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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

EU based firms cannot trade in London because we're waiting for recognition of 'supervisory status'. Whether that ever comes or not will determine what happens with London.

Amsterdam have seen a four-fold share trade increase in one month. I wouldn't get too excited just yet.

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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"EU based firms cannot trade in London because we're waiting for recognition of 'supervisory status'. Whether that ever comes or not will determine what happens with London.

Amsterdam have seen a four-fold share trade increase in one month. I wouldn't get too excited just yet."

Excited? It's depressing seeing a UK success story go down the tubes. Again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"EU based firms cannot trade in London because we're waiting for recognition of 'supervisory status'. Whether that ever comes or not will determine what happens with London.

Amsterdam have seen a four-fold share trade increase in one month. I wouldn't get too excited just yet.

Excited? It's depressing seeing a UK success story go down the tubes. Again."

Closes your eyes and stick you head in that cigarette bucket over there. It'll be fine

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )"

The take on this in some newspapers is that the EU is “locking out” London (the U.K.) from their financial market. It is an interesting play on words when those very same newspapers cheered on an exit from the Customs Union and Single Market.

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”"

We helped create the rules, yet somehow the rules are now a complete shock to the likes of Gove

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”"

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"EU based firms cannot trade in London because we're waiting for recognition of 'supervisory status'. Whether that ever comes or not will determine what happens with London.

Amsterdam have seen a four-fold share trade increase in one month. I wouldn't get too excited just yet.

Excited? It's depressing seeing a UK success story go down the tubes. Again.

Closes your eyes and stick you head in that cigarette bucket over there. It'll be fine

This was the original slogan that Leave.EU were going to go with. They changed it at the last moment. Phew.

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )"

Is this story gonna be worth my time googling to establish the facts or is it gonna be like every other remainer "bloke down the pub told me" thread?

I'm very busy importing and exporting record amounts of product so if this is nonsense please tell me now cheers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case."

Did you expect or hope to stay in the customs Union when you voted to leave ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

Is this story gonna be worth my time googling to establish the facts or is it gonna be like every other remainer "bloke down the pub told me" thread?

I'm very busy importing and exporting record amounts of product so if this is nonsense please tell me now cheers "

Doubt it, how is the pound to the euro today?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

Is this story gonna be worth my time googling to establish the facts or is it gonna be like every other remainer "bloke down the pub told me" thread?

I'm very busy importing and exporting record amounts of product so if this is nonsense please tell me now cheers "

If you wanna save yourself time.

Amsterdam overtook London in terms of volume share trades for Jan 2021.

The main reason for this is because Brussels had not recognised the UK exchanges and trading venues as having the same supervisory status as its own, leading to a ban on EU-based financial institutions trading in London.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case.

Did you expect or hope to stay in the customs Union when you voted to leave ? "

I just said I wouldve loved to have stayed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case.

Did you expect or hope to stay in the customs Union when you voted to leave ? "

Let me elaborate, I hoped to have been able to stay in the customs union. However, I also knew the EU would take the hardline in negotiations so also I I would've hoped to stay I didn't dismiss the fact that it may not happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case.

Did you expect or hope to stay in the customs Union when you voted to leave ?

I just said I wouldve loved to have stayed."

But you obviously realised that wasn’t going to happen

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”"

This has been known for a while now. Whilst Boris and Gove were busy pushing fishing, the EU blindsided us with Financial services.

There is supposed to be an equivalence standard set by the UK and the EU in March. Problem is,the EU smell blood and will play hardball. They've always seen the City of London as their Brexit prize, with the likes of Amsterdam, Paris and Frankfurt wanting a bigger slice of the action.

The City of London can now go global, eyeing up Singapore and Hong Kong but this may be at the expense of ground being given by the EU.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"It would be reasonable to think that a common framework of global standards combined with the common basis of the rules – since the UK transposed EU rules from the outset – would be enough to base equivalence on global standards. Less than this was enough when Canada, the US, Australia, Hong Kong and Brazil were all deemed equivalent."

"The EU has argued it must better understand how the UK intends to amend or alter the rules going forwards. This is a standard that the EU holds no other country to and would, I suspect, not agree to be held to itself. It is hard to see beyond one of two ways of interpreting this statement, neither of which stands up to much scrutiny."

