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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

We have reached the grim total of over 100,000.

Despite the arithmetic gymnastics we are,without doubt, one of the worst hit counties in the world.

Even America, per capita, last time I looked.

So once its over..who will take responsibility?

Anyone?

Will there be an investigation into the handling of it?

Will some one take the fall or will it be kicked into the long grass?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded "

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't use the US as a comparison. UK more densely populated. UK variant not a worry here it's the south africa variant that might be a issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year? "

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics."

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded "

Is it likely that there will be an investigation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022 "

If Boris goes then Rishi is likely to step up in any leadership contest. Quite possibly unchallenged.

I wouldn't envy any new PM having to choose a cabinet.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022 "

Is your window of “exit” shifting as he passes the previously projected timing ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Is it likely that there will be an investigation?"

Likely? Who knows. There should be one though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022

Is your window of “exit” shifting as he passes the previously projected timing ? "

Can you remind me of my ‘previously projected timing’ ? Even the most staunch Tory voter will admit he has to go soon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report."

So all the blame lies with China? I guess we can blame AIDS on the US then ??

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

"

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report."

We can be critical of the response to the virus though.

Boris's leadership on the response has been woeful by any measure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

"

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

So all the blame lies with China? I guess we can blame AIDS on the US then ??

"
pmsl so you can’t blame China the country of origin but eu country’s can call the new virus the British covid wtf

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022

Is your window of “exit” shifting as he passes the previously projected timing ?

Can you remind me of my ‘previously projected timing’ ? Even the most staunch Tory voter will admit he has to go soon "

If only the forums had a better content search function

Wasn't it something like "he will be gone in 6 months" - mentioned in June 2020?

He will be gone at some point, all good things must come to an end...

At least he isn't doing a Conti

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022

Is your window of “exit” shifting as he passes the previously projected timing ?

Can you remind me of my ‘previously projected timing’ ? Even the most staunch Tory voter will admit he has to go soon

If only the forums had a better content search function

Wasn't it something like "he will be gone in 6 months" - mentioned in June 2020?

He will be gone at some point, all good things must come to an end...

At least he isn't doing a Conti

"
fabtastic as been saying he be gone early 2021 iv always said he’s here till next GE

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures."

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

So all the blame lies with China? I guess we can blame AIDS on the US then ??

"

Is WHO in China investigating ? They not in Nebraska in cornfields now are they.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result."
your spot on mates he’s been shote from day one with covid but about the Ppe if you’ve ever worn it it’s neither here nor there total waste of money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

So all the blame lies with China? I guess we can blame AIDS on the US then ??

Why couldn’t the US contain AIDS ?

Is WHO in China investigating ? They not in Nebraska in cornfields now are they. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022

Is your window of “exit” shifting as he passes the previously projected timing ?

Can you remind me of my ‘previously projected timing’ ? Even the most staunch Tory voter will admit he has to go soon

If only the forums had a better content search function

Wasn't it something like "he will be gone in 6 months" - mentioned in June 2020?

He will be gone at some point, all good things must come to an end...

At least he isn't doing a Conti

fabtastic as been saying he be gone early 2021 iv always said he’s here till next GE "

Not a chance , he is a dead man walking, the Tories have no loyalty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

So all the blame lies with China? I guess we can blame AIDS on the US then ??

pmsl so you can’t blame China the country of origin but eu country’s can call the new virus the British covid wtf "

Are you talking about the EU again?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022

Is your window of “exit” shifting as he passes the previously projected timing ?

Can you remind me of my ‘previously projected timing’ ? Even the most staunch Tory voter will admit he has to go soon

If only the forums had a better content search function

Wasn't it something like "he will be gone in 6 months" - mentioned in June 2020?

He will be gone at some point, all good things must come to an end...

At least he isn't doing a Conti

fabtastic as been saying he be gone early 2021 iv always said he’s here till next GE

Not a chance , he is a dead man walking, the Tories have no loyalty "
mate yr predictions are as bad as fabios lol

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022

Is your window of “exit” shifting as he passes the previously projected timing ?

Can you remind me of my ‘previously projected timing’ ? Even the most staunch Tory voter will admit he has to go soon

If only the forums had a better content search function

Wasn't it something like "he will be gone in 6 months" - mentioned in June 2020?

He will be gone at some point, all good things must come to an end...

At least he isn't doing a Conti

fabtastic as been saying he be gone early 2021 iv always said he’s here till next GE

Not a chance , he is a dead man walking, the Tories have no loyalty "

partly agree...

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

There should be a through investigation from cause to affect.

If people are found accountable along the way then they should held to that account.

We should also look at what we can do socially to prevent such a high count. We are among the unhealthiest in Europe.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"There should be a through investigation from cause to affect.

If people are found accountable along the way then they should held to that account.

We should also look at what we can do socially to prevent such a high count. We are among the unhealthiest in Europe. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result."

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed."
what are your views on the virus ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022

Is your window of “exit” shifting as he passes the previously projected timing ?

Can you remind me of my ‘previously projected timing’ ? Even the most staunch Tory voter will admit he has to go soon

If only the forums had a better content search function

Wasn't it something like "he will be gone in 6 months" - mentioned in June 2020?

He will be gone at some point, all good things must come to an end...

At least he isn't doing a Conti

fabtastic as been saying he be gone early 2021 iv always said he’s here till next GE

Not a chance , he is a dead man walking, the Tories have no loyalty mate yr predictions are as bad as fabios lol"

Fabios are better than mine, he did say Biden would win

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022

Is your window of “exit” shifting as he passes the previously projected timing ?

Can you remind me of my ‘previously projected timing’ ? Even the most staunch Tory voter will admit he has to go soon

If only the forums had a better content search function

Wasn't it something like "he will be gone in 6 months" - mentioned in June 2020?

He will be gone at some point, all good things must come to an end...

At least he isn't doing a Conti

fabtastic as been saying he be gone early 2021 iv always said he’s here till next GE

Not a chance , he is a dead man walking, the Tories have no loyalty mate yr predictions are as bad as fabios lol

Fabios are better than mine, he did say Biden would win "

Fabio had to be right one time. I shudder when he makes football predictions as a fellow Gooner.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022

Is your window of “exit” shifting as he passes the previously projected timing ?

Can you remind me of my ‘previously projected timing’ ? Even the most staunch Tory voter will admit he has to go soon

If only the forums had a better content search function

Wasn't it something like "he will be gone in 6 months" - mentioned in June 2020?

He will be gone at some point, all good things must come to an end...

At least he isn't doing a Conti

fabtastic as been saying he be gone early 2021 iv always said he’s here till next GE

Not a chance , he is a dead man walking, the Tories have no loyalty mate yr predictions are as bad as fabios lol

Fabios are better than mine, he did say Biden would win "

True and his rugby predictions are pretty spot on lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022

Is your window of “exit” shifting as he passes the previously projected timing ?

Can you remind me of my ‘previously projected timing’ ? Even the most staunch Tory voter will admit he has to go soon

If only the forums had a better content search function

Wasn't it something like "he will be gone in 6 months" - mentioned in June 2020?

He will be gone at some point, all good things must come to an end...

At least he isn't doing a Conti

fabtastic as been saying he be gone early 2021 iv always said he’s here till next GE

Not a chance , he is a dead man walking, the Tories have no loyalty mate yr predictions are as bad as fabios lol

Fabios are better than mine, he did say Biden would win

Fabio had to be right one time. I shudder when he makes football predictions as a fellow Gooner. "

Predicting Arsenal results is like flipping a coin

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed."

The biggest mistakes were early on.

Going into lockdown too late.

Not managing our borders correctly.

Not having a fit for task Test/Trace/Isolate scheme in place when we came out of that first lockdown.

There have been numerous since...

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"There should be a through investigation from cause to affect.

If people are found accountable along the way then they should held to that account.

We should also look at what we can do socially to prevent such a high count. We are among the unhealthiest in Europe. "

We dont have a great history in that respect.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"There should be a through investigation from cause to affect.

If people are found accountable along the way then they should held to that account.

We should also look at what we can do socially to prevent such a high count. We are among the unhealthiest in Europe.

We dont have a great history in that respect. "

In what respect?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"There should be a through investigation from cause to affect.

