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"She said that Britain is like a speedboat while Brussels is "more of a tanker" Not exactly news to many of us I know. "She probally means a speedboat heading to disaster tbf | |||
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"She said that Britain is like a speedboat while Brussels is "more of a tanker" Not exactly news to many of us I know.
She probally means a speedboat heading to disaster tbf"Tanker crashes are much, much worse | |||
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"She said that Britain is like a speedboat while Brussels is "more of a tanker" Not exactly news to many of us I know.
She probally means a speedboat heading to disaster tbf"Do reality and facts become do much for you to handle? | |||
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"She said that Britain is like a speedboat while Brussels is "more of a tanker" Not exactly news to many of us I know.
She probally means a speedboat heading to disaster tbf"or a tanker heading for the rocks either way who gives a fook what she says | |||
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"She said that Britain is like a speedboat while Brussels is "more of a tanker" Not exactly news to many of us I know.
She probally means a speedboat heading to disaster tbfDo reality and facts become do much for you to handle?" | |||
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"She said that Britain is like a speedboat while Brussels is "more of a tanker" Not exactly news to many of us I know.
She probally means a speedboat heading to disaster tbfor a tanker heading for the rocks either way who gives a fook what she says "The OP does, he obviously hangs on here every word | |||
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"She said that Britain is like a speedboat while Brussels is "more of a tanker" Not exactly news to many of us I know. " | |||
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"She said that Britain is like a speedboat while Brussels is "more of a tanker" Not exactly news to many of us I know. "True, speedboats are tiny, insignificant little boats, Tankers are huge , massive, powerful vessels | |||
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"She said that Britain is like a speedboat while Brussels is "more of a tanker" Not exactly news to many of us I know.
True, speedboats are tiny, insignificant little boats, Tankers are huge , massive, powerful vessels "You wouldn't get that story past dozens of tankers that were high-jacked in the Arabian Sea or the American Warships that were attacked in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden. | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done. "Using EU legislation..... | |||
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" True, speedboats are tiny, insignificant little boats, Tankers are huge , massive, powerful vessels
You wouldn't get that story past dozens of tankers that were high-jacked in the Arabian sea or the American Warships that we attacked in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden."Would you transport 1000s of tonnes of cargo on a speed boat ? Would you transport 1000s of people on a speed boat? When it come to global trade would you prefer to be a tanker or a speedboat? | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation..... "Winging it there lol. Not even close. | |||
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"And Jean Claude Juncker added: "I think it all went too slowly. It all wasn't done with maximum transparency" Again, tell us something we don't know about Brussels "Tbh, Juncker is probably a bit d*unk on all the champagne and lobster we are buying him  | |||
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"And Jean Claude Juncker added: "I think it all went too slowly. It all wasn't done with maximum transparency" Again, tell us something we don't know about Brussels "A politician being honest? Never catch on here. | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close."We haven’t made a single new trade deal . | |||
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" True, speedboats are tiny, insignificant little boats, Tankers are huge , massive, powerful vessels
You wouldn't get that story past dozens of tankers that were high-jacked in the Arabian sea or the American Warships that we attacked in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.
Would you transport 1000s of tonnes of cargo on a speed boat ? Would you transport 1000s of people on a speed boat? When it come to global trade would you prefer to be a tanker or a speedboat? "And there the metaphor falls apart, because her metaphor was actually about the ability to move quickly in a Nationality State than it is to move in a Federal State. | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal . "And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.  | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb. "The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew  | |||
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" True, speedboats are tiny, insignificant little boats, Tankers are huge , massive, powerful vessels
You wouldn't get that story past dozens of tankers that were high-jacked in the Arabian sea or the American Warships that we attacked in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.
Would you transport 1000s of tonnes of cargo on a speed boat ? Would you transport 1000s of people on a speed boat? When it come to global trade would you prefer to be a tanker or a speedboat?
And there the metaphor falls apart, because her metaphor was actually about the ability to move quickly in a Nationality State than it is to move in a Federal State."Wow, you can read her mind. Tbh you are correct, when it comes to the vaccine they have been very slow, but then again, it is easier to vaccinate a tiny island compared to a huge collection of countries | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew "so if we have a deal with the eu and get lots more deals isn’t that good for the U.K. bud or are ya going to find fault with that ? | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew "Wrong - Some are continuation most are enhanced with WTO additions and have actually increased the £/$/Yen value. | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew
Wrong - Some are continuation most are enhanced with WTO additions and have actually increased the £/$/Yen value."Which ones are you referring too? | |||
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" True, speedboats are tiny, insignificant little boats, Tankers are huge , massive, powerful vessels
You wouldn't get that story past dozens of tankers that were high-jacked in the Arabian sea or the American Warships that we attacked in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.
