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"Do you think it's true eating more veg will save planet? We need cow shit for insects, birds.... And cows don't just provide a meal they also provide leather, so eat Vegi and make more vinyl? Same for sheep, dinner and a jumper lol So are veggies really better? Or just a bigger profit margin? "I like my venison with a side of taters. Pretty much environmentally sound approach.   | |||
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"Do you think it's true eating more veg will save planet? We need cow shit for insects, birds.... And cows don't just provide a meal they also provide leather, so eat Vegi and make more vinyl? Same for sheep, dinner and a jumper lol So are veggies really better? Or just a bigger profit margin?
I like my venison with a side of taters. Pretty much environmentally sound approach.
"Oh I don't think I could ever stop eating meat lol so many sausage jokes! But I'm not convinced fields of crops and no bison is actually eco friendly. | |||
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"Do you think it's true eating more veg will save planet? We need cow shit for insects, birds.... And cows don't just provide a meal they also provide leather, so eat Vegi and make more vinyl? Same for sheep, dinner and a jumper lol So are veggies really better? Or just a bigger profit margin?
I like my venison with a side of taters. Pretty much environmentally sound approach.
Oh I don't think I could ever stop eating meat lol so many sausage jokes! But I'm not convinced fields of crops and no bison is actually eco friendly. "When we have 30 deer per acre in our state it's a tasty choice | |||
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I’m more in favour of a balance of vegetables and meat but more on the veg side 
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"A balenced diet,the problem is to many people on this tiny planet not to many cows" Agree, people eat too much! But isn't the real problem not cattle or meat but people, too many people eating! We're like locusts lol | |||
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"Entomophagy & Garlic Bread It's the Future !!!" Very energy efficient apparently | |||
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"Entomophagy & Garlic Bread It's the Future !!! Very energy efficient apparently " Yup, the flour makes stunning bread | |||
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"Can't say I've ever met a healthy vegetarian. And the unhealthiest people you see are those who work in Holland and Barratt. I reckon we were designed to be omnivores and you can't change biology. " Pretty sure people who work in Holland Barratt are just people doing a job and not there because they're massively dedicated to the products 
Meanwhile there are elite level athletes who are vegetarian and vegan.
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"Can't say I've ever met a healthy vegetarian. And the unhealthiest people you see are those who work in Holland and Barratt. I reckon we were designed to be omnivores and you can't change biology. Pretty sure people who work in Holland Barratt are just people doing a job and not there because they're massively dedicated to the products
Meanwhile there are elite level athletes who are vegetarian and vegan.
0/10 try trolling harder "It’s true, have a look inside one.... And go on then, name me one elite vegan sportsperson in a competitive athletic sport? | |||
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"Can't say I've ever met a healthy vegetarian. And the unhealthiest people you see are those who work in Holland and Barratt. I reckon we were designed to be omnivores and you can't change biology. Pretty sure people who work in Holland Barratt are just people doing a job and not there because they're massively dedicated to the products
Meanwhile there are elite level athletes who are vegetarian and vegan.
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It’s true, have a look inside one....
And go on then, name me one elite vegan sportsperson in a competitive athletic sport? "Vegan sports stars Lewis Hamilton, Formula 1 Racing Driver. ... Serena Williams, Tennis Player. ... Jermain Defoe, Soccer Player. ... Hannah Teter, Olympic Snowboarder. ... Nate Diaz – UFC Fighter. ... Daniel Bryan, WWE Wrestler. Scott Jurek, Ultramarathon Runner. ... Neil Robertson, Snooker Player. Need anymore ? | |||
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"Plenty of sportsmen supplement with meat once in a while don't know which and would they say? And its a fact biggest fittest chimpanzees eat meat. However do we think it's true eating veg only is better for planet or smart marketing? As in profit percentages. "And then there is Bacon. Realistically c'mon it's Bacon it's like a potato it goes with everything. | |||
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"Plenty of sportsmen supplement with meat once in a while don't know which and would they say? And its a fact biggest fittest chimpanzees eat meat. However do we think it's true eating veg only is better for planet or smart marketing? As in profit percentages.
And then there is Bacon. Realistically c'mon it's Bacon it's like a potato it goes with everything. "Americans dont eat Bacon. You eat the Cheap Fatty bit that the rest of The world calls STREAKY Bacon . WTF is all that about . Typical Americans , Always CHEAP ! | |||
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"Can't say I've ever met a healthy vegetarian. And the unhealthiest people you see are those who work in Holland and Barratt. I reckon we were designed to be omnivores and you can't change biology. Pretty sure people who work in Holland Barratt are just people doing a job and not there because they're massively dedicated to the products
Meanwhile there are elite level athletes who are vegetarian and vegan.
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It’s true, have a look inside one....
And go on then, name me one elite vegan sportsperson in a competitive athletic sport?
Vegan sports stars
Lewis Hamilton, Formula 1 Racing Driver. ...
Serena Williams, Tennis Player. ...
Jermain Defoe, Soccer Player. ...
Hannah Teter, Olympic Snowboarder. ...
Nate Diaz – UFC Fighter. ...
Daniel Bryan, WWE Wrestler.
Scott Jurek, Ultramarathon Runner. ...
Neil Robertson, Snooker Player.
Need anymore ?"OK I looked up Defoe because I accept football is athletic, and... He isn't vegan, eats fish several times a week: https://www.dorsetmagazine.co.uk/people/celebrity-interviews/jermain-defoe-on-his-virtually-vegan-diet-the-benefits-of-beetroot-and-living-to-150-1-5355719 Snooker, motor racing, lol, athletic sports I said, you'll be listing darts and shove h'appeny players next. Do I really need to look up your other claims, not a good start when your argument falls apart on the first example? | |||
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"Plenty of sportsmen supplement with meat once in a while don't know which and would they say? And its a fact biggest fittest chimpanzees eat meat. However do we think it's true eating veg only is better for planet or smart marketing? As in profit percentages.
And then there is Bacon. Realistically c'mon it's Bacon it's like a potato it goes with everything.
Americans dont eat Bacon.
You eat the Cheap Fatty bit that the rest of
The world calls STREAKY Bacon .
WTF is all that about .
Typical Americans ,
Always CHEAP !