If people are found accountable along the way then they should held to that account.

We should also look at what we can do socially to prevent such a high count. We are among the unhealthiest in Europe.

We dont have a great history in that respect.

In what respect? "

Going back to the war on Iraq, the Russian report,hacking part 2..they quite often get kicked into the long grass till everyone has forgotten about it.

We will see what starmer is made off

post covid..as this is going to be on him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?"

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Who will take responsibility will only be answered after a full investigation into the handling of this crisis.

There is not a politician out there who will hold their hands up to negligence.

Will someone be the fall guy? Yes, I believe so but I also believe whoever it is will be long gone from Governement. In fact I believe they'll all be long gone by the time any inquiry is concluded

Do you think Boris and his entire cabinet will be gone this year?

No, I don't think so. But then again, a week is a long time in politics.

True, once Boris goes then apart from Sunak the new PM will sack the lot of them. Boris will leave this year or early 2022

Is your window of “exit” shifting as he passes the previously projected timing ?

Can you remind me of my ‘previously projected timing’ ? Even the most staunch Tory voter will admit he has to go soon

If only the forums had a better content search function

Wasn't it something like "he will be gone in 6 months" - mentioned in June 2020?

He will be gone at some point, all good things must come to an end...

At least he isn't doing a Conti

fabtastic as been saying he be gone early 2021 iv always said he’s here till next GE

Not a chance , he is a dead man walking, the Tories have no loyalty mate yr predictions are as bad as fabios lol

Fabios are better than mine, he did say Biden would win "
aw ye forgot about that one well one out of twenty is ok then lol

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control."

Absolutele nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed."

They should have.

1. Followed scientific advice.

2. Locked down sooner at the start, when places like Italy and Ireland were.

3. Got their shit together with PPE instead of focussing their efforts on getting as much public money into the pockets of their friends and neighbors.

4. Given clear and concise messages on the rules, and advice. And given the people reasons why. Just as Jacinda Ardern did. She showed excellent leadership.

Just off the top of my head. I'm sure others could give you more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense "

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

There is a video going round of the time line of the school thing

Its borderline criminal

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response."

Schools,care homes,Christmas..the gmnt have made decisions which gave led to people dying.

That's a fact

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response.

Schools,care homes,Christmas..the gmnt have made decisions which gave led to people dying.

That's a fact "
care homes was there worst mistake by a mile took the piss put them poor carers most of them stayed in the homes for weeks on end got no fucking publicity for that was all nhs Christmas didn’t have much of an impact and the schools I wonder how many of these teachers are still popping to the supermarkets while on lockdown tho

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response.

Schools,care homes,Christmas..the gmnt have made decisions which gave led to people dying.

That's a fact "

No individual choices people made infected others. Not the government people know about the virus and still take risks.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response.

Schools,care homes,Christmas..the gmnt have made decisions which gave led to people dying.

That's a fact

No individual choices people made infected others. Not the government people know about the virus and still take risks."
exactly that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response.

Schools,care homes,Christmas..the gmnt have made decisions which gave led to people dying.

That's a fact

No individual choices people made infected others. Not the government people know about the virus and still take risks."

We just gave you some examples of how the government's response contributed to the dire situation.

No one is saying that people acting like selfish arseholes didn't also contribute.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response.

Schools,care homes,Christmas..the gmnt have made decisions which gave led to people dying.

That's a fact

No individual choices people made infected others. Not the government people know about the virus and still take risks.

We just gave you some examples of how the government's response contributed to the dire situation.

No one is saying that people acting like selfish arseholes didn't also contribute.

"
I agree ded with you earlier the government have been shite aswell

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION

There will be continued investigations into the death rate.

But we also need to drop the highest lowest in the world argument as has been said before many countries count the figures in many different ways.

Having a positive for covid in hospital on the 1st of February and dying of flu on the 28th Counts as a covid death in the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response.

Schools,care homes,Christmas..the gmnt have made decisions which gave led to people dying.

That's a fact

No individual choices people made infected others. Not the government people know about the virus and still take risks.

We just gave you some examples of how the government's response contributed to the dire situation.

No one is saying that people acting like selfish arseholes didn't also contribute.

"

Right so the million dollar question is what could have been done differently? Complete utter military lockdown that if you are out and about you are considered a threat and be delt with accordingly?

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"There should be a through investigation from cause to affect.

If people are found accountable along the way then they should held to that account.

We should also look at what we can do socially to prevent such a high count. We are among the unhealthiest in Europe. "

Agree with this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response.

Schools,care homes,Christmas..the gmnt have made decisions which gave led to people dying.

That's a fact

No individual choices people made infected others. Not the government people know about the virus and still take risks.

We just gave you some examples of how the government's response contributed to the dire situation.

No one is saying that people acting like selfish arseholes didn't also contribute.

Right so the million dollar question is what could have been done differently? Complete utter military lockdown that if you are out and about you are considered a threat and be delt with accordingly? "

I gave you some examples of what could have been done differently. Scroll up.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

I’m sure there will be a full investigation.

Although, based on the number of posts (almost daily) it’s all the fault of Fab members who post wanting to meet!

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

I don’t give a flying fuck where we are in the league tables. I am appalled by the 100k poor bastards who’ve died.

We are an island and knew it was coming .

We quarantined people flying back from China at the very beginning so why wasn’t that continued .

We should have stopped flights arriving but didn’t so every day tens of thousands of people kept arriving and spreading the virus.

We had no testing regime so should have gone worse case and closed the borders .

The reduction in cases would have enabled us to avoid a full on lock down .

Sending sick untested patients from hospitals into care homes was basically sentencing some to death.

So the government should have acted quicker and they should have managed care homes better. They should have stocked up with PPE at least a year earlier when they were warned about shortages

Cummings should have been fucking sacked by Boris to keep the mesage going. Or maybe shot.

The constant changing of direction and message has contributed greatly to more deaths.

I agree we are the unhealthy people of Europe now so that didn’t help however because if the constant messing around with lockdowns we are not only one of the worst hit we are also the worst hit economically . (According to the FT )

Yes the government need holding to account because those who are dying deserve nothing less.

Btw where’s that approved list of PPE suppliers? That certainly needs looking at too as it stinks that it’s being hidden .

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response.

Schools,care homes,Christmas..the gmnt have made decisions which gave led to people dying.

That's a fact care homes was there worst mistake by a mile took the piss put them poor carers most of them stayed in the homes for weeks on end got no fucking publicity for that was all nhs Christmas didn’t have much of an impact and the schools I wonder how many of these teachers are still popping to the supermarkets while on lockdown tho "

The schools were a fiasco

They were told they werent safe

Threatened them with legal action

Made them stay open for a day and then said..actually they are not safe.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response.

Schools,care homes,Christmas..the gmnt have made decisions which gave led to people dying.

That's a fact

No individual choices people made infected others. Not the government people know about the virus and still take risks."

The gmnt made schools open after being told they werent safe.

Fuck all to do with individual choices

They actually threatened legal action if they didnt open

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response.

Schools,care homes,Christmas..the gmnt have made decisions which gave led to people dying.

That's a fact

No individual choices people made infected others. Not the government people know about the virus and still take risks.

We just gave you some examples of how the government's response contributed to the dire situation.

No one is saying that people acting like selfish arseholes didn't also contribute.

Right so the million dollar question is what could have been done differently? Complete utter military lockdown that if you are out and about you are considered a threat and be delt with accordingly? "

Took it seriously at the beginning for a start

Boris..we will take it on the chin.

Yep we can deal with a deadly disease by a meaningless moronic soundbite.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response.

Schools,care homes,Christmas..the gmnt have made decisions which gave led to people dying.

That's a fact

No individual choices people made infected others. Not the government people know about the virus and still take risks.

We just gave you some examples of how the government's response contributed to the dire situation.

No one is saying that people acting like selfish arseholes didn't also contribute.

Right so the million dollar question is what could have been done differently? Complete utter military lockdown that if you are out and about you are considered a threat and be delt with accordingly?

Took it seriously at the beginning for a start

Boris..we will take it on the chin.

Yep we can deal with a deadly disease by a meaningless moronic soundbite."

