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"Except European citizens can't vote her out.... "Of course they cant they didnt even vote her in.  | |||
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"Another thread about the EU by a Brexit voter? "you mean it’s not a positive thread about the eu by a remainer lol | |||
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"Another thread about the EU by a Brexit voter? you mean it’s not a positive thread about the eu by a remainer lol"Why don’t the Brexit voters post positives about Brexit instead of negatives about the EU?? | |||
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"This isn't a negative thread about the EU but politicians in general. It just so happens that this is relevant." Relevant to what? | |||
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"This isn't a negative thread about the EU but politicians in general. It just so happens that this is relevant. Relevant to what? " It's relevant to now. It's in the news. This is a topic that's been going on for the last week. Where have you been ? | |||
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"This isn't a negative thread about the EU but politicians in general. It just so happens that this is relevant. Relevant to what? It's relevant to now. It's in the news. This is a topic that's been going on for the last week. Where have you been ?" I have been at home, just checked the headlines , no mention of this story. You have a point though, all politicians will throw others under the bus to save their own skin, it’s been happening for at least a 100 years | |||
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"This isn't a negative thread about the EU but politicians in general. It just so happens that this is relevant. Relevant to what? It's relevant to now. It's in the news. This is a topic that's been going on for the last week. Where have you been ? I have been at home, just checked the headlines , no mention of this story. You have a point though, all politicians will throw others under the bus to save their own skin, it’s been happening for at least a 100 years " Maybe you should check further than sensationalism headlines. You may just find that it's not quite all as it seems  | |||
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"This isn't a negative thread about the EU but politicians in general. It just so happens that this is relevant. Relevant to what? It's relevant to now. It's in the news. This is a topic that's been going on for the last week. Where have you been ? I have been at home, just checked the headlines , no mention of this story. You have a point though, all politicians will throw others under the bus to save their own skin, it’s been happening for at least a 100 years Maybe you should check further than sensationalism headlines. You may just find that it's not quite all as it seems "There are more important things happening in the world right now, but thanks for the advice | |||
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"Von Der Layen throws one of her deputies under the bus. Just goes to show that they're all the same regardless of where they sit. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-vaccine-von-der-layen-deputy-dombrovskis-b1795909.html" Not a surprise really. She has that reputation in Germany after messing up their military - not her to blame of course, that's what deputies are for | |||
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"Another thread about the EU by a Brexit voter? you mean it’s not a positive thread about the eu by a remainer lol
Why don’t the Brexit voters post positives about Brexit instead of negatives about the EU?? "They can only work with what they've got | |||
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"Von Der Layen throws one of her deputies under the bus. Just goes to show that they're all the same regardless of where they sit. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-vaccine-von-der-layen-deputy-dombrovskis-b1795909.html Not a surprise really. She has that reputation in Germany after messing up their military - not her to blame of course, that's what deputies are for" Blaming someone else for her failures? Cant see that catching on here. | |||
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"Another thread about the EU by a Brexit voter? you mean it’s not a positive thread about the eu by a remainer lol
Why don’t the Brexit voters post positives about Brexit instead of negatives about the EU??
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"Another thread about the EU by a Brexit voter? you mean it’s not a positive thread about the eu by a remainer lol
Why don’t the Brexit voters post positives about Brexit instead of negatives about the EU??
They can only work with what they've got "Vaccines | |||
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"Any remainer want to criticise Von Der Leyon by any chance? Or don't you know anything about her? " As far as I can recall everyone unanimously said the eu made a mistake. Which they acknowledged Quite a difference on here when boris fucks things up though surprisingly. | |||
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"Any remainer want to criticise Von Der Leyon by any chance? Or don't you know anything about her? As far as I can recall everyone unanimously said the eu made a mistake. Which they acknowledged Quite a difference on here when boris fucks things up though surprisingly." Acknowledged what? The only thing that "Flinten Ushi" has acknowledged is that it is everyone's fault but hers. Which is pretty much what she did as German defence minister until they put her out to grass in Brussels. Jeez... She must be bad when even Juncker tears a strip off her. | |||
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"Some MEP's have called for her to resign. Anyone here agree? I wonder how the come from money, married into more money, failed politician got the job in the first place? It's a mystery "No mystery at all. Merkel had wanted to see the arse end of her for a while. She was a total disaster as German defence minister which got her the "Flinten Ushi" nickname here in Germany. By all accounts she spent more on management consultants than kit during her time. Ushi is just a familiar name for Ursula (think Bob for Robert Etc) but Flinten (which actually translates as shotguns) is a widely used term for flintlocks. Which is what most Germans thought the army would be reduced to if she had stayed in charge much longer. So they packed her off to Europe's graveyard for failed politicians. | |||
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"Some MEP's have called for her to resign. Anyone here agree? I wonder how the come from money, married into more money, failed politician got the job in the first place? It's a mystery
No mystery at all.
Merkel had wanted to see the arse end of her for a while.
She was a total disaster as German defence minister which got her the "Flinten Ushi" nickname here in Germany.
By all accounts she spent more on management consultants than kit during her time.
Ushi is just a familiar name for Ursula (think Bob for Robert Etc) but Flinten (which actually translates as shotguns) is a widely used term for flintlocks. Which is what most Germans thought the army would be reduced to if she had stayed in charge much longer.
So they packed her off to Europe's graveyard for failed politicians."I knew she'd been a bit crap in defence but thanks for that  | |||
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"Some MEP's have called for her to resign. Anyone here agree? I wonder how the come from money, married into more money, failed politician got the job in the first place? It's a mystery
No mystery at all.
Merkel had wanted to see the arse end of her for a while.
She was a total disaster as German defence minister which got her the "Flinten Ushi" nickname here in Germany.
By all accounts she spent more on management consultants than kit during her time.
Ushi is just a familiar name for Ursula (think Bob for Robert Etc) but Flinten (which actually translates as shotguns) is a widely used term for flintlocks. Which is what most Germans thought the army would be reduced to if she had stayed in charge much longer.
So they packed her off to Europe's graveyard for failed politicians.
I knew she'd been a bit crap in defence but thanks for that "I'm afraid it got worse than that. Flint locks would have been a step up from the broomstick they were reduced to. | |||
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"Some MEP's have called for her to resign. Anyone here agree? I wonder how the come from money, married into more money, failed politician got the job in the first place? It's a mystery
No mystery at all.
Merkel had wanted to see the arse end of her for a while.
She was a total disaster as German defence minister which got her the "Flinten Ushi" nickname here in Germany.
By all accounts she spent more on management consultants than kit during her time.
Ushi is just a familiar name for Ursula (think Bob for Robert Etc) but Flinten (which actually translates as shotguns) is a widely used term for flintlocks. Which is what most Germans thought the army would be reduced to if she had stayed in charge much longer.
So they packed her off to Europe's graveyard for failed politicians.
