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By *atEvolution OP   Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

https://news.sky.com/story/bank-of-england-sees-economy-recovering-rapidly-as-vaccines-rolled-out-12208428

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

i always have.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

By 2025 the level of output is projected to recover to 5% below the pre covid trend reflecting weaker investment and higher unemployment.

IMF.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though "

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"https://news.sky.com/story/bank-of-england-sees-economy-recovering-rapidly-as-vaccines-rolled-out-12208428"

Good news, the vaccine is our saviour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?"

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1374905/rishi-sunak-furlough-scheme-coronavirus-lockdown-savers-spend-money-uk-economy/amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-55072447

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

"

What you mean like prices going up and more red tape?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

What you mean like prices going up and more red tape?"

That all happened in 2016 did it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

"

So did the Bank of England ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

What you mean like prices going up and more red tape?

That all happened in 2016 did it?"

Good point

Sky news are obviously much more informed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

So did the Bank of England ? "

And?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"By 2025 the level of output is projected to recover to 5% below the pre covid trend reflecting weaker investment and higher unemployment.

IMF."

Lol.are you always such a ray of sunshine everywhere you go?nearly all your responses on topics are negative,miserable and bitter?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"By 2025 the level of output is projected to recover to 5% below the pre covid trend reflecting weaker investment and higher unemployment.

IMF.

Lol.are you always such a ray of sunshine everywhere you go?nearly all your responses on topics are negative,miserable and bitter?"

It's not nearly all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

So did the Bank of England ?

And?"

So you now trust the bank of Englands forecast? Not the IMFs??

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"By 2025 the level of output is projected to recover to 5% below the pre covid trend reflecting weaker investment and higher unemployment.

IMF.

Lol.are you always such a ray of sunshine everywhere you go?nearly all your responses on topics are negative,miserable and bitter?"

I always find people who start sentences with lol to be incredibly engaging.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"By 2025 the level of output is projected to recover to 5% below the pre covid trend reflecting weaker investment and higher unemployment.

IMF.

Lol.are you always such a ray of sunshine everywhere you go?nearly all your responses on topics are negative,miserable and bitter?"

i must have missed the positive one when was that ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

So did the Bank of England ?

And?

So you now trust the bank of Englands forecast? Not the IMFs??"

Who said I trusted the BOE forecast?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"By 2025 the level of output is projected to recover to 5% below the pre covid trend reflecting weaker investment and higher unemployment.

IMF.

Lol.are you always such a ray of sunshine everywhere you go?nearly all your responses on topics are negative,miserable and bitter?

I always find people who start sentences with lol to be incredibly engaging."

Lol,thats fine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

So did the Bank of England ?

And?

So you now trust the bank of Englands forecast? Not the IMFs??

Who said I trusted the BOE forecast?"

The thread is about the BOE forecast

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

So did the Bank of England ?

And?

So you now trust the bank of Englands forecast? Not the IMFs??

Who said I trusted the BOE forecast?

The thread is about the BOE forecast "

And? Where did I state I agree with that forecast?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

This place gets better

Apparently you can not post anything now which remotely contradicts the party line where everything is going to be perfect.

Not even the imf is exempt we can only quote sky news and the mail

Outstanding.

Stalin would have been proud of you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

So did the Bank of England ?

And?

So you now trust the bank of Englands forecast? Not the IMFs??

Who said I trusted the BOE forecast?

The thread is about the BOE forecast

And? Where did I state I agree with that forecast?"

O dear, so it’s bollocks then? And the OP is meaningless?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Just to point the out another comment from the Bank of England.

“The Bank was also clear that the post-Brexit trading rules will hit the economy, and that there are new "barriers" likely to lower trade between the UK and EU, some which are yet to emerge. This goes beyond the government's repeated claims that such changes are ‘teething problems’.”

Did you also as Costa recommends read further see the flatline growth on all world trade until 2024!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

surely a forecast for 3 months ahead is likely to be more accurate than one for 4 years ahead?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums "

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"surely a forecast for 3 months ahead is likely to be more accurate than one for 4 years ahead? "

Yes, that’s true? Have the BOE given a 4 year forecast as well??

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums "

Stop being a drama queen

There was a financial forecast posted

I simply posted another one

Then the thread got hijacked.

Fuck all to do with me.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Just to point the out another comment from the Bank of England.

