trial continue.

“If they want to drag this out, we’ll drag it out,” said Senator Joni Ernst, Republican of Iowa. “They won’t get their noms, they won’t get anything.” "

After the vote on whether the trial was constitutional was supported by 44 republican senators, conviction was never an option. Now Raskin is going to make the GOP own Trumps seditious conduct and inciting insurrection. It won't deter the guns and god supporters but it is going to deter moderate republican supporters.

Now Biden will be free to pursue his agenda, perfect is the enemy of good. This is good.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS
over a year ago

Belpre

Pelosi knew he wouldn't be convicted when she had him impeached. She just wanted him to have 2 impeachments for a one term lame duck who lost in a landslide fair election.

Pelosi wanted to put the republican senators on the record showing they supported an insurrectionist pretend president.

Pelosi may be getting old, but she's wiser than most of the democrats when it comes to politics, and all the republicans, and they know it.

Pelosi knew this action would ruin trumps chances to ever hold office again, and she knew it would hurt all the politicians that were stupid enough to follow trumps dictator minded nonsense. It's embarrassing just watching some these trump worshipping idiot politicians that should be smart enough to know better, but I guess they lost their minds by not using them for 4 years. The good republicans politicians need to distance themselves from those idiot trump following politicians.

Pelosi also knew all of this would put a lasting

nail in trumps coffin when it comes to his

historical legacy as the worst president of the

United States of America.

The Huge trump swamp, that he created himself

over 4 years, is being drained away quickly by

leaders that have some sense of morals.

Our government might not be perfect, but it's light years better without the likes of that idiot trump, and his ass kissing worshippers that enabled his nonsense to go on for 4 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pelosi knew he wouldn't be convicted when she had him impeached. She just wanted him to have 2 impeachments for a one term lame duck who lost in a landslide fair election.

Pelosi wanted to put the republican senators on the record showing they supported an insurrectionist pretend president.

Pelosi may be getting old, but she's wiser than most of the democrats when it comes to politics, and all the republicans, and they know it.

Pelosi also knew all of this would put a lasting

nail in trumps coffin when it comes to his

historical legacy as the worst president of the

United States of America.

The Huge trump swamp, that he created himself

over 4 years, is being drained away quickly by

leaders that have some sense of morals.

Our government might not be perfect, but it's light years better without the likes of that idiot trump, and his ass kissing worshippers that enabled his nonsense to go on for 4 years.

It was always political. They knew the republicans wouldn't convict him. It's just about highlighting their lack of integrity.

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

"Pelosi knew he wouldn't be convicted when she had him impeached. She just wanted him to have 2 impeachments for a one term lame duck who lost in a landslide fair election.

Pelosi wanted to put the republican senators on the record showing they supported an insurrectionist pretend president.

Pelosi may be getting old, but she's wiser than most of the democrats when it comes to politics, and all the republicans, and they know it.

Pelosi also knew all of this would put a lasting

nail in trumps coffin when it comes to his

historical legacy as the worst president of the

United States of America.

The Huge trump swamp, that he created himself

over 4 years, is being drained away quickly by

leaders that have some sense of morals.

Our government might not be perfect, but it's light years better without the likes of that idiot trump, and his ass kissing worshippers that enabled his nonsense to go on for 4 years.

It was always political. They knew the republicans wouldn't convict him. It's just about highlighting their lack of integrity. "

7 republicans vote to convict, that's 3 more than I expected.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I am surprised burr voted to convict... Cassidy was a waiver.. the ones I am disappointed at is Portman ... I think as soon as it was known McConnell was going to be a no it closed the door on the moderates

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now let's go after Cuomo

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Ha ha. What a farce.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Why is McConnell now laying into trump by basically giving the house managers closing arguement... and then not having the spine to vote guilty!

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

"Why is McConnell now laying into trump by basically giving the house managers closing arguement... and then not having the spine to vote guilty!"

On the grounds the Senate didn't have the authority to convict.

However eloquent or articulate his argument is, remember Mitch said he wouldn't hold impeachment hearings before Jan 20.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Aww look they walked back on the witnesses. Looks like aquittal.

I'll just repost my last comment

This means the Republicans are going to acquit Trump in the knowledge that he sent a mob to kill them. Let that sink in."

All seemingly believe that lying about a blowjob is more worthy of conviction than rousing a mob into action against the State.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Justice have been done, trump won

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Staggering

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

McConnell has made it clear he wants Trump removed from the stage but he wants someone else to do it, he doesn't want open civil war in the GOP.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

What did you all expect there was no way he was going to be found guilty even though he was guilty the republicans will not hang in.

The democrats have made fools of themselves by the whole process

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"What did you all expect there was no way he was going to be found guilty even though he was guilty the republicans will not hang in.

The democrats have made fools of themselves by the whole process"
Yes. I also thought the same, there wasnt anything that he had done

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

Heard a reporter yesterday saying, they dare not vote against trump, really, how do they know what they would or wouldnt dare? Bias?

He says I gamble his money every week

I say I buy one lottery ticket weekly!

Who lies best? It's the new game!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now we can get back to getting the stimulus passed. That matters more then a trial that had no chance of a conviction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Justice have been done, trump won

What's "justice" got to do with anything?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"What did you all expect there was no way he was going to be found guilty even though he was guilty the republicans will not hang in.

The democrats have made fools of themselves by the whole processYes. I also thought the same, there wasnt anything that he had done

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I disagree he was as guilty as hell and should be in prison for life but the republicans where never going to find him guilty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Justice have been done, trump won

He ‘won’ nothing, that was his final act, politically he is finished

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

Trump is far from in the clear, he still faces investigation for interfering in the election results in Georgia

When Merrick Garland takes charge of the DoJ investigations, individuals associated with trump will have cause to be worried. Roger Stone will not be pardoned again.

The hypocrisy to talk about cancel culture is galling given than Trump made repeated attempts to cancel the votes from predominately black areas.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Staggering "

Oh you asked about which dems used inflammatory language and rhetoric. If what Trump said was incitement then so was what has been said by certain dems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1Rwlztapg

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Staggering

Oh you asked about which dems used inflammatory language and rhetoric. If what Trump said was incitement then so was what has been said by certain dems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1Rwlztapg

Whataboutery , trump was never going to be found guilty but he is politically finished, the works has seen what a pathetic, lying loser he is

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Staggering

Oh you asked about which dems used inflammatory language and rhetoric. If what Trump said was incitement then so was what has been said by certain dems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1Rwlztapg

I'm assuming that wasnt followed by a violent insurrection where they tried to topple the gmnt?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Staggering

Oh you asked about which dems used inflammatory language and rhetoric. If what Trump said was incitement then so was what has been said by certain dems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1Rwlztapg

I'm assuming that wasnt followed by a violent insurrection where they tried to topple the gmnt?"