I knew she'd been a bit crap in defence but thanks for that
I'm afraid it got worse than that. Flint locks would have been a step up from the broomstick they were reduced to. " | |||
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"Some MEP's have called for her to resign. Anyone here agree? I wonder how the come from money, married into more money, failed politician got the job in the first place? It's a mystery "Sounds like a certain politician here | |||
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"Any remainer want to criticise Von Der Leyon by any chance? Or don't you know anything about her? As far as I can recall everyone unanimously said the eu made a mistake. Which they acknowledged Quite a difference on here when boris fucks things up though surprisingly. Acknowledged what? The only thing that "Flinten Ushi" has acknowledged is that it is everyone's fault but hers. Which is pretty much what she did as German defence minister until they put her out to grass in Brussels. Jeez... She must be bad when even Juncker tears a strip off her." Are they going through with their threat? | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries." Said without a hint of irony | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries." Do you agree with proportional representation? | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? " God no if you look at countries like Italy and Denmark that never have a stable government. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries." Another gem, hilarious | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries." You clearly have no idea how the EU works if you believe that. So for your understanding here is a lesson in democracy..... The EU has 3 elected bodies 1. The European Parliament this is where MEP’s sit as voted for by countries electorate. - This is known as direct election. 2. Council of Ministers this is the heads of governments of countries within the EU. As the heads of government are not normally chosen by the electorate. This is known as indirect election. 3. EU commission. Commissioners are proposed by the council of ministers and then voted on by MEP’s. Just like your elected MP votes on your behalf on bills brought to the House of Commons. Commissioner take an oath to ECJ to act in the best interests of the EU and not favour any one country. This is unlike the UK where we only elect the House of Commons and the House of Lords are by appointment or patronage. Hope your brain has managed to take all this in as I have an exam question for you.... Based on what you now know what has the greatest democratic deficit the UK or the EU ? If you find this question too hard I will give you a clue. The answer starts with a U. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. You clearly have no idea how the EU works if you believe that. So for your understanding here is a lesson in democracy..... The EU has 3 elected bodies 1. The European Parliament this is where MEP’s sit as voted for by countries electorate. - This is known as direct election. 2. Council of Ministers this is the heads of governments of countries within the EU. As the heads of government are not normally chosen by the electorate. This is known as indirect election. 3. EU commission. Commissioners are proposed by the council of ministers and then voted on by MEP’s. Just like your elected MP votes on your behalf on bills brought to the House of Commons. Commissioner take an oath to ECJ to act in the best interests of the EU and not favour any one country. This is unlike the UK where we only elect the House of Commons and the House of Lords are by appointment or patronage. Hope your brain has managed to take all this in as I have an exam question for you.... Based on what you now know what has the greatest democratic deficit the UK or the EU ? If you find this question too hard I will give you a clue. The answer starts with a U. " And a lesson for you in return, although I’m no big fan of the current Lords, at least the founding principle of disinterest has merit. The EU commission has never had genuine disinterest, quite the opposite, it has always been out for itself in the most grasping and nepotistic dynastic fashion (Kinnocks). And if a political party wants to propose to abolish the Lords, guess what, you can actually vote for it! How fantastic is that? The voters of Europe don’t get that chance. Think you’ll find the democratic deficit is firmly in Brussels. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. You clearly have no idea how the EU works if you believe that. So for your understanding here is a lesson in democracy..... The EU has 3 elected bodies 1. The European Parliament this is where MEP’s sit as voted for by countries electorate. - This is known as direct election. 2. Council of Ministers this is the heads of governments of countries within the EU. As the heads of government are not normally chosen by the electorate. This is known as indirect election. 3. EU commission. Commissioners are proposed by the council of ministers and then voted on by MEP’s. Just like your elected MP votes on your behalf on bills brought to the House of Commons. Commissioner take an oath to ECJ to act in the best interests of the EU and not favour any one country. This is unlike the UK where we only elect the House of Commons and the House of Lords are by appointment or patronage. Hope your brain has managed to take all this in as I have an exam question for you.... Based on what you now know what has the greatest democratic deficit the UK or the EU ? If you find this question too hard I will give you a clue. The answer starts with a U. And a lesson for you in return, although I’m no big fan of the current Lords, at least the founding principle of disinterest has merit. The EU commission has never had genuine disinterest, quite the opposite, it has always been out for itself in the most grasping and nepotistic dynastic fashion (Kinnocks). And if a political party wants to propose to abolish the Lords, guess what, you can actually vote for it! How fantastic is that? The voters of Europe don’t get that chance. Think you’ll find the democratic deficit is firmly in Brussels." You seem to be equating the European Commission to the House of Lords. This is incorrect the European Commission is the executive branch of the European Union, responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding the EU treaties and managing the day-to-day business of the EU. As I explained electors do get a say on the commissioner’s elected via MEP’s It helps if you actually understand how the EU works and the roles of the bodies within. I know this can be confusing especially if you muddle up your analogies. Here is another example for you. When the UK government enacts a commission to look in something like the railways for example. The chair and commissioners are appointed by the PM. MP’s don’t get a say.... | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. You clearly have no idea how the EU works if you believe that. So for your understanding here is a lesson in democracy..... The EU has 3 elected bodies 1. The European Parliament this is where MEP’s sit as voted for by countries electorate. - This is known as direct election. 2. Council of Ministers this is the heads of governments of countries within the EU. As the heads of government are not normally chosen by the electorate. This is known as indirect election. 3. EU commission. Commissioners are proposed by the council of ministers and then voted on by MEP’s. Just like your elected MP votes on your behalf on bills brought to the House of Commons. Commissioner take an oath to ECJ to act in the best interests of the EU and not favour any one country. This is unlike the UK where we only elect the House of Commons and the House of Lords are by appointment or patronage. Hope your brain has managed to take all this in as I have an exam question for you.... Based on what you now know what has the greatest democratic deficit the UK or the EU ? If you find this question too hard I will give you a clue. The answer starts with a U. And a lesson for you in return, although I’m no big fan of the current Lords, at least the founding principle of disinterest has merit. The EU commission has never had genuine disinterest, quite the opposite, it has always been out for itself in the most grasping and nepotistic dynastic fashion (Kinnocks). And if a political party wants to propose to abolish the Lords, guess what, you can actually vote for it! How fantastic is that? The voters of Europe don’t get that chance. Think you’ll find the democratic deficit is firmly in Brussels. You seem to be equating the European Commission to the House of Lords. This is incorrect the European Commission is the executive branch of the European Union, responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding the EU treaties and managing the day-to-day business of the EU. As I explained electors do get a say on the commissioner’s elected via MEP’s It helps if you actually understand how the EU works and the roles of the bodies within. I know this can be confusing especially if you muddle up your analogies. Here is another example for you. When the UK government enacts a commission to look in something like the railways for example. The chair and commissioners are appointed by the PM. MP’s don’t get a say.... " There is no equivalent body to the EU commission in this country or anywhere else for that matter. And to top it all they want an ambassador recognised lol. Again, I've criticised our quango system many times but at least I have a direct vote on the matter. Pedro from Malaga gets no such choice. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. You clearly have no idea how the EU works if you believe that. So for your understanding here is a lesson in democracy..... The EU has 3 elected bodies 1. The European Parliament this is where MEP’s sit as voted for by countries electorate. - This is known as direct election. 