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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already "Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases. This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine. If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones. But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
"Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning? | |||
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"I recall lots of talk of of thriving and prospering once the U.K. was free of the bureaucratic shackles of the EU. Can anyone tell us when the thriving and prospering will start? So far we have not seen any kind of surge representing confidence and liberation. Was Jacob Rees Mogg right when he said that it will take 50 years to see any kind of uplift?" Yep..surely you must remember that slogan on the bus? Vote for brext and we may see some benefits in half a century I think that's what swung it for them | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?"Exactly, you've answered your own question. European Union members deciding against going it alone for political reasons. Absolutely risible and it will cost many lives. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?"Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for "Yes i know your answer you have already stated you complete faith in boris i was asking someone else can they not speak for themselves? | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for Yes i know your answer you have already stated you complete faith in boris i was asking someone else can they not speak for themselves?"It is an open forum, anyone can answer any post, | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already "Two things... Vaccinations (like many issues) had nothing to do with the EU. Countries can and do make their own decisions. We were in the EU (via the transition arrangement) when the U.K. vaccination programme started. Being in the middle of a pandemic would not stop us receiving good new would it? The thought of all the “red tape” reducing (lol) and a country open to the world would surely have delivered assurances and utterances from global industrialists and investors about how they would be piling into the U.K. post-Brexit. I am just surprised at how little of this supposed pent-up potential is being translated into even words, let alone action. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Two things...
Vaccinations (like many issues) had nothing to do with the EU. Countries can and do make their own decisions. We were in the EU (via the transition arrangement) when the U.K. vaccination programme started.
Being in the middle of a pandemic would not stop us receiving good new would it? The thought of all the “red tape” reducing (lol) and a country open to the world would surely have delivered assurances and utterances from global industrialists and investors about how they would be piling into the U.K. post-Brexit. I am just surprised at how little of this supposed pent-up potential is being translated into even words, let alone action."The single most important fact is the vaccine and not the fact that that bumbling buffoon actons has resulted in us having 1 of the worst death rates in the world. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Two things...
Vaccinations (like many issues) had nothing to do with the EU. Countries can and do make their own decisions. We were in the EU (via the transition arrangement) when the U.K. vaccination programme started.
Being in the middle of a pandemic would not stop us receiving good new would it? The thought of all the “red tape” reducing (lol) and a country open to the world would surely have delivered assurances and utterances from global industrialists and investors about how they would be piling into the U.K. post-Brexit. I am just surprised at how little of this supposed pent-up potential is being translated into even words, let alone action."We've moved from. 1. Brexit will bring benefits right away. Just don't ask for any details. 2. Brexit will bring benefits at some point. 3. We will soon have news about when to expect the brexit benefits. And now we're at: 4. We don't know when we will have news about when to expect the brexit benefits. But it's the fault of the EU/Remainers/covid. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Two things...
Vaccinations (like many issues) had nothing to do with the EU. Countries can and do make their own decisions. We were in the EU (via the transition arrangement) when the U.K. vaccination programme started.
Being in the middle of a pandemic would not stop us receiving good new would it? The thought of all the “red tape” reducing (lol) and a country open to the world would surely have delivered assurances and utterances from global industrialists and investors about how they would be piling into the U.K. post-Brexit. I am just surprised at how little of this supposed pent-up potential is being translated into even words, let alone action."If you can raise your sightlines above some people wanting to sell poisonous shellfish, you'll see many businesses like ours thriving in the post Brexit era. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Two things...
Vaccinations (like many issues) had nothing to do with the EU. Countries can and do make their own decisions. We were in the EU (via the transition arrangement) when the U.K. vaccination programme started.
Being in the middle of a pandemic would not stop us receiving good new would it? The thought of all the “red tape” reducing (lol) and a country open to the world would surely have delivered assurances and utterances from global industrialists and investors about how they would be piling into the U.K. post-Brexit. I am just surprised at how little of this supposed pent-up potential is being translated into even words, let alone action."Are you Lionel's brother? I know you're both in the N West. The reason I ask is you both make the same arguments. 'I want it all yesterday' | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Exactly, you've answered your own question. European Union members deciding against going it alone for political reasons. Absolutely risible and it will cost many lives. "The fact that member states chose to take part in the EU vaccine procurement program is down to their internal politics and technical reasons. They had a choice which they will have to justify to their electorate. It still remains that it has very to do with Brexit as the UK used EU legislation to procure vaccines. There is a whole new discussion about the procurement process of EU. These are differences. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Exactly, you've answered your own question. European Union members deciding against going it alone for political reasons. Absolutely risible and it will cost many lives.
The fact that member states chose to take part in the EU vaccine procurement program is down to their internal politics and technical reasons.
They had a choice which they will have to justify to their electorate.
It still remains that it has very to do with Brexit as the UK used EU legislation to procure vaccines.
There is a whole new discussion about the procurement process of EU.
These are differences."OK let's discuss the procurement processes of the EU. In my view they're rubbish and will cost many lives. Over to you | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for "Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Two things...
Vaccinations (like many issues) had nothing to do with the EU. Countries can and do make their own decisions. We were in the EU (via the transition arrangement) when the U.K. vaccination programme started.
Being in the middle of a pandemic would not stop us receiving good new would it? The thought of all the “red tape” reducing (lol) and a country open to the world would surely have delivered assurances and utterances from global industrialists and investors about how they would be piling into the U.K. post-Brexit. I am just surprised at how little of this supposed pent-up potential is being translated into even words, let alone action.
We've moved from.
