FabSwingers.com forum: Racism. Left or Right

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So this stems from another thread that has closed.

Does being racist automatically make you right wing?

Does being against racism automatically make you left wing?

I'd like to here your thoughts on this

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Dont have to be nostradamus too see where this is going.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race.

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dont have to be nostradamus too see where this is going."

I'd like to know your thoughts Lionel. Why post if you have nothing of value to add?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. "

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So this stems from another thread that has closed.

Does being racist automatically make you right wing?

Does being against racism automatically make you left wing?

I'd like to here your thoughts on this "

Raciim is generally the hallmark of the far right wing. The more centre right of politics is freedom of speech, individuality, the power of capitalism, smaller government and regulation power. The hallmark of the left wing is actually big government, group identity, revolutionised thought against capitalism, compassion but only for those who fit a certain set of characteristics.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?"

I partly agree however I would say politically speaking racists would be much more at home on the right. I would say a much smaller fraction on the left.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?"

It's because the political spectrum has flipped somehow, nazis (racism) were pro big government and group identity, which is similar to today's left wing, and the anarchists, no government, individual sovereignty were right wing. I'm not sure where the swap happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I partly agree however I would say politically speaking racists would be much more at home on the right. I would say a much smaller fraction on the left. "

Not in China

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Historically right wing ideology is tied up with racism.. as far back as you want to go..the empire, the nazis, Mussolini.the black shirts, the nf, right upto ukip.

The ideas of patriotism and nationalism are often linked with a fear of the outsider and therefore racism.You can see it in our media right upto today.

You can even see it in the debate about cancel culture.

The left have often faught against it and been ridiculed for it..those loony left headlines in the 80s.

When the far right have their days out now,its the left who go out to confront them.

Does that mean everyone in the right is a racist ?

Nope

Does it mean everyone on the left isnt?

Nope.

But generally..racism is a right wing concept.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore."

This is something I posted on the other thread, so many people of colour get seriously vile abuse from the supposed more tolerant side of society if they don't fit directly in the categories that the left defines.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you report this racism ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most importantly, both sides are hallmarked by intolerance, the right, intolerance of another race, the left intolerance of anything that is even marginally to the right of them. Its how people like Joe rogan, Shapiro, peterson etc can be called right wing by the left, none of them are actually right wing but aren't in the tight categories of the modern far left and so can be labelled nazi, racist etc etc and along with that any violence against them and people that follow them can be excused. There were a lot of violent attacks in the US committed on people that went to see Shapiro or peterson talk and invasion of their talks and having their events shut down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour? "

As someone that agrees that racism is interwoven into every institution and that agrees all those institutions need to be destroyed and rebuilt with people of colour leading them to eradicate racism. Unfortunately though, its misguided, using the US as an example, many large cities are run almost entirely by people of colour and things have not improved for anyone, in fact in many places have gotten far worse.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

How many examples of left wing violence have there been in this country against a person?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour?

Why do you keep referencing the US? There racism problems are far worse and different to ours? We live in the UK , not America

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How insular

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour?

Why do you keep referencing the US? There racism problems are far worse and different to ours? We live in the UK , not America "

Because its a good example, you asked a question, I answered. Why do you not provide anything of substance to discussions? Answering questions with questions is a sign that you have no answers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour?

Why do you keep referencing the US? There racism problems are far worse and different to ours? We live in the UK , not America

Because its a good example, you asked a question, I answered. Why do you not provide anything of substance to discussions? Answering questions with questions is a sign that you have no answers. "

I am not interested in what happens in America, their versions of left and right wing are for more proactive and violent than those in the UK. You said that the left wing ‘define ‘ how a person of colour should behave, impersonally think that it a ridiculous statement. Do the right wing also have a different ‘definition’ of how a person of colour behaves?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour?

Why do you keep referencing the US? There racism problems are far worse and different to ours? We live in the UK , not America

Because its a good example, you asked a question, I answered. Why do you not provide anything of substance to discussions? Answering questions with questions is a sign that you have no answers.

