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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... " Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. " Not sure how you have managed to twist the blame on this one, Unless you are referring to the withdrawn EU threat of blocking vaccine imports to the UK via Northern Ireland. This is about port official stopping work on inspections of animal-based products being exported to N. I. from the UK due to death threats from sections of the loyalist communities. Might help if you knew the difference between import and export and which way the rules are applied. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. Not sure how you have managed to twist the blame on this one, Unless you are referring to the withdrawn EU threat of blocking vaccine imports to the UK via Northern Ireland. This is about port official stopping work on inspections of animal-based products being exported to N. I. from the UK due to death threats from sections of the loyalist communities. Might help if you knew the difference between import and export and which way the rules are applied." It's got nothing to do with on and not the other. It's only just started with this. Watch this space and you'll see the EU has made a balls up bigger than they realised. They just opened the can of worms when they deliberately and strategically triggered article 16. They knew what they were doing but didn't understand the impact as much as they thought. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. " She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff" Did we not threaten the same thing several weeks ago? | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Did we not threaten the same thing several weeks ago?" Yeah but that was the European Unions fault too, they wouldn't listen to Boris and his oven ready deal. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Did we not threaten the same thing several weeks ago? Yeah but that was the European Unions fault too, they wouldn't listen to Boris and his oven ready deal." Gotcha 
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Did we not threaten the same thing several weeks ago? Yeah but that was the European Unions fault too, they wouldn't listen to Boris and his oven ready deal. Gotcha
I wondered why there wasnt this level of outrage then."There was non as he actually said he would have no hesitation in invoking article 16 . Mr Johnson told parliament this afternoon (Wednesday 13), “What I can certainly guarantee is that if there are serious problems in victualling or supplying supermarkets in Northern Ireland because of some piece of bureaucracy that’s misapplied then we will simply exercise Article 16 of the protocol. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff" Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Did we not threaten the same thing several weeks ago? Yeah but that was the European Unions fault too, they wouldn't listen to Boris and his oven ready deal. Gotcha
I wondered why there wasnt this level of outrage then.There was non as he actually said he would have no hesitation in invoking article 16 .
Mr Johnson told parliament this afternoon (Wednesday 13), “What I can certainly guarantee is that if there are serious problems in victualling or supplying supermarkets in Northern Ireland because of some piece of bureaucracy that’s misapplied then we will simply exercise Article 16 of the protocol.
"And the reason he gave for this threat is acceptable to you? Supplying supermarkets? | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts " Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so" Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. " I think the whole point is that Dublin wasn't consulted  | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. I think the whole point is that Dublin wasn't consulted "A clear demonstration again that many have said, the may represent but they don't necessarily consultant those it directly applies too. They think they are better and bigger than the sum of their make up. They have forgotten, they are only because if their make up. | |||
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"Ursula instead of consulting with the might of EU decided to only use few close advisors to act quickly. She'd been slapped for that from inside. The thing that she has done is clearly demonstrate that she not her close advisors did not understand what article 16 was there for. Her action showed that by triggering it with such an excuse if a reason that it wasn't even funny to be laughed at. The world responded almost before it had time to breath. Trust is the one thing that she killed in one stupid action of EU selfishness. Any meagre elements if trust that were there had been dashed. This will have far reaching implications not just on this border issue but in any future dealings between No 10 and the EU." You talk about trust, yet BoZo Johnson was quite happy to break international law. Not sure who mentioned the EU not consulting Ireland, but you need to take a look at the lack of consultation between Westminster and the devolved governments. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. I think the whole point is that Dublin wasn't consulted "Dublin was consulted and shot it down How hard is that to grasp | |||
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"The OP actually was talking about the trade barrier between the mainland and NI...... not the one on the island of Ireland!!" the government appear incapable of controlling either now that they do not have the assistance of the EU. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. I think the whole point is that Dublin wasn't consulted
Dublin was consulted and shot it down
How hard is that to grasp "???? What total hogwash my friend...lmao. Sorry to burst your wee bubble but Dublin was sidelined and ignored in the triggering. They had no idea it was happening. People need to look closely at what happened. They did not consult anyone. It's printed everywhere, she only consulted her closest advisors before triggering it, which she did do. There is a clause in that article which then allows the other to challenge it, which the British government did immediately. That's when Dublin and other EU countries jumped down her throat. Obviously she did not represent the EU on this yet has been given the power but clearly not the mandate. Let's see how long she lasts and her close advisors. "The British and Irish governments both registered official protests with the European Commission on Friday over its moves to override a crucial part of the Brexit deal following a fight over the supply of coronavirus vaccines." | |||
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"Can we all agree that triggering article 16 is a bad idea and should never happen again?? "Of course but we can only castigate the eu for doing it. | |||
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"Can we all agree that triggering article 16 is a bad idea and should never happen again??
Of course but we can only castigate the eu for doing it."Don't start with all that Boris done it shit. We both know that's not true  | |||
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"Can we all agree that triggering article 16 is a bad idea and should never happen again??
Of course but we can only castigate the eu for doing it.
Don't start with all that Boris done it shit. We both know that's not true "Let us all agree that revoking article 16 is a terrible idea and should never happen ?? | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. I think the whole point is that Dublin wasn't consulted
Dublin was consulted and shot it down
How hard is that to grasp
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What total hogwash my friend...lmao. Sorry to burst your wee bubble but Dublin was sidelined and ignored in the triggering. They had no idea it was happening. People need to look closely at what happened. They did not consult anyone. It's printed everywhere, she only consulted her closest advisors before triggering it, which she did do. There is a clause in that article which then allows the other to challenge it, which the British government did immediately. That's when Dublin and other EU countries jumped down her throat. Obviously she did not represent the EU on this yet has been given the power but clearly not the mandate. Let's see how long she lasts and her close advisors.
"The British and Irish governments both registered official protests with the European Commission on Friday over its moves to override a crucial part of the Brexit deal following a fight over the supply of coronavirus vaccines.""What you have said has no foundation in reality, if you find that you're have trouble discerning what is reality then please contact a medical professional. The EU did not trigger article 16. It published a proposal for draft regulations on a website. The regulations were never formally adopted and they were not published in the "Official Journal" website where all adopted regulations are published. When the problem with article 16 was pointed out to the EU it withdrew the draft immediately. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. I think the whole point is that Dublin wasn't consulted
Dublin was consulted and shot it down
How hard is that to grasp
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What total hogwash my friend...lmao. Sorry to burst your wee bubble but Dublin was sidelined and ignored in the triggering. They had no idea it was happening. People need to look closely at what happened. They did not consult anyone. It's printed everywhere, she only consulted her closest advisors before triggering it, which she did do. There is a clause in that article which then allows the other to challenge it, which the British government did immediately. That's when Dublin and other EU countries jumped down her throat. Obviously she did not represent the EU on this yet has been given the power but clearly not the mandate. Let's see how long she lasts and her close advisors.