1. Brexit will bring benefits right away. Just don't ask for any details.
2. Brexit will bring benefits at some point.
3. We will soon have news about when to expect the brexit benefits.
And now we're at:
4. We don't know when we will have news about when to expect the brexit benefits. But it's the fault of the EU/Remainers/covid."Apparently today were at stage: 5. Send Gove to ask if we can stay in the EU for free for a couple of years, as the first forty days of sovereignty have crippled us. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Exactly, you've answered your own question. European Union members deciding against going it alone for political reasons. Absolutely risible and it will cost many lives.
The fact that member states chose to take part in the EU vaccine procurement program is down to their internal politics and technical reasons.
They had a choice which they will have to justify to their electorate.
It still remains that it has very to do with Brexit as the UK used EU legislation to procure vaccines.
There is a whole new discussion about the procurement process of EU.
These are differences.
OK let's discuss the procurement processes of the EU.
In my view they're rubbish and will cost many lives.
Over to you "No discussion here.... They were behind the curve with that. Probably the only thing we will ever agree on. | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol" Personally, I'm just reporting that Gove has been instructed to ask for a two year extension to the grace period for full implementation. The sort of thing that the EU was offering last year but the government told them to stuff off. I give no comment upon the political reasons for making the request, or the social implications thereof. | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol" Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created?" 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this."Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ?? | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate " That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this."You will never get a remainer to admit that ive tried several times asking and not one of them will give me an answer or reason for their thoughts. | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? " who knows mate I couldn’t tell ya that only got the end of it I think it’s down where the old steel works where lots of development down there now that the council bought the land back of the thias it’s a massive area company’s popping up left right centre down there will be a huge shock if we don’t get a free port tho | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.You will never get a remainer to admit that ive tried several times asking and not one of them will give me an answer or reason for their thoughts. "Do you have faith in the leader and government you voted for or not? | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? who knows mate I couldn’t tell ya that only got the end of it I think it’s down where the old steel works where lots of development down there now that the council bought the land back of the thias it’s a massive area company’s popping up left right centre down there will be a huge shock if we don’t get a free port tho " That is good news for the area, long may it continue | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? " No one can categorically state this wouldn't have happened if we'd stayed in the EU. Just as no one can categorically state that it would have. Did you know we left the EU a long time ago now? | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? No one can categorically state this wouldn't have happened if we'd stayed in the EU. Just as no one can categorically state that it would have. Did you know we left the EU a long time ago now?" That is exactly my point, when did we leave? | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? No one can categorically state this wouldn't have happened if we'd stayed in the EU. Just as no one can categorically state that it would have. Did you know we left the EU a long time ago now?" So we've had a long time for all the positives to kick in then I know that the fishermen, steelworkers and cheesemakers are ecstatic about how well things are going. | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? No one can categorically state this wouldn't have happened if we'd stayed in the EU. Just as no one can categorically state that it would have. Did you know we left the EU a long time ago now? That is exactly my point, when did we leave? " We left over a year ago but everyone wants to concentrate on the last 4 weeks. | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? No one can categorically state this wouldn't have happened if we'd stayed in the EU. Just as no one can categorically state that it would have. Did you know we left the EU a long time ago now? That is exactly my point, when did we leave? We left over a year ago but everyone wants to concentrate on the last 4 weeks. " Your shooting yourself in the foot, | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? No one can categorically state this wouldn't have happened if we'd stayed in the EU. Just as no one can categorically state that it would have. Did you know we left the EU a long time ago now? That is exactly my point, when did we leave? We left over a year ago but everyone wants to concentrate on the last 4 weeks. Your shooting yourself in the foot, "If you say so
I'm just pointing out that we left over a year ago so why are we concentrating on the last 4 weeks.
I'm not one of these people who wants things done instantly. If we speak about the real 'transmission period' it's gonna take years to get some shit sorted.
I know in my industry the EU completely fucks us I 2016 and now the UK are looking to take us back to sensible regulations. But it's not going to happen overnight | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? who knows mate I couldn’t tell ya that only got the end of it I think it’s down where the old steel works where lots of development down there now that the council bought the land back of the thias it’s a massive area company’s popping up left right centre down there will be a huge shock if we don’t get a free port tho " This is great news. But looking for brexit related good news. | |||
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"Im loving it had a pay rise plus two and half percent so about 5 grand extra a year business is booming what's not to like." What has that got to do with Brexit? | |||
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"Im loving it had a pay rise plus two and half percent so about 5 grand extra a year business is booming what's not to like. What has that got to do with Brexit? " o let me think business is booming any clues | |||
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"Im loving it had a pay rise plus two and half percent so about 5 grand extra a year business is booming what's not to like. What has that got to do with Brexit? o let me think business is booming any clues" Yeah, give me a clue captain Cargo? Why is Brexit causing your business to boom? | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? who knows mate I couldn’t tell ya that only got the end of it I think it’s down where the old steel works where lots of development down there now that the council bought the land back of the thias it’s a massive area company’s popping up left right centre down there will be a huge shock if we don’t get a free port tho This is great news. But looking for brexit related good news. " It is Brexit related and great news for our £2b industry. | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? who knows mate I couldn’t tell ya that only got the end of it I think it’s down where the old steel works where lots of development down there now that the council bought the land back of the thias it’s a massive area company’s popping up left right centre down there will be a huge shock if we don’t get a free port tho This is great news. But looking for brexit related good news. It is Brexit related and great news for our £2b industry." Why is it ? | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? who knows mate I couldn’t tell ya that only got the end of it I think