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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. " Vaccine roll out going well you just want to moan get a life | |||
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. Vaccine roll out going well you just want to moan get a life" Whoosh | |||
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. " Brilliant News. 
As many as 4,973,248 first doses have now been given and 464,036 second doses, an increase of 3,411 on figures released the previous day.
A total of 363,508 first coronavirus vaccinations were administered yesterday, the highest daily figure to date.
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. " Are they not using the ppe then? would you be moaning if they had no ppe? As usual random statements from you lionel. | |||
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. Are they not using the ppe then? would you be moaning if they had no ppe? As usual random statements from you lionel." You realise I am praising the vaccination programme? I apologise if it was too confusing for you. | |||
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"Be interested to know how many doses have had to be binned and how much it’s cost. Police officers in several forces have been contacted by local GP’s offering a dose of vaccine that was just gonna go in the bin. The Met are advising officers not to get inoculated independently of the forces vaccination programme. " Apparently they have to be used dont they? | |||
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"Be interested to know how many doses have had to be binned and how much it’s cost. Police officers in several forces have been contacted by local GP’s offering a dose of vaccine that was just gonna go in the bin. The Met are advising officers not to get inoculated independently of the forces vaccination programme. Apparently they have to be used dont they?" Supposedly but the few contacts I still have in the job said the GP’s that contacted the force were quite clear in that the doses were going to be destroyed if they didn’t take them up on the offer. Anecdotal I know but relevant. And the Met cops being told not to take up any offers of private vaccination was run in last weeks Police Oracle newsletter. Where do they go if they’re not being used in time? Just seems a bit slapdash to me | |||
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"Be interested to know how many doses have had to be binned and how much it’s cost. Police officers in several forces have been contacted by local GP’s offering a dose of vaccine that was just gonna go in the bin. The Met are advising officers not to get inoculated independently of the forces vaccination programme. Apparently they have to be used dont they? Supposedly but the few contacts I still have in the job said the GP’s that contacted the force were quite clear in that the doses were going to be destroyed if they didn’t take them up on the offer. Anecdotal I know but relevant. And the Met cops being told not to take up any offers of private vaccination was run in last weeks Police Oracle newsletter. Where do they go if they’re not being used in time? Just seems a bit slapdash to me " Only the police dont you think they contact others if they dont want it 
i can imagne the conversation DR the police dont want the jabs we have left over Ahhh just bin them then.  | |||
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"Be interested to know how many doses have had to be binned and how much it’s cost. Police officers in several forces have been contacted by local GP’s offering a dose of vaccine that was just gonna go in the bin. The Met are advising officers not to get inoculated independently of the forces vaccination programme. " Some surgeries do have short notice lists for when people do not show etc, much preferable to use any such vaccine than bin it which is wrong if it's ok to use.. The met could be updated by individuals and any surplus used on back room staff etc, think with this it's better to not be so rigid with any policies.. | |||
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. " it’s more like 5 million we are top of table in the world at this Lionel it’s unbelievable how good the U.K. are doing woth this and you finish yr post on a downer ffs mate only you eh | |||
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"Be interested to know how many doses have had to be binned and how much it’s cost. Police officers in several forces have been contacted by local GP’s offering a dose of vaccine that was just gonna go in the bin. The Met are advising officers not to get inoculated independently of the forces vaccination programme. Some surgeries do have short notice lists for when people do not show etc, much preferable to use any such vaccine than bin it which is wrong if it's ok to use.. The met could be updated by individuals and any surplus used on back room staff etc, think with this it's better to not be so rigid with any policies.." The logic behind the Mets decision is they want to be able to keep track of who they’ve vaccinated with a cascading priority list after FSU and TSG are done. | |||
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. it’s more like 5 million we are top of table in the world at this Lionel it’s unbelievable how good the U.K. are doing woth this and you finish yr post on a downer ffs mate only you eh " It goes against his nature to purley praise something. | |||
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. it’s more like 5 million we are top of table in the world at this Lionel it’s unbelievable how good the U.K. are doing woth this and you finish yr post on a downer ffs mate only you eh " I was making the comparison between the professionals doing a job and the utter fuck up when its given to the likes of serco. | |||