Would you transport 1000s of tonnes of cargo on a speed boat ? Would you transport 1000s of people on a speed boat? When it come to global trade would you prefer to be a tanker or a speedboat?
And there the metaphor falls apart, because her metaphor was actually about the ability to move quickly in a Nationality State than it is to move in a Federal State.
Wow, you can read her mind. Tbh you are correct, when it comes to the vaccine they have been very slow, but then again, it is easier to vaccinate a tiny island compared to a huge collection of countries "of course it’s easier to vaccinate one country than 27 how many millions as the eu vaccinated ? | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew so if we have a deal with the eu and get lots more deals isn’t that good for the U.K. bud or are ya going to find fault with that ?"We spent over £120 billion leaving the EU, we didn’t do that to get the same desks as we had before? We will have to get better deals just to break even in 20 years | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew
Wrong - Some are continuation most are enhanced with WTO additions and have actually increased the £/$/Yen value.
Which ones are you referring too? "I have posted them about 7 times . . . oddly non of the Remainers decided to go read them . . .they are all very easy to find . . . if you are going to spout the sky is falling go prove it - I've already done it the other ways around. | |||
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" True, speedboats are tiny, insignificant little boats, Tankers are huge , massive, powerful vessels
You wouldn't get that story past dozens of tankers that were high-jacked in the Arabian sea or the American Warships that we attacked in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.
Would you transport 1000s of tonnes of cargo on a speed boat ? Would you transport 1000s of people on a speed boat? When it come to global trade would you prefer to be a tanker or a speedboat?
And there the metaphor falls apart, because her metaphor was actually about the ability to move quickly in a Nationality State than it is to move in a Federal State.
Wow, you can read her mind. Tbh you are correct, when it comes to the vaccine they have been very slow, but then again, it is easier to vaccinate a tiny island compared to a huge collection of countries of course it’s easier to vaccinate one country than 27 how many millions as the eu vaccinated ?"Tbh I don’t know, it’s no where near enough, the vaccine roll out is a marathon not a spring though, we need the whole world vaccinated before we can relax | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew
Wrong - Some are continuation most are enhanced with WTO additions and have actually increased the £/$/Yen value.
Which ones are you referring too?
I have posted them about 7 times . . . oddly non of the Remainers decided to go read them . . .they are all very easy to find . . . if you are going to spout the sky is falling go prove it - I've already
done it the other ways around."Post them again please | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew so if we have a deal with the eu and get lots more deals isn’t that good for the U.K. bud or are ya going to find fault with that ?
We spent over £120 billion leaving the EU, we didn’t do that to get the same desks as we had before? We will have to get better deals just to break even in 20 years "is 20yrs a fact or yr best guess ? | |||
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" True, speedboats are tiny, insignificant little boats, Tankers are huge , massive, powerful vessels
You wouldn't get that story past dozens of tankers that were high-jacked in the Arabian sea or the American Warships that we attacked in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.
Would you transport 1000s of tonnes of cargo on a speed boat ? Would you transport 1000s of people on a speed boat? When it come to global trade would you prefer to be a tanker or a speedboat?
And there the metaphor falls apart, because her metaphor was actually about the ability to move quickly in a Nationality State than it is to move in a Federal State.
Wow, you can read her mind. Tbh you are correct, when it comes to the vaccine they have been very slow, but then again, it is easier to vaccinate a tiny island compared to a huge collection of countries of course it’s easier to vaccinate one country than 27 how many millions as the eu vaccinated ?
Tbh I don’t know, it’s no where near enough, the vaccine roll out is a marathon not a spring though, we need the whole world vaccinated before we can relax "Indeed we do and with the way the French are behaving with regard to not wanting to have the vaccine it will be a while before they do even if they have all the vaccines they need. | |||
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" True, speedboats are tiny, insignificant little boats, Tankers are huge , massive, powerful vessels
You wouldn't get that story past dozens of tankers that were high-jacked in the Arabian sea or the American Warships that we attacked in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.
Would you transport 1000s of tonnes of cargo on a speed boat ? Would you transport 1000s of people on a speed boat? When it come to global trade would you prefer to be a tanker or a speedboat?
And there the metaphor falls apart, because her metaphor was actually about the ability to move quickly in a Nationality State than it is to move in a Federal State.
Wow, you can read her mind. Tbh you are correct, when it comes to the vaccine they have been very slow, but then again, it is easier to vaccinate a tiny island compared to a huge collection of countries of course it’s easier to vaccinate one country than 27 how many millions as the eu vaccinated ?