"The British and Irish governments both registered official protests with the European Commission on Friday over its moves to override a crucial part of the Brexit deal following a fight over the supply of coronavirus vaccines."
What you have said has no foundation in reality, if you find that you're have trouble discerning what is reality then please contact a medical professional.
The EU did not trigger article 16. It published a proposal for draft regulations on a website. The regulations were never formally adopted and they were not published in the "Official Journal" website where all adopted regulations are published.
When the problem with article 16 was pointed out to the EU it withdrew the draft immediately. "You're right, it wasn't actually triggered and was withdrawn before that publication. Are we actually gonna pretend that she didn't make the decision to trigger it though? If it didn't receive such backlash it would've been triggered and that is the important part. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. I think the whole point is that Dublin wasn't consulted
Dublin was consulted and shot it down
How hard is that to grasp
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What total hogwash my friend...lmao. Sorry to burst your wee bubble but Dublin was sidelined and ignored in the triggering. They had no idea it was happening. People need to look closely at what happened. They did not consult anyone. It's printed everywhere, she only consulted her closest advisors before triggering it, which she did do. There is a clause in that article which then allows the other to challenge it, which the British government did immediately. That's when Dublin and other EU countries jumped down her throat. Obviously she did not represent the EU on this yet has been given the power but clearly not the mandate. Let's see how long she lasts and her close advisors.
"The British and Irish governments both registered official protests with the European Commission on Friday over its moves to override a crucial part of the Brexit deal following a fight over the supply of coronavirus vaccines."
What you have said has no foundation in reality, if you find that you're have trouble discerning what is reality then please contact a medical professional.
The EU did not trigger article 16. It published a proposal for draft regulations on a website. The regulations were never formally adopted and they were not published in the "Official Journal" website where all adopted regulations are published.
When the problem with article 16 was pointed out to the EU it withdrew the draft immediately. "You may not understand that there is a process involved to impliment it and it was triggered. Every report states it was triggered, and it was withdrawn without following through. I could give you multiple sources but rather think you're not the type to listen. However I'll post one from source an European paper, so as to remove as much bias as possible. Politico, Wed. 3 February 2021. Dublin and London blast Brussels over Brexit deal override in vaccine fight The UK government is ‘considering next steps’ after the Commission’s decision to suspend the Northern Ireland Protocol. Irish Prime Minister Micheal Martin, his British counterpart Boris Johnson and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen | Source photos via Getty Images BY EMILIO CASALICCHIO, SHAWN POGATCHNIK, ANNA ISAAC AND CRISTINA GALLARDO January 29, 2021 9:02 pm Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Linkedin Mail Print LONDON — The British and Irish governments both registered official protests with the European Commission on Friday over its moves to override a crucial part of the Brexit deal following a fight over the supply of coronavirus vaccines. From Saturday, the bloc will impose export controls on jabs made on the Continent to some 100 nations worldwide, which will cover Northern Ireland as part of the U.K. — imposing an effective trade border with the Republic. Brussels triggered Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol in order to do so, which allows one side to unilaterally override the deal in certain circumstances. The move is explosive because it is anathema to the Good Friday Agreement, aimed at securing peace on the island of Ireland, and could trigger a retaliatory move from the U.K. The Commission said it triggered Article 16 using the emergency procedure, which allows it to “act fast before the Member States are formally consulted” due to “the urgency of the situation, justified by the lack of transparency in a time where the production and delivery of vaccines is still in the building-up phase and the ensuing temporary global shortage.” U.K. Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove called European Commission Vice President Maroš Šefcovic “to express the U.K.’s concern over a lack of notification from the EU about its actions in relation to the Northern Ireland protocol,” a Downing Street spokesperson said. Gove said Britain would “now be carefully considering next steps.” “The U.K. has legally-binding agreements with vaccine suppliers and it would not expect the EU, as a friend and ally, to do anything to disrupt the fulfilment of these contracts,” the spokesperson said, “The U.K. government has reiterated the importance of preserving the benefits of the Belfast/Good Friday agreement and the commitments that have been made to the two communities.” The Irish government was also taken by surprise. “Irish Prime Minister Micheál Martin telephoned Commission President [Ursula] von der Leyen tonight to express his government’s unease and unhappiness with the move,” said a spokesperson for the Irish government. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. I think the whole point is that Dublin wasn't consulted
Dublin was consulted and shot it down
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What total hogwash my friend...lmao. Sorry to burst your wee bubble but Dublin was sidelined and ignored in the triggering. They had no idea it was happening. People need to look closely at what happened. They did not consult anyone. It's printed everywhere, she only consulted her closest advisors before triggering it, which she did do. There is a clause in that article which then allows the other to challenge it, which the British government did immediately. That's when Dublin and other EU countries jumped down her throat. Obviously she did not represent the EU on this yet has been given the power but clearly not the mandate. Let's see how long she lasts and her close advisors.
"The British and Irish governments both registered official protests with the European Commission on Friday over its moves to override a crucial part of the Brexit deal following a fight over the supply of coronavirus vaccines."
What you have said has no foundation in reality, if you find that you're have trouble discerning what is reality then please contact a medical professional.
The EU did not trigger article 16. It published a proposal for draft regulations on a website. The regulations were never formally adopted and they were not published in the "Official Journal" website where all adopted regulations are published.
When the problem with article 16 was pointed out to the EU it withdrew the draft immediately.
You're right, it wasn't actually triggered and was withdrawn before that publication. Are we actually gonna pretend that she didn't make the decision to trigger it though?
If it didn't receive such backlash it would've been triggered and that is the important part.
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"Either way it has shown you cannot trust the EU to look at your vested interests even if they have spent 5 yrs trying their best and suddenly forget all that in a split angered decision to cover up their own lack of forward planning." I will ask you the same question, article 16 should never be revoked by either the EU or the UK? | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. I think the whole point is that Dublin wasn't consulted
Dublin was consulted and shot it down
How hard is that to grasp
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What total hogwash my friend...lmao. Sorry to burst your wee bubble but Dublin was sidelined and ignored in the triggering. They had no idea it was happening. People need to look closely at what happened. They did not consult anyone. It's printed everywhere, she only consulted her closest advisors before triggering it, which she did do. There is a clause in that article which then allows the other to challenge it, which the British government did immediately. That's when Dublin and other EU countries jumped down her throat. Obviously she did not represent the EU on this yet has been given the power but clearly not the mandate. Let's see how long she lasts and her close advisors.