"Streaky bacon is the proper stuff, its tastes far far better. Dont know why you have to insult our American cousins for their choice, | |||
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"Plenty of sportsmen supplement with meat once in a while don't know which and would they say? And its a fact biggest fittest chimpanzees eat meat. However do we think it's true eating veg only is better for planet or smart marketing? As in profit percentages.
And then there is Bacon. Realistically c'mon it's Bacon it's like a potato it goes with everything.
Americans dont eat Bacon.
You eat the Cheap Fatty bit that the rest of
The world calls STREAKY Bacon .
WTF is all that about .
Typical Americans ,
Always CHEAP !
Streaky bacon is the proper stuff, its tastes far far better.
Dont know why you have to insult our American cousins for their choice, "I wouldn't insult anyone for their choice of food, that's just ridiculous. However, I must disagree about streaky bacon tasting far far better. I just can't have youbspreading false rumours like that | |||
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"Plenty of sportsmen supplement with meat once in a while don't know which and would they say? And its a fact biggest fittest chimpanzees eat meat. However do we think it's true eating veg only is better for planet or smart marketing? As in profit percentages.
And then there is Bacon. Realistically c'mon it's Bacon it's like a potato it goes with everything.
Americans dont eat Bacon.
You eat the Cheap Fatty bit that the rest of
The world calls STREAKY Bacon .
WTF is all that about .
Typical Americans ,
Always CHEAP !
Streaky bacon is the proper stuff, its tastes far far better.
Dont know why you have to insult our American cousins for their choice,
I wouldn't insult anyone for their choice of food, that's just ridiculous.
However, I must disagree about streaky bacon tasting far far better. I just can't have you spreading false rumours like that "Its a disgrace to the meat eaters of this world to claim Streaky is better . | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. " While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
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"The problem isn't about eating meat as such. It's about the quantity and regularity we consume meat and the way we 'produce' meat. Animal farming has turned into a meat industry where livestock is packed in high density in industrial animal farms to satisfy the ever growing demand for cheap meat. Beside the ethical issues and the aspect of animal welfare, the wast numbers of livestock have a variety of impacts on the environment from water, soil and air pollution to massive water and land consumption and includes of shiploads of chemicals and pesticides. You don't have to become a vegetarian or a vegan, if you simply cut down on your meat consumption and only buy meat from sustainable farming, you can make a difference. " Is that true? A cow doesn't just provide meat you can eat it and then make a leather sofa! You eat a lettuce but then have to produce material to cover the sofa... sheep meat and wool. And no animal shit what are the insects going to do, no insects no birds.... Is the Beans are better really the full picture? | |||
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"The problem isn't about eating meat as such. It's about the quantity and regularity we consume meat and the way we 'produce' meat. Animal farming has turned into a meat industry where livestock is packed in high density in industrial animal farms to satisfy the ever growing demand for cheap meat. Beside the ethical issues and the aspect of animal welfare, the wast numbers of livestock have a variety of impacts on the environment from water, soil and air pollution to massive water and land consumption and includes of shiploads of chemicals and pesticides. You don't have to become a vegetarian or a vegan, if you simply cut down on your meat consumption and only buy meat from sustainable farming, you can make a difference. Is that true? A cow doesn't just provide meat you can eat it and then make a leather sofa! You eat a lettuce but then have to produce material to cover the sofa... sheep meat and wool. And no animal shit what are the insects going to do, no insects no birds.... Is the Beans are better really the full picture? "Neatly ignored what I said and nicely twisted. Nowhere did I say no cattle/meat at all. Besides most sofas are made from plant products. | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
"Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan. I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look.... Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here: https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/ As I say, it's impossible. | |||
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"The problem isn't about eating meat as such. It's about the quantity and regularity we consume meat and the way we 'produce' meat. Animal farming has turned into a meat industry where livestock is packed in high density in industrial animal farms to satisfy the ever growing demand for cheap meat. Beside the ethical issues and the aspect of animal welfare, the wast numbers of livestock have a variety of impacts on the environment from water, soil and air pollution to massive water and land consumption and includes of shiploads of chemicals and pesticides. You don't have to become a vegetarian or a vegan, if you simply cut down on your meat consumption and only buy meat from sustainable farming, you can make a difference. " Where do you get your information from on meat production? | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible. "You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you . 1988 failed tests Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay Veganism impossible to win . Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible.
You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you .
1988 failed tests
Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Veganism impossible to win .
Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats
"I'm not getting involved in the Vegan debate. However, to say 'Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to', unless there's any proof of this, I'd steer clear of trying to use it to prove a point. | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible.
You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you .
1988 failed tests
Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Veganism impossible to win .
Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats
I'm not getting involved in the Vegan debate. However, to say 'Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to', unless there's any proof of this, I'd steer clear of trying to use it to prove a point."Indeed, certainly rumours but pretty sure nothing proved, he'd likely have been stripped of medals if that was the case. Based on the woeful inaccuracy of his other posts I can't be bothered to check. I do also know Carl Lewis had terrible arthritis after retiring so veganism didn't even help that. | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible.
You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you .
1988 failed tests
Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Veganism impossible to win .
Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats
I'm not getting involved in the Vegan debate. However, to say 'Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to', unless there's any proof of this, I'd steer clear of trying to use it to prove a point.
Indeed, certainly rumours but pretty sure nothing proved, he'd likely have been stripped of medals if that was the case.
Based on the woeful inaccuracy of his other posts I can't be bothered to check.
I do also know Carl Lewis had terrible arthritis after retiring so veganism didn't even help that. "Nah not really If they did that they would have banned all finalists & We all know that carl & co were American/Nike money machines . It was only when Canadian Ben came along & beat him That any drug testing failings started to surface Funny that eh . Anyway How about the Vegan hit flying through the NBA https://medium.com/basketball-university/veganism-the-nba-s-latest-trend-4ebaa0137d3a | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible.
You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you .
1988 failed tests
Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Veganism impossible to win .
Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats
I'm not getting involved in the Vegan debate. However, to say 'Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to', unless there's any proof of this, I'd steer clear of trying to use it to prove a point."One really should stay out of debates one cant win or isnt qualified to discuss Try reading The Dirtiest Race in History by Richard Moore It will Give you all the details you need to know | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible.
You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you .
1988 failed tests
Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Veganism impossible to win .
Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats
I'm not getting involved in the Vegan debate. However, to say 'Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to', unless there's any proof of this, I'd steer clear of trying to use it to prove a point.
One really should stay out of debates one cant win or isnt qualified to discuss
Try reading The Dirtiest Race in History by Richard Moore
It will Give you all the details you need to know "Based on your lack of credible contributions today you're not really one to lecture others on qualifications | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible.
You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you .
1988 failed tests
Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Veganism impossible to win .
Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats
I'm not getting involved in the Vegan debate. However, to say 'Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to', unless there's any proof of this, I'd steer clear of trying to use it to prove a point.
One really should stay out of debates one cant win or isnt qualified to discuss
Try reading The Dirtiest Race in History by Richard Moore
It will Give you all the details you need to know
Based on your lack of credible contributions today you're not really one to lecture others on qualifications "Lack of credible ? Who is the Hacker News & dave asprey ?
Like comparing A new ferrari with my info &
You sitting against it with a 1950s Lada.
Oh dear to funny
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible.
You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you .
1988 failed tests
Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Veganism impossible to win .
Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats
I'm not getting involved in the Vegan debate. However, to say 'Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to', unless there's any proof of this, I'd steer clear of trying to use it to prove a point.
One really should stay out of debates one cant win or isnt qualified to discuss
Try reading The Dirtiest Race in History by Richard Moore
It will Give you all the details you need to know
Based on your lack of credible contributions today you're not really one to lecture others on qualifications
Lack of credible ?
Who is the Hacker News & dave asprey ?
Like comparing A new ferrari with my info &
You sitting against it with a 1950s Lada.
Oh dear to funny
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"Well Suzy sweetness I've seen how you tuck into sausage at my house on a few occasions so I can only imagine you on the big beasts "i know i can make a sausage go a long way and ill even scoff down your left overs lol Everyone seems to want to fight! veggie better than meat, ill use a cucumber or even a aubergine no problem lol I was trying to ask if the manufacturing and production of veggie meals was of commercial benefit to profit margins and big business was behind the banners..... personally a big banana or a large brat wurst, all good down my hole lol | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible.
You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you .
1988 failed tests
Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Veganism impossible to win .
Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats
I'm not getting involved in the Vegan debate. However, to say 'Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to', unless there's any proof of this, I'd steer clear of trying to use it to prove a point.
One really should stay out of debates one cant win or isnt qualified to discuss
Try reading The Dirtiest Race in History by Richard Moore
It will Give you all the details you need to know
Based on your lack of credible contributions today you're not really one to lecture others on qualifications
Lack of credible ?
Who is the Hacker News & dave asprey ?
Like comparing A new ferrari with my info &
You sitting against it with a 1950s Lada.
Oh dear to funny
I asked for athletic sports... You gave me snooker.... Just lol"I gave you a number of highly succesuul sports people Most of whom you claimed NOT TO KNOW & ignored there achievements , the fact you have googled Robertson The epitome of what a Snooker player wasnt in the 80s or 90s Kind of proves how shallow you have become in this conversation Still not come back against the olympians ( other than drug user lewis ) Or NBA stars like Chris Paul Damian Lillard JaVale McGee Kyrie Irving Personally im a meat eater & love it However the joints are always stiff , the fear of colon cancer is always at the back of the mind as i get older . Maybe a time to look at changing . I hear Stamina & recovery from exertion is one of the major plusses of a vegan diet . Sounds like it can only help especaially in the world of Swinging . | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible.
You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you .
1988 failed tests
Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Veganism impossible to win .
Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats
I'm not getting involved in the Vegan debate. However, to say 'Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to', unless there's any proof of this, I'd steer clear of trying to use it to prove a point.
One really should stay out of debates one cant win or isnt qualified to discuss
Try reading The Dirtiest Race in History by Richard Moore
It will Give you all the details you need to know "The Dirtiest Race in History was about 1988. I didn't try and debate but who said I wasn't qualified? I maintain my position of 'without proof, you have no point' | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible.
You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you .
1988 failed tests
Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Veganism impossible to win .
Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats
I'm not getting involved in the Vegan debate. However, to say 'Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to', unless there's any proof of this, I'd steer clear of trying to use it to prove a point.
One really should stay out of debates one cant win or isnt qualified to discuss
Try reading The Dirtiest Race in History by Richard Moore
It will Give you all the details you need to know
The Dirtiest Race in History was about 1988.
I didn't try and debate but who said I wasn't qualified?
I maintain my position of 'without proof, you have no point'"That was the beginning of the end . It was well known that epo was rampant but tests did not Show , blood tests taken at the time were again tested Later & cheating was prevelant . This article shows how much was known , What was done to protect the olympics & American sport for its actions. https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1043423/former-iaaf-vice-president-claims-positive-drugs-tests-capped-at-12-during-los-angeles-1984 A former International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) vice-president has alleged that the number of positive drugs tests at the Los Angeles 1984 Olympics was "capped" at 12 despite a higher number of failures. According to Ollan Cassell, a member of the American gold medal winning 4x400 metres relay team at Tokyo 1964 who later served 23 years at the world athletics body, the decision formed part of a pact between then IAAF head Primo Nebiolo and former International Olympic Committee (IOC) President, Juan Antonio Samaranch. This decision was reportedly taken in order to give the impression they were taking a strong anti-doping stance while avoiding too big of a scandal. Cassell told the Japan Times that he had been warned by Nebiolo "about the decision he and Samaranch had made about capping the number of positive [drug] tests in LA at a dozen". He added: "He said they had done it 'to protect the Olympics and the USA’ so there would be no scandal." This account fits with previous allegations about the covering-up of failed drug tests at Los Angeles 1984. Arnold Beckett, a former member of the IOC Medical Commission, told the BBC that someone had broken into the hotel of Commission chair Prince Alexandre de Merode and shredded the documents Similar allegations have also been made by officials working within the UCLA facility where drug testing took place. Craig Krammerer, one laboratory official, told the Los Angeles Times that five of the nine allegedly covered-up failures were for anabolic steroids, with the remainder for either testosterone or ephedrine. De Merode, who had reportedly refused to go along with the plan, admitted samples had been destroyed, but claimed this was due to accidental haste by organisers rather than deliberate wrongdoing. Nebiolo died while still in office in 1999. Samaranch passed away in 2010 - nine years after Jacques Rogge had replaced him as IOC President. In total, 1,502 athletes were tested at the Los Angeles Games. Twelve positives were reported across the sports of athletics, volleyball, weightlifting and wrestling. This included two silver medal winners in Swedish wrestler Tomas Johansson and Finnish 10,000 metres runner Martti Vainio. Others have subsequently admitted to blood doping during the Games, although this was not made illegal until 1985. Cassell also praised the IAAF for their response to recent Russian doping scandals, which also involves allegations that samples have been tampered with. They "moved in the strongest direction toward Rio" by suspending the All-Russia Athletic Federation, he told the Japan Times, before criticising the IOC for not taking a similar stance. "And I think the IOC’s the one that came out looking the weakest on drugs by not taking a firmer stance against the Russians," he said. "And so I think it seems to me like the IAAF is going to be the one that’s going to have to sort of lead this movement of stronger drug testing and make sure that clean athletes are the ones that are participating in international competitions." ************ Still you'll probably come up with some excuse to not Accept it . | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible.