This attitude from the EU sounds almost identical to the one they adopted with the trade agreement

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

OK then, let's see... From the article:

"... The transfer would not mean jobs leaving London... Symbolic but fund managers more concerned with availability of liquidity rather than where trade executed.... Temporary until equivalence agreements in March"

All against the background of Europe being a declining percentage of World trade. Story is just about European stock placements. London will always be the Financial capital of the world, its ten times the size of any European hub.

Non story as usual.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

this was forcast as part of the outcome of a leave vote back in early 2016. the likes of mark francois, steve baker and jrm demanded britain be outside of the customs union and that's exactly what we got. it's no use the brexaholics moaning about it now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"this was forcast as part of the outcome of a leave vote back in early 2016. the likes of mark francois, steve baker and jrm demanded britain be outside of the customs union and that's exactly what we got. it's no use the brexaholics moaning about it now."

I don't see any Leave voters moaning. I think anyone with an interest in the financial market foreseen this until the talks happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OK then, let's see... From the article:

Non story as usual. "

New York is the financial capital of the world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case.

Did you expect or hope to stay in the customs Union when you voted to leave ?

I just said I wouldve loved to have stayed.

But you obviously realised that wasn’t going to happen "

I knew the EU would take the hardline yeah. Anyone who didn't know this, or even think it would have been naive.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Imagine putting all your faith in political heavyweights like mark Francois?

I mean,what could possibly go wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case.

Did you expect or hope to stay in the customs Union when you voted to leave ?

I just said I wouldve loved to have stayed.

But you obviously realised that wasn’t going to happen

I knew the EU would take the hardline yeah. Anyone who didn't know this, or even think it would have been naive."

Very naive, after all, it was what the leave voters voted for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case.

Did you expect or hope to stay in the customs Union when you voted to leave ?

I just said I wouldve loved to have stayed.

But you obviously realised that wasn’t going to happen

I knew the EU would take the hardline yeah. Anyone who didn't know this, or even think it would have been naive.

Very naive, after all, it was what the leave voters voted for "

It would also be naive to think you know why all leave voters voted as they did.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

Half of British exporters to the EU are facing difficulties with Brexit red tape and border disruption after a month of the new rules, according to a British Chambers of Commerce survey

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"OK then, let's see... From the article:

Non story as usual. "

As far as I know, and happy to be corected, most European shares ate still executed through London

The owners of the European stock exchanges, have their share trading data centres in Basildon and Slough.

Whether this has changed post Dec 31st, I'm not too sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case.

Did you expect or hope to stay in the customs Union when you voted to leave ?

I just said I wouldve loved to have stayed.

But you obviously realised that wasn’t going to happen

I knew the EU would take the hardline yeah. Anyone who didn't know this, or even think it would have been naive.

Very naive, after all, it was what the leave voters voted for

It would also be naive to think you know why all leave voters voted as they did."

Hold on, you just said anyone who didn’t know this would happen is naive ? If you voted leave and didn’t know this would happen then you were naive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case.

Did you expect or hope to stay in the customs Union when you voted to leave ?

I just said I wouldve loved to have stayed.

But you obviously realised that wasn’t going to happen

I knew the EU would take the hardline yeah. Anyone who didn't know this, or even think it would have been naive.

Very naive, after all, it was what the leave voters voted for

It would also be naive to think you know why all leave voters voted as they did.

Hold on, you just said anyone who didn’t know this would happen is naive ? If you voted leave and didn’t know this would happen then you were naive "

I said that in referencing the EU would take the hardline.

'it was what the leave voters voted for' was your statement. What did they vote for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case.

Did you expect or hope to stay in the customs Union when you voted to leave ?

I just said I wouldve loved to have stayed.

But you obviously realised that wasn’t going to happen

I knew the EU would take the hardline yeah. Anyone who didn't know this, or even think it would have been naive.

Very naive, after all, it was what the leave voters voted for

It would also be naive to think you know why all leave voters voted as they did.

Hold on, you just said anyone who didn’t know this would happen is naive ? If you voted leave and didn’t know this would happen then you were naive

I said that in referencing the EU would take the hardline.

'it was what the leave voters voted for' was your statement. What did they vote for? "

They knew what they were voting for

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"OK then, let's see... From the article:

Non story as usual.

New York is the financial capital of the world "

In prime subsidised derivative relief volumes they are similar but London does more margin raises against brokerage due to time zones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OK then, let's see... From the article:

Non story as usual.