You will get more drama aquittal might spark riots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Staggering

Oh you asked about which dems used inflammatory language and rhetoric. If what Trump said was incitement then so was what has been said by certain dems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1Rwlztapg

Whataboutery , trump was never going to be found guilty but he is politically finished, the works has seen what a pathetic, lying loser he is "

Whataboutery..

Jesus christ...

Calling out when something has been done by the other side while trying to convict somone of the same behaviour is Whataboutery now is it

ok you think that, just shows you are not adult or bi partisan enough to really have a conversation about it tbh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Staggering

Oh you asked about which dems used inflammatory language and rhetoric. If what Trump said was incitement then so was what has been said by certain dems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1Rwlztapg

I'm assuming that wasnt followed by a violent insurrection where they tried to topple the gmnt?"

Again i give you the example of rep Scalise and other staffers that were shot at a basball game in 2017 by a left wing activist that was spurred on by rhetoric from the Dems and mainly Bernie Sanders

Do you think Bernie Sanders should of been convicted for incitement?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If anyone thinks trump is finished or that the millions that support him or would simply just vote for him in the next election because they can't be fucked with the two parties won't do just that, then you're extremely short sighted. There's a lot of short sightedness in politics. How many people thought trump would never become president? How many people thought brexit wouldn't happen? How many people fought, lied, protested over both those events? Trump has millions upon millions of supporters and potentially the opportunity to run and be voted back in just to get rid of Biden, especially if he does a shitty job lol, who believe that dodginess went on with the last election,oh and next time no pandemic to affect anything... He also has a lot of planning and prep time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Staggering

Oh you asked about which dems used inflammatory language and rhetoric. If what Trump said was incitement then so was what has been said by certain dems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1Rwlztapg

I'm assuming that wasnt followed by a violent insurrection where they tried to topple the gmnt?"

Plus you quite easily say what happened at the Portland Federal Court was a violent insurrection trying to topple part of the goverment also

Which many Dems cheered on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Staggering

Oh you asked about which dems used inflammatory language and rhetoric. If what Trump said was incitement then so was what has been said by certain dems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1Rwlztapg

Whataboutery , trump was never going to be found guilty but he is politically finished, the works has seen what a pathetic, lying loser he is

Whataboutery..

Jesus christ...

Calling out when something has been done by the other side while trying to convict somone of the same behaviour is Whataboutery now is it

ok you think that, just shows you are not adult or bi partisan enough to really have a conversation about it tbh"

2 wrongs don’t make a right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If anyone thinks trump is finished or that the millions that support him or would simply just vote for him in the next election because they can't be fucked with the two parties won't do just that, then you're extremely short sighted. There's a lot of short sightedness in politics. How many people thought trump would never become president? How many people thought brexit wouldn't happen? How many people fought, lied, protested over both those events? Trump has millions upon millions of supporters and potentially the opportunity to run and be voted back in just to get rid of Biden, especially if he does a shitty job lol, who believe that dodginess went on with the last election,oh and next time no pandemic to affect anything... He also has a lot of planning and prep time. "

He is finished, Trumps ‘supporters ‘ will just back the next popular Republican that comes their way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Staggering

Oh you asked about which dems used inflammatory language and rhetoric. If what Trump said was incitement then so was what has been said by certain dems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1Rwlztapg

Whataboutery , trump was never going to be found guilty but he is politically finished, the works has seen what a pathetic, lying loser he is

Whataboutery..

Jesus christ...

Calling out when something has been done by the other side while trying to convict somone of the same behaviour is Whataboutery now is it

ok you think that, just shows you are not adult or bi partisan enough to really have a conversation about it tbh

2 wrongs don’t make a right "

So you then you agree that if what Trump has said is incitement then so is what people like Pelosi and Warren have said is also?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is finished, Trumps ‘supporters ‘ will just back the next popular Republican that comes their way. "

You actually think that? Seeing as the Republican Party has bled members since loosing the vote i very much doubt that. If he started a new Party he would get nearly as much support

They followed Trump because of his personality and politics nothing more

He wasn't even a real republican to begin with, the guy went where he could get a ticket thats all, thats why half of the perty didn't even like him to begin with.

Lets not forget he probaly only even tried to run for President too stick two fingers up at Obmama for the comments made at a dinner speech in i think 2014ish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is finished, Trumps ‘supporters ‘ will just back the next popular Republican that comes their way. "

That's the problem really. He's set a new low bar for how abhorrent and moronic a potential president can be.

Whose next, Alex Jones, Ronald McDonald, Richard Spenser, David Duke?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is finished, Trumps ‘supporters ‘ will just back the next popular Republican that comes their way. "

Yeah right, they see traditional republicans as traitors. They don't want a politician, they don't want someone who will bite their tongue. The republican need someone with all the brashness of trump and political experience. Both things that trump now has I should point out. He has the possible opportunity to pull in disenfranchised dem and republican voters dependent on bidens supporters and his own supporters. To count him out is foolish as fuck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is finished, Trumps ‘supporters ‘ will just back the next popular Republican that comes their way.

You actually think that? Seeing as the Republican Party has bled members since loosing the vote i very much doubt that. If he started a new Party he would get nearly as much support

They followed Trump because of his personality and politics nothing more

He wasn't even a real republican to begin with, the guy went where he could get a ticket thats all, thats why half of the perty didn't even like him to begin with.

Lets not forget he probaly only even tried to run for President too stick two fingers up at Obmama for the comments made at a dinner speech in i think 2014ish"

He said he originally joined the race to be the republican nominee to promote brand Trump.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS
over a year ago

Belpre

Conviction was never the goal for Pelosi. Even if they had convicted trump in the Senate, it cared no penalty, he is already out of office, so he can't be removed from office.

Pelosi knows she ruined trumps chances of ever being elected again. And, she hurt the republican politicians who sided with trump.

That was her goal, and she achieved it.

Now trump knows his political career is all over, no matter what he says and does, he lost it all.

Pelosi won lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is finished, Trumps ‘supporters ‘ will just back the next popular Republican that comes their way.

You actually think that? Seeing as the Republican Party has bled members since loosing the vote i very much doubt that. If he started a new Party he would get nearly as much support

They followed Trump because of his personality and politics nothing more

He wasn't even a real republican to begin with, the guy went where he could get a ticket thats all, thats why half of the perty didn't even like him to begin with.