And boasted about shaking hands with Covid patients, what a moron

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

A lot of people have got a lot of faith in official investigations.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response.

Schools,care homes,Christmas..the gmnt have made decisions which gave led to people dying.

That's a fact

No individual choices people made infected others. Not the government people know about the virus and still take risks.

We just gave you some examples of how the government's response contributed to the dire situation.

No one is saying that people acting like selfish arseholes didn't also contribute.

Right so the million dollar question is what could have been done differently? Complete utter military lockdown that if you are out and about you are considered a threat and be delt with accordingly?

Took it seriously at the beginning for a start

Boris..we will take it on the chin.

Yep we can deal with a deadly disease by a meaningless moronic soundbite.

And boasted about shaking hands with Covid patients, what a moron "

Its almost unreal looking back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled."

Because you are saying its individuals.

You have been given several examples of the gmnt making decisions which have led to people catching the disease.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled."

I guess Trump is totally blameless ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled."

I think the confusion here is around making Covid-19 as "the Chinese virus". This is a political tactic. Trump used it to help shift blame for his lack of coherent response to the pandemic, and to justify his trade war.

This is not the same as critisim placed on the government here for the poor people response to the situation. Which has exasperated the number of infections and deaths.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

And this thread is fuck all to do with China

If you want a China thread start your own

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled.

I guess Trump is totally blameless ??"

Is biden going to be blameless when we top 800000 ? It doesn't matter who in charge now does it.

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar

If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled.

I guess Trump is totally blameless ??

Is biden going to be blameless when we top 800000 ? It doesn't matter who in charge now does it."

If you want to blame Biden make your own thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled.

I guess Trump is totally blameless ??

Is biden going to be blameless when we top 800000 ? It doesn't matter who in charge now does it.

If you want to blame Biden make your own thread "

Where are you? The school playground?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere."

Where people to blame for care homes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled.

I guess Trump is totally blameless ??

Is biden going to be blameless when we top 800000 ? It doesn't matter who in charge now does it.

If you want to blame Biden make your own thread

Where are you? The school playground? "

I thought they were the rules now? You only have to look on other threads, if you deviate from the OP you get lambasted. I don’t make the rules

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled.

I guess Trump is totally blameless ??

Is biden going to be blameless when we top 800000 ? It doesn't matter who in charge now does it."

Biden should be judged on his actions. If his response is poor then we should shout this. If he does a good job, then we can talk about that.

In terms of critisim. It doesn't matter who is in charge, they should be held to account.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled.

I guess Trump is totally blameless ??

Is biden going to be blameless when we top 800000 ? It doesn't matter who in charge now does it.

If you want to blame Biden make your own thread

Where are you? The school playground?

I thought they were the rules now? You only have to look on other threads, if you deviate from the OP you get lambasted. I don’t make the rules "

Think some people just make up the rules when it suits them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere."

A minority of the population acting without regard does not absolve the government of their responsibility here.

There are many examples, some listened above, discussing what they did wrong and could have done better.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

A minority of the population acting without regard does not absolve the government of their responsibility here.

There are many examples, some listened above, discussing what they did wrong and could have done better. "

Wonder where that absence of responsibility comes from?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere."

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled.

I guess Trump is totally blameless ??

Is biden going to be blameless when we top 800000 ? It doesn't matter who in charge now does it.

If you want to blame Biden make your own thread

Where are you? The school playground?

I thought they were the rules now? You only have to look on other threads, if you deviate from the OP you get lambasted. I don’t make the rules

Think some people just make up the rules when it suits them."

Or people hijack a post to make their own rules.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled.

I guess Trump is totally blameless ??

Is biden going to be blameless when we top 800000 ? It doesn't matter who in charge now does it.

If you want to blame Biden make your own thread

Where are you? The school playground?

I thought they were the rules now? You only have to look on other threads, if you deviate from the OP you get lambasted. I don’t make the rules

Think some people just make up the rules when it suits them.

Or people hijack a post to make their own rules."

Like they have on here

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled.

I guess Trump is totally blameless ??

Is biden going to be blameless when we top 800000 ? It doesn't matter who in charge now does it.

If you want to blame Biden make your own thread

Where are you? The school playground?

I thought they were the rules now? You only have to look on other threads, if you deviate from the OP you get lambasted. I don’t make the rules

Think some people just make up the rules when it suits them.

Or people hijack a post to make their own rules."

And I took a back step as I recall?

And started a new thread.

At least I'm not that much of a hypocrite to whinge about it and 1 thread and condone it in another.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too"

Nah is he happy to see them starve.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

Nah is he happy to see them starve.

"

Tbf, Boris is overweight , he needs to set an example ,

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Sending old folks back to care homes was a mistake in hindsight but we didnt have the testing capability at the beginning so it was difficult to know who was infected, and all those that criticise that decision offer no alternative as to what to do with these old folk, the hospitals didnt have the beds to keep them and hospitals were the last place to keep vulnerable people, its laughable when l people say we should have locked down earlier, if you check the facts we locked down in virtually the same number of days after the first infections as other countries as as Sweden is showing all lockdowns do is slow infections but do little to lessen deaths. The stats show those below 75 who die are either of ethnic descent, obese or all ready ill, there is very little any government can do about those. Hindsight is very easy.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

Nah is he happy to see them starve.

Tbf, Boris is overweight , he needs to set an example , "

He has lost weight have you looked at how many workers in the nhs are overweight and smoke, you would think they would know better, it's their personal choice but it's not the government's fault if we are unhealthy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled.

I guess Trump is totally blameless ??

Is biden going to be blameless when we top 800000 ? It doesn't matter who in charge now does it.

If you want to blame Biden make your own thread

Where are you? The school playground?

I thought they were the rules now? You only have to look on other threads, if you deviate from the OP you get lambasted. I don’t make the rules

Think some people just make up the rules when it suits them.

Or people hijack a post to make their own rules.

And I took a back step as I recall?

And started a new thread.

At least I'm not that much of a hypocrite to whinge about it and 1 thread and condone it in another.

"

Who condoned it??

I don't believe this thread was hijacked. You mentioned the US in your opening post so I assume you wanna compare to the US. Someone mentioned Trump, someone mentioned Biden and Fabtastic went running to the teacher

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

Where people to blame for care homes?"

You mean the privately owned care homes who expect the UK taxpayer to pay for their PPE?

Lionel as a leftie who hates all privately owned companies who are in it for profit, I surprised you stick up for these companies who don't spend their money but rather would have the taxpayer pay for their ppe.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

Where people to blame for care homes?

You mean the privately owned care homes who expect the UK taxpayer to pay for their PPE?

Lionel as a leftie who hates all privately owned companies who are in it for profit, I surprised you stick up for these companies who don't spend their money but rather would have the taxpayer pay for their ppe."

Hmm..Did that really answer my question?

Who moved the people from hospitals into care homes?

Who threatened schools with legal action after being told they were not safe,?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

Nah is he happy to see them starve.

Tbf, Boris is overweight , he needs to set an example ,

He has lost weight have you looked at how many workers in the nhs are overweight and smoke, you would think they would know better, it's their personal choice but it's not the government's fault if we are unhealthy"

Never said it was, he is overweight, that is a fact

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too"

I seem to think Boris openly admitted to being too fat and unfit so not setting the best example but a good representation of the U.K..

Seeing as obesity is rife in the U.K. the government should have been addressing this more vigorously and whilst individual choice plays a part actually taxing surgery foods along with restricting unhealthy habits should be a leading government policy. So therefore yes it is by default partly his fault as he represents the government.

If you put yourself up there then you have to take the blame. It comes with the job.

How do you expect people to follow the rules if the likes of Cummings didn’t . No pubs open but Parliament bars stayed open.

Even last week Boris cycling 7 miles from home while people are arrested for driving to a park to walk.

The mixed levels in so many different areas was just ridiculous. The message of fly don’t fly work don’t work etc etc

In the end people lost interest due to the constantly changing message. Totally the governments fault.

Then add to that the four areas of the union having different rules it just became shambolic!

The parties and weddings etc have no excuse and they should be nailed as that’s not open to interpretation .