New York is the financial capital of the world

In prime subsidised derivative relief volumes they are similar but London does more margin raises against brokerage due to time zones. "

New York is the financial Capital of the world, fact

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case.

Did you expect or hope to stay in the customs Union when you voted to leave ?

I just said I wouldve loved to have stayed.

But you obviously realised that wasn’t going to happen

I knew the EU would take the hardline yeah. Anyone who didn't know this, or even think it would have been naive.

Very naive, after all, it was what the leave voters voted for

It would also be naive to think you know why all leave voters voted as they did.

Hold on, you just said anyone who didn’t know this would happen is naive ? If you voted leave and didn’t know this would happen then you were naive

I said that in referencing the EU would take the hardline.

'it was what the leave voters voted for' was your statement. What did they vote for?

They knew what they were voting for"

Yeah you keep telling us that. Everytime something happens you tell us 'it's what you voted for' which is bollocks and we all know that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case.

Did you expect or hope to stay in the customs Union when you voted to leave ?

I just said I wouldve loved to have stayed.

But you obviously realised that wasn’t going to happen

I knew the EU would take the hardline yeah. Anyone who didn't know this, or even think it would have been naive.

Very naive, after all, it was what the leave voters voted for

It would also be naive to think you know why all leave voters voted as they did.

Hold on, you just said anyone who didn’t know this would happen is naive ? If you voted leave and didn’t know this would happen then you were naive

I said that in referencing the EU would take the hardline.

'it was what the leave voters voted for' was your statement. What did they vote for?

They knew what they were voting for

Yeah you keep telling us that. Everytime something happens you tell us 'it's what you voted for' which is bollocks and we all know that.

Is it ‘bollocks’, either you knew what you voted for or you didn’t ?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

for those that voted leave this is what leave looks like, ergo this is what you voted for, despite the dogmatic brexaholic denial syndrome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

It is another example of how batshit crazy everything is at the moment. “We must leave their Single Market... The utter bastards will not let us into their Single Market.”

The customs union and single market are separate entities. They want access to the customs union, not the single market.

I would've loved to have stayed in the customs union, we certainly wouldn't have the issues we have right now if that had been the case.

Did you expect or hope to stay in the customs Union when you voted to leave ?

I just said I wouldve loved to have stayed.

But you obviously realised that wasn’t going to happen

I knew the EU would take the hardline yeah. Anyone who didn't know this, or even think it would have been naive.

Very naive, after all, it was what the leave voters voted for

It would also be naive to think you know why all leave voters voted as they did.

Hold on, you just said anyone who didn’t know this would happen is naive ? If you voted leave and didn’t know this would happen then you were naive

I said that in referencing the EU would take the hardline.

'it was what the leave voters voted for' was your statement. What did they vote for?

They knew what they were voting for

Yeah you keep telling us that. Everytime something happens you tell us 'it's what you voted for' which is bollocks and we all know that.

Is it ‘bollocks’, either you knew what you voted for or you didn’t ? "

Did we vote for the sea border? The hard border in Ireland? Delays in Kent? The extra mound of paperwork? Etc etc.

The fact is that whilst these were a possibility, they weren't guaranteed.

So no one knew full well what they were voting for.

Just as no one knew for sure that these things would happen.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

As far as I remember, the only thing we voted on was to keep the status quo with the EU, or to leave.

A repetitive "you know what you voted for" is somewhat nonsensical.

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

I expect that if you surveyed the people who actually voted leave. There would be a number who would say that this was not the Brexit they wanted or voted for.

But here is the rub .... This is the Brexit you have got.....

You can blame whoever you like but at the end of the day the blame for this Brexit lies directly with David Cameron and all those voted leave.

Remember actions have consequences and not necessarily the ones you wanted.

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over a year ago

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

all of the above was forcast if the referendum result was to leave. the referendum result was to leave and all of the above is now happening. it's quite simple to understand for anyone with even a modicum of intelligence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all of the above was forcast if the referendum result was to leave. the referendum result was to leave and all of the above is now happening. it's quite simple to understand for anyone with even a modicum of intelligence."

A lot of stuff was forecast before the referendum. I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Cast your net wide enough and you're bound to catch some fish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I expect that if you surveyed the people who actually voted leave. There would be a number who would say that this was not the Brexit they wanted or voted for.