"The British and Irish governments both registered official protests with the European Commission on Friday over its moves to override a crucial part of the Brexit deal following a fight over the supply of coronavirus vaccines."
What you have said has no foundation in reality, if you find that you're have trouble discerning what is reality then please contact a medical professional.
The EU did not trigger article 16. It published a proposal for draft regulations on a website. The regulations were never formally adopted and they were not published in the "Official Journal" website where all adopted regulations are published.
When the problem with article 16 was pointed out to the EU it withdrew the draft immediately.
You're right, it wasn't actually triggered and was withdrawn before that publication. Are we actually gonna pretend that she didn't make the decision to trigger it though?
If it didn't receive such backlash it would've been triggered and that is the important part.
So, article 16 should never be revoked or threatened to be revoked in the future??"No one in here has said or implied that. The one thing myself and many have is that by doing this they have finished the value of it. It was never intended for this. | |||
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"Either way it has shown you cannot trust the EU to look at your vested interests even if they have spent 5 yrs trying their best and suddenly forget all that in a split angered decision to cover up their own lack of forward planning. I will ask you the same question, article 16 should never be revoked by either the EU or the UK?" And I gave answered , so have numerous others if you bothered to look. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. I think the whole point is that Dublin wasn't consulted
Dublin was consulted and shot it down
How hard is that to grasp
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What total hogwash my friend...lmao. Sorry to burst your wee bubble but Dublin was sidelined and ignored in the triggering. They had no idea it was happening. People need to look closely at what happened. They did not consult anyone. It's printed everywhere, she only consulted her closest advisors before triggering it, which she did do. There is a clause in that article which then allows the other to challenge it, which the British government did immediately. That's when Dublin and other EU countries jumped down her throat. Obviously she did not represent the EU on this yet has been given the power but clearly not the mandate. Let's see how long she lasts and her close advisors.
"The British and Irish governments both registered official protests with the European Commission on Friday over its moves to override a crucial part of the Brexit deal following a fight over the supply of coronavirus vaccines."
What you have said has no foundation in reality, if you find that you're have trouble discerning what is reality then please contact a medical professional.
The EU did not trigger article 16. It published a proposal for draft regulations on a website. The regulations were never formally adopted and they were not published in the "Official Journal" website where all adopted regulations are published.
When the problem with article 16 was pointed out to the EU it withdrew the draft immediately.
You're right, it wasn't actually triggered and was withdrawn before that publication. Are we actually gonna pretend that she didn't make the decision to trigger it though?
If it didn't receive such backlash it would've been triggered and that is the important part.
So, article 16 should never be revoked or threatened to be revoked in the future??
No one in here has said or implied that. The one thing myself and many have is that by doing this they have finished the value of it. It was never intended for this."So it’s ok for Boris to threaten to revoke article 16? | |||
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"Either way it has shown you cannot trust the EU to look at your vested interests even if they have spent 5 yrs trying their best and suddenly forget all that in a split angered decision to cover up their own lack of forward planning. I will ask you the same question, article 16 should never be revoked by either the EU or the UK? And I gave answered , so have numerous others if you bothered to look." Thank you | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. I think the whole point is that Dublin wasn't consulted
Dublin was consulted and shot it down
How hard is that to grasp
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What total hogwash my friend...lmao. Sorry to burst your wee bubble but Dublin was sidelined and ignored in the triggering. They had no idea it was happening. People need to look closely at what happened. They did not consult anyone. It's printed everywhere, she only consulted her closest advisors before triggering it, which she did do. There is a clause in that article which then allows the other to challenge it, which the British government did immediately. That's when Dublin and other EU countries jumped down her throat. Obviously she did not represent the EU on this yet has been given the power but clearly not the mandate. Let's see how long she lasts and her close advisors.
"The British and Irish governments both registered official protests with the European Commission on Friday over its moves to override a crucial part of the Brexit deal following a fight over the supply of coronavirus vaccines."
What you have said has no foundation in reality, if you find that you're have trouble discerning what is reality then please contact a medical professional.
The EU did not trigger article 16. It published a proposal for draft regulations on a website. The regulations were never formally adopted and they were not published in the "Official Journal" website where all adopted regulations are published.
When the problem with article 16 was pointed out to the EU it withdrew the draft immediately.
You're right, it wasn't actually triggered and was withdrawn before that publication. Are we actually gonna pretend that she didn't make the decision to trigger it though?
If it didn't receive such backlash it would've been triggered and that is the important part.
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"Gove threatening to invoke article 16 again " Ah, but that will be ok for some people on here | |||
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"Gove threatening to invoke article 16 again Ah, but that will be ok for some people on here "Course it will...still be the EU's fault. | |||
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"Gove threatening to invoke article 16 again " Again? | |||
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"He has wrote a letter to the eu ..if its not possible to agree a way foreword the uk will consider using all instruments at his disposal '" Instruments? Is he going to play the Trombone until he gets what he wants | |||
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"The folk doing the threatening appear to be loyalist paramilitary groups, essentially armed criminal gangs. These gangs run the drug trade in NI and also organise distribution to the ROI. Previously their "product" would be imported to the UK mainland before being shipped over the Irish Sea to Belfast/Larne, only having to pass through customs once at the UK border. Now that this is no longer the case and goods are required to clear customs on arrival to NI this very lucrative smuggling business has just become a hell of a lot more difficult and a lot of very dangerous people are really not happy about it. This situation has the potential to get very ugly IMO, the death threats these kind of people make are very real. If you work border control and they tell you not to go to work then you don't go to work, unless you want shot for your trouble! " Never thought about it from that angle | |||
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"The folk doing the threatening appear to be loyalist paramilitary groups, essentially armed criminal gangs. These gangs run the drug trade in NI and also organise distribution to the ROI. Previously their "product" would be imported to the UK mainland before being shipped over the Irish Sea to Belfast/Larne, only having to pass through customs once at the UK border. Now that this is no longer the case and goods are required to clear customs on arrival to NI this very lucrative smuggling business has just become a hell of a lot more difficult and a lot of very dangerous people are really not happy about it. This situation has the potential to get very ugly IMO, the death threats these kind of people make are very real. If you work border control and they tell you not to go to work then you don't go to work, unless you want shot for your trouble! " First of all the spraypainters are operating with the connivance of the DUP, secondly there's no reason why the customs checks can't be relocated to the UK IF there is a an actual problem. | |||