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. it’s more like 5 million we are top of table in the world at this Lionel it’s unbelievable how good the U.K. are doing woth this and you finish yr post on a downer ffs mate only you eh It goes against his nature to purley praise something. " I was praising it. Maybe I should draw a picture next time. | |||
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. it’s more like 5 million we are top of table in the world at this Lionel it’s unbelievable how good the U.K. are doing woth this and you finish yr post on a downer ffs mate only you eh I was making the comparison between the professionals doing a job and the utter fuck up when its given to the likes of serco." How do you feel the test centres have been run Lionel? | |||
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"All vax's have a shelf life - the Pfizer is a particularly short one once unfrozen. " I understand that but I’d hate to think doses were being binned instead of freely given | |||
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. it’s more like 5 million we are top of table in the world at this Lionel it’s unbelievable how good the U.K. are doing woth this and you finish yr post on a downer ffs mate only you eh I was making the comparison between the professionals doing a job and the utter fuck up when its given to the likes of serco. How do you feel the test centres have been run Lionel?" I believe I used the word professional..that's the way it seems anyway.. but I'm happy to be corrected. | |||
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"Be interested to know how many doses have had to be binned and how much it’s cost. Police officers in several forces have been contacted by local GP’s offering a dose of vaccine that was just gonna go in the bin. The Met are advising officers not to get inoculated independently of the forces vaccination programme. Apparently they have to be used dont they?" Once the pfizer vaccine is defrosted it has a limited shelf life so yes. They come in large batches so hence the mass vaccination centres and hub pharmacies etc. Thats why little, local pharmacies are not so useful as it would waste thiusands of vaccines. They will be more use with Oxford vaccine when supplies/production of this increases | |||
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"Be interested to know how many doses have had to be binned and how much it’s cost. Police officers in several forces have been contacted by local GP’s offering a dose of vaccine that was just gonna go in the bin. The Met are advising officers not to get inoculated independently of the forces vaccination programme. Some surgeries do have short notice lists for when people do not show etc, much preferable to use any such vaccine than bin it which is wrong if it's ok to use.. The met could be updated by individuals and any surplus used on back room staff etc, think with this it's better to not be so rigid with any policies.. The logic behind the Mets decision is they want to be able to keep track of who they’ve vaccinated with a cascading priority list after FSU and TSG are done. " They can do that anyway through your nhs number.  | |||
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. it’s more like 5 million we are top of table in the world at this Lionel it’s unbelievable how good the U.K. are doing woth this and you finish yr post on a downer ffs mate only you eh I was making the comparison between the professionals doing a job and the utter fuck up when its given to the likes of serco. How do you feel the test centres have been run Lionel? I believe I used the word professional..that's the way it seems anyway.. but I'm happy to be corrected. " What? That doesnt answer my question. | |||
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"Be interested to know how many doses have had to be binned and how much it’s cost. Police officers in several forces have been contacted by local GP’s offering a dose of vaccine that was just gonna go in the bin. The Met are advising officers not to get inoculated independently of the forces vaccination programme. Some surgeries do have short notice lists for when people do not show etc, much preferable to use any such vaccine than bin it which is wrong if it's ok to use.. The met could be updated by individuals and any surplus used on back room staff etc, think with this it's better to not be so rigid with any policies.. The logic behind the Mets decision is they want to be able to keep track of who they’ve vaccinated with a cascading priority list after FSU and TSG are done. " Can see that, Lfb have something similar but are going to update it as those currently attached to the LAS maybe vaccinated whilst in that role.. | |||
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"Be interested to know how many doses have had to be binned and how much it’s cost. Police officers in several forces have been contacted by local GP’s offering a dose of vaccine that was just gonna go in the bin. The Met are advising officers not to get inoculated independently of the forces vaccination programme. Some surgeries do have short notice lists for when people do not show etc, much preferable to use any such vaccine than bin it which is wrong if it's ok to use.. The met could be updated by individuals and any surplus used on back room staff etc, think with this it's better to not be so rigid with any policies.. The logic behind the Mets decision is they want to be able to keep track of who they’ve vaccinated with a cascading priority list after FSU and TSG are done. They can do that anyway through your nhs number. "Exactly. I’d suspect the reasoning is more public perception. Let the civvies have the dose first. Cops are expendable as always | |||