it’s down where the old steel works where lots of development down there now that the council bought the land back of the thias it’s a massive area company’s popping up left right centre down there will be a huge shock if we don’t get a free port tho This is great news. But looking for brexit related good news. It is Brexit related and great news for our £2b industry. Why is it ? " My bad I replied to the wrong comment | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? who knows mate I couldn’t tell ya that only got the end of it I think it’s down where the old steel works where lots of development down there now that the council bought the land back of the thias it’s a massive area company’s popping up left right centre down there will be a huge shock if we don’t get a free port tho This is great news. But looking for brexit related good news. It is Brexit related and great news for our £2b industry. Why is it ? My bad I replied to the wrong comment "Ah, so it isn’t Brexit related? | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? who knows mate I couldn’t tell ya that only got the end of it I think it’s down where the old steel works where lots of development down there now that the council bought the land back of the thias it’s a massive area company’s popping up left right centre down there will be a huge shock if we don’t get a free port tho This is great news. But looking for brexit related good news. It is Brexit related and great news for our £2b industry. Why is it ? My bad I replied to the wrong comment
Ah, so it isn’t Brexit related? "I have no idea. Just like you don't, these jobs may have been created had we still been in the EU just like as may not have | |||
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"Another brexit moan thread one month in and middle of a pandemic lol Feel free to give us some of the brexit positives for balance. After all we were told "there is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside". So far we've seen a nonstop stream of the downside. Surely the "considerable upside" should come soon, and will surpass all the problems it's created? 400 jobs in Teesside on radio this morning something to do with an energy plant costing 300 million I think I only fought arse end of it also quorn are expanding there factory up here I know there not thousands of jobs yet but you asked me for a positive mate That is good news, do you think the jobs would have been created if we stayed in the EU? who knows mate I couldn’t tell ya that only got the end of it I think it’s down where the old steel works where lots of development down there now that the council bought the land back of the thias it’s a massive area company’s popping up left right centre down there will be a huge shock if we don’t get a free port tho This is great news. But looking for brexit related good news. It is Brexit related and great news for our £2b industry. Why is it ? My bad I replied to the wrong comment
Ah, so it isn’t Brexit related?
I have no idea. Just like you don't, these jobs may have been created had we still been in the EU just like as may not have "Correct, this thread is about Brexit though | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.
Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ?? "I don't know is it? I was not talking about brexit. I was only referring to the EU vaccination scheme and our own, and no you are right i can't prove it but I would have been willing to gamble a years wage on the fact we would not have gone our own way, would you have done the same I wonder. I am just glad people are being vaccinated, including my parents this week, and I am glad we did go our own way and not follow the EU and are getting on with it so that hopefully less people will lose loved ones, and its plain to see if we had of followed the EU we would not have vaccinated 10 million because they are nowhere near that figure and won't be for a while by looks of it. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.
Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ??
I don't know is it? I was not talking about brexit. I was only referring to the EU vaccination scheme and our own, and no you are right i can't prove it but I would have been willing to gamble a years wage on the fact we would not have gone our own way, would you have done the same I wonder. I am just glad people are being vaccinated, including my parents this week, and I am glad we did go our own way and not follow the EU and are getting on with it so that hopefully less people will lose loved ones, and its plain to see if we had of followed the EU we would not have vaccinated 10 million because they are nowhere near that figure and won't be for a while by looks of it."Who did you vote for in the last GE? | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.
Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ??
I don't know is it? I was not talking about brexit. I was only referring to the EU vaccination scheme and our own, and no you are right i can't prove it but I would have been willing to gamble a years wage on the fact we would not have gone our own way, would you have done the same I wonder. I am just glad people are being vaccinated, including my parents this week, and I am glad we did go our own way and not follow the EU and are getting on with it so that hopefully less people will lose loved ones, and its plain to see if we had of followed the EU we would not have vaccinated 10 million because they are nowhere near that figure and won't be for a while by looks of it.
Who did you vote for in the last GE? "thought this thread was about brexit your words ? | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.
Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ??
I don't know is it? I was not talking about brexit. I was only referring to the EU vaccination scheme and our own, and no you are right i can't prove it but I would have been willing to gamble a years wage on the fact we would not have gone our own way, would you have done the same I wonder. I am just glad people are being vaccinated, including my parents this week, and I am glad we did go our own way and not follow the EU and are getting on with it so that hopefully less people will lose loved ones, and its plain to see if we had of followed the EU we would not have vaccinated 10 million because they are nowhere near that figure and won't be for a while by looks of it."They will prob just get on with not having the worst death rate in the world. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.
Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ??
I don't know is it? I was not talking about brexit. I was only referring to the EU vaccination scheme and our own, and no you are right i can't prove it but I would have been willing to gamble a years wage on the fact we would not have gone our own way, would you have done the same I wonder. I am just glad people are being vaccinated, including my parents this week, and I am glad we did go our own way and not follow the EU and are getting on with it so that hopefully less people will lose loved ones, and its plain to see if we had of followed the EU we would not have vaccinated 10 million because they are nowhere near that figure and won't be for a while by looks of it.
Who did you vote for in the last GE? thought this thread was about brexit your words ?"It is, you don’t have to tell me who you voted for? , It might explain why you think the UK didn’t follow the EUs vaccine programme though, | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.
Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ??
I don't know is it? I was not talking about brexit. I was only referring to the EU vaccination scheme and our own, and no you are right i can't prove it but I would have been willing to gamble a years wage on the fact we would not have gone our own way, would you have done the same I wonder. I am just glad people are being vaccinated, including my parents this week, and I am glad we did go our own way and not follow the EU and are getting on with it so that hopefully less people will lose loved ones, and its plain to see if we had of followed the EU we would not have vaccinated 10 million because they are nowhere near that figure and won't be for a while by looks of it.