2. Council of Ministers this is the heads of governments of countries within the EU. As the heads of government are not normally chosen by the electorate. This is known as indirect election. 3. EU commission. Commissioners are proposed by the council of ministers and then voted on by MEP’s. Just like your elected MP votes on your behalf on bills brought to the House of Commons. Commissioner take an oath to ECJ to act in the best interests of the EU and not favour any one country. This is unlike the UK where we only elect the House of Commons and the House of Lords are by appointment or patronage. Hope your brain has managed to take all this in as I have an exam question for you.... Based on what you now know what has the greatest democratic deficit the UK or the EU ? If you find this question too hard I will give you a clue. The answer starts with a U. And a lesson for you in return, although I’m no big fan of the current Lords, at least the founding principle of disinterest has merit. The EU commission has never had genuine disinterest, quite the opposite, it has always been out for itself in the most grasping and nepotistic dynastic fashion (Kinnocks). And if a political party wants to propose to abolish the Lords, guess what, you can actually vote for it! How fantastic is that? The voters of Europe don’t get that chance. Think you’ll find the democratic deficit is firmly in Brussels. You seem to be equating the European Commission to the House of Lords. This is incorrect the European Commission is the executive branch of the European Union, responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding the EU treaties and managing the day-to-day business of the EU. As I explained electors do get a say on the commissioner’s elected via MEP’s It helps if you actually understand how the EU works and the roles of the bodies within. I know this can be confusing especially if you muddle up your analogies. Here is another example for you. When the UK government enacts a commission to look in something like the railways for example. The chair and commissioners are appointed by the PM. MP’s don’t get a say.... " The commissioners you are on about are the ones put forward by the council, the mep,s only get to have a say in something that has already been decided dont think for one minute you had any say in it via your mep because you didn't.In fact i would say you or any other citizen had never even heard of them before let alone know what they stand for,there is no democracy in the elections of presidents. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. You clearly have no idea how the EU works if you believe that. So for your understanding here is a lesson in democracy..... The EU has 3 elected bodies 1. The European Parliament this is where MEP’s sit as voted for by countries electorate. - This is known as direct election. 2. Council of Ministers this is the heads of governments of countries within the EU. As the heads of government are not normally chosen by the electorate. This is known as indirect election. 3. EU commission. Commissioners are proposed by the council of ministers and then voted on by MEP’s. Just like your elected MP votes on your behalf on bills brought to the House of Commons. Commissioner take an oath to ECJ to act in the best interests of the EU and not favour any one country. This is unlike the UK where we only elect the House of Commons and the House of Lords are by appointment or patronage. Hope your brain has managed to take all this in as I have an exam question for you.... Based on what you now know what has the greatest democratic deficit the UK or the EU ? If you find this question too hard I will give you a clue. The answer starts with a U. And a lesson for you in return, although I’m no big fan of the current Lords, at least the founding principle of disinterest has merit. The EU commission has never had genuine disinterest, quite the opposite, it has always been out for itself in the most grasping and nepotistic dynastic fashion (Kinnocks). And if a political party wants to propose to abolish the Lords, guess what, you can actually vote for it! How fantastic is that? The voters of Europe don’t get that chance. Think you’ll find the democratic deficit is firmly in Brussels. You seem to be equating the European Commission to the House of Lords. This is incorrect the European Commission is the executive branch of the European Union, responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding the EU treaties and managing the day-to-day business of the EU. As I explained electors do get a say on the commissioner’s elected via MEP’s It helps if you actually understand how the EU works and the roles of the bodies within. I know this can be confusing especially if you muddle up your analogies. Here is another example for you. When the UK government enacts a commission to look in something like the railways for example. The chair and commissioners are appointed by the PM. MP’s don’t get a say.... The commissioners you are on about are the ones put forward by the council, the mep,s only get to have a say in something that has already been decided dont think for one minute you had any say in it via your mep because you didn't.In fact i would say you or any other citizen had never even heard of them before let alone know what they stand for,there is no democracy in the elections of presidents. " The Commission President is proposed by the European Council and elected by the European Parliament. The Commission can be compared to the UK civil service though they additional responsibility for responsible for proposing legislation. Unlike the UK civil service. You via your MP have no say in the appointment of the Head of the civil service. Do you want a vote on these appointments? The structures of the EU are different to the way the UK is organised and thus seem unfamiliar. Ignorance in the understanding of how an organisation works does not make it undemocratic. | |||
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"Except European citizens can't vote her out.... "In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives. Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. You clearly have no idea how the EU works if you believe that. So for your understanding here is a lesson in democracy..... The EU has 3 elected bodies 1. The European Parliament this is where MEP’s sit as voted for by countries electorate. - This is known as direct election. 2. Council of Ministers this is the heads of governments of countries within the EU. As the heads of government are not normally chosen by the electorate. This is known as indirect election. 3. EU commission. Commissioners are proposed by the council of ministers and then voted on by MEP’s. Just like your elected MP votes on your behalf on bills brought to the House of Commons. Commissioner take an oath to ECJ to act in the best interests of the EU and not favour any one country. This is unlike the UK where we only elect the House of Commons and the House of Lords are by appointment or patronage. Hope your brain has managed to take all this in as I have an exam question for you.... Based on what you now know what has the greatest democratic deficit the UK or the EU ? If you find this question too hard I will give you a clue. The answer starts with a U. And a lesson for you in return, although I’m no big fan of the current Lords, at least the founding principle of disinterest has merit. The EU commission has never had genuine disinterest, quite the opposite, it has always been out for itself in the most grasping and nepotistic dynastic fashion (Kinnocks). And if a political party wants to propose to abolish the Lords, guess what, you can actually vote for it! How fantastic is that? The voters of Europe don’t get that chance. Think you’ll find the democratic deficit is firmly in Brussels. You seem to be equating the European Commission to the House of Lords. This is incorrect the European Commission is the executive branch of the European Union, responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding the EU treaties and managing the day-to-day business of the EU. As I explained electors do get a say on the commissioner’s elected via MEP’s It helps if you actually understand how the EU works and the roles of the bodies within. I know this can be confusing especially if you muddle up your analogies. Here is another example for you. When the UK government enacts a commission to look in something like the railways for example. The chair and commissioners are appointed by the PM. MP’s don’t get a say.... The commissioners you are on about are the ones put forward by the council, the mep,s only get to have a say in something that has already been decided dont think for one minute you had any say in it via your mep because you didn't.In fact i would say you or any other citizen had never even heard of them before let alone know what they stand for,there is no democracy in the elections of presidents. The Commission President is proposed by the European Council and elected by the European Parliament. The Commission can be compared to the UK civil service though they additional responsibility for responsible for proposing legislation. Unlike the UK civil service. You via your MP have no say in the appointment of the Head of the civil service. Do you want a vote on these appointments? The structures of the EU are different to the way the UK is organised and thus seem unfamiliar. Ignorance in the understanding of how an organisation works does not make it undemocratic." You've written that and you still think that sounds democratic? I don't think I can help you any further unfortunately. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. You clearly have no idea how the EU works if you believe that. So for your understanding here is a lesson in democracy..... The EU has 3 elected bodies 1. The European Parliament this is where MEP’s sit as voted for by countries electorate. - This is known as direct election. 