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. it’s more like 5 million we are top of table in the world at this Lionel it’s unbelievable how good the U.K. are doing woth this and you finish yr post on a downer ffs mate only you eh I was making the comparison between the professionals doing a job and the utter fuck up when its given to the likes of serco. How do you feel the test centres have been run Lionel? I believe I used the word professional..that's the way it seems anyway.. but I'm happy to be corrected. " your never happy with anything mate fullstop | |||
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. it’s more like 5 million we are top of table in the world at this Lionel it’s unbelievable how good the U.K. are doing woth this and you finish yr post on a downer ffs mate only you eh I was making the comparison between the professionals doing a job and the utter fuck up when its given to the likes of serco. How do you feel the test centres have been run Lionel? I believe I used the word professional..that's the way it seems anyway.. but I'm happy to be corrected. your never happy with anything mate fullstop " Try reading what I said. | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run?" I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. " GeoAmey do a lot of UK prisoner transports now. Not a bad little company according to my partner | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. " Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. GeoAmey do a lot of UK prisoner transports now. Not a bad little company according to my partner " I know there was an issue here with a high level escape but like I said..I'm no expert. | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose." I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. GeoAmey do a lot of UK prisoner transports now. Not a bad little company according to my partner I know there was an issue here with a high level escape but like I said..I'm no expert." Was there? | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. GeoAmey do a lot of UK prisoner transports now. Not a bad little company according to my partner I know there was an issue here with a high level escape but like I said..I'm no expert. Was there? " Yep a few years ago Walton It was like something out of a gangster film | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job ." I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple" That's what I was saying. | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. GeoAmey do a lot of UK prisoner transports now. Not a bad little company according to my partner I know there was an issue here with a high level escape but like I said..I'm no expert. Was there? Yep a few years ago Walton It was like something out of a gangster film " The murderer that escaped from Aintree Hospital? I remember the SFO’s smashing him to bits in Leeds. Not really a prisoner transport failing that but funny none the less | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. GeoAmey do a lot of UK prisoner transports now. Not a bad little company according to my partner I know there was an issue here with a high level escape but like I said..I'm no expert. Was there? Yep a few years ago Walton It was like something out of a gangster film The murderer that escaped from Aintree Hospital? I remember the SFO’s smashing him to bits in Leeds. Not really a prisoner transport failing that but funny none the less " No it was an escape from walton. I'll see if I can dig it out | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. GeoAmey do a lot of UK prisoner transports now. Not a bad little company according to my partner I know there was an issue here with a high level escape but like I said..I'm no expert. Was there? Yep a few years ago Walton It was like something out of a gangster film The murderer that escaped from Aintree Hospital? I remember the SFO’s smashing him to bits in Leeds. Not really a prisoner transport failing that but funny none the less " Oh yeah your right, it was aintree https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpools-most-brazen-prison-breaks-17294220.amp | |||
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"You advocating a more nationalised state control approach by any chance comrade Lionel? "Moi? | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying." No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't " Right..just quote where I said those exact words | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. GeoAmey do a lot of UK prisoner transports now. Not a bad little company according to my partner I know there was an issue here with a high level escape but like I said..I'm no expert. Was there? Yep a few years ago Walton It was like something out of a gangster film The murderer that escaped from Aintree Hospital? I remember the SFO’s smashing him to bits in Leeds. Not really a prisoner transport failing that but funny none the less Oh yeah your right, it was aintree https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpools-most-brazen-prison-breaks-17294220.amp " That was amazing. The terror on his face when he gets got is truly spectacular | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words " You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. " So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures." Well dodged mate