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar


"Sending old folks back to care homes was a mistake in hindsight but we didnt have the testing capability at the beginning so it was difficult to know who was infected, and all those that criticise that decision offer no alternative as to what to do with these old folk, the hospitals didnt have the beds to keep them and hospitals were the last place to keep vulnerable people, its laughable when l people say we should have locked down earlier, if you check the facts we locked down in virtually the same number of days after the first infections as other countries as as Sweden is showing all lockdowns do is slow infections but do little to lessen deaths. The stats show those below 75 who die are either of ethnic descent, obese or all ready ill, there is very little any government can do about those. Hindsight is very easy. "

The UK locked down the day after Germany.

Germany Sunday 22nd March.

Uk Monday 23rd March.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I mention china and get crucified for the source of the virus. Yet everyone crucifies their own government. You mention CCP involvement and no the are the shining light on how things should of been handled.

I guess Trump is totally blameless ??

Is biden going to be blameless when we top 800000 ? It doesn't matter who in charge now does it.

If you want to blame Biden make your own thread

Where are you? The school playground?

I thought they were the rules now? You only have to look on other threads, if you deviate from the OP you get lambasted. I don’t make the rules

Think some people just make up the rules when it suits them.

Or people hijack a post to make their own rules.

And I took a back step as I recall?

And started a new thread.

At least I'm not that much of a hypocrite to whinge about it and 1 thread and condone it in another.

Who condoned it??

I don't believe this thread was hijacked. You mentioned the US in your opening post so I assume you wanna compare to the US. Someone mentioned Trump, someone mentioned Biden and Fabtastic went running to the teacher "

If you want to complain about threads being hijacked then I guess you know the rest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sending old folks back to care homes was a mistake in hindsight but we didnt have the testing capability at the beginning so it was difficult to know who was infected, and all those that criticise that decision offer no alternative as to what to do with these old folk, the hospitals didnt have the beds to keep them and hospitals were the last place to keep vulnerable people, its laughable when l people say we should have locked down earlier, if you check the facts we locked down in virtually the same number of days after the first infections as other countries as as Sweden is showing all lockdowns do is slow infections but do little to lessen deaths. The stats show those below 75 who die are either of ethnic descent, obese or all ready ill, there is very little any government can do about those. Hindsight is very easy.

The UK locked down the day after Germany.

Germany Sunday 22nd March.

Uk Monday 23rd March."

And? Was the situation in Germany the same as here??

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

Nah is he happy to see them starve.

Tbf, Boris is overweight , he needs to set an example ,

He has lost weight have you looked at how many workers in the nhs are overweight and smoke, you would think they would know better, it's their personal choice but it's not the government's fault if we are unhealthy"

How many NHS workers are overweight?

Health is an individual responsibility though I agree.

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

I seem to think Boris openly admitted to being too fat and unfit so not setting the best example but a good representation of the U.K..

Seeing as obesity is rife in the U.K. the government should have been addressing this more vigorously and whilst individual choice plays a part actually taxing surgery foods along with restricting unhealthy habits should be a leading government policy. So therefore yes it is by default partly his fault as he represents the government.

If you put yourself up there then you have to take the blame. It comes with the job.

How do you expect people to follow the rules if the likes of Cummings didn’t . No pubs open but Parliament bars stayed open.

Even last week Boris cycling 7 miles from home while people are arrested for driving to a park to walk.

The mixed levels in so many different areas was just ridiculous. The message of fly don’t fly work don’t work etc etc

In the end people lost interest due to the constantly changing message. Totally the governments fault.

Then add to that the four areas of the union having different rules it just became shambolic!

The parties and weddings etc have no excuse and they should be nailed as that’s not open to interpretation . "

If you go outside you front door and cycle from there that is exercising from your house.

Getting in a car and driving somewhere to meet up with a mate is just taking the piss.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

I seem to think Boris openly admitted to being too fat and unfit so not setting the best example but a good representation of the U.K..

Seeing as obesity is rife in the U.K. the government should have been addressing this more vigorously and whilst individual choice plays a part actually taxing surgery foods along with restricting unhealthy habits should be a leading government policy. So therefore yes it is by default partly his fault as he represents the government.

If you put yourself up there then you have to take the blame. It comes with the job.

How do you expect people to follow the rules if the likes of Cummings didn’t . No pubs open but Parliament bars stayed open.

Even last week Boris cycling 7 miles from home while people are arrested for driving to a park to walk.

The mixed levels in so many different areas was just ridiculous. The message of fly don’t fly work don’t work etc etc

In the end people lost interest due to the constantly changing message. Totally the governments fault.

Then add to that the four areas of the union having different rules it just became shambolic!

The parties and weddings etc have no excuse and they should be nailed as that’s not open to interpretation .

If you go outside you front door and cycle from there that is exercising from your house.

Getting in a car and driving somewhere to meet up with a mate is just taking the piss."

As is driving to the park for a drive.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

I seem to think Boris openly admitted to being too fat and unfit so not setting the best example but a good representation of the U.K..

Seeing as obesity is rife in the U.K. the government should have been addressing this more vigorously and whilst individual choice plays a part actually taxing surgery foods along with restricting unhealthy habits should be a leading government policy. So therefore yes it is by default partly his fault as he represents the government.

If you put yourself up there then you have to take the blame. It comes with the job.

How do you expect people to follow the rules if the likes of Cummings didn’t . No pubs open but Parliament bars stayed open.

Even last week Boris cycling 7 miles from home while people are arrested for driving to a park to walk.

The mixed levels in so many different areas was just ridiculous. The message of fly don’t fly work don’t work etc etc

In the end people lost interest due to the constantly changing message. Totally the governments fault.

Then add to that the four areas of the union having different rules it just became shambolic!

The parties and weddings etc have no excuse and they should be nailed as that’s not open to interpretation .

If you go outside you front door and cycle from there that is exercising from your house.

Getting in a car and driving somewhere to meet up with a mate is just taking the piss.

As is driving to the park for a drive."
can you get or transmit covid while in a car like ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

I seem to think Boris openly admitted to being too fat and unfit so not setting the best example but a good representation of the U.K..

Seeing as obesity is rife in the U.K. the government should have been addressing this more vigorously and whilst individual choice plays a part actually taxing surgery foods along with restricting unhealthy habits should be a leading government policy. So therefore yes it is by default partly his fault as he represents the government.

If you put yourself up there then you have to take the blame. It comes with the job.

How do you expect people to follow the rules if the likes of Cummings didn’t . No pubs open but Parliament bars stayed open.

Even last week Boris cycling 7 miles from home while people are arrested for driving to a park to walk.

The mixed levels in so many different areas was just ridiculous. The message of fly don’t fly work don’t work etc etc

In the end people lost interest due to the constantly changing message. Totally the governments fault.

Then add to that the four areas of the union having different rules it just became shambolic!

The parties and weddings etc have no excuse and they should be nailed as that’s not open to interpretation .

If you go outside you front door and cycle from there that is exercising from your house.

Getting in a car and driving somewhere to meet up with a mate is just taking the piss.

As is driving to the park for a drive.can you get or transmit covid while in a car like ?"

Apparently

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

Where people to blame for care homes?

You mean the privately owned care homes who expect the UK taxpayer to pay for their PPE?

Lionel as a leftie who hates all privately owned companies who are in it for profit, I surprised you stick up for these companies who don't spend their money but rather would have the taxpayer pay for their ppe."

Private Care homes receive monies from the government and I seem to remember a care home saying their income could be affected if they refused to accept the hospital discharges .

So yes they should have PPE provided to protect the residents or are we now saying let them die?

Unfortunately the care homes were at the back of the queue whilst Tory recommended suppliers had their hands out taking millions while people died with non supply.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

Where people to blame for care homes?

You mean the privately owned care homes who expect the UK taxpayer to pay for their PPE?

Lionel as a leftie who hates all privately owned companies who are in it for profit, I surprised you stick up for these companies who don't spend their money but rather would have the taxpayer pay for their ppe.

Private Care homes receive monies from the government and I seem to remember a care home saying their income could be affected if they refused to accept the hospital discharges .

So yes they should have PPE provided to protect the residents or are we now saying let them die?

Unfortunately the care homes were at the back of the queue whilst Tory recommended suppliers had their hands out taking millions while people died with non supply.