Lets not forget he probaly only even tried to run for President too stick two fingers up at Obmama for the comments made at a dinner speech in i think 2014ish

He said he originally joined the race to be the republican nominee to promote brand Trump. "

Because he left the democratic party, you really think the dems would of let him run against Hillary?

Look at what they did to Bernie Sanders for an example

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is finished, Trumps ‘supporters ‘ will just back the next popular Republican that comes their way.

He is finished.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Conviction was never the goal for Pelosi. Even if they had convicted trump in the Senate, it cared no penalty, he is already out of office, so he can't be removed from office.

Pelosi knows she ruined trumps chances of ever being elected again. And, she hurt the republican politicians who sided with trump.

That was her goal, and she achieved it.

Now trump knows his political career is all over, no matter what he says and does, he lost it all.

Pelosi won lol.

And made themselves look like hypcritical fools in the process. It was a political tactic to try and stop there biggest adversary from running again in the next election

Its what we call here in the UK an "Own Goal"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Conviction was never the goal for Pelosi. Even if they had convicted trump in the Senate, it cared no penalty, he is already out of office, so he can't be removed from office.

Pelosi knows she ruined trumps chances of ever being elected again. And, she hurt the republican politicians who sided with trump.

That was her goal, and she achieved it.

Now trump knows his political career is all over, no matter what he says and does, he lost it all.

Pelosi won lol.

And made themselves look like hypcritical fools in the process. It was a political tactic to try and stop there biggest adversary from running again in the next election

Its what we call here in the UK an "Own Goal""

He will never run for President again, your guy lost, it’s over, he is finished

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is finished, Trumps ‘supporters ‘ will just back the next popular Republican that comes their way.

You actually think that? Seeing as the Republican Party has bled members since loosing the vote i very much doubt that. If he started a new Party he would get nearly as much support

They followed Trump because of his personality and politics nothing more

He wasn't even a real republican to begin with, the guy went where he could get a ticket thats all, thats why half of the perty didn't even like him to begin with.

Lets not forget he probaly only even tried to run for President too stick two fingers up at Obmama for the comments made at a dinner speech in i think 2014ish

He said he originally joined the race to be the republican nominee to promote brand Trump.

Because he left the democratic party, you really think the dems would of let him run against Hillary?

Look at what they did to Bernie Sanders for an example"

I don't understand the Hillary question. He did run against her last time around.

Yeah they hung Sanders out to dry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Conviction was never the goal for Pelosi. Even if they had convicted trump in the Senate, it cared no penalty, he is already out of office, so he can't be removed from office.

Pelosi knows she ruined trumps chances of ever being elected again. And, she hurt the republican politicians who sided with trump.

That was her goal, and she achieved it.

Now trump knows his political career is all over, no matter what he says and does, he lost it all.

Pelosi won lol.

And made themselves look like hypcritical fools in the process. It was a political tactic to try and stop there biggest adversary from running again in the next election

Its what we call here in the UK an "Own Goal"

He will never run for President again, your guy lost, it’s over, he is finished "

Trump is finished.

Moderate Republicans might be dismayed that their party have no integrity (although why anyone is surprised by that is beyond me).

But the door is open for the next far right moron to have a pop at being president.

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over a year ago

"Conviction was never the goal for Pelosi. Even if they had convicted trump in the Senate, it cared no penalty, he is already out of office, so he can't be removed from office.

Pelosi knows she ruined trumps chances of ever being elected again. And, she hurt the republican politicians who sided with trump.

That was her goal, and she achieved it.

Now trump knows his political career is all over, no matter what he says and does, he lost it all.

Pelosi won lol.

And made themselves look like hypcritical fools in the process. It was a political tactic to try and stop there biggest adversary from running again in the next election

Its what we call here in the UK an "Own Goal"

He will never run for President again, your guy lost, it’s over, he is finished "

Not my guy..but thanks

Actually i'll be honest I would of voted for him myself, best of two bad choices for me. The Us needs a larger 3rd party competition in reality

But thats mainly because im against Identity politics and which large parts of the Dem Party peddle, plus their cosying up to crictical race theory grifters

And im saying that as a pretty centerist economically and left on social issues LGBT person, how do you think "normal" conseratives feel about stuff like that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Conviction was never the goal for Pelosi. Even if they had convicted trump in the Senate, it cared no penalty, he is already out of office, so he can't be removed from office.

Pelosi knows she ruined trumps chances of ever being elected again. And, she hurt the republican politicians who sided with trump.

That was her goal, and she achieved it.

Now trump knows his political career is all over, no matter what he says and does, he lost it all.

Pelosi won lol.

And made themselves look like hypcritical fools in the process. It was a political tactic to try and stop there biggest adversary from running again in the next election

Its what we call here in the UK an "Own Goal"

He will never run for President again, your guy lost, it’s over, he is finished

Not my guy..but thanks

Actually i'll be honest I would of voted for him myself, best of two bad choices for me. The Us needs a larger 3rd party competition in reality

But thats mainly because im against Identity politics and which large parts of the Dem Party peddle, plus their cosying up to crictical race theory grifters

And im saying that as a pretty centerist economically and left on social issues LGBT person, how do you think "normal" conseratives feel about stuff like that"

Trump is all about identity politics. That's 100% his thing. White Straight Rich Americans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is finished, Trumps ‘supporters ‘ will just back the next popular Republican that comes their way.

You actually think that? Seeing as the Republican Party has bled members since loosing the vote i very much doubt that. If he started a new Party he would get nearly as much support

They followed Trump because of his personality and politics nothing more

He wasn't even a real republican to begin with, the guy went where he could get a ticket thats all, thats why half of the perty didn't even like him to begin with.

Lets not forget he probaly only even tried to run for President too stick two fingers up at Obmama for the comments made at a dinner speech in i think 2014ish

He said he originally joined the race to be the republican nominee to promote brand Trump.

Because he left the democratic party, you really think the dems would of let him run against Hillary?

Look at what they did to Bernie Sanders for an example

I don't understand the Hillary question. He did run against her last time around.

Yeah they hung Sanders out to dry. "

They would not of let Trump and Hillary both run under a democrat party ticket in the primaries.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Justice have been done, trump won

He ‘won’ nothing, that was his final act, politically he is finished "
I dont think he is, he will start his own party now too

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Staggering

Oh you asked about which dems used inflammatory language and rhetoric. If what Trump said was incitement then so was what has been said by certain dems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1Rwlztapg

I'm assuming that wasnt followed by a violent insurrection where they tried to topple the gmnt?