“The Bank was also clear that the post-Brexit trading rules will hit the economy, and that there are new "barriers" likely to lower trade between the UK and EU, some which are yet to emerge. This goes beyond the government's repeated claims that such changes are ‘teething problems’.”

Did you also as Costa recommends read further see the flatline growth on all world trade until 2024! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though "

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"surely a forecast for 3 months ahead is likely to be more accurate than one for 4 years ahead?

Yes, that’s true? Have the BOE given a 4 year forecast as well?? "

I have no idea i thought this was about 3 months time.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here "

I wouldn’t take it seriously. Stick around.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"surely a forecast for 3 months ahead is likely to be more accurate than one for 4 years ahead?

Yes, that’s true? Have the BOE given a 4 year forecast as well?? I have no idea i thought this was about 3 months time. "

It was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

I wouldn’t take it seriously. Stick around. "

For the large part I don't take it seriously but it would be nice if we could just have a few posts that weren't hijacked.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2020/12/18/pr20379-united-kingdom-imf-executive-board-concludes-2020-article-iv-consultation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here "

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit "

You cant beat a good flounce tbf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"surely a forecast for 3 months ahead is likely to be more accurate than one for 4 years ahead?

Yes, that’s true? Have the BOE given a 4 year forecast as well?? I have no idea i thought this was about 3 months time.

It was."

Ah, fair enough, I guess the 4 years forecast was done by the same people as the 3 month one?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit "

It is when you post but some on here like to use the forum for a proper debate which some people on here make it impossible to do.

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By *atEvolution OP   Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

"

IMF apologised 5 times in two years for wrongly predicting economic recovery in 5 countries during the last recession.

You also have to remember that dealing with Macro Economics isn't the same as dealing with Micro Economics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit "

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum"

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit It is when you post but some on here like to use the forum for a proper debate which some people on here make it impossible to do."

So what are we ‘debating ‘ here, and are opposing views banned?

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

What you mean like prices going up and more red tape?

That all happened in 2016 did it?"

Technically prices on imports went up in 2016 as the pound dropped like a stone.. just saying.

We had to wait for the red tape. Lots now to enjoy though .

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ? "

No i mean where people actually debate rather than just stupid comments ,jackel seems about the only one on the remain side who debates it would be nice to see some others rather than people who are just out for a laugh and post shit as you put it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ? "

No one has to agree. But compare apples with apples and then there may be a valid debate

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ? "

Apparently discussing financial projections in a thread about financial projections constitutes hijacking.

I think some people just crave attention.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ?

No one has to agree. But compare apples with apples and then there may be a valid debate"

That is what happened, the IMF forecast was compared with the BOE??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ? No i mean where people actually debate rather than just stupid comments ,jackel seems about the only one on the remain side who debates it would be nice to see some others rather than people who are just out for a laugh and post shit as you put it."

So highlighting the IMF forecast in response to the BOE is hijacking ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ?

No one has to agree. But compare apples with apples and then there may be a valid debate

That is what happened, the IMF forecast was compared with the BOE?? "

One was short term and one long term. Not comparable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ?

No one has to agree. But compare apples with apples and then there may be a valid debate

That is what happened, the IMF forecast was compared with the BOE??

One was short term and one long term. Not comparable"

Haha, seriously? Is that the new debatable parameters ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ?

No one has to agree. But compare apples with apples and then there may be a valid debate

That is what happened, the IMF forecast was compared with the BOE??

One was short term and one long term. Not comparable

Haha, seriously? Is that the new debatable parameters ? "

I think they are broke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ?

No one has to agree. But compare apples with apples and then there may be a valid debate

That is what happened, the IMF forecast was compared with the BOE??

One was short term and one long term. Not comparable

Haha, seriously? Is that the new debatable parameters ? "

I don't set the parameters. I also don't have to accept them. Are you saying that comparing short term to long term is comparable?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ?

No one has to agree. But compare apples with apples and then there may be a valid debate

That is what happened, the IMF forecast was compared with the BOE??

One was short term and one long term. Not comparable

Haha, seriously? Is that the new debatable parameters ?

I don't set the parameters. I also don't have to accept them. Are you saying that comparing short term to long term is comparable?"

Yes, are you saying that only short term forecasts are relevant ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ?

No one has to agree. But compare apples with apples and then there may be a valid debate

That is what happened, the IMF forecast was compared with the BOE??