2. Council of Ministers this is the heads of governments of countries within the EU. As the heads of government are not normally chosen by the electorate. This is known as indirect election. 3. EU commission. Commissioners are proposed by the council of ministers and then voted on by MEP’s. Just like your elected MP votes on your behalf on bills brought to the House of Commons. Commissioner take an oath to ECJ to act in the best interests of the EU and not favour any one country. This is unlike the UK where we only elect the House of Commons and the House of Lords are by appointment or patronage. Hope your brain has managed to take all this in as I have an exam question for you.... Based on what you now know what has the greatest democratic deficit the UK or the EU ? If you find this question too hard I will give you a clue. The answer starts with a U. And a lesson for you in return, although I’m no big fan of the current Lords, at least the founding principle of disinterest has merit. The EU commission has never had genuine disinterest, quite the opposite, it has always been out for itself in the most grasping and nepotistic dynastic fashion (Kinnocks). And if a political party wants to propose to abolish the Lords, guess what, you can actually vote for it! How fantastic is that? The voters of Europe don’t get that chance. Think you’ll find the democratic deficit is firmly in Brussels. You seem to be equating the European Commission to the House of Lords. This is incorrect the European Commission is the executive branch of the European Union, responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding the EU treaties and managing the day-to-day business of the EU. As I explained electors do get a say on the commissioner’s elected via MEP’s It helps if you actually understand how the EU works and the roles of the bodies within. I know this can be confusing especially if you muddle up your analogies. Here is another example for you. When the UK government enacts a commission to look in something like the railways for example. The chair and commissioners are appointed by the PM. MP’s don’t get a say.... The commissioners you are on about are the ones put forward by the council, the mep,s only get to have a say in something that has already been decided dont think for one minute you had any say in it via your mep because you didn't.In fact i would say you or any other citizen had never even heard of them before let alone know what they stand for,there is no democracy in the elections of presidents. The Commission President is proposed by the European Council and elected by the European Parliament. The Commission can be compared to the UK civil service though they additional responsibility for responsible for proposing legislation. Unlike the UK civil service. You via your MP have no say in the appointment of the Head of the civil service. Do you want a vote on these appointments? The structures of the EU are different to the way the UK is organised and thus seem unfamiliar. Ignorance in the understanding of how an organisation works does not make it undemocratic." The Commission can be compared to the UK civil service though they additional responsibility for responsible for proposing legislation. Unlike the UK civil service. so infact it cant be compared to the civil service at all then? No i dont the civil service is the stability and there to carry out the wishes of the government of the time the mep,s are there to carry out the wishes of the commission see the difference? | |||
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In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives.
Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed. "No it absolutely is not the same. Boris had to be voted in an an MP, he can be voted out as an MP or even recalled. Ursula never stood for election and can't be elected out. | |||
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In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives.
Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed.
No it absolutely is not the same. Boris had to be voted in an an MP, he can be voted out as an MP or even recalled. Ursula never stood for election and can't be elected out. " | |||
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"Except European citizens can't vote her out....
In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives.
Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed.
No it absolutely is not the same. Boris had to be voted in an an MP, he can be voted out as an MP or even recalled. Ursula never stood for election and can't be elected out. "She was elected as a commissioner You are mistaking the commission for European Parliament and comparing it to the UK parliament which is an incorrect analogy they both have different roles in there respective organisations | |||
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"Except European citizens can't vote her out....
In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives.
Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed.
No it absolutely is not the same. Boris had to be voted in an an MP, he can be voted out as an MP or even recalled. Ursula never stood for election and can't be elected out.
She was elected as a commissioner
You are mistaking the commission for European Parliament and comparing it to the UK parliament which is an incorrect analogy they both have different roles in there respective organisations"Let me just double check a copy of my last European election ballot sheet - Nope, her name wasn't on it. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. You clearly have no idea how the EU works if you believe that. So for your understanding here is a lesson in democracy..... The EU has 3 elected bodies 1. The European Parliament this is where MEP’s sit as voted for by countries electorate. - This is known as direct election. 2. Council of Ministers this is the heads of governments of countries within the EU. As the heads of government are not normally chosen by the electorate. This is known as indirect election. 3. EU commission. Commissioners are proposed by the council of ministers and then voted on by MEP’s. Just like your elected MP votes on your behalf on bills brought to the House of Commons. Commissioner take an oath to ECJ to act in the best interests of the EU and not favour any one country. This is unlike the UK where we only elect the House of Commons and the House of Lords are by appointment or patronage. Hope your brain has managed to take all this in as I have an exam question for you.... Based on what you now know what has the greatest democratic deficit the UK or the EU ? If you find this question too hard I will give you a clue. The answer starts with a U. And a lesson for you in return, although I’m no big fan of the current Lords, at least the founding principle of disinterest has merit. The EU commission has never had genuine disinterest, quite the opposite, it has always been out for itself in the most grasping and nepotistic dynastic fashion (Kinnocks). And if a political party wants to propose to abolish the Lords, guess what, you can actually vote for it! How fantastic is that? The voters of Europe don’t get that chance. Think you’ll find the democratic deficit is firmly in Brussels. You seem to be equating the European Commission to the House of Lords. This is incorrect the European Commission is the executive branch of the European Union, responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding the EU treaties and managing the day-to-day business of the EU. As I explained electors do get a say on the commissioner’s elected via MEP’s It helps if you actually understand how the EU works and the roles of the bodies within. I know this can be confusing especially if you muddle up your analogies. Here is another example for you. When the UK government enacts a commission to look in something like the railways for example. The chair and commissioners are appointed by the PM. MP’s don’t get a say.... The commissioners you are on about are the ones put forward by the council, the mep,s only get to have a say in something that has already been decided dont think for one minute you had any say in it via your mep because you didn't.In fact i would say you or any other citizen had never even heard of them before let alone know what they stand for,there is no democracy in the elections of presidents. The Commission President is proposed by the European Council and elected by the European Parliament. The Commission can be compared to the UK civil service though they additional responsibility for responsible for proposing legislation. Unlike the UK civil service. You via your MP have no say in the appointment of the Head of the civil service. Do you want a vote on these appointments? The structures of the EU are different to the way the UK is organised and thus seem unfamiliar. Ignorance in the understanding of how an organisation works does not make it undemocratic. The Commission can be compared to the UK civil service though they additional responsibility for responsible for proposing legislation. Unlike the UK civil service. so infact it cant be compared to the civil service at all then? No i dont the civil service is the stability and there to carry out the wishes of the government of the time the mep,s are there to carry out the wishes of the commission see the difference? " But unelected UK commissions propose legislation and changes to MPs to vote on. But the European Commissioners are actually elected as I have previously stated. | |||
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"Except European citizens can't vote her out....
In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives.
Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed.
No it absolutely is not the same. Boris had to be voted in an an MP, he can be voted out as an MP or even recalled. Ursula never stood for election and can't be elected out.