They will prob just get on with not having the worst death rate in the world."Lionel you talk asif Italy france haven’t had huge numbers of deaths there not doing too good either buddy google it | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.
Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ??
I don't know is it? I was not talking about brexit. I was only referring to the EU vaccination scheme and our own, and no you are right i can't prove it but I would have been willing to gamble a years wage on the fact we would not have gone our own way, would you have done the same I wonder. I am just glad people are being vaccinated, including my parents this week, and I am glad we did go our own way and not follow the EU and are getting on with it so that hopefully less people will lose loved ones, and its plain to see if we had of followed the EU we would not have vaccinated 10 million because they are nowhere near that figure and won't be for a while by looks of it.
Who did you vote for in the last GE? thought this thread was about brexit your words ?
It is, you don’t have to tell me who you voted for? , It might explain why you think the UK didn’t follow the EUs vaccine programme though, "iv told you countless times mate | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.
Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ??
I don't know is it? I was not talking about brexit. I was only referring to the EU vaccination scheme and our own, and no you are right i can't prove it but I would have been willing to gamble a years wage on the fact we would not have gone our own way, would you have done the same I wonder. I am just glad people are being vaccinated, including my parents this week, and I am glad we did go our own way and not follow the EU and are getting on with it so that hopefully less people will lose loved ones, and its plain to see if we had of followed the EU we would not have vaccinated 10 million because they are nowhere near that figure and won't be for a while by looks of it.
Who did you vote for in the last GE? thought this thread was about brexit your words ?
It is, you don’t have to tell me who you voted for? , It might explain why you think the UK didn’t follow the EUs vaccine programme though, iv told you countless times mate "Sorry mate but if you have a look I didn’t ask you , it was directed at someone else | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.
Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ??
I don't know is it? I was not talking about brexit. I was only referring to the EU vaccination scheme and our own, and no you are right i can't prove it but I would have been willing to gamble a years wage on the fact we would not have gone our own way, would you have done the same I wonder. I am just glad people are being vaccinated, including my parents this week, and I am glad we did go our own way and not follow the EU and are getting on with it so that hopefully less people will lose loved ones, and its plain to see if we had of followed the EU we would not have vaccinated 10 million because they are nowhere near that figure and won't be for a while by looks of it.
Who did you vote for in the last GE? thought this thread was about brexit your words ?
It is, you don’t have to tell me who you voted for? , It might explain why you think the UK didn’t follow the EUs vaccine programme though, iv told you countless times mate
Sorry mate but if you have a look I didn’t ask you , it was directed at someone else "ok sorry no probs bud | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.
Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ??
I don't know is it? I was not talking about brexit. I was only referring to the EU vaccination scheme and our own, and no you are right i can't prove it but I would have been willing to gamble a years wage on the fact we would not have gone our own way, would you have done the same I wonder. I am just glad people are being vaccinated, including my parents this week, and I am glad we did go our own way and not follow the EU and are getting on with it so that hopefully less people will lose loved ones, and its plain to see if we had of followed the EU we would not have vaccinated 10 million because they are nowhere near that figure and won't be for a while by looks of it.
Who did you vote for in the last GE? "labour as I have always done, although I thought Corbyn was not the right man, and I cant see what that has to do with vaccines but you have your answer. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.
Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ??
I don't know is it? I was not talking about brexit. I was only referring to the EU vaccination scheme and our own, and no you are right i can't prove it but I would have been willing to gamble a years wage on the fact we would not have gone our own way, would you have done the same I wonder. I am just glad people are being vaccinated, including my parents this week, and I am glad we did go our own way and not follow the EU and are getting on with it so that hopefully less people will lose loved ones, and its plain to see if we had of followed the EU we would not have vaccinated 10 million because they are nowhere near that figure and won't be for a while by looks of it.
They will prob just get on with not having the worst death rate in the world."Well good for them, maybe there death rates will be less when everything is ironed out and maybe it won't, but surely you would agree its better to be vaccinated than not, you are always commenting on the state of our NHS on this site, how it is underfunded and its staff over worked, but with every single person vaccinated that pressure gets less, which has to be a good thing if you truly care about our health service in this country. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.
Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ??
I don't know is it? I was not talking about brexit. I was only referring to the EU vaccination scheme and our own, and no you are right i can't prove it but I would have been willing to gamble a years wage on the fact we would not have gone our own way, would you have done the same I wonder. I am just glad people are being vaccinated, including my parents this week, and I am glad we did go our own way and not follow the EU and are getting on with it so that hopefully less people will lose loved ones, and its plain to see if we had of followed the EU we would not have vaccinated 10 million because they are nowhere near that figure and won't be for a while by looks of it.
They will prob just get on with not having the worst death rate in the world.
Well good for them, maybe there death rates will be less when everything is ironed out and maybe it won't, but surely you would agree its better to be vaccinated than not, you are always commenting on the state of our NHS on this site, how it is underfunded and its staff over worked, but with every single person vaccinated that pressure gets less, which has to be a good thing if you truly care about our health service in this country."We will only be rid of this pandemic when the whole world is vaccinated | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch already. 1 month in and in the middle of a pandemic? Really? But yes, on the single most important issue of the day, the vaccine, the UK are miles ahead of the EU, which is a perfect example of what one nation can do better than a sclerotic bloated organisation. Everyone should be grateful for Brexit already
Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit.
The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases.
This legislation still applied to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine.
If one or more of the EU member stateso had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them. The member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.
The fact they decided not to was for their political and technical reasons, not legal ones.
But why let the facts get in the way of misinformed opinion.