One was short term and one long term. Not comparable

Haha, seriously? Is that the new debatable parameters ?

I don't set the parameters. I also don't have to accept them. Are you saying that comparing short term to long term is comparable?

Yes, are you saying that only short term forecasts are relevant ? "

When you try to compare it to another short term forecast yeah.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ?

No one has to agree. But compare apples with apples and then there may be a valid debate

That is what happened, the IMF forecast was compared with the BOE??

One was short term and one long term. Not comparable

Haha, seriously? Is that the new debatable parameters ?

I don't set the parameters. I also don't have to accept them. Are you saying that comparing short term to long term is comparable?

Yes, are you saying that only short term forecasts are relevant ?

When you try to compare it to another short term forecast yeah.

"

Ok, yes he short term forecast for the next 3 months by the BOE is very encouraging, is that the end of the debate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ?

No one has to agree. But compare apples with apples and then there may be a valid debate

That is what happened, the IMF forecast was compared with the BOE??

One was short term and one long term. Not comparable

Haha, seriously? Is that the new debatable parameters ?

I don't set the parameters. I also don't have to accept them. Are you saying that comparing short term to long term is comparable?

Yes, are you saying that only short term forecasts are relevant ?

When you try to compare it to another short term forecast yeah.

Ok, yes he short term forecast for the next 3 months by the BOE is very encouraging, is that the end of the debate? "

Forums don't have to be debates.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ?

No one has to agree. But compare apples with apples and then there may be a valid debate

That is what happened, the IMF forecast was compared with the BOE??

One was short term and one long term. Not comparable

Haha, seriously? Is that the new debatable parameters ?

I don't set the parameters. I also don't have to accept them. Are you saying that comparing short term to long term is comparable?

Yes, are you saying that only short term forecasts are relevant ?

When you try to compare it to another short term forecast yeah.

Ok, yes he short term forecast for the next 3 months by the BOE is very encouraging, is that the end of the debate?

Forums don't have to be debates. "

Make your mind up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Haha, that’s probably for the best, be a shame to see you go though

Probably is for the best. I actually thought I left the playground 20 years ago but you wouldn't have thought it being in here

Ah well, you need to be thick skinned to take it on here, maybe your a bit to sensitive ? It’s only banter and bull shit

Nah not sensitive in the slightest. As I said, it would be nice to have some threads that weren't hijacked. Politics I thought would be a fairly serious forum

Do you mean a thread where everyone agrees with the OP ?

No one has to agree. But compare apples with apples and then there may be a valid debate

That is what happened, the IMF forecast was compared with the BOE??

One was short term and one long term. Not comparable

Haha, seriously? Is that the new debatable parameters ?

I don't set the parameters. I also don't have to accept them. Are you saying that comparing short term to long term is comparable?

Yes, are you saying that only short term forecasts are relevant ?

When you try to compare it to another short term forecast yeah.

Ok, yes he short term forecast for the next 3 months by the BOE is very encouraging, is that the end of the debate?

Forums don't have to be debates.

Make your mind up "

When did I say a forum must be a debate?

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By *atEvolution OP   Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Sorry but . . .

I think this should have been in the Financial Section.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"Sorry but . . .

I think this should have been in the Financial Section."

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"I think we need to set up a support group for people who are having some sort of breakdown "

I think you need to stop mocking people and joking about mental health.

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By *atEvolution OP   Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"I think we need to set up a support group for people who are having some sort of breakdown "

I have thought that type of comment beneath you.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I think we need to set up a support group for people who are having some sort of breakdown

I have thought that type of comment beneath you."

I agree

I humbly apologise

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By *atEvolution OP   Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

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By *atEvolution OP   Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"I think we need to set up a support group for people who are having some sort of breakdown

I have thought that type of comment beneath you.

I agree

I humbly apologise "

Takes a brave soul to apologise this way. TY. accepted just as humbly.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I think we need to set up a support group for people who are having some sort of breakdown

I have thought that type of comment beneath you.

I agree

I humbly apologise

Takes a brave soul to apologise this way. TY. accepted just as humbly. "

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

I think we all like to challenge and in some cases slide sideways on an argument just for the sheer hell of it,

I also think we’re all a bit fed up of this lock down so tempers are short.

We’ve had good and bad arguments on here and the divisive nature of politics today means it’s harder to allow your self to agree with the opponents view.