"

Quite what releasing patients from hospital to care home has to do with ppe or privatisation is anyones guess.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

I seem to think Boris openly admitted to being too fat and unfit so not setting the best example but a good representation of the U.K..

Seeing as obesity is rife in the U.K. the government should have been addressing this more vigorously and whilst individual choice plays a part actually taxing surgery foods along with restricting unhealthy habits should be a leading government policy. So therefore yes it is by default partly his fault as he represents the government.

If you put yourself up there then you have to take the blame. It comes with the job.

How do you expect people to follow the rules if the likes of Cummings didn’t . No pubs open but Parliament bars stayed open.

Even last week Boris cycling 7 miles from home while people are arrested for driving to a park to walk.

The mixed levels in so many different areas was just ridiculous. The message of fly don’t fly work don’t work etc etc

In the end people lost interest due to the constantly changing message. Totally the governments fault.

Then add to that the four areas of the union having different rules it just became shambolic!

The parties and weddings etc have no excuse and they should be nailed as that’s not open to interpretation .

If you go outside you front door and cycle from there that is exercising from your house.

Getting in a car and driving somewhere to meet up with a mate is just taking the piss.

As is driving to the park for a drive.can you get or transmit covid while in a car like ?"

Well I'm guessing it's why taxi drivers are getting bumped up the vaccine queue.

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh

Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

"

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

Nah is he happy to see them starve.

Tbf, Boris is overweight , he needs to set an example ,

He has lost weight have you looked at how many workers in the nhs are overweight and smoke, you would think they would know better, it's their personal choice but it's not the government's fault if we are unhealthy

How many NHS workers are overweight?

Health is an individual responsibility though I agree."

Go into.any hospital or doctors surgery and have a look, it's amazing how many smoke considering they see the result

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

Nah is he happy to see them starve.

Tbf, Boris is overweight , he needs to set an example ,

He has lost weight have you looked at how many workers in the nhs are overweight and smoke, you would think they would know better, it's their personal choice but it's not the government's fault if we are unhealthy

How many NHS workers are overweight?

Health is an individual responsibility though I agree.

Go into.any hospital or doctors surgery and have a look, it's amazing how many smoke considering they see the result "

Maybe its the stress

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

Nah is he happy to see them starve.

Tbf, Boris is overweight , he needs to set an example ,

He has lost weight have you looked at how many workers in the nhs are overweight and smoke, you would think they would know better, it's their personal choice but it's not the government's fault if we are unhealthy

How many NHS workers are overweight?

Health is an individual responsibility though I agree.

Go into.any hospital or doctors surgery and have a look, it's amazing how many smoke considering they see the result "

You can’t smoke in a hospital or a doctors surgery

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact."

I think in time we will see the UK has been one of the most up front counties reporting covid deaths.

There have been many more covid deaths around the world either not reported or hidden.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

I think in time we will see the UK has been one of the most up front counties reporting covid deaths.

There have been many more covid deaths around the world either not reported or hidden."

How do you know? What are you basing this on?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

I think in time we will see the UK has been one of the most up front counties reporting covid deaths.

There have been many more covid deaths around the world either not reported or hidden.

How do you know? What are you basing this on?"

Absolutely nothing

Its just another attempt to say..look we arent that bad .

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact."

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just "Embrace the suck".

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ? "

So you dispute that fact?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"If you are looking for the biggest factor in the Covid spread it's the UK population.

They haven't and will not follow the rules.

Don't go to the beach, thousands did. Dont mix in large groups, 25 thousand went to London on a black lives matter demo. There was 400 people at a wedding in North London last week. Parties each weekend, illegal raves every weekend. People not wearing masks on public transport or in shops.

You can point your finger as much as you like at the government but until the population follows the rules this virus is not going anywhere.

And as someone else has said, health is an issue, we're probably the fattest country in Europe. I suppose that's Boris' fault too

Nah is he happy to see them starve.

Tbf, Boris is overweight , he needs to set an example ,

He has lost weight have you looked at how many workers in the nhs are overweight and smoke, you would think they would know better, it's their personal choice but it's not the government's fault if we are unhealthy

How many NHS workers are overweight?

Health is an individual responsibility though I agree.

Go into.any hospital or doctors surgery and have a look, it's amazing how many smoke considering they see the result

You can’t smoke in a hospital or a doctors surgery "

Wow never knew that.

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response."

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?"

It's a fact that 100,000 have died, it's also a fact that countries count deaths in different ways, it's also a fact that countries with large transit centres have high death rates, brussels and New York to name two like london, it's also a fact we have a high bame population which is a high risk factor, its also a fact we are a fat unfit nation with a high level of diabetes, all known risk factors.

Now let's hear where you would have sent old folks leaving hospitals, there wasnt beds there for them to stay so let's hear your answer, of course you wont because even cspr hindsight knows there was no choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1 country is responsible they mishandled it from the beginning. You can't blame politicians. If it was contained early we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Wait for the WHO report.

You really can blame politicians. Ultimately it is they who make the policies in response to the threat (and who have been responsible for preparations for this sort of thing).

Where it came from is irrelevant when talking about how effective (or not) a particular country/government have reacted.

What exactly should have been the response ? No vaccine until recently. UK in lockdown how is it not being mitigated ? I guess UK government should take harder draconian measures.

Boris changed his mind every five minutes. Didn't always heed medical advice. Gave unclear garbled messages to the people. The rules changed so many times over the summer no one knew WTF was going on. His government oversaw PPE disaster after PEE disaster. The NHS is horribly underfunded after over a decade of Tory neglect.

As some initial examples.

You can see our infection and death rate being so high as a result.

Ok what is the answer in your opinion how the government should have responded ? It's the same here no viable solution unless draconian measures are taken. California as a example here basically same mitigation efforts as the UK. Do we blame the governor ? Grant it I have a different view on the virus but at what point and what severe drastic measures should be imposed. what are your views on the virus ?

It's a virus you can try and mitigate as best you can. Vaccines are the only cure. It's that simple. It's up to individual mitigation not government control.

Absolutele nonsense

How is it nonsense ? Do you have to have a vaccine to stop it ? It is down to your individual well being not the government responsibility for your actions. Your in lockdown how is it helping again ? We can throw shade at every government on the planet but it eventually come down to your individual response. "

Wait till the economic impact takes effect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's interesting that people who think the "B" word is a good idea. Are by-and-large the same people who think that the government should not recieve criticism for their response to the pandemic, and that individual people are.

I did not expect that.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?

It's a fact that 100,000 have died, it's also a fact that countries count deaths in different ways, it's also a fact that countries with large transit centres have high death rates, brussels and New York to name two like london, it's also a fact we have a high bame population which is a high risk factor, its also a fact we are a fat unfit nation with a high level of diabetes, all known risk factors.

Now let's hear where you would have sent old folks leaving hospitals, there wasnt beds there for them to stay so let's hear your answer, of course you wont because even cspr hindsight knows there was no choice "

So..no..you simply cant accept we have one of the worst death rates in the world without resorting to excuses and reflections?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?

It's a fact that 100,000 have died, it's also a fact that countries count deaths in different ways, it's also a fact that countries with large transit centres have high death rates, brussels and New York to name two like london, it's also a fact we have a high bame population which is a high risk factor, its also a fact we are a fat unfit nation with a high level of diabetes, all known risk factors.

Now let's hear where you would have sent old folks leaving hospitals, there wasnt beds there for them to stay so let's hear your answer, of course you wont because even cspr hindsight knows there was no choice

So..no..you simply cant accept we have one of the worst death rates in the world without resorting to excuses and reflections?"

So you have no response about care homes, well that's a surprise, not, all criticism but nothing constructive, that's normal for you though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?

It's a fact that 100,000 have died, it's also a fact that countries count deaths in different ways, it's also a fact that countries with large transit centres have high death rates, brussels and New York to name two like london, it's also a fact we have a high bame population which is a high risk factor, its also a fact we are a fat unfit nation with a high level of diabetes, all known risk factors.

Now let's hear where you would have sent old folks leaving hospitals, there wasnt beds there for them to stay so let's hear your answer, of course you wont because even cspr hindsight knows there was no choice

So..no..you simply cant accept we have one of the worst death rates in the world without resorting to excuses and reflections?"