Political reasons you have hit the nail on the head the eu sole reason for being.Do you honestly believe that the uk would have gone it alone if still in the eu?.I dont think so for one minute the political unity is too important to the eu.If you do what is your reasoning?
Yes, they would have ‘gone it alone’, have some faith in the people you voted for
Never would of happened, we would have towed the line with the other member states and if you honestly believe we wouldn't have you are deluded mate. To the EU unity was everything in this.
Maybe, maybe not, you can’t prove they would I can’t prove they wouldn’t . Is the vaccine rollout a ‘hypothetical’ Brexit benefit ??
I don't know is it? I was not talking about brexit. I was only referring to the EU vaccination scheme and our own, and no you are right i can't prove it but I would have been willing to gamble a years wage on the fact we would not have gone our own way, would you have done the same I wonder. I am just glad people are being vaccinated, including my parents this week, and I am glad we did go our own way and not follow the EU and are getting on with it so that hopefully less people will lose loved ones, and its plain to see if we had of followed the EU we would not have vaccinated 10 million because they are nowhere near that figure and won't be for a while by looks of it.
They will prob just get on with not having the worst death rate in the world.
Well good for them, maybe there death rates will be less when everything is ironed out and maybe it won't, but surely you would agree its better to be vaccinated than not, you are always commenting on the state of our NHS on this site, how it is underfunded and its staff over worked, but with every single person vaccinated that pressure gets less, which has to be a good thing if you truly care about our health service in this country.
We will only be rid of this pandemic when the whole world is vaccinated "Totally agree with you. | |||
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"Will also just add that when I and everybody else voted in the general election covid 19 was not known of, so nobody who voted then had a clue what a government may or may not do in the case of a global pandemic." You're right. But is anyone suprised that Boris's bluster and incoherent approach to politics was a disaster. | |||
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"Will also just add that when I and everybody else voted in the general election covid 19 was not known of, so nobody who voted then had a clue what a government may or may not do in the case of a global pandemic. You're right. But is anyone suprised that Boris's bluster and incoherent approach to politics was a disaster." Probably not, although personally I dont think the Corbyn would have been any better even though he got my vote, there wasn't a strong candidate fielded by any party in my opinion. | |||
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"Will also just add that when I and everybody else voted in the general election covid 19 was not known of, so nobody who voted then had a clue what a government may or may not do in the case of a global pandemic. You're right. But is anyone suprised that Boris's bluster and incoherent approach to politics was a disaster. Probably not, although personally I dont think the Corbyn would have been any better even though he got my vote, there wasn't a strong candidate fielded by any party in my opinion." He probably wouldn't have prioritised giving over £20 billion to his chums for sub par PPE. Which would have been nice. | |||
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"Will also just add that when I and everybody else voted in the general election covid 19 was not known of, so nobody who voted then had a clue what a government may or may not do in the case of a global pandemic. You're right. But is anyone suprised that Boris's bluster and incoherent approach to politics was a disaster." not at all buddy | |||
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"Will also just add that when I and everybody else voted in the general election covid 19 was not known of, so nobody who voted then had a clue what a government may or may not do in the case of a global pandemic. You're right. But is anyone suprised that Boris's bluster and incoherent approach to politics was a disaster. Probably not, although personally I dont think the Corbyn would have been any better even though he got my vote, there wasn't a strong candidate fielded by any party in my opinion." I think under corbyn we would have followed the science more closely..rightly or wrongly. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so " No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making." I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? " Where they tested before they were released? | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released?" Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released?" Yes, according to Mark Francois. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! " but if the hospitals didn’t have the beds where would you of sent them ? | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Yes, according to Mark Francois. " | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. " Other world leaders, by and large seemed to manage a lot better. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! but if the hospitals didn’t have the beds where would you of sent them ?" I think the issue is not si much they were sent there,its that they were not tested 1st | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released?" We didnt have the testing capacity so few were, but that is irrelevant as there wasnt the space in hospitals for them, I dont know where they could have sent them, it's easy to sit on the sidelines and criticise but unless there are suggestions for an alternative then its petty to criticise, I've not seen SKS have much to say on the subject as he knows there was little choice. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! but if the hospitals didn’t have the beds where would you of sent them ?" Not where the most vulnerable or elderly are. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! " Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! but if the hospitals didn’t have the beds where would you of sent them ? Not where the most vulnerable or elderly are. " so where then it’s an easy question but a twat to answer I don’t think there was anywhere else tbh | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! but if the hospitals didn’t have the beds where would you of sent them ? Not where the most vulnerable or elderly are. " So where then, all you do are saying is not this for that but no alternative, we know three oldies who have had covid and died they all caught it in hospital, one in late may the other two late autumn, the elderly arent safe in hospital | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? We didnt have the testing capacity so few were, but that is irrelevant as there wasnt the space in hospitals for them, I dont know where they could have sent them, it's easy to sit on the sidelines and criticise but unless there are suggestions for an alternative then its petty to criticise, I've not seen SKS have much to say on the subject as he knows there was little choice." It's not irrelevant at all Why didmt we have the testing facilities? It doesnt take nostradamus to work out that sending a load of untested patients from hospital into nursing homes ,isnt a great idea | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative " You realise it's their job to make these decisions? | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? We didnt have the testing capacity so