What’s wrong with our old scenario where some parts of the left or right we’re good and you weren’t afraid to admit it?

Like I’ve said I’ve been mostly a Tory voter then I foolishly believed Blair. I didn’t fall for Boris as too obvious he’s not fit for the job. But it doesn’t mean I can’t sometimes agree with Tory ideas. I don’t believe a word out of this cabinet which is shocking for me. But that doesn’t mean I’m voting labour next time. It means they have to earn our votes whichever side. We should not give our votes based on party loyalty but on performance and what’s good for us all. Our media is our worst enemy and let’s hope this John Neil news thing is real as we definitely need it.

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

IMF apologised 5 times in two years for wrongly predicting economic recovery in 5 countries during the last recession.

You also have to remember that dealing with Macro Economics isn't the same as dealing with Micro Economics.

"

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes


"I think we all like to challenge and in some cases slide sideways on an argument just for the sheer hell of it,

I also think we’re all a bit fed up of this lock down so tempers are short.

We’ve had good and bad arguments on here and the divisive nature of politics today means it’s harder to allow your self to agree with the opponents view.

What’s wrong with our old scenario where some parts of the left or right we’re good and you weren’t afraid to admit it?

Like I’ve said I’ve been mostly a Tory voter then I foolishly believed Blair. I didn’t fall for Boris as too obvious he’s not fit for the job. But it doesn’t mean I can’t sometimes agree with Tory ideas. I don’t believe a word out of this cabinet which is shocking for me. But that doesn’t mean I’m voting labour next time. It means they have to earn our votes whichever side. We should not give our votes based on party loyalty but on performance and what’s good for us all. Our media is our worst enemy and let’s hope this John Neil news thing is real as we definitely need it.

"

Me to I also diverted to Blair for a time. Your quite right they need to earn votes and give a decent alternative

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"I think we all like to challenge and in some cases slide sideways on an argument just for the sheer hell of it,

I also think we’re all a bit fed up of this lock down so tempers are short.

We’ve had good and bad arguments on here and the divisive nature of politics today means it’s harder to allow your self to agree with the opponents view.

What’s wrong with our old scenario where some parts of the left or right we’re good and you weren’t afraid to admit it?

Like I’ve said I’ve been mostly a Tory voter then I foolishly believed Blair. I didn’t fall for Boris as too obvious he’s not fit for the job. But it doesn’t mean I can’t sometimes agree with Tory ideas. I don’t believe a word out of this cabinet which is shocking for me. But that doesn’t mean I’m voting labour next time. It means they have to earn our votes whichever side. We should not give our votes based on party loyalty but on performance and what’s good for us all. Our media is our worst enemy and let’s hope this John Neil news thing is real as we definitely need it.

"

Personally i have never voted on party lines i look at the manifesto,s see which ones suit me best and vote accordingly. Of course you are never going to agree on everything anyone stands for.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?"

Look back to what they said in 2010 about our economy and how we would have rising unemployment and falling GDP, they get it wrong more often than not,

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Look back to what they said in 2010 about our economy and how we would have rising unemployment and falling GDP, they get it wrong more often than not, "

Did they basically say austerity would not produce a boom?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Nicely hijacked as usual guys.

I think I may be done with these forums

Stop being a drama queen

There was a financial forecast posted

I simply posted another one

Then the thread got hijacked.

Fuck all to do with me."

lionel stop saying hijacked your a scouser I fucking shit meself there lol

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Look back to what they said in 2010 about our economy and how we would have rising unemployment and falling GDP, they get it wrong more often than not,

Did they basically say austerity would not produce a boom?"

No they said we would having rising unemployment, it fell, they said our gdp would fall, it rose. To be fair economic forecasting is pretty much guesswork but they are meant to be experts

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"I think we all like to challenge and in some cases slide sideways on an argument just for the sheer hell of it,

I also think we’re all a bit fed up of this lock down so tempers are short.

We’ve had good and bad arguments on here and the divisive nature of politics today means it’s harder to allow your self to agree with the opponents view.

What’s wrong with our old scenario where some parts of the left or right we’re good and you weren’t afraid to admit it?

Like I’ve said I’ve been mostly a Tory voter then I foolishly believed Blair. I didn’t fall for Boris as too obvious he’s not fit for the job. But it doesn’t mean I can’t sometimes agree with Tory ideas. I don’t believe a word out of this cabinet which is shocking for me. But that doesn’t mean I’m voting labour next time. It means they have to earn our votes whichever side. We should not give our votes based on party loyalty but on performance and what’s good for us all. Our media is our worst enemy and let’s hope this John Neil news thing is real as we definitely need it.