But here is the rub .... This is the Brexit you have got.....

You can blame whoever you like but at the end of the day the blame for this Brexit lies directly with David Cameron and all those voted leave.

Remember actions have consequences and not necessarily the ones you wanted."

We have found common ground here.

It's not necessarily what leave voters wanted or voted for. But, it's what we have so now we have to deal with it. End of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I expect that if you surveyed the people who actually voted leave. There would be a number who would say that this was not the Brexit they wanted or voted for.

But here is the rub .... This is the Brexit you have got.....

You can blame whoever you like but at the end of the day the blame for this Brexit lies directly with David Cameron and all those voted leave.

Remember actions have consequences and not necessarily the ones you wanted.

We have found common ground here.

It's not necessarily what leave voters wanted or voted for. But, it's what we have so now we have to deal with it. End of."

We do have to deal with it.

I think the problem is, people are still celebrating brexit as if it's a positive thing for the country. We need to be figuring out how to mitigate against it, how to work around it. And how to make sure things don't get worse again.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

it is safe to say that none of this was voted for by anyone who cast their ballot to remain. this is what the leavers voted for despite their current protestations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I expect that if you surveyed the people who actually voted leave. There would be a number who would say that this was not the Brexit they wanted or voted for.

But here is the rub .... This is the Brexit you have got.....

You can blame whoever you like but at the end of the day the blame for this Brexit lies directly with David Cameron and all those voted leave.

Remember actions have consequences and not necessarily the ones you wanted.

We have found common ground here.

It's not necessarily what leave voters wanted or voted for. But, it's what we have so now we have to deal with it. End of.

We do have to deal with it.

You may see a few on here 'celebrating' but the reality is that not many people are celebrating.

I've seen more 'this is your fault' than 'celebrating' on here. Lots more

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"I think the problem is, people are still celebrating brexit as if it's a positive thing for the country. We need to be figuring out how to mitigate against it, how to work around it. And how to make sure things don't get worse again."

it will continue for as long as there are brexaholics denying that there is a problem. if they admit to themselves that there is a problem then that problem can start to be treated, although the road to recovery will be very long and difficult.

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

Nothing is happening I'm busier than ever. Esoteric distinctions about tiny European stock derivative trades being booked through Amsterdam by London based brokers for a month is a total non story.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I expect that if you surveyed the people who actually voted leave. There would be a number who would say that this was not the Brexit they wanted or voted for.

But here is the rub .... This is the Brexit you have got.....

You can blame whoever you like but at the end of the day the blame for this Brexit lies directly with David Cameron and all those voted leave.

Remember actions have consequences and not necessarily the ones you wanted.

We have found common ground here.

It's not necessarily what leave voters wanted or voted for. But, it's what we have so now we have to deal with it. End of.

We do have to deal with it.

Tbf to them ,they have spent the last 30 years believing all those ridiculous headlines that the eu were to blame for everything.

Reality has probally come as quite a shock.

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over a year ago

"I expect that if you surveyed the people who actually voted leave. There would be a number who would say that this was not the Brexit they wanted or voted for.

But here is the rub .... This is the Brexit you have got.....

You can blame whoever you like but at the end of the day the blame for this Brexit lies directly with David Cameron and all those voted leave.

Remember actions have consequences and not necessarily the ones you wanted.

We have found common ground here.

It's not necessarily what leave voters wanted or voted for. But, it's what we have so now we have to deal with it. End of.

We do have to deal with it.

You may see a few on here 'celebrating' but the reality is that not many people are celebrating.

I've seen more 'this is your fault' than 'celebrating' on here. Lots more "

That's fair point.

I do apportion some blame to leave voters. But most of it needs to go to those who lied to people for years and years, to get what they wanted.

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over a year ago

"I expect that if you surveyed the people who actually voted leave. There would be a number who would say that this was not the Brexit they wanted or voted for.

But here is the rub .... This is the Brexit you have got.....

You can blame whoever you like but at the end of the day the blame for this Brexit lies directly with David Cameron and all those voted leave.

Remember actions have consequences and not necessarily the ones you wanted.

We have found common ground here.

It's not necessarily what leave voters wanted or voted for. But, it's what we have so now we have to deal with it. End of.

We do have to deal with it.

Tbf to them ,they have spent the last 30 years believing all those ridiculous headlines that the eu were to blame for everything.

Reality has probally come as quite a shock."