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"The folk doing the threatening appear to be loyalist paramilitary groups, essentially armed criminal gangs. These gangs run the drug trade in NI and also organise distribution to the ROI. Previously their "product" would be imported to the UK mainland before being shipped over the Irish Sea to Belfast/Larne, only having to pass through customs once at the UK border. Now that this is no longer the case and goods are required to clear customs on arrival to NI this very lucrative smuggling business has just become a hell of a lot more difficult and a lot of very dangerous people are really not happy about it. This situation has the potential to get very ugly IMO, the death threats these kind of people make are very real. If you work border control and they tell you not to go to work then you don't go to work, unless you want shot for your trouble! " have you just watched the new marcela that’s basically the script lol | |||
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"He has wrote a letter to the eu ..if its not possible to agree a way foreword the uk will consider using all instruments at his disposal ' Instruments? Is he going to play the Trombone until he gets what he wants " Whah Whah Whah Whah !!! | |||
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"DUP have announced that it plans to stop north-south activities related to the N.I. Protocol UK government has written to the European Union asking for a long extension to the grace period for the Irish Sea boarder as was due to expire in April they now want to extend it to 2023.... Anyone would think this “fantastic” Brexit deal is beginning to unravel before our eyes.... who would have ever guessed this ..... " It's reinforced my view that the root cause was the soft touch GFA that avoided enforcing drug, cigarette and fuel smuggling. Was always going to end in tears. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. " Dublin was not consulted beforehand as confirmed by the Irish leaders and the EU. They had to contact Ursula after hearing the announcement. Only then did the EU realise it was a mistake. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. Dublin was not consulted beforehand as confirmed by the Irish leaders and the EU. They had to contact Ursula after hearing the announcement. Only then did the EU realise it was a mistake." /sigh The EU did not trigger article 16. It published a proposal for draft regulations on a website. The regulations were never formally adopted and they were not published in the "Official Journal" website where all adopted regulations are published. When the problem with article 16 was pointed out to the EU it withdrew the draft immediately. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. Dublin was not consulted beforehand as confirmed by the Irish leaders and the EU. They had to contact Ursula after hearing the announcement. Only then did the EU realise it was a mistake. /sigh The EU did not trigger article 16. It published a proposal for draft regulations on a website. The regulations were never formally adopted and they were not published in the "Official Journal" website where all adopted regulations are published. When the problem with article 16 was pointed out to the EU it withdrew the draft immediately. " You can't disagree the notice of intent by the Commission blind sided the Irish government. Must be disappointing for Ireland to discover second hand the border was going to be used so flippantly, especially having been assured by the commission they are front and centre on the implementation of the WA and Ireland protocol. As you say, the commission dialled back their intentions when it was pointed out to them by everyone concerned - shame it reached that point though when a quick call would have saved a great deal more than just the commissions blushes. | |||
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"Another Brexit bonus. It was much easier to write some crap on the side of a bus than saying that Northern Ireland could become a mess. " Well the UK was warned in 2016 of the implication for NI by the EU, the USA, Ireland and several UK politicians including 2 former prime ministers. Parliament also voted against T May's deal 3 times. Her deal would have prevented the sea border but would have meant the UK remaining in a customs union with the EU. I will guarantee it will not kick off here again. This situation is the doing of the DUP and the Conservative party under the leadership of Boris Johnson. | |||
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"I do find it quite amusing people from England telling someone from Ireland exactly what the Irish gmnt did ." What if its an irish person saying what happened. Someone closely involved for instance. | |||
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"Another Brexit bonus. It was much easier to write some crap on the side of a bus than saying that Northern Ireland could become a mess. Well the UK was warned in 2016 of the implication for NI by the EU, the USA, Ireland and several UK politicians including 2 former prime ministers. Parliament also voted against T May's deal 3 times. Her deal would have prevented the sea border but would have meant the UK remaining in a customs union with the EU. I will guarantee it will not kick off here again. This situation is the doing of the DUP and the Conservative party under the leadership of Boris Johnson. " It really shows more than anything the DUP's last desperate bid to be of relevance in the 6 counties . Not long now for 32. | |||
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"I do find it quite amusing people from England telling someone from Ireland exactly what the Irish gmnt did . What if its an irish person saying what happened. Someone closely involved for instance." I bet that person is Someone associated with the DUP? | |||
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"As I said at the beginning. The EU have shown that after all these years they, the leaders do not understand the complexities of the issues. The issue in the North were something they had overlooked. What they have triggered is something far bigger than article 16. There are government leaders north and south sweating it and burning the late night oils as a result of stupidity. They may have undone what some have worked at for years, maybe Uniting a very fractured political wing and maybe set back some agendas by years. Either way the EU unknowingly has lit a torch where it should never have been lit. " None of this would have happened without Brexit | |||
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"I do find it quite amusing people from England telling someone from Ireland exactly what the Irish gmnt did . What if its an irish person saying what happened. Someone closely involved for instance. I bet that person is Someone associated with the DUP? " Nope someone in ROI. Rather senior too | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. Dublin was not consulted beforehand as confirmed by the Irish leaders and the EU. They had to contact Ursula after hearing the announcement. Only then did the EU realise it was a mistake. /sigh The EU did not trigger article 16. It published a proposal for draft regulations on a website. The regulations were never formally adopted and they were not published in the "Official Journal" website where all adopted regulations are published. When the problem with article 16 was pointed out to the EU it withdrew the draft immediately. You can't disagree the notice of intent by the Commission blind sided the Irish government. Must be disappointing for Ireland to discover second hand the border was going to be used so flippantly, especially having been assured by the commission they are front and centre on the implementation of the WA and Ireland protocol. As you say, the commission dialled back their intentions when it was pointed out to them by everyone concerned - shame it reached that point though when a quick call would have saved a great deal more than just the commissions blushes. " It takes an exceptional decision to get all parties in NI, Ireland and the UK singing from the same hymn sheet and the EU Commission managed to temporarily do just that. Intent and context matters. This decision was taken in the context of the dispute between the EU and AZ. Was there purposeful intent to go Defcon 5? No, there wasn't but the EU announced their intent to do so for all of a few hours. When it pointed out what is in the draft, the commission immediately disavowed it. Sure many of the relevant parties were pissed but the hypocrisy of some is beyond ridicule. It earlier the same week the DUP was urging Boris to invoke Article 16. And as said above remember how the Johnson government tabled legislation to break international law in a 'limited and specific way'. Tony Connolly goes into more detail on the rte site, the article is called The vaccines, the Commission and the NI Protocol: What went wrong? | |||