I personally think,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

If your a victim of racism I'm not sure whether its left or right wing is going to be your biggest concern. It's vile whoever is doing it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So this stems from another thread that has closed.

Does being racist automatically make you right wing?

Does being against racism automatically make you left wing?

I'd like to here your thoughts on this "

The right wing element on here constantly suggest that any non-racists are "loony lefties" or "radical far left".

I find myself pointing this out on a weekly basis. Not all non-racists are left wing. It's the default position for most humans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If your a victim of racism I'm not sure whether its left or right wing is going to be your biggest concern. It's vile whoever is doing it"

Exactly, a racist is not a left wing or right wing racist, they are a racist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do the left ever call black Tories traitors?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?"

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics."

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull"

Link?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Link?"

FFS

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull"

Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Link?

FFS

What?

I haven't seen it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull"

Does the guardian have an overwhelmingly racist, anti immigrant agenda? I'm assuming it doesn't. It's certainly a shit news paper.

And does this single example somehow indicate that the use of racism is as ubiquitous in the centre, or left as it is on the right wing?

Plus I'm not sure your a good source in this debate. Having stated before that you'd rather be racist than support footballs involved with "no room for racism".

So your assertion that the Guardian printed a racist cartoon, would leave me wondering, do you now think that the Guardian is a paper worth reading.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. "

It was offensive and was rightly condemned ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Link?"

Please?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage.

It was offensive and was rightly condemned , "

Shame they refused to remove it.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage.

It was offensive and was rightly condemned , "

Yeah just reading about it.

Toby young is defending it so that's my mind up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage.

It was offensive and was rightly condemned ,

Shame they refused to remove it. "

They should have done,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour?

Why do you keep referencing the US? There racism problems are far worse and different to ours? We live in the UK , not America

Because its a good example, you asked a question, I answered. Why do you not provide anything of substance to discussions? Answering questions with questions is a sign that you have no answers.

Someone on this thread has given you lived experience of exactly what I'm saying, so is their lived experience a ridiculous statement?? You are doing exactly what we are talking about!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage.

It was offensive and was rightly condemned ,

Shame they refused to remove it. "

I think this exchange is a good example.

One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board.

Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing".

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

Labels are for the masses really or for others and groups who want to particularize or compartmentalize a group different from their own. You need to understand what the power play is to understand why each side should want to do it.

But. Being a Racist is an individuals 'choice'. Whether by education or socialization. As such it's not left or right.

When an individual joins a 'movement' to express that choice to the detriment of others by force or political will then I suppose it can properly be labelled as right or left.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Does the guardian have an overwhelmingly racist, anti immigrant agenda? I'm assuming it doesn't. It's certainly a shit news paper.

And does this single example somehow indicate that the use of racism is as ubiquitous in the centre, or left as it is on the right wing?

Plus I'm not sure your a good source in this debate. Having stated before that you'd rather be racist than support footballs involved with "no room for racism".

So your assertion that the Guardian printed a racist cartoon, would leave me wondering, do you now think that the Guardian is a paper worth reading."

You have misinterpreted my words on racism and football, on purpose no doubt. And no I don't think the Guardian is worth reading. Neither do I think cartoons should be banned. I'm just pointing out left hypocrisy. And yours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage.

It was offensive and was rightly condemned ,

Yeah just reading about it.

Toby young is defending it so that's my mind up."

Ha, then again, if you want to have ‘freedom of speech’ etc and are against ‘silencing’ or ‘cancelling ‘ people then it should be allowed to stay. Many right wingers on here would be appalled to see it being removed

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage.

It was offensive and was rightly condemned ,

Shame they refused to remove it.

I think this exchange is a good example.

One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board.

Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing". "

If this exchange would have been about a right wing cartoon I would have condemned it as well.

But it’s an example of OPs point so was worth mentioning by the poster who brought it up.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage.

It was offensive and was rightly condemned ,

Shame they refused to remove it.

I think this exchange is a good example.

One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board.

Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing". "

Its how the dice are loaded.

How many racist articles have appeared in the sun and the mail down the years.

Yet 1 racist cartoon is evidence of ..they are as bad as each other.