Tbh I don’t know, it’s no where near enough, the vaccine roll out is a marathon not a spring though, we need the whole world vaccinated before we can relax "we do need the whole world vaccinated but the U.K. ASAP as that’s where we live amd work | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew so if we have a deal with the eu and get lots more deals isn’t that good for the U.K. bud or are ya going to find fault with that ?
We spent over £120 billion leaving the EU, we didn’t do that to get the same desks as we had before? We will have to get better deals just to break even in 20 years is 20yrs a fact or yr best guess ?"Tbh it’s a guess based on £6 billion a year , | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew so if we have a deal with the eu and get lots more deals isn’t that good for the U.K. bud or are ya going to find fault with that ?
We spent over £120 billion leaving the EU, we didn’t do that to get the same desks as we had before? We will have to get better deals just to break even in 20 years is 20yrs a fact or yr best guess ?
Tbh it’s a guess based on £6 billion a year , "ok so I won’t put any money on it then lol | |||
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" True, speedboats are tiny, insignificant little boats, Tankers are huge , massive, powerful vessels
You wouldn't get that story past dozens of tankers that were high-jacked in the Arabian sea or the American Warships that we attacked in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.
Would you transport 1000s of tonnes of cargo on a speed boat ? Would you transport 1000s of people on a speed boat? When it come to global trade would you prefer to be a tanker or a speedboat?
And there the metaphor falls apart, because her metaphor was actually about the ability to move quickly in a Nationality State than it is to move in a Federal State.
Wow, you can read her mind. Tbh you are correct, when it comes to the vaccine they have been very slow, but then again, it is easier to vaccinate a tiny island compared to a huge collection of countries of course it’s easier to vaccinate one country than 27 how many millions as the eu vaccinated ?
Tbh I don’t know, it’s no where near enough, the vaccine roll out is a marathon not a spring though, we need the whole world vaccinated before we can relax we do need the whole world vaccinated but the U.K. ASAP as that’s where we live amd work "I agree, but if COVID continues to mutate and developes a strain that bypasses the vaccines then we are back to square one again. It’s good that the UK are going well but it needs to be a global effort | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew so if we have a deal with the eu and get lots more deals isn’t that good for the U.K. bud or are ya going to find fault with that ?
We spent over £120 billion leaving the EU, we didn’t do that to get the same desks as we had before? We will have to get better deals just to break even in 20 years is 20yrs a fact or yr best guess ?
Tbh it’s a guess based on £6 billion a year , ok so I won’t put any money on it then lol"It could take longer, we need trade deals that are worth more than what we previously had, otherwise that £120 billion will never get paid off (not to mention the huge interests on it) | |||
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"Work your way through these . . . Click each country link in turn to see what part is new and what part is continuation and what part is a derivative of all. News deals have also been agreed with Canada and Mexico. The government says these will start "in early 2021". The UK is also seeking membership of the Pan Asian Bloc. Before Brexit, the UK was automatically part of any trade deal the EU reached with other countries. When the UK left, the EU had about 40 trade deals covering more than 70 countries. So far, the UK has made deals to continue trading in the same way with 60 of these countries. The other 10 are in process." We have 60 that are the same ? And another 10 are in process? Where are the ones that are better? | |||
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" It could take longer, we need trade deals that are worth more than what we previously had, otherwise that £120 billion will never get paid off (not to mention the huge interests on it) " There isn't any interest on what we still owe the EU. These formed contracts and commitments to things like pensions before we left. These are also paid each year as we would have done if still a member - we had this conversation before. | |||
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"Work your way through these . . . Click each country link in turn to see what part is new and what part is continuation and what part is a derivative of all. News deals have also been agreed with Canada and Mexico. The government says these will start "in early 2021". The UK is also seeking membership of the Pan Asian Bloc. Before Brexit, the UK was automatically part of any trade deal the EU reached with other countries. When the UK left, the EU had about 40 trade deals covering more than 70 countries. So far, the UK has made deals to continue trading in the same way with 60 of these countries. The other 10 are in process. We have 60 that are the same ? And another 10 are in process? Where are the ones that are better? " Read through the links - we can now add WTO rules to each of those agreements. | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew so if we have a deal with the eu and get lots more deals isn’t that good for the U.K. bud or are ya going to find fault with that ?
We spent over £120 billion leaving the EU, we didn’t do that to get the same desks as we had before? We will have to get better deals just to break even in 20 years is 20yrs a fact or yr best guess ?