You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you .
1988 failed tests
Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Veganism impossible to win .
Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats
I'm not getting involved in the Vegan debate. However, to say 'Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to', unless there's any proof of this, I'd steer clear of trying to use it to prove a point.
One really should stay out of debates one cant win or isnt qualified to discuss
Try reading The Dirtiest Race in History by Richard Moore
It will Give you all the details you need to know
The Dirtiest Race in History was about 1988.
I didn't try and debate but who said I wasn't qualified?
I maintain my position of 'without proof, you have no point'
That was the beginning of the end .
It was well known that epo was rampant but tests did not
Show , blood tests taken at the time were again tested
Later & cheating was prevelant .
This article shows how much was known ,
What was done to protect the olympics &
American sport for its actions.
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1043423/former-iaaf-vice-president-claims-positive-drugs-tests-capped-at-12-during-los-angeles-1984
A former International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) vice-president has alleged that the number of positive drugs tests at the Los Angeles 1984 Olympics was "capped" at 12 despite a higher number of failures.
According to Ollan Cassell, a member of the American gold medal winning 4x400 metres relay team at Tokyo 1964 who later served 23 years at the world athletics body, the decision formed part of a pact between then IAAF head Primo Nebiolo and former International Olympic Committee (IOC) President, Juan Antonio Samaranch.
This decision was reportedly taken in order to give the impression they were taking a strong anti-doping stance while avoiding too big of a scandal.
Cassell told the Japan Times that he had been warned by Nebiolo "about the decision he and Samaranch had made about capping the number of positive [drug] tests in LA at a dozen".
He added: "He said they had done it 'to protect the Olympics and the USA’ so there would be no scandal."
This account fits with previous allegations about the covering-up of failed drug tests at Los Angeles 1984.
Arnold Beckett, a former member of the IOC Medical Commission, told the BBC that someone had broken into the hotel of Commission chair Prince Alexandre de Merode and shredded the documents
Similar allegations have also been made by officials working within the UCLA facility where drug testing took place.
Craig Krammerer, one laboratory official, told the Los Angeles Times that five of the nine allegedly covered-up failures were for anabolic steroids, with the remainder for either testosterone or ephedrine.
De Merode, who had reportedly refused to go along with the plan, admitted samples had been destroyed, but claimed this was due to accidental haste by organisers rather than deliberate wrongdoing.
Nebiolo died while still in office in 1999.
Samaranch passed away in 2010 - nine years after Jacques Rogge had replaced him as IOC President.
In total, 1,502 athletes were tested at the Los Angeles Games.
Twelve positives were reported across the sports of athletics, volleyball, weightlifting and wrestling.
This included two silver medal winners in Swedish wrestler Tomas Johansson and Finnish 10,000 metres runner Martti Vainio.
Others have subsequently admitted to blood doping during the Games, although this was not made illegal until 1985.
Cassell also praised the IAAF for their response to recent Russian doping scandals, which also involves allegations that samples have been tampered with.
They "moved in the strongest direction toward Rio" by suspending the All-Russia Athletic Federation, he told the Japan Times, before criticising the IOC for not taking a similar stance.
"And I think the IOC’s the one that came out looking the weakest on drugs by not taking a firmer stance against the Russians," he said.
"And so I think it seems to me like the IAAF is going to be the one that’s going to have to sort of lead this movement of stronger drug testing and make sure that clean athletes are the ones that are participating in international competitions."
************
Still you'll probably come up with some excuse to not
Accept it .
"What is there to accept? A load of allegations? I maintain my stance, without proof there is no conviction. | |||
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible.
You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you .
1988 failed tests
Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Veganism impossible to win .
Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats
I'm not getting involved in the Vegan debate. However, to say 'Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to', unless there's any proof of this, I'd steer clear of trying to use it to prove a point.
One really should stay out of debates one cant win or isnt qualified to discuss
Try reading The Dirtiest Race in History by Richard Moore
It will Give you all the details you need to know
The Dirtiest Race in History was about 1988.
I didn't try and debate but who said I wasn't qualified?
I maintain my position of 'without proof, you have no point'
That was the beginning of the end .
It was well known that epo was rampant but tests did not
Show , blood tests taken at the time were again tested
Later & cheating was prevelant .
This article shows how much was known ,
What was done to protect the olympics &
American sport for its actions.
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1043423/former-iaaf-vice-president-claims-positive-drugs-tests-capped-at-12-during-los-angeles-1984
A former International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) vice-president has alleged that the number of positive drugs tests at the Los Angeles 1984 Olympics was "capped" at 12 despite a higher number of failures.
According to Ollan Cassell, a member of the American gold medal winning 4x400 metres relay team at Tokyo 1964 who later served 23 years at the world athletics body, the decision formed part of a pact between then IAAF head Primo Nebiolo and former International Olympic Committee (IOC) President, Juan Antonio Samaranch.
This decision was reportedly taken in order to give the impression they were taking a strong anti-doping stance while avoiding too big of a scandal.
Cassell told the Japan Times that he had been warned by Nebiolo "about the decision he and Samaranch had made about capping the number of positive [drug] tests in LA at a dozen".
He added: "He said they had done it 'to protect the Olympics and the USA’ so there would be no scandal."