"

jackal mate as always great post

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Look back to what they said in 2010 about our economy and how we would have rising unemployment and falling GDP, they get it wrong more often than not,

Did they basically say austerity would not produce a boom?

No they said we would having rising unemployment, it fell, they said our gdp would fall, it rose. To be fair economic forecasting is pretty much guesswork but they are meant to be experts "

I'm no economist but I'm fairly sure the economy overall flatlined during austerity.

But like you said it's all guesswork

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Look back to what they said in 2010 about our economy and how we would have rising unemployment and falling GDP, they get it wrong more often than not,

Did they basically say austerity would not produce a boom?

No they said we would having rising unemployment, it fell, they said our gdp would fall, it rose. To be fair economic forecasting is pretty much guesswork but they are meant to be experts

I'm no economist but I'm fairly sure the economy overall flatlined during austerity.

But like you said it's all guesswork "

GDP growth since 2010 to 2019 was over 18 % on a year by year measure so probably 25 % from the starting point and there was 3 million more jobs, hardly flat lining

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Look back to what they said in 2010 about our economy and how we would have rising unemployment and falling GDP, they get it wrong more often than not,

Did they basically say austerity would not produce a boom?

No they said we would having rising unemployment, it fell, they said our gdp would fall, it rose. To be fair economic forecasting is pretty much guesswork but they are meant to be experts

I'm no economist but I'm fairly sure the economy overall flatlined during austerity.

But like you said it's all guesswork

GDP growth since 2010 to 2019 was over 18 % on a year by year measure so probably 25 % from the starting point and there was 3 million more jobs, hardly flat lining "

So you would say austerity was a success?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Look back to what they said in 2010 about our economy and how we would have rising unemployment and falling GDP, they get it wrong more often than not,

Did they basically say austerity would not produce a boom?

No they said we would having rising unemployment, it fell, they said our gdp would fall, it rose. To be fair economic forecasting is pretty much guesswork but they are meant to be experts

I'm no economist but I'm fairly sure the economy overall flatlined during austerity.

But like you said it's all guesswork

GDP growth since 2010 to 2019 was over 18 % on a year by year measure so probably 25 % from the starting point and there was 3 million more jobs, hardly flat lining

So you would say austerity was a success?"

I expect the three million extra that had a job thought so. I'm not sure austerity is the right word, most was cutting waste from public services, every business and every household can only spend what is has, governments have to try and balance the books, we have borrowed billions this year had the public finances not been in a far better position than when labour got kicked our we wouldnt have found it as easy to borrow.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Look back to what they said in 2010 about our economy and how we would have rising unemployment and falling GDP, they get it wrong more often than not,

Did they basically say austerity would not produce a boom?

No they said we would having rising unemployment, it fell, they said our gdp would fall, it rose. To be fair economic forecasting is pretty much guesswork but they are meant to be experts

I'm no economist but I'm fairly sure the economy overall flatlined during austerity.

But like you said it's all guesswork

GDP growth since 2010 to 2019 was over 18 % on a year by year measure so probably 25 % from the starting point and there was 3 million more jobs, hardly flat lining

So you would say austerity was a success?

I expect the three million extra that had a job thought so. I'm not sure austerity is the right word, most was cutting waste from public services, every business and every household can only spend what is has, governments have to try and balance the books, we have borrowed billions this year had the public finances not been in a far better position than when labour got kicked our we wouldnt have found it as easy to borrow."

What waste exactly?

They have cut the police right down to the bone

The NHS is on its arse

There was an 8 year pay freeze.

Do you know the ones those 2 faced cumts are out clapping for..they cut their wages that much ,some of them.have had to resort to foodbanks.

There has been an explosion on foodbanks and homeless.

Life expectancy has actually slowed down in parts of the country.

Sure start centres,libraries are practically none existent.

Mental health services have been slashed

Youth clubs are a thing of the past and as a result there has been an explosion in youth crime

The probation service was provitised which was another unmitigated disaster.

But apart from that austerity was a success.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

"

It’s the same IMF that had to financially bail us out in the 1970’s because of what was (at that time) the most incompetent series of Governments that this country had ever seen.