Tbh it’s a guess based on £6 billion a year , ok so I won’t put any money on it then lol
It could take longer, we need trade deals that are worth more than what we previously had, otherwise that £120 billion will never get paid off (not to mention the huge interests on it) "Is it now 120 billion? Normally we get quoted 200 billion although some remainers have said as little as 40 billion. Hope people aren't just making numbers up as they go | |||
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" It could take longer, we need trade deals that are worth more than what we previously had, otherwise that £120 billion will never get paid off (not to mention the huge interests on it) There isn't any interest on what we still owe the EU. These formed contracts and commitments to things like pensions before we left. These are also paid each year as we would have done if still a member - we had this conversation before." The £120 billion is the cost to our economy for leaving the EU, the £20 billion is the money we owe the EU , 2 separate totals . The £120 billion will have been paid for by loans adding to our debt, this will accrue interest | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew so if we have a deal with the eu and get lots more deals isn’t that good for the U.K. bud or are ya going to find fault with that ?
We spent over £120 billion leaving the EU, we didn’t do that to get the same desks as we had before? We will have to get better deals just to break even in 20 years is 20yrs a fact or yr best guess ?
Tbh it’s a guess based on £6 billion a year , ok so I won’t put any money on it then lol
It could take longer, we need trade deals that are worth more than what we previously had, otherwise that £120 billion will never get paid off (not to mention the huge interests on it)
Is it now 120 billion? Normally we get quoted 200 billion although some remainers have said as little as 40 billion.
Hope people aren't just making numbers up as they go "120 is between 40 & 200 billion,  | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew so if we have a deal with the eu and get lots more deals isn’t that good for the U.K. bud or are ya going to find fault with that ?
We spent over £120 billion leaving the EU, we didn’t do that to get the same desks as we had before? We will have to get better deals just to break even in 20 years is 20yrs a fact or yr best guess ?
Tbh it’s a guess based on £6 billion a year , ok so I won’t put any money on it then lol
It could take longer, we need trade deals that are worth more than what we previously had, otherwise that £120 billion will never get paid off (not to mention the huge interests on it)
Is it now 120 billion? Normally we get quoted 200 billion although some remainers have said as little as 40 billion.
Hope people aren't just making numbers up as they go
120 is between 40 & 200 billion, "So er 120 billion with error bars of 80 billion each way? Seems like a pretty wide margin there. Like someone claiming a 12 inch cock with an 8 inch error bar. | |||
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""Originally, the settlement was estimated to be about £39bn, but a lot of that was paid as the UK's regular contributions to the EU budget. From January 2021, there was about £25bn left to pay by 2057, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), almost £18bn of which will be paid in the first five years." Easy to find." Again, your getting confused, the cost of leaving the EU isn’t just about the amount we owe the EU, try google, easy to find | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew so if we have a deal with the eu and get lots more deals isn’t that good for the U.K. bud or are ya going to find fault with that ?
We spent over £120 billion leaving the EU, we didn’t do that to get the same desks as we had before? We will have to get better deals just to break even in 20 years is 20yrs a fact or yr best guess ?
Tbh it’s a guess based on £6 billion a year , ok so I won’t put any money on it then lol
It could take longer, we need trade deals that are worth more than what we previously had, otherwise that £120 billion will never get paid off (not to mention the huge interests on it)
Is it now 120 billion? Normally we get quoted 200 billion although some remainers have said as little as 40 billion.
Hope people aren't just making numbers up as they go
120 is between 40 & 200 billion,
So er 120 billion with error bars of 80 billion each way?
Seems like a pretty wide margin there.
Like someone claiming a 12 inch cock with an 8 inch error bar. "You set the parameters at 40 & 200 billion, care to give us a more accurate figure that reflects those numbers? | |||
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" Again, your getting confused, the cost of leaving the EU isn’t just about the amount we owe the EU, try google, easy to find "Then show us those figures? What did we pay for? Exclude the EU divorce Bill from your figures please. | |||
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" Again, your getting confused, the cost of leaving the EU isn’t just about the amount we owe the EU, try google, easy to find
Then show us those figures? What did we pay for? Exclude the EU divorce Bill from your figures please."Bloomberg claims it is £200 billion. Of course these figures can’t be 100 % accurate, hopefully you can counter this figure with another study ? | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew so if we have a deal with the eu and get lots more deals isn’t that good for the U.K. bud or are ya going to find fault with that ?
We spent over £120 billion leaving the EU, we didn’t do that to get the same desks as we had before? We will have to get better deals just to break even in 20 years is 20yrs a fact or yr best guess ?
Tbh it’s a guess based on £6 billion a year , ok so I won’t put any money on it then lol
It could take longer, we need trade deals that are worth more than what we previously had, otherwise that £120 billion will never get paid off (not to mention the huge interests on it)
Is it now 120 billion? Normally we get quoted 200 billion although some remainers have said as little as 40 billion.
Hope people aren't just making numbers up as they go
120 is between 40 & 200 billion,
So er 120 billion with error bars of 80 billion each way?
Seems like a pretty wide margin there.
Like someone claiming a 12 inch cock with an 8 inch error bar.