This account fits with previous allegations about the covering-up of failed drug tests at Los Angeles 1984.
Arnold Beckett, a former member of the IOC Medical Commission, told the BBC that someone had broken into the hotel of Commission chair Prince Alexandre de Merode and shredded the documents
Similar allegations have also been made by officials working within the UCLA facility where drug testing took place.
Craig Krammerer, one laboratory official, told the Los Angeles Times that five of the nine allegedly covered-up failures were for anabolic steroids, with the remainder for either testosterone or ephedrine.
De Merode, who had reportedly refused to go along with the plan, admitted samples had been destroyed, but claimed this was due to accidental haste by organisers rather than deliberate wrongdoing.
Nebiolo died while still in office in 1999.
Samaranch passed away in 2010 - nine years after Jacques Rogge had replaced him as IOC President.
In total, 1,502 athletes were tested at the Los Angeles Games.
Twelve positives were reported across the sports of athletics, volleyball, weightlifting and wrestling.
This included two silver medal winners in Swedish wrestler Tomas Johansson and Finnish 10,000 metres runner Martti Vainio.
Others have subsequently admitted to blood doping during the Games, although this was not made illegal until 1985.
Cassell also praised the IAAF for their response to recent Russian doping scandals, which also involves allegations that samples have been tampered with.
They "moved in the strongest direction toward Rio" by suspending the All-Russia Athletic Federation, he told the Japan Times, before criticising the IOC for not taking a similar stance.
"And I think the IOC’s the one that came out looking the weakest on drugs by not taking a firmer stance against the Russians," he said.
"And so I think it seems to me like the IAAF is going to be the one that’s going to have to sort of lead this movement of stronger drug testing and make sure that clean athletes are the ones that are participating in international competitions."
************
Still you'll probably come up with some excuse to not
Accept it .
What is there to accept? A load of allegations?
I maintain my stance, without proof there is no conviction. "I thought that might not be enough
More for you including Lewis saying the turned a
blind eye to my 3 failed tests
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/sports/olympics/lest-we-forget-the-us-too-spent-time-in-the-doping-wilderness.amp.html
RIO DE JANEIRO — Early in 1987, Kerry Lynch, a bright hope of the American ski team for an Olympic medal, boarded a plane for Germany.
There, he met an American doctor who performed a transfusion that packed his blood with red blood cells, an elixir for endurance athletes. A few days later, at the 1987 world championships, he finished second in the Nordic combined, a grueling two-day event that featured 70-meter ski jumping and 15-kilometer cross-country skiing.
It was the best performance ever by an American in that event.
The plot came undone, Lynch confessed, and it turned out that Jim Page, director of the United States Nordic program, had given his blessing to the doping. The International Ski Federation booted Page for life. The United States Olympic Committee was far gentler. Page remained and became its managing director of sports performance.
For much of the 1980s and 1990s, the United States had a pervasive doping problem in Olympic sports that was enabled by the U.S.O.C. Test results disappeared, doped-up athletes ran and jumped and swam their way to medals, and complicit coaches prospered. Our Olympic leaders and corporate sponsors and many of us in the news media placed hands over eyes and blocked ears at talk of American doping.
I page through this history not by way of offering a backdoor defense of Russia. Two exhaustive reports establish that the Russian government engaged in state-sponsored doping, and that is a blot on world sport. More athletes now are speaking out on doping, and the timidity of the International Olympic Committee in punishing the Russians dishonors their efforts.
But as we rage and stomp about Russia’s state-sponsored doping, we might recall those decades when doping was a slice of American pie.
Ours had no state-run labs creating Frankenstein drugs and athletes, nor did government officials play a role. But we had much malfeasance, from Lance Armstrong and his United States Postal Service team to Carl Lewis, who dominated several Olympics and was the greatest American track athlete of his time.
In 2003, Lewis admitted that he had failed three tests for stimulants in 1988 and that Olympic executives had looked the other way. In fairness, Lewis tested positive for a small amount of stimulants, which, he said, came contained in a cold medication. Perhaps this is so. His statement, however, spoke to a culture of complicity.
“There were hundreds of people getting off,” he said in 2003. “Everyone was treated the same.”
A few examples:
Dr. Wade Exum, the U.S.O.C.’s antidoping director, claimed in a lawsuit filed early in the last decade that the committee’s lust for medals had helped it overcome moral good sense. His lawsuit was dismissed, but he gave documents to Sports Illustrated that showed that American Olympic officials had covered up more than 100 tests from 1988 to 2000.
The Orange County Register revealed some years back that at least 34 American track and field athletes had tested positive before the Los Angeles Olympics in 1984 and had most likely gone on to compete and win medals.
The next Summer Olympics was in Seoul in 1988. Pat Connelly, a prominent track coach, later testified in Congress that as many as 20 American female athletes had “probably” used anabolic steroids in preparation for those Games. Evelyn Ashford, a top American sprinter, testified that she knew of two female American gold medalists who had used steroids, although she declined to identify them.On and on it goes. It is striking how many of the best track performances from that time still stand as world records. Doping tolerance suffused our culture: American baseball rode the broad backs and home-run swings of the steroid-enhanced in the 1990s with the knowledge of its leaders and team owners; the N.F.L., per usual, was an anything-goes zone.
I called up Max Cobb, president of U.S. Biathlon, who is a courageous crusader for clean sport. He looks back at that time with a grimace. “In the 1970s and the 1980s, it was the wild, wild West out there,” he said.
Russia’s defenders might clap at this as hypocrisy exposed. Let’s pause before tumbling down that rabbit hole. I’m not inclined to shrug off conclusive evidence that Russia, with the helping hands of its state security service, has overseen systematic doping. Those athletes who wished to remain clean found that their access to the best coaches and to the most competitive meets had disappeared.
Late last year, the recently defrocked chief of Russia’s antidoping agency wrote an email to a British reporter, saying he wanted to write a tell-all book about sports doping in Russia and the country’s secret laboratory. Two months later, this 52-year-old man went out to do some cross-country skiing and died. “It was,” the Russian minister of sport noted, “a very unexpected death.”
About the same time, another general director of the antidoping agency also died unexpectedly. Tell-all book deals, not to mention knowledge of the inner workings of Russian sports, appear to be bad for your health.