Lionel dear.... As soon as you realize that "Darwinism" exists life will be so much better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?

It's a fact that 100,000 have died, it's also a fact that countries count deaths in different ways, it's also a fact that countries with large transit centres have high death rates, brussels and New York to name two like london, it's also a fact we have a high bame population which is a high risk factor, its also a fact we are a fat unfit nation with a high level of diabetes, all known risk factors.

Now let's hear where you would have sent old folks leaving hospitals, there wasnt beds there for them to stay so let's hear your answer, of course you wont because even cspr hindsight knows there was no choice

So..no..you simply cant accept we have one of the worst death rates in the world without resorting to excuses and reflections?

So you have no response about care homes, well that's a surprise, not, all criticism but nothing constructive, that's normal for you though. "

In fairness. It's not his job to come up with solutions. That's what the government is supposed to be doing.

Unless Lionel is revealed to be Boris Johnson.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?

It's a fact that 100,000 have died, it's also a fact that countries count deaths in different ways, it's also a fact that countries with large transit centres have high death rates, brussels and New York to name two like london, it's also a fact we have a high bame population which is a high risk factor, its also a fact we are a fat unfit nation with a high level of diabetes, all known risk factors.

Now let's hear where you would have sent old folks leaving hospitals, there wasnt beds there for them to stay so let's hear your answer, of course you wont because even cspr hindsight knows there was no choice

So..no..you simply cant accept we have one of the worst death rates in the world without resorting to excuses and reflections?

Lionel dear.... As soon as you realize that "Darwinism" exists life will be so much better "

Care to explain that statement ?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?

It's a fact that 100,000 have died, it's also a fact that countries count deaths in different ways, it's also a fact that countries with large transit centres have high death rates, brussels and New York to name two like london, it's also a fact we have a high bame population which is a high risk factor, its also a fact we are a fat unfit nation with a high level of diabetes, all known risk factors.

Now let's hear where you would have sent old folks leaving hospitals, there wasnt beds there for them to stay so let's hear your answer, of course you wont because even cspr hindsight knows there was no choice

So..no..you simply cant accept we have one of the worst death rates in the world without resorting to excuses and reflections?

So you have no response about care homes, well that's a surprise, not, all criticism but nothing constructive, that's normal for you though. "

Where they tested in the care homes?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?

It's a fact that 100,000 have died, it's also a fact that countries count deaths in different ways, it's also a fact that countries with large transit centres have high death rates, brussels and New York to name two like london, it's also a fact we have a high bame population which is a high risk factor, its also a fact we are a fat unfit nation with a high level of diabetes, all known risk factors.

Now let's hear where you would have sent old folks leaving hospitals, there wasnt beds there for them to stay so let's hear your answer, of course you wont because even cspr hindsight knows there was no choice

So..no..you simply cant accept we have one of the worst death rates in the world without resorting to excuses and reflections?

Lionel dear.... As soon as you realize that "Darwinism" exists life will be so much better "

Cool story bro

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?"
os it not a fact that less people have died of cancer dementia Alzheimer’s flu amd other deaths since covid how’s that happened then ?

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?

It's a fact that 100,000 have died, it's also a fact that countries count deaths in different ways, it's also a fact that countries with large transit centres have high death rates, brussels and New York to name two like london, it's also a fact we have a high bame population which is a high risk factor, its also a fact we are a fat unfit nation with a high level of diabetes, all known risk factors.

Now let's hear where you would have sent old folks leaving hospitals, there wasnt beds there for them to stay so let's hear your answer, of course you wont because even cspr hindsight knows there was no choice

So..no..you simply cant accept we have one of the worst death rates in the world without resorting to excuses and reflections?

Lionel dear.... As soon as you realize that "Darwinism" exists life will be so much better "

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?os it not a fact that less people have died of cancer dementia Alzheimer’s flu amd other deaths since covid how’s that happened then ?"

We arent discussing other illnesses

We are discussing covid

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?os it not a fact that less people have died of cancer dementia Alzheimer’s flu amd other deaths since covid how’s that happened then ?

We arent discussing other illnesses

We are discussing covid "
aw cheers for that mate I must of missed that lol the reason less people are dying of other deaths is because almost all deaths are put down to covid these other illnesses don’t just stop because of a pandemic it’s the reason covid is as high as 100000 don’t you think

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?os it not a fact that less people have died of cancer dementia Alzheimer’s flu amd other deaths since covid how’s that happened then ?

We arent discussing other illnesses

We are discussing covid aw cheers for that mate I must of missed that lol the reason less people are dying of other deaths is because almost all deaths are put down to covid these other illnesses don’t just stop because of a pandemic it’s the reason covid is as high as 100000 don’t you think "

No you are completely wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?os it not a fact that less people have died of cancer dementia Alzheimer’s flu amd other deaths since covid how’s that happened then ?

We arent discussing other illnesses

We are discussing covid aw cheers for that mate I must of missed that lol the reason less people are dying of other deaths is because almost all deaths are put down to covid these other illnesses don’t just stop because of a pandemic it’s the reason covid is as high as 100000 don’t you think "

Possibly, but the vast majority will have died prematurely due to COVID .

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

I think in time we will see the UK has been one of the most up front counties reporting covid deaths.

There have been many more covid deaths around the world either not reported or hidden."

Yes North Korea , Iran, Brazil

Most countries are open and admit this is a mess . The reporting may change slightly but the end result is the deaths are there to see.

Difficult to avoid in western democracies .

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

I think in time we will see the UK has been one of the most up front counties reporting covid deaths.

There have been many more covid deaths around the world either not reported or hidden.

Yes North Korea , Iran, Brazil

Most countries are open and admit this is a mess . The reporting may change slightly but the end result is the deaths are there to see.

Difficult to avoid in western democracies ."

Didnt we not include care homes at the beginning?

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

I think in time we will see the UK has been one of the most up front counties reporting covid deaths.

There have been many more covid deaths around the world either not reported or hidden.

How do you know? What are you basing this on?"

Do you actually believe China has only had 4600 covid deaths?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

I think in time we will see the UK has been one of the most up front counties reporting covid deaths.

There have been many more covid deaths around the world either not reported or hidden.

How do you know? What are you basing this on?

Do you actually believe China has only had 4600 covid deaths?"

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?

It's a fact that 100,000 have died, it's also a fact that countries count deaths in different ways, it's also a fact that countries with large transit centres have high death rates, brussels and New York to name two like london, it's also a fact we have a high bame population which is a high risk factor, its also a fact we are a fat unfit nation with a high level of diabetes, all known risk factors.

Now let's hear where you would have sent old folks leaving hospitals, there wasnt beds there for them to stay so let's hear your answer, of course you wont because even cspr hindsight knows there was no choice

So..no..you simply cant accept we have one of the worst death rates in the world without resorting to excuses and reflections?

So you have no response about care homes, well that's a surprise, not, all criticism but nothing constructive, that's normal for you though.

In fairness. It's not his job to come up with solutions. That's what the government is supposed to be doing.

Unless Lionel is revealed to be Boris Johnson. "

All that proves is all he wants to do is criticise but doesnt have a clue about doing anything practical,

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

I think in time we will see the UK has been one of the most up front counties reporting covid deaths.

There have been many more covid deaths around the world either not reported or hidden.

Yes North Korea , Iran, Brazil

Most countries are open and admit this is a mess . The reporting may change slightly but the end result is the deaths are there to see.

Difficult to avoid in western democracies .

Didnt we not include care homes at the beginning?"

Yes you’re right that was not included at the beginning! Seeing as they accounted for most deaths that was some terrible addition . Back to school... oh wait!!

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?

It's a fact that 100,000 have died, it's also a fact that countries count deaths in different ways, it's also a fact that countries with large transit centres have high death rates, brussels and New York to name two like london, it's also a fact we have a high bame population which is a high risk factor, its also a fact we are a fat unfit nation with a high level of diabetes, all known risk factors.

Now let's hear where you would have sent old folks leaving hospitals, there wasnt beds there for them to stay so let's hear your answer, of course you wont because even cspr hindsight knows there was no choice

So..no..you simply cant accept we have one of the worst death rates in the world without resorting to excuses and reflections?