Again i give you the example of rep Scalise and other staffers that were shot at a basball game in 2017 by a left wing activist that was spurred on by rhetoric from the Dems and mainly Bernie Sanders

Do you think Bernie Sanders should of been convicted for incitement?"

From what I gather, a line gmnt tried to shoot Scalise.

Whereas 100s of people tried to potentially overthrow the gmnt and subvert the election

Slightly different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Justice have been done, trump won

He ‘won’ nothing, that was his final act, politically he is finished I dont think he is, he will start his own party now too

And split the Republican Party, shrewd

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Now we can get back to getting the stimulus passed. That matters more then a trial that had no chance of a conviction."
That is right and I like it how trump said "this is just the start"

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over a year ago

"Staggering

Oh you asked about which dems used inflammatory language and rhetoric. If what Trump said was incitement then so was what has been said by certain dems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1Rwlztapg

I'm assuming that wasnt followed by a violent insurrection where they tried to topple the gmnt?

Again i give you the example of rep Scalise and other staffers that were shot at a basball game in 2017 by a left wing activist that was spurred on by rhetoric from the Dems and mainly Bernie Sanders

Do you think Bernie Sanders should of been convicted for incitement?

From what I gather, a line gmnt tried to shoot Scalise.

Whereas 100s of people tried to potentially overthrow the gmnt and subvert the election

Slightly different "

So its ok if its a lone gunman that does it?

Thats essentially what you are saying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Justice have been done, trump won

He ‘won’ nothing, that was his final act, politically he is finished I dont think he is, he will start his own party now too

And split the Republican Party, shrewd "

Did he break the norm. Yes he did he made people realize other options that can be created. Did he shake up the establishment and status quo. Yes again by other people's reactions. Take it as any way you want it needed to be done. Options. Like when we pulled away from monarchs. The people deserve better and it is not democrat or Republican. So if you can't see the system is fallible and change needs to be enacted on more of a centric basis we all doomed.

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over a year ago

"Justice have been done, trump won

He ‘won’ nothing, that was his final act, politically he is finished I dont think he is, he will start his own party now too

And split the Republican Party, shrewd

I hope he does create a new ‘party’ he is unintentionally comedy gold , he will never get anywhere near being president again so it will be pointless .

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By *illi3736Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

This is gold for the Democrats....The Republicans are going to be beaten with the shitty Trump stick from now on. The party of Law and Order rode roughshod over almost everything they Used to stand for. They had a chance to distance themselves from the cretinous behaviour some displayed but stupidly failed not only themselves but ultimately the USA.

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over a year ago

He is finished, Trumps ‘supporters ‘ will just back the next popular Republican that comes their way.

You actually think that? Seeing as the Republican Party has bled members since loosing the vote i very much doubt that. If he started a new Party he would get nearly as much support

They followed Trump because of his personality and politics nothing more

He wasn't even a real republican to begin with, the guy went where he could get a ticket thats all, thats why half of the perty didn't even like him to begin with.

Lets not forget he probaly only even tried to run for President too stick two fingers up at Obmama for the comments made at a dinner speech in i think 2014ish

He said he originally joined the race to be the republican nominee to promote brand Trump.

Because he left the democratic party, you really think the dems would of let him run against Hillary?

Look at what they did to Bernie Sanders for an example

I don't understand the Hillary question. He did run against her last time around.

Yeah they hung Sanders out to dry.

They would not of let Trump and Hillary both run under a democrat party ticket in the primaries. "

Oh I see why you're saying.

Do you really think the democrats would have had any interest in having trump as their presidential candidate?

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over a year ago

"Now we can get back to getting the stimulus passed. That matters more then a trial that had no chance of a conviction.That is right and I like it how trump said "this is just the start"

Do that many people still listen to trump now he's moved off Twitter and onto Stormfront etc?

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By *illi3736Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Yesterdays man howling in the wind...He will be up to his neck in legal matters for a couple of years yet...A grifter and bully who has been found out as lacking even the basic skills needed to be President. Such a a shame as it has been wasted years and so many died owing to his stupidty.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Good morning everybody

Tucker 2024 anyone?

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By *illi3736Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Yes let the Republicans make up a list of people as cretinous as Trump...Tucker Hannity Hawley,Cruz........Wow that is some list of arseholes to get onto one shortlist...Oh god can the USA sink any lower....a country we used to admire and found common ground with has alienated itself over the last 4 years.Biden has a massive job on his hands. One advantage is his age...He knows he is a one term man...so no need to politic just get on with repairing the country

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"Yes let the Republicans make up a list of people as cretinous as Trump...Tucker Hannity Hawley,Cruz........Wow that is some list of arseholes to get onto one shortlist...Oh god can the USA sink any lower....a country we used to admire and found common ground with has alienated itself over the last 4 years.Biden has a massive job on his hands. One advantage is his age...He knows he is a one term man...so no need to politic just get on with repairing the country"

And his started by trying and failing to impeach last president, that hasn't healed the country! Just helped divide it!

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 14/02/21 11:04:07]"

Trump will be dead , bankrupt or in prison by 2024, he is no longer politically relevant

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Trump have opened pandoras box

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trump have opened pandoras box

I don't think he can entirely be blamed for the rise of the far right conspiracy theorist culture in the states.

He's more of a symptom than a cause.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"[Removed by poster at 14/02/21 11:04:07]

Trump will be dead , bankrupt or in prison by 2024, he is no longer politically relevant "
I typed it wrong there, it should of been "trump have opened pandoras box"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is finished, Trumps ‘supporters ‘ will just back the next popular Republican that comes their way.

You actually think that? Seeing as the Republican Party has bled members since loosing the vote i very much doubt that. If he started a new Party he would get nearly as much support

They followed Trump because of his personality and politics nothing more

He wasn't even a real republican to begin with, the guy went where he could get a ticket thats all, thats why half of the perty didn't even like him to begin with.

Lets not forget he probaly only even tried to run for President too stick two fingers up at Obmama for the comments made at a dinner speech in i think 2014ish

He said he originally joined the race to be the republican nominee to promote brand Trump.

Because he left the democratic party, you really think the dems would of let him run against Hillary?

Look at what they did to Bernie Sanders for an example

I don't understand the Hillary question. He did run against her last time around.

Yeah they hung Sanders out to dry.

They would not of let Trump and Hillary both run under a democrat party ticket in the primaries.

Oh I see why you're saying.

Do you really think the democrats would have had any interest in having trump as their presidential candidate?"

No, which is why he ran as a Republican

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over a year ago

"This is gold for the Democrats....The Republicans are going to be beaten with the shitty Trump stick from now on. The party of Law and Order rode roughshod over almost everything they Used to stand for. They had a chance to distance themselves from the cretinous behaviour some displayed but stupidly failed not only themselves but ultimately the USA.