Thomas Bach, the pliable chief of the I.O.C., has made it clear this week that the idea of barring Russia from the Rio Olympics fills him with horror. To levy such a punishment, he said, would result “in death and devastation.”
I have no idea what interior horror movie Bach was living through when he uttered those words. If we’ve learned anything from America’s experience with decades of athletic doping, and its efforts to clean up that culture, it’s that the unyielding effort by antidoping agencies carries its own reward. The United States Anti-Doping Agency now aggressively pursues dopers and bars their coaches.
I am not a fan of lifetime bans; I dislike playing grand executioner. But Justin Gatlin, the best of the great American dash men, offers a case study in the new approach to dopers. He was booted for four years in 2006 after testing positive for testosterone.
His punishment resulted in humiliation and lost earnings that ran into millions. That strikes me as suitably tough, in that it allowed him a second chance. This, however, has not pleased the Madame Defarges in the press corps, who adore denouncing Gatlin.
“The expectation in the United States now is that you will be tested and there will be no shortcuts,” Cobb said. “We have really narrowed the advantage that can be obtained through doping.”
A modest-sounding coda, perhaps. But after decades in the wilderness, an expectation has been set, a standard established.
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"No idea who she is, but surely your third example, Hannah Teter, is actually vegan? Oopsadaisy, nope, she flip flops between vegan and vegetarian and even that was only after her Olympic gold, she was a full on meat eater before and during the Olympics: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elite-athletes-who-are-vegan-and-what-made-them-switch-their-diet-2017-10%3famp Think I've proved my point? You can't be a successful athlete if you are vegan. It's not how our body is designed. While competing & training theywere vegan
Some more for you
Meagan Duhamel
Carl Lewis
Kendrick Farris
Murray Rose
https://www.peta.org/blog/6-olympic-champions-probably-no-clue-vegan/
Ive given you the links that prove none of them were vegan.
I've heard of Carl Lewis, no idea who the others are, so let's have a look....
Oh dear he wasn't vegan either when he won four gold medals in 1984. He had a successful 1990 after turning vegan but then declined rapidly, interesting analysis here:
https://daveasprey.com/carl-lewis-vegan/
As I say, it's impossible.
You do know Carl Lewis has come clean about his drug taking dont you .
1988 failed tests
Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to
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Veganism impossible to win .
Nah because there are still far to many drug cheats
I'm not getting involved in the Vegan debate. However, to say 'Everyone knows he was taking them in 1984 to', unless there's any proof of this, I'd steer clear of trying to use it to prove a point.
One really should stay out of debates one cant win or isnt qualified to discuss
Try reading The Dirtiest Race in History by Richard Moore
It will Give you all the details you need to know
The Dirtiest Race in History was about 1988.
I didn't try and debate but who said I wasn't qualified?
I maintain my position of 'without proof, you have no point'
That was the beginning of the end .
It was well known that epo was rampant but tests did not
Show , blood tests taken at the time were again tested
Later & cheating was prevelant .
This article shows how much was known ,
What was done to protect the olympics &
American sport for its actions.
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1043423/former-iaaf-vice-president-claims-positive-drugs-tests-capped-at-12-during-los-angeles-1984
A former International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) vice-president has alleged that the number of positive drugs tests at the Los Angeles 1984 Olympics was "capped" at 12 despite a higher number of failures.
According to Ollan Cassell, a member of the American gold medal winning 4x400 metres relay team at Tokyo 1964 who later served 23 years at the world athletics body, the decision formed part of a pact between then IAAF head Primo Nebiolo and former International Olympic Committee (IOC) President, Juan Antonio Samaranch.
This decision was reportedly taken in order to give the impression they were taking a strong anti-doping stance while avoiding too big of a scandal.
Cassell told the Japan Times that he had been warned by Nebiolo "about the decision he and Samaranch had made about capping the number of positive [drug] tests in LA at a dozen".
He added: "He said they had done it 'to protect the Olympics and the USA’ so there would be no scandal."
This account fits with previous allegations about the covering-up of failed drug tests at Los Angeles 1984.
Arnold Beckett, a former member of the IOC Medical Commission, told the BBC that someone had broken into the hotel of Commission chair Prince Alexandre de Merode and shredded the documents
Similar allegations have also been made by officials working within the UCLA facility where drug testing took place.
Craig Krammerer, one laboratory official, told the Los Angeles Times that five of the nine allegedly covered-up failures were for anabolic steroids, with the remainder for either testosterone or ephedrine.
De Merode, who had reportedly refused to go along with the plan, admitted samples had been destroyed, but claimed this was due to accidental haste by organisers rather than deliberate wrongdoing.
Nebiolo died while still in office in 1999.
Samaranch passed away in 2010 - nine years after Jacques Rogge had replaced him as IOC President.
In total, 1,502 athletes were tested at the Los Angeles Games.
Twelve positives were reported across the sports of athletics, volleyball, weightlifting and wrestling.
This included two silver medal winners in Swedish wrestler Tomas Johansson and Finnish 10,000 metres runner Martti Vainio.
Others have subsequently admitted to blood doping during the Games, although this was not made illegal until 1985.
Cassell also praised the IAAF for their response to recent Russian doping scandals, which also involves allegations that samples have been tampered with.
They "moved in the strongest direction toward Rio" by suspending the All-Russia Athletic Federation, he told the Japan Times, before criticising the IOC for not taking a similar stance.
"And I think the IOC’s the one that came out looking the weakest on drugs by not taking a firmer stance against the Russians," he said.
"And so I think it seems to me like the IAAF is going to be the one that’s going to have to sort of lead this movement of stronger drug testing and make sure that clean athletes are the ones that are participating in international competitions."
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Still you'll probably come up with some excuse to not
Accept it .
What is there to accept? A load of allegations?
I maintain my stance, without proof there is no conviction.
I thought that might not be enough
More for you including Lewis saying the turned a
blind eye to my 3 failed tests
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RIO DE JANEIRO — Early in 1987, Kerry Lynch, a bright hope of the American ski team for an Olympic medal, boarded a plane for Germany.
There, he met an American doctor who performed a transfusion that packed his blood with red blood cells, an elixir for endurance athletes. A few days later, at the 1987 world championships, he finished second in the Nordic combined, a grueling two-day event that featured 70-meter ski jumping and 15-kilometer cross-country skiing.
