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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Priti Patel says the UK should have closed its borders in March 2020 in light of the coronavirus pandemic.

In a video call obtained by Guido Fawkes , the home secretary told Tory supporters she was an "advocate" of closing the borders 10 months ago.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-55733357

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Knowing Priti she was probably unaware of the pandemic and it was one of her policy proposals.

Who the f is Guido Fawkes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Knowing Priti she was probably unaware of the pandemic and it was one of her policy proposals.

Who the f is Guido Fawkes? "

A right wing blogger

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Priti wanted to close the border, SAGE opposed closing the border.

Government went with SAGE.

Wasn't the message at the time “we are following the science”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Priti wanted to close the border, SAGE opposed closing the border.

Government went with SAGE.

Wasn't the message at the time “we are following the science”

But there's a lot of people on here who ask 'why don't we listen to SAGE?'

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Priti wanted to close the border, SAGE opposed closing the border.

Government went with SAGE.

Wasn't the message at the time “we are following the science”

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well the science where wrong

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Knowing Priti she was probably unaware of the pandemic and it was one of her policy proposals.

Who the f is Guido Fawkes? "

Does he have a distant relative called Guy?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Priti wanted to close the border, SAGE opposed closing the border.

Government went with SAGE.

Wasn't the message at the time “we are following the science”

But there's a lot of people on here who ask 'why don't we listen to SAGE?'

Really?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"Knowing Priti she was probably unaware of the pandemic and it was one of her policy proposals.

Who the f is Guido Fawkes? "

paul staines. confirmed piss head. used to organise raves in the 80's and early 90's. went on to establish Guido Fawkes as a far right agent of chaos website.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Priti wanted to close the border, SAGE opposed closing the border.

Government went with SAGE.

Wasn't the message at the time “we are following the science”

we'll the science where wrong "

Surely the Science was correct &

was just ignored by Goverment

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

nobody knows, as at that time last year SAGE was a secret organisation that no member of the public was allowed to know what they were saying or who they were.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Scientists have opinions, politicians have opinions, people on sex sites have opinions.

Thats what life is all about.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

So boris doesn't listen to the experts.

Glad that's cleared up.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Was Boris even there to hear the experts ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Was Boris even there to hear the experts ?"

Yeah that's the most surprising thing about the whole story.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Follow the experts don't follow the expert follow the experts don't follow the experts . . .

fucked if you do fucked if you don't - there is always some hindsight clown with a keyboard and an agenda.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Priti wanted to close the border, SAGE opposed closing the border.

Government went with SAGE.

Wasn't the message at the time “we are following the science”

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Tells you Priti Patel was 100%right she has gone up in my estimation from zero to 100 be a good PM

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.

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Who would have thought it Pritti the woman they all liked to slag off and now they are singing her praises such a fickle lot.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Why did SAGE want the borders kept open ?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"Why did SAGE want the borders kept open ? "

Because they are the experts lmao (when it suits).

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.

Hang on..the constant refrain Is we follow the scientific advice and that is backed up on here.

Rightly or wrongly..they clearly havent here.

You cant have it both ways.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Why did SAGE want the borders kept open ? "

Apparently they said it wouldnt make a difference.

It's all very odd as the same day the papers were released, a recording of priti has also been released.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.

Hang on..the constant refrain Is we follow the scientific advice and that is backed up on here.

Rightly or wrongly..they clearly havent here.

You cant have it both ways.

of course you can have it both ways under the rule of when it suits.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.

Hang on..the constant refrain Is we follow the scientific advice and that is backed up on here.

Rightly or wrongly..they clearly havent here.

You cant have it both ways.

of course you can have it both ways under the rule of when it suits. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.

Who would have thought it Pritti the woman they all liked to slag off and now they are singing her praises such a fickle lot.

Surely we are just holding them responsible

If she admits it, it’s negligence of duties at minimum and manslaughter at worst.

Her lack of action, whilst busying herself with who she could deport next, has undoubtedly caused deaths, potentially thousands.

Resign

Ironic really the only time she doesn’t want to shut the borders is when it makes sense to do so.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.

Who would have thought it Pritti the woman they all liked to slag off and now they are singing her praises such a fickle lot.

Who is singing her praises?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.

Hang on..the constant refrain Is we follow the scientific advice and that is backed up on here.

Rightly or wrongly..they clearly havent here.

You cant have it both ways.

of course you can have it both ways under the rule of when it suits. "

they followed the science - SAGE advised against closing the border.

So when they said “we follow the science” - they did. Problem is with hindsight - the science was wrong .

Sounds to me like the government bashers are spinning like a weather vain in the breeze

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.

Hang on..the constant refrain Is we follow the scientific advice and that is backed up on here.

Rightly or wrongly..they clearly havent here.

You cant have it both ways.

of course you can have it both ways under the rule of when it suits.

they followed the science - SAGE advised against closing the border.

So when they said “we follow the science” - they did. Problem is with hindsight - the science was wrong .

Sounds to me like the government bashers are spinning like a weather vain in the breeze

"
just like KS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating"

But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'

To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.

Hang on..the constant refrain Is we follow the scientific advice and that is backed up on here.