You set the parameters at 40 & 200 billion, care to give us a more accurate figure that reflects those numbers? "They're the numbers that various remainers have quoted over the past few months. I however put the figure at plus 9 billion a year in brexit empire benefits. | |||
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" Again, your getting confused, the cost of leaving the EU isn’t just about the amount we owe the EU, try google, easy to find
Then show us those figures? What did we pay for? Exclude the EU divorce Bill from your figures please.
Bloomberg claims it is £200 billion. Of course these figures can’t be 100 % accurate, hopefully you can counter this figure with another study ?
"Debunked many times on this forum via fullfact.org | |||
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"That Tanker f*cked up vaccine delivery in the EU - slow and cumbersome. This little speedboat sped through and got the deal done.
Using EU legislation.....
Winging it there lol. Not even close.
We haven’t made a single new trade deal .
And there was me posting 27 signed deals (including the EU one which is re-signed and about a dozen other in various stages of process. But I suppose you will absorb what suits you to absorb.
The clue is in the word ‘new’, all the deals are continuation deals, nothing mew so if we have a deal with the eu and get lots more deals isn’t that good for the U.K. bud or are ya going to find fault with that ?
We spent over £120 billion leaving the EU, we didn’t do that to get the same desks as we had before? We will have to get better deals just to break even in 20 years is 20yrs a fact or yr best guess ?
Tbh it’s a guess based on £6 billion a year , ok so I won’t put any money on it then lol
It could take longer, we need trade deals that are worth more than what we previously had, otherwise that £120 billion will never get paid off (not to mention the huge interests on it)
Is it now 120 billion? Normally we get quoted 200 billion although some remainers have said as little as 40 billion.
Hope people aren't just making numbers up as they go
120 is between 40 & 200 billion,
So er 120 billion with error bars of 80 billion each way?
Seems like a pretty wide margin there.
Like someone claiming a 12 inch cock with an 8 inch error bar.
You set the parameters at 40 & 200 billion, care to give us a more accurate figure that reflects those numbers?
They're the numbers that various remainers have quoted over the past few months.
I however put the figure at plus 9 billion a year in brexit empire benefits. "The IFS said it had cost at least £100 billion https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp So Chris from fabswingers knows more than Bloomberg and the IFS? | |||
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" Again, your getting confused, the cost of leaving the EU isn’t just about the amount we owe the EU, try google, easy to find
Then show us those figures? What did we pay for? Exclude the EU divorce Bill from your figures please.
Bloomberg claims it is £200 billion. Of course these figures can’t be 100 % accurate, hopefully you can counter this figure with another study ?
"There was lots of talk before Brexit was done and signed that if we didn't get the deal or if we couldn't convert previous agreements to continuance agreements then UK PLC would lose X Billion this or X Billion that. But we did get the deal signed, and we have converted those deals to WTO and various others. So much of what you have read has been a big 'What If?' | |||
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" Again, your getting confused, the cost of leaving the EU isn’t just about the amount we owe the EU, try google, easy to find
Then show us those figures? What did we pay for? Exclude the EU divorce Bill from your figures please.
Bloomberg claims it is £200 billion. Of course these figures can’t be 100 % accurate, hopefully you can counter this figure with another study ?
Debunked many times on this forum via fullfact.org"Show me where they ‘debunked ‘ the IMFs forecast ? | |||
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" The IFS said it had cost at least £100 billion https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp " See . . . that article was 8 Oct 2019 | |||
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" Again, your getting confused, the cost of leaving the EU isn’t just about the amount we owe the EU, try google, easy to find
Then show us those figures? What did we pay for? Exclude the EU divorce Bill from your figures please.
Bloomberg claims it is £200 billion. Of course these figures can’t be 100 % accurate, hopefully you can counter this figure with another study ?
There was lots of talk before Brexit was done and signed that if we didn't get the deal or if we couldn't convert previous agreements to continuance agreements then UK PLC would lose X Billion this or X Billion that. But we did get the deal signed, and we have converted those deals to WTO and various others. So much of what you have read has been a big 'What If?'
"Again, your completely missing the point, these totals were based up to and including 2020, everything after then isn’t accounted for. I am happy to be proved wrong if you have a credible source that shows that the total is far less | |||
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" The IFS said it had cost at least £100 billion https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp See . . . that article was 8 Oct 2019" And the forecast was only up to 2020 | |||
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" Again, your getting confused, the cost of leaving the EU isn’t just about the amount we owe the EU, try google, easy to find
Then show us those figures? What did we pay for? Exclude the EU divorce Bill from your figures please.
Bloomberg claims it is £200 billion. Of course these figures can’t be 100 % accurate, hopefully you can counter this figure with another study ?