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"************************** A total of 5,383,103 people have had the first jab, with another 466,796 people so far also receiving their second inoculation against the virus. 200 jabs every minute. ************************** Go our Team. !!!!! " Are we the only country in the world that is delaying the second vaccination against the manufacturers advice? I think maybe we are. The potential issue with this move is that we will have tens of millions of people who are only partially immune to the virus and it is inevitable that some of those people will be exposed again to the virus. This is the path of certainty for the virus to mutate around weak immunity so it can fight the vaccine. I am really surprised that more is not being made of this because if the virus does mutate around partial immunity of a specific vaccine, we will be set back a year - or more to find new vaccines all over again. Still, we would be world beating at creating mutant viruses because we know better than the rest of the world. | |||
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"************************** A total of 5,383,103 people have had the first jab, with another 466,796 people so far also receiving their second inoculation against the virus. 200 jabs every minute. ************************** Go our Team. !!!!! Are we the only country in the world that is delaying the second vaccination against the manufacturers advice? I think maybe we are. The potential issue with this move is that we will have tens of millions of people who are only partially immune to the virus and it is inevitable that some of those people will be exposed again to the virus. This is the path of certainty for the virus to mutate around weak immunity so it can fight the vaccine. I am really surprised that more is not being made of this because if the virus does mutate around partial immunity of a specific vaccine, we will be set back a year - or more to find new vaccines all over again. Still, we would be world beating at creating mutant viruses because we know better than the rest of the world." asnt the virus already mutated in a few country’s alteeady isn’t that what the flu virus does every yr ? Isn’t it just a tweek to the vaccine something that happens every year woth the normal flu jab ? I’m no expert so may be wrong I’m sure we have plenty experts to correct me tho lol | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
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"************************** A total of 5,383,103 people have had the first jab, with another 466,796 people so far also receiving their second inoculation against the virus. 200 jabs every minute. ************************** Go our Team. !!!!! Are we the only country in the world that is delaying the second vaccination against the manufacturers advice? I think maybe we are. The potential issue with this move is that we will have tens of millions of people who are only partially immune to the virus and it is inevitable that some of those people will be exposed again to the virus. This is the path of certainty for the virus to mutate around weak immunity so it can fight the vaccine. I am really surprised that more is not being made of this because if the virus does mutate around partial immunity of a specific vaccine, we will be set back a year - or more to find new vaccines all over again. Still, we would be world beating at creating mutant viruses because we know better than the rest of the world." Tbf I can see the logic in giving a larger amount of people at least some vaccination as opposed to fully vaccinating some and leaving a lot with none whatsoever. | |||
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"************************** A total of 5,383,103 people have had the first jab, with another 466,796 people so far also receiving their second inoculation against the virus. 200 jabs every minute. ************************** Go our Team. !!!!! Are we the only country in the world that is delaying the second vaccination against the manufacturers advice? I think maybe we are. The potential issue with this move is that we will have tens of millions of people who are only partially immune to the virus and it is inevitable that some of those people will be exposed again to the virus. This is the path of certainty for the virus to mutate around weak immunity so it can fight the vaccine. I am really surprised that more is not being made of this because if the virus does mutate around partial immunity of a specific vaccine, we will be set back a year - or more to find new vaccines all over again. Still, we would be world beating at creating mutant viruses because we know better than the rest of the world. Tbf I can see the logic in giving a larger amount of people at least some vaccination as opposed to fully vaccinating some and leaving a lot with none whatsoever." I’m with you Lionel it makes sense to me but I’m no expert | |||
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"************************** A total of 5,383,103 people have had the first jab, with another 466,796 people so far also receiving their second inoculation against the virus. 200 jabs every minute. ************************** Go our Team. !!!!! Are we the only country in the world that is delaying the second vaccination against the manufacturers advice? I think maybe we are. The potential issue with this move is that we will have tens of millions of people who are only partially immune to the virus and it is inevitable that some of those people will be exposed again to the virus. This is the path of certainty for the virus to mutate around weak immunity so it can fight the vaccine. I am really surprised that more is not being made of this because if the virus does mutate around partial immunity of a specific vaccine, we will be set back a year - or more to find new vaccines all over again. Still, we would be world beating at creating mutant viruses because we know better than the rest of the world.asnt the virus already mutated in a few country’s alteeady isn’t that what the flu virus does every yr ? Isn’t it just a tweek to the vaccine something that happens every year woth the normal flu jab ? I’m no expert so may be wrong I’m sure we have plenty experts to correct me tho lol" Yes. The reason the flu jab is renewed every year is because the virus has learned to overcome the vaccine by mutating into a new variant. This happens every year as the virus is contracted by people with varying levels of immunity to it. It will be catastrophic for this country (and the world) if this revolutionary action results in new mutations that will be impervious to the current vaccines in production. Personally, I think that delaying the second dose will prove to be a mistake - for this very reason. This Government has a track record of making the wrong decisions with regard to the virus and rowing our boat against the manufacturers advice and the examples of how flu mutates is really questionable. | |||