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"As I said at the beginning. The EU have shown that after all these years they, the leaders do not understand the complexities of the issues. The issue in the North were something they had overlooked. What they have triggered is something far bigger than article 16. There are government leaders north and south sweating it and burning the late night oils as a result of stupidity. They may have undone what some have worked at for years, maybe Uniting a very fractured political wing and maybe set back some agendas by years. Either way the EU unknowingly has lit a torch where it should never have been lit. None of this would have happened without Brexit " You would have thought that before friday northern ireland was a beacon of peace and harmony. It is remarkable the lengths people will go to,to pin everything on the eu I'm sure it's not a desperate attempt to justify they did the right thing. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. Dublin was not consulted beforehand as confirmed by the Irish leaders and the EU. They had to contact Ursula after hearing the announcement. Only then did the EU realise it was a mistake. /sigh The EU did not trigger article 16. It published a proposal for draft regulations on a website. The regulations were never formally adopted and they were not published in the "Official Journal" website where all adopted regulations are published. When the problem with article 16 was pointed out to the EU it withdrew the draft immediately. You can't disagree the notice of intent by the Commission blind sided the Irish government. Must be disappointing for Ireland to discover second hand the border was going to be used so flippantly, especially having been assured by the commission they are front and centre on the implementation of the WA and Ireland protocol. As you say, the commission dialled back their intentions when it was pointed out to them by everyone concerned - shame it reached that point though when a quick call would have saved a great deal more than just the commissions blushes. It takes an exceptional decision to get all parties in NI, Ireland and the UK singing from the same hymn sheet and the EU Commission managed to temporarily do just that. Intent and context matters. This decision was taken in the context of the dispute between the EU and AZ. Was there purposeful intent to go Defcon 5? No, there wasn't but the EU announced their intent to do so for all of a few hours. When it pointed out what is in the draft, the commission immediately disavowed it. Sure many of the relevant parties were pissed but the hypocrisy of some is beyond ridicule. It earlier the same week the DUP was urging Boris to invoke Article 16. And as said above remember how the Johnson government tabled legislation to break international law in a 'limited and specific way'. Tony Connolly goes into more detail on the rte site, the article is called The vaccines, the Commission and the NI Protocol: What went wrong?" Sure the disagreement was, and still is, between eu and az. The eu had already made their frustration very public with the announcement of the requirement for vaccine exporters to provide advance notice. That's fine. No need to do anything else as they are putting in checks to make sure az, and others, are not fulfilling others from their order. What followed though, I think, shifts the disagreement away from Az, and makes it, albeit briefly, about the uk. the eu were prepared to prevent the chance of uk shifting vaccine via the NI route - that opportunity had to be blocked. This says more about the mistrust and damage the trade negotiations have done to all concerned. | |||
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"Seems to be in tatters, are death threats to port workers just teething problems? Something we expect to sort itself out when it all settles down? Seems to be a little more than project fear now... Tragically Ursula from Brussels managed to stoke that one up, which coupled with the GFA turning a blind eye approach is having consequences. She really messed up and basically showed the world that they used Ireland as a political football and ditched them without a second thought. Could not even be bothered to inform them. This is giving others an excuse to scrap it. Apparently no checks are happening at the moment due to threats to border staff Documentary checks are happening despite the DUP firing up their rabble and getting them to graffiti walls As for your faux concern for Ireland,your comment is laughable The reality is that when the Irish government got wind of the Commission considering to invoke A16 They were on the phone straight away and killed that thought stone dead Possibly doesn’t fit in with your narrative of the unelected EU dictatorship But thems the facts Exactly they did not even discuss it with Dublin, Belfast or London before doing it. The Irish leader said on Sunday the first he knew of it was when the EU put out the statement. Condemned around the world and rightly so Here’s the thing They didn’t do it The Taoiseach stopped it well in advance of it ever being invoked once Dublin was consulted. Maybe your missing something here but Belfast and London are outside the Eu now. You are a third country now. Dublin was not consulted beforehand as confirmed by the Irish leaders and the EU. They had to contact Ursula after hearing the announcement. Only then did the EU realise it was a mistake. /sigh The EU did not trigger article 16. It published a proposal for draft regulations on a website. The regulations were never formally adopted and they were not published in the "Official Journal" website where all adopted regulations are published. When the problem with article 16 was pointed out to the EU it withdrew the draft immediately. You can't disagree the notice of intent by the Commission blind sided the Irish government. Must be disappointing for Ireland to discover second hand the border was going to be used so flippantly, especially having been assured by the commission they are front and centre on the implementation of the WA and Ireland protocol. As you say, the commission dialled back their intentions when it was pointed out to them by everyone concerned - shame it reached that point though when a quick call would have saved a great deal more than just the commissions blushes. It takes an exceptional decision to get all parties in NI, Ireland and the UK singing from the same hymn sheet and the EU Commission managed to temporarily do just that. Intent and context matters. This decision was taken in the context of the dispute between the EU and AZ. Was there purposeful intent to go Defcon 5? No, there wasn't but the EU announced their intent to do so for all of a few hours. When it pointed out what is in the draft, the commission immediately disavowed it. Sure many of the relevant parties were pissed but the hypocrisy of some is beyond ridicule. It earlier the same week the DUP was urging Boris to invoke Article 16. And as said above remember how the Johnson government tabled legislation to break international law in a 'limited and specific way'. Tony Connolly goes into more detail on the rte site, the article is called The vaccines, the Commission and the NI Protocol: What went wrong? Sure the disagreement was, and still is, between eu and az. The eu had already made their frustration very public with the announcement of the requirement for vaccine exporters to provide advance notice. That's fine. No need to do anything else as they are putting in checks to make sure az, and others, are not fulfilling others from their order. What followed though, I think, shifts the disagreement away from Az, and makes it, albeit briefly, about the uk. the eu were prepared to prevent the chance of uk shifting vaccine via the NI route - that opportunity had to be blocked. This says more about the mistrust and damage the trade negotiations have done to all concerned. " The decision to indicate they were invoking Article 16 of the NI protocol was at best an oversight and at worst a stupid oversight which thankfully they very quickly moved back on. I find it hard not to see the reaction of some politicians in the UK and NI to be opportunistic and hypocritical. As I said the DUP were pressing Johnson to invoke the same Article earlier last week, Gove was always opposed to the signing of the GFA and Johnson, well Boris knew all he had to was say nothing and hope it would improve his standing. | |||
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"As I said at the beginning. The EU have shown that after all these years they, the leaders do not understand the complexities of the issues. The issue in the North were something they had overlooked. What they have triggered is something far bigger than article 16. There are government leaders north and south sweating it and burning the late night oils as a result of stupidity. They may have undone what some have worked at for years, maybe Uniting a very fractured political wing and maybe set back some agendas by years. Either way the EU unknowingly has lit a torch where it should never have been lit. None of this would have happened without Brexit " But they Knew what they were voting for when they voted leave . The possiblily of Violence erupting again Was never part of the easiest deal in History was it ? | |||