The same Democrats that just tried to use doctored evidence in a trial yeah?

The same ones that pandered to left for votes then has left them hanging dry?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Staggering

Oh you asked about which dems used inflammatory language and rhetoric. If what Trump said was incitement then so was what has been said by certain dems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1Rwlztapg

I'm assuming that wasnt followed by a violent insurrection where they tried to topple the gmnt?

Again i give you the example of rep Scalise and other staffers that were shot at a basball game in 2017 by a left wing activist that was spurred on by rhetoric from the Dems and mainly Bernie Sanders

Do you think Bernie Sanders should of been convicted for incitement?

From what I gather, a line gmnt tried to shoot Scalise.

Whereas 100s of people tried to potentially overthrow the gmnt and subvert the election

Slightly different

So its ok if its a lone gunman that does it?

Thats essentially what you are saying "

No it's not what I am saying

You have just made that up yourself.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Even allowing for yesterday, trump is toast.

Apart from his numerous other problems ,he will forever be associated with inbred redneck simpletons storming the capital and will be a total liability.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Even allowing for yesterday, trump is toast.

Apart from his numerous other problems ,he will forever be associated with inbred redneck simpletons storming the capital and will be a total liability. "

Yeah but how long before the next celebrity conspiracy theorist gets voted in?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trump can go but the message of Americans first is still engrained. The trial did not sway that message. If a candidate runs on that message they will retain that vote. Joe manchin everyone I know can get behind. If that man ran on a separate ticket he would pull alot of sway from both sides .

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over a year ago

"Trump can go but the message of Americans first is still engrained. The trial did not sway that message. If a candidate runs on that message they will retain that vote. Joe manchin everyone I know can get behind. If that man ran on a separate ticket he would pull alot of sway from both sides ."

We had ‘Britain first’ over here, it didn’t work out very well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you not think that Trump's actions as president, putting American people at the bottom of the pile after himself, his pals, and big business, like the fossils fuels industry. Meanwhile sending his lawyers to court, during the worst pandemic in living memory, to take away healthcare from millions of the poorest Americans. Or giving himself and other rich Americans tax breaks. Do you think that the slogan "America first" has been tarnished by his utter disregard for normal Americans?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not where I live the aquittal was a victory not shame it is very much alive. People looking at it if they don't want to address the riots over the summer there is no difference. I will send a link of local radio tomorrow. His message is very much alive.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Also 87% of the democrats gives trump the thumb up too

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over a year ago

No I believe you that his supporters still support him no matter how self service he is and how badly he fucks them over.

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over a year ago

"Also 87% of the democrats gives trump the thumb up too

No they don’t

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

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over a year ago

"Also 87% of the democrats gives trump the thumb up too

Huh?

80% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ? "

Energy independent quit giving money to other countries. Stay off the world stage. No more wars.

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

Energy independent quit giving money to other countries. Stay off the world stage. No more wars."

There is no way that America will ‘stay off the world stage’ , if they did ,would you be happy to see the arms budget cut drastically and spent elsewhere?

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

Energy independent quit giving money to other countries. Stay off the world stage. No more wars.

There is no way that America will ‘stay off the world stage’ , if they did ,would you be happy to see the arms budget cut drastically and spent elsewhere? "

Yes why not? Pull back troops from every nation. Isn't it a form of imperialism being there in the first place ? Operational cost to keep troops in other countries are staggering.

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

Energy independent quit giving money to other countries. Stay off the world stage. No more wars.

There is no way that America will ‘stay off the world stage’ , if they did ,would you be happy to see the arms budget cut drastically and spent elsewhere?

Yes why not? Pull back troops from every nation. Isn't it a form of imperialism being there in the first place ? Operational cost to keep troops in other countries are staggering."

We get blamed so much for the world's problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

Energy independent quit giving money to other countries. Stay off the world stage. No more wars.

There is no way that America will ‘stay off the world stage’ , if they did ,would you be happy to see the arms budget cut drastically and spent elsewhere?

Yes why not? Pull back troops from every nation. Isn't it a form of imperialism being there in the first place ? Operational cost to keep troops in other countries are staggering."

I agree,

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

Energy independent quit giving money to other countries. Stay off the world stage. No more wars.

There is no way that America will ‘stay off the world stage’ , if they did ,would you be happy to see the arms budget cut drastically and spent elsewhere?

Yes why not? Pull back troops from every nation. Isn't it a form of imperialism being there in the first place ? Operational cost to keep troops in other countries are staggering."

They would just use contractors instead. Minimal liability, lower operating costs and still able to exert pressure on foreign powers without committing national forces to a protracted operation. Don’t think that just because Trumps administration didn’t start any new wars or that they pulled troops out of the Middle East there still wasn’t a footprint there from the private sector. Smoke and mirrors again!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We get yelled at and degraded for building a pipeline. Yet China's belt and road initiatives are still going ahead unempeded. Where is the outrage for that ? A Taliban pipeline ect ect ect. Paris climate agreement that has 0 enforcement is a paper tiger.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/newt-gingrich-joe-biden-trumpism-asset-elites

Pretty much nailed the question why.

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ? "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

Nativism, isolationism and nationalsim. It's not a new phenomenon, In the 19th century they called themselves the Know Nothings, prior to WW2 it was the America First Committee. Then we saw Trump withdrawing from the TPP, threatening to do so with NATO, and so on.

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

Nothing wrong with taking care of your own. The world does not need the US meddling in their affairs anymore. Pretty much everyone on here thinks ok for Chinese expansion. I say fall back and protect the mainland. Quit trying to counter the threat. If the world wants china so be it. Then you wonder why the majority of trump supporters were x military. it's time to stop the "American imperialism".Let China have a crack at it since people around the globe "thinks" it is the best alternative.

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The UK did exactly that same policy. Take care of your own. Stop expansion isolation and military budget cuts. No global projection. Sit back on soft power perspective and use your nuclear shield as a deterrence.

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

But yet dumb rednecks are stupid. When your own country has done the same.

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics. "

And yet Brexit did that for the UK. Isolation from EU. UK broke those bridges for their own isolationist agenda. Give me 1 reason why the US should stop China's expansion and not isolate and take care of our own first.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Also 87% of the democrats gives trump the thumb up too

No they don’t "
They do, almost 9 in 10 Republicans, 87 percent, give him a thumbs, up, compared with 89 percent who said the same before the november election

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

democrats have made trump a god! Look at the facts..he starts off with drain the swap and they impeach him, fastest in history BUT fail, he fucks them off.