Then, in 2019 after witnessing catastrophic Conservative governance by Theresa May, the population of this country decided to elect a known liar with no political gravitas to the highest office in the land.

We will get what we deserve from this.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

It’s the same IMF that had to financially bail us out in the 1970’s because of what was (at that time) the most incompetent series of Governments that this country had ever seen.

Then, in 2019 after witnessing catastrophic Conservative governance by Theresa May, the population of this country decided to elect a known liar with no political gravitas to the highest office in the land.

We will get what we deserve from this."

Yep I remember bushy brows Dennis Healy begging for the lian, yet another labour government bankrupting the country

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Look back to what they said in 2010 about our economy and how we would have rising unemployment and falling GDP, they get it wrong more often than not,

Did they basically say austerity would not produce a boom?

No they said we would having rising unemployment, it fell, they said our gdp would fall, it rose. To be fair economic forecasting is pretty much guesswork but they are meant to be experts

I'm no economist but I'm fairly sure the economy overall flatlined during austerity.

But like you said it's all guesswork

GDP growth since 2010 to 2019 was over 18 % on a year by year measure so probably 25 % from the starting point and there was 3 million more jobs, hardly flat lining

So you would say austerity was a success?

I expect the three million extra that had a job thought so. I'm not sure austerity is the right word, most was cutting waste from public services, every business and every household can only spend what is has, governments have to try and balance the books, we have borrowed billions this year had the public finances not been in a far better position than when labour got kicked our we wouldnt have found it as easy to borrow.

What waste exactly?

They have cut the police right down to the bone

The NHS is on its arse

There was an 8 year pay freeze.

Do you know the ones those 2 faced cumts are out clapping for..they cut their wages that much ,some of them.have had to resort to foodbanks.

There has been an explosion on foodbanks and homeless.

Life expectancy has actually slowed down in parts of the country.

Sure start centres,libraries are practically none existent.

Mental health services have been slashed

Youth clubs are a thing of the past and as a result there has been an explosion in youth crime

The probation service was provitised which was another unmitigated disaster.

But apart from that austerity was a success."

Who implements the controls ? The top heavy management, K is nhs, not one manager has gone, intact since she moved in with me in 2004, two more layers have been added,no doubt other services are the same, it's not the money you have but the way you spend it, of course one of the main reason for problems in the NHS is the pensions, I has just taken hers, to get the same lump sum and yearly pension I would need 600,000 pension pot, that is simply unaffordable

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

It’s the same IMF that had to financially bail us out in the 1970’s because of what was (at that time) the most incompetent series of Governments that this country had ever seen.

Then, in 2019 after witnessing catastrophic Conservative governance by Theresa May, the population of this country decided to elect a known liar with no political gravitas to the highest office in the land.

We will get what we deserve from this.

Yep I remember bushy brows Dennis Healy begging for the lian, yet another labour government bankrupting the country"

Not quite that simple.

The seeds of that eruption were planted in the 1950’s, the volcano grew unharnessed through the decadence of the 1960’s and Keynesian ideas in the 1970’s set the eruption in motion.

It was an event at least twenty years in the making and whilst the economic lessons may have been learned since then, the wisdom of electing charlatans still seems to a potential problem for the long-term benefit of this country and its citizens.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Look back to what they said in 2010 about our economy and how we would have rising unemployment and falling GDP, they get it wrong more often than not,

Did they basically say austerity would not produce a boom?

No they said we would having rising unemployment, it fell, they said our gdp would fall, it rose. To be fair economic forecasting is pretty much guesswork but they are meant to be experts

I'm no economist but I'm fairly sure the economy overall flatlined during austerity.

But like you said it's all guesswork

GDP growth since 2010 to 2019 was over 18 % on a year by year measure so probably 25 % from the starting point and there was 3 million more jobs, hardly flat lining

So you would say austerity was a success?

I expect the three million extra that had a job thought so. I'm not sure austerity is the right word, most was cutting waste from public services, every business and every household can only spend what is has, governments have to try and balance the books, we have borrowed billions this year had the public finances not been in a far better position than when labour got kicked our we wouldnt have found it as easy to borrow."

Did we tax the mega rich even a little bit more or at all? Was the pain shared out?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Look back to what they said in 2010 about our economy and how we would have rising unemployment and falling GDP, they get it wrong more often than not,

Did they basically say austerity would not produce a boom?