There was lots of talk before Brexit was done and signed that if we didn't get the deal or if we couldn't convert previous agreements to continuance agreements then UK PLC would lose X Billion this or X Billion that. But we did get the deal signed, and we have converted those deals to WTO and various others. So much of what you have read has been a big 'What If?'
Again, your completely missing the point, these totals were based up to and including 2020, everything after then isn’t accounted for. I am happy to be proved wrong if you have a credible source that shows that the total is far less "I'm not going to try and debunk your idea of what you think it is - show me actually what it is in figures (not someone's opinion of what they think it is). | |||
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" The IFS said it had cost at least £100 billion https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp See . . . that article was 8 Oct 2019" And this one, based on the total up to 2019 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cost-economy-deal-boris-johnson-withdrawal-agreement-nhs-a9157461.html%3famp | |||
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" Again, your getting confused, the cost of leaving the EU isn’t just about the amount we owe the EU, try google, easy to find
Then show us those figures? What did we pay for? Exclude the EU divorce Bill from your figures please.
Bloomberg claims it is £200 billion. Of course these figures can’t be 100 % accurate, hopefully you can counter this figure with another study ?
There was lots of talk before Brexit was done and signed that if we didn't get the deal or if we couldn't convert previous agreements to continuance agreements then UK PLC would lose X Billion this or X Billion that. But we did get the deal signed, and we have converted those deals to WTO and various others. So much of what you have read has been a big 'What If?'
Again, your completely missing the point, these totals were based up to and including 2020, everything after then isn’t accounted for. I am happy to be proved wrong if you have a credible source that shows that the total is far less
I'm not going to try and debunk your idea of what you think it is - show me actually what it is in figures (not someone's opinion of what they think it is).
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" The IFS said it had cost at least £100 billion https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp See . . . that article was 8 Oct 2019 And the forecast was only up to 2020 "Forecast not actual cost | |||
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" Again, your getting confused, the cost of leaving the EU isn’t just about the amount we owe the EU, try google, easy to find
Then show us those figures? What did we pay for? Exclude the EU divorce Bill from your figures please.
Bloomberg claims it is £200 billion. Of course these figures can’t be 100 % accurate, hopefully you can counter this figure with another study ?
There was lots of talk before Brexit was done and signed that if we didn't get the deal or if we couldn't convert previous agreements to continuance agreements then UK PLC would lose X Billion this or X Billion that. But we did get the deal signed, and we have converted those deals to WTO and various others. So much of what you have read has been a big 'What If?'
Again, your completely missing the point, these totals were based up to and including 2020, everything after then isn’t accounted for. I am happy to be proved wrong if you have a credible source that shows that the total is far less
I'm not going to try and debunk your idea of what you think it is - show me actually what it is in figures (not someone's opinion of what they think it is).
I have shown you 3 links "All forecasts - not actual costs. | |||
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" The IFS said it had cost at least £100 billion https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp See . . . that article was 8 Oct 2019 And the forecast was only up to 2020
Forecast not actual cost"Ah, so we can’t rely an ‘any kind ‘ of forecasts now or in the future? You don’t believe Bloomsburg or the IMF, so you must have a very reliable source that isn’t a forecast that shows that their numbers are incorrect | |||
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" Again, your getting confused, the cost of leaving the EU isn’t just about the amount we owe the EU, try google, easy to find
Then show us those figures? What did we pay for? Exclude the EU divorce Bill from your figures please.
Bloomberg claims it is £200 billion. Of course these figures can’t be 100 % accurate, hopefully you can counter this figure with another study ?
There was lots of talk before Brexit was done and signed that if we didn't get the deal or if we couldn't convert previous agreements to continuance agreements then UK PLC would lose X Billion this or X Billion that. But we did get the deal signed, and we have converted those deals to WTO and various others. So much of what you have read has been a big 'What If?'
Again, your completely missing the point, these totals were based up to and including 2020, everything after then isn’t accounted for. I am happy to be proved wrong if you have a credible source that shows that the total is far less
I'm not going to try and debunk your idea of what you think it is - show me actually what it is in figures (not someone's opinion of what they think it is).
I have shown you 3 links
All forecasts - not actual costs. "Do you have the actual cost or maybe a forecast that proves their figures are incorrect? | |||
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" The IFS said it had cost at least £100 billion https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp See . . . that article was 8 Oct 2019 And the forecast was only up to 2020
Forecast not actual cost
Ah, so we can’t rely an ‘any kind ‘ of forecasts now or in the future? You don’t believe Bloomsburg or the IMF, so you must have a very reliable source that isn’t a forecast that shows that their numbers are incorrect "IMF has been wrong on so many occasions they have been criticised heavily for downgrading economic forecasts. CER is Pro European. Bloomberg is just a news organisation when all said and done. No you most definitely can not rely on forecasts. You can use them to guide a policy direction. You can use them to most definitely tell you not to set a policy direction. But in all cases you make a choice. And just as often the reality never matches the forecast. | |||
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" The IFS said it had cost at least £100 billion https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp See . . . that article was 8 Oct 2019 And the forecast was only up to 2020
Forecast not actual cost
Ah, so we can’t rely an ‘any kind ‘ of forecasts now or in the future? You don’t believe Bloomsburg or the IMF, so you must have a very reliable source that isn’t a forecast that shows that their numbers are incorrect
IMF has been wrong on so many occasions they have been criticised heavily for downgrading economic forecasts.