few were, but that is irrelevant as there wasnt the space in hospitals for them, I dont know where they could have sent them, it's easy to sit on the sidelines and criticise but unless there are suggestions for an alternative then its petty to criticise, I've not seen SKS have much to say on the subject as he knows there was little choice. It's not irrelevant at all Why didmt we have the testing facilities? It doesnt take nostradamus to work out that sending a load of untested patients from hospital into nursing homes ,isnt a great idea " No country had the testing capacity needed at the time and yes it wasnt good sending them to care homes but yet again where else was there ? | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions?" It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative " What’s the point? Your rockstar can do no wrong. Some of you are so infatuated that even the worst things this gvt have done are excused or explained with the most stupid arguments. Have you heard of Cygnus? Come on, tell us the tories’ excuse for that one? Popcorn is ready. I’m all ears. However if it’s the EU or Corbyn you go at great lengths to accuse them of every evil in the most uncompromising fashion. I may as well suggest ideas or have a debate with my garage door. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one " Saying what would you do is about the weakest excuse there is | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one " Why not put them in the nightingale? | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative What’s the point? Your rockstar can do no wrong. Some of you are so infatuated that even the worst things this gvt have done are excused or explained with the most stupid arguments. Have you heard of Cygnus? Come on, tell us the tories’ excuse for that one? Popcorn is ready. I’m all ears. However if it’s the EU or Corbyn you go at great lengths to accuse them of every evil in the most uncompromising fashion. I may as well suggest ideas or have a debate with my garage door. " So that's a " no I have no idea what the alternative was" Keep digging mate you're so see through. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Saying what would you do is about the weakest excuse there is" we all know it was a stupid thing to do but what else cud of been done where cud they go it’s simple stay in hospital or the care homes both choices where horrible but unless you have a better answer Lionel | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Why not put them in the nightingale?" Yes that would have helped, but they didnt exist when most were moved out of hospitals which is exactly why they were moved out, hopefully the lessons will have been learnt and next time there will be a choice. At least you did come up with an idea | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Saying what would you do is about the weakest excuse there iswe all know it was a stupid thing to do but what else cud of been done where cud they go it’s simple stay in hospital or the care homes both choices where horrible but unless you have a better answer Lionel " Ive said they should have been tested | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative What’s the point? Your rockstar can do no wrong. Some of you are so infatuated that even the worst things this gvt have done are excused or explained with the most stupid arguments. Have you heard of Cygnus? Come on, tell us the tories’ excuse for that one? Popcorn is ready. I’m all ears. However if it’s the EU or Corbyn you go at great lengths to accuse them of every evil in the most uncompromising fashion. I may as well suggest ideas or have a debate with my garage door. So that's a " no I have no idea what the alternative was" Keep digging mate you're so see through." I answered. I told you not where the most vulnerable are. If the French had done the same thing you’d have told us that the EU is the most disgusting thing on the planet. If you don’t even have enough awareness to realise that you’re completely infatuated and that you have lost all sense of objectivity, there’s no point in debating. Whatever is done by any donkey with a blue rosette I s beyond reproach. I mean, I’m certainly not perfect but I do try to see things objectively. I’d be the first one to admit that Bojo has got the vaccine right and that the EU has fucked up the vaccine. I’d also say that the furlough scheme has also been working relatively well. yourself and a few of the Tory lovers are even more in love with Boris than the Telegraph. Impossible for them to be in the wrong. Sending people to care homes without testing them was criminal. And if it’d been Labour doing I would have said the same thing. I’m asking again about Cygnus. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Why not put them in the nightingale? Yes that would have helped, but they didnt exist when most were moved out of hospitals which is exactly why they were moved out, hopefully the lessons will have been learnt and next time there will be a choice. At least you did come up with an idea " Why was there not enough room in the hospitals? | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Why not put them in the nightingale? Yes that would have helped, but they didnt exist when most were moved out of hospitals which is exactly why they were moved out, hopefully the lessons will have been learnt and next time there will be a choice. At least you did come up with an idea Why was there not enough room in the hospitals?" Because Labour left no money to the tories in 2010? | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Why not put them in the nightingale? Yes that would have helped, but they didnt exist when most were moved out of hospitals which is exactly why they were moved out, hopefully the lessons will have been learnt and next time there will be a choice. At least you did come up with an idea Why was there not enough room in the hospitals? Because Labour left no money to the tories in 2010? "Obvs | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Why not put them in the nightingale? Yes that would have helped, but they didnt exist when most were moved out of hospitals which is exactly why they were moved out, hopefully the lessons will have been learnt and next time there will be a choice. At least you did come up with an idea Why was there not enough room in the hospitals?" The same reason there wasnt enough room in hospitals in other countries, remember the chinese building the ones in wuhan ? Do you have a dozen spare bedrooms just incase family visit, do you have a couple of spare cars incase one breaks ? Empty beds and wards are very expensive, no doubt when the inquiry happens a decision will be needed on how to prepare incase another virus happens. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Why not put them in the nightingale? Yes that would have helped, but they didnt exist when most were moved out of hospitals which is exactly why they were moved out, hopefully the lessons will have been learnt and next time there will be a choice. At least you did come up with an idea Why was there not enough room in the hospitals? The same reason there wasnt enough room in hospitals in other countries, remember the chinese building the ones in wuhan ? Do you have a dozen spare bedrooms just incase family visit, do you have a couple of spare cars incase one breaks ? Empty beds and wards are very expensive, no doubt when the inquiry happens a decision will be needed on how to prepare incase another virus happens. " We arent taking about countries..we are talking about here How many hospitals did boris promise to build in the 2019 election? | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative What’s the point? Your rockstar can do no wrong. Some of you are so infatuated that even the worst things this gvt have done are excused or explained with the most stupid arguments. Have you heard of Cygnus? Come on, tell us the tories’ excuse for that one? Popcorn is ready. I’m all ears. However if it’s the EU or Corbyn you go at great lengths to accuse them of every evil in the most uncompromising fashion. I may as well suggest ideas or have a debate with my garage door. So that's a " no I have no idea what the alternative was" Keep digging mate you're so see through. I answered. I told you not where the most vulnerable are. If the French had done the same thing you’d have told us that the EU is the most disgusting thing on the planet. If you don’t even have enough awareness to realise that you’re completely infatuated and that you have lost all sense of objectivity, there’s no point in debating. Whatever is done by any donkey with a blue rosette I s beyond reproach. I mean, I’m certainly not perfect but I do try to see things objectively. I’d be the first one to admit that Bojo has got the vaccine right and that the EU has fucked up the vaccine. I’d also say that the furlough scheme has also been working relatively well. yourself and a few of the Tory lovers are even more in love with Boris than the Telegraph. Impossible for them to be in the wrong. Sending people to care homes without testing them was criminal. And if it’d been Labour doing I would have said the same thing. I’m asking again about Cygnus. " it makes no difference to me if it was conservatives or Labour blowjob or Corbyn I’d still say it was an impossible decision stay in hospital or send them back to the care homes if there was a better option and blowjob ignored it he should be jailed | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative What’s the point? Your rockstar can do no wrong. Some of you are so infatuated that even the worst things this gvt have done are excused or explained with the most stupid arguments. Have you heard of Cygnus? Come on, tell us the tories’ excuse for that one? Popcorn is ready. I’m all ears. However if it’s the EU or Corbyn you go at great lengths to accuse them of every evil in the most uncompromising fashion. I may as well suggest ideas or have a debate with my garage door. So that's a " no I have no idea what the alternative was" Keep digging mate you're so see through. I answered. I told you not where the most vulnerable are. If the French had done the same thing you’d have told us that the EU is the most disgusting thing on the planet. If you don’t even have enough awareness to realise that you’re completely infatuated and that you have lost all sense of objectivity, there’s no point in debating. Whatever is done by any donkey with a blue rosette I s beyond reproach. I mean, I’m certainly not perfect but I do try to see things objectively. I’d be the first one to admit that Bojo has got the vaccine right and that the EU has fucked up the vaccine. I’d also say that the furlough scheme has also been working relatively well. yourself and a few of the Tory lovers are even more in love with Boris than the Telegraph. Impossible for them to be in the wrong. Sending people to care homes without testing them was criminal. And if it’d been Labour doing I would have said the same thing. I’m asking again about Cygnus. it makes no difference to me if it was conservatives or Labour blowjob or Corbyn I’d still say it was an impossible decision stay in hospital or send them back to the care homes if there was a better option and blowjob ignored it he should be jailed " The stripping down of local NHS resources and the closure of local hospitals over the last 20 years or so was consequential in there being nowhere to send the infected to - other than back to their care homes. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Saying what would you do is about the weakest excuse there iswe all know it was a stupid thing to do but what else cud of been done where cud they go it’s simple stay in hospital or the care homes both choices where horrible but unless you have a better answer Lionel " They were sent back to the homes way before the beds were needed in the hospitals. Space was being made before it was necessary to send the elderly back to care homes. They could easily have tested for Covid but chose not to claiming they would be safer away from the hospitals whilst knowing Covid was already rife in the community. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 04/02/21 20:26:13] Interestingly the guardian reported at the end of April that the percentage of deaths from covid in care homes was virtually the same in most european countries. Remember that the tories have told you can’t compare deaths between countries. It’s bad and it’s inaccurate! You’re compromising the party line! It's not comparing deaths between countries, it's the percentage of deaths within countries. " So it works for this but for not for the death rate? Seriously...
I’ll give another reason why they couldn’t be discharged in Nightingale hospitals. It’s partly because they were not staffed? And why are we so short of nurses, doctors as well as cops, teachers etc...
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Saying what would you do is about the weakest excuse there iswe all know it was a stupid thing to do but what else cud of been done where cud they go it’s simple stay in hospital or the care homes both choices where horrible but unless you have a better answer Lionel They were sent back to the homes way before the beds were needed in the hospitals. Space was being made before it was necessary to send the elderly back to care homes. They could easily have tested for Covid but chose not to claiming they would be safer away from the hospitals whilst knowing Covid was already rife in the community. " There wasnt the testing capacity at the time, and they were far more likely to catch it in hospital,as I said previously the old people we know who caught covid did so in hospital. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Saying what would you do is about the weakest excuse there iswe all know it was a stupid thing to do but what else cud of been done where cud they go it’s simple stay in hospital or the care homes both choices where horrible but unless you have a better answer Lionel They were sent back to the homes way before the beds were needed in the hospitals. Space was being made before it was necessary to send the elderly back to care homes. They could easily have tested for Covid but chose not to claiming they would be safer away from the hospitals whilst knowing Covid was already rife in the community. There wasnt the testing capacity at the time, and they were far more likely to catch it in hospital,as I said previously the old people we know who caught covid did so in hospital." So tell me how they tested the first people from wuhan flying back into Manchester if we couldn’t test people ? That was well before the lock down and the push of the elderly out of the hospitals. They knew how to test and they knew they had the capacity they just didn’t plan it properly. What a surprise | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Saying what would you do is about the weakest excuse there iswe all know it was a stupid thing to do but what else cud of been done where cud they go it’s simple stay in hospital or the care homes both choices where horrible but unless you have a better answer Lionel They were sent back to the homes way before the beds were needed in the hospitals. Space was being made before it was necessary to send the elderly back to care homes. They could easily have tested for Covid but chose not to claiming they would be safer away from the hospitals whilst knowing Covid was already rife in the community. There wasnt the testing capacity at the time, and they were far more likely to catch it in hospital,as I said previously the old people we know who caught covid did so in hospital." How many hospitals did boris say he would build in 2019? | |||