She was elected as a commissioner
You are mistaking the commission for European Parliament and comparing it to the UK parliament which is an incorrect analogy they both have different roles in there respective organisations
Let me just double check a copy of my last European election ballot sheet -
Nope, her name wasn't on it. "Your mistake in understanding how the EU is structured. Which is a common mistake. Voters in member states vote for MEPs not commissioners Commissioner are voted in by the MEPs That’s how it works it. You don’t get to vote on many things in the UK your MP does this on your behalf Exactly as an MEP does in the European Parliament. | |||
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"Except European citizens can't vote her out....
In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives.
Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed.
No it absolutely is not the same. Boris had to be voted in an an MP, he can be voted out as an MP or even recalled. Ursula never stood for election and can't be elected out.
She was elected as a commissioner
You are mistaking the commission for European Parliament and comparing it to the UK parliament which is an incorrect analogy they both have different roles in there respective organisations
Let me just double check a copy of my last European election ballot sheet -
Nope, her name wasn't on it.
Your mistake in understanding how the EU is structured. Which is a common mistake.
Voters in member states vote for MEPs not commissioners
Commissioner are voted in by the MEPs
That’s how it works it.
You don’t get to vote on many things in the UK your MP does this on your behalf
Exactly as an MEP does in the European Parliament.
"The presidents are not voted for by mep,s the mep,s vote on the ones selected for them to vote on, that is not democratic as proved in the last one 3 people were selected the mep,s didnt want any of them so the commission select another .It still amounts to the mep,s being told who they must vote for someone the commission want. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. You clearly have no idea how the EU works if you believe that. So for your understanding here is a lesson in democracy..... The EU has 3 elected bodies 1. The European Parliament this is where MEP’s sit as voted for by countries electorate. - This is known as direct election. 2. Council of Ministers this is the heads of governments of countries within the EU. As the heads of government are not normally chosen by the electorate. This is known as indirect election. 3. EU commission. Commissioners are proposed by the council of ministers and then voted on by MEP’s. Just like your elected MP votes on your behalf on bills brought to the House of Commons. Commissioner take an oath to ECJ to act in the best interests of the EU and not favour any one country. This is unlike the UK where we only elect the House of Commons and the House of Lords are by appointment or patronage. Hope your brain has managed to take all this in as I have an exam question for you.... Based on what you now know what has the greatest democratic deficit the UK or the EU ? If you find this question too hard I will give you a clue. The answer starts with a U. And a lesson for you in return, although I’m no big fan of the current Lords, at least the founding principle of disinterest has merit. The EU commission has never had genuine disinterest, quite the opposite, it has always been out for itself in the most grasping and nepotistic dynastic fashion (Kinnocks). And if a political party wants to propose to abolish the Lords, guess what, you can actually vote for it! How fantastic is that? The voters of Europe don’t get that chance. Think you’ll find the democratic deficit is firmly in Brussels. You seem to be equating the European Commission to the House of Lords. This is incorrect the European Commission is the executive branch of the European Union, responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding the EU treaties and managing the day-to-day business of the EU. As I explained electors do get a say on the commissioner’s elected via MEP’s It helps if you actually understand how the EU works and the roles of the bodies within. I know this can be confusing especially if you muddle up your analogies. Here is another example for you. When the UK government enacts a commission to look in something like the railways for example. The chair and commissioners are appointed by the PM. MP’s don’t get a say.... " In any situation where the voters are so far removed from the people who create the laws and have the power, there is always a lessening in how much those people have to care about what the general populations think and feel because they don't have the power to remove them via vote. The EU isn't the only system like this, the US is bad too because of the amount of layers between the voters and the power at the top. | |||
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"Except European citizens can't vote her out....
In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives.
Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed.
No it absolutely is not the same. Boris had to be voted in an an MP, he can be voted out as an MP or even recalled. Ursula never stood for election and can't be elected out.
She was elected as a commissioner
You are mistaking the commission for European Parliament and comparing it to the UK parliament which is an incorrect analogy they both have different roles in there respective organisations
Let me just double check a copy of my last European election ballot sheet -
Nope, her name wasn't on it.
Your mistake in understanding how the EU is structured. Which is a common mistake.
Voters in member states vote for MEPs not commissioners
Commissioner are voted in by the MEPs
That’s how it works it.
You don’t get to vote on many things in the UK your MP does this on your behalf
Exactly as an MEP does in the European Parliament.
The presidents are not voted for by mep,s the mep,s vote on the ones selected for them to vote on, that is not democratic as proved in the last one 3 people were selected the mep,s didnt want any of them so the commission select another .It still amounts to the mep,s being told who they must vote for someone the commission want."The European Commissioners are not the electorates representative that is the role of the MEP The commissioners role is to be completely independent in carrying out their duties during their mandate free of political interference. By having the commissioners elected by MEPs helps to maintain this neutrality. If you want direct election of the commissioners you might as well ask for direct election for directorate heads of the civil service or the Ambassador to North Korea while you are at it. If fact ask every civil servant to be elected. | |||
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"Except European citizens can't vote her out....
In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives.
Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed.
No it absolutely is not the same. Boris had to be voted in an an MP, he can be voted out as an MP or even recalled. Ursula never stood for election and can't be elected out.
She was elected as a commissioner
You are mistaking the commission for European Parliament and comparing it to the UK parliament which is an incorrect analogy they both have different roles in there respective organisations
Let me just double check a copy of my last European election ballot sheet -
Nope, her name wasn't on it.
Your mistake in understanding how the EU is structured. Which is a common mistake.
Voters in member states vote for MEPs not commissioners
Commissioner are voted in by the MEPs
That’s how it works it.
You don’t get to vote on many things in the UK your MP does this on your behalf
Exactly as an MEP does in the European Parliament.
The presidents are not voted for by mep,s the mep,s vote on the ones selected for them to vote on, that is not democratic as proved in the last one 3 people were selected the mep,s didnt want any of them so the commission select another .It still amounts to the mep,s being told who they must vote for someone the commission want.
The European Commissioners are not the electorates representative that is the role of the MEP
The commissioners role is to be completely independent in carrying out their duties during their mandate free of political interference.
By having the commissioners elected by MEPs helps to maintain this neutrality.
If you want direct election of the commissioners you might as well ask for direct election for directorate heads of the civil service or the Ambassador to North Korea while you are at it.
If fact ask every civil servant to be elected.
"The European Commissioners are not the electorates representative that is the role of the MEP.im glad you are begining to see that,these are the people who are making the decisions on what to vote for, your mep votes yes or no thats all he is not voting on what you want he is voting on what the commission wants or doesnt want nothing more. | |||
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"Except European citizens can't vote her out....
In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives.
Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed.
No it absolutely is not the same. Boris had to be voted in an an MP, he can be voted out as an MP or even recalled. Ursula never stood for election and can't be elected out.
She was elected as a commissioner
You are mistaking the commission for European Parliament and comparing it to the UK parliament which is an incorrect analogy they both have different roles in there respective organisations
Let me just double check a copy of my last European election ballot sheet -
Nope, her name wasn't on it.