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over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Does the guardian have an overwhelmingly racist, anti immigrant agenda? I'm assuming it doesn't. It's certainly a shit news paper.

And does this single example somehow indicate that the use of racism is as ubiquitous in the centre, or left as it is on the right wing?

Plus I'm not sure your a good source in this debate. Having stated before that you'd rather be racist than support footballs involved with "no room for racism".

So your assertion that the Guardian printed a racist cartoon, would leave me wondering, do you now think that the Guardian is a paper worth reading.

Where's my hypocrisy?

I am against all forms of racism from all racists.

Seems straight forward to me.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter."

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

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over a year ago

Did you report this racism ? "

Of course, but all they do is come back on here with a different profile. I know this because one person used exactly the same phrases on two different profiles. One of those posters is on this thread, but forum rules prevent me from naming them

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? "

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage.

It was offensive and was rightly condemned ,

Shame they refused to remove it.

I think this exchange is a good example.

One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board.

Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing".

If this exchange would have been about a right wing cartoon I would have condemned it as well.

But it’s an example of OPs point so was worth mentioning by the poster who brought it up. "

The exchange started with a "what about a racist cartoon in the guardian" after my point about the right wing using racism as a tool.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Someone is talking shite

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage.

It was offensive and was rightly condemned ,

Shame they refused to remove it.

I think this exchange is a good example.

One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board.

Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing".

If this exchange would have been about a right wing cartoon I would have condemned it as well.

But it’s an example of OPs point so was worth mentioning by the poster who brought it up.

The exchange started with a "what about a racist cartoon in the guardian" after my point about the right wing using racism as a tool."

I can’t keep track of it all. Was a valid point in my opinion considering the op.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Someone is talking shite "

Link?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Someone is talking shite

Link?

Here you go https://www.theguardian.com/uk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage.

It was offensive and was rightly condemned ,

Shame they refused to remove it.

I think this exchange is a good example.

One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board.

Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing".

If this exchange would have been about a right wing cartoon I would have condemned it as well.

But it’s an example of OPs point so was worth mentioning by the poster who brought it up.

The exchange started with a "what about a racist cartoon in the guardian" after my point about the right wing using racism as a tool.

I can’t keep track of it all. Was a valid point in my opinion considering the op.

Definitely valid.

All I'm saying is. The right wingers response to racism in right wing news papers is "what about something else".

The non-right winger response to racism in a centre left news paper is universal condemnation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Someone is talking shite

Link?

That was pretty funny in fairness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf."

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Someone is talking shite

Link?

Here you go https://www.theguardian.com/uk

Yep just saw it.

Toby young is defending it so its definitely racist.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. "

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically”

And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals.

It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right.

That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing.

Are there racist on the right? Absolutely.

Are there racists on the left? Absolutely.

But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?

I agree with you.

I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't.

Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda.

The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc.

Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics.

And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull

Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage.

It was offensive and was rightly condemned ,

Shame they refused to remove it.

I think this exchange is a good example.

One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board.

Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing".

If this exchange would have been about a right wing cartoon I would have condemned it as well.

But it’s an example of OPs point so was worth mentioning by the poster who brought it up.

The exchange started with a "what about a racist cartoon in the guardian" after my point about the right wing using racism as a tool.

I can’t keep track of it all. Was a valid point in my opinion considering the op.

Definitely valid.

All I'm saying is. The right wingers response to racism in right wing news papers is "what about something else".

The non-right winger response to racism in a centre left news paper is universal condemnation."

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Charles Moore from the world beating Telegraph saying that Olivia Coleman has a left wing face, does that count as racism?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Charles Moore from the world beating Telegraph saying that Olivia Coleman has a left wing face, does that count as racism? "

Probably not Racist. But Dickish.

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over a year ago

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist."

Avoiding what I said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Charles Moore from the world beating Telegraph saying that Olivia Coleman has a left wing face, does that count as racism? "

‘A left wing’ face , wtf is that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Charles Moore from the world beating Telegraph saying that Olivia Coleman has a left wing face, does that count as racism?