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"I have to mention has anyone noticed the massive lie given by the government over extending the vaccination being extended . Firstly I have to say I am delighted we are vaccinating more than most of the world and equally delighted the vaccine this week was shown to be working against the transmission. A bonus. The extension of the second dose trials came through for two of the main vaccinations as positive. It was three weeks ago Hancock said the science showed it was safe and beneficial to extend the gap between vaccinations. If the results came out this week what scientist knew three weeks ago to advise the government that it was safe and beneficial? It was a lie and whilst the gamble has definitely paid off, it yet again shows this government lies constantly and is not fit to govern us. This gamble paid off as I said but the PPE dash didn’t but both showed the true face of our government . " Didnt they actually contradict it when he came out and said that? | |||
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"I recall lots of talk of of thriving and prospering once the U.K. was free of the bureaucratic shackles of the EU. Can anyone tell us when the thriving and prospering will start? So far we have not seen any kind of surge representing confidence and liberation. Was Jacob Rees Mogg right when he said that it will take 50 years to see any kind of uplift?" Read what bank of England have said today | |||
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"I recall lots of talk of of thriving and prospering once the U.K. was free of the bureaucratic shackles of the EU. Can anyone tell us when the thriving and prospering will start? So far we have not seen any kind of surge representing confidence and liberation. Was Jacob Rees Mogg right when he said that it will take 50 years to see any kind of uplift?Read what bank of England have said today" "Economy to rebound strongly because of vaccine". | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Saying what would you do is about the weakest excuse there iswe all know it was a stupid thing to do but what else cud of been done where cud they go it’s simple stay in hospital or the care homes both choices where horrible but unless you have a better answer Lionel They were sent back to the homes way before the beds were needed in the hospitals. Space was being made before it was necessary to send the elderly back to care homes. They could easily have tested for Covid but chose not to claiming they would be safer away from the hospitals whilst knowing Covid was already rife in the community. There wasnt the testing capacity at the time, and they were far more likely to catch it in hospital,as I said previously the old people we know who caught covid did so in hospital. So tell me how they tested the first people from wuhan flying back into Manchester if we couldn’t test people ? That was well before the lock down and the push of the elderly out of the hospitals. They knew how to test and they knew they had the capacity they just didn’t plan it properly. What a surprise " Have you forgotten all the uproar because the government missed the targets for testing ? | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly. So to sum up, nobody knew the right thing to do. But if we come out of this mess and open up before the rest of Europe then Johnson will be praised and rightly so No he wont. He should be held to account for 12 months of calamitous decision making. I'm still waiting for you to suggest where all the old folk from the hospitals that were sent back to the care homes could have gone, it's the major issue at the beginning that caused a lot of deaths, many criticise the decision but never offer an alternative as to where they could be sent, the hospitals couldn't keep them as they needed the beds, so let's hear what you would have done ? Where they tested before they were released? Don’t be too specific or ask for detail. We’re talking Boris here... Tested or not is insignificant. Boris is the God of the universe! Another one who can criticise but never offers a realistic alternative You realise it's their job to make these decisions? It is of course but as you cant give an alternative it shows there wasnt one Saying what would you do is about the weakest excuse there iswe all know it was a stupid thing to do but what else cud of been done where cud they go it’s simple stay in hospital or the care homes both choices where horrible but unless you have a better answer Lionel They were sent back to the homes way before the beds were needed in the hospitals. Space was being made before it was necessary to send the elderly back to care homes. They could easily have tested for Covid but chose not to claiming they would be safer away from the hospitals whilst knowing Covid was already rife in the community. There wasnt the testing capacity at the time, and they were far more likely to catch it in hospital,as I said previously the old people we know who caught covid did so in hospital. So tell me how they tested the first people from wuhan flying back into Manchester if we couldn’t test people ? That was well before the lock down and the push of the elderly out of the hospitals. They knew how to test and they knew they had the capacity they just didn’t plan it properly. What a surprise Have you forgotten all the uproar because the government missed the targets for testing ?" Those targets were for the general public testing that they missed These were elderly inside NHS hospitals who could test at the time . Especially if the elderly had been held until they had been tested. Our local hospital had capacity for ages after the first lockdown so the elderly were pushed through without any attempt to test. | |||
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"Tested or not makes no difference they had to be moved out to make space for those with serious issues, those elderly were at more risk in general hospitals from catching it, still waiting to see where else they could have put them, the london nightingale didn't open till early April the others to much later, so what could they do with them of course with millions on furlough some could have gone to relatives, I'm sure a few did but much easier to dump them on the state. " The elderly were moved out to make space that wasn’t used at first so there was time and space and ability to test . The health department chose not to. They were rushed out rather than tested first. Where did all the testing kits come from when the cases started rising ?? They didn’t just arrive within two weeks . We had the ability and rather than think it through the governments health dept as usual knee jerked! They could have consolidated the elderly in a hospital which doesn’t have the A & E arrivals for example. There is no defence | |||
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"I wonder why there wasnt enough hospitals?" 40 on there way so we will be safe in about ..... oh hang on tell me again how seed funding builds hospitals again? Seed funding as a statement of build is disgraceful . | |||
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"I wonder why there wasnt enough hospitals? 40 on there way so we will be safe in about ..... oh hang on tell me again how seed funding builds hospitals again? Seed funding as a statement of build is disgraceful . " Wasnt the actual number 6? | |||
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