Your mistake in understanding how the EU is structured. Which is a common mistake.
Voters in member states vote for MEPs not commissioners
Commissioner are voted in by the MEPs
That’s how it works it.
You don’t get to vote on many things in the UK your MP does this on your behalf
Exactly as an MEP does in the European Parliament.
The presidents are not voted for by mep,s the mep,s vote on the ones selected for them to vote on, that is not democratic as proved in the last one 3 people were selected the mep,s didnt want any of them so the commission select another .It still amounts to the mep,s being told who they must vote for someone the commission want.
The European Commissioners are not the electorates representative that is the role of the MEP
The commissioners role is to be completely independent in carrying out their duties during their mandate free of political interference.
By having the commissioners elected by MEPs helps to maintain this neutrality.
If you want direct election of the commissioners you might as well ask for direct election for directorate heads of the civil service or the Ambassador to North Korea while you are at it.
If fact ask every civil servant to be elected.
The European Commissioners are not the electorates representative that is the role of the MEP.im glad you are begining to see that,these are the people who are making the decisions on what to vote for, your mep votes yes or no thats all he is not voting on what you want he is voting on what the commission wants or doesnt want nothing more.
"Actually they are not making a decision they make proposals, drafts legislation and makes recommendations The MEPs make the decision not the commissioners it’s a difference. In a similar way an appointed UK commission (where nobody is elected) sends proposals to to government of the day which the government turns into legislation to suit their political agenda MPs then vote on it or are whipped into voting the government’s way. | |||
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"Except European citizens can't vote her out....
In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives.
Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed.
No it absolutely is not the same. Boris had to be voted in an an MP, he can be voted out as an MP or even recalled. Ursula never stood for election and can't be elected out.
She was elected as a commissioner
You are mistaking the commission for European Parliament and comparing it to the UK parliament which is an incorrect analogy they both have different roles in there respective organisations
Let me just double check a copy of my last European election ballot sheet -
Nope, her name wasn't on it.
Your mistake in understanding how the EU is structured. Which is a common mistake.
Voters in member states vote for MEPs not commissioners
Commissioner are voted in by the MEPs
That’s how it works it.
You don’t get to vote on many things in the UK your MP does this on your behalf
Exactly as an MEP does in the European Parliament.
The presidents are not voted for by mep,s the mep,s vote on the ones selected for them to vote on, that is not democratic as proved in the last one 3 people were selected the mep,s didnt want any of them so the commission select another .It still amounts to the mep,s being told who they must vote for someone the commission want.
The European Commissioners are not the electorates representative that is the role of the MEP
The commissioners role is to be completely independent in carrying out their duties during their mandate free of political interference.
By having the commissioners elected by MEPs helps to maintain this neutrality.
If you want direct election of the commissioners you might as well ask for direct election for directorate heads of the civil service or the Ambassador to North Korea while you are at it.
If fact ask every civil servant to be elected.
The European Commissioners are not the electorates representative that is the role of the MEP.im glad you are begining to see that,these are the people who are making the decisions on what to vote for, your mep votes yes or no thats all he is not voting on what you want he is voting on what the commission wants or doesnt want nothing more.
Actually they are not making a decision they make proposals, drafts legislation and makes recommendations
The MEPs make the decision not the commissioners it’s a difference.
In a similar way an appointed UK commission (where nobody is elected) sends proposals to to government of the day which the government turns into legislation to suit their political agenda MPs then vote on it or are whipped into voting the government’s way."I prefer the democracy where the people can go to their mp with a problem and they will look at it and if its worth it bring it up in parliament produce a white paper and see how it goes.So much better than waiting for some unelected twat to guess what you might have a problem with. But hey ho i guess we have to agree to disagree. | |||
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"Except European citizens can't vote her out....
In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives.
Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed.
No it absolutely is not the same. Boris had to be voted in an an MP, he can be voted out as an MP or even recalled. Ursula never stood for election and can't be elected out.
She was elected as a commissioner
You are mistaking the commission for European Parliament and comparing it to the UK parliament which is an incorrect analogy they both have different roles in there respective organisations
Let me just double check a copy of my last European election ballot sheet -
Nope, her name wasn't on it.
Your mistake in understanding how the EU is structured. Which is a common mistake.
Voters in member states vote for MEPs not commissioners
Commissioner are voted in by the MEPs
That’s how it works it.
You don’t get to vote on many things in the UK your MP does this on your behalf
Exactly as an MEP does in the European Parliament.
The presidents are not voted for by mep,s the mep,s vote on the ones selected for them to vote on, that is not democratic as proved in the last one 3 people were selected the mep,s didnt want any of them so the commission select another .It still amounts to the mep,s being told who they must vote for someone the commission want.
The European Commissioners are not the electorates representative that is the role of the MEP
The commissioners role is to be completely independent in carrying out their duties during their mandate free of political interference.
By having the commissioners elected by MEPs helps to maintain this neutrality.
If you want direct election of the commissioners you might as well ask for direct election for directorate heads of the civil service or the Ambassador to North Korea while you are at it.
If fact ask every civil servant to be elected.
The European Commissioners are not the electorates representative that is the role of the MEP.im glad you are begining to see that,these are the people who are making the decisions on what to vote for, your mep votes yes or no thats all he is not voting on what you want he is voting on what the commission wants or doesnt want nothing more.
Actually they are not making a decision they make proposals, drafts legislation and makes recommendations
The MEPs make the decision not the commissioners it’s a difference.
In a similar way an appointed UK commission (where nobody is elected) sends proposals to to government of the day which the government turns into legislation to suit their political agenda MPs then vote on it or are whipped into voting the government’s way.I prefer the democracy where the people can go to their mp with a problem and they will look at it and if its worth it bring it up in parliament produce a white paper and see how it goes.So much better than waiting for some unelected twat to guess what you might have a problem with.
But hey ho i guess we have to agree to disagree. "Again you have made the mistake of claiming they are not elected. | |||
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"Except European citizens can't vote her out....
In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives.
Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed.
No it absolutely is not the same. Boris had to be voted in an an MP, he can be voted out as an MP or even recalled. Ursula never stood for election and can't be elected out.
She was elected as a commissioner
You are mistaking the commission for European Parliament and comparing it to the UK parliament which is an incorrect analogy they both have different roles in there respective organisations
Let me just double check a copy of my last European election ballot sheet -
Nope, her name wasn't on it.
Your mistake in understanding how the EU is structured. Which is a common mistake.
Voters in member states vote for MEPs not commissioners
Commissioner are voted in by the MEPs
That’s how it works it.
You don’t get to vote on many things in the UK your MP does this on your behalf
Exactly as an MEP does in the European Parliament.
The presidents are not voted for by mep,s the mep,s vote on the ones selected for them to vote on, that is not democratic as proved in the last one 3 people were selected the mep,s didnt want any of them so the commission select another .It still amounts to the mep,s being told who they must vote for someone the commission want.
The European Commissioners are not the electorates representative that is the role of the MEP
The commissioners role is to be completely independent in carrying out their duties during their mandate free of political interference.