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"************************** A total of 5,383,103 people have had the first jab, with another 466,796 people so far also receiving their second inoculation against the virus. 200 jabs every minute. ************************** Go our Team. !!!!! Are we the only country in the world that is delaying the second vaccination against the manufacturers advice? I think maybe we are. The potential issue with this move is that we will have tens of millions of people who are only partially immune to the virus and it is inevitable that some of those people will be exposed again to the virus. This is the path of certainty for the virus to mutate around weak immunity so it can fight the vaccine. I am really surprised that more is not being made of this because if the virus does mutate around partial immunity of a specific vaccine, we will be set back a year - or more to find new vaccines all over again. Still, we would be world beating at creating mutant viruses because we know better than the rest of the world. Tbf I can see the logic in giving a larger amount of people at least some vaccination as opposed to fully vaccinating some and leaving a lot with none whatsoever." Simple logic -yes. But that is just giving the virus an opportunity to defeat a weakened vaccine and risk mutating into something much worse. | |||
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"************************** A total of 5,383,103 people have had the first jab, with another 466,796 people so far also receiving their second inoculation against the virus. 200 jabs every minute. ************************** Go our Team. !!!!! Are we the only country in the world that is delaying the second vaccination against the manufacturers advice? I think maybe we are. The potential issue with this move is that we will have tens of millions of people who are only partially immune to the virus and it is inevitable that some of those people will be exposed again to the virus. This is the path of certainty for the virus to mutate around weak immunity so it can fight the vaccine. I am really surprised that more is not being made of this because if the virus does mutate around partial immunity of a specific vaccine, we will be set back a year - or more to find new vaccines all over again. Still, we would be world beating at creating mutant viruses because we know better than the rest of the world.asnt the virus already mutated in a few country’s alteeady isn’t that what the flu virus does every yr ? Isn’t it just a tweek to the vaccine something that happens every year woth the normal flu jab ? I’m no expert so may be wrong I’m sure we have plenty experts to correct me tho lol Yes. The reason the flu jab is renewed every year is because the virus has learned to overcome the vaccine by mutating into a new variant. This happens every year as the virus is contracted by people with varying levels of immunity to it. It will be catastrophic for this country (and the world) if this revolutionary action results in new mutations that will be impervious to the current vaccines in production. Personally, I think that delaying the second dose will prove to be a mistake - for this very reason. This Government has a track record of making the wrong decisions with regard to the virus and rowing our boat against the manufacturers advice and the examples of how flu mutates is really questionable." I was hoping they would be lead by the experts on this if what yr saying is true heads will rolll and rightly so fingers crossed it doesn’t happen now you’ve informed me I’ll keep an eye on this subject | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful? "We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning. Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument. | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful?
We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning.
Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument."No I haven’t, is it an interesting read? Overall has it been a success and provided value for money? | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful?
We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning.
Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument.
No I haven’t, is it an interesting read? Overall has it been a success and provided value for money? "Well the latest data (last week) shows that 87% of cases were reached and 93% of contacts. I'd say that's fairly successful. | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful?
We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning.
Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument.
No I haven’t, is it an interesting read? Overall has it been a success and provided value for money?
Well the latest data (last week) shows that 87% of cases were reached and 93% of contacts.
I'd say that's fairly successful."Why are you only basing its success on last weeks figure? Overall has it been successful and provided value for money ? | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful?