‘A left wing’ face , wtf is that

Well, you ask Charles Moore. This story hardly made a splash at the time. The guy is still in post, is still doing well for himself with the Telegraph. What a crass and provocative thing to say.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist.

Avoiding what I said. "

Not really.

He didnt just kill groups.

He killed anyone who was a threat.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

Sorry what the OP about again?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist.

Avoiding what I said.

Not really.

He didnt just kill groups.

He killed anyone who was a threat.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist."

The Tatars may disagree.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

as would the Meskhetian Turks

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist.

Avoiding what I said.

Not really.

He didnt just kill groups.

He killed anyone who was a threat.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

The Tatars may disagree. "

Did he just kill them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry what the OP about again?"

That the left are as racist as the right.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist.

Avoiding what I said.

Not really.

He didnt just kill groups.

He killed anyone who was a threat.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

The Tatars may disagree.

Did he just kill them?"

So. To qualify as a Racist you have to kill them?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist.

Avoiding what I said.

Not really.

He didnt just kill groups.

He killed anyone who was a threat.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

The Tatars may disagree.

Did he just kill them?"

More tried to ethnically cleanse them

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

So far we have got a cartoon as evidence

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist.

Avoiding what I said.

Not really.

He didnt just kill groups.

He killed anyone who was a threat.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

The Tatars may disagree.

Did he just kill them?

More tried to ethnically cleanse them "

Wasnt he Jewish?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist.

Avoiding what I said.

Not really.

He didnt just kill groups.

He killed anyone who was a threat.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

The Tatars may disagree.

Did he just kill them?

More tried to ethnically cleanse them

Wasnt he Jewish?"

Getting bizarre now Lionel.

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over a year ago

"as would the Meskhetian Turks"

Stalin killed everyone including his own people, the man was a psychopath

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist.

Avoiding what I said.

Not really.

He didnt just kill groups.

He killed anyone who was a threat.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

The Tatars may disagree.

Did he just kill them?

So. To qualify as a Racist you have to kill them?"

Nope but as he was brought into the debate I'm guessing his record of mass killings would be factored in?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist.

Avoiding what I said.

Not really.

He didnt just kill groups.

He killed anyone who was a threat.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

The Tatars may disagree.

Did he just kill them?

So. To qualify as a Racist you have to kill them?

Nope but as he was brought into the debate I'm guessing his record of mass killings would be factored in?"

When you adopt a policy of ethnic cleansing. That makes you racist in my opinion.

All day long.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist.

Avoiding what I said.

Not really.

He didnt just kill groups.

He killed anyone who was a threat.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

The Tatars may disagree.

Did he just kill them?

More tried to ethnically cleanse them

Wasnt he Jewish?

Getting bizarre now Lionel. "

No..I just remembered I read a book on him ages ago.

He killed millions..he was a psychiatric mass murderer.

Was he a racist.well he certainly wasnt on a par with Hitler.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist.

Avoiding what I said.

Not really.

He didnt just kill groups.

He killed anyone who was a threat.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

The Tatars may disagree.

Did he just kill them?

So. To qualify as a Racist you have to kill them?

Nope but as he was brought into the debate I'm guessing his record of mass killings would be factored in?

When you adopt a policy of ethnic cleansing. That makes you racist in my opinion.

All day long. "

Did he kill Russians?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks

And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter.

I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side?

I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf.

No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class.

He basically killed everyone.

There is no argument there to say he was a racist.

Avoiding what I said.

Not really.

He didnt just kill groups.

He killed anyone who was a threat.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

The Tatars may disagree.

Did he just kill them?

More tried to ethnically cleanse them

Wasnt he Jewish?

Getting bizarre now Lionel.

No..I just remembered I read a book on him ages ago.

He killed millions..he was a psychiatric mass murderer.

Was he a racist.well he certainly wasnt on a par with Hitler."

Well he joined the Orthodox Church for a short while. And I’m really not sure how relevant him being Jewish or not would be?

As I said bizarre turn.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?"

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?"