Then they impeach him again, first time ever in history AND fail AGAIN, even though they impeach out of office, another historical first lol AND fail AGAIN.... he is looking like teflon Don lol it could be his next slogan lol

more votes than any other resident president in history, including obama obviously! how many firsts has he racked up lol I think more people not less will follow him, they can see its been a witch hunt and hes come through it.

Im not even a trump fan but he is making the democrats look ridiculous! actually they are making themselves look ridiculous! Biden better smash it out the park or it will be a steam roller job next time

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over a year ago

"Also 87% of the democrats gives trump the thumb up too

No they don’t They do, almost 9 in 10 Republicans, 87 percent, give him a thumbs, up, compared with 89 percent who said the same before the november election

I think you said "democrats" when you meant "republicans"?

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

Brexit has nothing to do with the topic. Did trumps isolationism aid america in getting vaccines to combat covid? But to be blunt, Nativism and nationalism are pretty dangerous ugly things to amplify. History has shown that repeatedly, most recently with the Capitol insurrection.

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

You are condemning us for the same exact policy your country is doing. You know the dreaded America first. Show me UK power projection to take on any country besides nukes. Who has that power projection now. What is wrong with us creating the same Utopia that the UK calls themselves. Without projecting power.

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

All for taking our military budget which is designed for global reach and using that for the people.I said that repeatedly on multiple occasions. Social programs better healthcare better infrastructure and yet you condemn us for America First policy. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

You're avoiding every point I have made so I'll make this simple for you, if you're a rube before america first, guess what you'll be after an america first policy.

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

You're avoiding every point I have made so I'll make this simple for you, if you're a rube before america first, guess what you'll be after an america first policy. "

You did make a point your hatred for Trump. Not the policy he ran on and you have 0 rebuttal for that policy. Call me a rube then. Call it dangerous for being nationalistic we following other countries examples not are we not. I see isolation from EU good or bad. Better claim to healthcare taking better care of people like everyone says on here. All you need is a little nationalistic view. NHS for instance. It's a name "National" not UK not British National. So there is nothing wrong with being nationalistic since the world stage is heading in that direction.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

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america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

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over a year ago

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

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But I am the rube. Typical can't have a conversation without some form of insulting. I will take the high road then to fall into that abyssal way of thinking.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

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over a year ago

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way "

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

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over a year ago

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Well, not really. If you mean could it feed itself then probably yes, but without a lot of the fruit and veg they get from other countries, and the food would be much more expensive. And they couldn't make mobile phones or solar panels because these depend upon minerals not found in the USA. Can't see Americans being keen to on the drastic changes to their lifestyles.

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over a year ago

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

People always forget that bit hahaha

Seriously - who cares anyway? None of us were alive when any of these shenanigans went down. Not about to get all pissy about what anyone’s ancestors did or didn’t do hundreds of years ago

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over a year ago

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

People always forget that bit hahaha

Seriously - who cares anyway? None of us were alive when any of these shenanigans went down. Not about to get all pissy about what anyone’s ancestors did or didn’t do hundreds of years ago

Lol it always gets thrown in my face of course I will defend.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

People always forget that bit hahaha

Seriously - who cares anyway? None of us were alive when any of these shenanigans went down. Not about to get all pissy about what anyone’s ancestors did or didn’t do hundreds of years ago

It is one of the issues in today's society. Past transgressions sins of the father's ect..

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

People always forget that bit hahaha

Seriously - who cares anyway? None of us were alive when any of these shenanigans went down. Not about to get all pissy about what anyone’s ancestors did or didn’t do hundreds of years ago

It's conservatives who 'get all pissy' when basic historical facts are taught or discussed because they can't handle having their little baby patriotism challenged on any level.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

People always forget that bit hahaha

Seriously - who cares anyway? None of us were alive when any of these shenanigans went down. Not about to get all pissy about what anyone’s ancestors did or didn’t do hundreds of years ago

It's conservatives who 'get all pissy' when basic historical facts are taught or discussed because they can't handle having their little baby patriotism challenged on any level. "

Name 1 historical fact I posted that is not the truth.

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over a year ago

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

People always forget that bit hahaha

Seriously - who cares anyway? None of us were alive when any of these shenanigans went down. Not about to get all pissy about what anyone’s ancestors did or didn’t do hundreds of years ago

It's conservatives who 'get all pissy' when basic historical facts are taught or discussed because they can't handle having their little baby patriotism challenged on any level. "

The history is just that, history. It's in the past, we need to look forward, not backwards. That's not to say be can't be aware of it but no history apart from my own is gonna shape me

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over a year ago

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

People always forget that bit hahaha

Seriously - who cares anyway? None of us were alive when any of these shenanigans went down. Not about to get all pissy about what anyone’s ancestors did or didn’t do hundreds of years ago

It's conservatives who 'get all pissy' when basic historical facts are taught or discussed because they can't handle having their little baby patriotism challenged on any level. "

Hahahaha is it!? Spat my gin out at that

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Every republicans congress person bar the 10 who voted for impeachment just had every attack ad written against them for the next 18 months in the run up to the midterms

Trump over country, jan 6 riot, vote not to impeach, Marjorie Taylor green and the loony wing, turning a blind eye to the white nationalists, vote to acquit..

Let the republicans try to run on law and order now... just aim it at moderate republicans and they will either stay home.. or switch

They are going to absolutely hemorage moderate republicans and money from business ( who is going to want to be attached to that)

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Every republicans congress person bar the 10 who voted for impeachment just had every attack ad written against them for the next 18 months in the run up to the midterms

Trump over country, jan 6 riot, vote not to impeach, Marjorie Taylor green and the loony wing, turning a blind eye to the white nationalists, vote to acquit..

Let the republicans try to run on law and order now... just aim it at moderate republicans and they will either stay home.. or switch

They are going to absolutely hemorage moderate republicans and money from business ( who is going to want to be attached to that) "

Excellent point about law and order.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More then likely a 3rd party. Guess we have to wait and see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More then likely a 3rd party. Guess we have to wait and see."

Here's a question.

Would a third party take any voters from the democrats?

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over a year ago

"More then likely a 3rd party. Guess we have to wait and see.

Here's a question.

Would a third party take any voters from the democrats?"

NY with Cuomo doing what he did and Cali with Newsome. Might sway some. Wolf here but wolf in his last term. Interesting to see.

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over a year ago

"More then likely a 3rd party. Guess we have to wait and see.

Here's a question.

Would a third party take any voters from the democrats?