We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning.
Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument.
No I haven’t, is it an interesting read? Overall has it been a success and provided value for money?
Well the latest data (last week) shows that 87% of cases were reached and 93% of contacts.
I'd say that's fairly successful.
Why are you only basing its success on last weeks figure? Overall has it been successful and provided value for money ? "Because that's the most recent data. However, it's been running at over 80% since October (that's as far back as I've checked). As for value, there's no cost too much for human lives mate  | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful?
We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning.
Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument.
No I haven’t, is it an interesting read? Overall has it been a success and provided value for money?
Well the latest data (last week) shows that 87% of cases were reached and 93% of contacts.
I'd say that's fairly successful.
Why are you only basing its success on last weeks figure? Overall has it been successful and provided value for money ?
Because that's the most recent data. However, it's been running at over 80% since October (that's as far back as I've checked).
As for value, there's no cost too much for human lives mate "That’s true, it is such a shame that despite this successful track and trace system we have the worst COVID death rate in the world. How has that happened? | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful?
We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning.
Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument.
No I haven’t, is it an interesting read? Overall has it been a success and provided value for money?
Well the latest data (last week) shows that 87% of cases were reached and 93% of contacts.
I'd say that's fairly successful.
Why are you only basing its success on last weeks figure? Overall has it been successful and provided value for money ?
Because that's the most recent data. However, it's been running at over 80% since October (that's as far back as I've checked).
As for value, there's no cost too much for human lives mate
That’s true, it is such a shame that despite this successful track and trace system we have the worst COVID death rate in the world. How has that happened? "Because people don't do the right thing. People spread the virus, not Test & Trace. | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful?
We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning.
Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument.
No I haven’t, is it an interesting read? Overall has it been a success and provided value for money?
Well the latest data (last week) shows that 87% of cases were reached and 93% of contacts.
I'd say that's fairly successful.
Why are you only basing its success on last weeks figure? Overall has it been successful and provided value for money ?
Because that's the most recent data. However, it's been running at over 80% since October (that's as far back as I've checked).
As for value, there's no cost too much for human lives mate
That’s true, it is such a shame that despite this successful track and trace system we have the worst COVID death rate in the world. How has that happened?
Because people don't do the right thing. People spread the virus, not Test & Trace."True, so it is the British people who are to blame? | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful?
We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning.
Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument.
No I haven’t, is it an interesting read? Overall has it been a success and provided value for money?
Well the latest data (last week) shows that 87% of cases were reached and 93% of contacts.
I'd say that's fairly successful.
Why are you only basing its success on last weeks figure? Overall has it been successful and provided value for money ?
Because that's the most recent data. However, it's been running at over 80% since October (that's as far back as I've checked).
As for value, there's no cost too much for human lives mate
That’s true, it is such a shame that despite this successful track and trace system we have the worst COVID death rate in the world. How has that happened?
Because people don't do the right thing. People spread the virus, not Test & Trace.
True, so it is the British people who are to blame? "Well I wouldn't say all people moving around this country are British. But people moving around this country are to blame yes. Whether they're British or any other nationality | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful?
We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning.
Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument.
No I haven’t, is it an interesting read? Overall has it been a success and provided value for money?
Well the latest data (last week) shows that 87% of cases were reached and 93% of contacts.
I'd say that's fairly successful.
Why are you only basing its success on last weeks figure? Overall has it been successful and provided value for money ?
Because that's the most recent data. However, it's been running at over 80% since October (that's as far back as I've checked).
As for value, there's no cost too much for human lives mate
That’s true, it is such a shame that despite this successful track and trace system we have the worst COVID death rate in the world. How has that happened?
Because people don't do the right thing. People spread the virus, not Test & Trace.
True, so it is the British people who are to blame?
Well I wouldn't say all people moving around this country are British.
But people moving around this country are to blame yes. Whether they're British or any other nationality
"What percentage of the people ‘moving around the country ‘ aren’t British? Track and trace has been successful, the governments response has been successful but the people (British or not) ‘moving around ‘ are responsible for the highest COVID death rate in the world? That is tragic | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful?