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" The decision to indicate they were invoking Article 16 of the NI protocol was at best an oversight and at worst a stupid oversight which thankfully they very quickly moved back on. I find it hard not to see the reaction of some politicians in the UK and NI to be opportunistic and hypocritical. As I said the DUP were pressing Johnson to invoke the same Article earlier last week, Gove was always opposed to the signing of the GFA and Johnson, well Boris knew all he had to was say nothing and hope it would improve his standing. " I wouldn’t disagree the U.K. is possibly going to over egg the pudding, however I do think more time is needed to allow for technical discussions and systems to be allowed to function as they should . Pressing the button on defcon5, as the Eu nearly did, is not really even a viable short term solution on goods flowing more easily to NI Would you agree there is a difference in the checks needed for a pack of Tesco chicken destined for the supermarket shelf and a consignment of raw chicken moving to say a Belfast wholesaler or processor? | |||
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" The decision to indicate they were invoking Article 16 of the NI protocol was at best an oversight and at worst a stupid oversight which thankfully they very quickly moved back on. I find it hard not to see the reaction of some politicians in the UK and NI to be opportunistic and hypocritical. As I said the DUP were pressing Johnson to invoke the same Article earlier last week, Gove was always opposed to the signing of the GFA and Johnson, well Boris knew all he had to was say nothing and hope it would improve his standing. I wouldn’t disagree the U.K. is possibly going to over egg the pudding, however I do think more time is needed to allow for technical discussions and systems to be allowed to function as they should . Pressing the button on defcon5, as the Eu nearly did, is not really even a viable short term solution on goods flowing more easily to NI Would you agree there is a difference in the checks needed for a pack of Tesco chicken destined for the supermarket shelf and a consignment of raw chicken moving to say a Belfast wholesaler or processor?" Ah get out of here with your practical real world examples. This is the forum for reactionary miserabilists. | |||
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" The decision to indicate they were invoking Article 16 of the NI protocol was at best an oversight and at worst a stupid oversight which thankfully they very quickly moved back on. I find it hard not to see the reaction of some politicians in the UK and NI to be opportunistic and hypocritical. As I said the DUP were pressing Johnson to invoke the same Article earlier last week, Gove was always opposed to the signing of the GFA and Johnson, well Boris knew all he had to was say nothing and hope it would improve his standing. I wouldn’t disagree the U.K. is possibly going to over egg the pudding, however I do think more time is needed to allow for technical discussions and systems to be allowed to function as they should . Pressing the button on defcon5, as the Eu nearly did, is not really even a viable short term solution on goods flowing more easily to NI Would you agree there is a difference in the checks needed for a pack of Tesco chicken destined for the supermarket shelf and a consignment of raw chicken moving to say a Belfast wholesaler or processor?" There's no difference whatsoever if it's a US chlorine chicken stuffed with antibiotics, you can keep them all to yourself. But for this to happen you have to get to that 'great' deal with the USA. In the meantime there's no harm to practise those checks... | |||
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" The decision to indicate they were invoking Article 16 of the NI protocol was at best an oversight and at worst a stupid oversight which thankfully they very quickly moved back on. I find it hard not to see the reaction of some politicians in the UK and NI to be opportunistic and hypocritical. As I said the DUP were pressing Johnson to invoke the same Article earlier last week, Gove was always opposed to the signing of the GFA and Johnson, well Boris knew all he had to was say nothing and hope it would improve his standing. I wouldn’t disagree the U.K. is possibly going to over egg the pudding, however I do think more time is needed to allow for technical discussions and systems to be allowed to function as they should . Pressing the button on defcon5, as the Eu nearly did, is not really even a viable short term solution on goods flowing more easily to NI Would you agree there is a difference in the checks needed for a pack of Tesco chicken destined for the supermarket shelf and a consignment of raw chicken moving to say a Belfast wholesaler or processor?" First the UK declined on several occasions to extend the transition period to enable a transition with less friction. With regard to the question regarding poultry the answer is absolutely yes. EU standards apply in NI, the UK insisted on the right to diverge so the EU has to ensure that it's standards are upheld. | |||
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"The Irish foreign affairs minister has now started the Northern Ireland Protocol “isn’t going to be changed” Brexit has the UK in a right mess over N.I. regarding trade with the EU. DUP shouting betrayal of the Union. With article 16 being threatened on both sides. How does this work with the coming to a free trade agreement with the EU being “one of the easiest in human history” " The actual quote from Liam Fox was "should be one of... Etc etc." As I think youre well aware of. Which is a quote which doesn't really say very much at all. | |||
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" The decision to indicate they were invoking Article 16 of the NI protocol was at best an oversight and at worst a stupid oversight which thankfully they very quickly moved back on. I find it hard not to see the reaction of some politicians in the UK and NI to be opportunistic and hypocritical. As I said the DUP were pressing Johnson to invoke the same Article earlier last week, Gove was always opposed to the signing of the GFA and Johnson, well Boris knew all he had to was say nothing and hope it would improve his standing. I wouldn’t disagree the U.K. is possibly going to over egg the pudding, however I do think more time is needed to allow for technical discussions and systems to be allowed to function as they should . Pressing the button on defcon5, as the Eu nearly did, is not really even a viable short term solution on goods flowing more easily to NI Would you agree there is a difference in the checks needed for a pack of Tesco chicken destined for the supermarket shelf and a consignment of raw chicken moving to say a Belfast wholesaler or processor? First the UK declined on several occasions to extend the transition period to enable a transition with less friction. With regard to the question regarding poultry the answer is absolutely yes. EU standards apply in NI, the UK insisted on the right to diverge so the EU has to ensure that it's standards are upheld." Extending the transition period was a very different option to the proposal being requested now by UK to extend the grace period. The Protocol must remain in place, but there has to be time for the flexibilities that are contained within the agreement to be tweaked by NI, UK and EU, thereby securing long term stability. | |||
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"The Irish foreign affairs minister has now started the Northern Ireland Protocol “isn’t going to be changed” Brexit has the UK in a right mess over N.I. regarding trade with the EU. DUP shouting betrayal of the Union. With article 16 being threatened on both sides. How does this work with the coming to a free trade agreement with the EU being “one of the easiest in human history” The actual quote from Liam Fox was "should be one of... Etc etc." As I think youre well aware of. Which is a quote which doesn't really say very much at all. " You’re right it doesn’t say much anymore, but it will have done the job at the time. Now, the same sunny uplands fetishists want to renegade on his words... | |||
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"The Irish foreign affairs minister has now started the Northern Ireland Protocol “isn’t going to be changed” Brexit has the UK in a right mess over N.I. regarding trade with the EU. DUP shouting betrayal of the Union. With article 16 being threatened on both sides. How does this work with the coming to a free trade agreement with the EU being “one of the easiest in human history” The actual quote from Liam Fox was "should be one of... Etc etc." As I think youre well aware of. Which is a quote which doesn't really say very much at all. " On that basis statements spouted by politicians of the government amount to very little and should not be believed as they are not in the least bit truthful. | |||