NY with Cuomo doing what he did and Cali with Newsome. Might sway some. Wolf here but wolf in his last term. Interesting to see."
Georgia too because of the promise of 2000 stimulus checks during the senate runoffs.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Can't they grow fruit in california? Guess my geography teacher was wrong! Lol

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

People always forget that bit hahaha

Seriously - who cares anyway? None of us were alive when any of these shenanigans went down. Not about to get all pissy about what anyone’s ancestors did or didn’t do hundreds of years ago

It's conservatives who 'get all pissy' when basic historical facts are taught or discussed because they can't handle having their little baby patriotism challenged on any level. "

Which original inhabitants? Neanderthals? Anyway while they sat there making wooden toys brits built boats made guns and discovered them lol its how all civilised societies evolved, the new conquerors taking it forward, vikings, Romans....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

People always forget that bit hahaha

Seriously - who cares anyway? None of us were alive when any of these shenanigans went down. Not about to get all pissy about what anyone’s ancestors did or didn’t do hundreds of years ago

It's conservatives who 'get all pissy' when basic historical facts are taught or discussed because they can't handle having their little baby patriotism challenged on any level.

China the next conquerors how is your mandarin.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

People always forget that bit hahaha

Seriously - who cares anyway? None of us were alive when any of these shenanigans went down. Not about to get all pissy about what anyone’s ancestors did or didn’t do hundreds of years ago

It's conservatives who 'get all pissy' when basic historical facts are taught or discussed because they can't handle having their little baby patriotism challenged on any level.

China the next conquerors how is your mandarin.

could well be, hopefully weve imported enough from hongkong to act as double agents or that might just make them invade us first! but theres more than enough of them especially if they keep sending us a virus!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

People always forget that bit hahaha

Seriously - who cares anyway? None of us were alive when any of these shenanigans went down. Not about to get all pissy about what anyone’s ancestors did or didn’t do hundreds of years ago

It's conservatives who 'get all pissy' when basic historical facts are taught or discussed because they can't handle having their little baby patriotism challenged on any level.

China the next conquerors how is your mandarin.

Well they do love Tea

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

People always forget that bit hahaha

Seriously - who cares anyway? None of us were alive when any of these shenanigans went down. Not about to get all pissy about what anyone’s ancestors did or didn’t do hundreds of years ago

It's conservatives who 'get all pissy' when basic historical facts are taught or discussed because they can't handle having their little baby patriotism challenged on any level.

China the next conquerors how is your mandarin.

Well they do love Tea

good point, we love a special relationship with a super power, we were a super power lol and now look!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"america is one of the few nations in the world that has every commodity, oil, water, steel, coal, plenty of land for crops, population.... it could easily be self sufficient in every way.

Yea the original inhabitants were really lucky until someone stole it from them and killed anyone who stood in their way

Yes kinda of like British colonialism who killed way more people and cause more suffering .

People always forget that bit hahaha

Seriously - who cares anyway? None of us were alive when any of these shenanigans went down. Not about to get all pissy about what anyone’s ancestors did or didn’t do hundreds of years ago

It's conservatives who 'get all pissy' when basic historical facts are taught or discussed because they can't handle having their little baby patriotism challenged on any level.

China the next conquerors how is your mandarin.

Well they do love Tea

good point, we love a special relationship with a super power, we were a super power lol and now look!

You can always throw tea in a harbor it worked for us. Modernize it a little use twisted tea .

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Described by boris as a kerfuffle

So this is how it feels to be a laughing stock around the world.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"Described by boris as a kerfuffle

So this is how it feels to be a laughing stock around the world."

Haven't you got over it yet? I didn't realise you were that old Lionel! not your real age on profile then lol

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Described by boris as a kerfuffle

So this is how it feels to be a laughing stock around the world.

Haven't you got over it yet? I didn't realise you were that old Lionel! not your real age on profile then lol

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"Described by boris as a kerfuffle

So this is how it feels to be a laughing stock around the world.

Haven't you got over it yet? I didn't realise you were that old Lionel! not your real age on profile then lol

You made comment after a reference to Boston tea party,

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Described by boris as a kerfuffle

So this is how it feels to be a laughing stock around the world.

Haven't you got over it yet? I didn't realise you were that old Lionel! not your real age on profile then lol

You made comment after a reference to Boston tea party,

I meant the impeachment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MAGA still alive and well see it all over my feeds.

Biden was the perfect choice to keep that flame lit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MAGA still alive and well see it all over my feeds.

Biden was the perfect choice to keep that flame lit."

Why isn’t America already great after 4 years of Trump?

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

You're avoiding every point I have made so I'll make this simple for you, if you're a rube before america first, guess what you'll be after an america first policy.

I have a hatred for Right Wing extremism, 21st century nazis and folks that think it's ok to overturn democratic institutions. I have contempt that people that see those ideologies as being of benefit to them.

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

You're avoiding every point I have made so I'll make this simple for you, if you're a rube before america first, guess what you'll be after an america first policy.

Do you hate the people who tried to overturn the EU referendum in the UK?

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

"MAGA still alive and well see it all over my feeds.

Biden was the perfect choice to keep that flame lit.

Why isn’t America already great after 4 years of Trump?

The number of american jobs fell by 3 million over trumps period in office, which is a record. The national deficit also soared under his rule.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

You're avoiding every point I have made so I'll make this simple for you, if you're a rube before america first, guess what you'll be after an america first policy.

Do you hate the people who tried to overturn the EU referendum in the UK? "
This should be intresting.

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

You're avoiding every point I have made so I'll make this simple for you, if you're a rube before america first, guess what you'll be after an america first policy.

Do you hate the people who tried to overturn the EU referendum in the UK? "

Brexit doesn't equate to right wing extremism that tried to overturn election results. And for the record, there was nothing vaguely similar unless you want to count Jo Cox MP who was murdered by a right wing extremist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Cox#Murder Opposition to Brexit happened in the courts and parliament

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over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

You're avoiding every point I have made so I'll make this simple for you, if you're a rube before america first, guess what you'll be after an america first policy.

Do you hate the people who tried to overturn the EU referendum in the UK?

He only hates right wingers who tey to overturn democracy, not left wingers

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

You're avoiding every point I have made so I'll make this simple for you, if you're a rube before america first, guess what you'll be after an america first policy.

Do you hate the people who tried to overturn the EU referendum in the UK?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

You're avoiding every point I have made so I'll make this simple for you, if you're a rube before america first, guess what you'll be after an america first policy.

Do you hate the people who tried to overturn the EU referendum in the UK?

Brexit and the referendum equates to the decision of democratic institutions. So I'll ask again, do you hate the people who tried to overturn it?