It was the best performance ever by an American in that event.
The plot came undone, Lynch confessed, and it turned out that Jim Page, director of the United States Nordic program, had given his blessing to the doping. The International Ski Federation booted Page for life. The United States Olympic Committee was far gentler. Page remained and became its managing director of sports performance.
For much of the 1980s and 1990s, the United States had a pervasive doping problem in Olympic sports that was enabled by the U.S.O.C. Test results disappeared, doped-up athletes ran and jumped and swam their way to medals, and complicit coaches prospered. Our Olympic leaders and corporate sponsors and many of us in the news media placed hands over eyes and blocked ears at talk of American doping.
I page through this history not by way of offering a backdoor defense of Russia. Two exhaustive reports establish that the Russian government engaged in state-sponsored doping, and that is a blot on world sport. More athletes now are speaking out on doping, and the timidity of the International Olympic Committee in punishing the Russians dishonors their efforts.
But as we rage and stomp about Russia’s state-sponsored doping, we might recall those decades when doping was a slice of American pie.
Ours had no state-run labs creating Frankenstein drugs and athletes, nor did government officials play a role. But we had much malfeasance, from Lance Armstrong and his United States Postal Service team to Carl Lewis, who dominated several Olympics and was the greatest American track athlete of his time.
In 2003, Lewis admitted that he had failed three tests for stimulants in 1988 and that Olympic executives had looked the other way. In fairness, Lewis tested positive for a small amount of stimulants, which, he said, came contained in a cold medication. Perhaps this is so. His statement, however, spoke to a culture of complicity.
“There were hundreds of people getting off,” he said in 2003. “Everyone was treated the same.”
A few examples:
Dr. Wade Exum, the U.S.O.C.’s antidoping director, claimed in a lawsuit filed early in the last decade that the committee’s lust for medals had helped it overcome moral good sense. His lawsuit was dismissed, but he gave documents to Sports Illustrated that showed that American Olympic officials had covered up more than 100 tests from 1988 to 2000.
The Orange County Register revealed some years back that at least 34 American track and field athletes had tested positive before the Los Angeles Olympics in 1984 and had most likely gone on to compete and win medals.
The next Summer Olympics was in Seoul in 1988. Pat Connelly, a prominent track coach, later testified in Congress that as many as 20 American female athletes had “probably” used anabolic steroids in preparation for those Games. Evelyn Ashford, a top American sprinter, testified that she knew of two female American gold medalists who had used steroids, although she declined to identify them.On and on it goes. It is striking how many of the best track performances from that time still stand as world records. Doping tolerance suffused our culture: American baseball rode the broad backs and home-run swings of the steroid-enhanced in the 1990s with the knowledge of its leaders and team owners; the N.F.L., per usual, was an anything-goes zone.
I called up Max Cobb, president of U.S. Biathlon, who is a courageous crusader for clean sport. He looks back at that time with a grimace. “In the 1970s and the 1980s, it was the wild, wild West out there,” he said.
Russia’s defenders might clap at this as hypocrisy exposed. Let’s pause before tumbling down that rabbit hole. I’m not inclined to shrug off conclusive evidence that Russia, with the helping hands of its state security service, has overseen systematic doping. Those athletes who wished to remain clean found that their access to the best coaches and to the most competitive meets had disappeared.
Late last year, the recently defrocked chief of Russia’s antidoping agency wrote an email to a British reporter, saying he wanted to write a tell-all book about sports doping in Russia and the country’s secret laboratory. Two months later, this 52-year-old man went out to do some cross-country skiing and died. “It was,” the Russian minister of sport noted, “a very unexpected death.”
About the same time, another general director of the antidoping agency also died unexpectedly. Tell-all book deals, not to mention knowledge of the inner workings of Russian sports, appear to be bad for your health.
Thomas Bach, the pliable chief of the I.O.C., has made it clear this week that the idea of barring Russia from the Rio Olympics fills him with horror. To levy such a punishment, he said, would result “in death and devastation.”
I have no idea what interior horror movie Bach was living through when he uttered those words. If we’ve learned anything from America’s experience with decades of athletic doping, and its efforts to clean up that culture, it’s that the unyielding effort by antidoping agencies carries its own reward. The United States Anti-Doping Agency now aggressively pursues dopers and bars their coaches.
I am not a fan of lifetime bans; I dislike playing grand executioner. But Justin Gatlin, the best of the great American dash men, offers a case study in the new approach to dopers. He was booted for four years in 2006 after testing positive for testosterone.
His punishment resulted in humiliation and lost earnings that ran into millions. That strikes me as suitably tough, in that it allowed him a second chance. This, however, has not pleased the Madame Defarges in the press corps, who adore denouncing Gatlin.
“The expectation in the United States now is that you will be tested and there will be no shortcuts,” Cobb said. “We have really narrowed the advantage that can be obtained through doping.”
A modest-sounding coda, perhaps. But after decades in the wilderness, an expectation has been set, a standard established.
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"Plenty of sportsmen supplement with meat once in a while don't know which and would they say? And its a fact biggest fittest chimpanzees eat meat. However do we think it's true eating veg only is better for planet or smart marketing? As in profit percentages.
And then there is Bacon. Realistically c'mon it's Bacon it's like a potato it goes with everything. "i always have veg with my bacon that’s if mushrooms and onions count ? | |||
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2 stomachs
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Methane bad
Eat more venison less methane venison good Less fat too i love it.
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2 stomachs
More methane
Methane bad
Eat more venison less methane venison good Less fat too i love it.
Less carbon footprint too. we harvest 4 a year. Not much beef only when we go out to eat. Guess we saving the planet. nothing compares to pig tho I’d take a pork chop over a steak anyday lol "Wild boar over spitroast.i feel you | |||
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2 stomachs
More methane
Methane bad
Eat more venison less methane venison good Less fat too i love it.
Less carbon footprint too. we harvest 4 a year. Not much beef only when we go out to eat. Guess we saving the planet. nothing compares to pig tho I’d take a pork chop over a steak anyday lol "There we have to disagree. | |||
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2 stomachs
More methane
Methane bad
Eat more venison less methane venison good Less fat too i love it.