CER is Pro European.
Bloomberg is just a news organisation when all said and done.
No you most definitely can not rely on forecasts. You can use them to guide a policy direction. You can use them to most definitely tell you not to set a policy direction. But in all cases you make a choice. And just as often the reality never matches the forecast.
"I see, so what is your Brexit cost calculation? How about looking at the UKs national debt, it increased by 227 billion from July 2019 to July 2020, I realise that 4 months of that was due to the pandemic but that is still a huge increase | |||
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" The IFS said it had cost at least £100 billion https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp See . . . that article was 8 Oct 2019 And the forecast was only up to 2020
Forecast not actual cost
Ah, so we can’t rely an ‘any kind ‘ of forecasts now or in the future? You don’t believe Bloomsburg or the IMF, so you must have a very reliable source that isn’t a forecast that shows that their numbers are incorrect
IMF has been wrong on so many occasions they have been criticised heavily for downgrading economic forecasts.
CER is Pro European.
Bloomberg is just a news organisation when all said and done.
No you most definitely can not rely on forecasts. You can use them to guide a policy direction. You can use them to most definitely tell you not to set a policy direction. But in all cases you make a choice. And just as often the reality never matches the forecast.
"What about the Bank of England ? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-cost-uk-economy-bank-england-jan-vlieghe-economist-a8779171.html%3famp They state we were losing £800 a week up to feb 2019 | |||
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" The IFS said it had cost at least £100 billion https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp See . . . that article was 8 Oct 2019 And the forecast was only up to 2020
Forecast not actual cost
Ah, so we can’t rely an ‘any kind ‘ of forecasts now or in the future? You don’t believe Bloomsburg or the IMF, so you must have a very reliable source that isn’t a forecast that shows that their numbers are incorrect
IMF has been wrong on so many occasions they have been criticised heavily for downgrading economic forecasts.
CER is Pro European.
Bloomberg is just a news organisation when all said and done.
No you most definitely can not rely on forecasts. You can use them to guide a policy direction. You can use them to most definitely tell you not to set a policy direction. But in all cases you make a choice. And just as often the reality never matches the forecast.
What about the Bank of England ?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-cost-uk-economy-bank-england-jan-vlieghe-economist-a8779171.html%3famp
They state we were losing £800 a week up to feb 2019 "It was still a forecast - and no proven figures as to the outcome of that forecast. The BOE also predict a rapid upturn in the economy this week - way above previous expectations - naming two factors - 1. Deal Done. 2. Covid Pent-up Spending. Isn't that funny I told a story here before the current lockdown (October) about a friend who runs a Renault dealership, and he said he couldn't wait for the new lockdown because post covid pent-up spending was through the roof last time. Far above their regular figures. | |||
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" The IFS said it had cost at least £100 billion https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp See . . . that article was 8 Oct 2019 And the forecast was only up to 2020
Forecast not actual cost
Ah, so we can’t rely an ‘any kind ‘ of forecasts now or in the future? You don’t believe Bloomsburg or the IMF, so you must have a very reliable source that isn’t a forecast that shows that their numbers are incorrect
IMF has been wrong on so many occasions they have been criticised heavily for downgrading economic forecasts.
CER is Pro European.
Bloomberg is just a news organisation when all said and done.
No you most definitely can not rely on forecasts. You can use them to guide a policy direction. You can use them to most definitely tell you not to set a policy direction. But in all cases you make a choice. And just as often the reality never matches the forecast.
What about the Bank of England ?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-cost-uk-economy-bank-england-jan-vlieghe-economist-a8779171.html%3famp
They state we were losing £800 a week up to feb 2019
It was still a forecast - and no proven figures as to the outcome of that forecast.
The BOE also predict a rapid upturn in the economy this week - way above previous expectations - naming two factors - 1. Deal Done. 2. Covid Pent-up Spending.
Isn't that funny I told a story here before the current lockdown (October) about a friend who runs a Renault dealership, and he said he couldn't wait for the new lockdown because post covid pent-up spending was through the roof last time. Far above their regular figures.