We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning.
Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument.
No I haven’t, is it an interesting read? Overall has it been a success and provided value for money?
Well the latest data (last week) shows that 87% of cases were reached and 93% of contacts.
I'd say that's fairly successful.
Why are you only basing its success on last weeks figure? Overall has it been successful and provided value for money ?
Because that's the most recent data. However, it's been running at over 80% since October (that's as far back as I've checked).
As for value, there's no cost too much for human lives mate
That’s true, it is such a shame that despite this successful track and trace system we have the worst COVID death rate in the world. How has that happened?
Because people don't do the right thing. People spread the virus, not Test & Trace.
True, so it is the British people who are to blame?
Well I wouldn't say all people moving around this country are British.
But people moving around this country are to blame yes. Whether they're British or any other nationality
What percentage of the people ‘moving around the country ‘ aren’t British? Track and trace has been successful, the governments response has been successful but the people (British or not) ‘moving around ‘ are responsible for the highest COVID death rate in the world? That is tragic "Who cares how many aren't British. It makes no odds to me what nationality a person is. Don't try and tell me that people don't spread the virus. Enough with the questions now, it's boring getting boring again. Goodnight. | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful?
We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning.
Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument.
No I haven’t, is it an interesting read? Overall has it been a success and provided value for money?
Well the latest data (last week) shows that 87% of cases were reached and 93% of contacts.
I'd say that's fairly successful.
Why are you only basing its success on last weeks figure? Overall has it been successful and provided value for money ?
Because that's the most recent data. However, it's been running at over 80% since October (that's as far back as I've checked).
As for value, there's no cost too much for human lives mate
That’s true, it is such a shame that despite this successful track and trace system we have the worst COVID death rate in the world. How has that happened?
Because people don't do the right thing. People spread the virus, not Test & Trace.
True, so it is the British people who are to blame?
Well I wouldn't say all people moving around this country are British.
But people moving around this country are to blame yes. Whether they're British or any other nationality
What percentage of the people ‘moving around the country ‘ aren’t British? Track and trace has been successful, the governments response has been successful but the people (British or not) ‘moving around ‘ are responsible for the highest COVID death rate in the world? That is tragic
Who cares how many aren't British. It makes no odds to me what nationality a person is.
Don't try and tell me that people don't spread the virus.
Enough with the questions now, it's boring getting boring again. Goodnight."9%, yes it is boring, I just hope the British people get there act together and we can get over this . Good night | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful?
We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning.
Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument.
No I haven’t, is it an interesting read? Overall has it been a success and provided value for money?
Well the latest data (last week) shows that 87% of cases were reached and 93% of contacts.
I'd say that's fairly successful.
Why are you only basing its success on last weeks figure? Overall has it been successful and provided value for money ?
Because that's the most recent data. However, it's been running at over 80% since October (that's as far back as I've checked).
As for value, there's no cost too much for human lives mate
That’s true, it is such a shame that despite this successful track and trace system we have the worst COVID death rate in the world. How has that happened?
Because people don't do the right thing. People spread the virus, not Test & Trace.
True, so it is the British people who are to blame?
Well I wouldn't say all people moving around this country are British.
But people moving around this country are to blame yes. Whether they're British or any other nationality
What percentage of the people ‘moving around the country ‘ aren’t British? Track and trace has been successful, the governments response has been successful but the people (British or not) ‘moving around ‘ are responsible for the highest COVID death rate in the world? That is tragic
Who cares how many aren't British. It makes no odds to me what nationality a person is.
Don't try and tell me that people don't spread the virus.