I take their point. It does feel like denial is the overriding leaver reaction. But that may not be the case in reality.

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By *renzMan
over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

It seems as if this is affecting a few people on this thread directly, but for many it is pure conjecture or what they read either online or in the papers. As previously discussed these all have an opinion depending on their editorial.

On imports I can honestly say nothing has changed, although I understand what we import is only a small slice, but that is what I have experience of. The only time we had a problem was when France closed its border in December. Since then everything has run smoothly. That might be down to the exporter opening an office in the UK back in October, to preempt any problems with a no deal. Not sure why others haven't done the same. Just a small slice, but as I say nothing has changed. No extra costs, ordered, delivered two days later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I expect that if you surveyed the people who actually voted leave. There would be a number who would say that this was not the Brexit they wanted or voted for.

But here is the rub .... This is the Brexit you have got.....

You can blame whoever you like but at the end of the day the blame for this Brexit lies directly with David Cameron and all those voted leave.

Remember actions have consequences and not necessarily the ones you wanted.

We have found common ground here.

It's not necessarily what leave voters wanted or voted for. But, it's what we have so now we have to deal with it. End of.

We do have to deal with it.

You may see a few on here 'celebrating' but the reality is that not many people are celebrating.

I've seen more 'this is your fault' than 'celebrating' on here. Lots more

That's fair point.

I do apportion some blame to leave voters. But most of it needs to go to those who lied to people for years and years, to get what they wanted. "

We can always apportion blame towards others though. In everything. It's the easy way.

Much harder to accept that a situation is what it and learn to deal with it.

It's of absolutely no use to anyone to apportion blame unless they have the ability to change which leave voters don't have.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"I expect that if you surveyed the people who actually voted leave. There would be a number who would say that this was not the Brexit they wanted or voted for.

But here is the rub .... This is the Brexit you have got.....

You can blame whoever you like but at the end of the day the blame for this Brexit lies directly with David Cameron and all those voted leave.

Remember actions have consequences and not necessarily the ones you wanted.

We have found common ground here.

It's not necessarily what leave voters wanted or voted for. But, it's what we have so now we have to deal with it. End of.

We do have to deal with it.

You may see a few on here 'celebrating' but the reality is that not many people are celebrating.

I've seen more 'this is your fault' than 'celebrating' on here. Lots more

That's fair point.

I do apportion some blame to leave voters. But most of it needs to go to those who lied to people for years and years, to get what they wanted. "

I'm sure some in the media will be revisiting the campaign months of the referendum, and seeing what was said and by whom.

Certainly some need to be examined on their campaign statements.

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By *or Fox Sake OP Couple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"London is no longer the largest trading centre for stocks and shares in Europe. Amsterdam has over taken it.

( From the FT and others )

Is this story gonna be worth my time googling to establish the facts or is it gonna be like every other remainer "bloke down the pub told me" thread?

I'm very busy importing and exporting record amounts of product so if this is nonsense please tell me now cheers "

check it if you like

the "bloke down the pub" source is basically the comms team for the leavers

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"I do apportion some blame to leave voters. But most of it needs to go to those who lied to people for years and years, to get what they wanted. "

those and the dogmatic brexaholic zealots. it would help if they just admit the truth that things have gone in an utterly different direction to what they hoped and consequently the country is rapidly being damaged. let's hope they do the moral thing and come to their senses before the damage becomes irreparable in a couple of months time.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I expect that if you surveyed the people who actually voted leave. There would be a number who would say that this was not the Brexit they wanted or voted for.

But here is the rub .... This is the Brexit you have got.....

You can blame whoever you like but at the end of the day the blame for this Brexit lies directly with David Cameron and all those voted leave.

Remember actions have consequences and not necessarily the ones you wanted.

We have found common ground here.

It's not necessarily what leave voters wanted or voted for. But, it's what we have so now we have to deal with it. End of.

We do have to deal with it.

You may see a few on here 'celebrating' but the reality is that not many people are celebrating.

I've seen more 'this is your fault' than 'celebrating' on here. Lots more

That's fair point.

I do apportion some blame to leave voters. But most of it needs to go to those who lied to people for years and years, to get what they wanted.

I'm sure some in the media will be revisiting the campaign months of the referendum, and seeing what was said and by whom.