So you have no response about care homes, well that's a surprise, not, all criticism but nothing constructive, that's normal for you though.

In fairness. It's not his job to come up with solutions. That's what the government is supposed to be doing.

Unless Lionel is revealed to be Boris Johnson.

All that proves is all he wants to do is criticise but doesnt have a clue about doing anything practical, "

I asked you a question

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

And as has been explained many many times there are reasons for at least some of those deaths, all you want to do is find reasons to knock boris/tories, where would you have sent the old folk from hospitals, they couldn't stay in, where else was there at the time, I think we can all agree that it led to deaths but what choice was there in the real world ?

So you dispute that fact?os it not a fact that less people have died of cancer dementia Alzheimer’s flu amd other deaths since covid how’s that happened then ?

We arent discussing other illnesses

We are discussing covid aw cheers for that mate I must of missed that lol the reason less people are dying of other deaths is because almost all deaths are put down to covid these other illnesses don’t just stop because of a pandemic it’s the reason covid is as high as 100000 don’t you think

Possibly, but the vast majority will have died prematurely due to COVID . "
I agree prematurely but when there’s cases of people being given days to live with cancer then turns out had covid to put that down as covid is not right to me

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Statistics for the UK or any other country are not complete yet, nor will they for some time. Everyone mentions NZ, but they are bricking it as at sometime in the future they will need to relax their border controls. Yes, it looks good now but, how they maintain it going forward is a concern.

There is a lot more water to pass under the bridge yet to enable Boris to be fully judged.

The best government in any country needs the citizens of that country to comply, sadly Boris's late instigation of some good plans and the lack of adherence by many has not helped.

I'd say jury is still out, but if Rishi throws his hat in the ring - now there is a sharp cookie. From waiter to PM, I'd say he has had a better apprenticeship than many others in the cabinet.

We have one of the worst death rates in the world.

That is a stone cold fact.

I think in time we will see the UK has been one of the most up front counties reporting covid deaths.

There have been many more covid deaths around the world either not reported or hidden.

Yes North Korea , Iran, Brazil

Most countries are open and admit this is a mess . The reporting may change slightly but the end result is the deaths are there to see.

Difficult to avoid in western democracies .

Didnt we not include care homes at the beginning?

Yes you’re right that was not included at the beginning! Seeing as they accounted for most deaths that was some terrible addition . Back to school... oh wait!! "

So most up front then?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government."

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government."

Is it not equally lazy to blame people who aren't following the rules and absolve the government of any responsibility?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

oh and i forgot the much higher transmition rate of the mutant strain which was unfortunate for the uk that it started here but lucky for the rest of the world as we were able to tell them as soon as it was discovered.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone."
it’s not Lionel it’s the governments and the public we are all responsible not just yr hate figure Boris

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

The best thing is..if we had a v low death rate you can say with absolutele certainly that people wouldnt be banging on about the demographics of outer Mongolia in comparison

We would be beating our chest and laughing at Europe.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.it’s not Lionel it’s the governments and the public we are all responsible not just yr hate figure Boris "

Course it is.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone."
Did you not read a word i wrote are you just on another of your anti government rants?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.Did you not read a word i wrote are you just on another of your anti government rants?"

I read all of your excuses Trust me.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.it’s not Lionel it’s the governments and the public we are all responsible not just yr hate figure Boris

Course it is."
so the public are not to blame for any of this it’s just Boris lol

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.it’s not Lionel it’s the governments and the public we are all responsible not just yr hate figure Boris

Course it is.so the public are not to blame for any of this it’s just Boris lol"

Did you see the bit where I said people had broken the rules?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.Did you not read a word i wrote are you just on another of your anti government rants?

I read all of your excuses Trust me."
So you are saying there is no truth in what i posted they are all just excuses?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.Did you not read a word i wrote are you just on another of your anti government rants?

I read all of your excuses Trust me.So you are saying there is no truth in what i posted they are all just excuses?"

If what you are saying is true....why did we used to compare our stats with other countries on a daily basis?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.it’s not Lionel it’s the governments and the public we are all responsible not just yr hate figure Boris

Course it is.so the public are not to blame for any of this it’s just Boris lol

Did you see the bit where I said people had broken the rules?"
so if people are breaking the rules how can the responsibility be the governments and there’s alone that’s what you posted

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.it’s not Lionel it’s the governments and the public we are all responsible not just yr hate figure Boris

Course it is.so the public are not to blame for any of this it’s just Boris lol

Did you see the bit where I said people had broken the rules?so if people are breaking the rules how can the responsibility be the governments and there’s alone that’s what you posted "

Sigh

I said people have broken the rules but the gmnt manage the pandemic

It's their ultimate responsibility

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.Did you not read a word i wrote are you just on another of your anti government rants?

I read all of your excuses Trust me.So you are saying there is no truth in what i posted they are all just excuses?

If what you are saying is true....why did we used to compare our stats with other countries on a daily basis?"
I guess because very little was known about it at the time but just a guess

we now know bame people who catch it are 4 times more likely to die from it.

The more dense a population is the more it spreads.

people with underlining health problems and obese people are more likly to die.

The older you are there is more chance dying.

the new variant spreads so much more easily .

Which of those statements are untrue?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.it’s not Lionel it’s the governments and the public we are all responsible not just yr hate figure Boris

Course it is.so the public are not to blame for any of this it’s just Boris lol

Did you see the bit where I said people had broken the rules?so if people are breaking the rules how can the responsibility be the governments and there’s alone that’s what you posted

Sigh

I said people have broken the rules but the gmnt manage the pandemic

It's their ultimate responsibility "
lionel you didn’t you said it’s there’s and there’s alone read yr own posts back mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.it’s not Lionel it’s the governments and the public we are all responsible not just yr hate figure Boris

Course it is.so the public are not to blame for any of this it’s just Boris lol

Did you see the bit where I said people had broken the rules?so if people are breaking the rules how can the responsibility be the governments and there’s alone that’s what you posted

Sigh

I said people have broken the rules but the gmnt manage the pandemic

It's their ultimate responsibility "

So what should they do with the rule breakers? Shoot them?

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.it’s not Lionel it’s the governments and the public we are all responsible not just yr hate figure Boris

Course it is.so the public are not to blame for any of this it’s just Boris lol

Did you see the bit where I said people had broken the rules?so if people are breaking the rules how can the responsibility be the governments and there’s alone that’s what you posted

Sigh

I said people have broken the rules but the gmnt manage the pandemic

It's their ultimate responsibility

So what should they do with the rule breakers? Shoot them? "

Taser them might help.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.Did you not read a word i wrote are you just on another of your anti government rants?

I read all of your excuses Trust me.So you are saying there is no truth in what i posted they are all just excuses?

If what you are saying is true....why did we used to compare our stats with other countries on a daily basis?I guess because very little was known about it at the time but just a guess

we now know bame people who catch it are 4 times more likely to die from it.

The more dense a population is the more it spreads.

people with underlining health problems and obese people are more likly to die.

The older you are there is more chance dying.

the new variant spreads so much more easily .

Which of those statements are untrue?"

We compared with other countries because we didnt know much about it?

Seriously?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.it’s not Lionel it’s the governments and the public we are all responsible not just yr hate figure Boris

Course it is.so the public are not to blame for any of this it’s just Boris lol

Did you see the bit where I said people had broken the rules?so if people are breaking the rules how can the responsibility be the governments and there’s alone that’s what you posted

Sigh

I said people have broken the rules but the gmnt manage the pandemic

It's their ultimate responsibility

So what should they do with the rule breakers? Shoot them? "

Only if mr Cummings is at the head of the queue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.it’s not Lionel it’s the governments and the public we are all responsible not just yr hate figure Boris

Course it is.so the public are not to blame for any of this it’s just Boris lol

Did you see the bit where I said people had broken the rules?so if people are breaking the rules how can the responsibility be the governments and there’s alone that’s what you posted

Sigh

I said people have broken the rules but the gmnt manage the pandemic

It's their ultimate responsibility

So what should they do with the rule breakers? Shoot them? "

If i had to shoot the rule breakers here. It would far surpass death from covid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.it’s not Lionel it’s the governments and the public we are all responsible not just yr hate figure Boris

Course it is.so the public are not to blame for any of this it’s just Boris lol

Did you see the bit where I said people had broken the rules?so if people are breaking the rules how can the responsibility be the governments and there’s alone that’s what you posted

Sigh

I said people have broken the rules but the gmnt manage the pandemic

It's their ultimate responsibility

So what should they do with the rule breakers? Shoot them?