By having the commissioners elected by MEPs helps to maintain this neutrality.
If you want direct election of the commissioners you might as well ask for direct election for directorate heads of the civil service or the Ambassador to North Korea while you are at it.
If fact ask every civil servant to be elected.
The European Commissioners are not the electorates representative that is the role of the MEP.im glad you are begining to see that,these are the people who are making the decisions on what to vote for, your mep votes yes or no thats all he is not voting on what you want he is voting on what the commission wants or doesnt want nothing more.
Actually they are not making a decision they make proposals, drafts legislation and makes recommendations
The MEPs make the decision not the commissioners it’s a difference.
In a similar way an appointed UK commission (where nobody is elected) sends proposals to to government of the day which the government turns into legislation to suit their political agenda MPs then vote on it or are whipped into voting the government’s way.I prefer the democracy where the people can go to their mp with a problem and they will look at it and if its worth it bring it up in parliament produce a white paper and see how it goes.So much better than waiting for some unelected twat to guess what you might have a problem with.
But hey ho i guess we have to agree to disagree.
Again you have made the mistake of claiming they are not elected.
"I'm just gonna check the dictionary definition of "elected" hang on...... No they are not elected. | |||
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"Except European citizens can't vote her out....
In representational democracies the citizens elect people to be their representatives.
Those representatives voted for her on our behalf. It's the same way as our PM is appointed.
No it absolutely is not the same. Boris had to be voted in an an MP, he can be voted out as an MP or even recalled. Ursula never stood for election and can't be elected out.
She was elected as a commissioner
You are mistaking the commission for European Parliament and comparing it to the UK parliament which is an incorrect analogy they both have different roles in there respective organisations
Let me just double check a copy of my last European election ballot sheet -
Nope, her name wasn't on it.
Your mistake in understanding how the EU is structured. Which is a common mistake.
Voters in member states vote for MEPs not commissioners
Commissioner are voted in by the MEPs
That’s how it works it.
You don’t get to vote on many things in the UK your MP does this on your behalf
Exactly as an MEP does in the European Parliament.
The presidents are not voted for by mep,s the mep,s vote on the ones selected for them to vote on, that is not democratic as proved in the last one 3 people were selected the mep,s didnt want any of them so the commission select another .It still amounts to the mep,s being told who they must vote for someone the commission want.
The European Commissioners are not the electorates representative that is the role of the MEP
The commissioners role is to be completely independent in carrying out their duties during their mandate free of political interference.
By having the commissioners elected by MEPs helps to maintain this neutrality.
If you want direct election of the commissioners you might as well ask for direct election for directorate heads of the civil service or the Ambassador to North Korea while you are at it.
If fact ask every civil servant to be elected.
The European Commissioners are not the electorates representative that is the role of the MEP.im glad you are begining to see that,these are the people who are making the decisions on what to vote for, your mep votes yes or no thats all he is not voting on what you want he is voting on what the commission wants or doesnt want nothing more.
Actually they are not making a decision they make proposals, drafts legislation and makes recommendations
The MEPs make the decision not the commissioners it’s a difference.
In a similar way an appointed UK commission (where nobody is elected) sends proposals to to government of the day which the government turns into legislation to suit their political agenda MPs then vote on it or are whipped into voting the government’s way.I prefer the democracy where the people can go to their mp with a problem and they will look at it and if its worth it bring it up in parliament produce a white paper and see how it goes.So much better than waiting for some unelected twat to guess what you might have a problem with.
But hey ho i guess we have to agree to disagree.
Again you have made the mistake of claiming they are not elected.
I'm just gonna check the dictionary definition of "elected" hang on......
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. " Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. " Be honest could you find Uruguay on a map? If you can that's fine but be honest | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. Be honest could you find Uruguay on a map? If you can that's fine but be honest "I know exactly where Uruguay is as I have been to Montevideo, Lascano and Punta del Este. Have you been there and can you find it on a map ?? | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. Be honest could you find Uruguay on a map? If you can that's fine but be honest
I know exactly where Uruguay is as I have been to Montevideo, Lascano and Punta del Este.
Have you been there and can you find it on a map ??"No, I've never been out of Surrey, but as I say it's fine that you can. Haven't changed my view on PR. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. Be honest could you find Uruguay on a map? If you can that's fine but be honest
I know exactly where Uruguay is as I have been to Montevideo, Lascano and Punta del Este.
Have you been there and can you find it on a map ??
No, I've never been out of Surrey, but as I say it's fine that you can.
Haven't changed my view on PR. "Wow!!! ....That well traveled .... Must be the reason why you have such a balanced an unprejudiced world view.... | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. Be honest could you find Uruguay on a map? If you can that's fine but be honest
I know exactly where Uruguay is as I have been to Montevideo, Lascano and Punta del Este.
Have you been there and can you find it on a map ??
No, I've never been out of Surrey, but as I say it's fine that you can.
Haven't changed my view on PR.
Wow!!! ....That well traveled ....
Must be the reason why you have such a balanced an unprejudiced world view.... "Henry Cavendish and Emily Bronte never left their houses and they achieved quite a lot | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. Be honest could you find Uruguay on a map? If you can that's fine but be honest
I know exactly where Uruguay is as I have been to Montevideo, Lascano and Punta del Este.
Have you been there and can you find it on a map ??
No, I've never been out of Surrey, but as I say it's fine that you can.
Haven't changed my view on PR.
Wow!!! ....That well traveled ....
Must be the reason why you have such a balanced an unprejudiced world view....
Henry Cavendish and Emily Bronte never left their houses and they achieved quite a lot "Emily Bronte did spend most of her life in Haworth but also lived in Halifax for a time and travelled with her sister to Brussels. | |||
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I know exactly where Uruguay is as I have been to Montevideo, Lascano and Punta del Este.
Have you been there and can you find it on a map ??
No, I've never been out of Surrey, but as I say it's fine that you can.
Haven't changed my view on PR.
Wow!!! ....That well traveled ....
Must be the reason why you have such a balanced an unprejudiced world view....
Henry Cavendish and Emily Bronte never left their houses and they achieved quite a lot
Emily Bronte did spend most of her life in Haworth but also lived in Halifax for a time and travelled with her sister to Brussels.
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. Be honest could you find Uruguay on a map? If you can that's fine but be honest
I know exactly where Uruguay is as I have been to Montevideo, Lascano and Punta del Este.
Have you been there and can you find it on a map ??
No, I've never been out of Surrey, but as I say it's fine that you can.
Haven't changed my view on PR.
Wow!!! ....That well traveled ....
Must be the reason why you have such a balanced an unprejudiced world view....
Henry Cavendish and Emily Bronte never left their houses and they achieved quite a lot
Emily Bronte did spend most of her life in Haworth but also lived in Halifax for a time and travelled with her sister to Brussels.
Please tell me she wasn't pro Brussels "I knew that you would like the fact that she went to Brussels to study both French and German. Though I’m not sure the EU was in existence in the 1840’s | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. Be honest could you find Uruguay on a map? If you can that's fine but be honest
I know exactly where Uruguay is as I have been to Montevideo, Lascano and Punta del Este.