Less carbon footprint too. we harvest 4 a year. Not much beef only when we go out to eat. Guess we saving the planet. nothing compares to pig tho I’d take a pork chop over a steak anyday lol There we have to disagree. "Insects Far more nutritious , much more efficient | |||
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2 stomachs
More methane
Methane bad
Eat more venison less methane venison good Less fat too i love it.
Less carbon footprint too. we harvest 4 a year. Not much beef only when we go out to eat. Guess we saving the planet. nothing compares to pig tho I’d take a pork chop over a steak anyday lol There we have to disagree. "me wife does that all the time lol | |||
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2 stomachs
More methane
Methane bad
Eat more venison less methane venison good Less fat too i love it.
Less carbon footprint too. we harvest 4 a year. Not much beef only when we go out to eat. Guess we saving the planet. nothing compares to pig tho I’d take a pork chop over a steak anyday lol There we have to disagree.
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2 stomachs
More methane
Methane bad
Eat more venison less methane venison good Less fat too i love it.
Less carbon footprint too. we harvest 4 a year. Not much beef only when we go out to eat. Guess we saving the planet. nothing compares to pig tho I’d take a pork chop over a steak anyday lol There we have to disagree.
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Yes I can see you doing that a bowl of beetles in the morning."even worse if they where on the radio same time can’t stand them | |||
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Eat more venison less methane venison good "Disgusting taste veniso Id rather lick a camels arse ! | |||
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2 stomachs
More methane
Methane bad
Eat more venison less methane venison good Less fat too i love it.
Less carbon footprint too. we harvest 4 a year. Not much beef only when we go out to eat. Guess we saving the planet. nothing compares to pig tho I’d take a pork chop over a steak anyday lol There we have to disagree.
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Far more nutritious , much more efficient
Yes I can see you doing that a bowl of beetles in the morning.even worse if they where on the radio same time can’t stand them "I don't like that type of beetle either | |||
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2 stomachs
More methane
Methane bad
Eat more venison less methane venison good Less fat too i love it.
Less carbon footprint too. we harvest 4 a year. Not much beef only when we go out to eat. Guess we saving the planet. nothing compares to pig tho I’d take a pork chop over a steak anyday lol There we have to disagree.
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Yes I can see you doing that a bowl of beetles in the morning."Millworms , locusts , plenty of others No beatles though . | |||
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2 stomachs
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2 stomachs
More methane
Methane bad
Eat more venison less methane venison good
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2 stomachs
More methane
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2 stomachs
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Methane bad
2 stomachs Really ?
Yes i have 2 stomachs
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"There is no doubt in my mind that a veggie diet is much better for the environment. I'm also probably 60/40 sure that it's better for me too. Unfortunately I already know what ribeye steak, shoulder of lamb, and smoked streaky bacon taste like. So while I am genuinely making an effort to reduce the amount of meat I eat, I won't be stopping any time soon. Fabs needs a bacon sandwich emoji "Nah.itll just have people thinking you are calling them gammons | |||
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2 stomachs
More methane
Methane bad
2 stomachs Really ?
Yes i have 2 stomachs
Medical emergency as a child
YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT ?
Highly unlikely you do and and cows certainly dont
Can you translate that into a structured sentence please
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More methane
Methane bad
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" Oh dear two "ands" just to be clear for you then . Its is highly unlikely you have two stomachs and cows most certainly dont have two. Is that clear enough ? Highly unlikely or not I think i know my medical history a damn site better Than you do , now if you want to carry on the discussion Please do , otherwise F*ck off with your all seeing all knowing eye !" So you are still saying cows and you have two stomachs ? | |||
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2 stomachs
More methane
Methane bad
Eat more venison less methane venison good
Yeah I'm sure nature had it sorted, more calories in one deer than several fields of corn, which needs a tractor and processing.
You forgot the lead bullet.idk exactly how much global warming that causes. "can we have some of that warming in the northeast pls it’s fucking Baltic atm | |||
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" Oh dear two "ands" just to be clear for you then . Its is highly unlikely you have two stomachs and cows most certainly dont have two. Is that clear enough ? Highly unlikely or not I think i know my medical history a damn site better Than you do , now if you want to carry on the discussion Please do , otherwise F*ck off with your all seeing all knowing eye ! So you are still saying cows and you have two stomachs ? " Nope I have 2 stomachs Medical emergency as a child More Methane Methane bad | |||
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"Adopting a plant based diet is the most effective and easiest thing you can do to help the environment. Animal agriculture is the most destructive thing we do as human. You cannot deny the facts. What facts? How are they compiled? Meals per cows vs meals per field?! Calories per field vs cow? How you decide to measure makes a difference, Cocks can grow and shrink depending how you measure!
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Eat more venison less methane venison good
Yeah I'm sure nature had it sorted, more calories in one deer than several fields of corn, which needs a tractor and processing.
You forgot the lead bullet.idk exactly how much global warming that causes. can we have some of that warming in the northeast pls it’s fucking Baltic atm"No water shortage either. | |||
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" Oh dear two "ands" just to be clear for you then . Its is highly unlikely you have two stomachs and cows most certainly dont have two. Is that clear enough ? Highly unlikely or not I think i know my medical history a damn site better Than you do , now if you want to carry on the discussion Please do , otherwise F*ck off with your all seeing all knowing eye ! So you are still saying cows and you have two stomachs ? Nope I have 2 stomachs Medical emergency as a child More Methane Methane bad " There see it wasnt so hard to admit you were wrong about cows. | |||
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" Oh dear two "ands" just to be clear for you then . Its is highly unlikely you have two stomachs and cows most certainly dont have two. Is that clear enough ? Highly unlikely or not I think i know my medical history a damn site better Than you do , now if you want to carry on the discussion Please do , otherwise F*ck off with your all seeing all knowing eye ! So you are still saying cows and you have two stomachs ? Nope I have 2 stomachs Medical emergency as a child More Methane Methane bad There see it wasnt so hard to admit you were wrong about cows." How was i wrong about cows ? Bullet entered the womb Through my stomach out & into My twins head . 1 life lost from 3, very nearly 2 . Twins stomach grafted onto my damaged Stomach . 10 operations in the 1st 6 years of life . Do you really feel you want to carry this on ? | |||
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