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"The Irish foreign affairs minister has now started the Northern Ireland Protocol “isn’t going to be changed” Brexit has the UK in a right mess over N.I. regarding trade with the EU. DUP shouting betrayal of the Union. With article 16 being threatened on both sides. How does this work with the coming to a free trade agreement with the EU being “one of the easiest in human history” The actual quote from Liam Fox was "should be one of... Etc etc." As I think youre well aware of. Which is a quote which doesn't really say very much at all. On that basis statements spouted by politicians of the government amount to very little and should not be believed as they are not in the least bit truthful." I've said many times I give very little weight to anything national politicians say. I'm far too sensible for that. | |||
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"The Irish foreign affairs minister has now started the Northern Ireland Protocol “isn’t going to be changed” Brexit has the UK in a right mess over N.I. regarding trade with the EU. DUP shouting betrayal of the Union. With article 16 being threatened on both sides. How does this work with the coming to a free trade agreement with the EU being “one of the easiest in human history” The actual quote from Liam Fox was "should be one of... Etc etc." As I think youre well aware of. Which is a quote which doesn't really say very much at all. On that basis statements spouted by politicians of the government amount to very little and should not be believed as they are not in the least bit truthful. I've said many times I give very little weight to anything national politicians say. I'm far too sensible for that. " In that case taking that to its logical conclusion is that everything said about the benefits of Brexit by politicians is a lie..... | |||
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"The Irish foreign affairs minister has now started the Northern Ireland Protocol “isn’t going to be changed” Brexit has the UK in a right mess over N.I. regarding trade with the EU. DUP shouting betrayal of the Union. With article 16 being threatened on both sides. How does this work with the coming to a free trade agreement with the EU being “one of the easiest in human history” The actual quote from Liam Fox was "should be one of... Etc etc." As I think youre well aware of. Which is a quote which doesn't really say very much at all. On that basis statements spouted by politicians of the government amount to very little and should not be believed as they are not in the least bit truthful. I've said many times I give very little weight to anything national politicians say. I'm far too sensible for that. In that case taking that to its logical conclusion is that everything said about the benefits of Brexit by politicians is a lie..... "That's not a logical conclusion, no. They can "not know" , or lie, and still be correct. I don't get my information from politicians and anyone who does should give their head a wobble. | |||
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" The decision to indicate they were invoking Article 16 of the NI protocol was at best an oversight and at worst a stupid oversight which thankfully they very quickly moved back on. I find it hard not to see the reaction of some politicians in the UK and NI to be opportunistic and hypocritical. As I said the DUP were pressing Johnson to invoke the same Article earlier last week, Gove was always opposed to the signing of the GFA and Johnson, well Boris knew all he had to was say nothing and hope it would improve his standing. I wouldn’t disagree the U.K. is possibly going to over egg the pudding, however I do think more time is needed to allow for technical discussions and systems to be allowed to function as they should . Pressing the button on defcon5, as the Eu nearly did, is not really even a viable short term solution on goods flowing more easily to NI Would you agree there is a difference in the checks needed for a pack of Tesco chicken destined for the supermarket shelf and a consignment of raw chicken moving to say a Belfast wholesaler or processor? First the UK declined on several occasions to extend the transition period to enable a transition with less friction. With regard to the question regarding poultry the answer is absolutely yes. EU standards apply in NI, the UK insisted on the right to diverge so the EU has to ensure that it's standards are upheld. Extending the transition period was a very different option to the proposal being requested now by UK to extend the grace period. The Protocol must remain in place, but there has to be time for the flexibilities that are contained within the agreement to be tweaked by NI, UK and EU, thereby securing long term stability. " I may be wrong but the UK is in a situation of entirely of it's own doing. This is where the rubber meets the road so to speak. The NI Protocol was put in place so the UK could have a hard brexit. The price of that was an internal customs border. This was what Boris agreed on, campaigned and won on. The WA was ratified and passed into law by both the EU and UK. The protocol is here to stay for the immediate future. Stormont can vote to leave the protocol in a few years. The DUP are sounding off because they were betrayed (again) by a conservative government and foolishly believed they mattered. The conservatives will now have to present all the brexit related problems as being the fault of the EU. But the truth is this is the consequence of their own actions. It's a new world, the UK historically thought they told Ireland what to do. It's only going to become clearer that size matters more than sovereignty. | |||
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"Jan 2020 we got brexit done.. hurrah Feb 2021 can we have 3 more years please?we arent ready yet." The gift that keeps on giving | |||
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"So now we are trying to change an agreement that we agreed and signed upto. And if they dont we have threatened to trigger article 16..something which the EU were universally condemned for last week. You actually couldnt make it up "When you think Brexit is done and dusted they just reverse it again, sure we all need some entertainment in the lockdown. | |||
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"So now we are trying to change an agreement that we agreed and signed upto. And if they dont we have threatened to trigger article 16..something which the EU were universally condemned for last week. You actually couldnt make it up
When you think Brexit is done and dusted they just reverse it again, sure we all need some entertainment in the lockdown. "I mean it's almost like you cant trust the word of mr Johnson..did he not promise to 'get Brexit done 'once or twice? | |||
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"Well if Brexit isn't done, you must be happy eh guys " But surely he won the election on the back of getting Brexit done,? | |||
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"Well if Brexit isn't done, you must be happy eh guys " By this stage the UK is like the abusive ex that you can't wait until they fuck off out of your existence. | |||
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"Notwithstanding the era of lies and fake news that we live in, it is something special that the Prime Minister of this country said that he would never put a border down the Irish Sea whilst he was actually negotiating for that very thing. Then once it was in place, he denied its very existence and now he thinks that the EU should fix the problem that seemingly “they” created and has sent Gove with a begging bowl asking for an Irish “implementation” period until 2023 having previously said that he would never agree to such a thing. I am happy to be corrected on any of these things but as far as I know they are correct. When laid out like this, I often wonder what would happen to a mid-level or a senior Manager in the private sector if they demonstrated such mendacious incompetence? Then again, we have a massive section of the population who can see no wrong in him, presumably as he is carrying the fight to the enemy?" They sat down and agreed to this deal Now they are going back on their word If they dont get their way they will threaten to do,what the eu were completely castigated for last week. Botis Johnson was elected on The premise that he would get Brexit done. He has clearly failed. | |||