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" The IFS said it had cost at least £100 billion https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp See . . . that article was 8 Oct 2019 And the forecast was only up to 2020
Forecast not actual cost
Ah, so we can’t rely an ‘any kind ‘ of forecasts now or in the future? You don’t believe Bloomsburg or the IMF, so you must have a very reliable source that isn’t a forecast that shows that their numbers are incorrect
IMF has been wrong on so many occasions they have been criticised heavily for downgrading economic forecasts.
CER is Pro European.
Bloomberg is just a news organisation when all said and done.
No you most definitely can not rely on forecasts. You can use them to guide a policy direction. You can use them to most definitely tell you not to set a policy direction. But in all cases you make a choice. And just as often the reality never matches the forecast.
What about the Bank of England ?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-cost-uk-economy-bank-england-jan-vlieghe-economist-a8779171.html%3famp
They state we were losing £800 a week up to feb 2019
It was still a forecast - and no proven figures as to the outcome of that forecast.
The BOE also predict a rapid upturn in the economy this week - way above previous expectations - naming two factors - 1. Deal Done. 2. Covid Pent-up Spending.
Isn't that funny I told a story here before the current lockdown (October) about a friend who runs a Renault dealership, and he said he couldn't wait for the new lockdown because post covid pent-up spending was through the roof last time. Far above their regular figures.
You don’t trust forecasts? Why has GDP growth percentage decreased every year since 2016? ""Since 2017, a major global slowdown in growth has been taking place in many countries of the world, and several European governments have had economic crises. These measures began to be exacerbated in September 2019 . . . " | |||
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"The Recession began in the UK in 2008 and continued until 2012. We are currently in a Covid Recession." Feels like we have been in a recession for about 20 years | |||
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"The Recession began in the UK in 2008 and continued until 2012. We are currently in a Covid Recession. Feels like we have been in a recession for about 20 years " It doesn't feel to me like we've been in a recession for 20 years. That's all of my adult life, and for the large part it's been pretty good to me. | |||
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"The Recession began in the UK in 2008 and continued until 2012. We are currently in a Covid Recession. Feels like we have been in a recession for about 20 years " Indeed. But it was the end of 1991 before that. | |||
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"Good job we're leaving the EU then " 
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Yep we have got people smuggling themselves in aeroplanes to get out of here.
Sunny uplands indeed. | |||
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" The IFS said it had cost at least £100 billion https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp See . . . that article was 8 Oct 2019 And the forecast was only up to 2020
Forecast not actual cost
Ah, so we can’t rely an ‘any kind ‘ of forecasts now or in the future? You don’t believe Bloomsburg or the IMF, so you must have a very reliable source that isn’t a forecast that shows that their numbers are incorrect
IMF has been wrong on so many occasions they have been criticised heavily for downgrading economic forecasts.
CER is Pro European.
Bloomberg is just a news organisation when all said and done.
No you most definitely can not rely on forecasts. You can use them to guide a policy direction. You can use them to most definitely tell you not to set a policy direction. But in all cases you make a choice. And just as often the reality never matches the forecast.
What about the Bank of England ?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-cost-uk-economy-bank-england-jan-vlieghe-economist-a8779171.html%3famp
They state we were losing £800 a week up to feb 2019
It was still a forecast - and no proven figures as to the outcome of that forecast.
The BOE also predict a rapid upturn in the economy this week - way above previous expectations - naming two factors - 1. Deal Done. 2. Covid Pent-up Spending.
Isn't that funny I told a story here before the current lockdown (October) about a friend who runs a Renault dealership, and he said he couldn't wait for the new lockdown because post covid pent-up spending was through the roof last time. Far above their regular figures.
You don’t trust forecasts? Why has GDP growth percentage decreased every year since 2016?
"Since 2017, a major global slowdown in growth has been taking place in many countries of the world, and several European governments have had economic crises. These measures began to be exacerbated in September 2019 . . . " "So the IMF are wrong? Bloomberg are wrong ? The BOE are also wrong (although you believe a some of their forecasts) ? Apart from the ‘divorce payments’ Brexit has cost nothing and hasn’t adversely affected our economy? | |||
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"She said that Britain is like a speedboat while Brussels is "more of a tanker" Not exactly news to many of us I know. "Read a bit of the guardian article on it. Liked the bit where she says the EU has worked faster than usual on this | |||
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Lols
Yep we have got people smuggling themselves in aeroplanes to get out of here.
Sunny uplands indeed."and dingys full comeing this way | |||
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"Good job we're leaving the EU then
Lols
Yep we have got people smuggling themselves in aeroplanes to get out of here.
Sunny uplands indeed."so you feel like you have been in a recession for 20 yrs Lionel so I take it you will be smuggling yeself out this terrible country then am I right ???? | |||
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