Who else did he target?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? "

I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stalin isn't representative of the left in Britain today. Anymore than Hitler is representative of the right.

I assume most of us can agree neither were good.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?"

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Stalin isn't representative of the left in Britain today. Anymore than Hitler is representative of the right.

I assume most of us can agree neither were good."

You would think. But someone seems intent on defending his racist policies.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that. "

No you didn't.

You named one group of people.

He didnt just target them did he?

He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stalin isn't representative of the left in Britain today. Anymore than Hitler is representative of the right.

I assume most of us can agree neither were good."

Yes he is, group identity politics is very prevelant in today's left

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that.

No you didn't.

You named one group of people.

He didnt just target them did he?

He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?"

You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Racism is a human condition born out of ignorance,fear and other factors.It has nothing to do with left or right.To think of it in such terms is only totally ignorant in my view.

I find the people that accuse brexiteers of racism are to me ignorant rude and very likely racist themslves.

Racism is a human condition that has existed since the beginning of time and will exist until the end of time sadly.We can cut it out 99% but casn never destroy it

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that.

No you didn't.

You named one group of people.

He didnt just target them did he?

He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?

You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that. "

Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans?

When?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem in the states is institutionalised racism. Alot of major cities are segregated to some degree. Rural areas are more balanced. People trapped in unfairly in systems that clearly do not work. I can explain all I want where we live that I do not see any form of racism. I see black people leaving major cities and figuring out that life can be so much better. Alot voted republican does political affiliation make them racist ? There is opportunity if you desire to seek.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples?

Right, I think I have an idea of what is happening here .

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that.

No you didn't.

You named one group of people.

He didnt just target them did he?

He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?"

If I have to explain to you what a racist is and what a racist policy is then I have neither the time nor the crayons to be able to do so.

Quite astonishing really.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that.

No you didn't.

You named one group of people.

He didnt just target them did he?

He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?

You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that.

Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans?

When?"

Yes as many as 762.000

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that.

No you didn't.

You named one group of people.

He didnt just target them did he?

He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?

If I have to explain to you what a racist is and what a racist policy is then I have neither the time nor the crayons to be able to do so.

Quite astonishing really."

Standard

A man who killed millions of his own race and countryman and put them in camps is a racist.

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that.

No you didn't.

You named one group of people.

He didnt just target them did he?

He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?

You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that.

Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans?

When?"

I think i understand what your saying though Aryans are not the only German people. Killing your own citizens does not detract from killing others purely due to their race. In my opinion anyway

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that.

No you didn't.

You named one group of people.

He didnt just target them did he?

He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?

You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that.

Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans?

When?

Yes as many as 762.000"

When was this exactly?

He wanted to keep the ayran race pure and considered them superman

Why would he kill thousands of them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stalin isn't representative of the left in Britain today. Anymore than Hitler is representative of the right.

I assume most of us can agree neither were good.

Yes he is, group identity politics is very prevelant in today's left"

Which one, Hitler or Stalin?

"Identity politics" gets applied to anyone group who has similar ideals. From being not racist to wanting to not pollute and change the climate of the planet. It's a meaningless accusation.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that.

No you didn't.

You named one group of people.

He didnt just target them did he?

He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?

You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that.

Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans?

When?

I think i understand what your saying though Aryans are not the only German people. Killing your own citizens does not detract from killing others purely due to their race. In my opinion anyway"

He killed germans he didnt consider pure.Jews,slavs etc..it was all done along racial lines.

Stalin didn't discriminate.

He certainly had no thoughts of keeping the russian race pure.He was a psychopath.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that.

No you didn't.

You named one group of people.

He didnt just target them did he?

He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?

You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that.

Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans?

When?

Yes as many as 762.000

When was this exactly?

He wanted to keep the ayran race pure and considered them superman

Why would he kill thousands of them?"

Up until the end of his rein. He slew thousands of people in oppositions against him in the SA for example.

His record against his own people is equally appalling. The quasi political courts in Germany sentenced people in their hundreds to death or forced labour (which was a death sentence) daily.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples?

Right, I think I have an idea of what is happening here .

Please elaborate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples?