No they said we would having rising unemployment, it fell, they said our gdp would fall, it rose. To be fair economic forecasting is pretty much guesswork but they are meant to be experts

I'm no economist but I'm fairly sure the economy overall flatlined during austerity.

But like you said it's all guesswork

GDP growth since 2010 to 2019 was over 18 % on a year by year measure so probably 25 % from the starting point and there was 3 million more jobs, hardly flat lining

So you would say austerity was a success?

I expect the three million extra that had a job thought so. I'm not sure austerity is the right word, most was cutting waste from public services, every business and every household can only spend what is has, governments have to try and balance the books, we have borrowed billions this year had the public finances not been in a far better position than when labour got kicked our we wouldnt have found it as easy to borrow.

What waste exactly?

They have cut the police right down to the bone

The NHS is on its arse

There was an 8 year pay freeze.

Do you know the ones those 2 faced cumts are out clapping for..they cut their wages that much ,some of them.have had to resort to foodbanks.

There has been an explosion on foodbanks and homeless.

Life expectancy has actually slowed down in parts of the country.

Sure start centres,libraries are practically none existent.

Mental health services have been slashed

Youth clubs are a thing of the past and as a result there has been an explosion in youth crime

The probation service was provitised which was another unmitigated disaster.

But apart from that austerity was a success."

Not to mention the huge increase in child poverty

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Is this the same IMF who warned of 'dire consequences' that would follow a vote to leave and then backtracked?

It’s the same IMF that had to financially bail us out in the 1970’s because of what was (at that time) the most incompetent series of Governments that this country had ever seen.

Then, in 2019 after witnessing catastrophic Conservative governance by Theresa May, the population of this country decided to elect a known liar with no political gravitas to the highest office in the land.

We will get what we deserve from this.

Yep I remember bushy brows Dennis Healy begging for the lian, yet another labour government bankrupting the country"

Can you explain how labour caused the world wide financial crash?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"https://news.sky.com/story/bank-of-england-sees-economy-recovering-rapidly-as-vaccines-rolled-out-12208428"

But not a good as pre 2016. It will be shit.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Lionel your glass is nearly empty mate. Don't worry up topping it up though

Simply pointing out a report by the IMF.

Still what would they know?

Look back to what they said in 2010 about our economy and how we would have rising unemployment and falling GDP, they get it wrong more often than not,

Did they basically say austerity would not produce a boom?

No they said we would having rising unemployment, it fell, they said our gdp would fall, it rose. To be fair economic forecasting is pretty much guesswork but they are meant to be experts

I'm no economist but I'm fairly sure the economy overall flatlined during austerity.

But like you said it's all guesswork

GDP growth since 2010 to 2019 was over 18 % on a year by year measure so probably 25 % from the starting point and there was 3 million more jobs, hardly flat lining

So you would say austerity was a success?

I expect the three million extra that had a job thought so. I'm not sure austerity is the right word, most was cutting waste from public services, every business and every household can only spend what is has, governments have to try and balance the books, we have borrowed billions this year had the public finances not been in a far better position than when labour got kicked our we wouldnt have found it as easy to borrow.

Did we tax the mega rich even a little bit more or at all? Was the pain shared out? "

We were all on it together

The big society etc

Look at the high street and see how many sure start places, libraries, youth clubs etc are left.

Austerity is one of the most devestating policies that's ever been inflicted.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"I think we all like to challenge and in some cases slide sideways on an argument just for the sheer hell of it,

I also think we’re all a bit fed up of this lock down so tempers are short.

We’ve had good and bad arguments on here and the divisive nature of politics today means it’s harder to allow your self to agree with the opponents view.

What’s wrong with our old scenario where some parts of the left or right we’re good and you weren’t afraid to admit it?

Like I’ve said I’ve been mostly a Tory voter then I foolishly believed Blair. I didn’t fall for Boris as too obvious he’s not fit for the job. But it doesn’t mean I can’t sometimes agree with Tory ideas. I don’t believe a word out of this cabinet which is shocking for me. But that doesn’t mean I’m voting labour next time. It means they have to earn our votes whichever side. We should not give our votes based on party loyalty but on performance and what’s good for us all. Our media is our worst enemy and let’s hope this John Neil news thing is real as we definitely need it.

jackal mate as always great post "

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