Only if mr Cummings is at the head of the queue"

Nice.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.Did you not read a word i wrote are you just on another of your anti government rants?

I read all of your excuses Trust me.So you are saying there is no truth in what i posted they are all just excuses?

If what you are saying is true....why did we used to compare our stats with other countries on a daily basis?I guess because very little was known about it at the time but just a guess

we now know bame people who catch it are 4 times more likely to die from it.

The more dense a population is the more it spreads.

people with underlining health problems and obese people are more likly to die.

The older you are there is more chance dying.

the new variant spreads so much more easily .

Which of those statements are untrue?

We compared with other countries because we didnt know much about it?

Seriously?"
As usual lionel you dont want to discuss any facts put to you just make silly remarks and blame boris, i really dont know why i engage in these exchanges with you im out and out for any future posts with you bye.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.Did you not read a word i wrote are you just on another of your anti government rants?

I read all of your excuses Trust me.So you are saying there is no truth in what i posted they are all just excuses?

If what you are saying is true....why did we used to compare our stats with other countries on a daily basis?I guess because very little was known about it at the time but just a guess

we now know bame people who catch it are 4 times more likely to die from it.

The more dense a population is the more it spreads.

people with underlining health problems and obese people are more likly to die.

The older you are there is more chance dying.

the new variant spreads so much more easily .

Which of those statements are untrue?

We compared with other countries because we didnt know much about it?

Seriously?As usual lionel you dont want to discuss any facts put to you just make silly remarks and blame boris, i really dont know why i engage in these exchanges with you im out and out for any future posts with you bye."
Costa I’m with you mate he just ignores and questions and posts things then says posted something else he’s got way worse since 1st jan I just can’t be fucking arsed same shit differ t day Boris Boris fucking Boris it’s an obsession now

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.Did you not read a word i wrote are you just on another of your anti government rants?

I read all of your excuses Trust me.So you are saying there is no truth in what i posted they are all just excuses?

If what you are saying is true....why did we used to compare our stats with other countries on a daily basis?I guess because very little was known about it at the time but just a guess

we now know bame people who catch it are 4 times more likely to die from it.

The more dense a population is the more it spreads.

people with underlining health problems and obese people are more likly to die.

The older you are there is more chance dying.

the new variant spreads so much more easily .

Which of those statements are untrue?

We compared with other countries because we didnt know much about it?

Seriously?As usual lionel you dont want to discuss any facts put to you just make silly remarks and blame boris, i really dont know why i engage in these exchanges with you im out and out for any future posts with you bye. Costa I’m with you mate he just ignores and questions and posts things then says posted something else he’s got way worse since 1st jan I just can’t be fucking arsed same shit differ t day Boris Boris fucking Boris it’s an obsession now"
Yep im ignoring it all now i get more sense out of my 5 y/o grandson.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personally i think there are many demographics that play into it the age of population, density of population, the health of the population before it started and the percentage of bame of the country before you can start comparing numbers. I can also see that its very easy for people too lazy to bother checking out the different demographics to just blame the government.

They must take ultimate responsibility

That's the bottom line

Yes people have broken the rules,including politician.la

The bottom line is when this is over..the responsibility is theirs and theirs alone.Did you not read a word i wrote are you just on another of your anti government rants?

I read all of your excuses Trust me.So you are saying there is no truth in what i posted they are all just excuses?

If what you are saying is true....why did we used to compare our stats with other countries on a daily basis?I guess because very little was known about it at the time but just a guess

we now know bame people who catch it are 4 times more likely to die from it.

The more dense a population is the more it spreads.

people with underlining health problems and obese people are more likly to die.

The older you are there is more chance dying.

the new variant spreads so much more easily .

Which of those statements are untrue?

We compared with other countries because we didnt know much about it?

Seriously?As usual lionel you dont want to discuss any facts put to you just make silly remarks and blame boris, i really dont know why i engage in these exchanges with you im out and out for any future posts with you bye. Costa I’m with you mate he just ignores and questions and posts things then says posted something else he’s got way worse since 1st jan I just can’t be fucking arsed same shit differ t day Boris Boris fucking Boris it’s an obsession nowYep im ignoring it all now i get more sense out of my 5 y/o grandson. "

Go Bucs

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

Lots of lessons to be learnt for sure but don't forget its people that spread it. If people don't respect lockdown, social distancing ect then it does not matter how soon we went into it. Remember all the mass demonstrations. How many got infected / died from them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lots of lessons to be learnt for sure but don't forget its people that spread it. If people don't respect lockdown, social distancing ect then it does not matter how soon we went into it. Remember all the mass demonstrations. How many got infected / died from them. "

Did the government do everything perfectly, or are they due for some critisim too?

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes


"Lots of lessons to be learnt for sure but don't forget its people that spread it. If people don't respect lockdown, social distancing ect then it does not matter how soon we went into it. Remember all the mass demonstrations. How many got infected / died from them.

Did the government do everything perfectly, or are they due for some critisim too?"

No and if you read my post again you will see I said lots of lessons to be learnt in the first line

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over a year ago


"Lots of lessons to be learnt for sure but don't forget its people that spread it. If people don't respect lockdown, social distancing ect then it does not matter how soon we went into it. Remember all the mass demonstrations. How many got infected / died from them. "

Riots in towns all over Holland tonight because of a curfew. Must be Boris's fault

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar


"Lots of lessons to be learnt for sure but don't forget its people that spread it. If people don't respect lockdown, social distancing ect then it does not matter how soon we went into it. Remember all the mass demonstrations. How many got infected / died from them.

Did the government do everything perfectly, or are they due for some critisim too?

No and if you read my post again you will see I said lots of lessons to be learnt in the first line"

No not everything has been done perfect and lessons are learned.

But it's the population spreading the virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lots of lessons to be learnt for sure but don't forget its people that spread it. If people don't respect lockdown, social distancing ect then it does not matter how soon we went into it. Remember all the mass demonstrations. How many got infected / died from them.

Did the government do everything perfectly, or are they due for some critisim too?

No and if you read my post again you will see I said lots of lessons to be learnt in the first line"

"If people don't respect lockdown, social distancing ect then it does not matter how soon we went into it"

This could be read as if the actions of people not following the rules, absolves the government of blame.

Personally, I'm down the middle. The government have made a shambles of their response to this. Especially Boris. For all the reasons above.

But people have played their part too, especially people who weren't care, broke the rules etc.

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar


"Lots of lessons to be learnt for sure but don't forget its people that spread it. If people don't respect lockdown, social distancing ect then it does not matter how soon we went into it. Remember all the mass demonstrations. How many got infected / died from them.

Riots in towns all over Holland tonight because of a curfew. Must be Boris's fault "

Im interested to see how the authorities deal with it. Hope they taser them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the end it's a virus it doesn't care about your political policies. It has one agenda it's how you let it choose that agenda government or not. In the end it is up to your choices.

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes


"Lots of lessons to be learnt for sure but don't forget its people that spread it. If people don't respect lockdown, social distancing ect then it does not matter how soon we went into it. Remember all the mass demonstrations. How many got infected / died from them.

Did the government do everything perfectly, or are they due for some critisim too?

No and if you read my post again you will see I said lots of lessons to be learnt in the first line

"If people don't respect lockdown, social distancing ect then it does not matter how soon we went into it"

This could be read as if the actions of people not following the rules, absolves the government of blame.

Personally, I'm down the middle. The government have made a shambles of their response to this. Especially Boris. For all the reasons above.

But people have played their part too, especially people who weren't care, broke the rules etc."

At no point did I say it absolves any government mistakes. It's a fact regardless of rules set and when set if people do not observe them they cannot be effective. Idiots at mass demonstrations spreading the virus are an example. How many people died because of the BLM demonstrations.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

A moment to reflect on all the deaths, past, present and sadly those that are still to come...

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