Have you been there and can you find it on a map ??
No, I've never been out of Surrey, but as I say it's fine that you can.
Haven't changed my view on PR.
Wow!!! ....That well traveled ....
Must be the reason why you have such a balanced an unprejudiced world view....
Henry Cavendish and Emily Bronte never left their houses and they achieved quite a lot
Emily Bronte did spend most of her life in Haworth but also lived in Halifax for a time and travelled with her sister to Brussels.
Please tell me she wasn't pro Brussels
I knew that you would like the fact that she went to Brussels to study both French and German.
Though I’m not sure the EU was in existence in the 1840’s"Reading more about her, apparently she lasted one term in Brussels, hated it and came home. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. Be honest could you find Uruguay on a map? If you can that's fine but be honest
I know exactly where Uruguay is as I have been to Montevideo, Lascano and Punta del Este.
Have you been there and can you find it on a map ??
No, I've never been out of Surrey, but as I say it's fine that you can.
Haven't changed my view on PR.
Wow!!! ....That well traveled ....
Must be the reason why you have such a balanced an unprejudiced world view....
Henry Cavendish and Emily Bronte never left their houses and they achieved quite a lot
Emily Bronte did spend most of her life in Haworth but also lived in Halifax for a time and travelled with her sister to Brussels.
Please tell me she wasn't pro Brussels
I knew that you would like the fact that she went to Brussels to study both French and German.
Though I’m not sure the EU was in existence in the 1840’s
Reading more about her, apparently she lasted one term in Brussels, hated it and came home. "Not a good advert for the erasmus scheme then? | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. Be honest could you find Uruguay on a map? If you can that's fine but be honest
I know exactly where Uruguay is as I have been to Montevideo, Lascano and Punta del Este.
Have you been there and can you find it on a map ??
No, I've never been out of Surrey, but as I say it's fine that you can.
Haven't changed my view on PR.
Wow!!! ....That well traveled ....
Must be the reason why you have such a balanced an unprejudiced world view....
Henry Cavendish and Emily Bronte never left their houses and they achieved quite a lot
Emily Bronte did spend most of her life in Haworth but also lived in Halifax for a time and travelled with her sister to Brussels.
Please tell me she wasn't pro Brussels
I knew that you would like the fact that she went to Brussels to study both French and German.
Though I’m not sure the EU was in existence in the 1840’s
Reading more about her, apparently she lasted one term in Brussels, hated it and came home. Not a good advert for the erasmus scheme then? "I wonder what your own experience of Erasmus must be. Probably earth shattering. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. Be honest could you find Uruguay on a map? If you can that's fine but be honest
I know exactly where Uruguay is as I have been to Montevideo, Lascano and Punta del Este.
Have you been there and can you find it on a map ??
No, I've never been out of Surrey, but as I say it's fine that you can.
Haven't changed my view on PR.
Wow!!! ....That well traveled ....
Must be the reason why you have such a balanced an unprejudiced world view....
Henry Cavendish and Emily Bronte never left their houses and they achieved quite a lot
Emily Bronte did spend most of her life in Haworth but also lived in Halifax for a time and travelled with her sister to Brussels.
Please tell me she wasn't pro Brussels
I knew that you would like the fact that she went to Brussels to study both French and German.
Though I’m not sure the EU was in existence in the 1840’s
Reading more about her, apparently she lasted one term in Brussels, hated it and came home. Not a good advert for the erasmus scheme then? "I’m not sure the official erasmus scheme was around then. From contemporary reports she was thought of highly by her teachers....  | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. Be honest could you find Uruguay on a map? If you can that's fine but be honest
I know exactly where Uruguay is as I have been to Montevideo, Lascano and Punta del Este.
Have you been there and can you find it on a map ??
No, I've never been out of Surrey, but as I say it's fine that you can.
Haven't changed my view on PR.
Wow!!! ....That well traveled ....
Must be the reason why you have such a balanced an unprejudiced world view....
Henry Cavendish and Emily Bronte never left their houses and they achieved quite a lot
Emily Bronte did spend most of her life in Haworth but also lived in Halifax for a time and travelled with her sister to Brussels.
Please tell me she wasn't pro Brussels
I knew that you would like the fact that she went to Brussels to study both French and German.
Though I’m not sure the EU was in existence in the 1840’s
Reading more about her, apparently she lasted one term in Brussels, hated it and came home. Not a good advert for the erasmus scheme then?
I wonder what your own experience of Erasmus must be. Probably earth shattering. "I went to the school of life mate and did ok out of it. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Uruguay is actually a politically, economically, and socially stable country. Had an election back in 2019 (I think) and returned a centre right government - which probably gets your approval - after 15 years of a previous government. The main reason why most voters elected this government was that they just wanted a change. No economic turmoil or social unrest. If fact Uruguay is sometimes referred to as the Latin Switzerland due to how stable it is for banking. But don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudices about South American countries. I’m also guessing that Sweden which also has PR is politically unstable. Be honest could you find Uruguay on a map? If you can that's fine but be honest
I know exactly where Uruguay is as I have been to Montevideo, Lascano and Punta del Este.
Have you been there and can you find it on a map ??
No, I've never been out of Surrey, but as I say it's fine that you can.
Haven't changed my view on PR.
Wow!!! ....That well traveled ....
Must be the reason why you have such a balanced an unprejudiced world view....
Henry Cavendish and Emily Bronte never left their houses and they achieved quite a lot
Emily Bronte did spend most of her life in Haworth but also lived in Halifax for a time and travelled with her sister to Brussels.
Please tell me she wasn't pro Brussels
I knew that you would like the fact that she went to Brussels to study both French and German.
Though I’m not sure the EU was in existence in the 1840’s
Reading more about her, apparently she lasted one term in Brussels, hated it and came home. Not a good advert for the erasmus scheme then?
I wonder what your own experience of Erasmus must be. Probably earth shattering. I went to the school of life mate and did ok out of it. "Yeah that’s what I thought.... We all attend school of life by the way. | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. " Germany pisses on us economically and in virtually every measure you chose apart from aircraft carriers . Even then they can afford them more than we can . | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Germany pisses on us economically and in virtually every measure you chose apart from aircraft carriers . Even then they can afford them more than we can . " Another good reason for leaving the EU then | |||
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"The fact is the EU is basically a non democratic organisation allways has been allways will be be more corupt than most third world countries. Do you agree with proportional representation? In theory it is good but in practice tends to give weak government and instability Really.... ??? There are 89 countries in the world who use a version of PR. Theses include Germany, Finland, Lichtenstein, New Zealand, Uruguay. South Africa.... Are these places with unstable and weak governments ? The German system is absurdly complicated and in fact the first part of it is first past the post anyway. I wouldn't copy anything off any of the other countries in your list (Uruguay lol), and most people couldn't find them on a map. Germany pisses on us economically and in virtually every measure you chose apart from aircraft carriers . Even then they can afford them more than we can . Another good reason for leaving the EU then "Your logic fails . It proves you can do well inside the EU if you have a good government. Especially one that doesn’t try to blame their incompetence on the EU to hide the truth. | |||
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