Right, I think I have an idea of what is happening here .

Please elaborate."

I can, but I won’t . I think you can appreciate where I am coming from .

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples?

Right, I think I have an idea of what is happening here .

Please elaborate.

I can, but I won’t . I think you can appreciate where I am coming from . "

I don’t? What’s going on

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that.

No you didn't.

You named one group of people.

He didnt just target them did he?

He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?

You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that.

Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans?

When?

I think i understand what your saying though Aryans are not the only German people. Killing your own citizens does not detract from killing others purely due to their race. In my opinion anyway

He killed germans he didnt consider pure.Jews,slavs etc..it was all done along racial lines.

Stalin didn't discriminate.

He certainly had no thoughts of keeping the russian race pure.He was a psychopath. "

As I say I understand what your saying though has to be said Hitler did not just kill people he considered non German he would kill anyone that was a threat to him regardless of how pure a German they were. Much the same as starlin. Both animals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the problem overall in society is discrimination. We all know that discriminating based on race is despicable. Period. There are however forms of discrimination that are deemed as acceptable in large parts of society, class and wealth especially and those two types of discrimination are widely aimed at a few races that are deemed more succesful, therefore dragging in a racist element.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples?

Right, I think I have an idea of what is happening here .

Please elaborate.

I can, but I won’t . I think you can appreciate where I am coming from .

I don’t? What’s going on"

I can’t say on here,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that.

No you didn't.

You named one group of people.

He didnt just target them did he?

He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?

You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that.

Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans?

When?

I think i understand what your saying though Aryans are not the only German people. Killing your own citizens does not detract from killing others purely due to their race. In my opinion anyway

He killed germans he didnt consider pure.Jews,slavs etc..it was all done along racial lines.

Stalin didn't discriminate.

He certainly had no thoughts of keeping the russian race pure.He was a psychopath.

I'm not defending him but to.me a racist who someone who discriminates against 1 group.of people.

Hitler and jews for example

Stalin just killed everyone.

He put millions of his own countrymen in camps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples?

If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?

I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.

I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m sure that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.

Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist.

Let's just set this straight:

Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing.

Is that all that he did?

Did he kill Russians?

Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did?

Who else did he target?

You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was.

I'm answering that.

No you didn't.

You named one group of people.

He didnt just target them did he?

He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?

You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that.

Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans?

When?

I think i understand what your saying though Aryans are not the only German people. Killing your own citizens does not detract from killing others purely due to their race. In my opinion anyway

He killed germans he didnt consider pure.Jews,slavs etc..it was all done along racial lines.

Stalin didn't discriminate.

He certainly had no thoughts of keeping the russian race pure.He was a psychopath.

I'm not defending him but to.me a racist who someone who discriminates against 1 group.of people.

Hitler and jews for example

Stalin just killed everyone.

He put millions of his own countrymen in camps."

I think it’s very binary to think along those lines.

I would look for the reasons he did such things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples?

If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?

I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.

I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.

Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us "

Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression.

I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples?

If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?

I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.

I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.

Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us

I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me. "

My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

One last try . . .

Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons.

1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia.

2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy.

It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples?

If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?

I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.

I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.

Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us

I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me. "

And if it is right, it's fucking disgusting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All this debate on Hitler and stalin falls into genocide catagory. It was ideology that created the genocide acts.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples?

If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?

I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.

I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.

Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us

I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.

My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin. "

I remember the words “Uncle Tom” being used. And that person no longer posts in the forums.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One last try . . .

Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons.

1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia.

It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'.

Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples?

If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?

I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.

I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.

Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us

I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.

My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin. "

Not necessarily. There's a lot of shit that goes unchecked on here.

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over a year ago

"All this debate on Hitler and stalin falls into genocide catagory. It was ideology that created the genocide acts."

I'm not sure how we got side tracked to this.

It was an interesting debate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples?

If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?

I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.

I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.

Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us

I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.

My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin.

I remember the words “Uncle Tom” being used. And that person no longer posts in the forums. "

Then that person has rightly been banned and he accusation that he is still on here is false