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"Notwithstanding the era of lies and fake news that we live in, it is something special that the Prime Minister of this country said that he would never put a border down the Irish Sea whilst he was actually negotiating for that very thing. Then once it was in place, he denied its very existence and now he thinks that the EU should fix the problem that seemingly “they” created and has sent Gove with a begging bowl asking for an Irish “implementation” period until 2023 having previously said that he would never agree to such a thing. I am happy to be corrected on any of these things but as far as I know they are correct. When laid out like this, I often wonder what would happen to a mid-level or a senior Manager in the private sector if they demonstrated such mendacious incompetence? Then again, we have a massive section of the population who can see no wrong in him, presumably as he is carrying the fight to the enemy? They sat down and agreed to this deal Now they are going back on their word If they dont get their way they will threaten to do,what the eu were completely castigated for last week. Botis Johnson was elected on The premise that he would get Brexit done. He has clearly failed." They have been kicking the Northern Ireland can down the road since the start as they know it’s impossible to square the circle. And if things go wrong they’ll blame the EU, as always. We all know that the Italians and the Germans all campaigned and all voted for Brexit. | |||
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"I see on the news that the border inspectors have been withdrawn so who is checking the goods going across the border. " First physical checks are still suspended. What is more significant is the inspectors were withdrawn after former DUP local assembly agricultural minister contacted the local council telling them that the inspectors were to stand down. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55932084 | |||
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"I see on the news that the border inspectors have been withdrawn so who is checking the goods going across the border. First physical checks are still suspended. What is more significant is the inspectors were withdrawn after former DUP local assembly agricultural minister contacted the local council telling them that the inspectors were to stand down. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55932084 " So no physical checks and no inspectors leads me to my original question who if anyone is checking the goods? Or has movement of goods been sustained too until safe? | |||
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"I see on the news that the border inspectors have been withdrawn so who is checking the goods going across the border. First physical checks are still suspended. What is more significant is the inspectors were withdrawn after former DUP local assembly agricultural minister contacted the local council telling them that the inspectors were to stand down. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55932084 So no physical checks and no inspectors leads me to my original question who if anyone is checking the goods? Or has movement of goods been sustained too until safe?" Physical checks are suspended but documentary checks are still in place. This is a no brainer, if the EU cannot ensure that standards are being upheld and safety of their inspectors is guaranteed, they will stop using the ports. If you read the article you will see the police have no evidence of loyalist paramilitary involvement. This action was taken unilaterally at the direction of the DUP in furthering their agenda to response to loyalist 'tension' that they stoked. | |||
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"Good little segment on the bbc by Ros Atkins which puts it in a nutshell. And another great little clip of Johnson making yet another promise he hasn't kept " Really interesting report. Worrying in fact for the people of Northern Ireland. Yet again lies rolling off Boris tongue. He is a complete twat who is not fit for office. When will his supporters wake up? | |||
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"Good little segment on the bbc by Ros Atkins which puts it in a nutshell. And another great little clip of Johnson making yet another promise he hasn't kept Really interesting report. Worrying in fact for the people of Northern Ireland. Yet again lies rolling off Boris tongue. He is a complete twat who is not fit for office. When will his supporters wake up? " They are just happy that we got the vaccine, and then what jobs will they return to after it? We all know he is a twat, but his peppy blissful ignorant and that trampy style make his supporters wet  | |||
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"Good little segment on the bbc by Ros Atkins which puts it in a nutshell. And another great little clip of Johnson making yet another promise he hasn't kept Really interesting report. Worrying in fact for the people of Northern Ireland. Yet again lies rolling off Boris tongue. He is a complete twat who is not fit for office. When will his supporters wake up? " They just don't care. Said earlier most politicians bend the truth but he is literally in a league of his own. | |||
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"Simon Coveney the Irish foreign affairs minister says no way will the protocol be scrapped so the EU looks to be putting the heels in... Its just beyond stupid to be part of the United Kingdom but be under part EU rule... A petition was put out this morning and already has near 75thousand signatures to scrap the protocol " Didnt we sign up to it? | |||
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"Simon Coveney the Irish foreign affairs minister says no way will the protocol be scrapped so the EU looks to be putting the heels in... Its just beyond stupid to be part of the United Kingdom but be under part EU rule... A petition was put out this morning and already has near 75thousand signatures to scrap the protocol " The Withdrawal agreement has been passed into law by both the EU and UK. It's done. The DUP were uniquely positioned to avoid this scenario but instead voted against the alternative plan 3 times. It also has to pointed out, for what it's worth NI voted to remain. | |||
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"Simon Coveney the Irish foreign affairs minister says no way will the protocol be scrapped so the EU looks to be putting the heels in... Its just beyond stupid to be part of the United Kingdom but be under part EU rule... A petition was put out this morning and already has near 75thousand signatures to scrap the protocol The Withdrawal agreement has been passed into law by both the EU and UK. It's done. The DUP were uniquely positioned to avoid this scenario but instead voted against the alternative plan 3 times. It also has to pointed out, for what it's worth NI voted to remain." Brexiteers brought us here, the harsh reality bites, now how much public money are we going waste sorting this out? | |||
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"Simon Coveney the Irish foreign affairs minister says no way will the protocol be scrapped so the EU looks to be putting the heels in... Its just beyond stupid to be part of the United Kingdom but be under part EU rule... A petition was put out this morning and already has near 75thousand signatures to scrap the protocol " The EU aren’t putting their heels in The are keeping to their side of the agreement The agreement remember, that the British Government negotiated in good faith with the EU Which was agreed with the EU And was voted on and passed into Law by your parliament Signed by your Queen The DUP who never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity have marched loyalists grand old duke of York style up to the top of the hill and are talking of trouble and “war” Who are they going to fight though ? Boris and the Tories? The Irish Sea? Good luck with scrapping the protocol, I’m sure everyone else that the Uk is trying to get a trade deal with is watching on and wondering if they can’t keep their side of the bargain with the EU What’s to stop them reneging on any deal they could potentially do with us? | |||
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"DUP have announced that it plans to stop north-south activities related to the N.I. Protocol UK government has written to the European Union asking for a long extension to the grace period for the Irish Sea boarder as was due to expire in April they now want to extend it to 2023.... Anyone would think this “fantastic” Brexit deal is beginning to unravel before our eyes.... who would have ever guessed this ..... It's reinforced my view that the root cause was the soft touch GFA that avoided enforcing drug, cigarette and fuel smuggling. Was always going to end in tears. " That'll be the agreement that brought peace. Do you want to bin it? | |||
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"That'll be the agreement that brought peace. Do you want to bin it?" the deal that has lasted 23 years as opposed to johnsons 'oven ready', 'easiest deal in history' that seems to be struggling after 33 days. | |||
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