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over a year ago

"MAGA still alive and well see it all over my feeds.

Biden was the perfect choice to keep that flame lit.

Why isn’t America already great after 4 years of Trump?

The number of american jobs fell by 3 million over trumps period in office, which is a record. The national deficit also soared under his rule. "

There is a pandemic of course jobs are going to be job losses. Deficits are going up because of the pandemic too. I hope you are aware of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What , in your opinion, does ‘America First’ mean ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy)

The world wants china? News to me.

If you really think your life would be better under nativism and nationalism, I got a few bridges to sell you. It's nothing more than grievance politics.

You're avoiding every point I have made so I'll make this simple for you, if you're a rube before america first, guess what you'll be after an america first policy.

Do you hate the people who tried to overturn the EU referendum in the UK?

https://www.uk-engage.org/2013/05/what-is-the-difference-between-an-election-and-a-referendum/

If you read this it will show you the huge difference between an advisory referendum and a GE or presidential election

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MAGA still alive and well see it all over my feeds.

Biden was the perfect choice to keep that flame lit.

Why isn’t America already great after 4 years of Trump?

The number of american jobs fell by 3 million over trumps period in office, which is a record. The national deficit also soared under his rule.

There is a pandemic of course jobs are going to be job losses. Deficits are going up because of the pandemic too. I hope you are aware of that.

Why isn’t America now great though?? He had 4 years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MAGA still alive and well see it all over my feeds.

Biden was the perfect choice to keep that flame lit.

Why isn’t America already great after 4 years of Trump?

The number of american jobs fell by 3 million over trumps period in office, which is a record. The national deficit also soared under his rule.

There is a pandemic of course jobs are going to be job losses. Deficits are going up because of the pandemic too. I hope you are aware of that.

Why isn’t America now great though?? He had 4 years "

you do realize you cannot pass legislation without congress or the senate as you can see with Biden it's just executive orders.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Comparing brexit to the Capitol riots.

This place gets more embarrassing by the day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MAGA still alive and well see it all over my feeds.

Biden was the perfect choice to keep that flame lit.

Why isn’t America already great after 4 years of Trump?

The number of american jobs fell by 3 million over trumps period in office, which is a record. The national deficit also soared under his rule.

There is a pandemic of course jobs are going to be job losses. Deficits are going up because of the pandemic too. I hope you are aware of that.

Why isn’t America now great though?? He had 4 years

you do realize you cannot pass legislation without congress or the senate as you can see with Biden it's just executive orders."

So America will never be ‘great again’ so MAGA is a meaningless populist slogan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MAGA still alive and well see it all over my feeds.

Biden was the perfect choice to keep that flame lit.

Why isn’t America already great after 4 years of Trump?

The number of american jobs fell by 3 million over trumps period in office, which is a record. The national deficit also soared under his rule.

There is a pandemic of course jobs are going to be job losses. Deficits are going up because of the pandemic too. I hope you are aware of that.

Why isn’t America now great though?? He had 4 years

you do realize you cannot pass legislation without congress or the senate as you can see with Biden it's just executive orders.

So America will never be ‘great again’ so MAGA is a meaningless populist slogan "

Yup no unity not seeing any at all. Time to do the same thing for next 4 years until there is a better option besides Biden or Trump.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Comparing brexit to the Capitol riots.

This place gets more embarrassing by the day "

I see similarities.

Both tried to corrupt democracy. One succeeded, one failed.

Both movements driven by misinformation, propaganda, lies etc.

Both movements unironically championing politics that is detrimental to the very people fighting for it.

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By *oggone OP Man
over a year ago

Derry

"Comparing brexit to the Capitol riots.

This place gets more embarrassing by the day "

It's hard to believe but here we are.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Comparing brexit to the Capitol riots.

This place gets more embarrassing by the day

It's hard to believe but here we are."
so no answer then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Comparing brexit to the Capitol riots.

This place gets more embarrassing by the day "

No, comparing the feeling towards people who try to overturn the result of a democratic decision. The result of the decision to hold a referendum which was taken by a democratic institution. And the result of which a democratically elected government promised to enact. The hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Comparing brexit to the Capitol riots.

This place gets more embarrassing by the day

It's hard to believe but here we are.so no answer then?"

I don't see any answers over here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MAGA still alive and well see it all over my feeds.

Biden was the perfect choice to keep that flame lit.

Why isn’t America already great after 4 years of Trump?

The number of american jobs fell by 3 million over trumps period in office, which is a record. The national deficit also soared under his rule.

There is a pandemic of course jobs are going to be job losses. Deficits are going up because of the pandemic too. I hope you are aware of that.

Why isn’t America now great though?? He had 4 years

you do realize you cannot pass legislation without congress or the senate as you can see with Biden it's just executive orders.

So America will never be ‘great again’ so MAGA is a meaningless populist slogan

Yup no unity not seeing any at all. Time to do the same thing for next 4 years until there is a better option besides Biden or Trump."

And ditch the meaningless MAGA slogan,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Comparing brexit to the Capitol riots.

This place gets more embarrassing by the day

It's hard to believe but here we are.so no answer then?"

You are comparing apples with oranges , have a read

https://www.uk-engage.org/2013/05/what-is-the-difference-between-an-election-and-a-referendum/

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Let’s not have a part 3

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Comparing brexit to the Capitol riots.

This place gets more embarrassing by the day

Why is it only "the left" who care about the integrity of democracy?

Bit patronising to everyone else there.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Comparing brexit to the Capitol riots.

This place gets more embarrassing by the day

It's hard to believe but here we are."

Its actually cringeworthy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Comparing brexit to the Capitol riots.

This place gets more embarrassing by the day

Why is it only "the left" who care about the integrity of democracy?

Bit patronising to everyone else there.

And there we have it. Someone who believes that holding a referendum was undemocratic and the result of which was undemocratic because it didn't go his way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Comparing brexit to the Capitol riots.

This place gets more embarrassing by the day

Why is it only "the left" who care about the integrity of democracy?

Bit patronising to everyone else there.

And there we have it. Someone who believes that holding a referendum was undemocratic and the result of which was undemocratic because it didn't go his way "

I do enjoy when people make something up. Then get outraged by the thing they've made up.

The comparrison you're looking for is between two groups who tried to corrupt democracy.

One by storming the capital building in Washington. Was unsuccessful.

One by a decades long campaign of misinformation, propaganda and lies, culminating in two illegally funded leave campaigns. Was successful.

You can get as angry as you like about people who care about the integrity of democracy. But to assume that anyone who does care is "left", is just silly.

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