Enough with the questions now, it's boring getting boring again. Goodnight."You have my sympathies! It's always just a constant stream of boring questions. | |||
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"Lionel, I specifically asked you a question How do you feel the test centres have been run? But also... How do you feel prisoner transport is run? I told you Professionally.. or it would seem that way.Obviusly I dont know the minutae but so far,it seems to be successful. I dont know much about prisoner transport. I know it was farmed out(group 4 I believe)and there has been a few issues but I'm no expert. I do believe the probation service privation has been another catastrophe. Serco handle a lot of the test centres as well as Prisoner Transport among a lot of other things. Anyway, the point is... Sometimes external contractors do just aswell, if not, better than publicly run. But you only want to point out the PPE bad. You can't just pick and choose. I was pointing out that the 'state' is often lambasted for being inefficient and over bloated and we are told that the private sector is more effective. If you compare this to the track and trace system,I know which sector is doing the better job . I see what you're doing. You only ever compare to failures. It looks better to accentuate your point. A point which is pointless. The fact is that some state run programs are better than private, and vice versa. It's really that simple That's what I was saying. No it's not. You said the state one was great whilst the private one wasn't Right..just quote where I said those exact words You're initial post Lionel, you compared one decent public run program to multiple bad private ones. So I didn't actually say what you quoted then? Go and have a look at the NHS thread and see how many references are made to not fit for purpose, wasting money,too heavy etc etc I was pointing out that when the state gets involved it can often be a lot more effective than private ventures. Well dodged mate
We both know what comparison you were making
Do you think track and trace was successful?
We both know it was an absolute mess at the beginning.
Has anyone bothered to check the most recent data from Test & Trace? Probably not as it wouldn't help your argument.
No I haven’t, is it an interesting read? Overall has it been a success and provided value for money?
Well the latest data (last week) shows that 87% of cases were reached and 93% of contacts.
I'd say that's fairly successful.
Why are you only basing its success on last weeks figure? Overall has it been successful and provided value for money ?
Because that's the most recent data. However, it's been running at over 80% since October (that's as far back as I've checked).
As for value, there's no cost too much for human lives mate
That’s true, it is such a shame that despite this successful track and trace system we have the worst COVID death rate in the world. How has that happened?
Because people don't do the right thing. People spread the virus, not Test & Trace.
True, so it is the British people who are to blame?
Well I wouldn't say all people moving around this country are British.
But people moving around this country are to blame yes. Whether they're British or any other nationality
What percentage of the people ‘moving around the country ‘ aren’t British? Track and trace has been successful, the governments response has been successful but the people (British or not) ‘moving around ‘ are responsible for the highest COVID death rate in the world? That is tragic
Who cares how many aren't British. It makes no odds to me what nationality a person is.
Don't try and tell me that people don't spread the virus.
Enough with the questions now, it's boring getting boring again. Goodnight.
You have my sympathies! It's always just a constant stream of boring questions."How are you Dave ? | |||
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"************************** A total of 5,383,103 people have had the first jab, with another 466,796 people so far also receiving their second inoculation against the virus. 200 jabs every minute. ************************** Go our Team. !!!!! Are we the only country in the world that is delaying the second vaccination against the manufacturers advice? I think maybe we are. The potential issue with this move is that we will have tens of millions of people who are only partially immune to the virus and it is inevitable that some of those people will be exposed again to the virus. This is the path of certainty for the virus to mutate around weak immunity so it can fight the vaccine. I am really surprised that more is not being made of this because if the virus does mutate around partial immunity of a specific vaccine, we will be set back a year - or more to find new vaccines all over again. Still, we would be world beating at creating mutant viruses because we know better than the rest of the world. Tbf I can see the logic in giving a larger amount of people at least some vaccination as opposed to fully vaccinating some and leaving a lot with none whatsoever. Simple logic -yes. But that is just giving the virus an opportunity to defeat a weakened vaccine and risk mutating into something much worse." Germany are now going to do the same. | |||
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"Mass vaccination programme rolled out by the state, the NHS and the army. An estimated 4 million people vaccinated so far. Whilst the track and trace was put to contract has been a disaster. Similarly millions have been wasted in ppe contracts. An interesting comparison. " Tory chumocracy fuckup v competent public sector.. Obvious really  | |||
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" Tory chumocracy fuckup v competent public sector.. Obvious really "What i mean is the contract looks like it was rushed out by the government to private sector without discussions withe European countries who did much much better with a more effective track n trace.. No-one from the government mentions it now, or the useless ppe, anothe panic/knee jerk reaction by the government, | |||
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