Certainly some need to be examined on their campaign statements. "

I think the time for that is well past.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I expect that if you surveyed the people who actually voted leave. There would be a number who would say that this was not the Brexit they wanted or voted for.

But here is the rub .... This is the Brexit you have got.....

You can blame whoever you like but at the end of the day the blame for this Brexit lies directly with David Cameron and all those voted leave.

Remember actions have consequences and not necessarily the ones you wanted.

We have found common ground here.

It's not necessarily what leave voters wanted or voted for. But, it's what we have so now we have to deal with it. End of.

We do have to deal with it.

You may see a few on here 'celebrating' but the reality is that not many people are celebrating.

I've seen more 'this is your fault' than 'celebrating' on here. Lots more

That's fair point.

I do apportion some blame to leave voters. But most of it needs to go to those who lied to people for years and years, to get what they wanted.

We can always apportion blame towards others though. In everything. It's the easy way.

Much harder to accept that a situation is what it and learn to deal with it.

It's of absolutely no use to anyone to apportion blame unless they have the ability to change which leave voters don't have."

If no one is held to account. And there is no blame, we won't learn anything.

And next time there is a vote or referendum, people could just as easily vote for more bullshit.

I don't have the answer by the way. Aside from education. Kids need to be taught how to analyse information. And all of us need to learn about the world around us. For example, every kid in most EU countries has a good understanding of the EU, what it's for, how it works. Information like this makes it a lot harder to lie to the population.

While we over here don't agree what the problem is, I don't see any way forward for British people. I'm just expecting more of the same.

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over a year ago

"I do apportion some blame to leave voters. But most of it needs to go to those who lied to people for years and years, to get what they wanted.

What is the moral thing?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I do apportion some blame to leave voters. But most of it needs to go to those who lied to people for years and years, to get what they wanted.

That will never happen

They will simply deny it's down to Brexit,despite stories appearing on a daily basis,or ,more likely Blame the eu.

We have already seen that process started

We have a pm who accepts responsibility for nothing and refuses to answer questions.

That's where we are right now.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I expect that if you surveyed the people who actually voted leave. There would be a number who would say that this was not the Brexit they wanted or voted for.

But here is the rub .... This is the Brexit you have got.....

You can blame whoever you like but at the end of the day the blame for this Brexit lies directly with David Cameron and all those voted leave.

Remember actions have consequences and not necessarily the ones you wanted.

We have found common ground here.

It's not necessarily what leave voters wanted or voted for. But, it's what we have so now we have to deal with it. End of.

We do have to deal with it.

You may see a few on here 'celebrating' but the reality is that not many people are celebrating.

I've seen more 'this is your fault' than 'celebrating' on here. Lots more

That's fair point.

I do apportion some blame to leave voters. But most of it needs to go to those who lied to people for years and years, to get what they wanted.

We can always apportion blame towards others though. In everything. It's the easy way.

Much harder to accept that a situation is what it and learn to deal with it.

It's of absolutely no use to anyone to apportion blame unless they have the ability to change which leave voters don't have.

If no one is held to account. And there is no blame, we won't learn anything.

And next time there is a vote or referendum, people could just as easily vote for more bullshit.

While we over here don't agree what the problem is, I don't see any way forward for British people. I'm just expecting more of the same."

It's going to be interesting too see his this is looked back on in ,10,15 years time

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over a year ago

"I expect that if you surveyed the people who actually voted leave. There would be a number who would say that this was not the Brexit they wanted or voted for.

But here is the rub .... This is the Brexit you have got.....

You can blame whoever you like but at the end of the day the blame for this Brexit lies directly with David Cameron and all those voted leave.

Remember actions have consequences and not necessarily the ones you wanted.

We have found common ground here.

It's not necessarily what leave voters wanted or voted for. But, it's what we have so now we have to deal with it. End of.

We do have to deal with it.

You may see a few on here 'celebrating' but the reality is that not many people are celebrating.

I've seen more 'this is your fault' than 'celebrating' on here. Lots more

That's fair point.

I do apportion some blame to leave voters. But most of it needs to go to those who lied to people for years and years, to get what they wanted.

I'm sure some in the media will be revisiting the campaign months of the referendum, and seeing what was said and by whom.

Certainly some need to be examined on their campaign statements.

I think the time for that is well past."

I don't trust the media. Most print media, the government, and the leave campaigns all lied, and are all Pro leave. I have zero faith that any of them will be held accountable.