Rightly or wrongly..they clearly havent here.

You cant have it both ways.

of course you can have it both ways under the rule of when it suits.

they followed the science - SAGE advised against closing the border.

So when they said “we follow the science” - they did. Problem is with hindsight - the science was wrong .

Sounds to me like the government bashers are spinning like a weather vain in the breeze

Is the science always wrong?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

A bit that is also overlooked is that sage actually said visitors coming here should quarantine for 14 days.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating

But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'

To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways

So we should ignore the science?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

This is the SAGE committee that at the time had Dominic Cummings sitting on it.

I'm sure that had no influence on what they recommended.

Meanwhile, people are giving Patel credit for claiming she thought something over a year ago?

The bar for comptence amongst Tories is really low, isn't it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating

But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'

To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways

So we should ignore the science?"

I didn't say we should ignore the science. I said you can't have it both ways

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Priti wanted to close the border, SAGE opposed closing the border.

Government went with SAGE.

Wasn't the message at the time “we are following the science”

Tells you Priti Patel was 100%right she has gone up in my estimation from zero to 100 be a good PM"

Her position on closing borders probably wasn't motivated by a desire to control the pandemic.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"This is the SAGE committee that at the time had Dominic Cummings sitting on it.

I'm sure that had no influence on what they recommended.

Meanwhile, people are giving Patel credit for claiming she thought something over a year ago?

The bar for comptence amongst Tories is really low, isn't it."

Dominic Cummings did not sit on tbe SAGE commitee.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the SAGE committee that at the time had Dominic Cummings sitting on it.

I'm sure that had no influence on what they recommended.

Meanwhile, people are giving Patel credit for claiming she thought something over a year ago?

The bar for comptence amongst Tories is really low, isn't it.

Dominic Cummings did not sit on tbe SAGE commitee. "

But The Guardian reported he did. It doesn't matter that any of the 'sources' claims are unsubstantiated

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

i am looking at the published minutes for the 'Twenty-eighth Sage meeting on COVID 19, 23rd April 2020 Held via Zoom' on the governments website.

in the list of attendees it clearly, unequivocally and irrefutably shows 'HMG Dominic Cummings (No. 10)'

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"i am looking at the published minutes for the 'Twenty-eighth Sage meeting on COVID 19, 23rd April 2020 Held via Zoom' on the governments website.

in the list of attendees it clearly, unequivocally and irrefutably shows 'HMG Dominic Cummings (No. 10)'"

He attended as an observer. He may well have asked questions.

But he wasn't a member of tbe Committee.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating

But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'

To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways

So we should ignore the science?

I didn't say we should ignore the science. I said you can't have it both ways

I agree

You either follow the science or you dont

And it appears in a lot of cases we dont.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i am looking at the published minutes for the 'Twenty-eighth Sage meeting on COVID 19, 23rd April 2020 Held via Zoom' on the governments website.

in the list of attendees it clearly, unequivocally and irrefutably shows 'HMG Dominic Cummings (No. 10)'"

Attendance is not the same as sitting on a committee.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the Sage minutes show irrefutably that Cummings was sitting in on the meeting on the 23rd April 2020 despite the protestations of fab members attempting to say he didn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating

But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'

To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways

So we should ignore the science?

I didn't say we should ignore the science. I said you can't have it both ways

I agree

You either follow the science or you dont

And it appears in a lot of cases we dont."

The point is Lionel. On this occasion we followed the science. Those people who scream about following science also scream that we should've locked down sooner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the Sage minutes show irrefutably that Cummings was sitting in on the meeting on the 23rd April 2020 despite the protestations of fab members attempting to say he didn't."

No. Those fab members (myself included) are attempting to say he didn't sit on the committee.

Stop trying to twist words.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating

But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'

To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways

So we should ignore the science?

I didn't say we should ignore the science. I said you can't have it both ways

I agree

You either follow the science or you dont

And it appears in a lot of cases we dont.

The point is Lionel. On this occasion we followed the science. Those people who scream about following science also scream that we should've locked down sooner."

Well no actually it's not the point.

The point is they continually claim.

We follow the science.

The fact is they dont.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating

But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'

To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways

So we should ignore the science?

I didn't say we should ignore the science. I said you can't have it both ways

I agree

You either follow the science or you dont

And it appears in a lot of cases we dont.

The point is Lionel. On this occasion we followed the science. Those people who scream about following science also scream that we should've locked down sooner.

Well no actually it's not the point.

The point is they continually claim.

We follow the science.

The fact is they dont."

Pretty sure I'm the one making the point. So if I say that's my point then that's my point

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating

But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'

To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways

So we should ignore the science?

I didn't say we should ignore the science. I said you can't have it both ways

I agree

You either follow the science or you dont

And it appears in a lot of cases we dont.

The point is Lionel. On this occasion we followed the science. Those people who scream about following science also scream that we should've locked down sooner.

Well no actually it's not the point.

The point is they continually claim.

We follow the science.

The fact is they dont."

Exactly.

Sage offers advive

The Tory Government choose

to act on it or not

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